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Melanism
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"Succession: SEASON THREE"


          

A great start.

Kendall is already going off the rails with manic energy and I wonder if his casual reference to the crime at the finale of season one ("The Juice is loose!") is a sign of things to come.
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Kendall is batshit
Oct 18th 2021
1
Shiv knew her getting the spot was contingent on delivering the lawyee
Oct 18th 2021
2
She's gonna flip for sure. n/m
Oct 18th 2021
4
      That was basically revealed end of Episode 1.
Oct 20th 2021
6
I thought Kendall was sorta wylin and then I rewatched it
Oct 18th 2021
3
      Kendall joking “Who said I never killed anyone?”…
Oct 20th 2021
7
           Haha totally. That shit was laugh out loud funny.
Oct 20th 2021
8
                Greg with the “what character is that” was sneaky hilarious
Oct 20th 2021
9
                him shouting that literally made me gasp lol
Oct 20th 2021
10
Great call. Logan did say "killer."
Oct 19th 2021
5
Oh how i missed this horrible family...
Oct 20th 2021
11
Yeah i had no idea just how much i've missed this show
Oct 20th 2021
12
first episode flew by. made me want to start from S1 all over again.
Oct 20th 2021
13
      I'm gonna have to because i've forgotten so much
Oct 21st 2021
14
           yeah. I'm almost through S2 again
Oct 23rd 2021
18
what was your guy's take on Roman's call?
Oct 22nd 2021
15
Logan wanted him to want it ruthlessly imo
Oct 22nd 2021
16
He ain't a killer
Oct 22nd 2021
17
Shiv got Saddam as her dad's contact photo lol
Oct 24th 2021
19
this ep was the only ep where I had a visceral
Oct 25th 2021
20
Fuck him. Connor is a special embodiement of evil IMO
Nov 30th 2021
108
      He's the classic awful guy who's convinced he's a good guy.
Nov 30th 2021
112
second episode was just off
Oct 26th 2021
21
The bedroom scene seemed great to me.
Oct 26th 2021
22
Literally felt the same but ok
Oct 27th 2021
23
It was a bit off but the rewatch hit for me
Oct 28th 2021
26
Tom definitely gets it now
Oct 28th 2021
24
Nahhhh did you hear how he talked to her on the phone ?!
Oct 28th 2021
25
I just rewatched S1E1 and...
Oct 28th 2021
27
the donuts
Oct 28th 2021
28
Tom ? Or maybe Gerri
Oct 28th 2021
29
i think they came right after Roman got off the phone with Gerri
Oct 28th 2021
30
I think Tom sent them.
Oct 29th 2021
31
RE: the donuts
Oct 31st 2021
32
      He wanted Shiv to give a pubic display of affection at the airport
Nov 01st 2021
33
I didn't think Kendall would collapse so quickly
Nov 01st 2021
34
I mean, he's an addict who's exhibiting addict behavior
Nov 02nd 2021
35
      his cringe level is off the charts
Nov 02nd 2021
36
           Naomi sucks and is bad for Kendall
Nov 03rd 2021
37
           He killed someone and laughed about it in the first ep this season lol
Nov 04th 2021
40
                we've all rooted for/sided with characters who have done far worse
Nov 04th 2021
41
                     Yea there's gotta be something to that for sure.
Nov 04th 2021
42
                          yeah, but Logan also knows its mutually assured destruction
Nov 04th 2021
45
                               Oh great call.
Nov 04th 2021
46
This is probably the first time where Roman is...
Nov 03rd 2021
38
yeah, more not-a-killer energy from Roman
Nov 03rd 2021
39
Romulus is a weird situation
Nov 04th 2021
44
I think his unwillingness to go scorched earth actually shows the maturi...
Nov 04th 2021
47
      Yeah i agree
Nov 04th 2021
48
           Right exactly.
Nov 05th 2021
50
I see it much more as him cowering to Logan
Nov 30th 2021
109
      Correct.
Nov 30th 2021
113
Honestly? Right today Connor is the most sympatheic
Nov 04th 2021
43
      I'll give Connor credit. he's a piece of shit, but his siblings
Nov 08th 2021
56
You're HOVERING
Nov 04th 2021
49
Kendall about to let Logan die rather than ask for water for him
Nov 07th 2021
51
RE: Kendall about to let Logan die rather than ask for water for him
Nov 08th 2021
52
It was clear that Kendall was trying to be *like* Logan but...
Nov 08th 2021
53
They really nailed Adrien Brody's character / he really nailed it
Nov 08th 2021
54
yup
Nov 08th 2021
55
his turn was great
Nov 09th 2021
57
RE: his turn was great
Nov 10th 2021
60
      Same.
Nov 10th 2021
61
i def beieved he was the kinda asshole who'd make an old man
Nov 09th 2021
58
he made an immediate impact
Nov 09th 2021
59
Tom either gonna commit suicide or spill everything to the FBI
Nov 12th 2021
62
I think Greg is trying to play the game.
Nov 12th 2021
63
RE: Tom either gonna commit suicide or spill everything to the FBI
Nov 12th 2021
64
I think we're getting played a bit re: Greg
Nov 12th 2021
65
Yea totally agreed.
Nov 12th 2021
66
I agree. I'm of the "If it didn't happen on screen, then it didn't happe...
Nov 13th 2021
67
Well,we got Stannis'd. Oh well. We're suing Green Peace!
Nov 15th 2021
69
Yeah they wouldve showed him sign something if it happened
Nov 14th 2021
68
Shiv not wanting to have a baby with Tom = Kendall not buying the watch
Nov 16th 2021
70
      Shiv doesn't want a kid with Tom because she doesn't want to be locked d...
Nov 16th 2021
71
crazy just how incompetent everyone is
Nov 16th 2021
72
dunno why Greg's "He's so annoying!"
Nov 18th 2021
73
LOL cracked me up too and I think you nailed it.
Nov 18th 2021
74
      Lol now i'll have to watch that part again
Nov 20th 2021
75
Tom/Kendall
Nov 22nd 2021
76
bold(?) prediction: throws HIMSELF under the bus w/r/t Chappaquidick
Nov 22nd 2021
77
      I like this prediction
Nov 22nd 2021
80
      No doubt.
Nov 24th 2021
85
"Carrie, get Shiv a fucking medal" loooooooooooooool
Nov 22nd 2021
78
Shiv's going to join Team Kendall. It's only a matter of when
Nov 23rd 2021
84
      No question.
Nov 24th 2021
86
actually felt pretty deflated at the end of this ep
Nov 22nd 2021
79
same. that shit felt waaay too real
Nov 23rd 2021
82
AGREE.
Nov 24th 2021
87
      The conclusion of this NPR episode recap sums up my feelings lol.
Nov 24th 2021
89
      Lol i get that but i kinda love that they're getting into this
Nov 24th 2021
90
           Oh I hear you for sure. It was an excellent episode.
Nov 27th 2021
95
      umm...who is she???!! lol
Nov 24th 2021
91
      Hahaha gotcha. Agreed.
Nov 27th 2021
93
      another thing was the way Kendall spoke to Lisa
Nov 24th 2021
92
           Oh god no question. That was brutal to watch.
Nov 27th 2021
94
           Kendall's the type of dude who'll fistbump the valet...
Nov 28th 2021
96
                Haha totally.
Nov 30th 2021
114
Tom hit Kendal with the sh*t that made his soul burn slow...
Nov 22nd 2021
81
Roman looking more competent but so much for the whole human thing
Nov 23rd 2021
83
      All of this.
Nov 24th 2021
88
there's bigger people and things to unpack, but...Naomi is driving me nu...
Nov 28th 2021
97
I thought she was going to be really interesting after the first ep
Nov 30th 2021
107
      Totally agree with you guys.
Nov 30th 2021
115
           I thought this was a really good ep for her actually
Nov 30th 2021
125
                That's fair. I guess I didn't consider the unspoken aspect of her develo...
Dec 01st 2021
130
StarGO = HBO Go
Nov 29th 2021
98
Haha ! Oh shit it's true.
Nov 30th 2021
116
The fact Kendall survived this episode was the biggest win for him
Nov 29th 2021
99
Watching a mid life crisis and possible suicide in real time
Nov 29th 2021
100
This has got to be the "rock bottom" & signify some change
Nov 29th 2021
103
I missed that the marque read The Notorious K.E.N. | Ready to Die
Nov 29th 2021
101
LOL no way. I gotta watch again.
Nov 30th 2021
117
Writers could prolly tell someone was getting a little too sympathetic
Nov 29th 2021
102
That was a really good episode. However...
Nov 29th 2021
104
Yep narrative Circles are getting tiring
Nov 29th 2021
105
my main problem with this season
Nov 29th 2021
106
Yea I worry that this could fizzle a bit like Boardwalk Empire did.
Nov 30th 2021
118
I got the impression they were celebrating too early.
Nov 30th 2021
110
Yea good call - hopefully that's the case.
Nov 30th 2021
119
I hope so
Nov 30th 2021
121
Yeah I assume their hubris is going to bite them hard here.
Nov 30th 2021
122
Logan needs to die suddenly
Nov 30th 2021
111
      Seems like they've *really* been setting this up...
Nov 30th 2021
123
      Hearing a few takes that Kendall is gonna die
Dec 01st 2021
135
           I had that thought after this last episode but figured everyone did lol.
Dec 02nd 2021
136
                For sure. But thinking of show's internal vs external universe
Dec 02nd 2021
138
                     Agreed ! But shows gotta be bold sometimes and take chances.
Dec 02nd 2021
139
                          Lol yeah i watched Boardwalk
Dec 02nd 2021
140
                               Haha yea I never watched GoT but I've heard that was their steez.
Dec 02nd 2021
141
                                    it's well worth it to me, even though they flubbed the landing
Dec 02nd 2021
142
                                         Mannn I tried, I really did - I just can't do dragons bruh haha.
Dec 03rd 2021
143
                                              Lol i LOVE the dragons but the fantasy aspect was my least favorite
Dec 03rd 2021
144
Only 9 episodes this season ?! Weak.
Nov 30th 2021
120
Succession party eps always deliver and this was an 11/10 ep
Nov 30th 2021
124
What's your estimated price tag on Kendall's party?
Nov 30th 2021
126
It was probably pretty pricey to recreate his mother's snatch
Dec 01st 2021
127
      whoa i dont think its nearly *that* much
Dec 01st 2021
132
           $2 *bil* check.
Dec 01st 2021
133
                OH Lol
Dec 01st 2021
134
Party episode was this season's MVP imo
Dec 01st 2021
128
started watching this a couple weeks back
Dec 01st 2021
129
Nah I think this season has been the weakest thus far as well.
Dec 01st 2021
131
      to me it seems like they stretched out this story too long
Dec 02nd 2021
137
From the moment this was credited to Armstrong/Mylod it'd be a banger
Dec 05th 2021
145
great episode
Dec 06th 2021
149
So. Much. Cringe. (SPOILERS)
Dec 06th 2021
146
It was always bound to end this way for Roman, really. (spoilers)
Dec 06th 2021
150
RE: It was always bound to end this way for Roman, really. (spoilers)
Dec 07th 2021
166
      Damn. You really may be on to something with all of this.
Dec 07th 2021
168
You can have a piece of my love... dumb bitch (c) Guy
Dec 06th 2021
151
      I don't even really understand what she means here.
Dec 07th 2021
169
           Tom is friendzoned in his own marriage
Dec 07th 2021
176
           she kicked him now she has to reel him back in
Dec 08th 2021
183
I just don’t even know where to begin with that ep
Dec 06th 2021
147
RE: I just don’t even know where to begin with that ep
Dec 06th 2021
148
      needed bombs drops this ep
Dec 06th 2021
152
My finale theory that is looking less and less likely (spoilers)
Dec 06th 2021
153
LOL oh c'mon that's the oldest trick in the book.
Dec 07th 2021
170
This whole episode was ether...
Dec 06th 2021
154
it's kind of the perfect way for him to go out
Dec 06th 2021
155
Well, I don't think he's dead
Dec 06th 2021
156
The two things holding Kendall back:
Dec 07th 2021
160
I agree.
Dec 07th 2021
171
RE: it's kind of the perfect way for him to go out
Dec 07th 2021
164
      Lol! on that not i like how he attempted to twist the dick pick thing
Dec 07th 2021
167
           Hahahaha great point.
Dec 07th 2021
172
this stands out to me
Dec 06th 2021
157
      Yea that's why I think Kendall has to fuck him over somehow in the final...
Dec 07th 2021
173
is Succession just a high-end Entourage? Fun to watch but no stakes?
Dec 07th 2021
158
two things re: the "nothing is happening" complaint:
Dec 07th 2021
159
well put on all
Dec 07th 2021
161
Eh... I don't know if Kendall hasn't changed more than Shiv
Dec 07th 2021
162
All this.
Dec 07th 2021
174
RE: is Succession just a high-end Entourage? Fun to watch but no stakes?
Dec 07th 2021
163
The stakes are all off-screen
Dec 07th 2021
165
Also all this.
Dec 07th 2021
175
Entourage tho?
Dec 07th 2021
177
Gerri's dude is the DOJ connect, right?
Dec 08th 2021
178
Oh right - I think so.
Dec 08th 2021
179
We're gonna find out Shiv's pregnant in the finale, I think.
Dec 08th 2021
180
god i hope not
Dec 08th 2021
181
      Haha totally. And Tom, to a lesser extent.
Dec 08th 2021
182
           props to Tom though
Dec 08th 2021
184

