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bwood
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"Fargo Season 4 (starring Chris Rock!!!)"


  

          

Holy shit!!!

http://ew.com/tv/2018/08/03/chris-rock-fargo-season-4/
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Chris Rock will star in the fourth season of Fargo, which is making some rather dramatic storytelling changes for the next edition — including seemingly ditching Minnesota (oh jeez!).

FX has officially greenlit a new round of the Emmy-winning series and has cast the actor-comedian.

Moreover, the normally ultra-secret show has a released a detailed story description of the long-awaited new season.

Fargo season 4 will shift the start of the action from the rural upper Midwest (the setting of the first three seasons) to Kansas City, Mo., plus go further back in time than ever before (so no, Rock probably won’t have a Minnesota accent).

Here’s the description: “In 1950, at the end of two great American migrations — that of Southern Europeans from countries like Italy, who came to the US at the turn of the last century and settled in northern cities like New York, Chicago — and African Americans who left the south in great numbers to escape Jim Crow and moved to those same cities — you saw a collision of outsiders, all fighting for a piece of the American dream. In Kansas City, Missouri, two criminal syndicates have struck an uneasy peace. One Italian, one African American. Together they control an alternate economy — that of exploitation, graft and drugs. This too is the history of America. To cement their peace, the heads of both families have traded their eldest sons.

Chris Rock plays the head of one family, a man who — in order to prosper — has surrendered his oldest boy to his enemy, and who must in turn raise his son’s enemy as his own. It’s an uneasy peace, but profitable. And then the head of the Kansas City mafia goes into the hospital for routine surgery and dies. And everything changes. It’s a story of immigration and assimilation, and the things we do for money. And as always, a story of basically decent people who are probably in over their heads. You know, Fargo.”

Rock released this rather brief statement: “I’m a fan of Fargo and I can’t wait to work with .”

Rock has won four Emmy awards and has appeared in numerous movies and TV shows including Lethal Weapon 4, Top Five, and Empire, among others.

Fargo season 4 has no other cast or release date yet, though late 2019 or early 2020 seems likely given the timing of this announcement.

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Yeah, here for this.
Aug 03rd 2018
1
he's one of the rare comedians turned actors
Aug 03rd 2018
2
lol this is true.
Aug 03rd 2018
3
Did people think Bokeem was Emmy-worthy before Fargo tho?
Aug 03rd 2018
4
He certainly revitalized Bokeem's career
Aug 04th 2018
5
This aspect
Aug 04th 2018
7
I must admit, I only got 2 or 3 eps into season three.
Aug 04th 2018
6
I enjoyed it, and think it's worth a watch
Aug 04th 2018
8
https://youtu.be/UcPU3mIuUmA
Jan 09th 2020
9
i can def see chris rock fucking the season up.
Jan 09th 2020
10
he could but I think as long as he plays it straight and does not go for...
Jan 10th 2020
11
Glyn Turman!! Surprise Olyphant!!
Jan 10th 2020
12
Daaamn. That looks Season 2 good
Jan 11th 2020
13
      Season 2 was the greatest thing on TV in a long time before or after
Feb 04th 2020
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           Yep. I almost like it more than S1.
Oct 02nd 2020
20
First episode slated to air this Sunday.
Sep 25th 2020
15
first 2
Sep 25th 2020
16
      Sadly enough
Sep 28th 2020
18
I don't see Rock in a series role at allllll
Sep 28th 2020
17
Episode 01 - Welcome To The Alternate Economy
Oct 02nd 2020
19
love ep1 and 2
Oct 03rd 2020
21
      So far
Oct 05th 2020
22
           i keep wondering why they got pete from mickey to play nacho libre
Oct 06th 2020
25
                perfect
Oct 06th 2020
26
ep03 question (spoiler?). so, the swapped kid..
Oct 05th 2020
23
RE: ep03 question (spoiler?). so, the swapped kid..
Oct 05th 2020
24
wow.
Oct 10th 2020
28
Every season they have to recast the whole show
Oct 06th 2020
27
I am having a harder time getting into this season.
Oct 12th 2020
29
chris rock is just flat out miscast and cant act.
Oct 12th 2020
30
it's jarring and so is schwartzman (and I'm a fan of his)
Oct 20th 2020
38
Episode 04 pulled me back in.
Oct 13th 2020
31
This season isn't good yall.
Oct 19th 2020
32
It's not that bad, but not that great either.
Oct 19th 2020
33
Rock threw me off in this episode for the first time
Oct 19th 2020
34
I rolled my eyes a good 5 or 6 times during this episode
Oct 19th 2020
35
      I thought I was going crazy. There is so much Chris Rock acting praise
Oct 19th 2020
36
           Nah, it's not just you
Oct 19th 2020
37

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1. "Yeah, here for this."
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And by reading the plot "teaser," I'm guessing Rock is Bokeem's character's father.

