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bwood
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"Birds of Prey (Cathy Yan, 2020)"


  

          

Full title is Birds of Prey (and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn)

Here's a production teaser:
https://youtu.be/ptLZlrE8MrQ

Line-up is:
Harley Quinn
Mary Elizabeth Winstead as Huntress
Jurnee Smollett-Bell as Black Canary

And Ewan McGregor as Black Mask.

Rumored to be featuring Batgirl to launch her solo film.

Hope this shit is good. Looks like they took a lot of the face tattoos off of Harley.

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This is also rumored to launch a Harley Quinn trilogy.
Jan 28th 2019
1
Not sure if you've been reading the new books
Jan 28th 2019
2
Brief teaser in front of It Chapter Two and a poster
Sep 17th 2019
3
sure, why not
Sep 19th 2019
4
If you've ever wondered if there's such a thing as hardcore BOP fans...
Sep 19th 2019
5
I don't think it's not all that surprising.
Sep 19th 2019
6
      There's Harley Quinn fatigue already?
Sep 19th 2019
7
      Oh, absolutely.
Sep 19th 2019
8
      It's not just the movies. She's all over the comics now too.
Sep 19th 2019
10
      Oh, I collected the OG 90's title back when Chuck Dixon first created it...
Sep 19th 2019
9
Theyre really sticking with that dumb full title
Sep 21st 2019
11
Trailer niggas
Oct 01st 2019
12
saw it earlier today
Oct 01st 2019
13
      It wasn't just the look, it was also because it's Leto.
Oct 01st 2019
14
           well, I suppose you can't argue that
Oct 02nd 2019
15
           although I will say
Oct 02nd 2019
16
                Right, ultimately good reviews and response will wash away backlash.
Oct 02nd 2019
17
Trailer #2...
Jan 09th 2020
18
Not really my bag but that's a great looking trailer
Jan 09th 2020
19
looks like a better guy ritchie movie than a guy ritchie movie.
Jan 09th 2020
20
This has all the markings
Jan 19th 2020
22
      RE: This has all the markings
Jan 19th 2020
23
      I'm a BOP fan and it looks fun to me.
Jan 20th 2020
24
           RE: I'm a BOP fan and it looks fun to me.
Feb 07th 2020
26
I might go see this
Jan 10th 2020
21
It's decent. Tedious in places. My full review.
Feb 05th 2020
25
this got really good after the first 20 minutes
Feb 09th 2020
27

bwood
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1. "This is also rumored to launch a Harley Quinn trilogy."
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With Gotham City Sirens next.

Also this will have Cassandra Cain, Chris Messina as Victor Zsasz, and Rosie Perez as Renee Montoya.

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2. "Not sure if you've been reading the new books"
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They've set Harley up as one of the single most important characters in the entire DC universe.

I was just reading heroes in crisis, and they have Harley taking a batarang off of batman in a one on one hand to hand situation. That's fucking preposterous.

I get it, the vision is set, you gotta keep Margo robbie happy, and diminish the joker angle as much as possible. Its ridiculous, but I get it.

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bwood
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3. "Brief teaser in front of It Chapter Two and a poster"
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Poster: https://twitter.com/birdsofpreywb/status/1173990046237519874?s=19

Teaser in theaters only.

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4. "sure, why not"
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Margot Robbie was the only other redeeming quality of Suicide Squad (next to Will), so sure, I'll go for it.

They won't do this, but it would be fun if they went Rob Zombie and made Harley Quinn batshit crazy like Baby Firefly in the Devil's Rejects. Let's see a totally unhinged Harley.

  

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5. "If you've ever wondered if there's such a thing as hardcore BOP fans..."
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...just know they exist and that they're furious.

From black Black Canary to Harley being in focus to Huntress having a slightly different origin. Furious.

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6. "I don't think it's not all that surprising."
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Thu Sep-19-19 11:58 AM by dagu

  

          

The group and particularly Oracle's (Barbara Gordon) role in it was pretty groundbreaking from what I understand. I was reading the title when Gail Simone was writing it and it was consistently one of my favorites from month to month. That was before DC blew the whole universe up and undid Oracle's paralysis and kind of changed the entire premise of the group.

I also completely understand the Harley Quinn fatigue. It looks like they're trying to make her the Wolverine of the DCEU.

A lot of people are also complaining about Ewan's Black Mask design too.

And the poster is terrible.

The only DCEU movies I've seen are Man of Steel and Wonder Woman. A more faithful Birds of Prey would have been on my must watch list but this...not. With Suicide Squad 2 and a solo movie coming this absolutely didn't need to be a star vehicle for Harley Quinn/Margot Robbie.

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7. "There's Harley Quinn fatigue already? "
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LOL she's only been in one movie. Damn that didn't last long.

