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"Tenet (Christopher Nolan, 2020)"
Wed May-22-19 12:11 PM by bwood

          

My nigga back and the shit sounds weird b. IMAX 70mm here I come!!!

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Christopher Nolan's 2020 Action Epic Gets a Title
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BYTRACE WILLIAM COWEN
Trace William Cowen is a writer based in Los Angeles. He tweets with dramatic irregularity here.

MAY 22, 2019
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Consistently compelling writer/director Christopher Nolan's 2020 film, his first since the excellent Dunkirk, now has a proper title.

Per Deadline, Warner Bros. announced Wednesday that shooting has started on Tenet, starring Michael Caine, Dimple Kapadia, Kenneth Branagh, Robert Pattinson, John David Washington, Aaron Taylor-Johnson, and more. From what we know so far, Tenet will be an "action epic" spanning seven different countries. Ludwig Göransson, he of Black Panther and frequent Gambino collaborations, will score.

Pattinson, who—coincidentally enough—is now the new Batman, previously let loose some details on just how closely guarded the Tenet script-reviewing sessions have been. Speaking with USA Today in April, Pattinson revealed he was "locked in a room" and not given a personal copy.

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"I've been a little wary of doing big movies for years and years, but there's just something about Chris Nolan's stuff," he said. "He seems like the only director now who can do what is essentially a very personal, independent movie that has huge scale." As for the script, by Pattinson's estimation, it is indeed "unreal."

As for those previously circulated claims of Tenet being something in the vein of "North by Northwest in tone meets Inception," Warner Bros. has since squashed any such talk. In a statement to Complex in March, a studio rep said the description was inaccurate.


With 2017's Dunkirk, featuring a notable performance from Harry Styles, was again met with a cascade of awards nominations and wins, including a trio of Academy Awards in the sound and editing categories.