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2. "he's one of the rare comedians turned actors "
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that can't act.

so him anchoring a show is a bold fucking choice.

pulling for him though

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3. "lol this is true."
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even when hes in an interview acting like the joke is spontaneous (despite the minute long setup)...he is terrible at it.

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4. "Did people think Bokeem was Emmy-worthy before Fargo tho?"
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Or Aubrey before Legion?

I believe in Hawley’s casting department and his ability to write/direct actors to the promised land.

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5. "He certainly revitalized Bokeem's career"
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Aubrey was already awesome in Parks & Rec. tho.

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7. "This aspect"
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and the fact season three was very very choppy to say the least doesn't make me all that happy. I'll wait to hear more casting news of course, but I'm quite leary right now. The last two seasons from this Noah Hawley dude (the last two seasons of Fargo and Legion) haven't been all that great.

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6. "I must admit, I only got 2 or 3 eps into season three."
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Should I go back and finish it?

I loved seasons 1 and 2, but somehow 3 never grabbed me. I think I got distracted by Twin Peaks before the story started to come together.

  

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8. "I enjoyed it, and think it's worth a watch"
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but it's def the weakest of the three

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9. "https://youtu.be/UcPU3mIuUmA"
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10. "i can def see chris rock fucking the season up."
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jason schwartzman too with that lil wes anderson blank stare shit.

honestly...for such a highly acclaimed show in this day and age of star powered tv...im surprised they didnt get a higher caliber cast for this season.

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11. "he could but I think as long as he plays it straight and does not go for..."
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any laughs he can pull it off.

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12. "Glyn Turman!! Surprise Olyphant!!"
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That's a great trailer. Rock sounds about his usual (he seems to do steely cool better than he does anything else).

Fargo is a show I've never thought was as great as everyone else. I've never once had an interest in revisiting season 1. Season 2 I mostly enjoyed but wouldn't bother rewatching it. It's also got to be one of the most violent seasons of TV I've ever seen. Season 3 I didn't bother with.

It's well-made, they've assembled largely great casts (aside from the K & P stuntcasting) it's compelling enough. But something is missing for me when compared to the best TV of the last decade. On a surface level its just like those shows but it never gets over the that hump for me.

All that's to say, I'm looking forward to this but my expectations aren't so high that they can't be relatively easily met.

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13. "Daaamn. That looks Season 2 good"
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can't wait

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14. "Season 2 was the greatest thing on TV in a long time before or after"
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20. "Yep. I almost like it more than S1."
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Real tough call.
They nailed everything in S2 from that era.
Bokeem Woodbine steals every scene he's in.
It's actually worth it JUST to watch him.

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15. "First episode slated to air this Sunday."
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"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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16. "first 2"
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18. "Sadly enough"
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I totally missed the Sunday airing because of the Heat/Celts game.

Knowing I can watch this season on Hulu makes me want to wait until the Finals are totally over so that I know my attention will be completely focused on the show on Sundays.

I do wonder how much the delay in airing this season because of COVID-19 will lower the ratings.

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17. "I don't see Rock in a series role at allllll"
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Would love to see Glynn Turman though. I'm conflicted lol

  

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19. "Episode 01 - Welcome To The Alternate Economy"
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The first 24 minutes of this episode was brilliant, and a
clinic on how to introduce new characters.

The story of the families and gangs throughout the years
was an excellent device to get us our main story,
and really set the stage for how high the stakes are.

Actress E'myri Crutchfield as the narrator was great.
Again, using her to explain the story while also showcasing her own,
fantastic.

Obviously, I loved this. I plan on watching the 1st episode again
before I watch the next.

