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"What are the best and worst Actor's choices you can think of?"


  

          

If folks need an explanation of what an Actor's choices are this is a pretty good explanation.

http://theatredoconacting.blogspot.com/2010/11/acting-choices.html?m=1


For some of the best that come to mind I think of Johnny Depp playing Jack Sparrow as Mick Jagger. Just about all the choices Heath Ledger made for depicting the joker (speech pattern, walk, etc.). Val Kilmer's speech pattern for Doc Holiday in Tombstone.

For some of the worst I think of Don Cheadles British accent in the ocean 11 movies. Damon Wayan's performance in Bamboozled as an uptight uppity brother (this may be more miscasting then poor choices though). Initially I hated Daniel Craig's Southern Drawl in Knives Out but now on repeat I just see it as camp.

What comes to mind for you?

  

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Gylenhaal’s mannerisms as Loki in Prisoners
Sep 22nd 2021
1
Don't know it but its on Hulu. Will check it out.
Sep 22nd 2021
2
Such a good movie. Great cast as well.
Sep 24th 2021
11
      I watched again this weekend. I had forgotten I had seen it before.
Sep 27th 2021
28
           He asked for them as part of the character's orphan backstory
Sep 27th 2021
33
I agree. as a counterpoint, everything he did in Okja
Sep 26th 2021
19
a bad one that comes to mind: brad pitt's "insane asylum guy" in 12 Monk...
Sep 23rd 2021
3
I actually liked that!
Sep 23rd 2021
4
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Sep 23rd 2021
5
I forgot Bencio Del Toro's Fenster in the Usual Supsects.
Sep 23rd 2021
6
Vocally, he was channeling Thelonious Monk
Sep 27th 2021
30
It's funny you mentioned Cheadle and Craig...
Sep 23rd 2021
7
That's how they justified it as well.
Sep 24th 2021
13
I think Philip Seymour Hoffman (RIP) consistently made great choices
Sep 23rd 2021
8
Johnny Depp in...
Sep 24th 2021
9
Spacey in House of Cards
Sep 24th 2021
10
I’m still salty we didn’t get to see where that was going.
Sep 26th 2021
20
imo they handled it the worst they could
Sep 26th 2021
21
      Yeah - I meant in terms of the decision, not the execution.
Sep 27th 2021
29
Might as well add Robin Wright's take on Claire as well
Sep 27th 2021
26
Emma Stone as an Asian/Hawaiian woman.
Sep 24th 2021
12
Mike Myers in The Love Guru.
Sep 24th 2021
14
Johnny Depp and BDT in Fear and Loathing were great
Sep 24th 2021
15
Johnny Depp really owns this post.
Sep 25th 2021
16
Travolta's version of Robert Shapiro was... different
Sep 25th 2021
17
agreed, it was bizarre.
Sep 26th 2021
22
Al Pacino has never recovered from Scent of a Woman
Sep 26th 2021
18
lol
Sep 30th 2021
48
We could make this post just about Joker performances
Sep 26th 2021
23
Vince Vaughn's choices in True Detective 2 we're head-scratching
Sep 27th 2021
24
Wow. This is an all time weird AF choices
Sep 27th 2021
27
RE: Wow. This is an all time weird AF choices
Sep 29th 2021
42
I'll be the contrarian: I thought he was terrific.
Sep 27th 2021
31
      I agree, I was on edge of my seat for his scenes every episode
Sep 27th 2021
34
      Yeah, i thought he was good as well
Sep 28th 2021
40
      We agree to disagree
Sep 29th 2021
41
      Wow you guys are giving me TD Season 2 thread flashbacks.
Sep 30th 2021
47
Tom Hardy fan; I liked his approaches to the villains in The Revenant
Sep 27th 2021
25
Allen Payne's accent in "Jason's Lyric"
Sep 27th 2021
32
RE: What are the best and worst Actor's choices you can think of?
Sep 28th 2021
35
On the fence: Ashton Sanders as RZA in the second season...
Sep 28th 2021
36
It's actually gotten distracting and comes off too "put on"
Oct 01st 2021
51
Christian Bale "Bat voice"
Sep 28th 2021
37
This. Lol was just saying above I don't mind him as Bruce, but as
Sep 28th 2021
38
literally all of this
Sep 28th 2021
39
It's not that far off of over bat voices BTW
Sep 29th 2021
43
That sounds WAY different than all the others IMO
Sep 29th 2021
44
only one of those sounds like cookie monster
Sep 29th 2021
46
I think this is 50% Nolan’s fault though
Sep 29th 2021
45
I blame Nolan.
Sep 30th 2021
49
Mos Def's voice in 16 Blocks
Oct 01st 2021
50
I actually loved RDJ voice in Tropic Thunder
Oct 01st 2021
52
me too
Oct 12th 2021
54
Depp was channeling Keith Richards, not Jagger.
Oct 12th 2021
53
Touche.
Oct 13th 2021
55
Cage in Con Air and Keanu in Devils Advocate
Oct 14th 2021
56
Raul Julia and Anjelica Huston as Gomez and Morticia
Oct 15th 2021
57