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Just so we're clear the official press release states...
May 24th 2019
1
!!!!
May 24th 2019
2
Wow!
May 24th 2019
3
Fascinating since my main knock on Nolan is...
Jun 15th 2019
4
      Nigga fuck outta here with that political correctness
Jun 15th 2019
5
Teaser is currently in front of Hobbs & Shaw
Aug 02nd 2019
6
RE: Tenet (Christopher Nolan, 2020)
Aug 09th 2019
7
the teaser did not play when i saw hobbs and shaw
Aug 12th 2019
8
Just saw the teaser before Scary Stories.
Aug 12th 2019
9
In front of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood IMAX
Aug 13th 2019
12
I read a description of the teaser and got excited
Aug 12th 2019
10
Somebody has to carry on tradition
Aug 12th 2019
11
when is this trailer supposed to hit online?
Sep 19th 2019
13
teaser
Dec 08th 2019
14
A close friend of mine is in this.
Dec 14th 2019
15
6 minute IMAX prologue in front of Rise of Skywalker
Dec 14th 2019
16
another obnoxious score from Captain Gearhead
Dec 14th 2019
17
Glass sucked
Dec 15th 2019
18
lmao
Dec 20th 2019
22
His name is Revolio Clockberg JUNIOR
May 23rd 2020
28
Trailer niggas
Dec 19th 2019
19
https://youtu.be/LdOM0x0XDMo
Dec 19th 2019
20
      Damnit Nolan
Dec 19th 2019
21
New trailer dropping on Fortnite tonight.
May 21st 2020
23
Interesting but dope
May 21st 2020
24
I hope it gets delayed.
May 21st 2020
27
Trailer niggas
May 21st 2020
25
      1st night. i dont care if i have to rock a hazmat suit.
May 21st 2020
26
      I’m so ready for this. Although I liked the first trailer slightly mor...
May 25th 2020
29
all i have for you is a word
Jul 20th 2020
30
final trailer.
Aug 22nd 2020
31
i kind of hate the song for this
Aug 23rd 2020
32
      i hate this shit too.
Aug 27th 2020
33
      prolly some cold calculated marketing decision.
Aug 27th 2020
34
btw the more they show of this...the slightly less excited i get.
Aug 27th 2020
35
Watched a cam copy today
Aug 30th 2020
36
could the sound issues have to do with the cam audio?
Aug 30th 2020
37
      The sound is supposedly promelatic in the theatre
Aug 30th 2020
39
           Exactly. My TV speakers were clipping.
Aug 31st 2020
40
           damn nolan.
Aug 31st 2020
41
           btw i downloaded the korean cam rip to sample it and yeah.
Aug 31st 2020
42
           hadn't really pinned that on him, but you're right
Aug 31st 2020
43
           hadn't really pinned that on him, but you're right
Aug 31st 2020
44
           nolan's awful sound mixes are a thing
Aug 31st 2020
45
           How is that still a thing?
Sep 02nd 2020
46
           eh, I saw it in theaters and had no problems hearing the dialogue.
Oct 07th 2020
55
whats the release schedule for this?
Aug 30th 2020
38
Holy sh**** watched in IMAX & loved it
Sep 03rd 2020
47
I loved this and all y'all watching the Korean dubbed cam version smh
Sep 04th 2020
48
bragging about watching a movie in theaters during a pandemic smh
Sep 04th 2020
49
Am I? Lol
Sep 04th 2020
50
They were speaking English
Sep 04th 2020
51
Saw it in IMAX with 0 other people in the building on a Monday night.
Sep 15th 2020
52
Re: saw yesterday in IMAX, ... i liked it
Oct 06th 2020
53
Saw it at a drive-in over the weekend. Enjoyed it.
Oct 06th 2020
54
Thought it was great. A *lot* of fun.
Oct 07th 2020
56
100% agree. I think its top 3 Nolan too
Oct 08th 2020
58
yep
Jan 17th 2021
79
a beautiful mess
Oct 07th 2020
57
Definitely not same sorta concept? Cmon son
Oct 09th 2020
59
Christopher Nolan’s latest film comes to digital and Blu-ray on Decemb...
Nov 05th 2020
60
it wasnt good and i couldnt hear shit
Nov 06th 2020
61
just watched it and yeah the sound is an issue.
Nov 28th 2020
62
holy shit! (spoiler)
Nov 28th 2020
63
      LOL. Dude, this was me.
Nov 28th 2020
64
           lol fam.
Nov 28th 2020
65
Awful
Dec 02nd 2020
66
I loved it.....
Dec 09th 2020
67
Seen it 3 times, loved it more and more for each viewing
Dec 10th 2020
68
they gotta take this mfs camera away
Dec 15th 2020
69
great action, over-written mess
Dec 15th 2020
70
if they had just not explained any of it
Dec 15th 2020
71
I'd watch a movie called Elizabeth Debicki is Tall
Dec 15th 2020
72
hahahahhaa
Dec 25th 2020
74
Man i love her and all her 6 foot 10ness
Jan 12th 2021
77
      she's legit like six feet taller than jdw
Jan 13th 2021
78
I really didn’t think I was gonna enjoy this but it was fun
Dec 16th 2020
73
Incredible. I loved it. Top 3 Nolan for me with Prestige and Dunkirk
Jan 11th 2021
75
This is 99.9% my reply, only Interstellar and Dunkirk. also
Jan 12th 2021
76
I wish I had the IMAX 70MM format
Jan 17th 2021
80
I get it - it's simply non-sense logic
Feb 15th 2021
81
This movie was average...
May 20th 2021
82
it would've been a much better movie
May 21st 2021
83
      I'm inclined to agree LOL.
May 21st 2021
84
Funny for all the trippy effects/visuals, the thing that was most indeli...
May 22nd 2021
85
Tuckets on sale for the re-release in 70mm and IMAX 70mm
Jan 25th 2024
86
I'll be there.
Jan 28th 2024
87
      Yeah I got IMAX 70mm tix
Jan 28th 2024
88
Yeah I love this now.
Feb 25th 2024
89
Fully agree on how core JDW's performance is to selling this movie
Feb 25th 2024
90
I just realized he’s basically Neo in the Matrix
Feb 25th 2024
91
      RE: The Protagonist, Nolan's not shy about admiring video games
Feb 26th 2024
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Seeing the replies concerned about The Protagonist
Feb 26th 2024
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bwood
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1. "Just so we're clear the official press release states..."
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... that John David Washington is the lead of this shit.

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2. "!!!! "
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I'm most def in.

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3. "Wow!"
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Go 'head.

  

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4. "Fascinating since my main knock on Nolan is..."
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...diversity. His films are largely white people featuring Morgan Freeman occasionally. LOL.

That’s why you using the n word to describe him in the opening post in this thread seemed hilariously wrong.

Cool that Ludwig got a job. I thought Coogler would keep him to himself forever. Would have been cooler if Ruth Carter got a gig on wardrobe tho. She has been under appreciated far too long. Until recently, obviously.

  

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5. "Nigga fuck outta here with that political correctness"
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bullshit. Stop being corny.

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6. "Teaser is currently in front of Hobbs & Shaw"
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Hopefully it'll be online soon.

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7. "RE: Tenet (Christopher Nolan, 2020)"
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I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I appreciate Nolan's passion for cinema in its pure form and the experience that is specific to watching movies in a theater. I like Nolan's films for the most part and even his weaker movies have strong scenes or concepts within them.

I think less is more as far as marketing before a movie and like that Nolan is one of the few filmmakers who have the clout to build intrigue in this way.

