First episode is up for streaming I'm not sure if yesterday or next week is the official release date
Good to have this show back. And it took me 3 seasons to really come to accept these people live in a universe where every third line is a pop culture reference.
1. "I had no idea what I was missing, I didn't even know who was in it" In response to Reply # 0
will have to try to catch up by midseason or something, I heard the showrunner on bomani's podcast and was like "wait, this is what the show is about?"
3. "or a horribly overwrought analogy" In response to Reply # 0 Mon Mar-18-19 08:21 PM by 3xKrazy
> And it took me 3 seasons to >really come to accept these people live in a universe where >every third line is a pop culture reference.
I finally caught up to this show last month and while it's entertaining...the writing really frustrates me at times.
Axe's wife is the worst. I'm glad she was phased out last season for the most part.
Dr. Wendy isn't nearly as bad as axe's wife but she isn't good either. Her supposed value to the firm (and other competing firms) is really farcical, her observations tend to be fairly obvious and often times her appearances ruin some really good momentum within an episode.
but yeah, it's entertaining overall and I love the interactions with the DA office so I'm here for season 4 but will probably complain a lot haha.
4. "lol i pretty much disagree with everything you said, except Lara" In response to Reply # 3
Lara was awful. They didn't know who to write her. First they tried to throw her out there as this working class down ass chick turned rich (we know this because she reminded us of her roots every other line), then they settled her into the nagging wife. now it seems they just sent her away. his kids didn't serve much purpose either beyond letting us know he has kids.
speaking of Kids, Chuck and Wendy's kids seem to have just vanished LOL
5. "well i didnt really say much aside from lara" In response to Reply # 4 Wed Mar-20-19 08:55 AM by 3xKrazy
what specifically did you disagree with?
You've noticed the never ending pop culture references (and awkward celeb cameos) so surely you've noticed the constant analogies. Do you appreciate this aspect of the writing?
And then there's Dr. Wendy...ugh.
>Lara was awful. They didn't know who to write her. First they >tried to throw her out there as this working class down ass >chick turned rich (we know this because she reminded us of her >roots every other line)
yes, awful
> then they settled her into the >nagging wife. now it seems they just sent her away. his kids >didn't serve much purpose either beyond letting us know he has >kids.
there was also the brief intro of her as the psycho mom when she threw a tantrum cause her kid wandered into Dr. Wendy's office for some candy and a deeply invasive psychotherapy session.
and then they brought lara back because axe needed her expert street savvy advice on who to give bonuses to at the firm...lolz.
6. "For one, I'm a big fan of Wendy" In response to Reply # 5
I love her cross between concerned doc, and everyone's string puller.
The show is over the top on many levels, and the references/analogies are part of this universe. I can see how it can come off grating but I enjoy it. The pop culture references did bug me the first couple seasons but I've accepted it.
>there was also the brief intro of her as the psycho mom when >she threw a tantrum cause her kid wandered into Dr. Wendy's >office for some candy and a deeply invasive psychotherapy >session. > >and then they brought lara back because axe needed her expert >street savvy advice on who to give bonuses to at the >firm...lolz.
Yeah, they were never able to sell us on why she was this kick ass women who was so amazing that a guy as shady as Axe never even lied to her (except that one time).
I think my favorite Lara scene was after that Lady Axe set her up with for a business meeting was patronizing to her, and she complained to Axe "She treated me like I was just the wife" and Axe had to break it down for her.
7. "RE: For one, I'm a big fan of Wendy" In response to Reply # 6 Sun Mar-24-19 11:30 AM by 3xKrazy
>I love her cross between concerned doc, and everyone's string >puller.
She's had too many cringeworthy scenes IMO. Seducing Mafee, having a 5 min convo with that astronaut and determining that she's not fit for space cause she's never been in a relationship before, being paid however much to hold that little dude's hand at the poker tourney and then him taking a break mid-hand to get her advice, etc. I just feel like they try so hard with her cause the show is lacking in the female lead dept.
>I think my favorite Lara scene was after that Lady Axe set her >up with for a business meeting was patronizing to her, and she >complained to Axe "She treated me like I was just the wife" >and Axe had to break it down for her.
yeah that was fun and i feel like her screen time was severely cut back after that scene. that seemed like the moment the writers conceded 'ok this chick sucks lets move on'.
the whole thing with the hangover IV for $1000/pop annoyed me as well since that shit has been available for years now and it costs like $150. I'm probably being way too analytical with this show and need to accept it for what it is but it just comes off as lazy sometimes.
13. "Bruh, I mushed my TV when he said that. " In response to Reply # 12
Then, when the fine ass Asian lady told Wendy that Chuck's issues were deep, I thought that there relationship is gonna wrap.
It also made me think about why Wendy stays so close to Axe. Chuck's issues probably make her look at Axe in a totally different way and may even contribute to some underlying attraction she has towards his alpha-maleness.
15. "Can yall explain this Eureka scheme?" In response to Reply # 0
So he buys up a ton of shares in the company (25% i think) then plants the spy in there to record the whole money skimming scandal which hurts the company...why would he want that? Just to show ol' girl the things he's capable of? He kept saying it made them money somehow...how would that make them money?
