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Damn.
Dec 14th 2017
1
SPOILER: a response
Dec 14th 2017
2
      Oh I get it. I just don’t agree with it. MORE SPOILERS
Dec 14th 2017
3
           One more thing to consider
Dec 14th 2017
4
           yeah totally, but he could've done that and still survived back home
Dec 15th 2017
26
           BUT HE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO. It's Star Wars not Skywalker-fest
Dec 16th 2017
53
           if he can project himself onto a planet across the galaxy, i think
Dec 18th 2017
95
           I think it's just too clever to do it any other way.
Dec 15th 2017
31
                y'all want the legend...here you go.
Dec 16th 2017
54
aka Bitch, Get This Weak Ass Laser Sword Out My Damn Face
Dec 15th 2017
5
luke tossed that shit like she brought him a Fubu 05 jersey
Dec 16th 2017
45
You dastardly fiend!
Dec 16th 2017
50
Lmao. They gotta add a subtitle and call it BITCH I'M LUKE DON'T FORGET
Dec 16th 2017
46
Dunno what I loved more, the movie or the Reddit meltdowns
Dec 15th 2017
6
yeah that shit was good
Dec 15th 2017
7
I thought Finn cake off a lot better than in 7
Dec 15th 2017
8
but
Dec 15th 2017
11
      i buy the "more realistic depiction of war" explanation/excuse
Dec 15th 2017
13
      I keep seeing people say this, and it's wrong.
Dec 15th 2017
21
      I guess so
Dec 15th 2017
22
           Re: the first point
Dec 15th 2017
23
      that's pt of the whole point of the movie
Dec 21st 2017
174
Your thoughts on Finn are my thoughts on Poe.
Dec 15th 2017
9
      true
Dec 15th 2017
35
I REALLY enjoyed it as a film. How it’s seen as part of the
Dec 15th 2017
10
I appreciated that **SPOILER***
Dec 15th 2017
12
The more and more I think about it, the more I like it...
Dec 15th 2017
15
      and it also establishes how hard it was to be Palpatine
Dec 15th 2017
17
and i find that incredibly exciting
Dec 15th 2017
14
      Yep. The questions left after TFA seemed a bit disingenuous...
Dec 15th 2017
16
           rey's parentage is the most exciting thing to me
Dec 15th 2017
18
                That was absolutely a huge theme here...
Dec 15th 2017
19
                     dogg, dat broom? big tears of joy
Dec 15th 2017
20
                     The best final shot in a big budget movie in some time.
Dec 15th 2017
24
                     I have a lot of gripes with this movie, but I did not pick that up at al...
Dec 15th 2017
28
                     You didn't notice the broom fly into his hand?
Dec 15th 2017
29
                     Actually I saw more than that
Dec 15th 2017
32
                     100% intentional.
Dec 16th 2017
37
                     it was super clear he force grabbed the broom
Dec 16th 2017
48
                     it should've been the black kid. period. the end
Dec 15th 2017
33
                          Not gonna lie...I had this exact same thought lol
Dec 16th 2017
62
                     RE: That was absolutely a huge theme here...
Dec 18th 2017
104
Really, realy good, (SPOILERS, obviously)
Dec 15th 2017
25
I didn't think the implication was that the rebels are just as bad.
Dec 16th 2017
55
      I think he repped how chickenshit cynnicism is, in general
Dec 17th 2017
76
LOVED it, but botched the fuck out of Snoke. Lame set too imo.
Dec 15th 2017
27
Snoke’s throne room was my favorite scene in the film and one of
Dec 16th 2017
41
A classic martial arts movie battle but with lightsabers? Yes.
Dec 16th 2017
42
The Eye shot
Dec 16th 2017
58
      I must have missed it Re:Poe
Dec 16th 2017
59
           There wasn’t one...they could’ve/should’ve told him
Dec 16th 2017
63
that's y'alls fault for having wack snoke theories
Dec 16th 2017
44
Hahahahaha FACTS!
Dec 16th 2017
64
^^^^
Dec 16th 2017
65
Snoke is Rey’s dad was the worst of a bad lot
Dec 17th 2017
69
That's where I feel a lot of the complaints are coming from
Dec 17th 2017
70
No, we just expect the main dude behind the prime conflict to matter.
Dec 21st 2017
164
yes, because the emperor was such a massively developed character
Dec 21st 2017
166
      And that was always a complaint I had with the OT
Dec 24th 2017
181
           which makes your expectation even more bizarre.