On the other hand, it's frustrating as a fan to conform my wish to learn about the movie to suit his whim. I don't want to see Hobbs and Shaw and the exclusive nature of the release actually makes me ever so slightly less enthused to watch the movie. I'm sure filmmakers of his generation don't like the online world (in some ways for good reason) but sometimes its best to feed the beast. Then again, the release strategy worked me up so much that I now learned more about the movie. Guess the plan worked.


https://nofilmschool.com/tenet-teaser-trailer-christopher-nolan

Phil Pirrello

August 2, 2019

Why Christopher Nolan's Release of the First 'Tenet' Trailer Is a Big Deal

The Dark Knight director's latest marketing move is turning watching trailers into an event.
Christopher Nolan has an enviable and virtually unique position in Hollywood filmmaking when it comes to the marketing of his films. They are always treated like events on par with the actual films themselves. He has considerable say in not just how they are presented and in what form, but, now, also when -- and where.

The Hollywood Reporter broke news Thursday night that the first teaser trailer for Nolan's upcoming Tenet is now playing before this weekend's Fast & Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw. (Read a breakdown of the trailer here). The 40-second teaser is not online; it's an in-theater only experience so far. And, if you want to see it, it is reportedly (right now) only playing at Regal Cinemas, according to ScreenCrush. The site will update their post if and when reports come in of Tenet's teaser trailer showing up at other theater chains, and we will do the same.

Having our first look at Nolan's top-secret movie starring John David Washington, Robert Pattinson, and Elizabeth Debicki confined to in theaters this weekend isn't surprising, seeing as how the cinema is The Dark Knight director's preferred venue. What is worth paying attention to his the roll out of location. If indeed Tenet's brief teaser is only playing at one theater chain, that represents a unique milestone in the studio-exhibitor relationship, one forged by the sheer will and brand of Nolan as a filmmaker.


Ever since The Dark Knight released its first teaser trailer, Nolan and his fellow filmmakers revealed their mandate and strategy when it comes to marketing their works: Less is more. The famous (if not iconic) teaser started with black as the Bat symbol appeared backlit. As Alfred (Michael Caine) told his story in voiceover about how some men "just want to watch the world burn," the Bat symbol gradually fractured and broke apart before a Joker card appeared along with the villain's infamous laugh.

No footage. Just 59 seconds of keyart, a title card, and a release date. This minimalist approach proved effective because The Dark Knight, is, well, The Dark Knight. (Nolan piloted this approach with his first game-changing teaser for Batman Begins, which gave us some footage and also employed similar voiceover, this time from Christian Bale - though none of Bale's narration made it into the final cut of the film.)

Ever since then, graphical representations that speak to his films' themes and tones have been Nolan's marketing M.O., while also using short bursts of footage that literally interpret the purpose of a teaser as exactly that.

Tenet ups the ante there by making its viewing an event; if you want to see it, then you have to come to the medium it was made for. By limiting its location increases its event status (and, also, garners good will for studio Warner Bros. with exhibitors and vice versa).

The lesson here is -- look, we all want to be at Nolan's level. Both as a creative entity and business partner. On the day when that (or a version of it) happens, while our paths to that end goal will be different from one of the best directors working today, what hopefully will be similar is the means we use to uphold the value of the theatrical experience we worked so hard to put our vision through. Trailers now are basically plot recaps preceded by MPAA green bands; marketing movies has become a lost art -- and it is definitely an art form. The internet is full of discussion about trailers better than the movie (see GoldenEye or Die Another Day's respective teaser trailers, or Alien 3's). Nolan and his team's embrace of the "less is more" approach is a way to bring the art of it all back, while also helping bring audiences right where Nolan -- and you -- want them: At the edge of their seats.

Earn it. Make the viewer feel like they got their money's worth; don't spoil or reveal all of your big set pieces too soon or flood the market with them in TV spots. When you arrive at a place of influence in your career, like Nolan has, the take away here is to both protect and service your film through its marketing. Don't show more than what you want the audience to have; you set the tone.

One hopefully your collaborators at the studio-level will hear loud and clear.

Tenet arrives in theaters (all theaters, mind you) July 17, 2020. Hobbs & Shaw is now playing.

What changes would you help make or want to see made when it comes to the marketing of your work? What approach would you take, or prefer, for how distributors build a marketing plan around your movie or television project? That's your cue to sound off below.

  

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8. "the teaser did not play when i saw hobbs and shaw"
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how weird

  

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9. "Just saw the teaser before Scary Stories."
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Holy shit it's very interesting.

And John David Washington is front and center.

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12. "In front of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood IMAX"
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If it's playing near an IMAX near you m

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10. "I read a description of the teaser and got excited"
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Nolan really sticking to his pre-social media/only-on-the-big-screen guns here, huh? All good.

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11. "Somebody has to carry on tradition"
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13. "when is this trailer supposed to hit online?"
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14. "teaser"
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15. "A close friend of mine is in this. "
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It's a nothing part, just a guy among many in a critical scene, but being able to say "I was in a Christopher Nolan movie and got to chill with John David Washington" is still a cool ass card to have in the deck.

Can't wait.

