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"Better Call Saul: Season 6"


  

          

hot out the gate... damn!

speak on it

  

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OH SHIT! THEY’RE BACK!!! BEST RETURN EVER!!
Apr 19th 2022
1
Yes they are.
Apr 19th 2022
2
Something I didn't understand from the first episode
Apr 19th 2022
3
RE: Something I didn't understand from the first episode
Apr 19th 2022
5
The guy kinda looked like him.
Apr 19th 2022
6
      thanks.that makes more sense
Apr 19th 2022
7
      Thanks.
Apr 19th 2022
8
i think this is the first time i watch the series live
Apr 19th 2022
4
That closing scene with...
Apr 19th 2022
9
this has been Breakng bad for Kim
Apr 19th 2022
10
That seems like a reach ?
Apr 20th 2022
13
      This was my interpretation.
Apr 20th 2022
14
      I think all I meant...
Apr 20th 2022
16
           Haha word - I wouldn't be surprised (and would be psyched !) if they exp...
Apr 20th 2022
17
                Yeah, I'm entirely speculating.
Apr 20th 2022
20
                i didn't interpret it as about her either, but they def could be dead on
Apr 20th 2022
21
I hate that Nacho is screwed
Apr 19th 2022
11
If I'm not mistaken
Apr 21st 2022
31
      He did. I don't think either's fate is inevitable.
Apr 21st 2022
32
           If that is all true
Apr 21st 2022
35
Kim is ruthless when it comes to justice and the goodwill
Apr 20th 2022
12
Most of Jimmy's con targets are trash, not the "honest man"
Apr 20th 2022
15
      he does call back the wolves and sheep line
Apr 20th 2022
18
      Absolutely right.
Apr 20th 2022
19
      I think they've shown a sequence of transitions for Jimmy.
Apr 20th 2022
22
           We've never seen that from Slippn' Jimmy though.
Apr 20th 2022
23
                I was thinking of the bar guys, and the "Kevin Costner" women.
Apr 20th 2022
24
                Yea I think this is it.
Apr 20th 2022
26
      Why do you think Kim asked to come along with him
Apr 20th 2022
30
           Kim's pro-bono = Walt's I'm doing it all for my family
Apr 21st 2022
33
                I think she comes alive with pro bono work too.
Apr 21st 2022
34
                     Slight nitpick: I think it's a different thrill.
Apr 21st 2022
36
                          LOL - very well stated, I agree.
Apr 21st 2022
37
                          right. plus i think she can use one to justify the other
Apr 21st 2022
39
This serves as the unfortunate reminder
Apr 20th 2022
25
Better than waiting another year a la Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, e...
Apr 20th 2022
27
I like it in a way
Apr 20th 2022
28
      Yea by all accounts it's a short break.
Apr 20th 2022
29
           These episodes started in early Spring.
Apr 21st 2022
38
Can someone explain the whole safe situation to me ?
Apr 22nd 2022
40
Gus doesn't care to protect Nacho. Mike wants to protect him.
Apr 22nd 2022
41
weren't they the same ID's?
Apr 22nd 2022
42
      I just watched it again. You're right.
Apr 22nd 2022
44
           Thanks y'all. Then obviously they replaced the safe so no one would noti...
Apr 22nd 2022
45
They did it to set up Nacho, to lead the cartel to him,
Apr 23rd 2022
53
saw someone point out that Lalo calling the old folks home
Apr 22nd 2022
43
The attention to detail in this show smh.
Apr 22nd 2022
46
Oh shit I hadn't realized that.
Apr 22nd 2022
47
This might be nitpicking
Apr 22nd 2022
48
I just found the scene (Ep. 1, 50:00)
Apr 22nd 2022
49
RE: I just found the scene (Ep. 1, 50:00)
Apr 22nd 2022
51
ah.. thanks for clarifying.
Apr 22nd 2022
52
This.
Apr 23rd 2022
55
That’s very realistic, actually
Apr 23rd 2022
54
RE: saw someone point out that Lalo calling the old folks home
Apr 22nd 2022
50
Super obvious reference...
Apr 23rd 2022
56
Ahhh very good !
Apr 25th 2022
57
shit was that a rosebud???
May 16th 2022
143
      The first time Jimmy & Kim scammed anybody...
May 19th 2022
185
Hey, you fucking pricks, hurry the fuck up and watch this piece of shit
Apr 25th 2022
58
LOL
Apr 25th 2022
60
      TOO SOON, FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING @&$%#*!??!!!!!!!!!!!
Apr 25th 2022
61
Yo... Hurry. The. Fuck. Up
Apr 25th 2022
59
SPOILERS
Apr 25th 2022
62
Gracias
Apr 25th 2022
63
Also, this was the right choice
Apr 25th 2022
64
Naw. It doesn’t fly, especially with how easily he busted out
Apr 25th 2022
66
Agreed
Apr 26th 2022
68
This is the important part:
Apr 26th 2022
69
Pretty much
Apr 26th 2022
70
Yeah I don’t think his story ends here
Apr 26th 2022
72
going after pops is petty at this point
Apr 26th 2022
75
Yup, plus he told Gus he'd do whatever Gus needed him to
Apr 26th 2022
76
Phone call.
Apr 26th 2022
74
      It was the meal for me
Apr 26th 2022
83
           Word word.
Apr 26th 2022
87
It's amazing how much tension they can extract from simple intrigue
Apr 25th 2022
65
Seeing as how Kim choose to Break Bad similar to Nacho
Apr 26th 2022
67
I think she winds up ordering a Hoover Vac.
Apr 26th 2022
71
      Good catch !
Apr 26th 2022
73
      the *only * reason i'm hesitant on this
Apr 26th 2022
77
      I think they could find ways around that.
Apr 26th 2022
79
      Yea, Bob had a heart attack between shoots
Apr 26th 2022
84
      Great point.
Apr 26th 2022
81
      Again, I think if it serves the story, they have an obligation to figure...
Apr 26th 2022
85
      That's true, but I imagine they could do it without Forster.
Apr 27th 2022
99
      Thus far, Kim has shown a reluctance
Apr 26th 2022
82
           Fair point but I think if it's either that or death she'd take the Hoove...
Apr 26th 2022
88
Am I alone in not caring about the Saul/Kim storyline?
Apr 26th 2022
78
For this episode I completely forgot about Saul and Kim
Apr 26th 2022
80
I mean the entire series explains it haha.
Apr 26th 2022
90
      yeah i guess so lol
Apr 27th 2022
98
not caring is a bridge too far. I'm more engaged by the cartel/crime stu...
Apr 26th 2022
86
Yea I think you're alone lol.
Apr 26th 2022
89
In past seasons, Saul's shenanigans measured up to the cartel stuff to m...
Apr 26th 2022
91
      Kim is getting off on pro bono lawyer work while fucking over big timers
Apr 26th 2022
92
           You covered what I was gonna say.
Apr 26th 2022
93
Funny, I'm kinda the opposite.
Apr 26th 2022
94
This is why the death of Nacho was premature in my opinion.
Apr 26th 2022
95
Yea exactly. We've lived in that world for 15 years.
Apr 27th 2022
97
I dunno, the twins are still pretty terrifying to me.
Apr 27th 2022
100
the way season 5 ended….I get it
Apr 26th 2022
96
I've slowly moved into this territory.
May 11th 2022
119
For me Saul / Kim is the more interesting story.
Jul 26th 2022
355
      Likewise. It's all very relatable.
Jul 26th 2022
359
Ep 4 was one 'holy shit' moment after another!
May 02nd 2022
101
great direction by Seehorn too
May 03rd 2022
102
      The Howard shit was so much fun. But that nagged at me too
May 03rd 2022
104
      The great meta moment in the episode
May 03rd 2022
105
Fun ep. they ain’t slick though, I ain’t forget
May 03rd 2022
103
that intro was great
May 04th 2022
110
They went over the top with Saul/Kim’s latest caper
May 03rd 2022
106
it was pretty goofy
May 03rd 2022
107
Kim Mike meet was stellar / What's Lalo's play?
May 03rd 2022
108
Every scene I’m like where the fock
May 03rd 2022
109
felt like this episode could've gone another half hour...'cause I'm curi...
May 10th 2022
111
They sure set up a lot
May 10th 2022
112
I'm guessing Mike's guys clock...
May 10th 2022
114
      Great catch! I didn’t consider that, but I think you’re dead on.
May 10th 2022
115
      that makes sense
May 10th 2022
116
      Yeah, that's what I guessed too
May 11th 2022
122
           RE: Yeah, that's what I guessed too
May 11th 2022
126
           ANOTHER possibility..Mike told Kim to ignore the tail
May 13th 2022
134
2 more episodes.
May 10th 2022
113
I had to do some reading to remember how Lalo found Margarethe
May 10th 2022
117
Thanks for this.
May 16th 2022
139
There's something written on that gift
May 11th 2022
121
      "In Liebe, deine Jungs."
May 11th 2022
124
           will it be Kai who gives up the goods?
May 11th 2022
127
                Kinda has to be
May 12th 2022
130
                Kai will ask to sign up and join the cartel.
May 12th 2022
133
This first half of the season has been a letdown.
May 11th 2022
118
understandable. I'm choosing to trust the process
May 11th 2022
120
I think im pissed they split the final season in half
May 11th 2022
128
      the break is only 6 weeks
May 12th 2022
129
           Yes. They haven't let us down once in 15 years.
May 16th 2022
140
I think I'm somewhat in your camp.
May 11th 2022
125
I think the endgame for the series is Lalo tracking down Jimmy in...
May 11th 2022
123
Interesting, execept that he mentions Ignacio too.
May 12th 2022
131
      i'd say they're bound to it somewhat
May 12th 2022
132
      Agreed. I’m speaking in terms of guessing whether Lalo is still alive ...
May 16th 2022
142
           ahh, yeah i misunderstood. i think Gus's confidence level alone
May 16th 2022
144
                Yeah, Lalo won't make it to the BB era.
May 16th 2022
145
                     Yup. Joaquin Salamanca was the last one
May 16th 2022
146
                     Maybe he was alive in season 2 of BB
May 16th 2022
147
                          ha.. nice point. possibly?
May 16th 2022
148
                               RE: ha.. nice point. possibly?
May 16th 2022
149
                     Oh excellent call.
May 17th 2022
156
      Him mentioning Nacho also tracks.
May 16th 2022
141
So, has Gus considered the possibility that Lalo is in Germany?
May 13th 2022
135
Yeah, Spice Curl orderer likely saved the empire
May 13th 2022
136
True.
May 13th 2022
137
Absolutely
May 13th 2022
138
Can't lie, I'm getting a kinda impatient now
May 17th 2022
150
first time in a long time I was totally caught off guard a TV ep was ove...
May 17th 2022
151
i'm definitely curious what the play is
May 17th 2022
165
Personally, I love the slow burn.
May 17th 2022
152
I like the slow burn too, but the storyline isn't all that convincing an...
May 17th 2022
158
      Nah, nothing so explicit.
May 17th 2022
161
           Gotcha. Good explanation, I get what you're saying.
May 17th 2022
162
                Yeah and I get why so many are becoming impatient.
May 17th 2022
163
I'm hoping
May 17th 2022
153
Yeah they were a bit too deliberate in having Saul clock it
May 17th 2022
160
      At whim, I watched a breakdown for this week's episode
May 19th 2022
192
Yeah I didn't enjoy this episode at all
May 17th 2022
155
i *thnk* so?
May 17th 2022
164
      RE: i *thnk* so?
May 17th 2022
166
           yeah i forgot Jimmy was looking at the photos
May 17th 2022
168
           Oh great call.
May 17th 2022
169
Haha yea this episode made me think "maybe this storyline *is* stale"
May 17th 2022
157
      Exactly. That's why it's so confusing.
May 18th 2022
174
Giancarlo used some great camera angles
May 17th 2022
154
Speaking of the opening scene @ Howard's house ...
May 17th 2022
159
      i don't think it was but i'm not 100%
May 17th 2022
167
           I'll have to go back and watch each scene, it's killing me hah.
May 17th 2022
170
                I actually think you might be right on this.
May 17th 2022
171
                     IIRC, they showed that exact same driveway view last nite !
May 17th 2022
172
                          Update: it is absolutely *not* the same house lol.
May 19th 2022
186
They literally could have made the last 3 eps into one episode.
May 18th 2022
173
This storyline is actually making me root for Howard over Saul
May 18th 2022
175
Haha right ! Christ.
May 18th 2022
176
Yeah, been saying that for a minute. I mean Howard's kinda douchey
May 18th 2022
177
True. Only thing giving me confidence.
May 18th 2022
179
I think that’s the point
May 18th 2022
180
      Yeah that was the only thing I could get from it.
May 18th 2022
181
      To this point tho, Kim's been more gung ho about the plan ...
May 19th 2022
187
           I think Kim gets disbarred
May 19th 2022
190
                Hm yea that's a great call. She's been more frontline in the plan ...
May 19th 2022
191
      ^^^ Good point.
May 18th 2022
182
           Yes yes yes this.
May 19th 2022
188
           I was missing it too.
May 19th 2022
193
           RE: ^^^ Good point.
May 19th 2022
194
                Yea I'd agree that both motivations are kinda weak.
May 19th 2022
195
                It definitely won't be that simple.
May 19th 2022
197
                     Right. I trust them.
May 19th 2022
198
                     I agree. But it would also be dull if it was...
May 19th 2022
199
                          Agreed.
May 19th 2022
200
i absolutely care how the howard thing plays out, but i agree on the pac...
May 18th 2022
178
Anybody else sick of these pretentious ass intros?
May 18th 2022
183
LOL love 'em
May 19th 2022
184
Haha nah I love them. I went back and watched the ep1 intro last nite ..
May 19th 2022
189
that broken glass in the desert hit different....
May 19th 2022
196
I'm such a non speculative person that a recap pod blindsided me
May 20th 2022
201
Holy shit
May 23rd 2022
202
Mother fucker!
May 23rd 2022
204
RE: Holy shit
May 23rd 2022
206
Meh. Shocking ending, but meh
May 23rd 2022
203
It's not really about Howard though
May 23rd 2022
208
exactly
May 23rd 2022
210
Another potential layer of guilt for Kim
May 24th 2022
215
Oh shit I forgot about that. Whoa.
May 24th 2022
225
Yes.
May 24th 2022
224
This is exactly why I loved that scene tho.
May 24th 2022
223
      Exactly.
May 24th 2022
230
One thing I didn't understand.
May 23rd 2022
205
It was the static
May 23rd 2022
207
He heard the clicks on the phone.
May 23rd 2022
209
      Thanks.
May 24th 2022
216
      Yep I always have subtitles on and even then it took me a second lol.
May 24th 2022
226
      the roach confused me
May 25th 2022
238
           Oh shit yeah! I hadn't noticed that.
May 25th 2022
239
           Oh wow.
May 26th 2022
246
now I can see why they
May 24th 2022
211
I’m glad the Nacho character was killed off early
May 24th 2022
212
Lalo has tipped over the "Omar jumps from fifth floor" territory
May 24th 2022
214
Exactly.
May 24th 2022
220
      Well, we don't know how brutal it was.
May 24th 2022
221
           Lalo turning into Jason Voorhees and cutting the German’s
May 24th 2022
222
                Oh shit was there a hockey mask?! I missed that.
May 24th 2022
229
                     See post #203
May 24th 2022
231
i hear you but the BB universe is not exactly dipped in realism
May 25th 2022
234
      Couldn't agree more.
May 25th 2022
236
I've said it before, these guys can yank tension out of an empty bag
May 24th 2022
213
Yea I'm with you.
May 24th 2022
228
Did Mike pull his guys off Saul’s spot?
May 24th 2022
217
I don’t think he mentioned Saul’s place specifically, but yeah
May 24th 2022
218
good catch. yeah he did
May 24th 2022
219
Oh word good call.
May 24th 2022
227
"We're pulling everyone off the low-priority targets"
May 25th 2022
233
      i thought this is where they were going as well
May 25th 2022
235
           Yeah, really masterful writing.
May 25th 2022
237
                i'm glad i didn't know about this
May 25th 2022
240
                     I only saw it a few weeks ago.
May 25th 2022
241
                     Me too, christ.
May 26th 2022
247
They're ruining this show.
May 25th 2022
232
Maybe that was a bit harsh. I'm just underwhelmed.
May 25th 2022
242
I made the (wise) choice to wait and binge.
May 26th 2022
250
Lalo is De Niro in Cape Fear now.
May 25th 2022
243
      Lmao. Perfect comparison.
May 26th 2022
244
I know folks raining on Lalo, but let's think about it
May 26th 2022
245
He's the Salamanca's Mike.
May 26th 2022
248
Yup. Mike's a geriatric action hero
May 26th 2022
251
      LOL
May 26th 2022
253
      Exactly right.
May 26th 2022
254
           mugfucker got blown up and straightened his tie, man
May 26th 2022
255
                lol
May 27th 2022
257
He shot a rich somebody in the head in a living room....
May 26th 2022
249
after hearing rich somebody talk about his public downward spiral
May 27th 2022
258
      and if you're Lalo, NOT killing Howard is not an option
May 27th 2022
259
           very true, and another thing
May 27th 2022
260
I see Lalo as the badass that Gus is at the end of BB
May 26th 2022
252
Yeah, I'd go back to some of my posts + say it doesn't HURT the show
May 27th 2022
256
this season is pretty boring & lazy imo
May 31st 2022
261
why is there such a big gap between airing episodes 7 and 8?
Jun 26th 2022
262
nvm this is fucking stupid:
Jun 26th 2022
263
      Beyond all that - AMC gets an extra 7.99 from me
Jun 28th 2022
264
Episode 8: that was intense!
Jul 11th 2022
265
This motherfucking show!
Jul 11th 2022
266
What do you mean here ?
Jul 12th 2022
270
Two shots in particular.
Jul 12th 2022
273
      Damn this is great. Thanks for this. I'm gonna watch again with all this...
Jul 12th 2022
274
it definitely left me feeling some way
Jul 12th 2022
275
      Too nitpicky IMO lol.
Jul 12th 2022
278
      beat me to it. this is WAY more plausible than the trunk scene
Jul 12th 2022
281
           Yea exactly. I mean it's all *possible*, just not likely to all fall int...
Jul 12th 2022
283
           i mean let's not forget Gus saw Lalo on camera enter the laundromat
Aug 08th 2022
472
      That scene was a rollercoaster of emotions and game theory.
Jul 12th 2022
280
           EXACTLY exactly exactly exactly.
Jul 12th 2022
284
           you nailed the Kim and Jimmy stuff
Jul 12th 2022
285
                Yea I really think that's the direction they are likely to go.
Jul 12th 2022
286
                Personally I think Gus's Eladio rant was essential.
Jul 12th 2022
287
                     Yea I agree with you.
Jul 12th 2022
288
                     doing the rant was essential
Jul 12th 2022
289
What a nosedive. I’ll provide more in-depth commentary
Jul 11th 2022
267
I think it's an eager critic that conflates lack of stakes with lack of ...
Jul 12th 2022
268
      I understand the appeal of having him die in Germany
Jul 12th 2022
282
So it's pretty much a given Kim will get vacuumed, correct?
Jul 12th 2022
269
All the trailers on AMC were about Gene ...
Jul 12th 2022
271
It's a given that she survives, not necessarily vacuumed, though.
Jul 12th 2022
272
Lalo goes from being this charming, cunning drug lord
Jul 12th 2022
276
RE: Lalo goes from being this charming, cunning drug lord
Jul 14th 2022
307
That ep was better than the first half of Season 6 combined. FLAMES
Jul 12th 2022
277
Yea agreed. The payoff has been worth it thus far.
Jul 12th 2022
279
I've been noticing a lot of little parallels with Breaking Bad this seas...
Jul 12th 2022
290
Oh I think a lot of that is definitely intentional.
Jul 12th 2022
291
Also Kim was sent to knock and shoot
Jul 13th 2022
295
Oh yeah! Also, with regard to guns...
Jul 14th 2022
300
      Lol yup. we were joking that Kim was gonna get the call
Jul 14th 2022
301
           And there were so many layers to that chess game.
Jul 14th 2022
302
Striking similarity between scenes in Waterworks and Ozymandias.
Aug 09th 2022
520
Satisfying breakdown from one of the writers of this ep ...
Jul 12th 2022
292
Yeah that was a great interview.
Jul 14th 2022
303
      Haha I'm very much doing the same.
Jul 14th 2022
305
No way will Kim be able to carry the weight
Jul 13th 2022
293
interesting because we know Saul can
Jul 13th 2022
294
      The Nets or Knicks make the most sense
Jul 14th 2022
296
           wrong board.
Jul 14th 2022
297
           Yeah I was gonna say
Jul 19th 2022
314
The new significance of young-Kim's shoplifting scene...
Jul 14th 2022
298
Damn - this makes a ton of sense. I could see it going this way.
Jul 14th 2022
299
That said, I hope (and expect) that it won't be quite that simple.
Jul 14th 2022
306
Great read, it’s a really interesting character
Jul 14th 2022
304
Didn’t Howard tell her this?
Jul 14th 2022
308
      I'm talking about Jimmy.
Jul 14th 2022
309
           Gotcha
Jul 15th 2022
310
Best episode of the season hands down!
