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bwood
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"The Avengers: Endgame discussion post"


  

          

Finally got confirmed for the 10am press screening Tuesday morning.

I figure I'll start this thread as spoilers are mos def gonna fly.

Someone who has seen it already has said nothing major has been spoiled yet. She told me to strap in and be ready.

So for those of who want to be spoiler free, my advice is come Monday, mute everything Endgame on Twitter and tread lightly on the interwebs.

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As of Monday, I'm going dark
Apr 18th 2019
1
Cool. Looking forward to the review and people's take on it.
Apr 19th 2019
2
I'm looking at nothing until Friday morning
Apr 22nd 2019
3
Yeah these niggas delivered.
Apr 23rd 2019
4
how many records this gonna break?
Apr 24th 2019
5
an hdcam version already hit the net.
Apr 24th 2019
6
could be foreign viewing
Apr 24th 2019
7
      ah i didnt think about the time zone difference.
Apr 24th 2019
8
           not even time zone
Apr 24th 2019
9
Can we start talking about it here yet?
Apr 25th 2019
10
Talk about it!!!!
Apr 25th 2019
11
I gasped when he gave him the Shield...
Apr 26th 2019
21
Nope
Apr 26th 2019
29
he was basically Falcon in Cap's colors
Apr 26th 2019
34
that's what I said lol...
Apr 26th 2019
35
I Just don't like a Cap without Powers
Apr 26th 2019
53
      Yeah, I'm curious how they handle that
Apr 26th 2019
64
      But Falcon is just a regular guy with mechanical wings
Apr 28th 2019
129
oh im sure
Apr 26th 2019
67
      They all make great side/support characters.
Apr 26th 2019
88
      He was a very dope Cap in the comics
Apr 27th 2019
103
           i mean in the MCU
Apr 29th 2019
143
2nd viewing
Apr 25th 2019
12
quick initial thoughts (spoilers obviously)
Apr 25th 2019
13
captain marvel's power was all over the place too
Apr 26th 2019
17
She only got punched like that with the power stone though.
Apr 26th 2019
25
RE: She only got punched like that with the power stone though.
Apr 26th 2019
69
all of this lol:
Apr 26th 2019
39
I thought Ant Man should have shrunk the gauntlet
Apr 26th 2019
54
      This is one of those Movie-Ending Solutions tho.
Apr 26th 2019
58
Hulk
Apr 26th 2019
22
RE: Hulk
Apr 26th 2019
26
right...
Apr 26th 2019
40
theyre definitely underusing him
Apr 26th 2019
70
My thought was Ruffalo’s real life spoiler powers
Apr 28th 2019
130
at that point Hulk only had 1 arm and a radiation treatment
Apr 29th 2019
148
Worst part about Hulk were those old mafia guy sweatsuits he rocked.
May 01st 2019
163
Hahaha.
May 03rd 2019
172
How was Professor Hulk in the comics?
May 01st 2019
164
      Prof. Hulk was way more hardcore in the comics.
May 01st 2019
165
           Makes sense. With Marvel/Disney not having the rights to do a
May 01st 2019
166
RE: quick initial thoughts (spoilers obviously)
Apr 26th 2019
38
beautiful.
Apr 25th 2019
14
"Beautiful" is the word I'd use too...
Apr 26th 2019
23
      i was kind of laughing inside at folks crying
Apr 26th 2019
71
           I almost lost it when his daughter was talking about burgers
Apr 26th 2019
81
                i was on the brink there man
Apr 27th 2019
97
                that didnt hit me
Apr 29th 2019
144
Loved it
Apr 25th 2019
15
after the first pass (spoilers)
Apr 26th 2019
16
About your time line comments
Apr 26th 2019
20
RE: after the first pass (spoilers)
Apr 26th 2019
30
thanos still gets them all
Apr 26th 2019
91
lol thats what im wondering
Apr 26th 2019
73
Yes he did it by himself
Apr 28th 2019
121
RE: lol thats what im wondering
Apr 29th 2019
150
How Steve returns the stones at the end (possible solution)
May 07th 2019
176
This was ALL of the movie
Apr 26th 2019
18
Good call...no clue how the ship made it through
Apr 26th 2019
92
Did anyone catch the cameo near the end by-- (spoiler alert)
Apr 26th 2019
19
That moment got me super geeked as well
Apr 26th 2019
82
Surprised by how little screen time Danvers has in the movie...
Apr 26th 2019
24
cos having her coming in at the tail-end of the Infinity Saga
Apr 26th 2019
27
There's no way this is true.
Apr 26th 2019
31
There have been a huge spike in these types of videos
Apr 26th 2019
33
I'm also talking about her general screen time in the movie...
Apr 26th 2019
36
      I imagine they might've shot one.
Apr 26th 2019
41
      right...
Apr 26th 2019
44
      The run time is already three hours
Apr 28th 2019
131
they filmed Endgame before Captain Marvel
Apr 26th 2019
45
yeah i was kind of mad at her
Apr 26th 2019
74
Aka, We Held Our Family Reunion in Retcon City
Apr 26th 2019
28
love letter to the fans (spoilers)
Apr 26th 2019
32
I felt like it really didn't have to be 3+ hours, some movies that are.....
Apr 26th 2019
37
You can no longer say there are no consequences in these movies
Apr 26th 2019
42
Dude, I'm gonna miss Thanos so much!
Apr 26th 2019
43
true, that was my gripe with Infinity War
Apr 26th 2019
57
      There were consequences for Heimdall, Gamora and Loki
Apr 28th 2019
132
           Gamora spoiler
May 10th 2019
187
                Pretty sure that sets up GOTG3
Jun 17th 2019
208
After (spoiler) took (spoiler) with him to the past at the end...
Apr 26th 2019
46
See 51. nm
Apr 26th 2019
52
It was packed. And it was grand. Not perfect, but I still loved it.
Apr 26th 2019
47
Yes, I said above Hulk was the biggest issue with me too...
Apr 26th 2019
Yes, I said above Hulk was the biggest issue with me too...
Apr 26th 2019
48
Cap takes Mjolnir back to the moment Thor took it.
Apr 26th 2019
49
RE: Cap takes Mjolnir back to the moment Thor took it.
Apr 26th 2019
65
      spoiler warning anyway even though we spoiled a lot LOL
Apr 28th 2019
135
This probably answered my question above.
Apr 26th 2019
51
Wasn't as mad at Hulk
Apr 26th 2019
56
man i hate the soul stone
Apr 26th 2019
76
      RE: man i hate the soul stone
Apr 27th 2019
100
I didn't recognize a kid standing at the funeral
Apr 26th 2019
50
thats who that was!!!
Apr 28th 2019
138
what do you think the future holds for the surviving characters?
Apr 26th 2019
55
Much of this will already know.
Apr 26th 2019
59
Disney+ is also being used as a big outlet for the surviving Avengers.
Apr 26th 2019
63
Don't forget Disney+
Apr 26th 2019
61
I'm ready for it, sure. But he ain't the one.
Apr 26th 2019
86
LOL. Someone missed the point of Captain America.
Apr 27th 2019
107
      LOL. NO. You- not "someone"- missed, well... everything.
Apr 27th 2019
109
           Brotha....there's only one Cap.
Apr 28th 2019
118
           True, and fair.
Apr 28th 2019
122
           No on Bucky
Apr 28th 2019
136
                Y'all know that Bucky donned the mantle in the comics, right?
Apr 29th 2019
147
                So did Falcon n/m
Apr 30th 2019
159
                I'm not advocating for Bucky to be Cap. I want the White Wolf.
May 05th 2019
175
                     Losing a fight means Sam can’t be Cap?
Jun 15th 2019
206
RE: what do you think the future holds for the surviving characters?
Apr 28th 2019
134
So.... When does Far From Home take place?
Apr 26th 2019
60
I thought they said a few minutes after end game
Apr 26th 2019
62
      Is Peter a 6th year High School senior?
Apr 26th 2019
72
           lol
Apr 26th 2019
75
           lol that 5 year jump really confuses everything
Apr 26th 2019
77
           He's not old. He was dusted.
Apr 26th 2019
83
                But why would his friend not age?
Apr 26th 2019
87
                     Dusted too
Apr 26th 2019
93
                          Exactly
Apr 26th 2019
94
                          And MJ got dusted too? Because she’s in the Far From Home
Apr 27th 2019
102
                          That sucks for those kids. Whole new graduating class.
Apr 27th 2019
108
                               I'm sure they just happy they're alive.
Apr 27th 2019
112
                                    You ever been held back??
Apr 27th 2019
113
                                         Has anyone who has been held back been snapped into dust by an alien?
Apr 27th 2019
117
                                              This whole exchange comedy...well done y'all
Apr 28th 2019
119
           RE: Is Peter a 6th year High School senior?
Apr 26th 2019
84
           Half his school will be
Apr 28th 2019
133
One question after my second viewing...
Apr 26th 2019
66
im wondering this too
Apr 26th 2019
78
RE: One question after my second viewing...
Apr 26th 2019
80
It was 1970. But again, that was a different reality. So in that
Apr 26th 2019
89
      he went all the way back to 1945
Apr 27th 2019
96
      I was answering his question about the ear they went to the bunker.
Apr 27th 2019
101
           I think this is just holding onto the rules a bit too tightly
Apr 27th 2019
106
           Those rules are pretty important to the plot of the movie though.
Apr 27th 2019
110
                You’re right.
Apr 27th 2019
111
           as per The Ancient One and Professor Hulk
Apr 27th 2019
114
                See my post above about the Rhodey/Banner convo though.
Apr 28th 2019
126
                     the Infinity Stones create the flow of time
Apr 29th 2019
140
                          That doesn't address my second paragraph in the above post.
Apr 29th 2019
141
                               no it doesn't create a paradox
Apr 29th 2019
145
                                    Think about what you just wrote though.
Apr 29th 2019
146
                                    it was Cap all along
Apr 29th 2019
153
                                         How did Cap first get there then?
Apr 30th 2019
155
                                              the time we saw was the first time
Apr 30th 2019
156
                                                   The Russos just confirmed that Cap started another branch of time.
Apr 30th 2019
160
                                                        they don't even know ... LOL
Apr 30th 2019
161
                                                             lol pretty much. I’m glad they brought it up though and to their
May 01st 2019
162
                                    just as a thought experiment, he took...four vials, yea?
Apr 29th 2019
151
                                         Pym was alive when it was time to return all the stones
Apr 29th 2019
154
      RE: It was 1970. But again, that was a different reality. So in that
Apr 28th 2019
120
           Yeah. And I definitely get just letting some stuff slide.
Apr 28th 2019
124
                Cap giving the shield to Sam passes the torch
Jun 17th 2019
207
maybe he remembers where he left
Apr 28th 2019
137
Also, I wanted Coulson
Apr 26th 2019
68
same
Apr 26th 2019
79
RE: Also, I wanted Coulson
Apr 26th 2019
85
well he's dead (again)
Apr 27th 2019
95
      RE: well he's dead (again)
Apr 27th 2019
99
      Fucking Agents of SHIELD
Apr 27th 2019
104
      RE: Fucking Agents of SHIELD
Apr 27th 2019
105
      RE: Fucking Agents of SHIELD
Apr 27th 2019
116
      sorry, should have said spoilers
Apr 27th 2019
115
      DYING
Apr 29th 2019
139
           AoS was/is happening concurrently
Apr 30th 2019
157
greatest movie theater experience I ever had
Apr 26th 2019
90
To cap off 21 films like that...bravo to everyone involved
Apr 27th 2019
98
looking back, it really is amazing that we got here
Apr 28th 2019
123
RE: looking back, it really is amazing that we got here
Apr 28th 2019
125
I think I'm gonna rent it from Amazon tomorrow
Apr 28th 2019
127
The guy didn’t see WS, yet expects us to read his tome
Apr 28th 2019
128
      RE: The guy didn’t see WS, yet expects us to read his tome
Apr 29th 2019
142
winter soldier and guardians started the ball rolling
Apr 29th 2019
152
$357,115,007. Goodness....
Apr 29th 2019
149
It's a Greatest Hits Album That Has Some Dope New Unreleased Tracks
Apr 30th 2019
158
People still playing Fortnite in 2023 though?
May 01st 2019
167
People are still playing Team Fortress 2 in 2019
May 01st 2019
168
      Prolly even more people playing it in 2023 than now.
May 01st 2019
169
      Counter Strike still on the charts
May 01st 2019
170
*Spoilers* although you should stay out here till you've watched it
May 02nd 2019
171
or people write clickbait articles
May 03rd 2019
173
I definitely thought of Cap (spoiler redacted)
May 04th 2019
174
lmao to all that
May 07th 2019
177
      I seriously hope not.
May 07th 2019
178
           Based on the Far From Home trailer they are at least
May 07th 2019
179
                RE: Based on the Far From Home trailer they are at least
May 07th 2019
180
                ^^^^IGNORE
May 07th 2019
181
                i'd almost bet money they wouldn't do that
May 08th 2019
182
That score (and Portals in particular) will go down as one of the greats
May 09th 2019
183
I really didn't like the portals part
May 10th 2019
184
Dang homie... it's a comic book movie
May 10th 2019
185
smh
May 10th 2019
188
point of order
May 13th 2019
192
Thanos was gathering his army too
May 17th 2019
196
      How'd they get there?
May 20th 2019
198
           they were all in his ship
May 21st 2019
199
                So nebula had the minautre ship and inside that ship
May 22nd 2019
201
Silvestri really nailed it with the theme
May 10th 2019
186
so Bucky didn't have a boo in the past?
May 13th 2019
189
RE: so Bucky didn't have a boo in the past?
May 13th 2019
190
Reflections
May 13th 2019
191
I agree, except that
May 14th 2019
193
I forgot to mention
May 14th 2019
194
RE: I agree, except that
May 14th 2019
195
i still feel like Nat ain't quite done in the MCU
May 18th 2019
197
RE: i still feel like Nat ain't quite done in the MCU
May 21st 2019
200
RE: Reflections
Jun 04th 2019
202
the part that's still in my mind weeks later
Jun 06th 2019
203
YES
Jun 07th 2019
204
Mad as fuck I didn't see this opening week. The audience was lame.
Jun 09th 2019
205
Now they gonna re-release to knock out Avatar
Jun 22nd 2019
209
RE: Now they gonna re-release to knock out Avatar
Jun 23rd 2019
210
They fucked up the buzz BADLY post-release.
Jun 26th 2019
211

BigWorm
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1. "As of Monday, I'm going dark"
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No Facebook, PTP, Twitter, nothing.

I'ma dropkick anyone who spoils this shit.

I normally look forward to your reviews or at least thumbs up about a movie before I go see it. But this? Nope nope nope. "Strap in and be ready" is about all I need to know.

  

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2. "Cool. Looking forward to the review and people's take on it."
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3. "I'm looking at nothing until Friday morning"
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I've avoided just about all of the latest round of trailers online and on TV. Any articles that get recommended are instantly skipped. The only thing I listened to today was speculation on how big this could open (I'm setting the over/under at $275 million, only because of run time)

Let's get it

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4. "Yeah these niggas delivered."
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Tue Apr-23-19 01:43 PM by bwood

  

          

Like the previous film, this is A LOT.