  

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16. "6 minute IMAX prologue in front of Rise of Skywalker"
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Hope y'all copped IMAX tix

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17. "another obnoxious score from Captain Gearhead"
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18. "Glass sucked"
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28. "His name is Revolio Clockberg JUNIOR"
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___________________

Mar-A-Lago delenda est

  

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19. "Trailer niggas"
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20. "https://youtu.be/LdOM0x0XDMo"
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21. "Damnit Nolan"
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He's doing it to me again. I'm in first night, JDW and Rob Pattinson. Shit looks like wind. Just hope it's not strictly a time heist flick.

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23. "New trailer dropping on Fortnite tonight. "
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Yes this is for real. No it's not a joke.

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24. "Interesting but dope"
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But the real question is when is the movie is going to be released?

There's an article out there that says WB is going to wait until worldwide theater capacity is at ~30-35% to release the movie.

But I'd think they'd take a bath on the movie since the production cost alone is ~$200M. Add on another $50M in marketing and that Nolan is getting ~20% of the first take and they'd have to clear a BIG number to break even. Is that even possible unless theaters just showed Tenet along for a month?

Would they release it VOD? I know Nolan wouldn't be pleased with that.

What are you hearing about the release?

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27. "I hope it gets delayed. "
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I wanna see this in a packed IMAX theater when it's safe.

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25. "Trailer niggas"
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https://youtu.be/L3pk_TBkihU

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26. "1st night. i dont care if i have to rock a hazmat suit."
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29. "I’m so ready for this. Although I liked the first trailer slightly mor..."
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30. "all i have for you is a word"
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31. "final trailer."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZGcmvrTX9M

lfg!

  

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32. "i kind of hate the song for this"
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but i'm an old, crotchety, out of touch person


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33. "i hate this shit too. "
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>but i'm an old, crotchety, out of touch person

its got nothing to do with it.

the song sucks and it doesn't feel right with the visuals.

i couldn't sit more than 30 seconds through it before Xing out of it.

  

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34. "prolly some cold calculated marketing decision."
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maybe interest is lagging in whatever male demo travis scott appeals to.

other than that...i got nothing. its mad out of step with rest of the film rollout and uncharacteristic of nolan himself.

  

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35. "btw the more they show of this...the slightly less excited i get."
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im not sure why.

  

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36. "Watched a cam copy today"
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This is Nolan on steroids which is not a good thing.

Everyone has complained about the sound mixing in his movies, here it's a big fucking problem. Which is not good for a movie with wall to wall exposition about inversion entropy and physics.

Ludwig's score overpowered the whole movie. Good thing it's fire.

John David carries the movie on his charisma alone. His nameless character calls himself the protagonist twice in this. I shit you not.

Rob Pattinson was good as always. Him and John David Washington have great chemistry.

Elizabeth Debicki's character is a literal punching bag. There's 2 scenes in here that we both looked at each other like what the fuck.

Kenneth Barangh's Sator is such an over the top and overpowered villain.

Gonna give it a rewatch tomorrow through headphones. Hope I don't go deaf.

But yeah, this is not very good. Please don't risk contracting COVID-19 to see this.

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37. "could the sound issues have to do with the cam audio?"
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the mixing on cam rips is usually tinny and treble heavy.

they tend to sound like shit at high volume.

  

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39. "The sound is supposedly promelatic in the theatre"
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https://entertainment.ie/cinema/movie-news/tenet-sound-mixing-460957/

The sound mix in 'Tenet' is pretty awful. Explosions and Ludwig Goransson's soundtrack often drown out dialogue to a point of it being unintelligible. At least one key scene involving some pretty key story points is done during wind sailing over a crackling intercom system.


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https://www.rereleasenews.com/2020/08/22/first-tenet-audiences-complain-about-inaudible-dialogue/

First Tenet Audiences Describe Inaudible Dialogue
Inaudible dialogue has been a signature trademark of director Christopher Nolan and his newest film is no exception to the rule.

While “Tenet” won’t open in the United States for a few more days, reporters who attended press screenings along with early audiences in New Zealand and Australia have noted difficulty hearing exposition dialogue in the movie.

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Note: I d/ld a 5GB KOR camrip and the sound on that is bad because of it being a CAM - but I'm sure the sound is bad even if you do go see it in the theater.

He's ALWAYS had bad bad bad sound mixes.

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40. "Exactly. My TV speakers were clipping. "
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My brother and I said it would've been much worse in a theater.

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41. "damn nolan."
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42. "btw i downloaded the korean cam rip to sample it and yeah."
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i dont doubt that the sound in theaters is mixed bad. but the cam audio prolly makes it a lot worse.

  

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43. "hadn't really pinned that on him, but you're right"
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>He's ALWAYS had bad bad bad sound mixes.

for such a famous auteur, it's surprising that he keeps messing this up.

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44. "hadn't really pinned that on him, but you're right"
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>He's ALWAYS had bad bad bad sound mixes.

for such a famous auteur, it's surprising that he keeps messing this up.