Jul 18th 2022
311
I feel like Jimmy at Howard Hamlin's memorial.
Jul 18th 2022
312
Heavy, dark, depressing episode
Jul 18th 2022
313
great episode
Jul 19th 2022
315
BOOM
Jul 19th 2022
316
i think you nailed this
Jul 20th 2022
325
      To me it's one of the only (or few) things you can draw through the OG
Jul 23rd 2022
344
           Damn. Great analysis - thanks.
Jul 25th 2022
346
If not for the flash forwards, a great place for the series to end.
Jul 19th 2022
317
There probably won't be much Walt and Jesse
Jul 19th 2022
319
      I think you got the time line right
Jul 19th 2022
320
           You brought up something I was thinking about
Jul 19th 2022
323
                I think they made the right call
Jul 19th 2022
324
Kim became a scumbag in the end.
Jul 19th 2022
318
i wouldn't say that but i think she has somewhat of an addict's mindset
Jul 20th 2022
326
      She literally swooped in and convinced Howard's wife that he was on drug...
Jul 20th 2022
327
           Well, there was a lot of remorse.
Jul 20th 2022
328
           no remorse??
Jul 20th 2022
329
           I guess i needed more of a Kim breakdown. Idk
Jul 20th 2022
330
                *shrug* she gave up her entire life
Jul 21st 2022
331
                ^ right.
Jul 21st 2022
335
                Going back to post #277 in here, looks like ...
Jul 21st 2022
334
                I've been down on this season at point but not for this.
Jul 23rd 2022
345
           That was sheer self-preservation.
Jul 21st 2022
337
           yeah she also saw Jimmy's defense didn't move the needle
Jul 21st 2022
338
                Yep. IMO it needed to be grimey. The only out is Howard’s spiral
Jul 21st 2022
340
           that was an interesting choice
Aug 08th 2022
473
                That is another interesting wrinkle in this story.
Aug 16th 2022
575
MASTERFUL execution.
Jul 19th 2022
321
Yeah, Gus's scene was the saddest of them all.
Jul 19th 2022
322
Again, why did Saul buy a a dust filter for a Hoover Max Extract 60?
Jul 21st 2022
332
I dunno, I still think it was mostly the Heisenberg stuff.
Jul 21st 2022
333
THE FEDS!
Jul 21st 2022
336
Yup
Jul 21st 2022
339
      Yeah, the Feds dead confiscate his possessions...
Jul 21st 2022
341
Skyler knows about Saul’s involvement in the laundering schemes
Jul 22nd 2022
342
      yeah, all this too
Jul 22nd 2022
343
Holy shit Gene Takavic is my goddamn hero!
Jul 25th 2022
347
Oh I feel the division already. This ep can suck a thousand dicks
Jul 26th 2022
349
Haha, I'll admit I have a fetish for subverted expectations.
Jul 26th 2022
351
      Fuck that, fuck you, fuck Vince, fuck this show, I’m out
Jul 26th 2022
362
           Lol, nah, you have just as much right to be mad as I do to celebrate the...
Jul 26th 2022
363
It was a great episode
Jul 26th 2022
354
30 minutes into this ep. This ending better be nothing short of mind-blo...
Jul 26th 2022
348
Not reusing the same actor for the taxi driver
Jul 26th 2022
350
Yeah, the previous actor made me genuinely uneasy.
Jul 26th 2022
352
Thanks for that added info.
Jul 26th 2022
353
      Doesn't look like he put on a ton of weight at all ?
Jul 26th 2022
356
           Oh I would have preferred the continuity too.
Jul 26th 2022
357
           Yea I got you. And agree.
Jul 26th 2022
358
           I don't know if you watched We Own This City
Jul 26th 2022
361
                I haven't seen it yet, but everything I've read says he's a great actor.
Jul 26th 2022
364
           When I get home tonight
Jul 26th 2022
360
           Word fair enough.
Jul 26th 2022
365
           There aren't a ton of clips of the show on Youtube
Jul 26th 2022
370
                he didn't look much heavier, and considering Todd was about 100lbs
Jul 27th 2022
375
                     This is probably bordering on sacrilege
Aug 02nd 2022
432
Yeah, it took me out of it for a bit too.
Jul 26th 2022
366
that really bothered me tbh
Jul 26th 2022
367
      It definitely feels weird.
Jul 26th 2022
369
I was laughing out loud when dude was just lying on the floor.
Jul 26th 2022
368
And Gene fake-moaning to give him some more time lol
Jul 29th 2022
382
Couldn't remember the cabbie character at all, good for y'all.
Jul 27th 2022
371
cabbie character was recast so that may be a factor
Jul 27th 2022
372
I was curious about the mall
Jul 27th 2022
373
That's unfortunate to read.
Jul 27th 2022
374
      It’s always been NM
Jul 27th 2022
376
Ohmygod ohmygod! Call 402-342-9288
Jul 27th 2022
377
Lol I guess word got out. It gives a busy signal now.
Jul 27th 2022
379
yea heard it on one of the pods. pretty cool
Jul 28th 2022
381
Haha, or William Oakley and Associates: 505-247-2464
Aug 03rd 2022
465
Whoa, and a possible big spoiler from Internet detective work:
Jul 27th 2022
378
Err, waitaminute...
Jul 28th 2022
380
next ep is titled "Breaking Bad"
Jul 29th 2022
383
Yup. There's a chance that they might be fucking with us again, though.
Aug 01st 2022
384
Wooooow.
Aug 01st 2022
385
After a night to chew: Man, this was a dark story.
Aug 02nd 2022
391
The black and white shit worked for those short glimpses
Aug 01st 2022
386
Yeah, thatscene was boring. That was some DVD extras bullshit
Aug 02nd 2022
I loved “thatscene”
Aug 02nd 2022
390
Lol, she shoulda said something about how long Huell was locked in there...
Aug 02nd 2022
392
This is a rare moment I'm glad I had a hint of what's coming
Aug 02nd 2022
394
This fucking show is not good for my mental health😂
Aug 02nd 2022
387
ur replies got me roflmao
Aug 02nd 2022
388
      No shit.
Aug 02nd 2022
389
i thought the black and white scenes were an intentional device
Aug 02nd 2022
404
Agreed. And it doesn't bother me at all.
Aug 02nd 2022
406
ehh, 'Gene' in B&W is a pretty established thing
Aug 02nd 2022
443
      It works for me in one format, just not the other🤷🏻‍♂️
Aug 03rd 2022
453
Curious about one minor detail from last night:
Aug 02nd 2022
393
I think Victor was the alias
Aug 02nd 2022
395
"Viktor with a k" was how he described his name to Ken Wins, way back.
Aug 02nd 2022
396
RE: I think Victor was the alias
Aug 02nd 2022
400
That was my thinking too.
Aug 02nd 2022
405
RE: Curious about one minor detail from last night:
Aug 02nd 2022
398
Oh true. That prolly makes more sense.
Aug 02nd 2022
407
felt like it was just a character detail more than anything else
Aug 02nd 2022
435
I enjoyed it
Aug 02nd 2022
397
This is exactly it.
Aug 02nd 2022
409
      I loved last week
Aug 02nd 2022
416
           I think it's both.
Aug 02nd 2022
418
           I think it's definitely more the first than the second
Aug 02nd 2022
420
Man y'all are crazy lol. What were you expecting ?
Aug 02nd 2022
399
I was totally underwhelmed by the end of Breaking Bad at first.
Aug 02nd 2022
401
I can still enjoy something I didn’t expect
Aug 02nd 2022
402
Why should the Breaking Bad stuff be any more than that?
Aug 02nd 2022
442
      RE: Why should the Breaking Bad stuff be any more than that?
Aug 03rd 2022
451
i honestly dont know what to expect at this point.
Aug 02nd 2022
403
That's what I'm saying
Aug 02nd 2022
411
^ right.
Aug 02nd 2022
412
I think there's a chance Gene wants to get caught.
Aug 02nd 2022
415
Agreed.
Aug 02nd 2022
419
Yeah, this
Aug 02nd 2022
417
I've been fine with this season and the stories. Only thing I'll say...
Aug 02nd 2022
421
A compromise of sorts for the last season(s)
Aug 02nd 2022
408
IMO clean is boring.
Aug 02nd 2022
410
Just so I'm clear
Aug 02nd 2022
413
      Ahh got it. Misunderstood you.
Aug 02nd 2022
414
From what I understand, splitting the season was not in the original...
Aug 02nd 2022
422
Ah, if only Saul had listened to Mike
Aug 02nd 2022
423
How did Genejimmysaul get in touch with Francesca for that call ?
Aug 02nd 2022
424
Way back in season 4 there was a flashforward to the day Saul gets disap...
Aug 02nd 2022
425
Oh yea !! I do remember now - thanks
Aug 02nd 2022
426
      I guess we don't know, but I also assume it was pretty immediate.
Aug 02nd 2022
427
           Word yea. And if it's that immediate, that means ...
Aug 02nd 2022
428
                Two months, in fact. Haha.
Aug 02nd 2022
429
                     Yup, that combover was doing some heavy work.
Aug 02nd 2022
430
                          Oh yea haha.
Aug 02nd 2022
431
I was wondering the same
Aug 02nd 2022
441
i fucking loved this epsidode *shrug*
Aug 02nd 2022
433
Yea same. And even Jesse wasn't all that jarring for me.
Aug 02nd 2022
434
      for me it was more his voice than his look
Aug 02nd 2022
436
      I noticed it in the voice too
Aug 02nd 2022
437
           lol yeah def not fat todd territory
Aug 02nd 2022
440
      Lighting and scene/costume choice.
Aug 02nd 2022
444
Was I the only one looking for a bag of Funyuns in the RV?
Aug 02nd 2022
438
the florida call
Aug 02nd 2022
439
Whoops, you might have implanted the thoughts that led to my post 445.
Aug 02nd 2022
446
my very un-thought-out Kim theory
Aug 05th 2022
467
      ohh WOW
Aug 05th 2022
468
      Yeah, there have been a surprising number of references
Aug 05th 2022
470
      Oh wow yea.
Aug 08th 2022
471
Second thoughts: maybe Kim wasn't on that call.
Aug 02nd 2022
445
My initial impression was he couldn’t get ahold of her
Aug 02nd 2022
447
I just saw the director confirmed we'll hear the conversation eventually...
Aug 02nd 2022
448
Mike's dead at this point
Aug 02nd 2022
449
      Yeah but I mean he could have found her years ago.
Aug 02nd 2022
450
           ahh gotcha
Aug 03rd 2022
452
are we getting 2 more "Gene"s?
Aug 03rd 2022
454
I’m pulling for him to pull a DB Cooper and live happily ever after wi...
Aug 03rd 2022
455
I'm guessing so, with a few flashbacks.
Aug 03rd 2022
466
If you don’t realize by now that Saul is a piece of shit and deserves
Aug 03rd 2022
456
bruh
Aug 03rd 2022
457
Just like a sermon to undermine it's own message
Aug 03rd 2022
458
Mike went to Nacho’s father and said as much.
Aug 03rd 2022
460
      None of that changes anything.
Aug 03rd 2022
461
Con todo respeto. No me parece que esto merezca una respuesta.
Aug 03rd 2022
459
Jesse met Andrea bc he was selling her meth at an NA meeting
Aug 03rd 2022
462
Right, we’re sympathetic to Jesse, Mike, and Nacho for a couple reason...
Aug 03rd 2022
463
Agreed on Saul. But they're all various pieces of shit.
Aug 05th 2022
469
Ahh, waterworks could refer to sprinklers!
Aug 03rd 2022
464
Boom! What did I tell you guys.
Aug 08th 2022
474
I'm such a sucker for cops bickering their way into a crime, lol
Aug 09th 2022
475
lol me too. Bumbling idiots.
Aug 09th 2022
482
Holy fuck. 25 minutes in and this is gut wrenching. This is serious work...
Aug 09th 2022
476
Well, in that case...
Aug 09th 2022
477
This has been such a beautiful, tragic, rewarding story.
Aug 09th 2022
478
Oh, and a cute thing with the color...
Aug 09th 2022
479
Yea good call. I noticed that but didn't register it. Great stuff.
Aug 09th 2022
484
Yea same ! Thought the same thing last nite.
Aug 09th 2022
483
great episode
Aug 09th 2022
487
The names Marion and Jeff...
Aug 09th 2022
480
An episode with a small wart here and there, but still much better than ...
Aug 09th 2022
481
What were the warts ?
Aug 09th 2022
485
      I don't think they were clear whether she's married or not.
Aug 09th 2022
488
           No ring on her finger, he left her house at nite ...
Aug 09th 2022
489
                Ah, I didn't check for a ring. Good catch.
Aug 09th 2022
490
                Hm yea that's a possibility I suppose.
Aug 09th 2022
494
                     On second viewing, I'm coming around to your original view.
Aug 09th 2022
519
                          LOLOL
Aug 15th 2022
535
                I'll take your word for it.
Aug 09th 2022
491
                Yea I assumed marriage at first too, but on rewatch I looked for ring et...
Aug 09th 2022
495
                "So she has a boyfriend, Glen ..."
Aug 09th 2022
496
                at first i was thinking they might not even be a couple
Aug 09th 2022
512
                Personally I thought that scene was one of the most important.
Aug 09th 2022
497
                     Yea I thought the scene was excellent, as well as fun.
Aug 09th 2022
498
                     Yeah, that's an insightful point about Kim and Jesse. Regarding Sepinwal...
Aug 10th 2022
530
                          Oh wow !
Aug 15th 2022
536
                     I thought Jesse's purpose
Aug 09th 2022
511
                          Yeah I think that scene will be endlessly analyzed.
Aug 09th 2022
516
                          Honestly, I think that would have been kind of gross
Aug 10th 2022
522
                               Agree a trillion percent.
Aug 15th 2022
537
                Kim leaving at night. Interesting.
Aug 09th 2022
493
                Lmaooooo
Aug 09th 2022
501
                Regarding marriage...
Aug 09th 2022
504
                     Haha I don't think it's silly at all.
Aug 09th 2022
509
Yep. Yep. Yep ! Yep. Yep ! Yep.
Aug 09th 2022
486
Am I the only one who kept seeing that Banker's dad?
Aug 09th 2022
500
First things first...
Aug 09th 2022
492
Yeah, I don't know what's coming in the finale either.
Aug 09th 2022
499
Great analysis. Can't wait.
Aug 09th 2022
503
if next week
Aug 09th 2022
502
Please let Kim catch 2 bullets to her Medulla
Aug 09th 2022
505
^ Just inspected some photos with a weird liquid on them.
Aug 09th 2022
506
You have a hyper-aggressive, over the top hatred for Kim
Aug 10th 2022
523
      No, she went to the DA. she gave an affidavit.
Aug 10th 2022
525
      I missed that. Nothing else I said changes. You want her *dead*
Aug 10th 2022
527
      I think this is more likely than you're giving it credit for.
Aug 15th 2022
538
           I’m speaking specifically to his particularly intense hatred for Kim
Aug 15th 2022
543
Haha I actually thought this episode was the finale
Aug 09th 2022
507
Haha I could be okay with that.
Aug 09th 2022
517
There are tease commercials for the upcoming finale
Aug 09th 2022
508
There was also a teaser about a car crash, his voice shaky.
Aug 09th 2022
510
If you're thinking about what I'm thinking about, it wasn't a crash.
Aug 09th 2022
513
      Oh right ! Thanks for the reminder. Glad I brought this up lol.
Aug 09th 2022
515
RE: There are tease commercials for the upcoming finale
Aug 09th 2022
514
      Even if they did, they wouldn’t have found anything, because the guy
Aug 09th 2022
518
      I think the cleaner runs too tight a ship.
Aug 10th 2022
524
When Kim is in Florida, she has a clear Nebraska accent.
Aug 09th 2022
521
Cheryl’s disgust with Kim when Kim
Aug 10th 2022
526
RE: Cheryl’s disgust with Kim when Kim
Aug 10th 2022
528
      Well, the difference is Mike didn’t pose to be some righteous figure
Aug 10th 2022
529
           Kim Wexler would eat this bullshit charge up in preliminary hearings..
Aug 13th 2022
531
                ^^^I agree with your last paragraph.
Aug 14th 2022
533
The divorce signing scene was helpful
Aug 13th 2022
532
Didn't we all see that coming tho ?
Aug 15th 2022
539
Here we go! First month free at my Squat Cobbler Onlyfans!
Aug 15th 2022
534
A theory just occurred to me...
Aug 15th 2022
540
My cucumber water is ready, my nachos are ready and I am going to
Aug 15th 2022
541
ha i was trying to think of a good dinner to watch the show with
Aug 16th 2022
565
Lol I got a Cinnabon, too.
Aug 16th 2022
569
Brilliant show. Brilliant universe. Brilliant ending.
Aug 15th 2022
542
Great ending. I’m sad that it’s over. On my GOAT short list
Aug 15th 2022
544
Lol, I wasn't sure who Peter Diseth was at first.
Aug 16th 2022
570
God, God, God!
Aug 15th 2022
545
I’m here for you!
Aug 15th 2022
548
WACK. WACK AS HELL.
Aug 15th 2022
546
Yes. Yes you are.
Aug 15th 2022
547
We agree to disagree. He was given 86 years in prison and basically
Aug 15th 2022
550
      Can you remove the spoiler in the header?
Aug 15th 2022
551
How does that let everyone else off the hook??
Aug 16th 2022
558
Everyone else is off the hook because they are dead,
Aug 16th 2022
560
      I dont agree with Jesse having immunity
Aug 16th 2022
562
           I highly doubt that, since everything was taped.
Aug 16th 2022
567
                The nazis had Jesse's confession tape though
Aug 16th 2022
581
                     Damn. That’s right.
Aug 16th 2022
587
                     Chances are they found it at the compound though
Aug 16th 2022
589
                          yeah I thought about that. hard to say
Aug 17th 2022
593
the Weebay comparison is weird, man
Aug 16th 2022
579
Great ending, though I didn't quite follow how the...
Aug 15th 2022
549
Remember Jimmy told the DA all he needed was one juror
Aug 15th 2022
552
Is that really an agree/disagree proposition though? Spoilers
Aug 15th 2022
555
      Agreed. I also think the writers, rightfully, went a long way to ...
Aug 16th 2022
583
           I agree with all of this, especially the ending being fitting for the ch...
Aug 17th 2022
598
Smoke, mirrors, and risk management. SPOILERS.
Aug 15th 2022
554
I see Ozymandias is no longer the only TV ep with a 10.0 rating on IMDB.
Aug 15th 2022
553
It took me awhile to really believe it was the better show
Aug 15th 2022
556
It's still BB for me
Aug 16th 2022
578
I've also come around on thinking it's an overall better show than BB.
Aug 16th 2022
584
      I think the way they built so much tension, intrigue, and suspense
Aug 16th 2022
592
           Exactly.
Aug 17th 2022
596
The real Saul Goodman was the friends we made along the way
Aug 16th 2022
557
RE: The real Saul Goodman was the friends we made along the way
Aug 16th 2022
559
      there was a constant inner turmoil throughout the show
Aug 16th 2022
561
      But that's the thing....
Aug 16th 2022
573
      Saul was already established.
Aug 16th 2022
574
      Yep agreed - this is exactly what I was getting @ in replay #583.
Aug 16th 2022
586
      Haha yea I'm with you here.
Aug 16th 2022
585
anyone complaining about the ending is trippin'. (spoilers)
Aug 16th 2022
563
The ending was pretty anti-True Crime
Aug 16th 2022
571
      I think there are a handful of potential endings that would have made se...
Aug 16th 2022
577
           exactly. SPOILERS
Aug 16th 2022
580
           I re-watched it and... nan, man.
Aug 17th 2022
594
                Oakley's just guessing IMO.
Aug 17th 2022
599
                     Incredibly well said here.
Aug 17th 2022
600
                     yeah, it doesn't have nothing to do w/ Kim ultimately.
Aug 17th 2022
602
really good ***spoilers***
Aug 16th 2022
564
The book wasn't in previous seasons, but they peppered it through this o...
Aug 16th 2022
568
      And he missed an opportunity to discuss this with Chuck of all people
Aug 17th 2022
595
SO sweet.
Aug 16th 2022
566
It was perfect.
Aug 16th 2022
572
really satisfying wrap-up. also so bittersweet
Aug 16th 2022
576
Honestly, I could do with a limited series about Jimmy’s prison exploi...
Aug 16th 2022
582
All in all, it was fun guys.
Aug 16th 2022
588
Yep. I think BCS is a top tier that goes head up with anything.
Aug 16th 2022
590
this is my M.O. for shows too - I rarely get caught up in the zeitgeist
Aug 17th 2022
597
yeah for sure
Aug 17th 2022
601
It’s been in my mind that this might be the last one
Aug 17th 2022
603
      i love to binge stuff but i hear you
Aug 17th 2022
604
Did you ever watch Mad Men?? Halt and Catch Fire??
Aug 18th 2022
605
      Halt and Catch Fire was such a great show. Criminally undervalued.
Aug 18th 2022
606
           I just started Season 1 again. It aged very well.
Aug 19th 2022
608
Also, I have to give it up to everyone. There are so many great takes.
Aug 16th 2022
591
Yeah. This thread was entertainingly bi-polar
Aug 19th 2022
609
      Prestige/event series or otherwise, Thrones is prolly gonna loom a while
Aug 19th 2022
610
           Did you watch the Deadwood movie??
Aug 22nd 2022
612
                It fucked me up. I loved it. I get why it wasn't for everyone
Aug 23rd 2022
613
                     I have to think HBO regrets cancelling Deadwood
Aug 24th 2022
614
Oh God that thing on his lapel in the court scenes...
Aug 18th 2022
607
We will never look at New Mexico the same again
Aug 21st 2022
611
Chicanery!
Sep 13th 2022
615