shamus
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1. "Kendall is batshit"
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and I'm ready for the ride. Also eager to see exactly how things implode with him and Naomi bc that's inevitable.


Shiv's vulnerability with Sannaa's lawyer character was delicious and uncomfortable at the same time, just because her revealing herself like that is so rare. Curious on whether we'll get anymore information on their friendship(is that the right word?) or not.


I remain Team Stewy, but it's sadly unclear how often he'll be appearing this season.


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Tiger Woods
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2. "Shiv knew her getting the spot was contingent on delivering the lawyee"
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Explains why she was so desperate

The dialogue In this show is such a blast. The way they all talk boldly but really say nothing, especially Kendall, is so so so fun.

  

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4. "She's gonna flip for sure. n/m"
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6. "That was basically revealed end of Episode 1."
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She’ll be in Kendall’s ex’s apartment before the credits on Episode 2.

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3. "I thought Kendall was sorta wylin and then I rewatched it"
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this nigga is BIG trippin lol.

also Shiv/the lawyer def either chomped down on each other or one of em stole the others man.

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7. "Kendall joking “Who said I never killed anyone?”…"
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… might be his most demonic moment on the show to date. Absolutely completely off the rails on his ego trip.

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8. "Haha totally. That shit was laugh out loud funny."
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"The juice is loose baby !!!"

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9. "Greg with the “what character is that” was sneaky hilarious"
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10. "him shouting that literally made me gasp lol"
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>"The juice is loose baby !!!"


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5. "Great call. Logan did say "killer.""
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>A great start.
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>Kendall is already going off the rails with manic energy and I
>wonder if his casual reference to the crime at the finale of
>season one ("The Juice is loose!") is a sign of things to
>come.

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11. "Oh how i missed this horrible family..."
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Kendall is definitely big tripping. Wonder how many episodes before he cracks. It's funny Shiv still doesn't see she's being played, as smart as she is. But I can't wait to see how far she lets Tom dangle in the wind before he flips on her. Almost feel sorry for the boor bastard, but he's horrible too.

Where the hell is Marcia?

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12. "Yeah i had no idea just how much i've missed this show"
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but it took about 5 minutes to think god i've missed all these terrible people terribly

  

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13. "first episode flew by. made me want to start from S1 all over again."
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14. "I'm gonna have to because i've forgotten so much"
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like i completely forgot Kendall did kill someone

  

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18. "yeah. I'm almost through S2 again"
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and cotdamn I forgot what a run this show was/is on

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15. "what was your guy's take on Roman's call?"
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i took it as him basically telling Logan he doesn't want it, even though he opens up with saying it should be him.
But i thought when he offered up Gerri, Logan could tell Roman didn't *actually* want to do it so he removed him from the mix.

but the couple takes I heard were that he did want it, but by showing some support for Gerri, it proved to Logan he's not enough of a killer for the job.

Logan did seem to be pressing for him before that.
I feel like most people on the show underestimate Roman intelligence wise. But at the same time Logan over-estimates his potential. He's smarter than most people think, but it gets drowned out by him being such a a little ass asshole kid

  

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16. "Logan wanted him to want it ruthlessly imo"
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The waffling disgusted him

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17. "He ain't a killer"
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If you're not a killer Logan won't fuck with you. Roman is getting the smarts, but won't quite stick the knife. Shiv keeps fumbling the ball thinking she's smarter than she is (though she's making Tom's soul die slow). Kendall does, but doesn't exactly know how to strike the blow correctly (witness the failed coup with Stewie). Plus, he's a (accidental) killer, which is always gonna hang over him.

Man this is a terrible family...

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19. "Shiv got Saddam as her dad's contact photo lol"
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20. "this ep was the only ep where I had a visceral"
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reaction to the way they treat Connor. I felt for him in my chest.

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108. "Fuck him. Connor is a special embodiement of evil IMO"
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In the show, he's essentially the town fool, so I'm guessing he's more or less a benign presence in this world.