Dec 27th 2017
197
the dumbest one was "Snoke is really Mace Windu"
Dec 29th 2017
205
LMAO at the missy comment
Dec 16th 2017
52
as a non-Star Wars fanatic, that was a dope-ass movie
Dec 15th 2017
30
good as fuck and hella flawed
Dec 15th 2017
34
I don't know how I feel about the film. I don't think I liked it.
Dec 16th 2017
36
      Not just you on these parts
Dec 18th 2017
90
      Boba Fett v2.0, basically.
Dec 29th 2017
207
I want to bring up things that I loved:
Dec 16th 2017
38
I agree with all this minus parts of 1-2
Dec 16th 2017
39
Yep. I’m definitely definding that casino sequence.
Dec 16th 2017
40
Ya the creatures I'm good with plus it had a prequels feel to it
Dec 16th 2017
43
rian made the right choices. This isn't the OG trilogy
Dec 16th 2017
49
Yeah, I still disagree on some of these
Dec 20th 2017
156
      who said the resistance is "helping" the real enemy?
Dec 20th 2017
158
           RE: who said the resistance is "helping" the real enemy?
Dec 20th 2017
160
                I think that's a sort of narrow interpretation
Dec 20th 2017
161
                     Star Wars is really bad at doing shades of grey
Dec 22nd 2017
179
TROLLING FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE
Dec 16th 2017
47
it's interesting that the movie does to Star Wars what Ren wants to do
Dec 16th 2017
51
      I also like how there was SW critique/commentary built into the movie
Dec 16th 2017
56
           yuuup.
Dec 16th 2017
57
Luke and Just for Mens?
Dec 16th 2017
60
He was gray on the island, projection wasn’t gray-haired
Dec 16th 2017
66
Exactly only Rey and Chewie know what he look like
Dec 17th 2017
67
it was on the island too though
Dec 18th 2017
97
I think he wanted to look how Kylo Ren remembered him...
Dec 18th 2017
86
The Throne Room
Dec 16th 2017
61
And the cinematography
Dec 17th 2017
68
The genius of this movie is that it accomplishes TWO goals at once:
Dec 17th 2017
71
cute explanations. still a shite film.
Dec 17th 2017
73
^^^^^^^^
Dec 29th 2017
206
RE: The genius of this movie is that it accomplishes TWO goals at once:
Dec 17th 2017
74
Did they show Benicio die?
Dec 17th 2017
77
      Don't remember seeing him die either
Dec 18th 2017
92
Can someone explain
Dec 17th 2017
72
After all was revealed...
Dec 17th 2017
78
luke saw himself in his cave too
Dec 18th 2017
98
JarJar vs Benny the bull: worse Star Wars character?
Dec 17th 2017
75
Saw it and really liked it
Dec 18th 2017
79
it's fairly canon
Dec 18th 2017
81
https://i.stack.imgur.com/jA0H0.jpg
Dec 18th 2017
83
RE: Saw it and really liked it
Dec 18th 2017
88
That was a really long movie and it was kind of boring
Dec 18th 2017
80
*shrug8 (re: snoke theory)
Dec 18th 2017
82
exactly: RE palapatine
Dec 18th 2017
101
RE: That was a really long movie and it was kind of boring
Dec 18th 2017
85
      I am not disregarding the third version of that event
Dec 18th 2017
93
like this even better the second time
Dec 18th 2017
84
It had its flaws, but it did what it needed to do to keep Star Wars aliv...
Dec 18th 2017
87
This is very important
Dec 18th 2017
89
Yep to all of this...
Dec 18th 2017
91
Liked it but Kylo Driver is 1000000000000x better w/ the mask on
Dec 18th 2017
94
The Leai flying back to the ship didn’t bother me
Dec 18th 2017
96
When Carrie Fisher died they said they weren't making changes
Dec 18th 2017
99
Rey did take those Jedi books with her, thanks for clearing that up
Dec 18th 2017
102
      Yep, which gives double meaning to Yoda's line about there being
Dec 18th 2017
103
that REALLY annoyed me. I groaned out loud, actually.
Dec 29th 2017
208
a few too many corny jokes but otherwise, very good
Dec 18th 2017
100
This is a given.
Dec 18th 2017
105
RE: This is a given.
Dec 18th 2017
106
      I went to the imax at 11:30am on saturday
Dec 18th 2017
107
the jokes felt very Disney-Marvelized
Dec 26th 2017
194
Snoke and Phasma
Dec 18th 2017
108
Yeah im okay with those 2 dying
Dec 18th 2017
109
Phasma was a cool suit and nothing else, though
Dec 18th 2017
112
      nope, she showed she was bout it bout it
Dec 18th 2017
117
           Ok.
Dec 19th 2017
119
                RE: Ok.
Dec 19th 2017
137