Cold Truth
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1. "OH SHIT! THEY’RE BACK!!! BEST RETURN EVER!!"
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Ep 2 was a most pleasant surprise.

  

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2. "Yes they are. "
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It's crazy how they can keep up the quality over so many seasons and never skip a beat.

I guess they're saving the current day storyline for the finale. I can't wait.

  

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3. "Something I didn't understand from the first episode"
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Why did Lalo kill that couple he first came across? At least I'm assuming he did since the show made careful to show him undoing the scissors on the table.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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Mynoriti
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5. "RE: Something I didn't understand from the first episode"
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>Why did Lalo kill that couple he first came across? At least
>I'm assuming he did since the show made careful to show him
>undoing the scissors on the table.

i think it has something to do with dental records. the conversation he had with the woman mentioned a dentist.
News report said dental records matched Lalo's proving he's dead.
at first i thought ZZ top was a dentist but i think Lalo needed his teeth? it didn't make sense to me so hopefully someone else can clarify.

  

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stravinskian
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6. "The guy kinda looked like him."
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Or at least he did after Lalo told him he should shave off his beard, but leave the mustache and soul patch.

There was that shot they showed in all the ads where the zz top guy came up from the sink and suddenly there were two Lalos in the room.

Also, he'd recently had some dental work, paid for very generously by Lalo.

Gus was skeptical about whether Lalo was dead, considering that all the assassins 'to a man' had died in the siege.

Remember that scene later in the episode when someone was showing Gus all the evidence from Lalo's place, including a heavily charred body that the Federales were sure was Lalo's? It even matched the dental records that they had on file for him...

  

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7. "thanks.that makes more sense"
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>Or at least he did after Lalo told him he should shave off his
>beard, but leave the mustache and soul patch.
>
>Also, he'd recently had some dental work, paid for very
>generously by Lalo.
>
>Gus was skeptical about whether Lalo was dead, considering
>that all the mercenaries 'to a man' had died in the siege.
>
>Remember that scene later in the episode when someone was
>showing Gus all the evidence from Lalo's place, including a
>heavily charred body that the Federales were sure was Lalo's?
>It even matched the dental records that they had on file for
>him...


  

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8. "Thanks."
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Made it difficult to make that connection since I was under the assumption he was a total and literal lone wolf in terms of staying under the radar in wanting folks to think he died.

In order to switch and fake his dead body, he had to had gotten some help from up on high.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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4. "i think this is the first time i watch the series live"
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usually i would catch it on netflix, last season i was finding streams.

great first two episodes, i feel the tension building on how things will end up for kim.

  

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9. "That closing scene with..."
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Kim shaking down the Kettlemans -- that was one of the best scenes in either series. I just rewatched that. Holy shit.

And when she said "You think you've lost everything... You have no idea." That's pretty foreboding on what they're gonna tell us about her childhood with the drunk mother and absent father.

  

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Mynoriti
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10. "this has been Breakng bad for Kim"
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Saul wants to fuck with Howard. Kim wants to destroy him.

that aside, assuming it was Lalo in that car, it's gonna be pretty scary for her. He knows she's Jimmy's weakness, and he'll do anything to save her if it comes to that.

  

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13. "That seems like a reach ?"
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>And when she said "You think you've lost everything... You
>have no idea." That's pretty foreboding on what they're gonna
>tell us about her childhood with the drunk mother and absent
>father.

Maybe I missed a cue or something but I thought she just meant, "you think you've lost everything *now* ? Try me ..."

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14. "This was my interpretation. "
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I wouldn't be surprised to see more in depth coverage of her back ground, but nothing about that statement suggests anything more than her putting those wonderfully insane kettlemans firmly in their place.

  

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16. "I think all I meant..."
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(in the admittedly slightly inebriated state in which I made that post, lol...)

is that they've telegraphed that they're gonna say some things about her childhood. They've talked about her pre-ABQ life just two times -- once just a throwaway remark (but likely important in the long run (or maybe a red herring)) about growing up on the kansas-nebraska border. And once in that very weighty but obscure flashback scene where her mom was too drunk to drive her home from school, long after dark. (I guess they also showed her with KC Royals logos and jerseys once in a while, and every time Gene Takavic wears something with a Royals logo I assume it's setting something up.)

Over the years we got a LOT of backstory about why Walter White broke bad, and by now we've gotten even more backstory about Jimmy and Chuck and his parents. I think Rhea Seehorn has said that they were gonna spend a lot of time this season on her past tragedies and how they set her up to hold the kind of intense grudge that's currently making Saul Goodman look like the one with a conscience.


Also, specifically with regard to the Kettelmans: this could very well be me reading extra into this and working in my own drunken-daddy-issues, but I think she was extra pissed at the Kettelmans, for a reason. It's true, as many have noted and someone noted below, that Kim gets mad whenever an innocent person gets exploited -- and her story seems to be developing into something about subverting the justice system to help people who deserve to be helped, because nobody else is doing it.

But also, the thing about the Kettelmans, the way that they exploit innocent people and they're still honestly totally blind to how they're hurting them, willfully naive, that's part of the experience of being a kid with alcoholic parents. The way that Kim's mom talked to her in that flashback scene -- like she's totally fine to drive and she's just a little bit late, and she's only late because people kept distracting her with other things, like it just fundamentally isn't her fault and Kim shouldn't make a big deal out of it. The way that Mrs. Kettelman was talking reminded me of that, so I'm guessing it reminded Kim of that.

  

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17. "Haha word - I wouldn't be surprised (and would be psyched !) if they exp..."
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It would make a lot of sense, considering how little we know, how important she is to the show, and how she's really the only one we don't have backstory on at this point.

I was just saying that I didn't see *that* particular scene or line as any kind of foreshadowing. I don't think the two are connected at all haha. But again you may be right anyway, that they plan to explore her further.


>(in the admittedly slightly inebriated state in which I made
>that post, lol...)
>
>is that they've telegraphed that they're gonna say some things
>about her childhood. They've talked about her pre-ABQ life
>just two times -- once just a throwaway remark (but likely
>important in the long run (or maybe a red herring)) about
>growing up on the kansas-nebraska border. And once in that
>very weighty but obscure flashback scene where her mom was too
>drunk to drive her home from school, long after dark. (I guess
>they also showed her with KC Royals logos and jerseys once in
>a while, and every time Gene Takavic wears something with a
>Royals logo I assume it's setting something up.)
>
>Over the years we got a LOT of backstory about why Walter
>White broke bad, and by now we've gotten even more backstory
>about Jimmy and Chuck and his parents. I think Rhea Seehorn
>has said that they were gonna spend a lot of time this season
>on her past tragedies and how they set her up to hold the kind
>of intense grudge that's currently making Saul Goodman look
>like the one with a conscience.

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20. "Yeah, I'm entirely speculating."
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That's one of the things that makes this show and Breaking Bad so much fun, all the times when some minor thing from a few seasons back turns out to be much more important than we originally thought.

I edited and added a little more context on what I'm thinking, that the kind of willful blindness that the Kettelmans were showing was reminiscent to the behavior of alcoholic parents. But yeah, this is entirely me trying to guess ahead. And while these two shows have had plenty of prophetic events, they've also had nearly as many red-herrings.

  

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21. "i didn't interpret it as about her either, but they def could be dead on"
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i thought it was more vaguely about some of the people she reps in pro-bono.

but damn if for them to be like "we've lost everything" in response to being impeded from making a living stealing from people far worse off than them (our kid's have to go to public school!) made me bothered that Jimmy felt any sympathy for them.

i guess part of it is if he never entered their lives, they wouldn't robbing a poor granny's tax return. maybe going back the wolves/sheep thing, because they don't know how to do anything else... or something

  

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11. "I hate that Nacho is screwed"
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Knew it was coming a long time ago, but damn. It just keeps slowly getting more impossible for him.