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1. "Gylenhaal’s mannerisms as Loki in Prisoners"
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Everything about that character, on paper, isn’t all that interesting aside from his name. But Jake manages to turn him into a character every bit as untrustworthy and weird as everyone else in that movie, despite the script making it clear he’s such a straight forward cop dude.

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2. "Don't know it but its on Hulu. Will check it out. "
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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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11. "Such a good movie. Great cast as well."
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28. "I watched again this weekend. I had forgotten I had seen it before. "
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It was really good. Villeneuve really elevated a pretty simple genre story. So did the leads.

Really good restrained performance by JG. I was wondering did they cut out a whole backstory for his character or did they never really get into why he was so tatted up and a cop.


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33. "He asked for them as part of the character's orphan backstory"
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It's been a while since I've seen it so I don't remember if there's even more than a single line of dialogue about him coming up in foster homes (or was it juvenile detention) and that's why he takes the case so personally but that's kind of what I mean, he had the experience with Denis on Enemy and knew what he likes and brought a lot of his own ideas to the character.


It's really a movie full of good/interesting acting choices, I've been obsessed with David Dastmalchian since this movie also.


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19. "I agree. as a counterpoint, everything he did in Okja"
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3. "a bad one that comes to mind: brad pitt's "insane asylum guy" in 12 Monk..."
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he definitely could've dug deeper to make the character more unhinged.. it was like watching his pot-smoking character in True Romance, maybe just hopped up on a lot of caffeine?

  

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4. "I actually liked that!"
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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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5. "."
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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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6. "I forgot Bencio Del Toro's Fenster in the Usual Supsects. "
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I wasn't familiar with BDT so I thought he was that guy and those were his mannerism. Now I have to go research where he came up with all of that.


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30. "Vocally, he was channeling Thelonious Monk"
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>Now I have to go research where he came up with all of that.

Seriously, watch the documentary "Straight No Chaser." At least a line of two from "Usual" were taken from that film.

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7. "It's funny you mentioned Cheadle and Craig..."
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Because I DEFINITELY saw Cheadle's accent as camp. That character was hyperbole even in universe with him playing a character, so the campy accent totally fits to me.


>For some of the worst I think of Don Cheadles British accent
>in the ocean 11 movies.
>Initially I hated
>Daniel Craig's Southern Drawl in Knives Out but now on repeat
>I just see it as camp.

  

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13. "That's how they justified it as well. "
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A super campy cockney accent. He pulled it off much better in Ocean's 13.

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8. "I think Philip Seymour Hoffman (RIP) consistently made great choices"
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His performance in Capote came to mind. He brought Capote to life in a way that didn't come off as mimicry.

Chiwetel makes great choices as well. Each performance is different and he distinctly embodies his characters.

Of course, Meryl is a GOAT. I generally like Cate Blanchett's performances. I haven't seen much of her lately, but she was a beast in Blue Jasmine. She really nailed anxiety and depression and a dependent personality.

I wracked my brain for a while to think of bad acting choices. The only one that finally came to mind was DeNiro and Pacino in The Irishman. I didn't connect enough to the movie to have a real sense of the reason their performances fell flat - their choices or the script. But I was very disappointed by their choices. Pesci however turned in one of his best performances.