                     I've never in my life understood the boba fett fetisization
Dec 20th 2017
142
                          RE: I've never in my life understood the boba fett fetisization
Dec 21st 2017
177
This one's strictly for hardcore fans.
Dec 18th 2017
110
I don't think you even saw this movie
Dec 18th 2017
111
just got back from it, actually
Dec 18th 2017
113
      sure buddy
Dec 18th 2017
114
           Are you saying I didn't see it because I don't agree with you?
Dec 18th 2017
115
                your criticism reads like you heard about it but didn't see it yourself
Dec 18th 2017
116
                     Ah ok, gotcha.
Dec 19th 2017
118
this is one of the greatest scenes in the franchise...
Dec 19th 2017
127
      Keep an eye out for the slow choreography next time
Dec 24th 2017
189
"No way Disney lets a character named 'Ackbar' do the suicide bombing"
Dec 19th 2017
120
ya know what? You're right. Damn.
Dec 19th 2017
121
^^^focused
Dec 19th 2017
122
dude that voiced Admiral Ackbar died
Dec 19th 2017
123
here's the CRAZY thing about what you said...
Dec 19th 2017
138
Petition to strike Last Jedi from canon
Dec 19th 2017
124
RE: Petition to strike Last Jedi from canon
Dec 19th 2017
125
In the next one, I hope Chewbacca dies on a planet call Reddit
Dec 19th 2017
126
that shit is so absurd
Dec 19th 2017
128
      You got a female lead
Dec 19th 2017
129
           I know who would sign it
Dec 19th 2017
130
                Most def
Dec 19th 2017
131
                I'm saying though
Dec 19th 2017
133
                They gonna rock "Make Star Wars Great Again" hats
Dec 19th 2017
134
                right, I thought apocalypse was trash...but I didn't write a petition
Dec 19th 2017
136
                Wait. these people exist?
Dec 20th 2017
152
                     They exist. Definitely more rare, but there are people who are George
Dec 20th 2017
153
                     but the ones that do exist and feel that strongly about it
Dec 24th 2017
183
too long, but very enjoyable.
Dec 19th 2017
132
Dope Rian interview
Dec 19th 2017
135
Lotta minor things bugged me, but for the most part I really enjoyed it
Dec 19th 2017
139
Meh...TFA lowered the bar
Dec 19th 2017
140
they did explain Solo to Kylo in TFA.
Dec 20th 2017
141
lol at "force texting"
Dec 20th 2017
143
      LOOL
Dec 20th 2017
144
There are several things that contributed to him going darkside...
Dec 20th 2017
145
      oh that's some wild shit
Dec 20th 2017
148
      He was 23 when he found out about Vader
Dec 20th 2017
151
      Thanks. A few things/questions
Dec 20th 2017
157
           The main thing with most of your points is the fact that this is 30
Dec 20th 2017
159
Josh Topolski presents the most idiotic views, all in one podcast
Dec 20th 2017
146
they're so bad that you watched and shared
Dec 20th 2017
147
      To be fair TO ME
Dec 20th 2017
149
           I have no idea what this is a refutation of.
Dec 20th 2017
150
                Space
Dec 20th 2017
154
                     lol
Dec 20th 2017
155
                     lulz
Dec 21st 2017
172
2.5 to 3 star film.
Dec 21st 2017
162
eh, Kylo did murk his dad tho
Dec 21st 2017
163
Rian took Kylo’s words to heart: Fuck the past
Dec 21st 2017
165
exactly, ESB unbalanced it.
Dec 21st 2017
168
is it true there aren't any lightsaber duels at all?
Dec 21st 2017
167
I felt like the throne room fight gave me all the sabering
Dec 21st 2017
169
      i take that as a yes
Dec 21st 2017
170
           Would have been a decent troll post
Dec 21st 2017
171
           I'd put the throne room fight over the Darth Maul fight....
Dec 21st 2017
173
                HONEST question: Really??
Dec 21st 2017
175
                     Good points on Darth Maul fight
Dec 21st 2017
176
                     I totally forgot about how good that music was....
Dec 22nd 2017
178
                     Yup Darth Maul fight def the GOAT
Dec 24th 2017
180
                     Loved the throne room fight but I agree 100%
Dec 24th 2017
182
                     I just saw it for a second time - Snoke throne room fight is awful
Dec 24th 2017
185
                          Nah that fight is dope stop it
Dec 24th 2017
186
                          THANK you