I wish there was someone big that he could take out before he inevitably goes down but Lalo is the only possibility there, and that seems unlikely because it seemed he was still alive in Breaking Bad times.

  

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31. "If I'm not mistaken"
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>Knew it was coming a long time ago, but damn. It just keeps
>slowly getting more impossible for him.
>
>I wish there was someone big that he could take out before he
>inevitably goes down but Lalo is the only possibility there,
>and that seems unlikely because it seemed he was still alive
>in Breaking Bad times.

Didn't Saul name check both Nacho and Lalo in that scene you're referring to?

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32. "He did. I don't think either's fate is inevitable."
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For all we know Saul thought they were both alive. And the line gives nothing away.

They could both be alive, both be dead, or one could be alive and one could be dead. That BB scene was a throwaway line that turned into two major storylines in the prequel show, and IMO seems totally ambiguous in terms of their respective fates.


>>Knew it was coming a long time ago, but damn. It just
>keeps
>>slowly getting more impossible for him.
>>
>>I wish there was someone big that he could take out before
>he
>>inevitably goes down but Lalo is the only possibility there,
>>and that seems unlikely because it seemed he was still alive
>>in Breaking Bad times.
>
>Didn't Saul name check both Nacho and Lalo in that scene
>you're referring to?

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35. "If that is all true"
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>For all we know Saul thought they were both alive. And the
>line gives nothing away.
>
>They could both be alive, both be dead, or one could be alive
>and one could be dead. That BB scene was a throwaway line that
>turned into two major storylines in the prequel show, and IMO
>seems totally ambiguous in terms of their respective fates.

then it naturally lessens the chance either one had a part to play with Kim not being around during the Breaking Bad timeline as well.

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12. "Kim is ruthless when it comes to justice and the goodwill"
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of the people. Kim will not stand for innocent, honest people getting screwed,
whereas Jimmy believes that the honest man is a sucker, so he appreciates
a good con-artist and a good con-job.

Kim will bend the law and the rules to bring down perverse, greedy
individuals, but she will not tolerate innocent people getting manipulated.

That is why she looked back at Jimmy and said “ you gave them the money,
didn’t you?” Jimmy felt sorry for the Kettlemans, who a are bunch of devious crooks.

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15. "Most of Jimmy's con targets are trash, not the "honest man""
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>Jimmy believes that the honest man is a sucker, so he
>appreciates
>a good con-artist and a good con-job.

This doesn't wash with what we've seen in the show at all.

Even as a lawyer, no matter how dirty the trick is, it's always in defense of a client being wronged, or a situation where he himself has little choice due to consequences lurking around the corner.

But he has not shown a propensity for conning the "honest man".

The guys he scammed as Slippin' Jimmy were people who were trying to get over on him.

As a lawyer, for example, when he pulled his stunt with the fake defendent, he successfully proved the serious (and very real) problem with eye witness testimony.

Even if his client were guilty, the methods being used to convict were clearly biased and unjust.

Or Ken, who is very clearly an egomanical asshole- asshat is also acceptable- Jimmy is simply using his own arrogance against him, to bring him down just a peg.

And the shit with Chuck- who is arguably the biggest POS on the show, which is saying a LOT- and Howard, is simply a matter of them getting what they're earned for the way they've treated Jimmy.

Jimmy is no saint, and he's not 100% in the right in most of these situations. He's down to play dirty in a world he recognizes as dirty, and has plenty of plain old scum bag in him to be sure.

But this bit about him seeing the honest man as a sucker and loving a good con for that reason, I just don't see that as congruent with his portrayal in the show.

  

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18. "he does call back the wolves and sheep line"
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from the flashback where that dude scammed his dad out of money at his store.

was the wolves/sheep dynamic referring to, saul/kim, kim/kettlemans, kettlemans/kettleman's "clients"? all of the above on some level?

I think Saul and Kim are roughly still on the same page at this point, except Kim is going full measure on all fronts (protect the little guy/destroy howard), and Saul's still an apprehensive combo of Jimmy McGill, Slppin Jimmy & Saul. We're still a ways from the golden toilet.

  

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19. "Absolutely right."
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How one can watch this show and come to the conclusion that Jimmy/Saul has spent 5 seasons conning the "honest man" is mindblowing at best. But considering the source I shouldn't be surprised at the stupidity.


>>Jimmy believes that the honest man is a sucker, so he
>>appreciates
>>a good con-artist and a good con-job.
>
>This doesn't wash with what we've seen in the show at all.
>
>Even as a lawyer, no matter how dirty the trick is, it's
>always in defense of a client being wronged, or a situation
>where he himself has little choice due to consequences lurking
>around the corner.
>
>But he has not shown a propensity for conning the "honest
>man".
>
>The guys he scammed as Slippin' Jimmy were people who were
>trying to get over on him.
>
>As a lawyer, for example, when he pulled his stunt with the
>fake defendent, he successfully proved the serious (and very
>real) problem with eye witness testimony.
>
>Even if his client were guilty, the methods being used to
>convict were clearly biased and unjust.
>
>Or Ken, who is very clearly an egomanical asshole- asshat is
>also acceptable- Jimmy is simply using his own arrogance
>against him, to bring him down just a peg.
>
>And the shit with Chuck- who is arguably the biggest POS on
>the show, which is saying a LOT- and Howard, is simply a
>matter of them getting what they're earned for the way they've
>treated Jimmy.
>
>Jimmy is no saint, and he's not 100% in the right in most of
>these situations. He's down to play dirty in a world he
>recognizes as dirty, and has plenty of plain old scum bag in
>him to be sure.
>
>But this bit about him seeing the honest man as a sucker and
>loving a good con for that reason, I just don't see that as
>congruent with his portrayal in the show.

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22. "I think they've shown a sequence of transitions for Jimmy."
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As a kid, he started to believe that everything is a scam, that the people who think there's more to life than a sequence of scams are either liars or suckers waiting to become targets for petty schemes.

That's Slippin' Jimmy. It wasn't about scamming "honest" people. It was about scamming anybody he could, just because he thought that's all that there was to life.

And eventually he wanted to prove -- most of all to himself -- that Chuck's great success in life was also fundamentally about finding the cracks in the system. So Jimmy wanted to show that he could scam his way to a legal career. And he basically did, but as we saw, just becoming a lawyer doesn't make him Charles McGill, and we all saw how that turned out.

So when Chuck died, he discovered that scamming people is NOT the purpose of life. But by then he didn't think he could be good at anything else. So this leads to the nihilistic Saul Goodman. Life is the process of getting from one day to the next, nothing more, and if you're skillful at dishonesty you can pass those days with more comfort.

  

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23. "We've never seen that from Slippn' Jimmy though. "
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>It was about scamming anybody he could, just because
>he thought that's all that there was to life.

I don't think this has ever been shown in the show. I don't see him as ever scamming "anybody he could".

Jimmy has a nose for the asshole in the room. The guys we see Slippin' Jimmy go after- the bar guys- are just that, and a major part of his scheming is luring them in with their asshole tendencies, showing that they're more than happy to con *him*.

His marks consistently share this trait, and he simply uses that against them. Shit, he did the exact thing with Chuck.

I don't see even a slight case for him scamming anybody he could.

Frankly, he's a lot more like Dexter in this regard.

He's an alpha wolf among wolves, a particular brand of predator who doesn't necessarily hunt other predators- I'm using that term loosely-, but one who makes a point of weeding out those predators when he sees them.

IMO that's the greater point of the man at the cash register. Jimmy isn't just a kill-or-be-killed kind of guy. It can be argued that each of his marks is some form of that man, and that's who Jimmy is out to get. But definitely not anyone.

>And eventually he wanted to prove -- most of all to himself --
>that Chuck's great success in life was also fundamentally
>about finding the cracks in the system. So Jimmy wanted to
>show that he could scam his way to a legal career.

He didn't though. He went to a real school and practiced real law. He exploits those same cracks as chuck, albeit through less conventional method, but I don't see him as "scamming his way to a legal career" by any stretch. I don't think that's born out in his story. He definitely uses those scamming abilities to a degree- see the shit with Lalo's "family" in court, or the fake witness in court.

So while he uses plenty of smoke & mirrors along the way, I think it's an unfair characterization that he thought he could scam his way to a legal career.

And he
>basically did, but as we saw, just becoming a lawyer doesn't
>make him Charles McGill, and we all saw how that turned out.

He's arguably Chuck's peer, intellectually. Frankly, it's likely that we'd see a much different Jimmy right today, were Chuck not undermining him every step of the way, literally starting the moment Jimmy showed him the law degree. But that constant reminder of what he was previously, only served to push him toward a seedier path.

  

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24. "I was thinking of the bar guys, and the "Kevin Costner" women."
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At the time I saw the bar guys as just randoms, not the kind of people who would ordinarily rob the wallet or the watch of a guy passed out on the ground. But Jimmy plays into their need to feel like they're the ones in control.

But it's been a while since I saw those scenes. I may need to rewatch them. I certainly don't remember any implied moral purpose in the schemes that they came up with. I don't think it's that Jimmy had a nose for the asshole, it's that he had a nose for the mark. And sometimes assholes make good marks.

As for convincing drunken women to sleep with him because he's Kevin Costner in town scouting for a movie... That's clearly just him doing it because he thought he could. Admittedly it's a little different from what we'd normally think of as a scam, but Jimmy clearly thought about it in those terms.


On the Chuck business, I think the question of whether his legal career was a scam is highly dependent on how we consider the correspondence-based "University of American Samoa" as a training for legal work. In Jimmy's eyes: yes, maybe it's a little silly ("go sea crabs!"), but it prepared him to pass the bar and work as a lawyer. Therefore he's a lawyer.

To Chuck, though, there's a lot more to the law than just passing the bar and knowing what forms to fill out and when. Jimmy wasn't interested in the law before he felt he had to prove something to Chuck. So in Chuck's eyes, Jimmy's career was about trivializing the hard work that Chuck thinks he did to get where he was.

Is education something we do along the way in the lifelong work of developing our own personal intellectual fulfillment? Or is it a specific means to an end, the end being a high-paying job in a fancy suit? The idea that it's a means to an end is what made Chuck see it as an affront, whereas Jimmy thought that's the only reason we do anything we do.

  

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26. "Yea I think this is it."
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>IMO that's the greater point of the man at the cash register.
>Jimmy isn't just a kill-or-be-killed kind of guy. It can be
>argued that each of his marks is some form of that man, and
>that's who Jimmy is out to get. But definitely not anyone.

^^^ I think that's the point, too.

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30. "Why do you think Kim asked to come along with him "
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on his meeting with the Kettlemans, and Jimmy was sort of hesitant
about it? Jimmy was just going to go there and give them the money
to get them to play along, and totally disregard their con business of cheating
innocent people out of their tax money.

I’m not saying Jimmy went around targeting innocent, honest people to con
as a lawyer, but he didn’t and doesn’t always stop people from being conned either.
He appreciates a good con, because he did con people out of their money before he took being a lawyer seriously. They showed all of that in the beginning

He clearly felt sorry and had compassion for the Kettlemans and felt Kim
was being too harsh on them, even though they have done nothing but fuck
innocent people out of their money for a living.

It was Kim who came in and said not only are you going to end your scam business,
but you’re going to return every penny of tax money that you stole. Jimmy
would have never done that.

It’s hard for Jimmy to be COMPLETELY straight because he appreciates
a good con, and he feels being completely honest doesn’t pay off. That’s
why Chuck didn’t want Jimmy to be part of the law. Chuck was a piece of shit,
but just like Kim he was dead serious about the law.....We all know Jimmy
isn’t cut from that fabric.



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33. "Kim's pro-bono = Walt's I'm doing it all for my family"
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she absolutely does care for the little guy and cherishes her pro-bono work, but what really moves her is running schemes.

We see sprinkles of it through out the seasons how "alive" she is every time her and Jimmy pull some shit together, big or small. When she brings Jimmy in to work a scheme on the Mesa Verde thing, and realizes part of his scheme was to dupe her too, her reaction was let's get married.

at the end of last season when he told her about his antagonizing of Howard, her reaction was "bowling balls and hookers.. that's it?", and when they start playing game of coming up with ways to fuck with Howard... it acts as literal foreplay for them, and after they fuck, she ups the stakes to pretty much destroying Howard... her justification is basically so she can get the sand piper money and get her pro bono biz going..

but Jimmy's clearly uncomfortable with it, saying this isn't her (which she says, "isn't it?").. part because even he doesn't think Howard deserves that much smoke, but also he sees something darker in her, that i think we're gonna see a lot more of in this final season.

  

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34. "I think she comes alive with pro bono work too."
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Cuz both pro bono work and running schemes on rich assholes kind of accomplishes the same goal: making rich assholes squirm and fight.

I think we're mostly saying the same thing but just wanted to say that I think she gets the same *kind* of thrill from both, even if the schemes get her going to a slightly higher degree. If that makes sense.

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36. "Slight nitpick: I think it's a different thrill. "
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I don't think pro bono work gets her hot & bothered. I see the pro bono as real, genuine, human fulfillment.

>I think we're mostly saying the same thing but just wanted to
>say that I think she gets the same *kind* of thrill from both,
>even if the schemes get her going to a slightly higher degree.
>If that makes sense.

I hear you, but I think there's a categorical difference between the two.

I'd argue that, what she gets from each, she gets in the same amount.

If we're using units of measurement, for example, she gets a cup of fulfillment from pro bono, and a cup of "thrill" from running game. Each provides a similar *amount* of gratification- but each is fueling different sides of her.

To summarize my slight adjustment of your view:

Pro bono warms her heart, running game heats up her lady bits, in roughly equal amounts.

  

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37. "LOL - very well stated, I agree."
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>I don't think pro bono work gets her hot & bothered. I see
>the pro bono as real, genuine, human fulfillment.
>
>>I think we're mostly saying the same thing but just wanted
>to
>>say that I think she gets the same *kind* of thrill from
>both,
>>even if the schemes get her going to a slightly higher
>degree.
>>If that makes sense.
>
>I hear you, but I think there's a categorical difference
>between the two.
>
>I'd argue that, what she gets from each, she gets in the same
>amount.
>
>If we're using units of measurement, for example, she gets a
>cup of fulfillment from pro bono, and a cup of "thrill" from
>running game. Each provides a similar *amount* of
>gratification- but each is fueling different sides of her.
>
>To summarize my slight adjustment of your view:
>
>Pro bono warms her heart, running game heats up her lady bits,
>in roughly equal amounts.

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39. "right. plus i think she can use one to justify the other"
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the pro-bono work is altruistic, and fulfilling to the soul, and i'm sure there's a dopamine hit in giving some deserving rich asshole some comuppance

but as you said, its different. there's never been some crazy sexual chemistry between Jimmy and Kim. They're more like great buddies/partners.. When the sceheme stuff enters is when she's into him in that way.

and its such a high to all her senses.. if she gets to tell herself that it's all in service of the pro-bono stuff, she's gonna keep chasing it more. and that it's gonna impair her judgement more and more. it's unavoidable.

  

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25. "This serves as the unfortunate reminder"
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that AMC is going the break this final season into two parts.

Even worse news is that I read that the second part of the final season will start its second batch of episodes in July with the show finally ending in August.

Terrible.

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27. "Better than waiting another year a la Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, e..."
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But yea generally speaking I'm also anti-two part seasons no matter the length of the break in between. Seems so pointless/misguided.

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28. "I like it in a way"
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I just found out too, and my immediate reaction was oh, that's cool I guess lol

I think it's the like having more to look forward to aspect of it

  

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29. "Yea by all accounts it's a short break."
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So they didn't film it as if it were two separate seasons, they just call it S6 Parts 1 & 2, which is what annoys me. Just call it S6 and S7 in that case haha. That's my OCD take.


>I think it's the like having more to look forward to aspect
>of it

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38. "These episodes started in early Spring."
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And the show will end in the middle of Fall. A span of three seasons out of the year.

I get why the show is taking a break in terms of avoiding airing a bulk of the season during the summer and running the trail end of the series in the fall to garner higher ratings, which in turn will bump up the ad revenue.

Still fairly annoying, but there isn't anything that can be done the change the matter, so whatever.

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40. "Can someone explain the whole safe situation to me ?"
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I rewatched last nite after refreshing my memory as to where season 5 (and prior) had left off so I could make sure I understood all the storylines better. But the whole safe replacement and ID situation were the only scenes I'm still not fully grasping. Hopefully someone can give me an explainer ?

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41. "Gus doesn't care to protect Nacho. Mike wants to protect him."
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My assumption was they left the motel number to lead them to Nacho, to throw them off of Gus' trail. But Mike replaced the Ids because he didnt agree with putting a civilian (Nacho's dad) in harm's way. Mike is trying to protect Nacho and his dad while also doing what Gus asked. I think. *shrug*

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42. "weren't they the same ID's?"
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i thought Mike apprehensively put Nacho's back and just pocketed the Dad's

also seems Gus was hoping for a Hank/Murder twins situation when they found Nacho. Tyrus said if anyone shows up start blasting. the Hank hit worked out better for Gus. This puts everyone squarely on Nacho, except for Lalo who's supposed to be dead.