But he represents a particular brand of privileged, libertarian scum that is, IMO, more insidious than anything anyone else on this show portrays.

I'm sure his delusions of grandeur come from a wounded place, but he's the one person who hasn't shown any redemptive qualities. The rest of this horrible family have displayed at least some likeable quality somewhere along the line.

Even Roman's American Psycho Lite act is interwoven with a certain sardonic charm, and the odd, momentary, savant-like display of intelligence and competency.

But Connor really doesn't have any of that. There have been a couple references to some dark shit that happened with his mom, and while that makes him somewhat of an empathetic character, I can't think of anything about him that makes him even slightly endearing.

  

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112. "He's the classic awful guy who's convinced he's a good guy."
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>I'm sure his delusions of grandeur come from a wounded place,
>but he's the one person who hasn't shown any redemptive
>qualities. The rest of this horrible family have displayed at
>least some likeable quality somewhere along the line.

He somehow believes that the fact that he's kept Waystar at arm's length has made him more righteous than his siblings and the rest of his family. But then he's done nothing else to actually prove it. Unlike say Greg's grandfather (name escapes him) who, for all his own faults, at least spends most of his time loudly denouncing Waystar and Logan even to his face, and taking part in his various philanthropic efforts.


>Even Roman's American Psycho Lite act is interwoven with a
>certain sardonic charm, and the odd, momentary, savant-like
>display of intelligence and competency.

There's all that, and also his brief (very) brief bouts of decency, at least with family, i.e. when he said "it makes me uncomfortable" regarding Shiv's letter about Kendall, as well as when he eviscerated Shiv for being more concerned with propping up a nearly-dead Logan at the shareholders' meeting than the fact that her father was dying in front of her eyes.


>But Connor really doesn't have any of that. There have been a
>couple references to some dark shit that happened with his
>mom, and while that makes him somewhat of an empathetic
>character, I can't think of anything about him that makes him
>even slightly endearing.

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21. "second episode was just off"
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felt like a much worse series, with dialogue that wasn't snappy or smart at all

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22. "The bedroom scene seemed great to me."
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So much back and forth. Especially between Roman and Shiv. She got him in his feelings so easily.

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23. "Literally felt the same but ok"
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26. "It was a bit off but the rewatch hit for me"
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I watch every episode twice though lol after a day of football rage my brain is cooked on Sunday night so I miss shit sometimes.

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24. "Tom definitely gets it now "
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As much as someone who didn’t grow up in that lifestyle anyways. He seems
Colder or more calculating with Shiv.

I think the painful realization that he is just another object to her has fully settled and what’s left is the guy we see now. The actor has done an amazing job too. Communicates sommuch with just his eyes.

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25. "Nahhhh did you hear how he talked to her on the phone ?!"
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> I think the painful realization that he is just another
>object to her has fully settled and what’s left is the guy
>we see now.

I don't think it's fully settled at all. Didn't take much for him to be all baby talk "I love youuuuu" again once they got on the phone with eachother lol. He's gonna crash hard again.


>The actor has done an amazing job too.
>Communicates sommuch with just his eyes.

No question here. He does an incredible job.

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27. "I just rewatched S1E1 and..."
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...I didn't realize that the show basically started with Kendall trying to rally his siblings after Logan decides not to elevate him to CEO and the whole thing falling apart when he suggests that Kendall should be CEO and they will be under him.

The more things change...

  

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28. "the donuts"
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who told Logan?

  

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29. "Tom ? Or maybe Gerri"
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Was curious about this myself.

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30. "i think they came right after Roman got off the phone with Gerri"
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which made me think it wasn't her

and Tom only knew Shiv was there, right?

  

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31. "I think Tom sent them."
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He's the only one who knew where they were before Shiv and Roman made their phone calls.

  

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32. "RE: the donuts"
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>who told Logan?

Can someone please explain the hug and window shots comments between Shiv and Logan at the end?

I understand he is teasing her with a role in the company. I don’t understand what he meant in response to Shiv’s comments about hugs and windows.

  

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33. "He wanted Shiv to give a pubic display of affection at the airport"
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She just stayed in the car. It's brought up again in ep.3, as Shiv won't do the puff piece on how she loves her dad and passes off to Roman

Honestly I'm not even 100% sure it was Logan that sent the donuts...

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34. "I didn't think Kendall would collapse so quickly"
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but I guess that's to be expected after the first two seasons

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35. "I mean, he's an addict who's exhibiting addict behavior"
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He's addicted to the spotlight and the attention and as long as he can control things, he's fine. So far he knows exactly what his father is going to do and has been playing him like a fiddle. He just didn't count on Shiv reacting the way she did with the statement (even Logan seemed to disapprove of her response).

But yeah, the Feds showing up certainly saved him from trending negatively on Twitter. Waystar gets to look like the assholes for a few more news cycles.

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36. "his cringe level is off the charts"
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he's always trying too hard, and it seems like the only people who don't feel visibly weirded out around him on some level are his own family, (and maybe Naomi and the watch dealer guy)

it's hard to even just completely hate him. just because most people who are that level of douche at least appear comfortable in their own skin. I feel so uneasy watching him. Strong is crushing it.

  

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37. "Naomi sucks and is bad for Kendall"
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I don’t get the sense she cares about him at all. They are just kindred spirits

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40. "He killed someone and laughed about it in the first ep this season lol"
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he's kind of easy to hate but out of the whole crew i guess he's the most likable when he's not trying so hard to be cool or a strong leader.

  

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41. "we've all rooted for/sided with characters who have done far worse"
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it's not so much about actions. everyone hated Janice Soprano more than than Tony, and Janice never killed anyone (who didn't deserve it).

this show is unique in that you can't really get behind anyone, but in moments you may find yourself siding with Logan/Roman/Shiv/Kendal, but there's no hero or even anti-hero

Kendall is terrible, but he's so needy and clueless about anything outside his bubble. I keep thinking of him trying to dap up the guy on the loading dock on his way in through the back lol.

also noticed, the killing has come up in every episode now. first the juice is loose, then logan with marcia, now the return of the private security/fixer guy from that night.


>he's kind of easy to hate but out of the whole crew i guess
>he's the most likable when he's not trying so hard to be cool
>or a strong leader.

  

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42. "Yea there's gotta be something to that for sure."
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>also noticed, the killing has come up in every episode now.
>first the juice is loose, then logan with marcia, now the
>return of the private security/fixer guy from that night.

I mean it's really the only way for this season to ultimately go/end right ? For Logan to use that situation to get himself back on top ? It's the ultimate leverage.

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45. "yeah, but Logan also knows its mutually assured destruction"
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because there will be nothing at that point to keep Kendall from bringing him down with him for the cover up. That's what he seemed to be saying to Marcia who i guess knows everything?

but yea, its definitely gonna be a thing

  

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46. "Oh great call."
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I feel like Logan could find a way to scapegoat others for the coverup, but either way great point. That's a part of that story I hadn't really been considering somehow haha.

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38. "This is probably the first time where Roman is..."
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...the most sympathetic Roy.

By default. (You can never really count Conner).

  

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39. "yeah, more not-a-killer energy from Roman"
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his reaction to that letter. his body language reminded me of the hostile takeover meeting when it was his turn to vote. He loves to talk shit but he visibly shrivels up when it comes time to hurt someone

Shiv being the total opposite. She called out Logan for putting dirt out on Kendall's drug problem last season, but the second he embarrassed her, didn't hesitate to nuke him

  

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44. "Romulus is a weird situation"
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I'm a little disappointed with how they've written him so far this season. Last season, he seemed to turn the corner, at least in terms of maturity, after being held hostage in that country. So far this season he's been the same sarcastic, petulant child. he was during season 1 and 3/4 of season 2.

However, with this last episode, you can see some of the stuff behind his attitude and what helped shape him.

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47. "I think his unwillingness to go scorched earth actually shows the maturi..."
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... that you speak of, and I had the same suspicion as to why he'd have passed on signing on to that press release: that the hostage situation scared him into re-evaluating himself a bit.

His sarcasm and petulance is a defense mechanism that I don't think will ever fully subside, as you mentioned at the end of your post.

But I think in previous years, in a similar situation, he may have been more likely to sign that press release.

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48. "Yeah i agree"
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he's still a snarky manboy but there are some slight signs of growth and humanity

i don't know how much of him not signing was hedging (he even said i don't think it's good for me), but you could tell he thought it was a little too fucked up

  

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50. "Right exactly."
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>i don't know how much of him not signing was hedging (he even
>said i don't think it's good for me), but you could tell he
>thought it was a little too fucked up

I'd even argue that him saying "I don't think it's good for me" was cover for the real reason, which he said out loud too of course. But like he felt like he needed to say something to that effect to maybe try and prove that he was a killer, too.