Or was Eureka a competitor of the company they are invested in?
16. "i thought he planted "Gumby" in her rival company " In response to Reply # 15
They had the market on lock partly because of their shady payroll practices. Once they got exposed it allowed her company to jump to the front of the line, but it was worth less for her because Axe bought a piece.
What I was unclear on was where Taylor fits in because she seemed pissed to know that hurting Taylor was his real motivation
17. "this makes sense..." In response to Reply # 16
i don't get why the lady would care about Taylor or maybe she wasn't but just figured out that Axe would only want to partner to make himself stronger against Taylor.
Speaking of Taylor, I don't see what leverage she has/had to make demands to Malkovic. Sure she played that well and he clearly figured it out and maybe he respects taht about her but even still...how does this give her any sorta bargaining power against him? She still needs him more than he needs her.
19. "I don't think 'SheEO' (c) Spiros, cares about Taylor either way" In response to Reply # 17 Fri Mar-29-19 04:20 PM by Mynoriti
I just got the sense that she didn't like Axe hiding his motivation, partly because it was more about a personal vendetta vs just making money, plus she probably doesn't want to be in the middle of their beef, especially with Grigor on team Taylor. Plus she let Axe fuck.
28. "biggest problem is it's the same scene over and over" In response to Reply # 21
characters are interacting, Spiros interjects with something awkward and overconfident. Everyone makes a screwface at him or tells him to fuck off. He acts surprised/slightly hurt and exits
27. "it's a fine line. ep4 was better " In response to Reply # 24
I dont mind them using references and the occasional goofy side story as long as they dont lean on it *too* much. I mentioned before that the pop culture drops are more of a quirk than a crutch, but they've leaned too hard on the latter this season (see Wags singing Chaka Khan). I dont want this show going full Family Guy.
That said, I felt like ep4 is steering back in the right direction.
29. "Maybe the lightheartedness is symbolic of the air Bobby gets to breathe...." In response to Reply # 27
>I dont mind them using references and the occasional goofy >side story as long as they dont lean on it *too* much. I >mentioned before that the pop culture drops are more of a >quirk than a crutch, but they've leaned too hard on the latter >this season (see Wags singing Chaka Khan). I dont want this >show going full Family Guy. > >That said, I felt like ep4 is steering back in the right >direction.
now that he's not under constant attack from Chuck. With those legal issues always looming overhead, dude and his entire crew were tense. So, they can breathe a little bit. Hence, the humorous tone coming from Ax Cap's folks.
30. "it could also be getting Showtimed as usual" In response to Reply # 29
Of all the Showtime series I've watched (Homeland, Shameless, Californication, House of Lies, Billions) They all started off strong, the first two seasons were always quality Then they start a gradual decline where by seasons 5 and 6 they become unwatchable recycled plots, lazy writing, cartoon villains, dragging story arcs Next thing you know it's Season 8 I'm sticking with Billions this season but it's feeling like Neil going to the hotel to kill Waingro (see what I did there?)
37. "Wags was but it seemed darker..." In response to Reply # 33
Now, they’re all appearing to be freer.
I do agree with 3x on the downfall of those other series. Let’s get through this one and see what happens. There could be a ton of validity in his assessment which then causes us all to mean mug the tv.
31. "most cringeworthy moment of the series. hands down." In response to Reply # 27
> (see Wags singing Chaka Khan). I dont want this >show going full Family Guy. > >That said, I felt like ep4 is steering back in the right >direction.
im liking this season better simply because the pace is better as mentioned in my other post. there's less starting and stopping which allows me to more quickly get over the corny one-liners.
He's all kinds of wrong for coming clean like that after they discussed it. Now Wendy and the kids (they exist again) have to eat it.
Grigor thing was abrupt and anticlimactic. Like an early season reboot. Axe vs Taylor (especially without Grigor) just isnt as compelling as Axe vs Chuck.
Right now I'm more interested in Chuck vs Jock/Brian/Sacker
38. "Yeah. Why Sacker though?" In response to Reply # 34
>Right now I'm more interested in Chuck vs Jock/Brian/Sacker > >He should be most scared of Sacker
And I'm still wondering how did their relationship become so tainted. Chuck and Sacker were good together. She's ambitions though and seems to always want to be on the side that she believes is winning. Cutthroat and is angling hard for her own influence and power to be increased. She's just like Chuck. The perfectly cloned protege if you will.
39. "Chuck fucked up when he put Sacker's dad in harm's way " In response to Reply # 38
Pretty much the same way he just did Wendy. He asked Sacker if he could hit up her dad for dirt on Jock. Sacker said absolutely not, and Chuck went ahead and did it anyway. I can't remember exactly what she told him. She kept her cool but said something like remember what you're teaching me.
Even if we extract the thing with her daddy she told Chuck when.she was standing behind jock you recognized I was a political animal. Chuck knows hed have made the same move in her shoes.