  

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44. "I just watched it again. You're right."
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He pockets dad's id and put's Nacho's back.

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45. "Thanks y'all. Then obviously they replaced the safe so no one would noti..."
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53. "They did it to set up Nacho, to lead the cartel to him,"
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so that they could kill him. Since Nacho is in Mexico, Gus can’t do it himself or
hire anyone in Mexico to do it ( the cartel would snatch the guy and find out
who hired him). The only thing Gus can do is hire someone to watch Nacho
so he would know where Nacho is at all times of the day.

Nacho had two fake IDs made for him and his father to be able to escape safely and
secretly to another country once he gets back from Mexico. Mike took out Nacho’s
Father’s ID so the cartel wouldn’t get it, thus keeping Nacho’s father safe and out
of the picture, and only implicating Nacho.

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43. "saw someone point out that Lalo calling the old folks home"
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and speaking spanish, so that the lady would say they don't have a spanish speaker on site. that way he's clear to talk to Hector without anyone listening in.

  

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46. "The attention to detail in this show smh."
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Something not a single viewer would have even considered had they not done that.

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47. "Oh shit I hadn't realized that."
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I was confused about that myself, but this makes perfect sense.

Someone needs to keep an eye on Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould. They could be damn fine supervillains.

  

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48. "This might be nitpicking"
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but how realistic would it be for an old folks home based in New Mexico to not have someone on staff to speak Spanish?

To be clear, that's not a big enough deal to me to take me out of the experience of watching the show, but that doesn't strike me as something that's authentic to real life.

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49. "I just found the scene (Ep. 1, 50:00)"
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She didn't say there were no Spanish speakers on staff. In fact, what she said was "I'm sorry, let me get someone who speaks Spanish." And then Lalo quickly switches back to English before she steps away. So there were Spanish speakers there, she just wasn't one of them.

I think the only thing he wanted to be sure about was whether she, specifically, speaks Spanish, because she would presumably be the one holding the phone to Hector's ear.

  

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51. "RE: I just found the scene (Ep. 1, 50:00)"
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>I think the only thing he wanted to be sure about was whether
>she, specifically, speaks Spanish, because she would
>presumably be the one holding the phone to Hector's ear.
>

Ah, good point. I think this must be the meaning behind it.

  

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52. "ah.. thanks for clarifying."
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Lalo's so multi skilled lol

  

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55. "This."
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54. "That’s very realistic, actually"
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Forgive me, because this is something of a rant.

It’s realistic, quite frankly, because there are a lot of smart/dumb motherfuckers running shit.

I work in public social services in southern California. Spanish speakers represent a significant portion of our customer base, to the point where there are days where English language cases represent maybe 1/5th of my workload that day.

Despite this fact, there’s only ONE staff interpreter on site, with two workers serving rotating backups who, surprise surprise, are always unavailable.

We’re not aloud to pull people who are not assigned as backups to interpret. We have to find a Spanish langur supervisor, and if they’re unavailable- which they always are- we have to “make due” or “figure it out”. This is a problem everywhere on the floor, but especially the front lobby, because a LOT can be handled there.

Given the high number of Spanish speaking customers, this is absolutely absurd, and leads to situations where Spanish language customers wait longer, or we have to “make due” .

Worse? We have plenty of Spanish language workers- who get paid kore for being Spanish speakers.

The ridiculously simple fix here, is to assign only Bilingual workers to the front lobby.

A LOT of problems are solved that way- particularly for the customer- but nope.

Shit, our call center doesn’t have a staff interpreter. We have a Spanish language queue, but a significant number of people call the English queue. Rather than have Spanish language staff to handle these specific calls, we have to call a third party service, at exorbitant rates.

All this to say, having no Spanish language staff available is, unfortunately, very realistic.

Obviously every agency or organization won’t be this grossly inept, but I have no doubt that plenty of them are.

  

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50. "RE: saw someone point out that Lalo calling the old folks home"
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I understood it to mean that he expected the person on the line to speak Spanish. The woman on the phone said they would go get someone who spoke Spanish, meaning there must be at least one staff member there who speaks Spanish.

  

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56. "Super obvious reference..."
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and I don't know how I didn't notice it until my second full viewing...

But the opening scene, where the feds are emptying out the house -- that was a direct reference to the closing scene of Citizen Kane.

The tacky but resplendent house, totally packed with stuff. Most of it pointless, some of it really important, and nobody seems to know or care about the difference. Dozens of rubber balls in the trash (from the cell phone store, I assume). Greek marble statues crated up and on dollies. Stuff absolutely everywhere, so crowded it looks like it's hard to get around. But it's all just a burden for somebody else now. The detritus of a life spent trying to fill a gap that couldn't be filled.

And the camera slowly zooms in on the most important thing of all, which to everyone else is so pointless as to not even be worth taking.

Yeah maybe it's a cliche. But the scene obviously worked in Kane, and it worked here too.

  

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57. "Ahhh very good !"
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>And the camera slowly zooms in on the most important thing of
>all, which to everyone else is so pointless as to not even be
>worth taking.
>
>Yeah maybe it's a cliche. But the scene obviously worked in
>Kane, and it worked here too.

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143. "shit was that a rosebud???"
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>and I don't know how I didn't notice it until my second full
>viewing...
>
>But the opening scene, where the feds are emptying out the
>house -- that was a direct reference to the closing scene of
>Citizen Kane.
>
>The tacky but resplendent house, totally packed with stuff.
>Most of it pointless, some of it really important, and nobody
>seems to know or care about the difference. Dozens of rubber
>balls in the trash (from the cell phone store, I assume).
>Greek marble statues crated up and on dollies. Stuff
>absolutely everywhere, so crowded it looks like it's hard to
>get around. But it's all just a burden for somebody else now.
>The detritus of a life spent trying to fill a gap that
>couldn't be filled.
>
>And the camera slowly zooms in on the most important thing of
>all, which to everyone else is so pointless as to not even be
>worth taking.
>
>Yeah maybe it's a cliche. But the scene obviously worked in
>Kane, and it worked here too.

was that JUST a reference to CK or did Saul/Jimmy have a significant attachment to it? Was it Chuck's?

I appreciate this thread. I binged through BCS right after binging through BB but that was late 2020 and the wait has been so long, I'm rusty on a lot of the finer points.

  

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185. "The first time Jimmy & Kim scammed anybody..."
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the stockbroker guy (the same guy with the "KEN WINS" license plate on the BMW that Walt burned up in Breaking Bad); they talked him into a long conversation about how he could invest their (fake) assets, and in the process they got him to buy a very expensive bottle of Tequila. That thing that fell into the gutter was the bottle stopper. Jimmy has grabbed it a few other times when he was reminiscing.

  

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58. "Hey, you fucking pricks, hurry the fuck up and watch this piece of shit"
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You pieces of shit need to hurry the fuck up so we can discuss THIS piece of shit

Fuck Vince Gilligan, his wife, his dog, and his great great great grandbabies too

Fuck my dog and while I’m at, my own punk ass wife and kids better be on their p’s & q’s tonight

Ok, I’m not *that* angry, but GODDAMNIT

  

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60. "LOL"
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There were really only 2 ways this could have gone

  

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61. "TOO SOON, FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING @&$%#*!??!!!!!!!!!!!"
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No offense, lol.

Sigh.

Of course there were only two paths for him- and this was always the most likely.

Vince took that full measure and I respect the hell out of him for it

But fuuuuuuck that shit still hurt.

This sucks.

  

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59. "Yo... Hurry. The. Fuck. Up"
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You know what? FUCK YOU TOO. And you. And you. And you.

Somewhere, there’s a sweet old lady trying to cross the street

Fuck her too

I hate this place.

  

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62. "SPOILERS"
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Michael Mando is a brilliant actor and he carried that episode flawlessly.
However, I have a problem with him turning himself in
and then offing himself. It was a great samurai move, but he could
have done that back in Mexico once he realized that his father was going
to be safe. He could have just told Gus over the phone that he satisfied his
demands, and then executed himself right afterwards. I’m not a fan of that
part of the script. Plus I think he killed off the Nacho character too soon.
This wasn’t the best of episodes. It was good, but it was also deflating.
Nacho and Kim were the only characters whose fates were unknown. Now
it’s just down to Kim.

I think it is the FBI or some type of law enforcement who are following Kim and Saul. Now that we know that Saul’s slip of the tongue put the prosecutors onto Lalo, which
led them to believe that Saul was possibly forced to cover for Lalo, it would only make sense to have Kim and Saul tailed to try to get close to the cartel. We shall see.


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63. "Gracias"
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I think we all sensed what was coming

  

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64. "Also, this was the right choice"
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>episode flawlessly. However, I have a problem with him
>turning himself in
>and then offing himself. It was a great samurai move, but he
>could
>have done that back in Mexico once he realized that his father
>was going
>to be safe. He could have just told Gus over the phone that he
>satisfied his
>demands, and then executed himself right afterwards.

But that would have undermined the significant work by everyone involved to get here.

Nacho needed to ensure Papi’s safety
Mike was putting himself on uneasy terms with Gus over it
Gus wasn’t budging
The Salamanca’s damn sure weren’t budging- and Hector blamed Gus as it is

The only move that even remotely appeased both the Salamancas and Gus, as well as Gus’ need for plausible deniability, was killing Nacho

Nacho’s options were limited to whatever drop of mercy Gus would allow

That Gus acquiesced to their original plan was a minor miracle as it was

Nacho chose to do it in a way that would best ensure Papi’s safety- and did so in a way that allowed him to STILL get out on his own terms, giving Gus the deniability he needed, while at once revealing to Hector that he was responsible for Hector’s condition AND denying the Salamanca’s bloodlust

Doing it in Mexico wouldn’t have satisfied ang of that, and it would have cheapened 5 seasons worth of storytelling by comparison

This tied up all the the threads that mattered in this regard, and in a memorable way

ALL THAT is before we even get into Mike’s relationship with Nacho serving as penance for Matty, trying to save a father and son *together*. He failed to save his own son from his game, so he tried to help save his “new” son from this game- failing there, once again, only to see the father outlive his son. Mike is now 0-2 on that front.

All of which forshadows the relationship he eventually develops with Jesse.

It was absolutely the correct choice. That one scene did as much meaningful heavy lifting as any scene in any show I can think of.

  

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66. "Naw. It doesn’t fly, especially with how easily he busted out "
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of his plastic wrist constraints. Lalo and Hector will see right through that bullshit.
The script could have been way better.

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68. "Agreed"
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69. "This is the important part:"
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>while
>at once revealing to Hector that he was responsible for
>Hector’s condition AND denying the Salamanca’s bloodlust
>
>Doing it in Mexico wouldn’t have satisfied ang of that, and
>it would have cheapened 5 seasons worth of storytelling by
>comparison

^^^ indeed.


>ALL THAT is before we even get into Mike’s relationship
>with Nacho serving as penance for Matty, trying to save a
>father and son *together*. He failed to save his own son from
>his game, so he tried to help save his “new” son from this
>game- failing there, once again, only to see the father
>outlive his son. Mike is now 0-2 on that front.
>
>All of which forshadows the relationship he eventually
>develops with Jesse.

Damn I didn't even really make that connection. Gonna watch again.

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70. "Pretty much"
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The way he went out was the most satisfying way he could have that would have made sense.

I'm curious to know how Lalo reacts once he finds out or if he will find out.

I do think it would make the Salamanca's go after his dad but reading above I guess Mike took care of that. Will we see Mike actually get Nacho's dad out of town?

  

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72. "Yeah I don’t think his story ends here"
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>The way he went out was the most satisfying way he could have
>that would have made sense.
>
>I'm curious to know how Lalo reacts once he finds out or if he
>will find out.
>
>I do think it would make the Salamanca's go after his dad but
>reading above I guess Mike took care of that. Will we see Mike
>actually get Nacho's dad out of town?

I think that thread has a little left to pull

Mike gave his word, and Nacho has grown to trust that.
Mike is basically a superhero, but he has his vulnerabilities

So from Nacho’s standpoint, he made the best choice possible
But he’s gone now, and there are no guarantees

I don’t think that his death guarantees Papi’s safety in an iron clad way- but from Nacho’s perspective, Mike’s word was the highest standard he could attain and be able to feel like his pops is safe

I won’t be shocked if Lalo finds out about Mike’s granddaughter, and puts Mike jn position where he has to trade Papi for Kaylee’s safety.

But I think Gus would help Mike honor his word

Gus has his limits, but it’s clear that he trusts and respects Mike. I think Mike shows enough deference and loyalty that, even when he directly challenges Gus, it ultimately reinforces the reasons Gus hired him to begin with.

But we know Gus is playing the long game with the south, so I think if Papi gets killed, it’s the result of either Mike’s family being threatened, or Gus causing/allowing it to happen in service of his longer goals.

Mike may even kill him as a mercy to deny the Salamanca’s a more sadistic kill

  

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75. "going after pops is petty at this point"
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not saying the Salamanca's wont do it on some fuck you shit, but the whole point of doing it was to punish or leverage Nacho.

if Mike even protects him a little, i don't see them over extending themselves or risking getting their own guys killed to do something that serves no real practical purpose... or has no real punch for them.

  

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76. "Yup, plus he told Gus he'd do whatever Gus needed him to"
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is long as he assured his pops safety. Nacho maximized what little leverage he had by giving Gus as much as he can get out of this.

and damn... thanks for bringing up the Mike backstory, i hadn't considered how much of a factor the father/son dynamic was in how hard he's riding for Nacho.

  

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74. "Phone call."
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As soon as the call w/Papi ended I knew it was over for Nacho.

I didn't necessarily think it would happen this episode. But that type of call/conversation is always the kiss of death for major characters.

It was almost *too* much foreshadowing for me haha, like too obvious that it was coming. But the way they handled it at the end of the episode was still the right way, IMO.

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83. "It was the meal for me"
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Though like I got into below, because it’s this writing staff and this franchise, when Mike brought out the whiskey a little part of me thought, ah, wait, he’s got a plan…

And I think it’s pretty clear he did! Nacho just sized it up and realized no matter what happened next, he had no interest in that Gene life and didn’t want it for papa either.

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87. "Word word."
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>Though like I got into below, because it’s this writing
>staff and this franchise, when Mike brought out the whiskey a
>little part of me thought, ah, wait, he’s got a plan…
>
>And I think it’s pretty clear he did! Nacho just sized it up
>and realized no matter what happened next, he had no interest
>in that Gene life and didn’t want it for papa either.

Good points.

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65. "It's amazing how much tension they can extract from simple intrigue"
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It's so damn hard to make a scene from a prequel truly tense when you know "everybody" involved is gonna come out unscathed and this might be the very best example of how to make that work ever. Specifically because this franchise has always done that neat trick of, "we decided in the writer's room this was our situation, now how do we get out of it?" instead of "we want to get our characters into this situation, how do we put them there?"

It's subtle, but this episode felt like a meta-commentary on the whole thing. Sometimes you absolutely cannot escape the situation you're in, and it felt like this episode was all about Mike, Nacho and Saul realizing that they were all eventually going to die anyway. Nacho might be the only one that gets to do it on his terms 100%. Mike certainly didn't, though he tried to make it feel that way.


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67. "Seeing as how Kim choose to Break Bad similar to Nacho"
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I have a sneaking suspicion she's going to meet as sad an ending as Nacho did, especially since Saul seemingly choose to live in solitude in in the Breaking Bad universe well before he had to go on the run at the end. Not saying that she even dies, almost because I think that would be too obvious with Lalo taking her out, but I have a feeling she's not going to be as clever with the law as she thinks she is and her own hubris will end up bringing her down.

That cold open of Saul's house getting raided and him being all on his own was pretty potent in that regard, outside of all the obvious opulence that was being displayed.

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71. "I think she winds up ordering a Hoover Vac. "
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If you go back to the breaking bad scene where Walt asked Saul if
he ever had to order a vac before, and Saul said he had to do it
for a person awhile back, I believe Kim was that person.

Nacho is dead now, and we already know the fate of the other major
characters, so he had to be referring to Kim.....or to Nacho’s father,
but Nacho’s father isn’t the type to run or fear the Cartel, so I don’t
think it applies to him.

Saul survived because he is a lawyer. That’s what lawyers do. They know the
law, and they know how to negotiate and manipulate the law in both worlds (
laws of the court and the laws of the street). I think Kim will have that same fate.

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73. "Good catch !"
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>If you go back to the breaking bad scene where Walt asked
>Saul if
>he ever had to order a vac before, and Saul said he had to do
>it
>for a person awhile back, I believe Kim was that person.
>
>Nacho is dead now, and we already know the fate of the other
>major
>characters, so he had to be referring to Kim.....or to
>Nacho’s father,
>but Nacho’s father isn’t the type to run or fear the
>Cartel, so I don’t
>think it applies to him.