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45. "nolan's awful sound mixes are a thing"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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46. "How is that still a thing?"
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I know Nolan is a money earner but you would think at some point Warner Bros would demand he mix his movie audio better.

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55. "eh, I saw it in theaters and had no problems hearing the dialogue."
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It's occasionally maybe a bit tricky because characters are wearing masks during action scenes, but I didn't think the clarity was sacrificed.

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38. "whats the release schedule for this?"
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are they just dropping it in theaters with a reduced audience to get it out there and fast tracking it to vod/streaming?

or are they really gonna let it go through a typical run then bring it to homes a few months later?

  

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47. "Holy sh**** watched in IMAX & loved it"
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My brain and ears are tired now

  

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48. "I loved this and all y'all watching the Korean dubbed cam version smh"
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49. "bragging about watching a movie in theaters during a pandemic smh"
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50. "Am I? Lol"
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51. "They were speaking English "
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Glad to know that somehow you were in the room watching it with me knowing exactly which version I was watching.

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52. "Saw it in IMAX with 0 other people in the building on a Monday night."
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Man, if working in bars and restaurants is a weird experience right now I can't even imagine what theater workers are going through. AMC is not taking this shit lightly though. Granted again there were literally no other movies playing in a 14 cinema multiplex and literally no one else had a ticket to see this thing, but they still had the ticket counter and concessions set up with barricades as if it was a Star Wars or Marvel premiere night.

So you wind your way through this long maze while one person stands at the concession counter to check your ticket and they ask you to sanitize your phone, hand it to them, sanitize your hands, they re-sanitize your phone after confirming the ticket, strongly imply they'd like you to re-sanitize your hands after taking back your phone, let you know where the bathrooms are rather than where your theater is located and don't ask if you'd like anything to eat or drink.

Again, as somebody who lives in one of the least affected states this summer and has really only been out to work at my restaurant or be on the patio at the bar across the street but otherwise orders everything delivery, it was wild stepping into a national, corporate building for the first time since the pandemic. It almost scared me away, which I guess is the point, right?

Anyway, Tenet. Is this supposed to be Nolan's new trilogy? This whole thing felt like a prologue, or like it was making fun of the enterprise of blockbuster filmmaking or something. Looked great, John David Washington is officially a star, but I gotta say this movie lacked some kind of...oomph. At the start of every big action scene I was on the edge of my seat, but by their conclusion I honestly felt kind of dull. Going in I was worried that the movie's big gimmick was going to be too tremendous for the movie to be able to take advantage of it as much as I wanted or keep it making sense and I think my hunch was right. Edit: that being said, when the pivot hits at the mid-point mark, this thing fucking does not let up on the NOS injection for a solid 45 minutes and it no longer matters that you don't know any of the characters' names or care about their motivations for being in this plot or what their role is in this story. Nolan gets to do his whiz-bang setpiece thing and nails it.

Ultimately, it's hard to say how much the scenario surrounding the movie affected that, but goddamn did it feel baseline pleasant to walk out of the theater and look around at the world in that dreamlike state where you're suddenly imagining how you'd film the location if it were in the movie you just saw, and to be in a huge room with a massive screen and awesome sound system completely glued to the movie rather than constantly checking OKP, Facebook or Reddit and forgetting what's going on. Watching movies at home kinda sucks, man.

But is it worth going to a theater to see Tenet? Not at all, other than how great it looked and sounded and the specifics of my experience in that I only saw and interacted with a single person during my three hours in that building which is a far cry from my own workplace. For what it's worth, I didn't think the movie had any sound issues at all other than when it was appropriate, and anyway almost all of the dialogue was expositional so it wasn't terribly interesting anyway. Other than the potential for a Tenet 2 and Nolan shoehorning a Black James Bond into our lives who also has the ability to travel through time, kind-of sort-of.

I probably won't go back to a theater the rest of the year.


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53. "Re: saw yesterday in IMAX, ... i liked it"
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but had to watch a youtube analysis when got home to help clarify my viewing experience.

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54. "Saw it at a drive-in over the weekend. Enjoyed it."
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Action set-pieces were great, and it was funny/entertaining, but the plot was incomprehensible.

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56. "Thought it was great. A *lot* of fun."
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Admittedly this sort of time travel shit is absolutely cat nip for me, so I may have been predestined to like it (or, perhaps, I've always liked it...). But yeah, the action is *outstanding*-- probably the best of Nolan's career. He's definitely giving you shit you've never seen before. And even if some of it is confusing in the moment-- something that *never* bothers me in movies, fwiw-- it's always fairly clearly explained afterward. I actually found it way less confusing than others have complained. (I also didn't have trouble with the audio. So perhaps those two factors are connected?)

And JDW is a terrific lead-- would love to see him in an even more stripped-down action flick, a Liam Neeson or John Wick kind of jam where he's just pummeling fools.

This is probably a Top 3-4 Nolan for me. Inventive, funny, slick, and filled with terrific action. Looking forward to the Bluray release.