Dec 24th 2017
188
                          Yep I agree with all of this
Dec 26th 2017
196
                          I get your point
Dec 30th 2017
223
                          How anyone could call that awful is beyond me
Dec 25th 2017
191
                     as dope as the Maul fight was, i didn't care
Dec 24th 2017
187
                          The throne room fight did seem slow and stiff plus and be honest
Dec 26th 2017
195
                          ...did you ever think ren or rey would die?
Dec 27th 2017
198
                          No I didn’t think they would die, I was responding to the comment
Dec 27th 2017
199
                          That's a fair point. I still cared nothing about Qui Gon Jinn lol
Dec 28th 2017
200
                          Correct. Balletic moves don't matter if I don't give a fuck.
Dec 29th 2017
210
i liked it a lot. i think it will depend a lot on ix.
Dec 24th 2017
184
Saw it again - more thoughts
Dec 25th 2017
190
this is hilarious
Dec 25th 2017
192
flawed, but striking at its best.
Dec 26th 2017
193
Also--did anyone notice o'girl from Chewing Gum?
Dec 28th 2017
201
Second viewing: the nerds have a point
Dec 29th 2017
202
to each their own
Dec 29th 2017
203
Exactly. Both Luke and Snoke outright address it.
Dec 29th 2017
216
Honest question: how does this movie depart from 7?
Dec 29th 2017
209
It departed from everyone's theories AFTER Force Awakens.
Dec 29th 2017
217
this doesn't make any sense.
Dec 29th 2017
211
RE: Second viewing: the nerds have a point
Dec 29th 2017
212
      I'm saying though
Dec 29th 2017
213
           niggas need to quit eating them Memberberries
Dec 29th 2017
215
it was basically "Empire" and "Jedi" retold.
Dec 29th 2017
204
the flying leia scene just LOOKED dumb
Dec 29th 2017
214
I agree with this - the way it was shot looked awkward as heck.
Dec 29th 2017
218
agreed
Dec 29th 2017
220
The ROTJ reference seemed pretty deliberate...
Dec 29th 2017
219
yup. While telling you the characters and themes in both were wrong, lol
Dec 30th 2017
221
Ummm there's call backs the more than 2 movies
Dec 30th 2017
222
Hated it.
Jan 10th 2018
224
which tells you everything you need to know
Jan 10th 2018
225
Honestly it just felt like they tried to do too much, trying introduce.....
Jan 10th 2018
226
RE: Honestly it just felt like they tried to do too much, trying introdu...
Jan 11th 2018
227
LOL.
Jan 13th 2018
228
      RE: LOL.
Jan 13th 2018
229
For all you smart dumb niggas who have problems...
Jan 19th 2018
230
the troll tho.
Jan 19th 2018
231
It is now that he used it in the film.
Jan 19th 2018
233
It’s officially weird
Jan 19th 2018
232
      You responded so you care too
Jan 19th 2018
234
      let what go? there's nothing to talk about.
Jan 19th 2018
235
      Yes every has the right to have bad taste lol
Jan 19th 2018
236
           you went from sucking drake's man titties to stanning star wars
Jan 20th 2018
237
                ok
Jan 20th 2018
238
Man the BluRay version is such a difference experience
Mar 12th 2018
239
These bonus features are great
Mar 15th 2018
242
fam this shit was ass. why even have luke skywalker in there?
Mar 14th 2018
240
lmao
Mar 14th 2018
241
finally saw it. loved it. first Star Wars movie i'd watch again
Oct 14th 2018
243
I didn't love it, I didn't hate it
Oct 19th 2018
244
re-watch opinions?
Nov 24th 2019
245
Completely opposite reaction from you on re-watch.
Nov 25th 2019
246
Agreed.
Nov 25th 2019
249
      I like the Canto scene, has a good prequel feel to it that i misss
Nov 25th 2019
259
I still like it.... *shrug*
Nov 27th 2019
276
As the thread author i decree: This thread must be locked NOW!
Nov 27th 2019
274
^^^^^^^^^^
Nov 27th 2019
277
I agree. There is nothing left to say about this below avg movie.
Nov 27th 2019
278
Two things that won't be tolerated on here:
Dec 07th 2019
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bshelly
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1. "Damn."
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That was a LOT. Until the end, it was a masterpiece. Might still be a masterpiece, but I’m gonna need sometime to digest MASSIVE SPOILER




