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77. "the *only * reason i'm hesitant on this"
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is that we don't have Forrester anymore. they're not replacing him, so unless he agreed to record some footage knowing they'll need it.
if I remember correctly, he looked pretty ill for the last Gene drop and El Camino.

  

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79. "I think they could find ways around that."
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Like just having a phone call without showing him in the shop. Or having a distant shot from the shop with someone who resembles him from afar, etc.

I like the theory and think they could pull it off without "replacing" him or doing a disservice to the storyline/scene(s). In fact I think as a storyline it makes a *ton* of sense and continues Gilligan's habit of constantly tying in important or long-running BB storylines.

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84. "Yea, Bob had a heart attack between shoots"
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Edit: this was supposed to be a reply to Numba right below. Damn bumpy bus ride!


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81. "Great point."
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If memory serves me right, the show had to delay shooting these last batch of episodes because of a health scare Odenkirk had. With that in mind, that lessens that chance of Kim getting that Hoover hook up.

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85. "Again, I think if it serves the story, they have an obligation to figure..."
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And I think that, depending on what happens with the characters in the interim, that there's a good chance that the Hoover storyline probably *does* serve the story, that there may be no way around it.

The writers and directors/producers are too good to just throw up their hands because of the unfortunate passing of the actor. If their original plan was to go the Hoover route with Kim, they'd figure out a way to get the job done without making his absence glaring.

But, I suppose a decent counterargument to what I'm saying could be that if the writers are that good, then they'd be able to find another direction to take Kim's story that serves the series/character and isn't a jarring left turn. I'll leave room for that possibility.

But in the above hypothetical - that the Hoover storyline was their original plan for Kim - I'd prefer they stick with that plan if it's what they believed was the proper ending in the first place, as opposed to changing the ending completely.

But no matter what they decide, I trust them to do it right. I'm not worried.

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99. "That's true, but I imagine they could do it without Forster."
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In BB, I seem to remember that Saul was pretty clear that he'd never met the guy before. Like I think he was surprised that there was actually a vacuum store. If Kim buys a vacuum, they might just show it from Saul's perspective, where she gets picked up in a mysterious Toyota minivan never to be seen again.

I certainly wish we could have more scenes with Robert Forster, though. The guy was amazing for that part, and for the Sheriff in S3 of Twin Peaks. I want more of both those characters.

  

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82. "Thus far, Kim has shown a reluctance"
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in giving up on Breaking Bad when she manages to convinces herself it's for a worthy cause. Her calling for the Hoover hookup as result of one of her schemes not working out or even worse being a source of danger to her would run counter to how her character as behaved so far.

I suppose we'll all have to wait until the Fall to see just how true our guesses are.

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88. "Fair point but I think if it's either that or death she'd take the Hoove..."
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Or better yet maybe Jimmy/Saul makes the decision for her to spare her life without her really knowing what she's signing up for.

You can kinda see the constant concern on his face this season when her ideas for the Howard plan are more extreme than his own haha. So I could see a world where he sets her up to be sent away and freed from certain death without her really being "in" on that plan, as a way to save her life even if it kills him not to have her around anymore.

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78. "Am I alone in not caring about the Saul/Kim storyline?"
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It feels like two loosely connected shows. Saul and Kim running their pranks. And the cartel business. And right now, only the cartel side is interesting to me.

I'm sure it will all come together soon. But I halfway want to hit fast forward when Saul gets on screen.

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80. "For this episode I completely forgot about Saul and Kim"
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When they first showed them I was like oh yeah these guys. I'm not sure why they are even going after him. Was this explained or are they only hinting that it will be good for people.

  

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90. "I mean the entire series explains it haha."
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>When they first showed them I was like oh yeah these guys.
>I'm not sure why they are even going after him. Was this
>explained or are they only hinting that it will be good for
>people.

Specifically season 5.

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98. "yeah i guess so lol"
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86. "not caring is a bridge too far. I'm more engaged by the cartel/crime stu..."
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as mista_k5 pointed out, this episode in particular was so intense on the Nacho stuff, Saul/Kim pretty much felt like filler.. I wouldn't hold it up as an example of how i always feel tho.

  

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89. "Yea I think you're alone lol."
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I think the most impressive part of this show is how the writers have, for basically all 6 seasons, made largely-mundane lawyer drivel seem just as interesting as all the action-packed, thrilling storylines from Breaking Bad.

So even if their story is a little slow *right now* relative to the other half of the show, I've been too interested in the Jimmy/Kim dynamic, and too invested in where their (really, her) story will end up for 5 seasons to be anything other than wholly interested and invested now. I need to know what happens, so I'm on the edge of my seat about every detail even if their story seems a little slower or more "boring" now relative to Nacho/the cartel. The writers have yet to fail any of us for nearly 15 years running now, so you just know that they'll make it all worth it in the end.

So yea - I think you're alone or at least in the very small minority there.

Edit: Full disclosure, I also am not a person who necessarily needs murder and drugs and that type of action to keep me interested in a show. In fact, as I kind of touched upon above, I find it way more impressive when writers are able to keep viewers engaged *without* all that shit.

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91. "In past seasons, Saul's shenanigans measured up to the cartel stuff to m..."
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This season is different. In the past, it was clear why Saul was doing what he was doing. This time, I don't get it (yet). Are they just having fun? Getting revenge?

Without a clear motivation, it's hard to really care too much. Although Kim's gradual turn is somewhat interesting.

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92. "Kim is getting off on pro bono lawyer work while fucking over big timers"
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She got a taste of how good it can feel to grift a big dog on the Mesa Verde case, then got an even bigger rush feeling like they got away clean from the cartel with that huge bag. You see how she watches Jimmy every time he takes from that bag, she's watching that rush dwindle away. HHM took the Sandpiper case from them and has it all gummed up in big time lawerly regulations between pals (remember that Schweickert or whatever dude is the defense lawyer and him and Howard are golf buddies and whatnot) so Kim sees the ultimate grift:

Embarrass Howard who has embarrassed both of them multiple times, take back control of the Sandpiper case and get the laywer fee payout on a like 9 or 10 figure settlement and do right by the senior citizens who've been screwed by the system (Kettlemans explosion was a reminder in a way).

I think if this season had come out at the scheduled time it'd be easier to remember/read all that. I admit I had to do like 3 minutes of wiki/recap scanning last week 'cause it felt like a reset in a way for me too. But it's very much the culmination of their relationship/marriage to take Hamlin out or "die" trying.


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93. "You covered what I was gonna say."
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I had to go back and revisit or re-read reviews of past seasons as well, to refresh my memory as to their true motivations. But it's all there, as you correctly outlined here.

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94. "Funny, I'm kinda the opposite."
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I enjoy all the cartel stuff, and Nacho is a fantastic character, brilliantly played. And Gus is Gus and Mike is Mike. But deep down the cartel story is getting a little monotonous to me. The twins have completely lost any sense of menace. Hector is still great but kinda predictable at this point. Lalo is fantastic but he hasn't been doing much this season other than sounding angry.

Again, I still enjoy that side of the show, but I feel like the really interesting stuff right now is centered around Kim. I was honestly disappointed that we didn't get more of that this week.

  

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95. "This is why the death of Nacho was premature in my opinion."
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We know the conclusion of everyone else, and even though the cartel storyline is
suspenseful and engaging, the familiarity with everyone doesn’t leave room for
a lot of surprises.

Lalo is all that is left of the cartel storyline to keep us wondering , because we don’t know what actually happened to him....It remains a strong story, but Saul/ Kim will
always be the goldmine of the show. There are still so many questions that need
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97. "Yea exactly. We've lived in that world for 15 years."
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>I enjoy all the cartel stuff, and Nacho is a fantastic
>character, brilliantly played. And Gus is Gus and Mike is
>Mike. But deep down the cartel story is getting a little
>monotonous to me. The twins have completely lost any sense of
>menace. Hector is still great but kinda predictable at this
>point. Lalo is fantastic but he hasn't been doing much this
>season other than sounding angry.
>
>Again, I still enjoy that side of the show, but I feel like
>the really interesting stuff right now is centered around Kim.
>I was honestly disappointed that we didn't get more of that
>this week.

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100. "I dunno, the twins are still pretty terrifying to me."
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I thought the oil truck scene was really well done. It didn't have the same impact of Hank's ambush but I was still on the edge of my seat.

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96. "the way season 5 ended….I get it"
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Saul’s desert escapade to get the $7 million with Mike saving him and then Lalo coming to his house and interrogating him. Yeah, that was intense and the Saul/Cartel storylines were one and the same at that point.

So to go seemingly backwards to this…yeah, I’ve been way more tuned into Nacho’s situation.

We’ll see where it goes though. I’m sure it will connect and make sense. These writers have damn near pitched two perfect games in a row.

  

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119. "I've slowly moved into this territory. "
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The scam in the previous episode was super goofy. This episode with the boxing match just....didnt do anything. Seems like the entire storyline could be cut and it really wouldnt make a difference. I just dont feel Howard is a bad enough character to believe all of this effort theyre putting into it. I guess it all depends on how they finish it, but so far its just meh

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355. "For me Saul / Kim is the more interesting story."
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We need the cartel shit for excitement, but slowly watching Kim's heel turn, and WATCHING Jimmy, knowing he feels responsible for turning a good woman bad....

I LOVE that shit.

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359. "Likewise. It's all very relatable."
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>We need the cartel shit for excitement, but slowly watching
>Kim's heel turn, and WATCHING Jimmy, knowing he feels
>responsible for turning a good woman bad....
>
>I LOVE that shit.

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101. "Ep 4 was one 'holy shit' moment after another!"
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* The opening scene had me totally confused. I love when they give us some totally surreal thing we won't understand until much later.

* Hamlin in therapy, talking about marriage issues? (He has a life outside of HHM?)

* Cliff politely asks how Jimmy is, lol.

* Wendy! Root beer!

* Spooge! That crystal works quick!

* Kim meets Mike! OMFG! And yes, she is made of sterner stuff.

BTW, I guess we now know that it probably wasn't Lalo who tailed them to the Kettlemans trailer in Ep 2. I'd been starting to wonder why he hadn't gone any further yet. He'll obviously show up in due time, though.

* Gus Fring as the evil Mr Rogers with a Bond villain passageway across the subdivision

* The office!

  

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102. "great direction by Seehorn too"
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Always one of my favorite traditions, when an awesome show in its final season lets its stars take a stab behind the camera and doesn't miss a beat


That Howard scam was goofy as hell, and I couldn't help but ask how Howard couldn't just use his psychologist's appointment log to prove that wasn't him with the prostitute, but also a great sight gag with the spray tan so whatever!


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104. "The Howard shit was so much fun. But that nagged at me too"
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>That Howard scam was goofy as hell, and I couldn't help but
>ask how Howard couldn't just use his psychologist's
>appointment log to prove that wasn't him with the prostitute,
>but also a great sight gag with the spray tan so whatever!

That bugged the hell out of me too, but it leads me to believe one of three things:

-That’s just a precursor to something else. This was round two, not the finishing blow.

The goal is to damage his reputation beyond repair, and perception can easily become reality for someone in his position.

-That, or there’s some other trick up their sleeve that will make even the seemingly airtight alibi a hard sell.

But then the third possibility had me rattled:

Howard and Cliff already suspect, well...Chicanery (BOOOM! lol), and are actively watching/waiting, letting Them hang themselves. Howard hasn’t shown that level of ruthless calculation, but it wouldn’t surprise me if the antics of last season put him on high alert, and that foresight is what leads to Kim’s “demise”- not the cartel. Kim get’s overly excited, thus careless, or she flat out overplays her hand, and that’s what does her in.

Or, of course, it was mostly face value and whatever additional wrinkles, they’re minor.

Regardless, I think there’s at least one more layer/angle to that.

  

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105. "The great meta moment in the episode"
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when Kim's character was angling her chair before the car gag to ensure Ed Begley's character had the perfect angle to see the setup was pretty good.

I have to admit I threw my hands up in the air with the whole parking sign switch up though. That took me out the episode a bit, which of course wasn't Seehorn's fault as she's not a writer on the show.

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103. "Fun ep. they ain’t slick though, I ain’t forget"
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Damn fine effort though, I’ll give them that

This show is such a brilliant balancing act of contrasting elements, it really is two shows in one

The Howard stuff in this one was peak Jimmy. The hair, the tan, the suit, Wendy, right down to the stroke of bad luck that he has to fix with duct tape

But the real kicker here, was the inclusion of Cliff, because it looks like Kim hooked him with his admission about his kid. And this was an episode that further solidified the most pleasant surprise that is Kim Wexler.

I certainly didn’t see her coming when I tuned into that first episode.

And once I saw what a string character she was, I certainly didn’t see her becoming both the angel *and* devil on Jimmy’s shoulder.

Frankly, there are are several credible paths for her from here. But one thing is for certain in my mind, she’s arguably the MVP of the show.

Sure, Bob/Jimmy/Saul is Cap. The anchor. The vet.

But Kim? She’s *Magic*. She’s been serving shit up left and right and now, Cap is playing her game.

And Mike’s right. She’s absolutely made of sterner stuff. Shit, the way.
she stepped to the guys tailing her was just the exclamation mark for that.

I love this show, even if those assholes did kill Nacho.

  

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110. "that intro was great"
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the music sucked you right in. it was funny when saul got in the car and yucked at the music. i was enjoying it when dude parked but someone when it came on with saul in the car i also cringed lol

i cant wait to see the fall out. theyre going to be caught right? im not sure if i want them to be or not.

this show is so good. cant wait for the next episode.

  

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106. "They went over the top with Saul/Kim’s latest caper "
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to try and taint Howard’s reputation.

Jimmy’s liquid tan and hair piece to impersonate Howard was excessive,
and somewhat silly. Jimmy has done some ridiculous things throughout
his life to manipulate people and situations, but this act has to be the most
ridiculous one when it comes to believability. Sure, it was entertaining, but
it hit too much on the corny radar for my taste.

I’ve never seen Gus this shook before. He didn’t even fear the cartel like this
when he was at war with them over his production of meth in Breaking Bad. He
stepped into the line of fire when the cartel was shooting at him, Jesse and Mike.
He gave zero focks. But in Better Call Saul he is scared as hell of Lalo.
He has an entire mercenary unit protecting and watching him wherever he goes.

Maybe their is a history of Lalo that he is familiar with that has him terrified. Lalo
needs an origin story similar to the one we got with Gus. Lalo is the smartest and
the most vicious of all the Salamancas,

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107. "it was pretty goofy"
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>to try and taint Howard’s reputation.
>
>Jimmy’s liquid tan and hair piece to impersonate Howard was
>excessive,
>and somewhat silly. Jimmy has done some ridiculous things
>throughout
>his life to manipulate people and situations, but this act has
>to be the most
>ridiculous one when it comes to believability. Sure, it was
>entertaining, but
>it hit too much on the corny radar for my taste.

Yeah, i feel like they timed it to counterbalance how heavy last week ended. As soon as they hit that motel. it was fun and all... but i can't lie, i mostly just wanted to get back to the Gus stuff from the cold open

>I’ve never seen Gus this shook before. He didn’t even fear
>the cartel like this
>when he was at war with them over his production of meth in
>Breaking Bad. He
>stepped into the line of fire when the cartel was shooting at
>him, Jesse and Mike.
>He gave zero focks. But in Better Call Saul he is scared as
>hell of Lalo.
>He has an entire mercenary unit protecting and watching him
>wherever he goes.
>
>Maybe their is a history of Lalo that he is familiar with that
>has him terrified. Lalo
>needs an origin story similar to the one we got with Gus. Lalo
>is the smartest and
>the most vicious of all the Salamancas,
>

Yeah, plus he knows Hector at least knows, which means even though Nacho bought him a bit of goodwill, but he doesn't know who else knows at this point. He doesn't really know if Lalo is gonna surface on his own, or just tell the Cartel.. as you said, he knows Lalo is smart, but not his exact play
Plus Gus knows Juan Bolsa tried to take out Lalo last season. The worst thing for Gus is obviously a full Salamanca take over

  

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108. "Kim Mike meet was stellar / What's Lalo's play?"
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has me going backwards like, wait, they've met, right?
when she hit up the car, i tought yeah these look like Mike's guys.
so good though

I have ZERO idea what Lalo's play is gonna be here. the great part is neither does Gus as smart as he is. I don't even think Mike has any clue. All they can do is prep.

Gus knows Hector knows... and maybe the twins (even though they don't). He can assume Juan Bolsa doesn't know because Gus knows Bolsa tried to take out Lalo last season... but he doesn't trust Bolsa enough to tell him, and obviously doesn't trust Eladio to tell him. Even if he did, he has no proof.

Does Lalo know (or suspect) it was Bolsa who tried to kill him last season? He's forever suspicious of everyone's motive... i'm sure it at least hit his radar.