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109. "I see it much more as him cowering to Logan"
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Anytime Roman is in a position to oppose Logan in any way, all that bravado disappears.

So I've always read that as him being fearful of Logan's wrath, and not wanting to make choices that would put him on Logan's hit list.

  

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113. "Correct."
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>Anytime Roman is in a position to oppose Logan in any way,
>all that bravado disappears.
>
>So I've always read that as him being fearful of Logan's
>wrath, and not wanting to make choices that would put him on
>Logan's hit list.

Then the bravado and confidence is him so desperately seeking his approval.

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43. "Honestly? Right today Connor is the most sympatheic"
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At least so far this season, he hasn't said or done anything egregiously stupid. The night is still young, but he's #1 just be virtue of not being a raging asshole.

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56. "I'll give Connor credit. he's a piece of shit, but his siblings"
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will always out-worse him while they chase Logan's approval through the depths of hell. Connor already knows it will never come.

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49. "You're HOVERING"
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Gerri is Uncle Junior/Joffrey status. She seems both fully aware and in denial about this.

Was the whole Carolina vs Fisher Stevens scuffle over who can authorize Kendall's entry a proxy fight between Gerri and Logan?

  

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51. "Kendall about to let Logan die rather than ask for water for him"
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Fucking moron. None of these brats realize they ain’t shit if they not together.

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52. "RE: Kendall about to let Logan die rather than ask for water for him"
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That was a damned good episode

  

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53. "It was clear that Kendall was trying to be *like* Logan but..."
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...he couldn't handle it.

  

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54. "They really nailed Adrien Brody's character / he really nailed it"
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From the costume design to the faux humble rich guy shit.



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55. "yup"
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wasn't sure how it'd go, since he's one of the more recognizable guest actors, but he embodied the character perfectly.

>the faux humble rich guy shit.

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57. "his turn was great"
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he went from fake humble rich bro to full on shark perfectly.

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60. "RE: his turn was great"
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>he went from fake humble rich bro to full on shark
>perfectly.

I never got the humble part from him. He seemed like a prick from the jump. Adrien Brody did great I must say

  

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61. "Same."
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>I never got the humble part from him. He seemed like a prick
>from the jump.

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58. "i def beieved he was the kinda asshole who'd make an old man"
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go for a hike

>From the costume design to the faux humble rich guy shit.

  

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59. "he made an immediate impact"
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So much so that I almost hope we don’t see him much more this season. Let it sit on that

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62. "Tom either gonna commit suicide or spill everything to the FBI"
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The guy is unravelling. All that the stuff with Greg wasn't just him "turning the screws." The obsession with going to prison and the FoxNews people not taking him seriously is fucking with his head and he's not built for it.

Is it clear that Greg really did turn against Kendall legit? For all his stammering and hemming and hawing, Greg has tended to stick with Kendall. Especially since he also knows that throwing in with Logan would royally piss his grandfather off.

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63. "I think Greg is trying to play the game."
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Maybe he wants to be on Kendall's side on a personal level, but Kendall hasn't offered him anything substantial for his loyalty and even sort of fucked him over with the watch.

On the other side, he's both terrified of Logan AND got an actual offer from him.

I'm terrible at legalese, but signing for the joint defense agreement seems like it would be irreversible, so I think Grendall is over?

Kendall played that pretty badly, I think. The watch wouldn't have hurt his pockets much and would've solidified Greg as an ally. Then again I'm kind of unsure of how aware Kendall is of the cards Greg is holding at this point.

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64. "RE: Tom either gonna commit suicide or spill everything to the FBI"
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>The guy is unravelling. All that the stuff with Greg wasn't
>just him "turning the screws." The obsession with going to
>prison and the FoxNews people not taking him seriously is
>fucking with his head and he's not built for it.

Good call - I could see this happening. At the very least he may join Kendall.


>Is it clear that Greg really did turn against Kendall legit?
>For all his stammering and hemming and hawing, Greg has tended
>to stick with Kendall. Especially since he also knows that
>throwing in with Logan would royally piss his grandfather
>off.

Great question. I was sort of curious about this myself.

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65. "I think we're getting played a bit re: Greg"
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Tom talks to Greg about what his plan with Logan is, but Greg doesn't actually hand him any papers, and his other news about the ATN guys brushing him off also happens off screen. It's fairly plausible to me that Tom didn't really go get either of those things for Shiv but needed a win and felt like Greg was a lock based on their conversation.


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66. "Yea totally agreed."
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67. "I agree. I'm of the "If it didn't happen on screen, then it didn't happe..."
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...school of thought when it comes to these things.

Him signing with Logan and giving over the documents would both be too "big" occur off-screen.

Besides, no is the lawyer who Greg can't reach during daytime hours aka Otter from Animal House a one-off character.

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69. "Well,we got Stannis'd. Oh well. We're suing Green Peace!"
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68. "Yeah they wouldve showed him sign something if it happened"
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70. "Shiv not wanting to have a baby with Tom = Kendall not buying the watch"
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Tom is going to flip on Waystar because Shiv isn't giving him any reason to stay personally and professionally. They are talking about his prison sentence like its a done deal now and she's not trying to have a kid now (or ever).

  

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71. "Shiv doesn't want a kid with Tom because she doesn't want to be locked d..."
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You think for a second Shiv won't be doing her thing the second Tom is hauled out the court? That open marriage is very much in full effect. Tom probably figured a baby would at least let her stay tied to him or at least partially faithful while he's upstate, but that was never once in the cards. Tom is a means to an end for Shiv, and Tom knows it

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72. "crazy just how incompetent everyone is"
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Logan before he got completely discombobulated still seemed more capable than anyone in that room.

Roman continues to be winning the actual human being contest of of all the Logan kids

more cringe from Kendall as he tries desperately to re-hash the magic of his viral moment from last season.

i feel like the execs like Karl and Frank and Hugo are just more seasoned versions of Tom

  

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73. "dunno why Greg's "He's so annoying!" "
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about Kendall made me laugh so hard

maybe its that I don't remember Greg ever being that outwardly aggressive about anyone... and that it's only really aggressive by Greg standards

  

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74. "LOL cracked me up too and I think you nailed it."
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>RE: dunno why Greg's "He's so annoying!"
>about Kendall made me laugh so hard
>
>maybe its that I don't remember Greg ever being that outwardly
>aggressive about anyone... and that it's only really
>aggressive by Greg standards

Exactly. And even in saying that the look on his face was one of abject fear, not aggression or anger hahah.

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75. "Lol now i'll have to watch that part again"
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>Exactly. And even in saying that the look on his face was one
>of abject fear, not aggression or anger hahah.

not sure i even caught that, even though that's his default look

  

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76. "Tom/Kendall"
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Tom destroying Kendall with two sentences at the end of their meeting was probably the highlight of the season for me thus far. He definitely gets it now, to the extent that him just shutting up and going to jail at the end seems incredibly far-fetched.

On the other hand, I'm still wondering what the point is of Kendall's arc this season. Even in terms of being a semi-credible adversary, he's barely even a fart in the wind now. I'm still very interested to see where everything winds up but I'm also still waiting for his arc to really start clicking. We get it, he's woefully inept - and fleshing that out over and over each ep is just seeming like overkill to me at this point.

  

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77. "bold(?) prediction: throws HIMSELF under the bus w/r/t Chappaquidick"
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The pieces are all sort of there in this episode. Kendall continuing to go full self-destruct, Tom mirroring a lot of Kendall's behavior during the suicidal thoughts stuff last season, Ken telling Tom he admires him, Logan starting to really feel his oats again, the prosecutors implying he might not have given them enough to fully pursue the case...


That security guard has been lingering around all season long like a loaded gun, remember.


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80. "I like this prediction"
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85. "No doubt."
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>That security guard has been lingering around all season long
>like a loaded gun, remember.

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78. ""Carrie, get Shiv a fucking medal" loooooooooooooool"
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84. "Shiv's going to join Team Kendall. It's only a matter of when"
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Backing the fascist candidate was a bridge too far. It doesn't pay to be the closest to the throne because you get the most shit. Roman has played Shiv's presidency pretty well.

  

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86. "No question."
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>RE: Shiv's going to join Team Kendall. It's only a matter of when

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79. "actually felt pretty deflated at the end of this ep"
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the confirmation of Mencken and frat party of fascists was a bit too distressing for me I guess, even though I know what show I'm watching. On top of that, Shiv protesting that she's not going to stand next to him in the photo, like that means something... for some reason I continue to be blown away by her spineless dumbassery.

Want to know what, if anything, will become of the sexual tension between Mencken and Roman.

Also, Kerry freaks me out.

The simple way Tom put Kendall in his place was like...wow. Like an exhausted parent who's simply finished speaking to their foolish child.