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58. "100% agree. I think its top 3 Nolan too"
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Batman aside (love them, I just don’t think of them as «Nolan» movies in that sense»)

I think my current Nolan top 3 is

1. Interstellar

And 2 + 3 is a tie between Tenet, Dunkirk and The Prestige

I’ve seen it in movie theatres 3 times now and I loved it even more on my 2. and 3. watch

  

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79. "yep"
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this is Nolan's set-piece mastery with just enough cleverness (like you said, the rules don't always make sense but all the general ideas are easily absorbed).

it deserved a wider audience on the big screen, but it'll go down as one of Nolan's best.

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57. "a beautiful mess"
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it was too confusing and reminded me too much of inception, same sorta concept. i didn't really care what happened, i just wanted to
look at john david washington.

  

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59. "Definitely not same sorta concept? Cmon son"
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60. "Christopher Nolan’s latest film comes to digital and Blu-ray on Decemb..."
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https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/5/21551390/tenet-home-release-date-dvd-blu-ray-digital-nolan

Warner Bros. released a price breakdown for the physical edition:

4K UHD combo pack — $44.95
Blu-ray — $35.99
DVD — $28.98

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61. "it wasnt good and i couldnt hear shit"
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there was some cool looking shit in it though.

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62. "just watched it and yeah the sound is an issue."
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i downloaded few different versions because i thought maybe the audio wasnt ripped right.

but its just the way the movie was made.

you gotta be a pretty stubborn dude to leave that shit the way it is after so many people have complained about it. it really is off putting and takes away from the experience of the movie.

  

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63. "holy shit! (spoiler)"
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i didnt realize that dude was aaron taylor johnson.

i remember before the movie came out nolan or somebody saying he was unrecognizable in the film.

i had completely forgot about that until i watched it a second time and let the credits roll. then i saw his name.

  

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64. "LOL. Dude, this was me. "
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The first time I saw him on screen, I said to my wife, “Is that Daniel Radcliffe?” and spent the rest of the film convinced it was Harry Potter. Saw it was Johnson during the credits and was shocked. Wife still makes fun of me about it.

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65. "lol fam."
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i dont even know how you change your face like that. its not like he lost a shit ton of weight or hasnt had facial hair in the past.

  

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66. "Awful"
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I somehow liked this less than Dark Knight Rises.

Nolan is the LAST filmmaker I'd want anywhere near the Bond franchise.

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67. "I loved it....."
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It was far from perfect, but I dont get all the hate Ive been seeing for it.

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68. "Seen it 3 times, loved it more and more for each viewing"
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>My nigga back and the shit sounds weird b. IMAX 70mm here I
>come!!!
>
>https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.complex.com%2Fpop-culture%2F2019%2F05%2Fchristopher-nolan-2020-action-epic-gets-title%3Futm_campaign%3Dcomplexmag%26utm_source%3Dfacebook.com%26utm_medium%3Dsocial&h=AT2sblAT1YljeEg2-LRn6iRpo-SxR1AQ8XgRBnN2051TqdRFjrcv2a8PRwK06YIgIfGGF9_sgm3ge6SPfxef1gnBxaNhAhd_OLIwCPPeW7vkUOna0JHxO6gng0F3GzjbRf_DNNsURQ
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>Christopher Nolan's 2020 Action Epic Gets a Title
>Trace William Cowen
>BYTRACE WILLIAM COWEN
>Trace William Cowen is a writer based in Los Angeles. He
>tweets with dramatic irregularity here.
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>MAY 22, 2019
>christopher nolan
>Image via Getty/Matt Winkelmeye
>Consistently compelling writer/director Christopher Nolan's
>2020 film, his first since the excellent Dunkirk, now has a
>proper title.
>
>Per Deadline, Warner Bros. announced Wednesday that shooting
>has started on Tenet, starring Michael Caine, Dimple Kapadia,
>Kenneth Branagh, Robert Pattinson, John David Washington,
>Aaron Taylor-Johnson, and more. From what we know so far,
>Tenet will be an "action epic" spanning seven different
>countries. Ludwig Göransson, he of Black Panther and frequent
>Gambino collaborations, will score.
>
>Pattinson, who—coincidentally enough—is now the new
>Batman, previously let loose some details on just how closely
>guarded the Tenet script-reviewing sessions have been.
>Speaking with USA Today in April, Pattinson revealed he was
>"locked in a room" and not given a personal copy.
>
>–– ADVERTISEMENT ––
>
>
>
>"I've been a little wary of doing big movies for years and
>years, but there's just something about Chris Nolan's stuff,"
>he said. "He seems like the only director now who can do what
>is essentially a very personal, independent movie that has
>huge scale." As for the script, by Pattinson's estimation, it
>is indeed "unreal."
>
>As for those previously circulated claims of Tenet being
>something in the vein of "North by Northwest in tone meets
>Inception," Warner Bros. has since squashed any such talk. In
>a statement to Complex in March, a studio rep said the
>description was inaccurate.
>
>
>With 2017's Dunkirk, featuring a notable performance from
>Harry Styles, was again met with a cascade of awards
>nominations and wins, including a trio of Academy Awards in
>the sound and editing categories.