Whatever the writers have planned here, i'm thankful for how much smarter they are than i am because i'm pretty clueless here lol. Wonder how Saul will play into all this

  

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109. "Every scene I’m like where the fock"
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is Lalo? We want Lalo! Is he still in Mexico? Did he go back to the shot up car?

This is bullshit. We didn’t get shit in regards to Lalo.

Kim and Mike meeting was so wired to me for some reason, and it was
also weird to Kim. I guess that was what the writers wanted to project.
It worked. Even Kim was like “wait a minute, you’re the parking attendant.”


Fock all that stuff. I want Lalo!

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111. "felt like this episode could've gone another half hour...'cause I'm curi..."
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About too much. What's Howard's play now? What's Kim's play now? Why'd Gus feel all suspect in his soon to be world class meth lab? What's the significance of Werner's parting gift to his wife? Will we her again? Have I ever seen an apartment that looked as expensive on the outside as it looked affordable on the inside? Is Francesca REALLY the person behind Saul's office's gaudy decor? REALLY?


All that and just one episode until we take a few months off. Ugh.


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112. "They sure set up a lot"
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I was enjoying it until it ended probably because of the same. I want to know what's next now!

I'm wondering if Jimmy will be aware that Howard has someone tailing him or if they will be able to catch him. I'm guessing Jimmy notices it but Kim tells him about Mike's guys and they assume that's what it is.

Any chance Jimmy agrees to work with the government and all of Breaking Bad he was feeding them intel? I'm sure there's a reason why that's a dumb question lol

What else has Tony Dalton had great/similar performances in? Hawkeye was too goofy but I need to see more of this. Good way to fill my viewing time until the second half of the season.

  

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114. "I'm guessing Mike's guys clock..."
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Howard's PI. They're still following them. Mike knows Jimmy and Kim are up to some antics, but they've never seen this guy. If Mike tells Gus there's some rando following Jimmy around, given Gus's current level paranoia, its bad news for that guy... and maybe even Howard if he's in the wrong place.

  

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115. "Great catch! I didn’t consider that, but I think you’re dead on."
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116. "that makes sense"
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122. "Yeah, that's what I guessed too"
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I could see Howard getting knocked off by Gus, and Kim splitting out of guilt. Or "buying a Hoover vacccum" so she doesn't get tied to anything.

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126. "RE: Yeah, that's what I guessed too"
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>I could see Howard getting knocked off by Gus, and Kim
>splitting out of guilt. Or "buying a Hoover vacccum" so she
>doesn't get tied to anything.

Part of me doesn't see Howard getting killed; mainly because of how open Jimmy was with the Saul Goodman character in the Breaking Bad universe. I suppose time will tell how wrong I am, but I find it hard for Jimmy to get as famous has he did in the Breaking Bad universe after a big time and fairly visible lawyer like Howard getting killed after tracking him down.

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134. "ANOTHER possibility..Mike told Kim to ignore the tail"
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it's possible she assumes it's Mike's guys and not Howard's guy and this blows up whatever trap they're trying to set for Howard.

  

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113. "2 more episodes. "
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i also thought it was one more but looks like 2 more before the break.

>Is Francesca REALLY the person
>behind Saul's office's gaudy decor? REALLY?

i too was a bit shocked by this

  

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117. "I had to do some reading to remember how Lalo found Margarethe"
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Season 4 feels like it was a lifetime ago. Forgot about how closely Lalo was snooping around Gus’s operatation, tailing Mike, how he’d talked to Werner on the phone, and that he got info from that travel wire.

I was trying to figure out last night about why he turned up in Germany and happened to meet Werner’s wife. Needed that refresher.

  

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139. "Thanks for this."
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I thought that came out of nowhere (him being @ her crib) so I'm glad you refreshed my memory on all of this.


>Season 4 feels like it was a lifetime ago. Forgot about how
>closely Lalo was snooping around Gus’s operatation, tailing
>Mike, how he’d talked to Werner on the phone, and that he
>got info from that travel wire.
>
>I was trying to figure out last night about why he turned up
>in Germany and happened to meet Werner’s wife. Needed that
>refresher.

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121. "There's something written on that gift"
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When Werner's wife comes home and is on the way upstairs, Lalo see the gift, picks it up and looks on the bottom of it real quick. So he probably saw something that's probably going to reconnect things to Gus.

Of course, we know in the longish term in won't matter, because when Breaking Bad starts Gus is still acting with impunity and Hector is largely irrelevant (even if the twins are still dangerous).

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124. ""In Liebe, deine Jungs.""
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"With love, your kids" or "your boys" or "your guys."

Presumably the guys who did the work underground.

Apparently Werner worked with those same guys a lot, enough to be kind of a father figure to them. Next time I rewatch the Werner season I'll be checking to see if he mentions anything about this then. But I do remember that Margarethe mentioned the Jungs when she was talking to Lalo (and her annoyance that none of them showed up to his funeral).

That was where Lalo found out both that those guys were really close to Werner, and something scared them bad -- presumably Gus, as we know.

The trophy didn't give names for the Jungs, but I think it had a label from the place that made it. So presumably Lalo is gonna track that person down and find the Jungs through them. Then all hell breaks loose.

  

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127. "will it be Kai who gives up the goods?"
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Kai told Mike he was right to kill Werner, and Mike clocked him for it
The other German shit on Mike to his face for what he did and Mike stood there and took it.

but I don't see the second guy wanting to get back at Mike via the world who killed his friend, though I definitely see Kai being salty enough about Mike hitting him to give Lalo whatever info he wants.

  

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130. "Kinda has to be"
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He's the only other one of the Germans that was even a character, or had a name. Plus, like you said, it will be the "irony" of someone who agreed that killing Werner was the right choice to end up fucking with the person who did it.

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133. "Kai will ask to sign up and join the cartel."
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And he'll be dead by the end of the episode.

  

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118. "This first half of the season has been a letdown. "
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Outside of Nacho's death this has been shockingly slow and boring for a final season. I dont mean from an action and violence standpoint. I'm just not sure why anyone cares about this Saul vs Howard storyline. It's boring and redundant. With this being the final season, with a break between halves after already having a long hiatus for the show, i'm just shocked it's been a bunch of nothing outside of Nacho. I'm getting in the line of finding it hard to care when Kim and Saul's hijinks story comes on. It seems like the last couple episodes have been "slow and boring but finish with a surprising scene of two characters meeting each other for the first time."

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120. "understandable. I'm choosing to trust the process "
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before this season when i checked last season's post, i was complaining about how the show was spinning it's wheels too much. The next epiodes blew my complaints out of the water. I'm not falling into this trap again lol.

I think part of it is the more this show intersects with BB, the more my mind is conditioned to expect Breaking Bad level pace. So the Nacho stuff happens and I'm like, yeah shit is on! Then we're back to Saul and Kim in the bathroom talking about Howard.

I'm not as frustrated as you, I enjoy even the mundane stuff but i definitely understand it.

  

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128. "I think im pissed they split the final season in half"
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So we waited two years to even get to the final season, and now the first half has been.....pretending Howard threw a hooker out of a moving car? I hope these last couple episodes knock it out of the park. I'd love to have my mind changed.

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129. "the break is only 6 weeks"
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I have confidence they'll deliver on this

  

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140. "Yes. They haven't let us down once in 15 years."
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Even if I'm sorta "meh" on the Jimmy/Kim v. Howard storyline, they're like 100+ episodes in the plus column and maybe 2 in the seemingly-minus. I'll take those odds.

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125. "I think I'm somewhat in your camp."
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Letdown would be a bit harsh to describe my opinion, but I'm a bit surprised at how goofy and childish the Howard pranks have been so far. The prior schemes from Jimmy have been a bit more clever than the stuff shown in the prior two episodes.

The writing crew has delivered in the past with dramatic storylines both in the Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul universes, so I'll continue to have faith that things will get better.

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123. "I think the endgame for the series is Lalo tracking down Jimmy in..."
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...Omaha. From "Breaking Bad," we do know that Jimmy knows Lalo isn't dead. And after everything went down in that series, we know Jimmy really is the last person standing with any connection to any of this stuff. Gus, Mike, Gus' henchmen, and all the other drug kingpins are all dead.

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131. "Interesting, execept that he mentions Ignacio too. "
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Saul mentions Nacho and Lalo.

So it's clear now that Saul either is unaware that Nacho is dead in BB, or is referencing something older.

I wouldn't rely to heavily on that BB utterance for much.

But Lalo tracking him down post-BB would be interesting.

  

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132. "i'd say they're bound to it somewhat"
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it was obv so random shit they threw out there at the time since Saul as never meant to be a long term character.

but i think since so many people know about that line at this point, that they've already built characters off it, they can't veer from it *too* much.

it's not like, say, Mike's grandaughter who has been the same age for 10 years

  

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142. "Agreed. I’m speaking in terms of guessing whether Lalo is still alive ..."
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The favt that Saul mentions them, doesn’t really indicate that they’re necessarily still alive. Nacho is dead, I wouldn’t lean on that to tell us whether or not Lalo is alive.

  

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144. "ahh, yeah i misunderstood. i think Gus's confidence level alone"
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in the BB timeline vs now is enough for me to believe Lalo is dead, and that that it was at the hands of Gus or Mike

as cool as it would be the see Lalo in the Gene universe, it's nearly impossible imagine Lalo being alive through the duration of BB. It would also make sense that Saul is out of the loop on this info (Nacho too for that matter).

I also believe there's a missing piece we haven't seen yet that solidifies Mike's loyalty to Gus. Gus does something for him at some point and it may have to do with both Lalo and Mike's family.

  

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145. "Yeah, Lalo won't make it to the BB era."
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Gus's exchange with Hector after he killed Don Eladio would have been very different if Lalo was still alive. There's not much that they say unequivocally in this show, but the way Gus told Hector "The Salamanca name dies with you" doesn't leave much wiggle room.

Whether Saul/Jimmy knows about Lalo's death is a different question. In the Better Call Saul episode of BB, he clearly thought Lalo might still be alive. But given the past history of thinking Lalo's dead and finding out otherwise that doesn't mean much.


Good idea about Gus doing something to earn Mike's trust. I think you might be on to something there. Mike's trust and respect for Gus have clearly been wearing thin lately.

  

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146. "Yup. Joaquin Salamanca was the last one"
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>Gus's exchange with Hector after he killed Don Eladio would
>have been very different if Lalo was still alive. There's not
>much that they say unequivocally in this show, but the way Gus
>told Hector "The Salamanca name dies with you" doesn't leave
>much wiggle room.

Hector's nephew Joaquin was a random soldado that Jesse shot when they were escaping, but Gus was very clear when he broke it down to Hector that it was the only family he had left (luckily for the writers Gus named off Eladio's guys and not all the dead Salmancas lol)

>Good idea about Gus doing something to earn Mike's trust. I
>think you might be on to something there. Mike's trust and
>respect for Gus have clearly been wearing thin lately.

it's definitely one of the more surprising things to find out that they were ever this shaky.
Even bringing Mike back into the fold after he got stabbed felt a bit flimsy. I can't imagine they won't find a way to lock it in.

  

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147. "Maybe he was alive in season 2 of BB"
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but died before Season 4?

  

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148. "ha.. nice point. possibly? "
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before we meet Gus.
BB takes place over a condensed period 2 years (mostly over one year), so the timeline between 2 and 4 is a couple/few months. don't remember how far along Skylar was.

one thing that doesn't bode well for Lalo is that mentions to Hector before he was going back to Mexico that Tuco was getting out soon, and that he was gonna make sure Tuco wasn't getting high.

The episode where we meet Hector, Tuco's cousins (I'm assuming the murder twins) were headed over. Do you remember why? Could it have something to do with Lalo? or was it just to pick up Hector?

  

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149. "RE: ha.. nice point. possibly? "
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>before we meet Gus.
>BB takes place over a condensed period 2 years (mostly over
>one year), so the timeline between 2 and 4 is a couple/few
>months. don't remember how far along Skylar was.
>
>one thing that doesn't bode well for Lalo is that mentions to
>Hector before he was going back to Mexico that Tuco was
>getting out soon, and that he was gonna make sure Tuco wasn't
>getting high.
>
>The episode where we meet Hector, Tuco's cousins (I'm assuming
>the murder twins) were headed over. Do you remember why? Could
>it have something to do with Lalo? or was it just to pick up
>Hector?

Ha, I’m about to be rewatching BB season 2-4 looking for any possible clues about if Lalo could’ve just died.

  

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156. "Oh excellent call."
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>Gus's exchange with Hector after he killed Don Eladio would
>have been very different if Lalo was still alive. There's not
>much that they say unequivocally in this show, but the way Gus
>told Hector "The Salamanca name dies with you" doesn't leave
>much wiggle room.


>Good idea about Gus doing something to earn Mike's trust. I
>think you might be on to something there. Mike's trust and
>respect for Gus have clearly been wearing thin lately.

^^ also agree here, that's a great call. His loyalty is undying so it has to be related to the family somehow. That's the only thing he cares about.

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141. "Him mentioning Nacho also tracks."
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As in, "I didn't do it! It was the dead guy!" That works with him knowing Lalo was still alive.

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135. "So, has Gus considered the possibility that Lalo is in Germany?"
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When I first watched the episode I thought it was so surprising for Lalo to be in Germany, Gus and Mike couldn't have thought of that. And that still seems to be the implication they're pushing on us.

But then I noticed one of those "explainer" stories online, and the headline referred to the "Spice Curls" scene.

Early in the episode, while Gus was trying to distract himself, he went to work the cash registers. He upsold that guy on their "signature spice curls!" The guy agreed to add them to the order, and then Gus suddenly started to panic and stare into space (until someone dropped some trays and caused a distraction).

At the time, not remembering that there was some evidence to be found for Lalo in Germany, this just seemed like another case of Gus being so worried that he can't think straight.

But in the timeline of the show, Gus visited Germany to introduce the Signature Spice Curls (c) to the Madrigal board and other restaurants just a few weeks earlier.

So was his panic brought on by a thought like "Oh shit, what are we doing about the Germans?!"

It certainly doesn't seem like he's convinced that Lalo is in Germany, because Gus continued to wander around paranoid for the rest of the episode, and didn't (apparently) bring the issue up with Mike. It seems like if he was sure about this he'd have Mike on the next plane to deal with the Jungs.

  

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136. "Yeah, Spice Curl orderer likely saved the empire"
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wouldn't say he's *convinced* but it's a loose end that's fucking him up because he knows Lalo is definitely smart enough to follow that thread.

but time has passed, so sending Mike off to chase this down seems like too big a risk. He's also so much more vulnerable at home without Mike running point.
Even Walt only got to Gus because Mike was sidelined.

  

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137. "True."
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And I guess Gus's trip down to the hole in the ground is a sign that he's thinking about the lab and the fact that Lalo probably wants more evidence about it.

Wouldn't surprise me if by the next episode the whole thing was filled in with dirt again. I don't know how one dramatizes a "missing hole," but I'm sure these guys could do it.

  

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138. "Absolutely "
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Notice what he did after going back to the lab….checked the light cord and measured paces over to the excavator where he hid the gun. He’s expecting Lalo to track him there. He might even lure Lalo there at this point.

  

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150. "Can't lie, I'm getting a kinda impatient now"
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it's probably the being accustomed to penultimate episodes really popping, and this kinda felt like another wheel spinning set up episode. similar to last week.

I really don't need to see the film school kids again. More Lalo, please. Fuck them kids

We got our first hint of Best Quality Vacuum. Also, i'm gonna assume Mike's instincts are correct to watch his fam. Still thinking whatever happens here will solidify his undying loyalty to Gus.

it's not as concerning knowing the break is only 6 weeks but still the pacing feels a bit off.

  

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151. "first time in a long time I was totally caught off guard a TV ep was ove..."
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Especially because I'm watching on the AMC app this season and it has a weird habit of putting the Next Week On...teaser before the end credits half the time and I've never watched those in my life, plus the app's kinda janky in general so I wasn't sure it hadn't popped accidentally at first.


I wish they'd just done this mid-season finale as a kind of TV movie if it was gonna get sliced this way. I'd take 7 weeks off in return for wrapping up whatever this is because unlike some of y'all I'm really curious what the play is.


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165. "i'm definitely curious what the play is"
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it just feels dragged out. mentioned before but think part of it is having BB and Saul converge. BB was at such a constant "Holy fuck, what now?" pace, and Saul has alwasys been more of a slow burn. The more the show veers into the former, the more impatient i feel for the latter.

>I wish they'd just done this mid-season finale as a kind of TV
>movie if it was gonna get sliced this way. I'd take 7 weeks
>off in return for wrapping up whatever this is because unlike
>some of y'all I'm really curious what the play is.

  

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152. "Personally, I love the slow burn."
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I actually think this was my favorite episode of the season so far, just because every storyline (except Nacho, I guess) is in a state of maximum tension and uncertainty. I actually wondered for a few seconds if Lalo was gonna die! (And then ... oh yeah, it's Lalo.)