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9. "Johnny Depp in..."
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10. "Spacey in House of Cards"
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A bit of Midnight in the Garden of Evil in his southern twang but I couldn't seen anyone else bringing Frank Underwood to life

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20. "I’m still salty we didn’t get to see where that was going. "
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Of course I understand why and they handled it as best they could, but man…

  

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21. "imo they handled it the worst they could"
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>Of course I understand why and they handled it as best they
>could, but man…

They murdered frank underwood (cool), declared it claire's show (great)... then all they ever talked about was frank underwood and his "legacy" (wtf?). That last season was a MESS, even for that show.

  

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29. "Yeah - I meant in terms of the decision, not the execution."
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To your point the execution was sloppy. They should have killed him off, moved to Claire, and completely ignored him.


>They murdered frank underwood (cool), declared it claire's
>show (great)... then all they ever talked about was frank
>underwood and his "legacy" (wtf?). That last season was a
>MESS, even for that show.

  

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26. "Might as well add Robin Wright's take on Claire as well"
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There's been a lot of political wives and First Lady's roles in tv and film, and I have to say she found a unique balance of sexy, stateswoman, and serial killer

I can't think of another political wife/First Lady role where the actress went so dark in *both* the character's personality and physicality

Robin made Claire way scarier than Frank, but in a way that turned Frank (and viewers lol) on

  

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12. "Emma Stone as an Asian/Hawaiian woman."
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She came extremely close, but couldn't quite pull it off.

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14. "Mike Myers in The Love Guru."
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Literally destroyed his own career and never recovered.

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15. "Johnny Depp and BDT in Fear and Loathing were great "
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16. "Johnny Depp really owns this post."
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I wonder if he's bad choices that people think didn't work.

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17. "Travolta's version of Robert Shapiro was... different"
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it didn't seem anything like I remembered the actual Robert Shapiro to be, but it completely fit the style of the series.

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22. "agreed, it was bizarre."
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>it didn't seem anything like I remembered the actual Robert
>Shapiro to be, but it completely fit the style of the series.
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actually Cuba was really weird as OJ too. Still fucking loved that show though. Couldn't get enough.

  

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18. "Al Pacino has never recovered from Scent of a Woman"
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23. "We could make this post just about Joker performances"
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Nicholson, Ledger, and Joaquin were all great in their own way, even if you don't love those movies. Shit, throw in Mark Hamill and Cesar Romero with his painted over mustache too.

Leto as Joker though... yeesh.

  

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24. "Vince Vaughn's choices in True Detective 2 we're head-scratching"
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That whole season was weird, mostly in ways that didn't land. But Vince's choice of accent for his character did not work at all. He also didn't seem menacing in any real way.

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27. "Wow. This is an all time weird AF choices"
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Soooo strange.

I didn't know who to blame, VV or the writer/director.

I guess he was trying to compete with Matthew McCoughahey but that was not it.

Good call back.


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42. "RE: Wow. This is an all time weird AF choices"
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> I didn't know who to blame, VV or > the writer/director.

You bring up an interesting point here about the right crew member to blame for a bad performance.

Roles/positions on a film crew seem very defined. That being said collaboration is so key.

Yes, it's easy to blame Vince or any actor giving a bad performance for seeming to miss the mark with their character.

But the director is also responsible in some respect because they approved the actor's take on the material.

Maybe the writer's vision was nebulous? That could lead both the director and actor going off in a direction that left the audience disconnected from the story.

Understanding film production is so mysterious to me. I don't know enough about it to form a clear answer about acknowledging the problem.

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31. "I'll be the contrarian: I thought he was terrific. "
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34. "I agree, I was on edge of my seat for his scenes every episode"
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He was the only one that seemed to realize they didn't have the material Season One had and tried to have some fun with it.

Honestly all the leads were really fantastic in that season, they just didn't have an interesting or coherent story to tell and the nonsense dialogue made them come off sillier than they were. And unlike McAdams, Farrell and Kitsch Vaughn kinda leaned into it and seemed like he was having a real good time.

I hope TDS2 gets its re-appraisal as an accidentally campy send up of the prestige limited series, it was a huge come down from TDS1 but it was fun in a really unique way.


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40. "Yeah, i thought he was good as well"
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It seemed like as soon as it became clear it wasn't gonna live up to S1, a lot of people decided he was the problem, but I thought he did well.

The writing in S2 wasn't great, and that Scooby Doo ass ending probably solidified it as a bust. I don't really think any of the True Detecive endings were very good, but S1 was so good up to that point, it was afterthought.

plus no performance really knocked it out the park the way McConaughey did

  

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41. "We agree to disagree"
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Maybe if I were more sensitive to the nuances of his performance, my satisfaction level with his acting might be different.