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82. "same. that shit felt waaay too real"
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>the confirmation of Mencken and frat party of fascists was a
>bit too distressing for me I guess, even though I know what
>show I'm watching.

  

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87. "AGREE."
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>the confirmation of Mencken and frat party of fascists was a
>bit too distressing for me I guess, even though I know what
>show I'm watching.

I said to my wife I could feel myself getting viscerally angry.


>On top of that, Shiv protesting that she's
>not going to stand next to him in the photo, like that means
>something... for some reason I continue to be blown away by
>her spineless dumbassery.

LOL totally. What the fuck was that. It was laugh out loud cowardice.


>Want to know what, if anything, will become of the sexual
>tension between Mencken and Roman.

Yea my wife pointed this out to me. Def going somewhere.


>Also, Kerry freaks me out.

Haha how so ?


>The simple way Tom put Kendall in his place was like...wow.
>Like an exhausted parent who's simply finished speaking to
>their foolish child.

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89. "The conclusion of this NPR episode recap sums up my feelings lol."
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https://www.npr.org/2021/11/21/1057352670/succession-recap-season-3-episode-6

"In summary
I may wind up being in the minority on this, but I didn't care for the literal political storyline here that much. I actually like Succession less when it's as explicit about its connections to our current crises as this episode is. Roman mocking Shiv and sarcastically threatening to get "cis white male stank" on her is just another day in any internet comment section. And I think the bit where they think Boyer is a secret vegetarian is just a little ... you know. A little '90s, let's say. I think you can establish that rich people sit around making cynical decisions about politics in ways that are a little less explicit than this.

I look forward to getting out of politics, which is something I feel like I say every few hours."

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90. "Lol i get that but i kinda love that they're getting into this"
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at the same time, i'm pretty arms length with real politics rn.
i did have a reacton to Menkin being a thing like it was really happening. Partially due to Trump flashbacks, and part because i could see it really happening. My biggest fear is always a 'trump' that isn't a complete buffoon. I mean yeah we can say Trump is a fascist but I doubt he could even tell you what fascism is.

As far as the party comments stuff, i think it's pretty dead on. Roman's been spitting those reddit shitposter comments since the show started. i think its part of why he found Menkin so seductive (both literally and figuratively)
Even Tom/Greg's Hamilton exchange in this setting was gold.

this was my favorite episode of the season, but that said i completely get it. There so much stuff the last few years i didn't watch because i'm like man i don't wanna think about this shit ALL the time lol

  

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95. "Oh I hear you for sure. It was an excellent episode."
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And that's partially, and possibly primarily, due to how uncomfortable it made us all feel haha.

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91. "umm...who is she???!! lol"
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>
>>Also, Kerry freaks me out.
>
>Haha how so ?
>

i mean, i know she's his assistant, but when did the come up happen? why is she talking? where is Marcia?


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93. "Hahaha gotcha. Agreed."
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I'm curious about all that too for sure.

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92. "another thing was the way Kendall spoke to Lisa"
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The conservative party stuff made me forget that him speaking down to Lisa was another scene that was not merely cringeworthy, but actually agonizing. It was just too much real life. Like, "Yes Succession, I do have a job. I don't need to see it played out here."


>>the confirmation of Mencken and frat party of fascists was
>a
>>bit too distressing for me I guess, even though I know what
>>show I'm watching.
>
>I said to my wife I could feel myself getting viscerally
>angry.
>


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94. "Oh god no question. That was brutal to watch."
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>The conservative party stuff made me forget that him speaking
>down to Lisa was another scene that was not merely
>cringeworthy, but actually agonizing. It was just too much
>real life. Like, "Yes Succession, I do have a job. I don't
>need to see it played out here."

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96. "Kendall's the type of dude who'll fistbump the valet..."
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then 5 minutes later threaten the hotel front desk clerk's job because the room he wanted isn't available.

but in some awkward passive aggressive kendall ass way, like "look, i'm.. i'm just looking out for you here"

  

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114. "Haha totally."
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>then 5 minutes later threaten the hotel front desk clerk's
>job because the room he wanted isn't available.
>
>but in some awkward passive aggressive kendall ass way, like
>"look, i'm.. i'm just looking out for you here"

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81. "Tom hit Kendal with the sh*t that made his soul burn slow..."
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That was as close to a win Tom is gonna get this season, but damn if it wasn't a spectacular own.

I do wonder what Ken's plan is. Sounded like he fired Sanaa, but what his case, arc, endgame, or plan is still muddy as hell. It would be hilarious if he ended up in Sandy's seat and being a pawn for Stewie and co. What other angle he has I'm not even sure.

Shiv still poking the bear thinking Logan won't toss her aside in a second. I get flexing her power and position, and wanting daddy's approval (which all the kids need to be in therapy for), but she's setting herself up for a fall. I'm sure Logan leaning towards Roman's pick had to be influenced in some way by Logan being pissed and letting Shiv know who's still the boss.

How is it Roman looks almost competent this season?

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83. "Roman looking more competent but so much for the whole human thing"
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dude negotiating fascism levels with his crush.

i will say Roman has much more of an understanding of this 4-chan world than Kendall does lefty twitter. Mainly because Kendall is 100% performative about it, meanwhile you can tell Roman is fully at home in the bannonverse.

  

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88. "All of this."
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>dude negotiating fascism levels with his crush.
>
>i will say Roman has much more of an understanding of this
>4-chan world than Kendall does lefty twitter. Mainly because
>Kendall is 100% performative about it, meanwhile you can tell
>Roman is fully at home in the bannonverse.
>
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97. "there's bigger people and things to unpack, but...Naomi is driving me nu..."
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I've never been a big Naomi fan, even in Season 2, but I'm baffled at how much they've whittled away her character. In Season 3 she's an airhead who can't form complete sentences, whereas in Season 2, she was a well-educated, thoughtful person who was also a tortured soul. I have difficulty paying attention to whatever Kendall is doing in scenes with her because I'm too focused on seeing whether the writers will actually give her a complete thought this time. And they never do. It's incredibly irritating.

Kendall losing his mind over the lost gift (in addition to everything else), stopping short after saying "I wish I was--", shortly followed by a shot of him looking over the balcony at none other but The Vessel...shit. A clever and heartbreaking choice by the...cinematographers? Editors? I don't know, but that was brutal. We'll see if anything comes of it. (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/29/nyregion/vessel-suicide-hudson-yards.html)

I was never someone who rooted for or cared about Roman in any way, even in his partnership with Gerri, and I'm so glad. I hate him and all his garbage business that he conducts with reprehensible men in bathrooms.

Finally, I don't even know where to start with the party decor and entertainment. From the prep scenes to execution, I really wished I counted the number of times I gasped. I did genuinely love the Compliment Tunnel though.


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107. "I thought she was going to be really interesting after the first ep"
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her nonchalantly, but deliberately picking the most treasured wine of Kendall's ex-wife -- as a house-guest -- was so fucking devious and perfect for her.

but like you said, she has just sort of floated away into a ghost. when Logan made his proclamation about going after Pierce again, it seemed like a silly reminder there was a past storyline where Naomi came from.

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115. "Totally agree with you guys."
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With any show now (was just thinking this about Insecure last nite as well), I'm curious whether or not any faults I find within episodes or in the middle of seasons is COVID-related haha. Like I wonder if the writers had grander plans for Naomi but had to cut costs after COVID hit.

Your reference to her more well-rounded deviousness in ep2 this season being a good example. That seemed like a portion of the story that could've kept going somewhere.

But since then, as you guys mentioned, she's just been sort of a needless sideshow.

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125. "I thought this was a really good ep for her actually"
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idk to me it felt like the whole night* she was trying to figure out how to help him and couldnt really crack it
- do i just go along w/ all this weird shit he's coming up w/ for the party to make himself feel better?
- will a gift make him feel better?
- does he want his dick sucked at the party?

ultimately Kendall just needed to feel a real personal connection w/ someone real which she did embracing him at the end.

*really all season tbh. the dude needs a real therapist, and to take that buyout deal and chill somewhere

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130. "That's fair. I guess I didn't consider the unspoken aspect of her develo..."
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My point was just that they did such a good job fleshing out some deeper dialogue between the two of them last season that I'd have expected that to continue in some regard into this season. But I suppose not everything needs to be spelled out in words/dialogue for character development to be present.

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98. "StarGO = HBO Go"
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116. "Haha ! Oh shit it's true."
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99. "The fact Kendall survived this episode was the biggest win for him"
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Because honestly it was touch and go

  

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100. "Watching a mid life crisis and possible suicide in real time"
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Any number of things should have pushed him right over the edge, literally.