I do kinda worry that they might have placed too much dramatic burden on the "D-Day" event. I have almost no idea what's gonna happen in that conference room, but for two episodes now they've pretty much openly said this is gonna be the most surprising turn in either series.

Unrelated: all those references to Nebraska and Omaha in this episode seem like more misdirection. It's making me suspicious of my long-held assumption that Gene would unite with Martha (or whatever her name might be) in the end. I'm starting to think Kim might not make it that far. Omaha might be a state of mind.

  

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158. "I like the slow burn too, but the storyline isn't all that convincing an..."
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But as I mentioned in a couple other posts I trust this showrunning team/the writers so much that I'm all but certain I'll be happy and/or blown away by the time it's all wrapped up.


>I actually think this was my favorite episode of the season so
>far, just because every storyline (except Nacho, I guess) is
>in a state of maximum tension and uncertainty. I actually
>wondered for a few seconds if Lalo was gonna die! (And then
>... oh yeah, it's Lalo.)
>
>I do kinda worry that they might have placed too much dramatic
>burden on the "D-Day" event. I have almost no idea what's
>gonna happen in that conference room, but for two episodes now
>they've pretty much openly said this is gonna be the most
>surprising turn in either series.

Wait huh what now ? What are you referring to in that last sentence ? Did someone say this in an interview ?

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161. "Nah, nothing so explicit."
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I mean I guess I remember seeing some headlines weeks ago with people saying midseason would be bleak and shocking.

But as for my comment, I guess the "pretty much" was doing a lot of work there. I just meant things like how Kim gets so serious, and Jimmy gets so anxious, whenever they allude to what they're really planning. Like when Jimmy complained about how silly it felt to turn around and box Howard, and Kim implies that he felt bad for Howard, because he "knows what's coming." Or the sketch of a mushroom cloud on one of the Post-it notes. Or the fact that (as everyone keeps noting with increasing annoyance), the majority of five of the six episodes so far have been cryptically devoted to setting up this one moment. They're calling it D-Day to remind the audience that this isn't just supposed to be a pivotal moment, it's a moment that Jimmy and Kim have spent months very carefully planning. (And from what little military history I know: the D-Day invasion also involved a massive misdirection campaign, with Patton commanding an army of mostly inflatable decoy tanks.)

And as you said below, we really don't know WHY Kim is so obsessed with this. Howard was kind of a dick to her for a few episodes last season, but it doesn't make sense for this all to be about that. It's starting to feel to me like the goal is just pure destruction, and Jimmy sees it but he's too scared to say it.

They reminded us about her childhood, and I've been saying I expect that to loom large in her motivations. But there's a lot to fill in between "Mom was okay with me stealing earrings." and "I want to destroy a powerful but silly man, who paid for my legal education, just because I can. And I'll even throw away the biggest opportunity I've ever had, doing good work that I can be proud of, just so that I can be sure this goes to plan."

The fact that it doesn't make sense is what makes it so intriguing for me.

  

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162. "Gotcha. Good explanation, I get what you're saying."
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I just read this review of the episode which I also think clarified some of the motivations for me, and also put a lot of the "what the hell is taking so long" into some perspective.

https://www.avclub.com/better-call-saul-review-season-6-episode-6-axe-and-g-1848934303

(Unrelated, but in addition to this observation from the above article:

"Saul star Giancarlo Esposito made his TV drama directorial debut with 'Axe And Grind,' and one of my favorite single shots of the season so far is when Jimmy sends Kim off to Santa Fe for her meeting with the Jackson-Mercer Foundation people, and in the background is a view of two crossed wires, looking like they’re making an X over Kim and Jimmy’s apartment. I suppose that could just be a coincidence, or it could mean there’s more trouble ahead at Casa McGill."

... there was also the moment when Jimmy and Kim kissed after she told him about the meeting for the foundation, a kiss which was abruptly ended by Casper's axe, which seemingly came down right in between Jimmy and Kim. That was jarring. I wonder what, if anything, they're foreshadowing with these two camera tricks. Or if it's a red herring type of directorial decision.


>I mean I guess I remember seeing some headlines weeks ago
>with people saying midseason would be bleak and shocking.
>
>But as for my comment, I guess the "pretty much" was doing a
>lot of work there. I just meant things like how Kim gets so
>serious, and Jimmy gets so anxious, whenever they allude to
>what they're really planning. Like when Jimmy complained about
>how silly it felt to turn around and box Howard, and Kim
>implies that he felt bad for Howard, because he "knows what's
>coming." Or the sketch of a mushroom cloud on one of the
>Post-it notes. Or the fact that (as everyone keeps noting with
>increasing annoyance), the majority of five of the six
>episodes so far have been cryptically devoted to setting up
>this one moment. They're calling it D-Day to remind the
>audience that this isn't just supposed to be a pivotal moment,
>it's a moment that Jimmy and Kim have spent months very
>carefully planning. (And from what little military history I
>know: the D-Day invasion also involved a massive misdirection
>campaign, with Patton commanding an army of mostly inflatable
>decoy tanks.)
>
>And as you said below, we really don't know WHY Kim is so
>obsessed with this. Howard was kind of a dick to her for a few
>episodes last season, but it doesn't make sense for this all
>to be about that. It's starting to feel to me like the goal is
>just pure destruction, and Jimmy sees it but he's too scared
>to say it.
>
>They reminded us about her childhood, and I've been saying I
>expect that to loom large in her motivations. But there's a
>lot to fill in between "Mom was okay with me stealing
>earrings." and "I want to destroy a powerful but silly man,
>who paid for my legal education, just because I can. And I'll
>even throw away the biggest opportunity I've ever had, doing
>good work that I can be proud of, just so that I can be sure
>this goes to plan."
>
>The fact that it doesn't make sense is what makes it so
>intriguing for me.

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163. "Yeah and I get why so many are becoming impatient."
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So many of the pieces just don't fit together yet. So whether it's all worth it will depend on whether they bring fire next week (and, to a lesser extent, later on in the season). That's why I said higher up that I'm worried they might have raised the stakes too far.

But it seems like all of us agree that this team has the rare capacity to tie up impossible stories in a satisfying way. So I'm mostly just excited to see how they do it.

EDIT: Oh and yeah I just rewatched that shot with Caspar chopping wood. Somehow I didn't notice it the first time, but I think you're absolutely right. What it'll mean is hard to predict. This is real postmodern cinema. Dramatic foreshadowing still works, but we in the audience are always looking for it (especially in episodic TV). And they know we're looking for it, and we know they know we're looking for it. So now we get to see it, savor it, make up little stories in our own heads, and wonder for another week whether it's all a red herring.

  

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153. "I'm hoping"
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>We got our first hint of Best Quality Vacuum.

the writers and show runners won't be this on the nose with foreshadowing the use of the vacuum service for Kim. That would be a bit too much IMO.

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160. "Yeah they were a bit too deliberate in having Saul clock it"
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it makes me think you may be right with the foreshadowing, as opposed to just a quick easter egg. It seems like something where they would normally just leave us at "ah shit, was that...?"

>>We got our first hint of Best Quality Vacuum.
>
>the writers and show runners won't be this on the nose with
>foreshadowing the use of the vacuum service for Kim. That
>would be a bit too much IMO.

  

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192. "At whim, I watched a breakdown for this week's episode"
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on Youtube and according to the breakdown, the little black book was one of the times the FBI was sifting through during Jimmy's/Saul's raid.

It appears I am unfortunately wrong. If Kim does in fact use the vacuum service, it would have been more impactful if it came up out the blue rather than such an obvious and up front reference to it. IMO, it's not something that Breaking Bad folks need a reminder of since it was such an major story point from the last Breaking Bad season plus it was used in that El Camino movie as well.

Would be interesting if the vacuum is a red herring just to throw viewers off.

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155. "Yeah I didn't enjoy this episode at all"
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I felt very impatient the whole time "get to the point!!" Next week looks like it will be a big one though.

This one felt like most of the episode would have worked as cutaways in other episodes. Didn't feel like there was one main story this episode that kept you interested.



I'm confused about a few things. Did Jimmy somehow know that Howard would hire the PI to take pictures and that's why they set it up this way? Is it just a coincidence? Why does Kim need to be physically there to make it happen that day??

It was kind of good seeing Lalo take a hit. I had wondered if there was any chance he would be taken out in that scene but I figured not. That fake out was savage though.

  

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164. "i *thnk* so?"
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>I'm confused about a few things. Did Jimmy somehow know that
>Howard would hire the PI to take pictures and that's why they
>set it up this way? Is it just a coincidence? Why does Kim
>need to be physically there to make it happen that day??

it seems they wanted to make it look like Jimmy was paying off the judge. they planned on Howard being on to them (minus the boxing part), so i guess they assumed his next move would be to have them followed by his investigator. The broken arm threw a wrench in it. I have no idea what the larger plan is though and how it all comes together.

>It was kind of good seeing Lalo take a hit. I had wondered if
>there was any chance he would be taken out in that scene but I
>figured not. That fake out was savage though.

yeah i considered for a second he could fall, i was like nahh. can't be.. can it? lol

  

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166. "RE: i *thnk* so?"
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What I'm thinking is that Jimmy knows the PI and actually had him introduce himself to Howard before all this. That's how Jimmy expected it and how he had the photos.

If Jimmy had someone else take the photos and it has nothing to do with the PI then I don't know. Maybe Jimmy and the gang retake the shots with the fake cast but when they send them in Howard has the first (and I guess second) photos that didn't have the cast from his PI so more proof against Jimmy.

Next week is sure to be fun.

If Lalo had been taken out in the woods I think fans would had rioted but it would have been kind of funny.

  

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168. "yeah i forgot Jimmy was looking at the photos"
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so you're probably right

>If Lalo had been taken out in the woods I think fans would had
>rioted but it would have been kind of funny.

lol yeah

  

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169. "Oh great call."
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>What I'm thinking is that Jimmy knows the PI and actually had
>him introduce himself to Howard before all this. That's how
>Jimmy expected it and how he had the photos.

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157. "Haha yea this episode made me think "maybe this storyline *is* stale""
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I was thinking of everyone in here who said the Kim/Jimmy storyline was awful, and starting to agree, while watching last nite. Not only in terms of what you said about this episode being seemingly pretty redundant, but also in terms of what was said previously about their Howard Hate being totally unreasonable/kinda unbelievable.

Cuz unless I'm forgetting something, Howard isn't nearly *THAT BAD* that Kim would torpedo an absolutely incredible opportunity just to finish the "D-Day" (horrible name, too) job, or whatever.

I dunno. Last nite's episode was prolly my least favorite of the entire series, but maybe I'll have my foot in my mouth when it's all over.


>it's probably the being accustomed to penultimate episodes
>really popping, and this kinda felt like another wheel
>spinning set up episode. similar to last week.
>
>I really don't need to see the film school kids again. More
>Lalo, please. Fuck them kids
>
>We got our first hint of Best Quality Vacuum. Also, i'm gonna
>assume Mike's instincts are correct to watch his fam. Still
>thinking whatever happens here will solidify his undying
>loyalty to Gus.
>
>it's not as concerning knowing the break is only 6 weeks but
>still the pacing feels a bit off.

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174. "Exactly. That's why it's so confusing. "
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Howard may be annoying but in no way was he ever bad enough, or do anything evil enough, to make this storyline believable. It's just not authentic. As a viewer i have zero reason to believe Howard deserves this or that Kim would be this committed to going after Howard.

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154. "Giancarlo used some great camera angles"
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in last night's episode. Hopefully he will get to direct more TV dramas going forward. Some of the shots from last night's episodes were top notch. Specifically, I'm referring to the opening scene with Howard and his wife and one specific shot of Saul's front door signage making a shadow on the wall when Kim visited Saul's office late at night.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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159. "Speaking of the opening scene @ Howard's house ..."
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... wasn't that the same house that was in the opening scene of the season, which seemingly had all of Saul's shit in it ?


>in last night's episode. Hopefully he will get to direct more
>TV dramas going forward. Some of the shots from last night's
>episodes were top notch. Specifically, I'm referring to the
>opening scene with Howard and his wife and one specific shot
>of Saul's front door signage making a shadow on the wall when
>Kim visited Saul's office late at night.

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167. "i don't think it was but i'm not 100%"
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I don't have AMC so i've been watching these with someone else, so i can't go back and check lol.

One thing i did notice in the way they shot the Howard house with the dark hallway and the kitchen, reminded so much of a much nicer version of the Walt/Skylar house.

>... wasn't that the same house that was in the opening scene
>of the season, which seemingly had all of Saul's shit in it ?

but damn if you're right, that's some shit lol

  

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170. "I'll have to go back and watch each scene, it's killing me hah."
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And I can't find anything online about it.

I'll report back.

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171. "I actually think you might be right on this. "
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I dismissed this idea at first, but the more I think of what we saw of these two places, the more plausible it seems.

That front driveway area, where someone carried a cutout of Saul to a dumpster, that looked pretty similar to what we saw of the driveway (in very different lighting) when Jimmy was throwing the bowling balls over the wall. I'll have to rewatch and see if they had a shot in the kitchen in ep 1; I think that would settle things.

It could be that they shot in the same house just to save money and/or time, and they don't mean for it to represent the same house in the show. But it could also be one last insult to Howard. I guess it sounds like Howard and his wife are moving quickly toward a divorce, which will probably mean selling that house (just since it's so big and probably too valuable to subdivide the assets).

  

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172. "IIRC, they showed that exact same driveway view last nite !"
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>That front driveway area, where someone carried a cutout of
>Saul to a dumpster, that looked pretty similar to what we saw
>of the driveway (in very different lighting) when Jimmy was
>throwing the bowling balls over the wall. I'll have to rewatch
>and see if they had a shot in the kitchen in ep 1; I think
>that would settle things.
>
>It could be that they shot in the same house just to save
>money and/or time, and they don't mean for it to represent the
>same house in the show. But it could also be one last insult
>to Howard. I guess it sounds like Howard and his wife are
>moving quickly toward a divorce, which will probably mean
>selling that house (just since it's so big and probably too
>valuable to subdivide the assets).

^^^ this is kinda what I got to thinking during that whole scene last nite.

And like I said in the subject line, what made me think of this was that I am pretty sure the opening of this season (the emptying of Saul's house) showed the exact same view of the driveway (or close to it) as they did last nite when the scene in Howard's house began, like just before they switched to the kitchen scene. I didn't even think of the bowling balls thing but you may be right about that as well. I'm just talking ep1's opening scene from this season vs. last nite's ep.

I'm like 75% sure this is the case. Obviously I assume Saul's house was a little more ... gaudy (IIRC, the columns were in gold lol) but I can't get it out of my head.

I'm gonna firm this up tonite and report back haha. This would be possibly my best independently-made catch ever on a show, especially since I can't really seem to find anyone else online who's mentioned it. So I'm selfishly hoping I'm right for that reason more than anything else haha.

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186. "Update: it is absolutely *not* the same house lol."
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The way the house/driveway wraps is like, sorta similar ? But I imagine that's just the way a lot of rich people houses are built in NM, or something.

Sorry for wasting your time haha.

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173. "They literally could have made the last 3 eps into one episode. "
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This is def the lowest quality season so far (which is still better than most other shows, i think?). But this season has been a massive draaaaaaaaaaag. I dont see how the final episode makes up for it. This Howard storyline is just a massive L. No one can convince me they actually care about how it plays out, besides the Kim ending. Lalo being MIA most of the season and then running around Germany for a couple scenes is also meh. Saul has always been a slow burn but the storylines never felt like they could be tossed completely or condensed until this first half of episodes.

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175. "This storyline is actually making me root for Howard over Saul"
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It's just not believable that Howard deserves any of this.

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176. "Haha right ! Christ."
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177. "Yeah, been saying that for a minute. I mean Howard's kinda douchey"
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but it's hard to think of anything he's actually done to deserve all this smoke.

If i remember right the big reveal in earlier seasons is that it Chuck used Howard to be the bad guy holding Jimmy back, when it was Chuck all along.

Plus we're getting more glimpses of Howard as a real person (his therapy, his home life). We see Jimmy was at least initially uncomfortable in going this hard against him.

but I'm not convinced this some kind of miscalculation on the writer's part. They're doing this by design but i don't know what their play is

  

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179. "True. Only thing giving me confidence."
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>but I'm not convinced this some kind of miscalculation on the
>writer's part. They're doing this by design but i don't know
>what their play is

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180. "I think that’s the point "
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While he is charismatic, he’s a scumbag and they’re showing that transformation is pretty much complete.

  

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181. "Yeah that was the only thing I could get from it."
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The viewer is supposed to slowly come to terms with the fact that Howard hasn't done anything to deserve this and Saul has transformed into somewhat of a scumbag. On his way to full blown scumbag. I'm assuming Kim will change her mind or bring about her own downfall.

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187. "To this point tho, Kim