Luke’s death. I don’t get why, after the reveal that he had projected during the Kylo Ren fight, he died anyway. The right plot move to me was to keep him alive. It would keep with this movie’s overarching practice of invoking, then subverting, the tropes of the original trilogy. Invoking Ben’s sacrifice for Luke but keeping Luke alive is the subversion.

Or maybe I just didn’t want Luke to die. I won’t pretend I’m thinking all the way clear on this.

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2. "SPOILER: a response "
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Remember, Luke was stalling more than anything. To last that long, and use that much energy, had to have drained everything from him. To your point about Obi Wan, this was Luke’s sacrifice: use every last bit of Force he had to buy Leia and Rey enough time to escape.

  

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3. "Oh I get it. I just don’t agree with it. MORE SPOILERS"
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Thu Dec-14-17 10:37 PM by bshelly

  

          

From a franchise perspective, of course, out with the old and in with the new.

From a creative perspective, sure, out of the skywalker ghetto.

But this movie was about subverting tropes. From the gambler character being truly amoral to rey’s parentage to the emperor figure dying ( WHICH WAS AWESOME), so much of this movie defied expectations. Luke’s sacrifice feels like it runs against that.

Edit: I will give them this: I have no idea what’s going to happen in episode ix now, and it’s been a long time, maybe since RotJ, since I felt that way.