  

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8. "Oh, absolutely."
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It doesn't seem like there's any middle ground (like in most things). Fans are either sick of her or want her to lead the Justice League, Avengers and the Rescue Rangers.

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10. "It's not just the movies. She's all over the comics now too."
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She's incredibly popular right now, much to the chagrin of... I'm gonna say old-schoolers.

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9. "Oh, I collected the OG 90's title back when Chuck Dixon first created it..."
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So I identify with its fans. But a lot of them are assuming it to be a much more precious property than it actually is.

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11. "Theyre really sticking with that dumb full title"
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Seems like Margot Robbie got a little too full of herself in regards to the character. Everything about this screams corny star was given too much control

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12. "Trailer niggas"
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https://twitter.com/birdsofpreywb/status/1179064087566618624?s=09

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13. "saw it earlier today"
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I'll watch it. It looks better than Suicide Squad, which isn't saying much. Margot Robbie and Will Smith were the only redeeming qualities of that movie, and honestly Will was acting for a different movie. Let Robbie go wild in this one and I can see an entertaining ride at the very least.

And I'm going to be that guy and say it: I hope Jared Leto's Joker is in it. I feel like he got done dirty the last time around. People were ready to hate on him just based on his look. When the movie came out, he didn't stand a chance. AND HE WAS ONLY IN THE MOVIE FOR LIKE TWO MINUTES.

I give him credit for going way, way away from Heath Ledger and Nicholson. He's not like them. He's not the Joker from the comics. He did something completely different, and most of it was left on the cutting room floor. I thought he had potential if you didn't just go into it expecting a certain kind of Joker.

I can point at plenty of reasons to hate that movie. Leto wasn't in the movie enough to be one of those reasons.

  

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14. "It wasn't just the look, it was also because it's Leto."
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>People were ready to hate on him just based on his
>look. When the movie came out, he didn't stand a chance. AND
>HE WAS ONLY IN THE MOVIE FOR LIKE TWO MINUTES.

Leto's just such an insufferable method asshole. People were mad at the casting before they even *saw* the picture, because it was him.

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15. "well, I suppose you can't argue that"
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16. "although I will say"
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This isn't really disagreement, but I do remember backlash against Heath Ledger pre-Dark Knight, and while I don't remember this, I saw this WhatCulture Youtube thing claiming that there had been backlash against Nicholson before the Tim Burton Batman.

In fact, although people are taking issue with the movie, lol it seems like Phoenix is the first Joker to not get pre-hated on since Caesar Romero...at least I hadn't read any trolling against him specifically.

I guess in Leto's case, the very small screen time he had didn't change most people's minds.

  

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17. "Right, ultimately good reviews and response will wash away backlash."
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But ultimately there wasn't much of him in the movie, and what we saw matched the "oooh, look how Edgy this is!" tone that bogged down much of Suicide Squad at the end of the day, so folks were happy to double down on their pre-viewing skepticism.

Pretty hilarious that the current Joker is getting maybe the worst backlash of all, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the actor itself.

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18. "Trailer #2..."
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https://youtu.be/x3HbbzHK5Mc

  

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19. "Not really my bag but that's a great looking trailer "
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Now remember, Suicide Squad also had a great trailer

I'm not a fan of any of this shit but I do hope they make a good/great film just as a further fuck you to Suicide Squad, David Ayer and the WB flunkies who fucked the initial run of their films into a cocked hat.

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20. "looks like a better guy ritchie movie than a guy ritchie movie."
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22. "This has all the markings "
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of being a horrible movie.

My condolences and prayers to Birds of Prey comics fans.

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23. "RE: This has all the markings "
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>My condolences and prayers to Birds of Prey comics fans.

I die a little inside every time the trailer comes on.

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24. "I'm a BOP fan and it looks fun to me."
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So, I dunno.

Only BOP fan bitching I see is the 'not like the comics!' kind, with a little bit of, 'Why is Harley?'.

Other than those guys, most fans I've encountered are cautiously enthusiastic about what they've seen.

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26. "RE: I'm a BOP fan and it looks fun to me."
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>So, I dunno.
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>Only BOP fan bitching I see is the 'not like the comics!'
>kind, with a little bit of, 'Why is Harley?'.
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>Other than those guys, most fans I've encountered are
>cautiously enthusiastic about what they've seen.

Nobody asked for some damn cross-sectional analytics. Don’t care.

  

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21. "I might go see this"
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Like most I hated Suicide Squad.

But I think the consensus was that Margot Robbie was the one "redeeming" quality of the movie, despite, well, an accent that comes and goes.

If they gave her a whole movie to just take it to an 11, that might at least be amusing. Plus it looks like they got McGregor chewing up the furniture. It could be a fun 90 mins "theme park."