The character interactions are so good, that it brings up my main complaint from the last one which is a lot of these niggas should've met a lot sooner.

There's something that happens in the last five minutes that made me wanna stand up and cheer.

I'll see this again as this was shot entirely in IMAX.

But for right now I need to digest this before the review embargo breaks.

Anyone saying this is the best one is getting the side-eye.

BTW no post-credits scenes.

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5. "how many records this gonna break?"
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i'm genuinely curious how crazy this gonna be financially and if the longer run time will negatively affect it's overall haul in the long run.

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6. "an hdcam version already hit the net."
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im kinda surprised cuz studios are usually tight with the screening security. especially with marvel flicks.

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7. "could be foreign viewing"
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>im kinda surprised cuz studios are usually tight with the
>screening security. especially with marvel flicks.

here where i am in saudi arabia the movie came out yesterday the 24th.

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8. "ah i didnt think about the time zone difference."
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9. "not even time zone"
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that isn't even the reason cuz i'm actually ahead of the US, so really it released the 24th here, but it was the 23rd there. not sure why it released a couple days early here.

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10. "Can we start talking about it here yet?"
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I saw the double-header last night at our cinema - Infinity War at 9pm and Endgame at midnight.

I'm bursting to talk about it!!

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11. "Talk about it!!!!"
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Super excited about Sam Wilson's future. White people about to be mad!!!

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21. "I gasped when he gave him the Shield..."
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Does Falcon do anything in the comics to get "Super"-ed up though?

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29. "Nope"
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But he was a pretty good Cap for the time he held the shield.

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34. "he was basically Falcon in Cap's colors"
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and carrying the shield.

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35. "that's what I said lol..."
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>Super excited about Sam Wilson's future. White people about
>to be mad!!!

  

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53. "I Just don't like a Cap without Powers"
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It makes the shield...just a shield.

  

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64. "Yeah, I'm curious how they handle that"
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Mackie is great and I'd love to see him get a full superhero movie now that he's got an iconic suit to put on, but he's just a regular guy with an Air Force-issue Iron Man suit essentially, right?


Still, Chris Evans did a rad Clint Eastwood but still a good guy impression and, yeah, it's a move they made in the comics and one that puts a real exclamation point on the other stuff that'll make people mad in this movie like the seven or eight women all teaming up to save Spider-Man, which was gratuitous of course but whatever! Marvel!


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129. "But Falcon is just a regular guy with mechanical wings"
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Iron Man is just a regular (really smart) guy in a suit of armor.

I don’t think the serum makes the hero. I think Sam would do great as Cap. I’d kee the wings and a pistol just in case tho LOL

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67. "oh im sure"
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>White people about
>to be mad!!!

lol

to be honest the character doesnt really work for me, him along with black widow and hawk eye seem pretty pointless to me.

somehow antman joined them for me with this movie. like his only purpose was quantum realm. what does he really offer now??? cant anybody really be antman??

all this to say im curious on how they push sam up to take on that mantle because im not a believer yet. i wouldnt bet against marvel though.


  

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88. "They all make great side/support characters."
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Not a one is built to be a leader in dealing with the big-bads of this world.

But they are ideal for a streaming TV format. BW getting movie elicits zero excitement from me.

  

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103. "He was a very dope Cap in the comics"
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You should read Sam Wilson: Captain America. It's excellent.

In fact, they have a whole storyline about how ppl don't like him as Cap. Very well written.

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143. "i mean in the MCU"
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they havent built him up enough yet but i do trust marvel will do right.

  

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12. "2nd viewing "
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Like Infinity War I think it will be the 2nd viewing that I will really appreciate this more. Don't get me wrong, this was very entertaining, but with so much expectation I need a minute to digest and then reexamine just like with IW.

They stuck the landing though.

And the very end of the credits was a nice touch.

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13. "quick initial thoughts (spoilers obviously)"
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i assume this discussion post is only for those that have seen it, right? so this is a spoiler zone.

-first off, overall they delivered. as with when i first watched IW i can't believe they managed a 22 movie arc like this and were able to get it to screen and somehow make this shit work.

-thanos, gauntlet or not, was fucking everyone up. i actually felt like he was a bit too powerful and it didn't make sense. like are all titans that strong or was it partially cuz the armor he had on powered him up or something like that?

-why did they essentially sideline the hulk again? there he was in his green glory with banner mind, but all we saw was the banner mind. no hulk smash at all.

-its been said in reviews already, but i must say i definitely liked the way they structured this movie. IW was thanos' movie with the avengers trying to stop him, this was the Avengers' movie with thanos trying to stop them. perfect companions.

-thor!! haha, i fucking love what they've been able to do with his character the last 3 movies starting with Ragnarok.

-its really strange thinking about how this will continue with the main team in cap, tony and natasha, but it makes sense that they would end this arc essentially with how they started it by giving these 3 the focus. the foreshadowing of nat going was a bit heavy, but in the end it worked and i like how as a whole they made a great character out of her considering she was basically a "weak" human amongst these superpowered beings. tony, well i think everyone saw that coming, but for me it didn't diminish the moment in the least when stared thanos down and said you know what. cap? well, same. i think his ending with you know who was easy to see coming too.

-continuing my thoughts of the last point, i'm feeling a bit concerned about how they manage without essentially the heart of the mcu. coupled with the fact that the farther away the stories get from earth the bigger risk i feel they will lose their grounding. of course, i shouldn't really be doubting them, they've come this far already.

-some reviews said the first hour dragged just a bit, but actually it was the second hour that i felt myself getting antsy and, not bored, but at least wanting them to push along. however, i fully admit that i was, and am, exhausted from lack of sleep and work the last 48 hours, so we'll see if i feel the same after a 2nd viewing.

-I mentioned it un the above post, but the ending soundbite after the credits was perfect. Again, ending as they started.

anyway, i'm tired and those are just a couple thoughts. i have many more, but as i mentioned i will wait till after a 2nd viewing and i have some more time to think on it.





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17. "captain marvel's power was all over the place too"
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one second she is (again) taking down in-flight warships, the next she's getting punched out of the sky?

also, their fighting strategy was weird (shouldn't wanda and marvel have joined together on some infinity-stone-sorta-voltron steeze to wipe out gloveless thanos a little earlier?)

maybe it would have been a good idea for strange to just teleport the glove AND the van somewhere else instead of that whole relay race think (of course then you wouldn't have gotten your BP and Spidey parts of the big battle)

and how DID tony get the stones off the new infinity gauntlet that quickly?

matter of fact, all that (the big battle) happened in upstate NYC? i must have missed something

  

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25. "She only got punched like that with the power stone though. "
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>one second she is (again) taking down in-flight warships, the
>next she's getting punched out of the sky?

They made it clear that she wasn’t phased at ALL when Thanos hit her without using a stone, meanwhile he could wreck everyone else without needing to use the stones. Not only did he use the power stone after that to hit her, he took it off the gauntlet and hit her with it in his hand.

>and how DID tony get the stones off the new infinity gauntlet
>that quickly?

Remember that new gauntlet was Ironman technology. As was the gauntlet that Tony used himself. Could have been part of the plan and how it was designed so that Tony could easily swap the stones off of one to the other in case Thanos got a hold of it.

  

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69. "RE: She only got punched like that with the power stone though. "
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>>one second she is (again) taking down in-flight warships,
>the
>>next she's getting punched out of the sky?
>
>They made it clear that she wasn’t phased at ALL when Thanos
>hit her without using a stone, meanwhile he could wreck
>everyone else without needing to use the stones. Not only did
>he use the power stone after that to hit her, he took it off
>the gauntlet and hit her with it in his hand.

yeah, i think the purpose of this was to show how powerful the stones are. we know captain marvel is insanely strong. if it werent for the infinity stone (singular) she would have wiped thanos.

>
>>and how DID tony get the stones off the new infinity
>gauntlet
>>that quickly?
>
>Remember that new gauntlet was Ironman technology. As was the
>gauntlet that Tony used himself. Could have been part of the
>plan and how it was designed so that Tony could easily swap
>the stones off of one to the other in case Thanos got a hold
>of it.
>

i figure he actually swapped the gauntlets. the one tony was wearing went to thanos

  

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39. "all of this lol:"
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>one second she is (again) taking down in-flight warships, the
>next she's getting punched out of the sky?
>
>also, their fighting strategy was weird (shouldn't wanda and
>marvel have joined together on some
>infinity-stone-sorta-voltron steeze to wipe out gloveless
>thanos a little earlier?)
>
>maybe it would have been a good idea for strange to just
>teleport the glove AND the van somewhere else instead of that
>whole relay race think (of course then you wouldn't have
>gotten your BP and Spidey parts of the big battle)

  

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54. "I thought Ant Man should have shrunk the gauntlet"
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Much easier to hide and how does anyone other than him make it large again?

  

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58. "This is one of those Movie-Ending Solutions tho."
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Like, since we have a ton of characters, all of whom could creatively find ways of fucking up Thanos, they have to find the sequence of events that doesn't end the movie anti-climactically.

That or, y'know, they have Ant Man shrink it but then it's revealed one of Thanos's guys can change the size of matter too or something. It's like what Rob Lowe's Hollywood producer says in Thank You For Smoking, that anything in a movie can be solved with "Thank God we discovered the Whatever!"

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22. "Hulk"
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I kept waiting for Hulk to go full Hulk at the end and have another Thanos face-off and can't believe that didn't happen. I'm a real MCU stan but Hulk has been the biggest misstep for me throughout these movies. This iteration gave a lot of comedy (the photo incident with Ant Man was hilarious!) but I was disappointed that he didn't rage out by the end.

I'm curious to know what they do with him going forward, considering he doesn't even have his own franchise either. His banter with Ant Man was really good so I can see him appearing in Ant Man 3.

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26. "RE: Hulk"
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Yep. Made no sense that he didn't do shit in that battle.

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40. "right..."
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>I kept waiting for Hulk to go full Hulk at the end and have
>another Thanos face-off and can't believe that didn't happen.
>I'm a real MCU stan but Hulk has been the biggest misstep for
>me throughout these movies. This iteration gave a lot of
>comedy (the photo incident with Ant Man was hilarious!) but I
>was disappointed that he didn't rage out by the end.

  

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70. "theyre definitely underusing him"
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hulk and thor are possibly the best things from these movies.

the guardians are a step below. definitely excited to see thor in guardians.

  

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130. "My thought was Ruffalo’s real life spoiler powers"
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If they gave a sizable part to Ruffalo in any climactic battle scene, he would spoil it two days after the scene is shot LOL


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148. "at that point Hulk only had 1 arm and a radiation treatment"
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woulda been dope to see him get some getback on thanos but the way the story played out, it wasnt feasible

unless he woulda came in just for a singlehand hulk smash while scarlet witch had him(thanos) hemmed up



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163. "Worst part about Hulk were those old mafia guy sweatsuits he rocked. "
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I'm like damn, Hulk collecting this week's take or something? He got a meetup with Paulie later?
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172. "Hahaha."
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164. "How was Professor Hulk in the comics?"
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In this movie it seemed like Banner/Hulk didn't even have the will or rage needed to still go around smashing stuff. But he's gotta still have that Hulk strength or else what's the point of having the "best of both"?

The point above makes sense about him dealing with the effects of snapping. He was still in a sling later at Tony's funeral so he was definitely hurt bad.

  

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165. "Prof. Hulk was way more hardcore in the comics. "
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he had his own private army, had mad agendas, didn't take much shit.

Was still half-Banner/half-Hulk but not all hippie-ish like in the movie.
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166. "Makes sense. With Marvel/Disney not having the rights to do a "
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Hulk standalone I know they wanted to have a nice character arc for him from Ragnarok through IW and Endgame. He does have that arc, and had a hugely important role in being the one to do the snap that brought back those dusted. But it still seems like they left his story unresolved since we never really find out why he was scared to come out after getting whipped by Thanos. Yes, that beatdown was enough to have him shook - but if that was the only reason I'd want to see him resolve it by beating Thanos down himself.

  

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38. "RE: quick initial thoughts (spoilers obviously)"
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>-thanos, gauntlet or not, was fucking everyone up. i actually
>felt like he was a bit too powerful and it didn't make sense.
>like are all titans that strong or was it partially cuz the
>armor he had on powered him up or something like that?

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14. "beautiful. "
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i really loved this. they got it right.

still processing. IMAX on Saturday.

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23. ""Beautiful" is the word I'd use too..."
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That last 40-60 minutes... the battle, Cap & Mjolnir, "Assemble!", "I am Iron Man", Cap & Peggy, Falcon... just incredible!

I Nearly blubbed when Tony said "I love you 3000" at the end!

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71. "i was kind of laughing inside at folks crying"
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when tony died but then this

>I Nearly blubbed when Tony said "I love you 3000" at the end!

and i had a little sniffle. i think the thought of the little girl losing him was too much.

  

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97. "i was on the brink there man"
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144. "that didnt hit me"
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it seemed odd. i guess we all react to different things though.

  

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15. "Loved it"
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It was funny, sad, amazing, hit everything right on this one. Loved them returning to other movie scenes altho those not all up on them may get confused. I can't wait to see this again.

  

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16. "after the first pass (spoilers)"
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overall i liked it

it didn't feel long at all

the callbacks to pretty much everything were dope

a few problems though after this pass:

uhm, loki....wouldn't that mess up a whole bunch of stuff after avengers 1? (maybe this sets up his show on some: this is where he went)

the VERY ending... that messed up a whole bunch too timeline wise (what was the affect of steve and peggy being together on hydra?)

how exactly was steve, by himself, getting all the stones back at the exact moments they took them if three were on other planets (how did he get the soul stone back at all with sklly the friendly ghost as the gatekeeper, and if he *did* then how is natasha still....)

did cassie's mom and stepdad go poof too (was she in the house all by herself)?

best not to think about it all too deeply i guess

finally: i think i've decided that the hulks in raganarok and this looked too puffy (he looked better in avengers 1 to me)

2nd pass is tomorrow afternoon

  

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I think they tried to address that in the movie with the convo between banner, ant, rhodie and then again with banner and sorcerer Supreme.

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30. "RE: after the first pass (spoilers)"
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time travel is confusing but I think Cap going back is still future Cap so guessing both Caps still exist when he wakes up in 2012 or whenever older Cap and Peggy probably living together. Idk, I try not to think to hard on that cuz its very confusing. He replaced all the stones where they got them along with Thor's hammer so guessing all events will still take place except Thanos will never get them all but then how do they all return now out of nowhere. I'll let someone else explain cuz yeah, not all adding up.

  

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91. "thanos still gets them all"
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Infinity War still happens like it did and then they beat him in End Game like we saw

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73. "lol thats what im wondering"
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how did he return them all?? was he able to time jump by himself?? if so, why do they need all that equipment to send him off??


also, how did old nebula get thanos into the future??? she only had one pod right??? so she used it to get to the future then ... i didnt understand

  

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121. "Yes he did it by himself"
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>how did he return them all?? was he able to time jump by
>himself??