  

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69. "they gotta take this mfs camera away"
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I guess it's supposed to make sense by the time you get to the end?

but it could've crawled up its own ass 75 percent less and been twice as good.


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70. "great action, over-written mess"
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it's kinda stupendous that for how confident Nolan is shooting action, and some of the scenes her are among the best he's done, he feels like he needs to spend soooo much time on exposition. Also he clearly still has no idea how to come up with interesting female characters. Oh and the sound mixing was as bad as I'd read. Switched to my noise-canceling headphones after 15mins, and it still wasn't great.

JDW was great though, I want to see him in more action for sure. And he had me looking up how much those polos he was rocking throughout cost (you don't wanna know lol)

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71. "if they had just not explained any of it"
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if all the explanation had been boiled down to "man, idk time shit" and looking directly into the camera


it would be a better movie

and the character being referred to as the protagonist is just some shit

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72. "I'd watch a movie called Elizabeth Debicki is Tall"
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74. "hahahahhaa"
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77. "Man i love her and all her 6 foot 10ness"
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78. "she's legit like six feet taller than jdw"
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73. "I really didn’t think I was gonna enjoy this but it was fun"
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I begrudgingly rewatched Inception a few months back and the exposition-filled dialogue was a complete bore. I was shocked that I used to like the movie and was worried Tenet would fall into the same territory. It basically did, but the premise and the action is more fun and I’m actually excited to rewatch it. Nolan needs to calm down on the exposition though. I mean Christ... the only way to enjoy it was to not follow every detail lol.

  

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75. "Incredible. I loved it. Top 3 Nolan for me with Prestige and Dunkirk"
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I have a million things to say but first and foremost

1. JDW is a superstar
2. Closed Captions + big 4k tv at home plus sushi -- perfect viewing experience first time not. Now I need to see it in IMAX
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76. "This is 99.9% my reply, only Interstellar and Dunkirk. also"
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Yes @ these 3:

>I have a million things to say but first and foremost
>
>1. JDW is a superstar
>2. Closed Captions + big 4k tv at home plus sushi -- perfect
>viewing experience first time not. Now I need to see it in
>IMAX
>3. LUDWIG

  

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80. "I wish I had the IMAX 70MM format "
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I saw Dunkirk in that, and of course seeing it again at home has dulled that experience's shine

but I'm glad I got the captions at home

JDW + Pattinson were perfect together

1. Inception
2. The Prestige
3. Tenet

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81. "I get it - it's simply non-sense logic"
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Didn't seem that difficult - BUT didn't seem that clever either.

It's simple because "reverse entropy" doesn't work. Once you understand that then you can follow the logic they present - ** AND only the logic presented is what you have to follow because it doesn't actually track.**

I think if I hadn't have read all those Greg Egan books, especially the Orthogonal trilogy I'd have been much more confused. All of the "time travel" that takes place in the book is nonsense - but it is presented as an axiom so you go with it. That's the entire point.

The explosion causing frostbite isn't reverse entropy - it's simply "OPPOSITE DAY" logic.

It's like Lisa trying to explain global warming to Homer:
Homer: Wait, wait, wait, so in August it's cold?
Lisa: That's right.
Homer: And in February, it's hot?
Lisa: Mm-hm.
Homer: So it's opposite land! Crooks chase cops, cats have puppies!
Lisa: No, Dad, it's just the weather.
Homer: So hot snow falls up?

So all my questions went away when I realized that you could have an effect without a cause and it didn't matter.

It was fine - I think of this more as a sloppy sci-fi short story rather than a mind blowing super scientifical genius movie.

Or I could be just "smart" but you have to be really really smart to "get it." Either way is fine for me.

As for the film - I watched a REMUX of the 4K discs with subtitles on and the film looked and sounded great - until the so so so overpowering final credit song - my system could not handle that.


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82. "This movie was average..."
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..which means not good in the world of blockbuster films.

This wasn't great, wasn't terrible, but wasn't much more than "..ehh..."

This felt like Terminator meets Inception, in a bad way. The CGI/action wasn't impressive, while the writing & tone were dry a best.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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83. "it would've been a much better movie"
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if it had 1/10th of the budget

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84. "I'm inclined to agree LOL."
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for me was the agents living in the wind turbines. I want a whole movie about the period between missions and showing how they spend their down time living in those things.

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86. "Tuckets on sale for the re-release in 70mm and IMAX 70mm"
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87. "I'll be there."
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Loved it when I saw it during the pandemic. Excited to see it again, hopefully this time with a packed house.

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88. "Yeah I got IMAX 70mm tix"
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on the 8 story joint of course.