  

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25. "It's decent. Tedious in places. My full review."
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DC is on the right track back. WB has seriously fumbled out the gate with its shared universe. I still can’t get over how much of a shrug Justice League is. With, WB willing to go to places that Disney won’t with its Marvel properties, Birds of Prey (and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn) is another (flawed) step in the right direction. And from here on out, I’ll strictly be referring to this movie as Birds of Prey.

Following the events of Suicide Squad, Harley Quinn (Margot Robbie) is now on her own after the Joker throws her literally to the curb. Before thinking it through, she publicly declares her and the Joker are done. With it being open season on her, Harley must team-up with police detective Renee Montoya (Rosie Perez), Huntress (Mary Elizabeth Winstead), and the Black Canary (Jurnee Smollett-Bell) to save young pickpocket Cassandra Cain (Ella Jay Basco) from the crime lord Black Mask (Ewan McGregor).

Now let’s get this out of the way. Yes, this is a sequel to Suicide Squad, with the events of that film heavily referenced, and clips from it shown in this film. And yes, Birds of Prey does curb the character introductions from that movie. The big difference here is that it works and doesn’t come off cheesy and sloppy. However, this film stands on its own two feet and if you come into this blind, you would not be lost. And that’s by design as DC is making it clear that they’re doing standalone films. For the time being anyway. Right the ship first then gather everyone together again. It truly says something when this film and Shazam! does more world-building than films that your main heroes are in.

Look, portrayal aside, I’m glad they gave Harley her own movie away from the Joker. No offense to Jared Leto, but I wasn’t feeling gangsta Joker. Plus, Harley’s abusive relationship is probably not one you’d want to showcase and immortalize in a movie. But then, this where the problems come in.

Look, I love Harley as a character and Margot was born to play her (you can tell she loves playing the character and is having a total blast), but with that having her be front and center, she gets to be a bit much after the first two acts.

And that’s primarily the movie’s biggest fault is the script. Christina Hodgson can’t pace this thing to save her life. It tries to be clever playing with time and breaking the fourth wall in a very Tarantino/Guy Ritchie style that really doesn’t work. So while you get big bursts of energetic scenes, that momentum is killed by hopping back in time to more exposition. For a film called Birds of Prey, they don’t really get together until the very last bits of the third act. Seeing them all together is honestly the best part of this film besides having Ewan going H.A.M. as DC’s best villain so far. And I get that this is a feminist superhero film, but the movie lays it on thick that every guy in this movie sucks. Like seriously, the men in this movie are constantly beating the women down in different ways from start to finish whether its attempted date rape, sexual humiliation, or a betrayal. Seriously, Christina, we get it.

Really what makes the film soar is the talented cast who all brought their A-game to the proceedings. Jurnee was the stand out to me as Dinah Lance aka the Black Canary. I really can’t wait to see more of her as this version of Dinah with her hopefully teaming with Olivier Queen aka the Green Arrow, in addition to further Birds of Prey adventures. The same goes for Mary Elizabeth as Huntress.

The film’s secret MVP is Ewan McGregor as Roman Sionis aka the Black Mask. Black Mask is a notable Batman villain and Ewan is so good here that I wish he was saved for a Batman movie. Ewan plays him so menacingly and so unpredictably that you don’t know what’s gonna happen next. Black Mask is a bipolar narcissist as his mood swings happen at any moment with violent outbursts that get more extreme and brutal as the film moves along.

Director Cathy Yan is extremely talented. I love her use of zooms in this film as well as a couple of slick POV shots. The way she shoots the action is impeccable too. Seriously a lot of these action scenes pop in ways that haven’t before in DC films. Part of that is the R-rating, which certainly helps, and the other is Cathy knows when to get out of the way and shoot the action choreography in great ways so that you can see everything. Speaking of the R-rating and Cathy’s direction, this brings a certain danger and grit to Gotham (excluding Joker as that’s its own thing) that these big-budget DC films have been missing since Nolan stepped away.

Look, Birds of Prey works more often than it doesn’t. With a much, much better script this would’ve been a home run for sure. But still having Renee Montoya and Cassandra Cain in a big-budget live-action movie is unexpected. Never in a million years reading these comics would I have thought that these two characters would grace the screen. The same goes for having a potential Birds of Prey franchise.

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27. "this got really good after the first 20 minutes"
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Decent movie. Good choice to make it rated R.
Really awesome fight scenes. I was surprised at that.


>Full title is Birds of Prey (and the Fantabulous Emancipation
>of One Harley Quinn)
>
>Here's a production teaser:
>https://youtu.be/ptLZlrE8MrQ
>
>Line-up is:
>Harley Quinn
>Mary Elizabeth Winstead as Huntress
>Jurnee Smollett-Bell as Black Canary
>
>And Ewan McGregor as Black Mask.
>
>Rumored to be featuring Batgirl to launch her solo film.
>
>Hope this shit is good. Looks like they took a lot of the face
>tattoos off of Harley.

  

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