If you remeber when they went back to 2012 (attack on NYC) him and Tony set their hand device to 1970 and jumped there themselves.

if so, why do they need all that equipment to send
>him off??

He needs the machine to jump into the quantum realm but he can then move around as long as he's got enough Pym particles. Once they brought everyone back that included Hank Pym who could make more for them. Also if you noticed when Cap went back and saw Peggy he knew he'd come back to her and he grabbed extra.

>also, how did old nebula get thanos into the future??? she
>only had one pod right??? so she used it to get to the future
>then ... i didnt understand

She gave the Pym particles to Thanos who reverse engineered it. Thanos is not just super strong he's also a genius. "You're not the only one cursed with knowledge".

  

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150. "RE: lol thats what im wondering"
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>
>also, how did old nebula get thanos into the future??? she
>only had one pod right??? so she used it to get to the future
>then ... i didnt understand

when she figured out(??) the time machine panel, it said "gateway opened", and thanos' ship came thru...midsize, and shot up thru the roof (even tho tony had just locked the building down, but thats beside the point)

so either 2014 thanos and his children reverse-engineered and then mass-produced the shrinking, the pym particles, & the starks spacetime apple watch from 2024 nebula, then miniaturized his hordes onto that ship waiting for nebula to call him up

...or 2014 nebula just set the time machine pod to run "portal from avengers 1" protocol but with time-dimension add-on, and when the gateway opened everyone came thru.


overall problem is, as always the case, once u introduce time travel in a story u pretty much guaranteed to have plot holes, logic/timeline contradictions, and some degree of "just dont think abt it too hard". Cap going to live in the past alongside frozen Cap, the logistics of returning all the stones (one is fluid/ether that has to be injected back into jane on asgard??), and even spidey meeting his classmates all back at the same age and not 5 years older, is a lot to swallow.



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176. "How Steve returns the stones at the end (possible solution)"
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>how exactly was steve, by himself, getting all the stones back
>at the exact moments they took them if three were on other
>planets (how did he get the soul stone back at all with sklly
>the friendly ghost as the gatekeeper, and if he *did* then how
>is natasha still....)


I'd like to think that Steve went to see the Ancient One first, returned the Time Stone and then she helped him solve the issues of getting all of the other stones back to their original form(s) and positions in time.

  

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18. "This was ALL of the movie"
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If you sat through all 20+ movies (and you almost had to for a lot of things in the movie to make sense) this was a huge THANK YOU from everyone at Marvel. I need to see it again Saturday before I really get into comments and spoilers, but man... A few small pacing issues and a quibble or two mean nothing in the face of how they stuck the landing on this 10 year arc. Bra-f*cking-vo

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19. "Did anyone catch the cameo near the end by-- (spoiler alert)"
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lol, kidding aside, great sequel. The Hammer Moment made me squeal.

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82. "That moment got me super geeked as well"
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assuming we're thinking of the same moment.


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24. "Surprised by how little screen time Danvers has in the movie..."
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A scene with her and Fury at the end would have been a nice touch too so not quite sure why that didn't happen.

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27. "cos having her coming in at the tail-end of the Infinity Saga"
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and cleaning up shop all by herself (which she should be able to do cos she's sposed to be one of the strongest in the MCU) is cheap and insulting to all the actors who have been on this ride since jump. it was smart to dial Danvers' involvement back and let the OG six have their moment, plus all the other pre-established characters over the last 11yrs.

could be that and maybe Marvel responding to plenty of fan backlash for Brie's generally weird shitty attitude toward some of the cast (and the awkward interviews she's involved with featuring other cast members, the Hemsworth and Cheadle one and the one with her and Renner are the ones making the rounds the last couple wks, also the insulting comments she made on Kimmel about hating some of the cast). could've been some damage control on their part, limiting her role in the film to just guest star status? maybe.

otherwise i think it just made narrative sense to scale her back.

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31. "There's no way this is true."
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>could be that and maybe Marvel responding to plenty of fan
>backlash for Brie's generally weird shitty attitude toward
>some of the cast (and the awkward interviews she's involved
>with featuring other cast members, the Hemsworth and Cheadle
>one and the one with her and Renner are the ones making the
>rounds the last couple wks, also the insulting comments she
>made on Kimmel about hating some of the cast). could've been
>some damage control on their part, limiting her role in the
>film to just guest star status? maybe.

First of all, because the picture has absolutely been locked since those interviews came out. Second, both the Hemsworth and the Renner interview "shitty attitude" things have been waaaaaay overblown, largely by those upset by Larson's commitment to vocalizing about social issues. These white guy basement dwellers have been shitting on Larson since before Captain Marvel came out, looking for ways to try to shoot her down-- that's why there are a billion YouTube videos microanalyzing body language during a lengthy press junket tour aimed at proving something about how Larson sucks. Cheadle's already laughed off the work of these "Internet detectives."

She's not in it as much because, narratively, it makes way more sense to keep her on the sidelines in the final fight until she can get the applause-inducing grand entrance. These movies have often resorted to either sidelining the most powerful characters or finding inconsistent ways of knocking them down for lengths of time-- see also past treatments of Thor, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Hulk. Because if Captain Marvel, Thor, Hulk, and Scarlet Witch are all together at the start of the fight and make a cohesive plan to smash a gauntlet-less Thanos, and it succeeds as quickly as it probably should, then we don't get a big grand finale.

And, as you said, it's Iron Man and Captain America's movie, first and foremost. So they need to have the biggest moments earned.

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33. "There have been a huge spike in these types of videos"
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First they were praying Captain Marvel would flop now this

>These white guy basement dwellers have been shitting on Larson since before Captain Marvel came out, looking for ways to try to shoot her down-- that's why there are a billion YouTube videos microanalyzing body language during a lengthy press junket tour aimed at proving something about how Larson sucks. Cheadle's already laughed off the work of these "Internet detectives."

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36. "I'm also talking about her general screen time in the movie..."
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as opposed to just the final battle. I thought she'd spend more time with the team early on in the film and, as I said earlier, a scene with her and Fury at the end would have been nice.

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41. "I imagine they might've shot one."
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>a scene with her and Fury at the end would have been
>nice.

The movie's just so damn long, and as mentioned above, they really wanted to focus on Iron Man and Cap post-finale. Probably a lot of scenes between characters we'd have liked to have seen hit the cutting room floor-- for instance, I have no doubt we missed a Bruce/Nat scene before they went after the Soul Stone.

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44. "right..."
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>>a scene with her and Fury at the end would have been
>>nice.
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>The movie's just so damn long, and as mentioned above, they
>really wanted to focus on Iron Man and Cap post-finale.
>Probably a lot of scenes between characters we'd have liked to
>have seen hit the cutting room floor-- for instance, I have no
>doubt we missed a Bruce/Nat scene before they went after the
>Soul Stone.

Yeah the Bruce/Hulk-Nat romance angle was hardly touched on

  

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131. "The run time is already three hours"
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They did a good job of explaining her General absence since the 90s and in IW by emphasizing her galactic responsibilities. The after credits CM scene established that she came by for Fury. We are assuming perhaps that Tony has been transmitting his “captains log” recordings to Pepper somehow and that CM picks up the signal to track him down after she arrives looking for Fury (Cap: Glad you’re here. Say, our homie is lost is in space. Can you track this signal. We think we have it pinpointed right about here). CM saving Tony and providing key air support (and Thanos ass kicking to delay a second snap) is a big role to play when you consider that BP (a higher grossing solo film character) basically just gets to play keep away with the gauntlet and provide a bit of rescue assistance to Hawkeye (which is also clutch). There is only so much running time and so many characters. I think the Russos covered a lot of ground and I salute them.

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45. "they filmed Endgame before Captain Marvel"
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so what we saw was the plan all along. I have no issue with Carol's explanation that she's got other responsibilities off Earth. she came back when she was needed and put in work proper. i'm satisfied with that since this was more about the original six than the rest.

  

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74. "yeah i was kind of mad at her"
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how is she going to sit this out until it gets so bad??? they knew they were going to get the stones and things could go awry. why not have her there for insurance???

i really liked captain marvel after her movie, after this one *shrug* i think they need more of her personality to show. i guess there were too many characters to give her more time though.

  

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28. "Aka, We Held Our Family Reunion in Retcon City"
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32. "love letter to the fans (spoilers)"
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the more invested you are in the MCU the more you will get out of this film. some things I thought would happen did happen like Tony sacrificing himself. some things I thought could happen but never thought they'd actually go for it like old man Cap giving the shield to Falcon. then there was Captain America not only picking up Mjolnir but using it and keeping it .... I don't know if I have the words to express how that felt to see on screen. I loved the time heist and getting what was basically a behind-the-scenes of what was going on at different points in the history of the MCU. and of course the feels. OH THE FEELS! Hawkeyes family (even though totally expected), Tony being angry with Cap, Widow and Hawkeye arguing/fighting to sacrifice themselves, Thor and his mom, the dead Avengers coming back, Tony sacrificing himself, Cap getting to spend his life with Peggy (even with all the holes that creates). JUST AMAZING!!!

I didn't even mention the A-Force scene, all the comedy, all the cameos. just a great ride all around.

  

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37. "I felt like it really didn't have to be 3+ hours, some movies that are....."
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that long when you see it you understand how they had to include everything.

I feel like this movie dragged in the first 2 hours then things seemed rushed in the 3rd hour.

  

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42. "You can no longer say there are no consequences in these movies"
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Every one of the original Avengers have changed and there's no going back or resetting things.

And damn, Thanos is SAVAGE

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43. "Dude, I'm gonna miss Thanos so much!"
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Such a great villain and a great character!

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57. "true, that was my gripe with Infinity War"
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No consequences, we knew they were all coming back.

I should have looked at the long run, and knew consequences would be felt in endgame though.

  

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132. "There were consequences for Heimdall, Gamora and Loki"
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Spoilers ahead




Gamora is sort of back but without years of character development

Heimdall is still gone

Loki also is “back” sans years of character development.




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187. "Gamora spoiler"
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I thought since StarLord was 'searching' for Gamora before Thor walked up to his screen in his last scene that Gamora got lost again in the battle.

Maybe she died. Although I hope she comes back.

  

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208. "Pretty sure that sets up GOTG3"
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The search for Gamora

Meanwhile Adam Warlock will be hunting for them.

Probably a bit of intergalactic turmoil resulted from half the universe being gone for five years. Perhaps a Kree civil war ensued in a post snap power struggle? That might play a role in Part 3 too.

And a lot of people might want to kill Gamora and Nebula as the only surviving children of Thanos they can put their hands on?

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46. "After (spoiler) took (spoiler) with him to the past at the end..."
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...did he have it with him as an old man? I don't know if Hemsworth is done or not but that would set up some interesting stories on the Adgardian side of things if Mjolnir has gone back to being lost again.

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47. "It was packed. And it was grand. Not perfect, but I still loved it."
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They had never experienced such an epic and colossal failure before, they were used to saving the world and ended up losing half of it. That couldn't be shaken off by a single bad act/catastrophe.

I loved the post Battle of New York scenes, where it showed how Loki and the stones were disposed of. And the final battle was on a scale that we've never seen before and may never see for awhile. Cap and Hammer, eryone coming back? The all woman squadron? EPIC EPIC EPIC.

Natasha's death hurt me. I have really come to admire her in the MCU. Her lines in Civil War about "what's most important is not how we stay together but that we stay together."

Tony's death hurt too, and while somewhat foreshadowed, was still a bit of a swerve. I thought the closest he'd get was when Thanos stabbed him in IW. In fairness, Thanos did NOT kill him, the power of the gauntlet did. I can buy that he was never going to be totally at ease once he went through the wormhole. Would have loved a flashback to Yinsin in the cave telling him "don't waste it."


However, while I will rewatch several times, I can't imagine some of these plot holes were just incidental:

- The entire storyline of Thor Dark World. Loki escaped with the tesseract when he was supposed to have been imprisoned on Asgard. Tony and Steve getting it in 1970 doesn't neutralize that fact. Also, Thor snatches Moljnir and dips while present him is somewhere in Asgard. How is THAT going to fly (so to speak)?

- Steve Rogers and Peggy Carter. We know from TWS that Peggy marries a soldier that Steve saved in Germany. Not quite sure where he ends up in the past, but it can't be any earlier than when they met, by which time she is part of the SSR. So did he show up right after burying the tesseract into the arctic? (BTW how did he get the soul stone to skull? THAT would be a great scene to watch). So he marries the Director of SHIELD, being who he is and knowing Hydra has infiltrated. Are we supposed to believe he's gonna play the sidelines on this? Knowing Bucky is out there doing Hydra's bidding and that he kills the Starks? I have to imagine that some of this will be answered/addressed in future movies.

- Hulk. Despite all I wrote above, this is my biggest issue. Ever since he got sonned by Thanos, Big Green has been more Beast than Hulk. I was ok with him not coming back out in IW, but in terms of working things out, the stakes were raised high enough with half being taken out AND Natasha sacrificing herself that he should have been out of control. I UNDERSTAND that wielding the gauntlet and surviving is a rare feat (one that made Thanos vulnerable), but he did catch a chunk of the damn compound after and held it up for a MINUTE. How great would it have been if he turned back to Banner after learning Natasha died, then during the battle Thanos starts pummeling him in Hulk buster armor, and breaking it apart, only to have him catch one of those fists before unleashing Mean Green? THAT would have satisfied me on all fronts, Hulk was owed his and he didn't get it.

  

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They seem to have changed direction with Hulk several times over the course of these movies and I was almost expecting him to bite the bullet here (no pun intended) due to the complete lack of focus and direction he's been given.

If Hulk couldn't step up in this battle of all battles then I don't really know who he's supposed to be anymore.

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48. "Yes, I said above Hulk was the biggest issue with me too..."
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They seem to have changed direction with Hulk several times over the course of these movies and I was almost expecting him to bite the bullet here (no pun intended) due to the complete lack of focus and direction he's been given.

If Hulk couldn't step up in this battle of all battles then I don't really know who he's supposed to be anymore.

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49. "Cap takes Mjolnir back to the moment Thor took it."
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>- The entire storyline of Thor Dark World. Loki escaped with
>the tesseract when he was supposed to have been imprisoned on
>Asgard. Tony and Steve getting it in 1970 doesn't neutralize
>that fact. Also, Thor snatches Moljnir and dips while present
>him is somewhere in Asgard. How is THAT going to fly (so to
>speak)?

He goes back in time to make sure everything they took was put back right after they took them, so I imagine that (a) this applies to Mjolnir (presumably why he took it, though they don't make that explicit in the movie admittely), and (b) this applies to him undoing whatever damage they may have done with Tony's Tesseract fuck up (though again, not explicitly stated).

But since Cap comes back and everything is cool, it leads the audience to assume his mission of putting everything back was successful.