Everybody in the family is sad and horrible and it's a joy to hatewatch

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103. "This has got to be the "rock bottom" & signify some change"
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A pivot moment needs to be coming. It took Roman being held hostage to eventually turn him into the worst person in the world. There has to be him building towards something besides "manic, miserable asshole who's always catching Ls."

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101. "I missed that the marque read The Notorious K.E.N. | Ready to Die"
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117. "LOL no way. I gotta watch again."
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102. "Writers could prolly tell someone was getting a little too sympathetic"
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SIGNIFICANT course correction then followed.

The dude was flexing out there like an older, more embittered Joffrey Baratheon (RIP)

  

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104. "That was a really good episode. However..."
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...there needs to be some narrative progress. After spending all this season and most of the last building towards WayStar's issues with the DOJ, it can't just be, "They get off with a fine and Logan's back in control." Tom immediately goes from "mope obsessed with prison" to the exact same asshole he was Season 1.

"No one/nothing ever really changes" can be narrative poison for even the best shows. I loved The Sopranos, Mad Men, and Bojack Horseman, but running around into narrative circles really did lead to diminishing returns in all those cases.

If by the end of the season it's "Kendall is back with Logan and they're deciding who's going to be the next president," I'm going to be severely disappointed.

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105. "Yep narrative Circles are getting tiring"
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Feels like audience is getting played like the show’s characters.

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106. "my main problem with this season"
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the first episode was perfect, but the whole narrative lacks the drive from S2

although S2 might just be as good as Succession can ever be, never to be topped

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118. "Yea I worry that this could fizzle a bit like Boardwalk Empire did."
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I loved all of Boardwalk, to be clear. But after the explosive end to season 2 they never really got anywhere close to that same level again.

I worry that Succession could possibly fall into that same trap.

Hopefully we're wrong tho. Hopefully these last 2 episodes take it in a direction/directions we don't even see coming.

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110. "I got the impression they were celebrating too early."
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I think something is still going to happen with the DOJ investigation, doesn't feel like they're actually wrapping it up.

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119. "Yea good call - hopefully that's the case."
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Now that you mention it, they may have been not-so-subtly foreshadowing exactly that when everyone was saying "this isn't a celebration ..." even tho they all went on to celebrate anyway haha.

So hopefully you're right.

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121. "I hope so"
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Because, as already stated above, the remaining stakes aren't as compelling. The hostile takeover was snuffed out (or so it appears?) and with no threat of the doj, what's the real danger to these people?

>I think something is still going to happen with the DOJ
>investigation, doesn't feel like they're actually wrapping it
>up.


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122. "Yeah I assume their hubris is going to bite them hard here."
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Too much early celebration despite Gerri's warning.

I wonder if the endgame will be for them to be broken up into smaller companies?

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111. "Logan needs to die suddenly"
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Starting Logan weak when the show started to the point where he's teflon now seems to be leading to a necessary jolt.

  

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123. "Seems like they've *really* been setting this up..."
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(the UTI, the hike, etc etc)

... so I suppose I should expect for him to keep on keeping on for another 2 seasons.

But man, show me the scene where the inheritance that Marcia hasn't already hoarded gets read to the kids. Put it in my veins.

  

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135. "Hearing a few takes that Kendall is gonna die"
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even though it would be crazy for Strong to leave the show, i can see it

  

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136. "I had that thought after this last episode but figured everyone did lol."
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So I felt like that was too obvious.

But who knows.

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138. "For sure. But thinking of show's internal vs external universe"
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internally it's damn near a no-brainer he's gonna die. He's broken as fuck.

but for us thinking would the show really go full Game of Thrones like that and take Jeremy Strong away from us.
Logan makes a little bit more sense, but Strong would be more shocking (externally)

  

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139. "Agreed ! But shows gotta be bold sometimes and take chances."
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Not telling you anything you don't know of course. Just saying I'd be SHOCKED but at the same time not shocked. I mean I dunno if you watched Boardwalk Empire but if you did then you remember S2 .......

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140. "Lol yeah i watched Boardwalk"
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it's crazy how that doesn't even pop in my head when i think of characters being snatched from us but that was huge. I think GoT kind of overshadowed everything in that regard.

  

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141. "Haha yea I never watched GoT but I've heard that was their steez."
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>it's crazy how that doesn't even pop in my head when i think
>of characters being snatched from us but that was huge. I
>think GoT kind of overshadowed everything in that regard.

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142. "it's well worth it to me, even though they flubbed the landing"
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but damn if wasn't the most "life ain't fair" show I've seen since The Wire

  

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143. "Mannn I tried, I really did - I just can't do dragons bruh haha."
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Science fiction stuff in general just does nothing at all for me, and never really has no matter how hard I've tried.

So because of that, I never really had any interest in GoT from the beginning. Eventually tho, several likeminded, anti-sci-fi friends convinced me that it was so good that I'd be able to overlook the dragon stuff.

So, fine. My wife (who's like me in that regard) and I decided to give it a go a few months before that final season so we could take part in the cultural nerdom. Our collective skepticism prevented both of us from really getting into it for the first few episodes. But about midway thru season 1 I was just about all in on the familial backstories as well as being suuuuper into the storylines about the north and south and the land disputes, and the history and all of that. I really wanted to know where all that was going. My wife tho, for her part, was still bored with it lol.

So by the time we were about to watch the final episode of that season I was like, damn this *is* cool, I'll finish with or without you lol. Then I watched the final episode and ....................... fuckin dragons. It literally ended with a cliffhander of sorts about dragons.

OUT ! Haven't gone back to it or missed it since.

Maybe I'm being too stubborn haha but that type of shit has always been a dealbreaker for me, even when I actively try to ignore it/not be annoyed by it.

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144. "Lol i LOVE the dragons but the fantasy aspect was my least favorite"
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part of the show (except for the dragons of course).. but the human drama, the power dynamics, the battles, and really the whole world drew me in.

I wasn't very interested either, but after some hounding i started watching around S2 time. It took me a week or two to get through the first ep. i kept getting bored and distracted but once i got through it i got hooked pretty quick. I was home with a back injury so i knocked it all out and caught up in a week and a half.

but yeah, you gave it enough of a shot, and i hear what you're saying about dealbreakers. there are plenty of things like that i don't feel the need to spend my time on, so it's not your thing lol

  

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120. "Only 9 episodes this season ?! Weak."
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124. "Succession party eps always deliver and this was an 11/10 ep"
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126. "What's your estimated price tag on Kendall's party?"
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127. "It was probably pretty pricey to recreate his mother's snatch"
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Seriously though, I'd guess $5 to $10 million? All the staff, security, the DJs, the champagne, the open bars, the gift bags, the stage, the cross, the pyro for the stage, Baby Wu-tang Clan, the tree house, the other dumb "concept" rooms. Yeah, that could add up to $10 million.

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132. "whoa i dont think its nearly *that* much"
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I started of thinking 1 million but Naomi seemed somewhat impressed with the 2 mil check, and nudged him to take it, so i started thinking maybe 500k

But i know nothing about this type of thing

  

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133. "$2 *bil* check."
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>but Naomi seemed somewhat impressed with the 2 mil check

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134. "OH Lol"
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ok, that makes so much more sense. carry on lol

  

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128. "Party episode was this season's MVP imo"
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But wait, Roman was NOT getting his ass handled by some goons in the black SUV at the end there? Was the point of that scene just to make us feel like that was gonna happen, or?

  

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129. "started watching this a couple weeks back"
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got caught up last night. this season isnt really hitting the same for me. i might just be burned out from watching it too quickly.

  

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131. "Nah I think this season has been the weakest thus far as well."
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And I have watched each season live (and binged seasons 1&2 a second time so my wife could catch up before S3) so I don't think that has anything to do with it.

We'll see how it ends but I have definitely felt that *something* has been missing from this season, though I can't really put my finger on what it is.

We'll see how it ends.

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137. "to me it seems like they stretched out this story too long"
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it should had advanced further by now or we should be on something else. im definitely plenty interested to see how it ends.

am i the only one still hoping theres another, more public, exposing of tom swallowing his load? maybe greg says it in front of logan lol

  

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145. "From the moment this was credited to Armstrong/Mylod it'd be a banger"
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This fucking episode. Goddamn.


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149. "great episode"
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146. "So. Much. Cringe. (SPOILERS)"
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Seriously, every single scene was pushed to the maximum amount of discomfort Like, they haven't had this much of everyone being awful to everyone else since the Thanksgiving episode back in Season 1.

Where to start? Ah, tragic Romulus. Undone by a dick pic. And Shiv positioning things so either gets to get rid of him or both him and Gerri.

Banner episode for how rotten Shiv episode Shiv is. Obviously the scene with her mother demonstrated how and why she's screwed up, but the scenes with Tom were sociopathy.

