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"Judas and the Black Messiah (King, 2020)"


  

          

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSjtGqRXQ9Y

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daniel kaluuya coming for that hardware.
Aug 07th 2020
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kills everything he's in. the Black Mirror episode. Get Out (of course)
Aug 07th 2020
2
      he was the only reason queen & slim was still a serious movie imo.
Aug 07th 2020
3
      he was real good in widows.
Aug 07th 2020
8
Really excited to see this. Trailer is straight fire.
Aug 07th 2020
4
Wait, for real?
Aug 07th 2020
5
      I didn’t watch that show.
Aug 07th 2020
6
           RE: I didn’t watch that show.
Aug 07th 2020
7
           Agree. More creepy than villainous most of the time.
Feb 13th 2021
14
           Oh, you should watch Friday Night Lights!
Aug 07th 2020
9
           RE: I didn’t watch that show.
Aug 11th 2020
10
I thought this shit was fire.
Jan 15th 2021
11
Enjoyed it! Going to watch it again tomorrow.
Feb 12th 2021
12
Very, very good, not sure it's great.
Feb 13th 2021
13
I agree with pretty much every word of this.
Feb 13th 2021
15
The shifting naratives
Feb 13th 2021
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Reeq
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1. "daniel kaluuya coming for that hardware."
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2. "kills everything he's in. the Black Mirror episode. Get Out (of course)"
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He was EASILY the best part of Widows. Didn't see Queen & Slim but I'm sure he held more than his own in that.

I hope this move does get a theatrical release. It's going to be a TOUGH watch though.

  

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Reeq
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3. "he was the only reason queen & slim was still a serious movie imo."
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8. "he was real good in widows."
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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Pamalama
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4. "Really excited to see this. Trailer is straight fire."
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Is there a show/movie where Todd/ Fake Matt Damon is not a villainous asshole?

  

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5. "Wait, for real?"
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>Is there a show/movie where Todd/ Fake Matt Damon is not a
>villainous asshole?

That's Landry Clarke. Even in the undeservedly dark season two arc they gave him on Friday Night Lights, he still came off as the dork who founded Crucifictorious.

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Pamalama
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6. "I didn’t watch that show."
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But Breaking Bad, Game Night, The Irishman and if I’m not mistaken, Fargo....all creepy villainous type stuff.

  

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mrhood75
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7. "RE: I didn’t watch that show."
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>Game Night

Id say that was creepy, but not villainous.

>Fargo

I wouldn't really call him villainous in Fargo either. He was a guy who got in over his head, and didn't know how to get out.

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14. "Agree. More creepy than villainous most of the time."
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But he does both well.


>>Game Night
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>Id say that was creepy, but not villainous.
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>>Fargo
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>I wouldn't really call him villainous in Fargo either. He was
>a guy who got in over his head, and didn't know how to get
>out.

^^ precisely. He was a total boob.

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Walleye
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9. "Oh, you should watch Friday Night Lights!"
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It's really good.

And if you've enjoyed hating Jesse Plemons as a villain, I can absolutely promise that you'll appreciate that most of America's introduction to the kid was as his character on Friday Night Lights.

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Original Juice
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10. "RE: I didn’t watch that show."
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He was a good kid in that show.. a real hardworking, stand-up young man with integrity.

  

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bwood
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11. "I thought this shit was fire."
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Just all-around a good shit.

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SuiteLady
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12. "Enjoyed it! Going to watch it again tomorrow."
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Nodima
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13. "Very, very good, not sure it's great."
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Sat Feb-13-21 04:40 AM by Nodima

  

          

Definitely need to watch it again to figure out just how petty my complaints are. I'm definitely not in the GD camp that's displeased with Kaluuya, he put his foot in this thing IMO. Sometimes I felt like O'Neil was just a little too nervy and obvious, or the script just isn't totally selling the scene or something. In the moment I'm thinking of when he says he last words to Hampton in the film, it just seems kind of...weird? I dunno, he just seems very worthy of suspicion a few times during this movie (another moment: when he's talking to George Sams) in a way that kinda slips into breezy biopic cliché sometimes. The sort of thing where a movie doesn't feel the need to convince you something happened because you already know it happened.


A true nitpick: Kaluuya and Stanfield look substantially older than everyone else to the point I was shocked when I looked them up afterward and remembered they're 31 and 29 respectively. I don't think it ever really comes across just how little removed from childhood these people were and misses a chance to hit a huge emotional beat on that level. I don't wish the performances were different though, so it's a hair and makeup thing maybe? Sheen's J. Edgar Hoover almost looks like a Scooby Doo villain in the wrong light.

All that to say, I get why some critics are going the 4/5 route with this. There's a lot to love here and a lot to be impressed by, but I didn't necessarily close the HBO Max app on my PS4 and think I'd just watched a movie of the year contender, either.

Maybe I'll try to catch a matinée on Monday and cross my fingers nobody else has the same idea. There's a chance I just walked away from that first trailer hyping myself up for the best movie of our time, for our time I need the big screen to shake me free from.


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15. "I agree with pretty much every word of this."
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>Definitely need to watch it again to figure out just how
>petty my complaints are. I'm definitely not in the GD camp
>that's displeased with Kaluuya, he put his foot in this thing
>IMO. Sometimes I felt like O'Neil was just a little too nervy
>and obvious, or the script just isn't totally selling the
>scene or something. In the moment I'm thinking of when he says
>he last words to Hampton in the film, it just seems kind
>of...weird? I dunno, he just seems very worthy of suspicion a
>few times during this movie (another moment: when he's talking
>to George Sams) in a way that kinda slips into breezy biopic
>cliché sometimes. The sort of thing where a movie doesn't
>feel the need to convince you something happened because you
>already know it happened.
>
>
>A true nitpick: Kaluuya and Stanfield look substantially older
>than everyone else to the point I was shocked when I looked
>them up afterward and remembered they're 31 and 29
>respectively. I don't think it ever really comes across just
>how little removed from childhood these people were and misses
>a chance to hit a huge emotional beat on that level. I don't
>wish the performances were different though, so it's a hair
>and makeup thing maybe? Sheen's J. Edgar Hoover almost looks
>like a Scooby Doo villain in the wrong light.
>
>All that to say, I get why some critics are going the 4/5
>route with this. There's a lot to love here and a lot to be
>impressed by, but I didn't necessarily close the HBO Max app
>on my PS4 and think I'd just watched a movie of the year
>contender, either.
>
>Maybe I'll try to catch a matinée on Monday and cross my
>fingers nobody else has the same idea. There's a chance I just
>walked away from that first trailer hyping myself up for the
>best movie of our time, for our time I need the big screen to
>shake me free from.
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~
>"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
>http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
>Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

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16. "The shifting naratives"
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between Hampton's storylines and the snitch's storyline took this movie down a notch IMO. The three main storylines of Fred Hampton's rise as a leader, the snitch's attempts to gain access to him, and Hampton's budding romance made the movie feel a bit jumbled and rushed IMO. I didn't feel as if the movie flowed naturally from beat to beat.

Not saying the film is by any stretch of the imagination a bad flick, but the abrupt shifts in the storylines took me out the movie a few times. Reminded me a bit of one of the reasons why I didn't like American Gangster.

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