>- Steve Rogers and Peggy Carter. We know from TWS that Peggy
>marries a soldier that Steve saved in Germany. Not quite sure
>where he ends up in the past, but it can't be any earlier than
>when they met, by which time she is part of the SSR. So did he
>show up right after burying the tesseract into the arctic?
>(BTW how did he get the soul stone to skull? THAT would be a
>great scene to watch). So he marries the Director of SHIELD,
>being who he is and knowing Hydra has infiltrated. Are we
>supposed to believe he's gonna play the sidelines on this?
>Knowing Bucky is out there doing Hydra's bidding and that he
>kills the Starks? I have to imagine that some of this will be
>answered/addressed in future movies.

I kind of assumed that, since Cap's whole mission is to make sure the past wasn't changed by their meddling, that Cap found the most minimally intrusive way to work that out, both timeline-wise and life-wise? Though I agree that this one is a stretch knowing what we know about Cap.

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65. "RE: Cap takes Mjolnir back to the moment Thor took it."
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>
>>- The entire storyline of Thor Dark World. Loki escaped with
>>the tesseract when he was supposed to have been imprisoned
>on
>>Asgard. Tony and Steve getting it in 1970 doesn't
>neutralize
>>that fact. Also, Thor snatches Moljnir and dips while
>present
>>him is somewhere in Asgard. How is THAT going to fly (so to
>>speak)?
>
>He goes back in time to make sure everything they took was put
>back right after they took them, so I imagine that (a) this
>applies to Mjolnir (presumably why he took it, though they
>don't make that explicit in the movie admittely)
that makes pretty good sense though and plausible

, and (b) this
>applies to him undoing whatever damage they may have done with
>Tony's Tesseract fuck up (though again, not explicitly
>stated).
this to me is a bit harder, since no one actually knows what happened to the tesseract or where Loki went, right? Unless he went back to before it even got loose. Originally, it was supposed to go back with Thor and Loki

>
>But since Cap comes back and everything is cool, it leads the
>audience to assume his mission of putting everything back was
>successful.
>
>>- Steve Rogers and Peggy Carter. We know from TWS that
>Peggy
>>marries a soldier that Steve saved in Germany. Not quite
>sure
>>where he ends up in the past, but it can't be any earlier
>than
>>when they met, by which time she is part of the SSR. So did
>he
>>show up right after burying the tesseract into the arctic?
>>(BTW how did he get the soul stone to skull? THAT would be
>a
>>great scene to watch). So he marries the Director of
>SHIELD,
>>being who he is and knowing Hydra has infiltrated. Are we
>>supposed to believe he's gonna play the sidelines on this?
>>Knowing Bucky is out there doing Hydra's bidding and that he
>>kills the Starks? I have to imagine that some of this will
>be
>>answered/addressed in future movies.
>
>I kind of assumed that, since Cap's whole mission is to make
>sure the past wasn't changed by their meddling, that Cap found
>the most minimally intrusive way to work that out, both
>timeline-wise and life-wise? Though I agree that this one is a
>stretch knowing what we know about Cap.

  

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135. "spoiler warning anyway even though we spoiled a lot LOL"
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the Loki part is where everything breaks down. Maybe we assume that Cap and Tony go back to Shield in the 70s they get the space stone and then Cap returns it to that time. That leaves us with a rogue 2012 Loki to wreak havoc until he reaches the point in the timeline when he gets killed again. Maybe he goes back to Asgard right before the events in Dark World started and everything falls back in line again. I admit that I barely remember Dark World. Alternatively maybe Loki really “dies” at the end of Dark World and 2012 Loki “takes his place” and then takes the place of Odin. This solves the timeline issue neatly.

Also what if Peggy divorced her husband by the time Cap saw Peggy in the 70s and he went back to her there? That would make Cap around sixty or so when we see him back at the end of Endgame assuming the Big Freeze stopped his biological clock at what, 21? Then he’d be, what, 28 by Endgame?


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51. "This probably answered my question above."
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>- The entire storyline of Thor Dark World. Loki escaped with
>the tesseract when he was supposed to have been imprisoned on
>Asgard. Tony and Steve getting it in 1970 doesn't neutralize
>that fact. Also, Thor snatches Moljnir and dips while present
>him is somewhere in Asgard. How is THAT going to fly (so to
>speak)?
>

When Steve left on the last time travel mission he probably returned both Mjolnir and the Aether.

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56. "Wasn't as mad at Hulk"
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When they went back to the NY battle, he even said 'this seems kind of gratuitous'. He's more Banner than Hulk at this point, so his attitude and actions changed. Besides, he knows he's gonna get bodied by Thanos again.

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76. "man i hate the soul stone"
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>Natasha's death hurt me. I have really come to admire her in
>the MCU. Her lines in Civil War about "what's most important
>is not how we stay together but that we stay together."
>

the whole time they were headed to get it i was tortured. why didnt nebula tell them?? but then how could they get the soul stone if they didnt sacrifice someone they love. could it be someTHING? when red skull said eternal exchange i lost hope for natasha (maybe hawkeye) and gamora. thankfully old gamora was there. it seems she is gone now too though right?? quail (lol) was searching for her. i dont know if she just went her own way or if captain america putting everything in its place undid her in the future. if so i might be getting madder lol im definitely hoping shes going to be in future movies.

  

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100. "RE: man i hate the soul stone"
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>>Natasha's death hurt me. I have really come to admire her
>in
>>the MCU. Her lines in Civil War about "what's most important
>>is not how we stay together but that we stay together."
>>
>
>the whole time they were headed to get it i was tortured. why
>didnt nebula tell them?? but then how could they get the soul
>stone if they didnt sacrifice someone they love. could it be
>someTHING? when red skull said eternal exchange i lost hope
>for natasha (maybe hawkeye) and gamora. thankfully old gamora
>was there. it seems she is gone now too though right?? quail
>(lol) was searching for her. i dont know if she just went her
>own way or if captain america putting everything in its place
>undid her in the future. if so i might be getting madder lol
>im definitely hoping shes going to be in future movies.
>
>

Cap putting things back doesn't undo Gamora.

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50. "I didn't recognize a kid standing at the funeral"
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Just read its same kid from Iron Man 3. Man, they really brought back nearly everyone for this.

  

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138. "thats who that was!!!"
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my son asked me and i was like no fucking clue man

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55. "what do you think the future holds for the surviving characters?"
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- there almost definitely will be a BP2

- looks like the possibility of a Guardians 3 featuring Thor?

- are people really ready for a black Captain America? or even double-down and team him up with Rhodes/War Machine/"black Ironman"?

- they'll probably do another Spiderman movie

- Captain Marvel?

- Valkerie?

- Dr. Strange?

- there's supposedly a Black Widow film in the works I'm assuming it will be a prequel?

  

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59. "Much of this will already know. "
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Black Panther 2, Guardians 3, Dr. Strange 2, and the Black Widow prequel are all part of Phase 4. No word on whether Thor will be part of Guardians. Since Hemsworth's contract is up IIRC, I imagine he either won't or he would be in limited capacity at the beginning, maybe.

Captain Marvel 2 will definitely happen, tho maybe not til Phase 5. But the first one was a huge hit, so yeah, it's going down.

The new Spider-Man comes out in July.

There won't be more Cap/Iron Man movies in the near future, probably next decade-- I imagine they'll bust out Sam/Rhodey as side characters in other flicks. Same for Bucky, same maybe for Valkyrie (though I imagine she's mostly through).

However, if they did what some people had theorized could happen and make Shuri the new Iron Man, they'd make a movie starring her, I'd wager. But since they didn't do any leg work toward any new Iron Man movies in this flick, I imagine that franchise is done.

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63. "Disney+ is also being used as a big outlet for the surviving Avengers."
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They've already announced a Falcon and Winter Solider show as well as Scarlet Witch and Vision. There may be some others as well. Both of those are interesting considering that Vision is still "dead" (although that seems very fixable) and Falcon is going to become Captain America.

I'm guessing the future movies are going to focus more on sequels for the non-original Avengers that have already had movies as well as new characters (Eternals and eventually some version of the Young Avengers i.e. Cassie Lang, Kate Bishop, Kamalah Khan, etc.).

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61. "Don't forget Disney+"
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>are people really ready for a black Captain America?


There's a Sam & Bucky show which hopefully carry this story out more.

Plus the Scarlet Witch & Vision one

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86. "I'm ready for it, sure. But he ain't the one."
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Sure, Cap has certain characteristics that makes him Cap. Leadership, all that.

But he's also an absolute badass who can kick the shit out of an elevator full of highly trained special ops types, all by himself.

Bucky can do that.

Sam can't.

Cap is the peak of what a man can be. He's fully realized, unlocked human potential.

Sam?

His wings are cool. He can do cool shit.
But his skillset is still a sidekick skill set.

  

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107. "LOL. Someone missed the point of Captain America. "
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>Cap is the peak of what a man can be. He's fully realized,
>unlocked human potential.

No, he's the best of our *morals*

That's the entire point of the character

Him passing it on was a lifelong thank you to
Sam's decency, dependability, and upholding the
truest essence of Cap


>Sam?
>
>His wings are cool. He can do cool shit.
>But his skillset is still a sidekick skill set.

It'll obviously not be that simple. But him giving
Sam the shield was a quiet shout out that Sam has low
been the most ride or die dude of all them

LOL @ Bucky, dude has been a terrorist for most of his
life

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109. "LOL. NO. You- not "someone"- missed, well... everything. "
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>>Cap is the peak of what a man can be. He's fully realized,
>>unlocked human potential.
>
>No, he's the best of our *morals*
>
>That's the entire point of the character

No, the "entire point" of the character is... the entirety of the character. You don't get to dismiss other, equally critical elements of the character that don't fit the narrow view needed to make your point. to What's funny about this, and your usually pompous demeanor in particular, is the fact that this in no way conflicts with what I said.

Because the "best of our *morals*" sits under the umbrella of "The peak of what a man can be. He's fully realized, unlocked human potential."

Further, note that no aspect of my critique takes issue with Sam's ability to carry the symbolic character mantle, from a moral standpoint, of Captain America.

You're arguing against a statement that literally encompasses the point you tried to make, and made no argument against it. Which begs the question: What's the issue here?

>Him passing it on was a lifelong thank you to
>Sam's decency, dependability, and upholding the
>truest essence of Cap

Cool story. I mean that; it's a cool story. A great one, even. I like that as a story. This is the second point that you made that doesn't make so much as a dent in anything you're attempting (poorly) to rebut.

Given that your header was that I "missed the point of Captain America", you have in no way made the case that I somehow missed the point of this character. I could see if you addressed my actual criticism, but all you did was argue against a point that I never made.

>It'll obviously not be that simple.

I hope not. That doesn't change my trepidation before the fact.

To be clear, that trepidation would dissolve in an instant if this issue is addressed, because I do agree that there is a compelling story to be told. I do have faith in them to handle this well, but I have reservations.

>But him giving
>Sam the shield was a quiet shout out that Sam has low
>been the most ride or die dude of all them

Agreed, and I like that aspect of the passing of the torch. But that's not my critique.

>LOL @ Bucky, dude has been a terrorist for most of his
>life

Either is equally suited as a successor, and either is problematic, for different reasons. I in no way argue that Bucky is better to carry that banner. Give Sam Bucky's abilities and skillset and there is no discussion to be had here. I'd have have no reservations.

Personally I'd prefer Bucky to flesh out that White Wolf mantle as an adopted brother of T'Challa/son of Wakanda.

  

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118. "Brotha....there's only one Cap. "
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There's only one Cap. So the passing of the shield
ain't about passing it to someone who can fight as
well, etc

So if he's passing the shield on to SOMEONE it is
very obviously and clearly Falcon. This is a guy
who has openly saved his life, several times, is
a bad ass soldier and reps the ideals

Plus, as someone said above: Falcon was a damn good
Cap in the comics, so it works out


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122. "True, and fair."
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136. "No on Bucky"
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Even outside of being a Hydra dupe for most of his life, Buck barely knows who he is. Dude will need years of therapy. And near as I can tell, Buck is still a fugitive. Handing the mantle to Bucky is hugely complicated. Meanwhile Falcon has been holding Cap down for years and never folded. He’s shown himself to be a capable fighter even without his wings (putting up a good fight against pre-scarring Crossbones) and he’s trusted by the whole Avengers squad (we are assuming post Infinity War that Sam and the crew will get pardons for the Sokovia Accords violations, but Bucky’s crimes are way more complicated).

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147. "Y'all know that Bucky donned the mantle in the comics, right?"
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>Even outside of being a Hydra dupe for most of his life, Buck
>barely knows who he is. Dude will need years of therapy. And
>near as I can tell, Buck is still a fugitive. Handing the
>mantle to Bucky is hugely complicated. Meanwhile Falcon has
>been holding Cap down for years and never folded. He’s shown
>himself to be a capable fighter even without his wings
>(putting up a good fight against pre-scarring Crossbones) and
>he’s trusted by the whole Avengers squad (we are assuming
>post Infinity War that Sam and the crew will get pardons for
>the Sokovia Accords violations, but Bucky’s crimes are way
>more complicated).
>
>Peace,
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159. "So did Falcon n/m"
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175. "I'm not advocating for Bucky to be Cap. I want the White Wolf."
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I'm just pointing out that Bucky can handle the physical elements in ways that Sam can't.

And no, he didn't put up a good fight against Crossbones. He got his ass whooped. He did a great job taking an ass whoopin.

Anyhow, I'm good with Sam from a "spiritual" successor standpoint. I have no qualms with him upholding the integrity of that shield, and he's the right "person" to take the mantle.

But he's missing a very critical element of what made Cap special. Let's not act like Steve's willingness to throw himself on a grenade was enough. It was enough to make him the right guy to give the serum to, but without that serum, he's a dead man.

The physical difference is where I have an issue with Sam, and I was simply pointing out that Bucky has the physical prowess. As in my convo with OE, I've got no beef with Sam the man taking that mantle.

Further thought leaves me intrigued by that physical difference, however. Because there's a quality story to tell, with him trying to fill Cap's shoes while missing that physical aspect.

I'm hoping Bucky proves a good sidekick though, because he can carry some of that weight by giving Sam the same loyalty Sam gave Cap. I still want to see the White Wolf explored, with Bucky acting both as a sidekick to Sam (Cap), but also as T'Challa's adopted "brother". I'd also like to see his relationship with Shuri develop (not romantically, at least not necessarily).

All in all I like Sam, but I need to see him beefed up a bit from a power standpoint. Give him some higher-end Wakandan or Stark tech for his Cap suit and I'm good.

  

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206. "Losing a fight means Sam can’t be Cap?"
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I don’t get that logic. Everybody lost to Thanos. Cap lost to Ultron. Hawkeye lost to Loki. Et cetera. The bravery is taking on the fight at all. Crossbones was clearly better trained at hand to hand than Sam. He still took him on.

Sam showed he has the heart to pick up the shield by constantly putting himself in harm’s way to fight with Cap. He was a fugitive for years just to stay loyal to Cap. What’s a guy got to do to deserve a promotion? SMH

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134. "RE: what do you think the future holds for the surviving characters?"
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>- there almost definitely will be a BP2

For sure. MBaku wasn’t snapped, hard to believe he wouldn’t have grabbed the throne during those five years. Wonder what he would have changed?