I do give him credit for trying a different take on a gangster.

But like I said above, Vaughn's attempt to appear intimidating in scenes that seemed to call for it fell flat to me. I just couldn't believe he was smart or powerful enough to pull off his deal, IIRC.

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47. "Wow you guys are giving me TD Season 2 thread flashbacks. "
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Yall are off your rockers. That ish was terrible including and especially VV.

And I am a VV fan. The Breakup is a grossly underrated RomCom.

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25. "Tom Hardy fan; I liked his approaches to the villains in The Revenant"
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and Dark Knight Rises a lot


I read somewhere that he's really into voices and it was particularly effective in those roles imho, along with his physical transformations


And speaking of the Batman franchise, I think my favorite one has been Michael Keaton although I might give Bale the edge as a more convincing tormented wealthy playboy Wayne


note: I'm rarely in PTP and not that much of a movie head, but this is a compelling topic lol good post

  

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32. "Allen Payne's accent in "Jason's Lyric""
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35. "RE: What are the best and worst Actor's choices you can think of?"
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>For some of the best that come to mind I think of Johnny Depp
>playing Jack Sparrow as Mick Jagger.

It was actually Keith Richards, but yes.. you're right about the point that it was a good choice. It was.

  

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36. "On the fence: Ashton Sanders as RZA in the second season..."
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...on Wu-Tang: An American Saga.

In general, he's an excellent actor. His decision to mimic RZA's speech patterns can be... off-putting. I don't think it's bad, but it certainly takes some getting used to, even though I know it's accurate.

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51. "It's actually gotten distracting and comes off too "put on""
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

  

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37. "Christian Bale "Bat voice""
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This has aged so poorly. I hated it at the time and I hate it everytime I go back to the Nolan Batman movies. It's distracting and ridiculous. Especially when he has to deliver meaningful dialogue.

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38. "This. Lol was just saying above I don't mind him as Bruce, but as "
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Batman there's just something about his voice and mouth that's off

  

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39. "literally all of this"
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>This has aged so poorly. I hated it at the time and I hate
>it everytime I go back to the Nolan Batman movies. It's
>distracting and ridiculous. Especially when he has to deliver
>meaningful dialogue.

  

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43. "It's not that far off of over bat voices BTW"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfUc_tQ482M



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44. "That sounds WAY different than all the others IMO "
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfUc_tQ482M

None of the others sound like they’re straining, and there were a lot of scenes where it looked like the cowl made it impossible for him to close his mouth.

  

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46. "only one of those sounds like cookie monster"
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the others mostly just lowered their voice a bit

  

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45. "I think this is 50% Nolan’s fault though"
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His sound mixing definitely hurt, but I think he’s somewhat behind the choice that Bale made with his voice too.

  

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49. "I blame Nolan. "
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Viewing Nolan's follow up films and refusal to make audio that's actually listenable, there's no way that wasnt his idea or him changing the audio levels.

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50. "Mos Def's voice in 16 Blocks"
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Shit was bad.
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but.....

Fuck aliens.

  

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52. "I actually loved RDJ voice in Tropic Thunder"
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54. "me too"
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53. "Depp was channeling Keith Richards, not Jagger."
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I think of Johnny Depp
>playing Jack Sparrow as Mick Jagger.

  

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55. "Touche."
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56. "Cage in Con Air and Keanu in Devils Advocate"
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Maybe Cage's accent is just so bad nobody mentioned it yet because we all universally agree its the worst ever? I recently discovered that the day that he wrapped Con Air he went and started filming Face Off. But for some reason that little piece of trivia kind of makes me think yeah that makes sense for his role in Face Off.

Also I know everyone loves Keanu but I will die on this hill. The man cant act for shit. Dont go bringing up John Wick either. Thats the only one his fans bring up. He is a great human being and works hard. But he cant act. Whoever thought hey lets give this non acting mufucka a southern accent should be shot. Also it comes and goes throughout the whole movie. Like they shot about 1/4 of the movie then decided you know what? The accent isnt working. Lets ditch it fuck continuity.

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57. "Raul Julia and Anjelica Huston as Gomez and Morticia"
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Nobody is touching them in those roles

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