Oh, one of my favorite parts. When Rock and the italian mob
boss were sitting on the bench in the park, before Rock got up
(and this is after he said the line "You realize you're not my boss",
get reaches in his bag of peanuts and takes some. LOVED that.

The Fargo team once again has me ready for this season.

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21. "love ep1 and 2"
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all those little Fargoisms. Some interesting characters too, Doctor Senator, the psycho italian zip brother, that crazy nurse, the little girl.

looking forward to ep03 Sunday

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22. "So far"
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>all those little Fargoisms. Some interesting characters too,
>Doctor Senator, the psycho italian zip brother, that crazy
>nurse, the little girl.
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>looking forward to ep03 Sunday


I can see the Bluto from Popeye looking brother being a bit too one note. I do like the story telling this season, although some of the connections the characters have to one another seem to be a bit forced, but I'll suspend disbelief for the sake of enjoying the show.

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25. "i keep wondering why they got pete from mickey to play nacho libre"
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Bluto works too lol

  

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26. "perfect"
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If it wasn't for COVID they'd be cueing up the Popeye Cinematic Universe w/ a dark take on Bluto with the film BLUTO

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23. "ep03 question (spoiler?). so, the swapped kid.."
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Rock's kid. Is he Mike Milligan (Bokeeem)? Rabbi's name is Milligan. Its 1950 which will put him in his 40s in seasom 2.

I swear Fargo is the only place Schwarzman as a mob boss could possibly work.

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24. "RE: ep03 question (spoiler?). so, the swapped kid.."
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I assume he has to be. I figured that had to be the case as soon as they showed him getting looked after by Rabbi Milligan.

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28. "wow."
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27. "Every season they have to recast the whole show"
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And every time they nail it. Salvatore Esposito is killing me with the faces he makes and his sibling rivalry with Schwartzman is highly entertaining. Hope to see him in more projects.

  

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29. "I am having a harder time getting into this season. "
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It's got a lot of things going for it. Namely:

Jessie Buckley as Oraetta Mayflower
Glynn Turman as Doctor Senator
Timothy Olyphant as Dick "Deafy" Wickware
Ben Whishaw as Rabbi Milligan
E'myri Crutchfield as Ethelrida Pearl Smutny

But I got to say there are two things that I am having a hard time with starting with Chris Rock as a crime boss. I can't tell if its my problem not being able to see him as anything other than the comedian or if he is a bad actor. I am just not buying it.

I also am having a hard time with the children swap. I did research and it really didn't seem like it was a thing back in the day. But more importantly, I just can't see a black family doing it. Noah Hawley is the sh*t but I am not sure he can just write black characters like he does all the other characters he created. Or to put another way the young black girl in the show is my momma's age and I can't help but think this looks nothing like I know of black people from this period. Even the scene with Doctor Senator and the white guy meeting in the dinner, given the time period I don't think that ever would have happened.



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30. "chris rock is just flat out miscast and cant act. "
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after watching the 1st few episodes...its hard not to think about other people who would have fit this role better.

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38. "it's jarring and so is schwartzman (and I'm a fan of his)"
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but at this point im thinking this was all intentional

the show is moderately entertaining otherwise. just enough so to keep me watching.

  

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31. "Episode 04 pulled me back in."
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After the high of Episode 01, I was unimpressed.
In Fargo S1 and 2, something major happened, and the
rest of the season was showcasing the poor decisions of all
the characters involved.

I haven't seen S3.

For the 1st 3 episodes, I was waiting for the event that
would impact all of the characters, and it really hadn't happened yet
until ol' girls robbed Chris Rock.

So NOW, there's something at stake.

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32. "This season isn't good yall. "
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I hate to admit it because I love the setup.

Someone called it “Sitting at Tables and Telling Long, Vaguely Threatening Stories” which was mostly what episode 5 mostly felt like. I felt like there was this big setup after Doctor Senator told off the Italian where I knew if he made that speech, he must have big guns waiting for them outside. But after making such a speech just to get shot in the street like that? WTF he think was going to happen?

Also, I've been uncertain whether it's my fault for not being able to see Chris Rock as anything other than as Chris Rock but with the speech to his wife it's clear to me that he is a bad actor/miscast. When I see people scared of him it's laughable. I fully expected his wife to laugh in his face after his speech from that episode.