>
>- looks like the possibility of a Guardians 3 featuring Thor?

For sure. Adam Warlock’s people need power without their batteries that Rocket stole. Maybe they will go for an infinity stone? Adam rocked the soul stone in the comics. I’d like to think Gamora proper (spoilers spoilers spoilers) is still in the stone somewhere.

>
>- are people really ready for a black Captain America? or even
>double-down and team him up with Rhodes/War Machine/"black
>Ironman"?

Falcon will be on Disney+ with Bucky


>- they'll probably do another Spiderman movie

For sure

>- Captain Marvel?

I say she meets Mónica, who is now all grown up. Kree Empire was probably destabilized by the population loss post-snap. Might be a civil war angle there.

>
>- Valkerie?


Might figure into GOTG 3 somehow.

>- Dr. Strange?

Sequel coming. Chiwotel character hated messing with time, so now he will be really pissed at Strange



>- there's supposedly a Black Widow film in the works I'm
>assuming it will be a prequel?

Probably. Hopefully we finally see Budapest

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60. "So.... When does Far From Home take place?"
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If everybody comes back in 2023, does this set Spidey in that time, or does the movie occur before Infinity War?

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62. "I thought they said a few minutes after end game"
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could be wrong though

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72. "Is Peter a 6th year High School senior?"
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Or did he have a locker in college?

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75. "lol"
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77. "lol that 5 year jump really confuses everything"
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all MCU films will be in the future for a few years now??

i had not thought of what it meant for spiderman being so old in hs lol i need an explanation on that.

  

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83. "He's not old. He was dusted. "
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So when he came back he was same age as when he left.

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87. "But why would his friend not age?"
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93. "Dusted too"
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94. "Exactly"
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102. "And MJ got dusted too? Because she’s in the Far From Home"
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trailer and is going with them on the class field trip too.

I don’t know - I think Far From Home must be set before the events of Infinity War and Endgame. I just watched the trailer again and Nick Fury specifically says in it “So nice to finally meet you, Spiderman.” If this was after Endgame they would have met at Tony’s funeral. Also in the trailer he has the old version of Spidey’s suit, not the new one he got in IW and used in Endgame.

The entire look of the world in that trailer doesn’t seem like it’s post snap. I think the earth/galaxy post Endgame is going to be very different, dealing with the ramifications of half of the beings in the universe being gone for 5 years and then returning is going to have long lasting effects. Think about Wakanda - T’Challa has been gone for 5 years and now he’s back - they would have had a new king who took over during that time. Much of society seemed to basically stop during that time too - you could see that by the look of New York after the 5 year time jump. On a smaller, individual family level, You’ll have situations where people lost spouses that were dusted and remarried, but now the old spouse is back.

The entire Phase 4 will need to be about the ramifications of what happened in this arc.

  

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108. "That sucks for those kids. Whole new graduating class. "
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112. "I'm sure they just happy they're alive. "
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113. "You ever been held back??"
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117. "Has anyone who has been held back been snapped into dust by an alien? "
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119. "This whole exchange comedy...well done y'all"
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84. "RE: Is Peter a 6th year High School senior?"
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See response just below.

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133. "Half his school will be"
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Apparently Ned is half of those who were snapped. And Flash and MJ, judging by the FFH trailer.

They would not have aged a day from the snap.

Random question: I guess this saves the MCU from climate change a bit? Five years with half the carbon emissions? And will prisoners get five years time served on their sentences or nah? Maybe Vulture could get home in time for Part 3

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66. "One question after my second viewing..."
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How did old man Cap end up in the current timeline? They clearly established in the film that the way time travel works is that going back to the past doesn’t affect your own future, but another timeline/reality. So when he went into the past and decided to stay with Peggy, he should have gotten old in THAT timeline and not the current one ending back with the rest of the crew...

  

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78. "im wondering this too"
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80. "RE: One question after my second viewing..."
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what year was it he and Tony went back to with the Bunker? Can't remember if it said but figure sometime in the 1960s. He stayed there after putting the tesseract back and dated Peggy and now is old in 2024 or whereever they are now. Kinda makes sense to me.

Also his other self wakes up in 2012 and does everythinng and then goes back in time at that moment so he just stayed away and watched from the sideline until then waiting I guess.

  

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89. "It was 1970. But again, that was a different reality. So in that "
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timeline that he could have dated and married her, growing old, but that was a different timeline/reality than the one he left. Again, per the time travel rules established in the conversation with the Ancient One, when you go back in time and make a change, you start a completely new timeline. The timeline you left is still there - changing the past doesn’t affect the present/future that you left. If he time traveled back into the past from the current MCU timeline, there should be NO Captain America in that current timeline - young or old.

  

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96. "he went all the way back to 1945"
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because the scene of him and Peggy dancing together was the young Peggy, not the slightly older Peggy from 1970. for all we know he assumed another identity and kept a low profile. we know Peggy got married but they never said what his name was or showed a picture of him. could have been Cap the whole time.

  

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101. "I was answering his question about the ear they went to the bunker. "
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Yes it makes sense that he’d go back to the 40’s for Peggy. But still, he shouldn’t have grow. Old and ended up in the current day timeline - he should be in a completely separate timeline/reality from the MCU current timeline.

  

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106. "I think this is just holding onto the rules a bit too tightly"
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I had a similar thought while watching the movie, but looking back on it I'd rather just go with the idea that he met up with Peggy, explained what was going on, took on a new identity and just lived a regular life. From what I remember the timeline splitting referred specifically to the stones, and he could do what he did while his Captain America persona would still thaw out and do his stuff eventually. Then Steve can show up at the funeral right after the Cap persona goes back in time and avoid all the Back to the Future stuff as well.


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110. "Those rules are pretty important to the plot of the movie though. "
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I’m not picky when it comes to inconsistencies that don’t have impact but I think this definitely does matter. I could also be just missing something - they’ve been very good in the MCU with being sure that stuff like this all fits, even when they don’t specifically call it out.

I think it’s important because they went through the trouble of establishing those time travel rules in multiple conversations - Banner with the Ancient One, Rhodey with AntMan and Banner, and Iron Man throughout when he rationalized helping with this mission. Going back in time and making changes doesn’t affect your own timeline, but creates a new timeline/reality. This wasn’t just about making changes with the stones (the Ancient One convo focused on stones because that’s what Banner was trying to get.) Remember Rhodey’s suggestion of finding baby Thanos and just killing him? Banner let him know that time travel doesn’t work like that - killing Thanos in the past wouldn’t change their current reality once they come back to it.

So as soon as Steve went back to stay with Peggy, he created a new reality. It doesn’t matter if he stayed hidden for the rest of his life. The slightest change would cause a butterfly effect in a new timeline. And think about those possibilities - he’d be married to the director of SHIELD. The slightest change like him causing her to get to work 5 minutes later on any given day could completely change the world’s events and everything wouldn’t go exactly as it did in the MCU timeline. He’d also have to not tell his wife that Hydra had infiltrated SHIELD.

  

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111. "You’re right. "
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I forgot that part with Banner in the lab, and I always forget about AoS.
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114. "as per The Ancient One and Professor Hulk"
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as long as Cap returned the stones (and Mjolnir) to their respective times and locations things would continue as normal. Cap simply existing would not have altered anything.

  

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126. "See my post above about the Rhodey/Banner convo though. "
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The conversation with the Ancient One focuses on stones since they was what he was trying to get from her. But it applies to any changes from time travel, per Banner’s rebuttal to Rhodey’s suggestion of going back in time to kill baby Thanos. Going back in the past doesn’t change your present that you left. To that point, Cap just being in the universe/timeline after going back to be with Peggy would be a change to his old present (current MCU timeline) - regardless of whether he stayed hidden or not.

It’s important that they keep those rules consistent because of not they fall to the same time travel paradox plot hole that almost every movie does when they try doing it. If Cap could go back in time, marry Peggy, and still grow old in the same universe then what ended up happening to her other husband and kids? Was he her husband all along? Again, that would be a time paradox. The only way you can do time travel and not fall to that plot hole is to go with the separate timeline/universe theory in which he created a new branch of the timeline in which HE was Peggy’s husband.

  

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140. "the Infinity Stones create the flow of time"
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that's what the Ancient One told Banner. that's why if someone where to obtain all 6 stones they could alter reality. that's why they were able to keep everyone from the past 5 years and still bring back everyone who had been dusted. they weren't different timelines but just different points on the same timeline. the only way that Cap could show up at the end as an old man in the same place where he left is if there was only one single timeline. if Cap staying in 1945 created a new separate timeline they would have never seen him again.

  

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141. "That doesn't address my second paragraph in the above post."
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Yes, the stones are back in place. But Cap staying still changes the events of the main timeline and creates a time travel paradox, unless his staying created a new separate timeline.

I've seen articles talking about this, and the only explanation I've seen that could fit without creating a time paradox is if Cap had extra Pym particles from stealing them in 1970. He would have lived out his life with an alternate timeline Peggy, and then back in 2023 used the Pym particles to time jump back into the main timeline to meet Bucky and Falcon on that bench. It's a big stretch, but it works.


  

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145. "no it doesn't create a paradox"
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>Yes, the stones are back in place. But Cap staying still
>changes the events of the main timeline and creates a time
>travel paradox, unless his staying created a new separate
>timeline.

the only thing that can create a new branch of the timeline is removing and not replacing one of the stones. throw out what you think you know about other time travel movies. as per the way they laid it out in Endgame, Cap couldn't have changed anything in the past even if he wanted to. so he could marry Peggy, change his name and keep a low profile and live a life with her. at the same time there would still be a Captain America that's frozen in ice that would be found around 2011. everything would still happen the way it did before. no separate timeline which is why he would just meet them on that bench in the future.


>I've seen articles talking about this, and the only
>explanation I've seen that could fit without creating a time
>paradox is if Cap had extra Pym particles from stealing them
>in 1970. He would have lived out his life with an alternate
>timeline Peggy, and then back in 2023 used the Pym particles
>to time jump back into the main timeline to meet Bucky and
>Falcon on that bench. It's a big stretch, but it works.

nah that's not what happened. he did take some extra Pym particles but he used them to make one more jump to 1945 after he was done returning everything. if he did one last jump to come back, he would have come back through the machine and he didn't. also they weren't jumping between timelines. they were jumping between different points in the same timeline.

  

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146. "Think about what you just wrote though. "
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This:
>so he could marry
>Peggy, change his name and keep a low profile and live a life
>with her.

conflicts with this:
>everything would still happen the way it did before. no
>separate timeline which is why he would just meet them on that
>bench in the future.

If he marries Peggy, what happens to her original husband and kids? Everything isn’t happening the way it did before. Separate from the stones there’s still a huge buttterfly effect caused by him being there which would make things NOT progress as they did in the original timeline.

  

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153. "it was Cap all along"
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>If he marries Peggy, what happens to her original husband and
>kids? Everything isn’t happening the way it did before.
>Separate from the stones there’s still a huge buttterfly
>effect caused by him being there which would make things NOT
>progress as they did in the original timeline.

they never showed a picture of her husband or said his name. the only thing she said in the archival footage was that she married a guy who was one of those 1000 guys that were saved by Cap. that could have just been a cover story. even in her TV show she kinda had a couple romantic interests, none of which matched that description. she was married to Cap had kids with him and kept it secret.

there is no butterfly affect. that doesn't apply here. Cap not coming back through the machine and showing up on the park bench as an old man proves that nothing else changed. it couldn't have, otherwise he would not have been there with them.

  

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155. "How did Cap first get there then?"
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Again this would still be a time loop paradox. Time is linear - at some point, before the events of the MCU, before the snap ever happened, Cap wouldn’t have been married to Peggy, because he hadn’t had the chance to come out of the ice, join the Avengers, fight Thanos, and start time traveling. So “it was Cap all along” doesn’t make sense.

It’s the same time travel paradox that almost every other movie falls into when dealing with time travel. And my problem with it is that they actually avoided it in Endgame (because of they didn’t use tine travel to change the future, they used it to acquire objects that they could use to bring back people without actually reversing what happened in Infinity War.) They avoided it all the way up to the end of the movie and then blew it with old Cap appearing in that timeline.

  

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156. "the time we saw was the first time"
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because ya know, time travel.

  

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160. "The Russos just confirmed that Cap started another branch of time. "
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In this EW interview:

https://ew.com/movies/2019/04/30/avengers-endgame-russo-brothers-captain-america/

So, has Cap been living in the past this whole time — or did he go and live in another dimension?
The directors say it’s the latter.
“If Cap were to go back into the past and live there, he would create a branched reality,” Joe explained. “The question then becomes, how is he back in this reality to give the shield away?”
The brothers smile.
“Interesting question, right?” Joe said. “Maybe there’s a story there. There’s a lot of layers built into this movie and we spent three years thinking through it, so it’s fun to talk about it and hopefully fill in holes for people so they understand what we’re thinking.”

——————

They also brought up themselves the question of how old Cap got back to the main timeline at the end and left it intentionally unanswered. So there’s a story there, either he used pym particles to jump back or he found some other way to merge back into the timeline.

  

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161. "they don't even know ... LOL"
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>They also brought up themselves the question of how old Cap
>got back to the main timeline at the end and left it
>intentionally unanswered. So there’s a story there, either
>he used pym particles to jump back or he found some other way
>to merge back into the timeline.

i look forward do them explaining it one day.

  

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162. "lol pretty much. I’m glad they brought it up though and to their"
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point, it isn’t necessarily a plot hole since there are possibilities on how he got back. Theres a ton of additional stories that can be told based on what is left unanswered.

  

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151. "just as a thought experiment, he took...four vials, yea?"
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So, two go towards him and Tony coming back to the MCU present, one goes toward him going back, and one to come back forward later? But I guess he would need the, uh, StarGate (!) being open to come back, right? Or can we assume Pym came back, and gave him more particles at the funeral so he could hit all the timelines he needed to hit?


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154. "Pym was alive when it was time to return all the stones"
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he could have gotten more from him then.

  

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120. "RE: It was 1970. But again, that was a different reality. So in that "
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Okay, yeah, this article seems to agree with your points as well. Also their point about how he returned the stones not in their original form is also a headscratcher now that I think about it. lol There are some plotholes but its a comic book movie so maybe they just expect the audience to let it slide.

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124. "Yeah. And I definitely get just letting some stuff slide. "
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The biggest issue I have with old Cap though is it wasn’t necessary. They could have ended the scene without him being there and dimming in on Bucky, who could just say something to acknowledge that he knew where Cap was, and then cut to the scene of him dancing with Peggy.

  

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207. "Cap giving the shield to Sam passes the torch"
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That definitively closes out the Evans chapter. Otherwise fans might think there was a chance for some workaround, like de-aging tech (supplied by Wakanda?), to get Cap back in the field. Giving up the shield is the only way short of killing Cap to tell fans “he won’t be back”

Would be funny if TChalla slides Old Cap a heart shaped herb in the post credit scene for BP 2 and says “we had extras,” then Evans turns all young and spry again. LOL

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137. "maybe he remembers where he left"
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And showed up there to meet them decades after he left. No Pym particles needed.