And with Kendall... man, I thought the last episode was his rock-bottom. But I'll say this: he either has to die next episode or he's got to definitively get the upper hand with Logan. Because that dinner meeting signified the absolute end of their existing relationship dynamic. And honestly, it felt like it was as far as they could go with Kendall in general.

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150. "It was always bound to end this way for Roman, really. (spoilers)"
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All of the constant jokes about fucking his dad, his mom, his sister-- sending an inadvertent dick pic to his dad felt precisely right.

Funny that Tom's pain (stuck in a loveless, childless life) and Roman's pain (sending a dick pic to his dad on accident) are, like, the opposite ends of the male nightmare spectrum.

I'd like to see Kendall just get out, without any money, and be free of all ties that bind. It won't happen, but it'd be nice. I don't know what's going to happen. I kind of doubt he kills himself, because he's such an incredible part of the show... and he's obviously never going to have the upper hand on Logan, because Logan can lord the caterer's death over him.

I kind of wonder if the caterer's death plays into the finale, considering it was brought up multiple times here-- maybe Kendall publicly confesses to that and points out his dad's role in covering it up?

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166. "RE: It was always bound to end this way for Roman, really. (spoilers)"
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i think kendall does the podcast to confess and implicate logan.

when comfry casually mentioned the podcast about the sad waiters death, kendall stalls and looks scared and says "keep tabs on that" or whatever. he plays it like he's scared, but i see it as Kendall seeing an opportunity. He gives his Dad one last chance by inviting him to dinner and testing him to see if he'll buy him out like Roman offered at his 40th. Logan not only laughs that that was a joke to fuck with him, but then he lets his grandson potentially eat poisoned ravioli, mocks kendall for being an idiot, then humiliates him over the waiters death just to pour salt on the wound.

Kendall is done with his family. He wants blood. He knows he cant win "the right way" like he tried in the S02 finale and the first few eps of this season. So he has one card to play. Come clean publicly, and take down his dad, sinking the company value and letting Mattson buy a depressed asset, thus crushing his families power, the one thing they care more about than money.

I also think he and Mattson have been playing Waystar the whole time. Mattson was in the 40th bday treehouse. Kendall knew roman/shiv would show up just to get to Mattson. He staged banning them from the tree house only to conveniently let Roman in. I think Kendall and Mattson orchestrated the tweets to pump their value to a "partnership of equals" or whatever that was called, and crushing Logan will give Mattson the final upper hand.

Just some theories. No way Kendall is (currently) dead in the pool

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168. "Damn. You really may be on to something with all of this."
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>i think kendall does the podcast to confess and implicate
>logan.
>
>when comfry casually mentioned the podcast about the sad
>waiters death, kendall stalls and looks scared and says "keep
>tabs on that" or whatever. he plays it like he's scared, but i
>see it as Kendall seeing an opportunity. He gives his Dad one
>last chance by inviting him to dinner and testing him to see
>if he'll buy him out like Roman offered at his 40th. Logan not
>only laughs that that was a joke to fuck with him, but then he
>lets his grandson potentially eat poisoned ravioli, mocks
>kendall for being an idiot, then humiliates him over the
>waiters death just to pour salt on the wound.

This would make a lot of sense.


>Kendall is done with his family. He wants blood. He knows he
>cant win "the right way" like he tried in the S02 finale and
>the first few eps of this season. So he has one card to play.
>Come clean publicly, and take down his dad, sinking the
>company value and letting Mattson buy a depressed asset, thus
>crushing his families power, the one thing they care more
>about than money.
>
>I also think he and Mattson have been playing Waystar the
>whole time. Mattson was in the 40th bday treehouse. Kendall
>knew roman/shiv would show up just to get to Mattson. He
>staged banning them from the tree house only to conveniently
>let Roman in. I think Kendall and Mattson orchestrated the
>tweets to pump their value to a "partnership of equals" or
>whatever that was called, and crushing Logan will give Mattson
>the final upper hand.
>
>Just some theories. No way Kendall is (currently) dead in the
>pool

This also makes some sense, like Kendall planted Mattson there to lure his siblings into a trap.

And the dinner being his last attempt to make amends with his dad would make sense in that regard, too.

The pool scene at the end would be kind of perplexing, if all that ends up being the case. But maybe that scene was Kendall struggling with the decision as to whether or not to actually go through with turning himself in or whatever.

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151. "You can have a piece of my love... dumb bitch (c) Guy"
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she used the 'what happens in vegas' line for their brutal honest snm thing or whatever that was, and a few minutes later its "I may not love you but i love you... painful to say the least
quick to smell blood in the water with Gerri. She def seemed to decide to go ful shitbird after the conversation with her mom, but I'm sure it won't be long until she's back to pretending she's not a terrible person.

  

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169. "I don't even really understand what she means here."
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>and a few minutes later
>its "I may not love you but i love you..."

Poor Tom.

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176. "Tom is friendzoned in his own marriage"
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i had completely forgotten she requested an open marriage ON their fucking wedding day lol

  

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183. "she kicked him now she has to reel him back in"
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i think she realized she mightve kicked a little too hard though so that's where all the hemming and hawing came from as she tried to clean it up

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147. "I just don’t even know where to begin with that ep"
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I’m still processing all the fuckery because the dinner convo would normally be the climax of an ep and that was barely halfway in

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148. "RE: I just don’t even know where to begin with that ep"
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They really did hit us with all the explosives all at once

  

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152. "needed bombs drops this ep"
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last ep was fangless

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153. "My finale theory that is looking less and less likely (spoilers)"
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Kendall lives
GoJo and Waystar merge
Lukas brings in Kendall to represent his interests (buying Waystar was essentially his idea)

But the previews for next week makes the first one seem unlikely.

  

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170. "LOL oh c'mon that's the oldest trick in the book."
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>Kendall lives
>GoJo and Waystar merge
>Lukas brings in Kendall to represent his interests (buying
>Waystar was essentially his idea)
>
>But the previews for next week makes the first one seem
>unlikely.

That's exactly what they want you to think.








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154. "This whole episode was ether..."
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Logan using HIS FUCKING GRANDSON as a taste tester like he's Ceaser

Shiv telling Tom he ain't shit TO HIS FACE than poo-pooing it and twisting the knife at the same time after her post coital clarity. Shiv must have that fire box for Tom to have even smashed that night.

Roman, WTF you doing buddy? Everything undone by a dick pic?

The Conner / Willa cringe. He sucks so bad he can't even pull off the 'proposal at an engagement' cliche. Willa knows the deal.

The whole Caroline / Shiv exchange. Ho Lee $h!t.

The final scene. The show feels too smart to take the easy route of Ken drowning, but at the same time, it could work? Like, what else can this guy do?

Damn these are horrible ass people. Like,

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155. "it's kind of the perfect way for him to go out"
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i purposely didn't watch the previews for next week though.

i just don't know where you can go with him, and that conversation with Logan seemed so final (and yeah using his grandson as a crash test dummy, damn).

the whole conversation. his I'm better than you... with Logan being like, oh word? Ay, remember that time you killed that kid? What was going on there. However he expected that meeting to go. i'm sure it wasn't that. he lost AGAIN.

I do wonder if he *is* dead, would he put something out there that implicates Logan in helping him cover it up. Or just somehow find a way to torture him from beyond the grave. Doesn't seem like he had time for a revenge plot though but who knows.



  

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156. "Well, I don't think he's dead"
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It was just a very on the nose visual metaphor.

I do think it's possible that he dies this week.

I do hope that if he lives or dies, he implicates himself and Logan in the caterers death. I kinda feel like this is where the story has to go, as they've dropped waaaay too many hints otherwise. And it can't be something that Logan can just weasel out of like the merger or the Justice Department investigation and then life goes on.

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160. "The two things holding Kendall back:"
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His desire to stay rich, and his desire to avoid consequences for his part in the company.

So I've got to think one of those changes in the finale. Either he decides he wants out without any money, or he publicly airs his own dirty laundry to cleanse himself of his secrets. I'd much rather he not die (for reasons stated elsewhere in the thread), but if he dies, it'd have to be with a big splash.

That said, no matter what Kendall airs out... feels like Logan could still effectively weasel out of it, lol. Tom said it best to Kendall a couple episodes back: "I've never seen Logan get fucked once." Kinda the moral of the show. Until biology runs its course and yanks Logan from this mortal coil, feels like him being too big to fail is the whole point.

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171. "I agree."
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>I do hope that if he lives or dies, he implicates himself and
>Logan in the caterers death. I kinda feel like this is where
>the story has to go, as they've dropped waaaay too many hints
>otherwise. And it can't be something that Logan can just
>weasel out of like the merger or the Justice Department
>investigation and then life goes on.