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Tiger Woods
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4. "One more thing to consider "
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You’ll remember Luke harping on “the legend of Luke Skywalker”

Well, Kylo fought the legend, not a literal projection of present day, old, washed Luke. Kylo would’ve smoked actual old man Luke, but the Legend Luke was an exaggeration of even the Luke we all know from the original trilogy - doing back bends, eating those missile blasts, he was a tall tale come to life before everyone’s eyes (kind of)

That’s what I think is so slick about that part, that he’s portraying the hero Luke that everyone has in their head, the Luke that Kylo Ren is still intimidated by.

  

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26. "yeah totally, but he could've done that and still survived back home"
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53. "BUT HE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO. It's Star Wars not Skywalker-fest"
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95. "if he can project himself onto a planet across the galaxy, i think"
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he would have put up a pretty good fight against kylo ren. BUT, he would have been blasted to bits before that.

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31. "I think it's just too clever to do it any other way."
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SPOILERS


My two cents....


I argue that it's actually quite subversive to do it this way. Keeping him alive after pulling off such a gangster ass mind-fuck would be a bit too Hollywood. I think making him show out as The Legend to give that jolt of hope- and, in effect, life- to the resistance in that way holds far greater weight if it's done at the expense of his life.

Otherwise it's just a plain old magic trick that, IMO, is far less impressive if it doesn't come with such a great cost.

That cost has far more impact as the climax of a story that made such a point of upending tropes in critical moments. You can throw so many curve balls that people begin to relax and expect those curves as the new normal, and throwing it straight down the middle suddenly becomes the curve ball.

In the end, quite literally, they made the correct choice to subvert the sort of expectation they spent the rest of the film building.

  

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54. "y'all want the legend...here you go."
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5. "aka Bitch, Get This Weak Ass Laser Sword Out My Damn Face"
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I loved it.

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45. "luke tossed that shit like she brought him a Fubu 05 jersey"
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(I have worn a mint condition fubu 05 jersey in the year of our lord 2017)
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50. "You dastardly fiend!"
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A ratfink, even.

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46. "Lmao. They gotta add a subtitle and call it BITCH I'M LUKE DON'T FORGET"
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6. "Dunno what I loved more, the movie or the Reddit meltdowns"
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Phenomenal film. I only had one thing I actively did not like (Leia Poppins pulling a Star Lord), but the rest? Jesus fucking Christmas did that satisfy me. The throne room battle and lightspeed through a vessel literally made me get loud in the theater.

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7. "yeah that shit was good"
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My only small complaint is that this trilogy doesn't seem to know what to do with Finn. I mean we started this trilogy with him, but it's not his story, it's Rey's story. Maybe we thought at first that it would be a love story between Finn and Rey, but this movie seems to kind of push away from that. Hopefully Ep nine will bring it all together but as of this Ep, he doesn't seem very integral to the story. Not in the same way that Han, Luke and Leia were integral to the original trilogy.

Otherwise? Yeah man it was all kinds of satisfying.

  

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8. "I thought Finn cake off a lot better than in 7"
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Critical mission to get the code breaker, whips Phasma’s ass, ready to sacrifice everything to take down that battering ram

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11. "but"
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The whole code breaker subplot doesn't go anywhere!

They could have literally cut out that whole part of the movie.

  

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13. "i buy the "more realistic depiction of war" explanation/excuse"
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finn, poe, and rey all try things that don't work. that happens in a real war, and it mirrors the failures of han, leia, and luke in empire perfectly, and it sets up the First Order as more than generic bungling bad guys.

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21. "I keep seeing people say this, and it's wrong."
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Without the codebreaker subplot, not only do you lose several terrific and important thematic moments, but from a pure narrative perspective, they don't bring Benicio Del Toro to Snoke's ship, which means the evacuation pods never get noticed by the First Order, which means none of the finale ever happens. So no, they don't get to be heroic by breaking the code (WHICH I LIKED btw, they try and they fail, shit happens), but their plotline is the impetus for the entire third act of the film.

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22. "I guess so"
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Although "General, we've located the Resistance. They're in escape pods heading to ___." Solved it.

