7. "Favreau had already done Elf and Zathura by that point. " In response to Reply # 3
He'd already transitioned into big studio films before Iron Man.
Marvel started with established studio directors (Favreau, Branagh, Johnston), then started using folks better known for TV (Whedon, Alan Taylor, the Russos). Guys like Shane Black and James Gunn started the transition to "indie", because while they'd written screenplays for the studio system and directed minor works, they'd never done anything of that scale before.
I think Jon Watts for Spiderman: Homecoming was the first *real* indie pick from Marvel. He'd never done anything for the studio system at all, and then got handed the Spider-Man franchise. Pretty amazing.
After that's when they transitioned to Taika, Boden/Fleck, now Zhao, Shortland, etc.
There are a few examples of Marvel-to-indie directors before the MCU, but that's not much of a surprise, because it was spread around a variety of studios and no one really knew what they were doing. Sometimes it worked out (Blade II to Guillermo Del Toro), sometimes it didn't (Fantastic Four to Josh Trank).
But I think MCU's transition to indie voices is especially noteworthy because the machine is so large, and it's so easy for voices to be lost. Some of them have shone through (Taika, Black/Gunn if we want to argue for them), others have just gone along for the ride. It'll be interesting to see how this new batch does for Marvel.
6. "Im with you on the last two statements." In response to Reply # 5
That trailer was nothing. As someone who isn't hella deep in the Marvel Universe the trailer itself did nada. Maybe it's a slow burn of a movie? The other trailers will reveal more. I will probably be checking it out.
16. "I think it’s key to view it as a building block." In response to Reply # 0
-This is a fuckin top-tier collection of beautiful people in one movie. -Stakes is high. We can’t go back to “The Battle of NY”. -Probably top 10 most unnecessary sex scene. -Also, probably top 10 least aerodynamic space-faring vessel. -I’m so proud of Kumail. -Kinda happy they only referenced what we already know, and didn’t have to bring in anyone familiar for fans’ sake.
Someone I overheard from the restroom said it was boring, but memory can’t be so short that we forget that it took 20+ movies to get to the crescendo of “Endgame”.
19. "Manages to be way too much and way too little at once." In response to Reply # 0
Way too much as in too many characters, too much exposition, too many character decisions and moments that didn’t seem to make sense.
Way too little as in too little character development, too little non-CGI action, too few reasons to care.
Zhao doesn’t really get to do much save for a few pseudo-Malick montages and some expansive nature settings (way too much of this movie is just on a beach or in a desert, lol). The cast is largely fine, though they just aren’t given much to do. The 2h45 run time is brutal. Think this could’ve been more successful if they’d just had 2 or 3 fewer Eternals on the team.
And nitpicky, admittedly, but there’s a CGI moment in the mid-credits scene that’s reeeeeally rough. No clue if they rushed that or what, but sheesh. Hard to get excited about Eternals 2.
21. "Should have been a Disney + series. Spoilers" In response to Reply # 0 Sun Nov-07-21 01:57 AM by Cold Truth
Everything about this screams a dire need for longform storytelling.
I can see a solid 8 ep series of this working very well.
I think the Icarus would be better served to have him know what's going on the entire time, as perhaps the one eternal who has always known. I think it would work better storywise if he was an intentional failsafe, Ajak revealing the truth to him.
Watching him struggle to fulfill his mission, against his love for Sersi, would make him a much more interesting character, and a better plot point IMO.
but that's me.
Also, I hated how the deviants were basically generic monsters. They looked like Michael Bay's overly busy Transformers designs. Not good at all. They had no character. Even the evolved "alpha" deviant.
The Alpha Deviant was one of the least impactful Marvel "monsters" I can recall. Absolute nothingburger of design and consequence. Which is *insane* considering its powers-- but the movie just didn't develop it enough or deploy it successfully.
The whole shit needed 8-10 hours, so that it wasn't just a non-stop sea of exposition. It's really hard to get to know any of these characters enough to care in 2.5 hours.
23. "Well shot. Too many characters to do them all justice" In response to Reply # 0
Minor spoilers below
I found myself quickly forgetting certain names (the lady with the super speed got one key fight scene in, but no real character development, Gilgamesh didn’t get to do a lot before , etc)
MCU had been doing a great job with villain motivations up until this year. The villain in Black Widow was just an irredeemable horrible person for no apparent reason and it’s really unclear to me how The Celestial could be this powerful and couldn’t figure out a way to “reproduce” without causing such cataclysmic destruction. Can’t comment on Shang Chi without giving unbelievable spoilers there, but after you see it, inbox me.