I think someone on twitter identified the biggest problem with Chris Rock is that he doesn't come off as "Old Timey". He sounds like a New Yorker from 2020.

This is one of the things I chalk up to a white creator of the show but I think Noah Hawley made a mistake of not casting a Southern actor. Its one of the reasons why I think Jonathan Majors kills in Love Country, he sounds the part.


I guess people from the midwest watch other seasons of Fargo and go, that's not what Midwestern people are like but I have that feeling about the black folks depicted in the show this season.




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33. "It's not that bad, but not that great either."
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It doesn't come close to the first two seasons, but it isn't nearly as bad as the third season, so I suppose it has that going for it.

The only good thing is that this season is more of an ensemble compared to the prior seasons, so shoddy performances from individuals actors/actresses doesn't drag the season down too much.

Some of the character choices are a bit too contrived to me, but I'll let the season rock since there isn't anything else to watch.


Funnily enough, your complaints of Chris Rock ring far more true to me for Schwartzman (sp?).

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34. "Rock threw me off in this episode for the first time"
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when he was checking his wife you got stand-up chris voice. He's been fine so far for me because he's been so low-key.

it might have been you who talked above about Bluto the zip being one note, that's starting to wear a bit thin. It's pretty much him griping about the problem with you americans and giving crazy eyes.

all that said i'm enjoying the season.

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35. "I rolled my eyes a good 5 or 6 times during this episode"
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It's really bad and for a show I don't think is nearly as good as everyone else does in general, I think this is now just bad television. That Chris Rock stunt casting really bit them in the ass. His best scenes were with Turman so it's only going to get worse from here on out. Rock's actually had some ok moments sprinkled throughout but he can't give the performance the show needs. Not even close.

The brother is somehow worse than Chris Rock and undercuts any sense of menace he's supposed to exude because I'm generally bewildered by the fact that no one told him to cut that shit out on set.

Jonathan Schwartzman is flying under the radar as also being terribly cast and terrible due to Rock and whoever is playing his brother but he's bad too.

There aren't characters just an assortment of quirks who vomit out dialogue that wants you to think it is smart, interesting or funny and most of it is neither.


Remember after Tarantino came on the scene and there was a glut of knock-off's that aped his style but got it all wrong? That's what this show is. It so fundamentally misunderstands why the Coen Brothers films work. So you're left w/ dialogue that someone who really likes Coen Brothers movies wrote spoken by characters that someone who really likes Coen Brothers movies created while they do things that they think Coen Brothers characters would do. To show how much of a fan they are they sprinkle in nods to Coen Brothers movies (and even nods to the show itself) that they love so much so you can tell. Unfortunately, they lack almost all of the talent and intelligence of the Coen Brothers.

It's like that meme about wanting to buy something and your mom tells you you already have some knock-off version at home. "Mom I want to watch the Coen Brothers!" "You have Coen Brothers on TV!" Yeah, no we don't.

If Coen Brothers films were more like this show, we wouldn't be talking about the Coen Brothers.


Gonna hop off this train.

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36. "I thought I was going crazy. There is so much Chris Rock acting praise"
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online right now.

I give Schwartz a little more leeway because I think the idea is that he is SUPPOSE to look foolish as the head of the Italian crime family because he is the Jewish kid that was swapped into their family.

Even the bug eye Italian guy I thought might was suppose to be ridiculously over the top.

Chris Rock was okay as long as he was a man of few words. Him trying to carry scenes is just bad.


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It's probably the best acting Chris Rock has done that I can remember but it's still Chris Rock acting so it's still not good. Rock was good in select scenes but he can't do the heavy lifting the part requires and he can't slip into a character. At best it's Chris Rock saying the lines somewhat convincingly, at worst it is Chris Rock saying the lines badly. He can't do the Sandler thing where he can, when he chooses to, convince you he's someone else other than who he is.

You're right, Bug Eyed-talian is very much intentional. It's just a horrible choice and a horrible performance. Like comically, distractingly bad.

Schwartzman acquits himself better than both but that monologue in the jail was awful as written and as performed. He might as well have started it with "Gather around everyone, I will now walk you through the central theme of this season in the most on the nose way possible"

A better actor could have made it seem less like he was reading a book report and created some tension in that scene.

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