I got good seats, but damn did tickets move fast the entire week it's playing.

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89. "Yeah I love this now."
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After seeing it with a sold-out crowd on the 8-story IMAX with a film print, this movie is fun and cool as fuck. Also, very funny. The audience was clapping, laughing, cheering, and gasping at the Oppenheimer mention. Huge applause at the end.

The plot is really easy to understand.

John David is The Protagonist. The performance is all in the face. His character and who he is is all in his face and how his character reacts to the information given to him and what it makes him do next. You need a blank slate to guide you through this high-concept world.

Fuck it! I want a GODFATHER PART II type of movie where it's both a sequel and a prequel. That way we can have John David and Uncle Denzel. Shit throw Tom Crusie and Will Smith in this too.

And this song slaps too. Reminds me of the 90s when songs and soundtracks would be albums of your favorite artists doing their thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDSq16hvZ68

If they do another re-release, I gotta go again in IMAX 70mm.

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90. "Fully agree on how core JDW's performance is to selling this movie"
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I do get, absolutely GET why some people struggle with how dry he is, or how little character he has, but for me he's so...stoic, right? Which makes the moments when he's unleashing his athleticism or looking beleaguered by the absurdity of his situation remarkably visceral.


I did re-watch this once at home, though, and I was even more disappointed by the plane stunt. I'll never discount the significance of its practicality, but if you're gonna come for Face/Off, you best not miss. Nolan missed.


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91. "I just realized he’s basically Neo in the Matrix"
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But with not much of a sense of humor. Once I realized that I was able to enjoy the character more. Not a perfect analogy by any means, he doesn’t have a single mentor and he’s better prepared for the new world he’s facing than Neo was, but he still has no clue what he’s getting himself into, so he operates as sort of a sponge just soaking up all the knowledge he can until he has to get in the action.

Still don’t know how to feel about him being called “Protagonist” though. I get the feeling that Nolan was like “oh you want to care about the main character? Fuck you, his name is Protagonist. I dare you to care now.”

“Don’t try to understand it, just feel it.” got a massive laugh in the theater. I remembered that line, knew it was coming up, and it still stunned me that they got away with it.

  

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92. "RE: The Protagonist, Nolan's not shy about admiring video games"
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Which, again, like Washington's performance if you don't get it or more importantly buy into it, doesn't matter, because of course it's objectively silly that the few times this man is addressed by name that's what he's called.


But the Neo thing is a banger of a key to that door, because it seems clear to me that ...ugh, it's even stupid to TYPE... "Protagonist" is just an avatar for the audience to receive this story. He's in almost every scene not because it matters that he's there, but because it matters that the audience can be both stunned by the words coming out of Dimple Kapadia's mouth and confident Protagonist will do exactly what he needs to do with that information.


That being said, I have to stress that I don't want to give Tenet more credit than it deserves, as someone who even pre-Oppenheimer would've slotted it somewhere in the upper-middle of the filmography at best. I just can't help but get a little excited when people notice what this movie fucked around and pulled off, because so much of this movie is so intensely unsubtle that pointing out the subtleties (or whatever word you think is more appropriate) can feel foolish.


In other words, Tenet does a sort of "Pincer Maneuver" on itself. With the Nolan Bros acting as the ??? Step 3 before the profit. By pretending to be a smart movie, it stumbles into convincing people that it's dumber that it is because it's nowhere near as smart as...well, ALL of Nolan's other movies, none of which are spectacularly smart to begin with.


If you go back to - or just remember; I'm doing both because 2020 is a hyperspace blur in my mind - all of Nolan's gaming references at this time, it seems clear that Tenet was a series of big ideas in need of an excuse to share them with the audience, much like most games are a series of big ideas in need of a hook that ties the player to the designer. Which makes some of Tenet's most obvious flaws simultaneously its biggest strengths, which makes what's easiest to hate about the movie what makes it so lovable, which makes it a movie that's almost always something for one audience that it isn't to another, which makes it...


Which makes it a pretty girthy 8/10, with enough 5/10 moments to make the 10/10 moments grind time rap gang - bang, bang, bang.


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93. "Seeing the replies concerned about The Protagonist"
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Seeing the replies on The Protagonist and decided to do a new reply thread.

Someone said Neo without the humor? Neo is a great comparison as we get to know both through the journey they go on rather than a story arc as again, you need a blank slate to sell this high-concept world.


But to say no humor? Homie is cracking black ass jokes throughout the movie. His reactions to literally everything is 80% humor. And John David is telling those quips.


Shit even they even make you care about him as in the opening he goes back to save the audience from the bombs, as soon as they say we rebuilt your mouth he asks about his team and cries when he finds out they're dead, the look of regret when Kat says you used me and my son to get what I want want, when he tells Neil to go after Kat instead of the piece of The Algorithm, the look of excited concern when he says we're taking Kat through the turnstile to save her, shit even at the end when he kills Pryia to save Kat.

It's all there.

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