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68. "Also, I wanted Coulson"
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How the hell does NOBODY know that his ass is alive? Maybe it's some contractual shit preventing him from appearing, but no mention of him????

  

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79. "same"
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85. "RE: Also, I wanted Coulson"
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Yeah, how they bring him back for CM but not here. He should have been at least at the funeral.

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95. "well he's dead (again)"
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so he couldn't have been there.

  

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99. "RE: well he's dead (again)"
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>so he couldn't have been there.

Oh shit that's right. Forgot about that ending of AoS.

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104. "Fucking Agents of SHIELD"
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That's ridiculous. I don't even want to know the circumstances behind that.

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105. "RE: Fucking Agents of SHIELD"
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>That's ridiculous. I don't even want to know the
>circumstances behind that.

Actually the story is pretty awesome. The last few seasons of AoS have been down low spectacular.

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116. "RE: Fucking Agents of SHIELD"
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AoS got better and better each season. The first couple of seasons were weak, but man they found the right formula and consistently put out good episodes the last 3 seasons.

>>That's ridiculous. I don't even want to know the
>>circumstances behind that.
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>Actually the story is pretty awesome. The last few seasons of
>AoS have been down low spectacular.

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115. "sorry, should have said spoilers"
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139. "DYING"
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>so he couldn't have been there.

but not dead, yet, depending on the year.

who can really tell what year AOS ended up in after coming back from the future? Which by the way they DEFINITELY AND INTENTIONALLY CHANGED. Guess Marvel's movie and TV rules differ smh.

  

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157. "AoS was/is happening concurrently"
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once they came back from the future season 5 ended right around the time that Thanos was attacking Wakanda. we'll see when the next season starts in a couple weeks what point they pick up the show. it's almost always been around the same time as all the Avengers movies usually.

  

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90. "greatest movie theater experience I ever had "
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I’ve never felt like I did during that last hour

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98. "To cap off 21 films like that...bravo to everyone involved"
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The Russo brothers did it again, taking so many threads and weaving them together along with tying off some very nicely. You can't ask for more from this type of movie that has to do so much. Incredibly well done, just a great experience.

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123. "looking back, it really is amazing that we got here"
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And I'm more and more onboard with the idea that James Gunn and the Russo Bros. kind of saved this whole thing from becoming a huge waste of time. I just rewatched Iron Man 2 on Hulu last night 'cause I find myself weirdly nostalgic for this whole thing and that movie feels like it came from another planet other than Downey's performance. Of course it wasn't until the credits stinger that the MCU truly got set in motion but still, what a weird, perfectly fine and stupid superhero movie compared to the heightened stakes of the last five years.

Hell, I skipped all of Phase 2 just because the word of mouth was so negative, and I hadn't really enjoyed Thor 1 or The First Avenger enough to get invested, and I felt like they'd said all they needed to say with the two Iron Mans. Looking back over the Rotten Tomatoes averages is fun. I think I actually might figure out how to rewatch all of these movies sometime this spring, or at least the ones I never saw. Aw hell, I'm just going to rank them to kill some time before work and list their RT scores alongside it.

Phase 1 (Me out of 5 / Critics / Audience):
Iron Man (4 / 93 / 91)
The Incredible Hulk (N/A / 67 / 70)
Iron Man 2 (3 / 73 / 71)
Thor (2 / 77 / 76)
The First Avenger (3 / 80 / 74)
The Avengers (5 / 92 / 91)

Phase 2:
Iron Man 3 (N/A / 79 / 78)
The Dark World (N/A / 67 / 76)
The Winter Soldier (N/A / 90 / 92)
Guardians 1 (5 / 91 / 92)
Age of Ultron (N/A / 75 / 83)
Ant-Man (5 / 82 / 86)

Phase 3:
Civil War (5 / 91 / 89)
Doctor Strange (5 / 89 / 86)
Guardians 2 (4 / 84 / 87)
Homecoming (4 / 92 / 88)
Ragnarok (5 / 92 / 87)
Black Panther (5 / 97 / 79)
Infinity War (5 / 85 / 91)
Ant-Man & The Wasp (4 / 85 / 91)
Captain Marvel (3 / 78 / 56)
Endgame (4 / 96 / 92)


And the only ones I can even comment on from Phase 2 are after seeing Civil War on a whim in theaters and being absolutely shocked by how much I enjoyed it (and thankful I was familiar with the general idea of the state of the world from the comics I read as a kid) so I went back and watched the ones that I could on streaming services, and even that was only after seeing Black Panther and Infinity War in theaters as well and being convinced that maybe I oughta go back and give this thing a shot.

Phase 3 was a wild success, but it's even wilder to me given how unsure of a bet this thing was from film to film until Ant-Man and Civil War delivered back to back, and then the Marvel Charm was just firing on all cylinders for the next two years.


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125. "RE: looking back, it really is amazing that we got here"
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You really need to see Winter Soldier. It's still my favorite Marvel movie to date, just excellent story, execution.

  

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127. "I think I'm gonna rent it from Amazon tomorrow"
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I'm not into the idea of renting digital for some reason (lack of extras, I spose) so I've never done it, but this has always felt like the huge weak link in my chain, from all I've heard it hits so many notes I'm looking for superhero movie or not, and my appetite for these things is at an all time high.


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128. "The guy didn’t see WS, yet expects us to read his tome"
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>You really need to see Winter Soldier. It's still my
>favorite Marvel movie to date, just excellent story,
>execution.

  

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142. "RE: The guy didn’t see WS, yet expects us to read his tome"
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Call me Ishmael. Some years ago—never mind how long precisely—having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world. It is a way I have of driving off the spleen and regulating the circulation. Whenever I find myself growing grim about the mouth; whenever it is a damp, drizzly November in my soul; whenever I find myself involuntarily pausing before coffin warehouses, and bringing up the rear of every funeral I meet; and especially whenever my hypos get such an upper hand of me, that it requires a strong moral principle to prevent me from deliberately stepping into the street, and methodically knocking people’s hats off—then, I account it high time to get to sea as soon as I can. This is my substitute for pistol and ball. With a philosophical flourish Cato throws himself upon his sword; I quietly take to the ship. There is nothing surprising in this. If they but knew it, almost all men in their degree, some time or other, cherish very nearly the same feelings towards the ocean with me.

There now is your insular city of the Manhattoes, belted round by wharves as Indian isles by coral reefs—commerce surrounds it with her surf. Right and left, the streets take you waterward. Its extreme downtown is the battery, where that noble mole is washed by waves, and cooled by breezes, which a few hours previous were out of sight of land. Look at the crowds of water-gazers there.

Circumambulate the city of a dreamy Sabbath afternoon. Go from Corlears Hook to Coenties Slip, and from thence, by Whitehall, northward. What do you see?—Posted like silent sentinels all around the town, stand thousands upon thousands of mortal men fixed in ocean reveries. Some leaning against the spiles; some seated upon the pier-heads; some looking over the bulwarks of ships from China; some high aloft in the rigging, as if striving to get a still better seaward peep. But these are all landsmen; of week days pent up in lath and plaster—tied to counters, nailed to benches, clinched to desks. How then is this? Are the green fields gone? What do they here?

The transition is a keen one, I assure you, from a schoolmaster to a sailor, and requires a strong decoction of Seneca and the Stoics to enable you to grin and bear it.

But look! here come more crowds, pacing straight for the water, and seemingly bound for a dive. Strange! Nothing will content them but the extremest limit of the land; loitering under the shady lee of yonder warehouses will not suffice. No. They must get just as nigh the water as they possibly can without falling in. And there they stand—miles of them—leagues. Inlanders all, they come from lanes and alleys, streets and avenues—north, east, south, and west. Yet here they all unite. Tell me, does the magnetic virtue of the needles of the compasses of all those ships attract them thither?

Once more. Say you are in the country; in some high land of lakes. Take almost any path you please, and ten to one it carries you down in a dale, and leaves you there by a pool in the stream. There is magic in it. Let the most absent-minded of men be plunged in his deepest reveries—stand that man on his legs, set his feet a-going, and he will infallibly lead you to water, if water there be in all that region. Should you ever be athirst in the great American desert, try this experiment, if your caravan happen to be supplied with a metaphysical professor. Yes, as every one knows, meditation and water are wedded for ever.

But here is an artist. He desires to paint you the dreamiest, shadiest, quietest, most enchanting bit of romantic landscape in all the valley of the Saco. What is the chief element he employs? There stand his trees, each with a hollow trunk, as if a hermit and a crucifix were within; and here sleeps his meadow, and there sleep his cattle; and up from yonder cottage goes a sleepy smoke. Deep into distant woodlands winds a mazy way, reaching to overlapping spurs of mountains bathed in their hill-side blue. But though the picture lies thus tranced, and though this pine-tree shakes down its sighs like leaves upon this shepherd’s head, yet all were vain, unless the shepherd’s eye were fixed upon the magic stream before him. Go visit the Prairies in June, when for scores on scores of miles you wade knee-deep among Tiger-lilies—what is the one charm wanting?—Water—there is not a drop of water there! Were Niagara but a cataract of sand, would you travel your thousand miles to see it? Why did the poor poet of Tennessee, upon suddenly receiving two handfuls of silver, deliberate whether to buy him a coat, which he sadly needed, or invest his money in a pedestrian trip to Rockaway Beach? Why is almost every robust healthy boy with a robust healthy soul in him, at some time or other crazy to go to sea? Why upon your first voyage as a passenger, did you yourself feel such a mystical vibration, when first told that you and your ship were now out of sight of land? Why did the old Persians hold the sea holy? Why did the Greeks give it a separate deity, and own brother of Jove? Surely all this is not without meaning. And still deeper the meaning of that story of Narcissus, who because he could not grasp the tormenting, mild image he saw in the fountain, plunged into it and was drowned. But that same image, we ourselves see in all rivers and oceans. It is the image of the ungraspable phantom of life; and this is the key to it all.

Now, when I say that I am in the habit of going to sea whenever I begin to grow hazy about the eyes, and begin to be over conscious of my lungs, I do not mean to have it inferred that I ever go to sea as a passenger. For to go as a passenger you must needs have a purse, and a purse is but a rag unless you have something in it. Besides, passengers get sea-sick—grow quarrelsome—don’t sleep of nights—do not enjoy themselves much, as a general thing;—no, I never go as a passenger; nor, though I am something of a salt, do I ever go to sea as a Commodore, or a Captain, or a Cook. I abandon the glory and distinction of such offices to those who like them. For my part, I abominate all honourable respectable toils, trials, and tribulations of every kind whatsoever. It is quite as much as I can do to take care of myself, without taking care of ships, barques, brigs, schooners, and what not. And as for going as cook,—though I confess there is considerable glory in that, a cook being a sort of officer on ship-board—yet, somehow, I never fancied broiling fowls;—though once broiled, judiciously buttered, and judgmatically salted and peppered, there is no one who will speak more respectfully, not to say reverentially, of a broiled fowl than I will. It is out of the idolatrous dotings of the old Egyptians upon broiled ibis and roasted river horse, that you see the mummies of those creatures in their huge bake-houses the pyramids.

No, when I go to sea, I go as a simple sailor, right before the mast, plumb down into the forecastle, aloft there to the royal mast-head. True, they rather order me about some, and make me jump from spar to spar, like a grasshopper in a May meadow. And at first, this sort of thing is unpleasant enough. It touches one’s sense of honour, particularly if you come of an old established family in the land, the Van Rensselaers, or Randolphs, or Hardicanutes. And more than all, if just previous to putting your hand into the tar-pot, you have been lording it as a country schoolmaster, making the tallest boys stand in awe of you. The transition is a keen one, I assure you, from a schoolmaster to a sailor, and requires a strong decoction of Seneca and the Stoics to enable you to grin and bear it. But even this wears off in time.

What of it, if some old hunks of a sea-captain orders me to get a broom and sweep down the decks? What does that indignity amount to, weighed, I mean, in the scales of the New Testament? Do you think the archangel Gabriel thinks anything the less of me, because I promptly and respectfully obey that old hunks in that particular instance? Who ain’t a slave? Tell me that. Well, then, however the old sea-captains may order me about—however they may thump and punch me about, I have the satisfaction of knowing that it is all right; that everybody else is one way or other served in much the same way—either in a physical or metaphysical point of view, that is; and so the universal thump is passed round, and all hands should rub each other’s shoulder-blades, and be content.

Again, I always go to sea as a sailor, because they make a point of paying me for my trouble, whereas they never pay passengers a single penny that I ever heard of. On the contrary, passengers themselves must pay. And there is all the difference in the world between paying and being paid. The act of paying is perhaps the most uncomfortable infliction that the two orchard thieves entailed upon us. But BEING PAID,—what will compare with it? The urbane activity with which a man receives money is really marvellous, considering that we so earnestly believe money to be the root of all earthly ills, and that on no account can a monied man enter heaven. Ah! how cheerfully we consign ourselves to perdition!

Finally, I always go to sea as a sailor, because of the wholesome exercise and pure air of the fore-castle deck. For as in this world, head winds are far more prevalent than winds from astern (that is, if you never violate the Pythagorean maxim), so for the most part the Commodore on the quarter-deck gets his atmosphere at second hand from the sailors on the forecastle. He thinks he breathes it first; but not so. In much the same way do the commonalty lead their leaders in many other things, at the same time that the leaders little suspect it. But wherefore it was that after having repeatedly smelt the sea as a merchant sailor, I should now take it into my head to go on a whaling voyage; this the invisible police officer of the Fates, who has the constant surveillance of me, and secretly dogs me, and influences me in some unaccountable way—he can better answer than any one else. And, doubtless, my going on this whaling voyage, formed part of the grand programme of Providence that was drawn up a long time ago. It came in as a sort of brief interlude and solo between more extensive performances. I take it that this part of the bill must have run something like this:

“GRAND CONTESTED ELECTION FOR THE PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES. “WHALING VOYAGE BY ONE ISHMAEL. “BLOODY BATTLE IN AFFGHANISTAN.”

Though I cannot tell why it was exactly that those stage managers, the Fates, put me down for this shabby part of a whaling voyage, when others were set down for magnificent parts in high tragedies, and short and easy parts in genteel comedies, and jolly parts in farces—though I cannot tell why this was exactly; yet, now that I recall all the circumstances, I think I can see a little into the springs and motives which being cunningly presented to me under various disguises, induced me to set about performing the part I did, besides cajoling me into the delusion that it was a choice resulting from my own unbiased freewill and discriminating judgment.

Chief among these motives was the overwhelming idea of the great whale himself. Such a portentous and mysterious monster roused all my curiosity. Then the wild and distant seas where he rolled his island bulk; the undeliverable, nameless perils of the whale; these, with all the attending marvels of a thousand Patagonian sights and sounds, helped to sway me to my wish. With other men, perhaps, such things would not have been inducements; but as for me, I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas, and land on barbarous coasts. Not ignoring what is good, I am quick to perceive a horror, and could still be social with it—would they let me—since it is but well to be on friendly terms with all the inmates of the place one lodges in.