>And I'm still wondering how did their relationship become so >tainted. Chuck and Sacker were good together. She's ambitions >though and seems to always want to be on the side that she >believes is winning. Cutthroat and is angling hard for her own >influence and power to be increased. She's just like Chuck. >The perfectly cloned protege if you will. >
40. "I'd always wanted to believe that they'd gotten past that w/o..." In response to Reply # 39
>RE: Chuck fucked up when he put Sacker's dad in harm's way >Pretty much the same way he just did Wendy. He asked Sacker >if he could hit up her dad for dirt on Jock. Sacker said >absolutely not, and Chuck went ahead and did it anyway. I >can't remember exactly what she told him. She kept her cool >but said something like remember what you're teaching me.
Sacker being spiteful or vengeful as a result of it.
Chuck is def a selfish dude who's hellbent on winning no matter what.
Wendy fostered it into him and then wanted him to just shut it off when it was convenient for her.
41. "I don't think Sacker was being vengeful tho" In response to Reply # 40 Wed Apr-10-19 04:58 PM by Mynoriti
Or that she turned on Chuck out of spite. I think she was being pragmatic. It's just that Chuck's move with her dad stripped her of any hesitation to join what she felt was the winning side.
And Chuck doesn't deserve loyalty from ANYONE. He has a history of serving people up rather than take an L. Aside from ignoring Sacker's wishes, he straight up sacrificed Ira to get at Axe. Aside from publicly humiliating Wendy now, he put her whole career at risk when he snooped through her laptop to get at Axe. There are surely a few more examples i'm missing.
It's an interesting angle you mentioned about Wendy pushing him to win at all costs, but not realizing what that means. Also the fact that Axe has shown more loyalty to Wendy in that sense than Chuck has.
She knows exactly which buttons to push to get him firing on all cylinders and to where the game slows down for him. In other words, she helps him get him into the zone.
43. "Wendy will at most stay at her parents for a while but she wont leave hi..." In response to Reply # 42
not on some dutiful political wife steez but more the power dynamic she's always worn the pants in the marriage, so after she calms down she'll come back with a vengeance and regulate on Chuck possibly by having him cut all ties with dad (which is doomed to fail but Chuck will play along) same thing with Grigor, he's not going quietly into the night sipping vodka and eating caviar
48. "Sacker's flip makes perfect sense to me." In response to Reply # 46
I'm sure she'd come to realize Chuck never cared about having to prosecute that innocent inmate, as much he was just salty about Jock picking his cases for him. He used Sacker's sense of justice to bring her on board in his plot to bring down Jock
plus she's always been a climber, and has zero reason to believe chuck wouldn't serve her up too if it came down to it.
51. "shot out to Lara " In response to Reply # 0 Tue Apr-23-19 04:03 PM by Mynoriti
Probably her only screen time this season so make sure to remind us shes a street smart neighborhood girl
On some meta shit it was Lara saying good bye to the viewers. I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU GUYS DIDN'T LIKE MY CHARACTER. MAYBE YOU JUST CANT HANDLE A DOWN SCRAPPY WORKING CLASS GIRL
53. "Next time we see Lara she'll be running and at-risk youth program" In response to Reply # 52
it will literally be called Street Smarts. It helps young tough working class girls (she can relate) recognize their potential. She'll be asking axe to donate, reminding him once again why this cause is so important to her. and he'll put up the money, but mostly because it helps with some complicated scheme he's running.
Still I'm probably more team Chuck than Axe since Axe managed to out aint-shit Chuck this season. Love how dude thought him and Rebecca were even. Also why would you depend on Rudy of all people to pull off your plan?
The weakest season for sure, but I still enjoy the hell out of this show. I'm glad they realigned the rivalry back where it's supposed to be. I don't even care about the how.
My favorite small moment of this episode was Jock telling Chuck "You know what happens when a lumberjack yells timber and doesn't get out of the way?" Chuck shaking his head to pretend he doesn't know the answer, and Jock smugly saying "he gets crushed by a tree" LOL
62. "second half of the season was better but" In response to Reply # 61
you clearly were never gonna like it. I'm not sure why you were watching. most of my hate watches are shows i used to like that fell off but i was vested. (Shameless comes to mind). I Do hate watch The Mayans but that's mainly because I miss hate watching the later seasons of SOA lol
I think they did but they won't address it until a flasback in epsidoe 5.
>But this is Showtime
Yeah, Showtime will run this long after Lewis and Giamiatti dip out. They'll happily make this about Ben Kim (turned evil) vs Mafee in season 12 if they wanna keep going.
>Is this the last we see of Connerty? (hope so)
We have to at least get a prison visit from either Chuck, or Axe trying to use him against Chuck.
>Does Sacker parlay her double cross into a SDNY or US attorney >spot then go after Chuck?
Yeah, i don't know her play. She has political aspirations so she may go another route.
>Will Dollar Bill finally toss Spyros off the nearest bridge?
I more see Dollar Bill and Spyros in a situation where they accidentally killed someone and are trying to get rid of the body.
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