I think he lives and turns himself in, and throws Logan under the bus in the process. That would explain why he kept repeating "I'm better than you" and actually prove that to be true, to some degree at least.

But yea I agree that the fact that they alluded to it like 5 or 6x throughout the season (and before this weeks ep, the allusions were sorta subtle for the most part) means that they have to go somewhere with that storyline next week, I'd think. So I agree with you.

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164. "RE: it's kind of the perfect way for him to go out"
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I actually pictured Bryan Cox/Logan saying “oh, word?”

He could pull that off. Hahahahaa

  

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167. "Lol! on that not i like how he attempted to twist the dick pick thing"
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into something he could possibly respect on some level
"so it's like saying, fuck you?"


>I actually pictured Bryan Cox/Logan saying “oh, word?”
>
>He could pull that off. Hahahahaa

  

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172. "Hahahaha great point."
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>RE: Lol! on that not i like how he attempted to twist the dick pick thing
>into something he could possibly respect on some level
>"so it's like saying, fuck you?"

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157. "this stands out to me"
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>Logan using HIS FUCKING GRANDSON as a taste tester like he's
>Caesar

of all the fucked up shit these people do, the way he called his own grandson into the room like that, then dismissed him when he didn't die, was the coldest act of anybody on the show

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173. "Yea that's why I think Kendall has to fuck him over somehow in the final..."
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Can't just let that shit go unpunished.

>>Logan using HIS FUCKING GRANDSON as a taste tester like
>he's
>>Caesar
>
>of all the fucked up shit these people do, the way he called
>his own grandson into the room like that, then dismissed him
>when he didn't die, was the coldest act of anybody on the
>show

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158. "is Succession just a high-end Entourage? Fun to watch but no stakes?"
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I loved the first two seasons of this show in a way I can't even explain, but nothing is really happening here...

DOJ threat? Nope, slap on the wrist fine.
Tom going to jail? Nope, gotcha.
Kendall brings Logan down? Nope.
They lose the company to Stewie? Nope.

Kendall's gotta be dead, or else what purpose did this season even serve?

  

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159. "two things re: the "nothing is happening" complaint:"
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1. All the things you listed, the "threats"? Those are things happening. They're affecting and morphing the characters. Just because none of them permanently changed RoyCo doesn't mean they were stakeless or had no impact.

2. Part of the whole point of the show is "these conglomerates are more powerful than the government and are too big to fail." Clearly it takes a perfect combination of skill, timing, pressure, and luck to even get *close* to bring down a major media conglomerate-- and even all of that may not be enough. And none of that has happened. The only thing that will bring down Logan, much like Murdoch or Trump or the rest, is if Logan dies.

I don't want them to kill off Kendall. Kendall is, in a lot of ways, the most interesting asshole in the family. He's certainly at a manic low right now, and something's going to happen to him, but it's not yet clear what. Considering much of the season has been a "I'm better than them, but I also want no consequences and their money" arc for Kendall, wouldn't be surprised if the season ends with either Kendall walking away without money or publicly confessing his part in wrongdoings (especially the caterer's death) to cleanse himself. Or maybe he fucks up the Madson deal irrevocably for his dad. Or maybe he successfully enlists a sibling to his cause after they say "enough's enough" with Logan-- or maybe Gerri if she gets canned for Roman's dick pic. And there are certainly plenty of other possibilities not mentioned here.

But there's no real replacement for Kendall on the show. His character has changed more than any other over the show and over this season. And this show has never gone the "shock death" route. They almost always go the "shock how this person's life is fucked for the immediate future" route.

If anyone dies, it would almost certainly be Logan. He's the one whose health is clearly in question, and he's the one whose death would have by miles the most shattering impact on RoyCo's position in America and the family in general.

>I loved the first two seasons of this show in a way I can't
>even explain, but nothing is really happening here...
>
>DOJ threat? Nope, slap on the wrist fine.
>Tom going to jail? Nope, gotcha.
>Kendall brings Logan down? Nope.
>They lose the company to Stewie? Nope.
>
>Kendall's gotta be dead, or else what purpose did this season
>even serve?
>

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161. "well put on all "
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just sort of feels like for the first time there's been a stasis in the plot. I also don't want Kendall to die, he's my favorite. Something about the way Jeremy Strong plays the character makes Kendall easy to root for despite how despicable he can be.

  

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162. "Eh... I don't know if Kendall hasn't changed more than Shiv"
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She's gone from idealistic prick with morals to, what, Kendall with boobs and a different set of mommy issues over these 3 seasons? That may be boiling things down a bit far and/or sexist, for which I apologize, but she's pretty much in the position kendall was at the beginning of the series after starting being an outsider with the Bernie stand-in that wanted to bring Logan down. We've seen her ditch her ditch her 'moral' stance thrice so far (talking the cruise victim out of testifying, co-signing a fascist, and gaslighting Gerri). Ken may be the most 'sympathetic' changed fuck-up in this family (and I use that very loosely), but Shiv is very much in the running.

Either way, they are all terrible, horrible, entitled, unredeemable POS across the board. I love it.

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174. "All this."
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>1. All the things you listed, the "threats"? Those are things
>happening. They're affecting and morphing the characters. Just
>because none of them permanently changed RoyCo doesn't mean
>they were stakeless or had no impact.
>
>2. Part of the whole point of the show is "these conglomerates
>are more powerful than the government and are too big to
>fail." Clearly it takes a perfect combination of skill,
>timing, pressure, and luck to even get *close* to bring down a
>major media conglomerate-- and even all of that may not be
>enough. And none of that has happened. The only thing that
>will bring down Logan, much like Murdoch or Trump or the rest,
>is if Logan dies.
>
>I don't want them to kill off Kendall. Kendall is, in a lot of
>ways, the most interesting asshole in the family. He's
>certainly at a manic low right now, and something's going to
>happen to him, but it's not yet clear what. Considering much
>of the season has been a "I'm better than them, but I also
>want no consequences and their money" arc for Kendall,
>wouldn't be surprised if the season ends with either Kendall
>walking away without money or publicly confessing his part in
>wrongdoings (especially the caterer's death) to cleanse
>himself. Or maybe he fucks up the Madson deal irrevocably for
>his dad. Or maybe he successfully enlists a sibling to his
>cause after they say "enough's enough" with Logan-- or maybe
>Gerri if she gets canned for Roman's dick pic. And there are
>certainly plenty of other possibilities not mentioned here.
>
>But there's no real replacement for Kendall on the show. His
>character has changed more than any other over the show and
>over this season. And this show has never gone the "shock
>death" route. They almost always go the "shock how this
>person's life is fucked for the immediate future" route.
>
>If anyone dies, it would almost certainly be Logan. He's the
>one whose health is clearly in question, and he's the one
>whose death would have by miles the most shattering impact on
>RoyCo's position in America and the family in general.
>
>>I loved the first two seasons of this show in a way I can't
>>even explain, but nothing is really happening here...
>>
>>DOJ threat? Nope, slap on the wrist fine.
>>Tom going to jail? Nope, gotcha.
>>Kendall brings Logan down? Nope.
>>They lose the company to Stewie? Nope.
>>
>>Kendall's gotta be dead, or else what purpose did this
>season
>>even serve?
>>
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163. "RE: is Succession just a high-end Entourage? Fun to watch but no stakes?"
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165. "The stakes are all off-screen"
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Nothing has been happening for the entire run of the show, just absurdly wealthy and provocatively stupid people re-arranging entire industries over petty beefs with one another and shouting "business!"

None of the maneuvering between the Roys and their various external nemeses are meant to "matter" in any durable sense. No matter what happens, the Roys will be fine. The stakes are experienced by the people we don't see, or barely see, like the dead waiter.

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175. "Also all this."
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>Nothing has been happening for the entire run of the show,
>just absurdly wealthy and provocatively stupid people
>re-arranging entire industries over petty beefs with one
>another and shouting "business!"
>
>None of the maneuvering between the Roys and their various
>external nemeses are meant to "matter" in any durable sense.
>No matter what happens, the Roys will be fine. The stakes are
>experienced by the people we don't see, or barely see, like
>the dead waiter.

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177. "Entourage tho?"
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come on, man. that's just low

  

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178. "Gerri's dude is the DOJ connect, right?"
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they may be underestimating just how much she can fuck them

  

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179. "Oh right - I think so."
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180. "We're gonna find out Shiv's pregnant in the finale, I think."
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181. "god i hope not"
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for the sake of that poor fictional kid

  

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182. "Haha totally. And Tom, to a lesser extent."
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That guy is soooooo demoralized and emasculated.

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184. "props to Tom though"
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>That guy is soooooo demoralized and emasculated.

my man has been serving up the best one-liners, even through all the pain

"camel's labia" when describing the diner food was an all-timer

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