By reason of these things, then, the whaling voyage was welcome; the great flood-gates of the wonder-world swung open, and in the wild conceits that swayed me to my purpose, two and two there floated into my inmost soul, endless processions of the whale, and, mid most of them all, one grand hooded phantom, like a snow hill in the air.



CHAPTER 2. The Carpet-Bag.
I stuffed a shirt or two into my old carpet-bag, tucked it under my arm, and started for Cape Horn and the Pacific. Quitting the good city of old Manhatto, I duly arrived in New Bedford. It was a Saturday night in December. Much was I disappointed upon learning that the little packet for Nantucket had already sailed, and that no way of reaching that place would offer, till the following Monday.

As most young candidates for the pains and penalties of whaling stop at this same New Bedford, thence to embark on their voyage, it may as well be related that I, for one, had no idea of so doing. For my mind was made up to sail in no other than a Nantucket craft, because there was a fine, boisterous something about everything connected with that famous old island, which amazingly pleased me. Besides though New Bedford has of late been gradually monopolising the business of whaling, and though in this matter poor old Nantucket is now much behind her, yet Nantucket was her great original—the Tyre of this Carthage;—the place where the first dead American whale was stranded. Where else but from Nantucket did those aboriginal whalemen, the Red-Men, first sally out in canoes to give chase to the Leviathan? And where but from Nantucket, too, did that first adventurous little sloop put forth, partly laden with imported cobblestones—so goes the story—to throw at the whales, in order to discover when they were nigh enough to risk a harpoon from the bowsprit?

Now having a night, a day, and still another night following before me in New Bedford, ere I could embark for my destined port, it became a matter of concernment where I was to eat and sleep meanwhile. It was a very dubious-looking, nay, a very dark and dismal night, bitingly cold and cheerless. I knew no one in the place. With anxious grapnels I had sounded my pocket, and only brought up a few pieces of silver,—So, wherever you go, Ishmael, said I to myself, as I stood in the middle of a dreary street shouldering my bag, and comparing the gloom towards the north with the darkness towards the south—wherever in your wisdom you may conclude to lodge for the night, my dear Ishmael, be sure to inquire the price, and don’t be too particular.

As most young candidates for the pains and penalties of whaling stop at this same New Bedford, thence to embark on their voyage, it may as well be related that I, for one, had no idea of so doing.

With halting steps I paced the streets, and passed the sign of “The Crossed Harpoons”—but it looked too expensive and jolly there. Further on, from the bright red windows of the “Sword-Fish Inn,” there came such fervent rays, that it seemed to have melted the packed snow and ice from before the house, for everywhere else the congealed frost lay ten inches thick in a hard, asphaltic pavement,—rather weary for me, when I struck my foot against the flinty projections, because from hard, remorseless service the soles of my boots were in a most miserable plight. Too expensive and jolly, again thought I, pausing one moment to watch the broad glare in the street, and hear the sounds of the tinkling glasses within. But go on, Ishmael, said I at last; don’t you hear? get away from before the door; your patched boots are stopping the way. So on I went. I now by instinct followed the streets that took me waterward, for there, doubtless, were the cheapest, if not the cheeriest inns.

Such dreary streets! blocks of blackness, not houses, on either hand, and here and there a candle, like a candle moving about in a tomb. At this hour of the night, of the last day of the week, that quarter of the town proved all but deserted. But presently I came to a smoky light proceeding from a low, wide building, the door of which stood invitingly open. It had a careless look, as if it were meant for the uses of the public; so, entering, the first thing I did was to stumble over an ash-box in the porch. Ha! thought I, ha, as the flying particles almost choked me, are these ashes from that destroyed city, Gomorrah? But “The Crossed Harpoons,” and “The Sword-Fish?”—this, then must needs be the sign of “The Trap.” However, I picked myself up and hearing a loud voice within, pushed on and opened a second, interior door.

It seemed the great Black Parliament sitting in Tophet. A hundred black faces turned round in their rows to peer; and beyond, a black Angel of Doom was beating a book in a pulpit. It was a negro church; and the preacher’s text was about the blackness of darkness, and the weeping and wailing and teeth-gnashing there. Ha, Ishmael, muttered I, backing out, Wretched entertainment at the sign of ‘The Trap!’

Moving on, I at last came to a dim sort of light not far from the docks, and heard a forlorn creaking in the air; and looking up, saw a swinging sign over the door with a white painting upon it, faintly representing a tall straight jet of misty spray, and these words underneath—”The Spouter Inn:—Peter Coffin.”

Coffin?—Spouter?—Rather ominous in that particular connexion, thought I. But it is a common name in Nantucket, they say, and I suppose this Peter here is an emigrant from there. As the light looked so dim, and the place, for the time, looked quiet enough, and the dilapidated little wooden house itself looked as if it might have been carted here from the ruins of some burnt district, and as the swinging sign had a poverty-stricken sort of creak to it, I thought that here was the very spot for cheap lodgings, and the best of pea coffee.

It was a queer sort of place—a gable-ended old house, one side palsied as it were, and leaning over sadly. It stood on a sharp bleak corner, where that tempestuous wind Euroclydon kept up a worse howling than ever it did about poor Paul’s tossed craft. Euroclydon, nevertheless, is a mighty pleasant zephyr to any one in-doors, with his feet on the hob quietly toasting for bed. “In judging of that tempestuous wind called Euroclydon,” says an old writer—of whose works I possess the only copy extant—”it maketh a marvellous difference, whether thou lookest out at it from a glass window where the frost is all on the outside, or whether thou observest it from that sashless window, where the frost is on both sides, and of which the wight Death is the only glazier.” True enough, thought I, as this passage occurred to my mind—old black-letter, thou reasonest well. Yes, these eyes are windows, and this body of mine is the house. What a pity they didn’t stop up the chinks and the crannies though, and thrust in a little lint here and there. But it’s too late to make any improvements now. The universe is finished; the copestone is on, and the chips were carted off a million years ago. Poor Lazarus there, chattering his teeth against the curbstone for his pillow, and shaking off his tatters with his shiverings, he might plug up both ears with rags, and put a corn-cob into his mouth, and yet that would not keep out the tempestuous Euroclydon. Euroclydon! says old Dives, in his red silken wrapper—(he had a redder one afterwards) pooh, pooh! What a fine frosty night; how Orion glitters; what northern lights! Let them talk of their oriental summer climes of everlasting conservatories; give me the privilege of making my own summer with my own coals.

But what thinks Lazarus? Can he warm his blue hands by holding them up to the grand northern lights? Would not Lazarus rather be in Sumatra than here? Would he not far rather lay him down lengthwise along the line of the equator; yea, ye gods! go down to the fiery pit itself, in order to keep out this frost?

Now, that Lazarus should lie stranded there on the curbstone before the door of Dives, this is more wonderful than that an iceberg should be moored to one of the Moluccas. Yet Dives himself, he too lives like a Czar in an ice palace made of frozen sighs, and being a president of a temperance society, he only drinks the tepid tears of orphans.

But no more of this blubbering now, we are going a-whaling, and there is plenty of that yet to come. Let us scrape the ice from our frosted feet, and see what sort of a place this “Spouter” may be.



CHAPTER 3. The Spouter-Inn.
Entering that gable-ended Spouter-Inn, you found yourself in a wide, low, straggling entry with old-fashioned wainscots, reminding one of the bulwarks of some condemned old craft. On one side hung a very large oilpainting so thoroughly besmoked, and every way defaced, that in the unequal crosslights by which you viewed it, it was only by diligent study and a series of systematic visits to it, and careful inquiry of the neighbors, that you could any way arrive at an understanding of its purpose. Such unaccountable masses of shades and shadows, that at first you almost thought some ambitious young artist, in the time of the New England hags, had endeavored to delineate chaos bewitched. But by dint of much and earnest contemplation, and oft repeated ponderings, and especially by throwing open the little window towards the back of the entry, you at last come to the conclusion that such an idea, however wild, might not be altogether unwarranted.

But what most puzzled and confounded you was a long, limber, portentous, black mass of something hovering in the centre of the picture over three blue, dim, perpendicular lines floating in a nameless yeast. A boggy, soggy, squitchy picture truly, enough to drive a nervous man distracted. Yet was there a sort of indefinite, half-attained, unimaginable sublimity about it that fairly froze you to it, till you involuntarily took an oath with yourself to find out what that marvellous painting meant. Ever and anon a bright, but, alas, deceptive idea would dart you through.—It’s the Black Sea in a midnight gale.—It’s the unnatural combat of the four primal elements.—It’s a blasted heath.—It’s a Hyperborean winter scene.—It’s the breaking-up of the icebound stream of Time. But at last all these fancies yielded to that one portentous something in the picture’s midst. THAT once found out, and all the rest were plain. But stop; does it not bear a faint resemblance to a gigantic fish? even the great leviathan himself?

In fact, the artist’s design seemed this: a final theory of my own, partly based upon the aggregated opinions of many aged persons with whom I conversed upon the subject. The picture represents a Cape-Horner in a great hurricane; the half-foundered ship weltering there with its three dismantled masts alone visible; and an exasperated whale, purposing to spring clean over the craft, is in the enormous act of impaling himself upon the three mast-heads.

I turned in, and never slept better in my life.

The opposite wall of this entry was hung all over with a heathenish array of monstrous clubs and spears. Some were thickly set with glittering teeth resembling ivory saws; others were tufted with knots of human hair; and one was sickle-shaped, with a vast handle sweeping round like the segment made in the new-mown grass by a long-armed mower. You shuddered as you gazed, and wondered what monstrous cannibal and savage could ever have gone a death-harvesting with such a hacking, horrifying implement. Mixed with these were rusty old whaling lances and harpoons all broken and deformed. Some were storied weapons. With this once long lance, now wildly elbowed, fifty years ago did Nathan Swain kill fifteen whales between a sunrise and a sunset. And that harpoon—so like a corkscrew now—was flung in Javan seas, and run away with by a whale, years afterwards slain off the Cape of Blanco. The original iron entered nigh the tail, and, like a restless needle sojourning in the body of a man, travelled full forty feet, and at last was found imbedded in the hump.

Crossing this dusky entry, and on through yon low-arched way—cut through what in old times must have been a great central chimney with fireplaces all round—you enter the public room. A still duskier place is this, with such low ponderous beams above, and such old wrinkled planks beneath, that you would almost fancy you trod some old craft’s cockpits, especially of such a howling night, when this corner-anchored old ark rocked so furiously. On one side stood a long, low, shelf-like table covered with cracked glass cases, filled with dusty rarities gathered from this wide world’s remotest nooks. Projecting from the further angle of the room stands a dark-looking den—the bar—a rude attempt at a right whale’s head. Be that how it may, there stands the vast arched bone of the whale’s jaw, so wide, a coach might almost drive beneath it. Within are shabby shelves, ranged round with old decanters, bottles, flasks; and in those jaws of swift destruction, like another cursed Jonah (by which name indeed they called him), bustles a little withered old man, who, for their money, dearly sells the sailors deliriums and death.

Abominable are the tumblers into which he pours his poison. Though true cylinders without—within, the villanous green goggling glasses deceitfully tapered downwards to a cheating bottom. Parallel meridians rudely pecked into the glass, surround these footpads’ goblets. Fill to THIS mark, and your charge is but a penny; to THIS a penny more; and so on to the full glass—the Cape Horn measure, which you may gulp down for a shilling.

Upon entering the place I found a number of young seamen gathered about a table, examining by a dim light divers specimens of SKRIMSHANDER. I sought the landlord, and telling him I desired to be accommodated with a room, received for answer that his house was full—not a bed unoccupied. “But avast,” he added, tapping his forehead, “you haint no objections to sharing a harpooneer’s blanket, have ye? I s’pose you are goin’ a-whalin’, so you’d better get used to that sort of thing.”

I told him that I never liked to sleep two in a bed; that if I should ever do so, it would depend upon who the harpooneer might be, and that if he (the landlord) really had no other place for me, and the harpooneer was not decidedly objectionable, why rather than wander further about a strange town on so bitter a night, I would put up with the half of any decent man’s blanket.

“I thought so. All right; take a seat. Supper?—you want supper? Supper’ll be ready directly.”

I sat down on an old wooden settle, carved all over like a bench on the Battery. At one end a ruminating tar was still further adorning it with his jack-knife, stooping over and diligently working away at the space between his legs. He was trying his hand at a ship under full sail, but he didn’t make much headway, I thought.

At last some four or five of us were summoned to our meal in an adjoining room.


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152. "winter soldier and guardians started the ball rolling"
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WS established the ensemble feature of the films/MCU, balancing multiple team members/midtier characters and midtier villains

and GotG was just a marvel flex. lets take characters the public doesnt even know, open the marvel world into space travel, talking trees and raccoons, and make it a smash hit. i remember the 1st time the commercial played on tv, dudes thought it was a parody of all the superhero films cuz it was so far out there



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149. "$357,115,007. Goodness...."
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We're only a few hundred off from this being $100 million bigger than Infinity War. And it's a 3 hour movie...

I suppose next weekend's take will go a long way to seeing if this can topple Avatar. Nothing really is coming out this weekend, and while next weekend Pikachu should take back some of the box office, there still isn't a really big draw until John Wick and Aladdin come out the following weeks.


I'm going to see it again tomorrow, if just to support the cause...

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158. "It's a Greatest Hits Album That Has Some Dope New Unreleased Tracks"
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That's what this reminds me of.

Literally has call backs to almost every single Marvel movie to date, which is great fan service, but with a (mostly) coherent plot. Then they threw in some great new wrinkles and sure to be iconic moments, and the joint had very real stakes and consequences.

I pretty much loved it.
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167. "People still playing Fortnite in 2023 though?"
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Like, we're 5 years out. Did everybody at Sony get dusted? The servers are still up and running?

Absolute nerdy nitpicking, I know...

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168. "People are still playing Team Fortress 2 in 2019"
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Yeah, and if half the devs got dusted the company might still have the servers up and running to make money instead of making new titles.

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169. "Prolly even more people playing it in 2023 than now. "
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What else are people gonna do for entertainment/escape from the post-dusted world? Looked like society basically just stopped for 5 years. No sports teams to watch, no new entertainment content to consume, so it makes sense that companies would just keep existing stuff gong for as long as they could.

I’m pretty sure the PS5 release would get pushed back a lil bit after the snap...

  

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170. "Counter Strike still on the charts"
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171. "*Spoilers* although you should stay out here till you've watched it"
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To carry on from what was discussed in reply 150, are we accepting that Cap set some shit into motion with his last trip? Perhaps HIS story is done, but the fact that, with all the issues they encountered as a team when time traveling, his was done with little fanfare, there HAS to be repercussions. I mean for fuck's sake he beat his own ass, who in fairness, thought he was Loki and Loki disappearing with the tesseract only feeds it, but they did not get out of the past without making a mess.

Because there was so little attention paid to it, I'm thinking they have material to work with going forward, including a fan theory I'm digging about how Natasha may be alive again:
https://www.inverse.com/article/55381-avengers-endgame-spoilers-black-widow-death-scene-reversed-by-fan-theory

The second one seems pretty plausible, especially with how the Soul Stone operates. But, considering how Natasha's sacrifice was at LEAST (if not more) as consequential as Tony's, she got very little sendoff. Perhaps that's because she's not dead for good...

What other ideas do y'all have floating around from "Cap's last mission"



  

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173. "or people write clickbait articles "
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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174. "I definitely thought of Cap (spoiler redacted)"
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(spoilers)




...trading the Soul Stone to get Nat back. They gave her to get it, seems only right that they get her back when they return it.

  

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177. "lmao to all that"
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They will never address any of that ever again.

The last thing they probably want to do is make more movies that try to patch together the problematic time travel aspects of Endgame. All that will do is dig the hole deeper, and they know it.

They will talk about the aftermath of the snap and the snap to fix the snap, but they will not touch all that shit with Cap returning the stones. Especially since most of it doesn't make sense (especially the soul stone, unless he threw Agent Carter's ass off the mountain and then went to another timelime to get that lovin)

  

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178. "I seriously hope not."
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>They will never address any of that ever again.
>
>The last thing they probably want to do is make more movies
>that try to patch together the problematic time travel aspects
>of Endgame. All that will do is dig the hole deeper, and they
>know it.

that shit is bogging down the X-Men franchise like crazy.

  

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179. "Based on the Far From Home trailer they are at least "
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jumping into the multi-verse aspect of characters coming from other timelines into the main timeline, and that could get messy quickly if they don't shut it down. At any point they could just have any dead character come back and say it's because of the snap affecting the multi-verse.

  

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180. "RE: Based on the Far From Home trailer they are at least "
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>jumping into the multi-verse aspect of characters coming from
>other timelines into the main timeline, and that could get
>messy quickly if they don't shut it down. At any point they
>could just have any dead character come back and say it's
>because of the snap affecting the multi-verse.

What character came from another timeline?

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rewatched the trailer, this time not in a loud room, haha.

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182. "i'd almost bet money they wouldn't do that"
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>At any point they
>could just have any dead character come back and say it's
>because of the snap affecting the multi-verse.

with all the work they put into setting up pretty strict and unexpected ways to tell a story, i don't believe they'd let something that big be a convenient out.

  

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183. "That score (and Portals in particular) will go down as one of the greats"
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https://youtu.be/NCRHUimGwSA

I took my daughter to see it Sunday for her first time. That was my third time seeing it. Once the portals started to open and she saw Shuri and T'Challa step through the portal with that regal ass music playing, she started crying. When Peter swung back through the portal she was sobbing. At that point I couldn't hold it together either.

As far as hype movie going experiences, I thought the first assembly in The Avengers (from Hulk punching the Leviathan through the nice tracking shot of Iron Man assisting everyone) was the greatest thing ever, as everybody in the theater lost their collective minds. That portals scene just eclipsed it, as seeing so many people jumping for joy, sobbing with joy, or doing both (as was my case and may others) was an unbelievable experience

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184. "I really didn't like the portals part"
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It threw the timing way off for me.

Like how could Hawkeye know spatially where the portal would open in relation to CAP?

Why did they give BP and crew 20 seconds on a casual stroll and he smile directly at camera?

Why did he says "Avenegers Assemble!!!!" *after* they had already assembled?

Thank goodness Thanos give them the 90 seconds to line up and not start attacking earlier.

Just seems to slow down the action for pure fan service.



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185. "Dang homie... it's a comic book movie"
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I'm just messing... I agree, almost everyone just saunters into the scene. But maybe the reason Thanos didn't attack was because he was surveying the scene and trying to figure out what's going on himself? I don't know... I can't defend that, nor do I want to.

But, I will say that my 8 year-old said he was fighting back tears during that scene (he eventually broke when Iron Man died) and my 6 year-old stood up and did a fist pump in the air when Spider-man came through (he was devastated after Infinity War specifically because of Spider-man). So yes, adult me would side with your gripes. But at the same time, it's just a dope moment.

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188. "smh"
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>It threw the timing way off for me.
>
>Like how could Hawkeye know spatially where the portal would
>open in relation to CAP?
>
>Why did they give BP and crew 20 seconds on a casual stroll
>and he smile directly at camera?
>
>Why did he says "Avenegers Assemble!!!!" *after* they had
>already assembled?
>
>Thank goodness Thanos give them the 90 seconds to line up and
>not start attacking earlier.
>
>Just seems to slow down the action for pure fan service.
>
>
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192. "point of order"
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>Like how could Hawkeye know spatially where the portal would
>open in relation to CAP?

I think you mean Falcon

His line (On your left) was a callback to Winder Soldier when they first met and cap kept lapping him at the Washington Monument

>Why did they give BP and crew 20 seconds on a casual stroll
>and he smile directly at camera?

C'mon mayne. S'called a "Hero moment" which allows for a dramatic stroll/entry

At that point they were highlighting "look...everyone is back" as a payoff for the anguish of having to watch them all sequentially fade away

>Why did he says "Avenegers Assemble!!!!" *after* they had
>already assembled?

"Avengers Assemble" isn't a call to gather, its a call to proceed as a group (think: "charge!", see also: "Imperius rex", "it's clobberin' time" or "hulk smash!")

>Thank goodness Thanos give them the 90 seconds to line up and
>not start attacking earlier.
>Just seems to slow down the action for pure fan service.

...or you could see it as a "breather". we had just seen cap/ironman/and thor get beat. give the audience a moment to recognize this and just when everything looked its bleakest and here comes the cavalry

that is a pretty fairly standard story trope (particularly in comics) - see:

https://allthetropes.fandom.com/wiki/Just_in_Time

  

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196. "Thanos was gathering his army too"
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before all the portals and heroes coming back Thanos was alone. once they cut back to Thanos his whole Black Order, Chitauri army, Outriders, Sakaarans and everything else he had available as on the battlefield.

  

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198. "How'd they get there?"
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Still fuzzy on that one.

Was it a portal like in the original Avengers but Thanos calls them in present time?

or is the lamer "Black Maw figured out how time travel worked and brought the entire army there using Pym particles" theory by the directors work? https://www.looper.com/151852/the-big-thanos-plot-hole-in-endgame-finally-explained/

Makes 0 sense, but whatever - the righteous punched a little harder and won!!

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199. "they were all in his ship"
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remember when the Avengers went back in time the initially, Rocket handed Hawkeye his ship the Milano which was in the palm of Hawkeye's hand. so it was possibly to shrink down a ship and take it through time with them. Thanos did the same thing, just with his entire army inside.

  

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201. "So nebula had the minautre ship and inside that ship"
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Was a militarized army that Thanos could "grow up" with a miniaturized device on his ship??

Nesting doll styleeee?

Or was his army actually form 5 years into the future and was stationed near Earth to meet him when he popped in from the past?

A line or two of dialog would have cleared this up.

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186. "Silvestri really nailed it with the theme"
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One of the smartest things about Sony's Spider-Man game from last year was that they / John Paesano incorporated its feel into the music that played while you were swinging around as Spider-Man in the city. It just roars superhero:

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189. "so Bucky didn't have a boo in the past?"
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I mean if we hoppin in the quantum realm to get the life we never had, wouldn't it cool if your best friend didn't have to become a government experiment? lol

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190. "RE: so Bucky didn't have a boo in the past?"
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>I mean if we hoppin in the quantum realm to get the life we
>never had, wouldn't it cool if your best friend didn't have to
>become a government experiment? lol
>
>
What do you mean? changing the past wouldnt change the future so how was cap supposed to do anything about that?

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191. "Reflections"
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So I've seen it 3 times, after seeing every other movie in compressed time. Needed to settle my emotions down after the first few watches. With some perspective, I can know clearly state why it doesn't crack my top five (Avengers, TWS, CW, BP, IW). And it's NOT even the time travel, which I can let ride. And you can't put EVERYTHING in 1 (or 2) movies, but....Hulk, Nat, and Bucky got raw deals.

1) Treatment of Hulk - Thanos made that nigga quit fighting and take up poetry. The conflict between Banner and Hulk in IW was worth a build up because we just KNEW he would get his comeuppance. What we got...was not that. How do you know the most epic battle scene without Hulk smashing? It was a discredit to everything he stood for. He had easily 2 of the best 5 lines/moments in the Avengers: 1) I'm always angry 2) Puny God.

He had more than enough motivation to lose his shit, and the gamma radiation that went through the gauntlet could have triggered psychotic world breaker rage. And at the end of the movie, when he sent Steve into the quantum realm, once it cut to old Steve, he was literally done from the movie, no ending, no finality, just thrown off like an extra.

2) Treatment of Natasha - I can understand why she died, but to make it seem like she HAD to was some bullshit. So because she couldn't bear children and had no traditional family unit, she had nothing to hold onto? FOH. Hawkeye could have easily and probably should have been the one to die. It would have been poetic if his family only knew him as he was, not what he became. They snap out, HE snapped, then he dies, and they're snapped back. Once they became Avengers, they all seemed to adhere to a code of not killing unless necessary in a fight. He broke that code. His death would have been "cleansing."
That notwithstanding, hers was the final selfless act in a series of them where she put the team and the goal ahead of herself: 1) turning Bruce into Hulk in Ultron 2)flying to London for Peggy's funeral, 3) signing the accords 4) helping Steve and Bucky. Didn't she deserve more than just a quick chat at the lake? Tony's memorial, with every major character from all the movies, gave her ZERO acknowledgement. Her character had earned a fuckload more than that, considering none of that happens without her sacrifice.

3) Treatment of Bucky - Son got a VIBRANIUM ARM and that shit stayed parked on the shelf. The most attention it got was when Rocket was eyeing it for a prize. How in two movies does dude do nothing but fucking shoot a gun?? It was literally a bright, shiny, object.



There were many high points in the film, and much that I enjoyed, but I could tell after my first viewing that this one left me feeling somewhat incomplete. These three points weren't exactly minor miscues. They were pretty glaring missteps with three major characters that other shit should have taken a back seat to. Truthfully, giving Hulk some retribution would have been the only real time devoted to storytelling.

  

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193. "I agree, except that"
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Only the Hulk part bothered me.

You're not wrong on everything else, but I didn't mind the rest. Especially the Black Widow stuff. Yeah it's bad that she wasn't acknowledged at the end, but her death worked for the story IMO. It was an intense scene, and I like that in some ways Hawkeye's the emotional core of the group, even though everyone thinks of him as the weakest link of the Avengers.

  

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194. "I forgot to mention"
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>Only the Hulk part bothered me.
>
>You're not wrong on everything else, but I didn't mind the
>rest. Especially the Black Widow stuff. Yeah it's bad that she
>wasn't acknowledged at the end, but her death worked for the
>story IMO. It was an intense scene, and I like that in some
>ways Hawkeye's the emotional core of the group, even though
>everyone thinks of him as the weakest link of the Avengers.

Ultron was really Hawkeye's starring movie. He was literally and figuratively a tool in Avengers. In Ultron, he was the only one Wanda didn't tamper with, he provided the off the grid reboot time they needed, opened up to them about his personal life, and helped Wanda get her mind right to become an Avenger. He was also prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice, with so much to lose, but Quicksilver saved him. It would have been a nice completion to his arc. I can still UNDERSTAND why it was Nat, but I think her dying has underwhelmed me for her solo prequel, knowing her final outcome in advance.

I actually felt like she became the emotional center of the team. Like Cap said when asked if she had family, "Us."

  

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195. "RE: I agree, except that"
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>Only the Hulk part bothered me.
>
>You're not wrong on everything else, but I didn't mind the
>rest. Especially the Black Widow stuff. Yeah it's bad that she
>wasn't acknowledged at the end, but her death worked for the
>story IMO. It was an intense scene, and I like that in some
>ways Hawkeye's the emotional core of the group, even though
>everyone thinks of him as the weakest link of the Avengers.

I am with you on this. I agree with the points above, but it was only the Hulk not smashing shit that had me like WTF?!!?

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197. "i still feel like Nat ain't quite done in the MCU"
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not including the solo prequel film.
we still don't have enough info on how the soul stone and the 'soul world' they (her and Gamora) end up in actually works, only that Red Skull says it's an everlasting exchange and can't be undone.
i think this'll at least open up some proper comic booky back-from-the-dead type scenarios for her to come back into the current timeline.

i don't know her story in the comics at all, but does anything like this happen to her there?

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200. "RE: i still feel like Nat ain't quite done in the MCU"
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"i don't know her story in the comics at all, but does anything like this happen to her there?"


Evil Cap snapped her neck in Secret Empire but I think they brought her back. I stopped reading a while ago but think she's back.

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202. "RE: Reflections "
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- These are some real reflections
- The Hulk stuff, if he were the same Hulk at the end that he was in the beginning i'd agree, but he's not. He's all of the power without the rage. He said he's tired of smashing, he's recognizing that smarts with the power can be just as important. Him holding onto the Gauntlet is where his power was needed not smashing. Did the movie convey that in the best way, probably not, but they had a lot to tie up so i'll take it.

- Yea I agree on Nat, I think she probably deserved better, but its a balancing act and you've got to make tough choices. Do i think that both females in those situations should've died, probably not, but within this universe you never really know. I can dig where you're coming from though.

- Bucky became a background character in a way I didn't think would happen. They did so much to connect he and Cap and make him one of Caps' motivations but in the end he just because a ride along guy. It was a weird switch, where Buck was one of the main anchors for Steve in the past that became Peggy and we not really trippin off of Buck anymore. I also agree that he had a vibranium arm and didn't use it.

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203. "the part that's still in my mind weeks later"
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The whole last fight scene was overwhelmingly good, but the part that still gets me is right before the fight. It's the shot of Captain America by himself, with his broken shield, limping right toward Thanos and his entire army. It was like looking at a painting. The background was perfect. It perfectly captures what Captain America is all about.

And if you're seeing it the first time, you honestly might think that this is his last stand and how his exit from the MCU.

What an excellent film.

  

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204. "YES "
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Epic shot. Pardon the overuse of the word epic, but it fits.

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205. "Mad as fuck I didn't see this opening week. The audience was lame."
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I am reduced to watching reaction videos to hear the crowd get hyped when I did...especially the final battle.

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209. "Now they gonna re-release to knock out Avatar"
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If you let Hulk beat ass like he was supposed to, Avatar would be in the rear view.

bwood, any idea on what to expect? I'm reluctant to spend any more money just to see some bullshit and I can't imagine it's going to alter the outcome of anything that we did see...

  

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210. "RE: Now they gonna re-release to knock out Avatar"
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They already said nothing was added to the film. Only after credits scene and possibly Stan Lee tribute or something.

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211. "They fucked up the buzz BADLY post-release. "
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By yapping their gums and offering up all these corny
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