But I'll admit that you are definitely right about the first part. It kind of put a new light to the fact that there was the First Order, the Resistance, the fat cats getting rich from them both...then the "little guys" that were actually the true victims of all this, that the Resistance was supposed to be saving/protecting. Then yes, showing that the big opposition could come from these victims/nobodies, not from the bloodline of the legendary Skywalkers.

I'm seeing this again tonight so maybe after that I'll be like yes Longo you were 100% right.

  

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23. "Re: the first point"
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>Although "General, we've located the Resistance. They're in
>escape pods heading to ___." Solved it.

I think Poe's protest regarding the plan to evacuate would've carried *way* more weight with the higher-ups had they known the escape pods could be spotted. They never would've made themselves even *more* exposed like that.

Besides, and this ties into the thing you wrote next, basically every narrative thing in every movie *could* be written around with one or two lines anyhow. It's all about what those narratives reveal about character and theme. And the codebreaker subplot has plenty to say on both of those things. So I really liked its inclusion.

>But I'll admit that you are definitely right about the first
>part. It kind of put a new light to the fact that there was
>the First Order, the Resistance, the fat cats getting rich
>from them both...then the "little guys" that were actually the
>true victims of all this, that the Resistance was supposed to
>be saving/protecting. Then yes, showing that the big
>opposition could come from these victims/nobodies, not from
>the bloodline of the legendary Skywalkers.

Yeah, this is the beating heart of the film for me. And I don't think the conclusion of the film, especially re: Rey's bloodline, works nearly as well if we don't have any of the Finn/Rose stuff before it. (And we certainly don't get that absolute doozy of a last shot.)

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174. " that's pt of the whole point of the movie"
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NOBODY'S plan totally works, good or bad....Even though they faced defeat, none of them gave up.... Rey didn't get the teaching she wanted and ended up getting manipulated a few times over...Finn's mission didn't work like he wanted, nor did he destroy the ram.... Poe was basically taking L's the whole movie too... Snoke is "dead" right when he thought he was winning... Ren only wins when he gets to kill his master and even that takeover is rougher than he expected.... nobody really wins in most of the movie.... most of what they do is futile, but it all comes together in the end for both factions in the form of the past drying and a new era beginning for them both... and again, neither side gives up.... it's really a big case study on belief....

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9. "Your thoughts on Finn are my thoughts on Poe. "
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35. "true"
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10. "I REALLY enjoyed it as a film. How it’s seen as part of the "
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overall Star Wars story will take some time to process and evaluate. And that’s a good thing. This film took some RISKS. It introduced new elements to the SW mythology. The unexpected happened, several times.

But I’ll really have to see where the story goes in Epusode 9 to know how I really feel about this one. At the end of the Force Awakens we were left with several big questions, and those questions built up anticipation for the Last Jedi In a big way. Several YouTube channels with hundreds of thousands of subscribers were built all on speculation from the questions TFA left. It went way overboard. That won’t be the case nearly as much for this movie -because either the questions were answered or the characters involved are dead.

The biggest question left about 9 is “where do we go from here?”

  

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12. "I appreciated that **SPOILER***"
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There were plot twists to be sure. And yes I didn't entirely like that Snoke was Darth Maul'd.

But I can really get down with the fact that the big reveal of the movie was FUCK YOU, NO BIG REVEAL.

  

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15. "The more and more I think about it, the more I like it..."
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Snoke's death served a couple purposes. First it made it clear that the big bad of this Trilogy is Kylo Ren. Second, it played with our expectations by leading us one way and then going another - in several ways.

Having unexpected stuff happen just to have the unexpected is useless. But the unexpected things in this film were set up perfectly. The dynamic of Rey leaving Luke and going to Kylo Ren, along with the elevator scene leading up to Snoke's throne room REALLY led us that this was gonna be exactly like ROTJ with Kylo saving Rey, turning to the light side, etc.

But Luke told her (and us in the audience) that it wasn't going to go the way she thought. He knew that Ben Solo was gone. Even Leia had a line about Ben being gone.

The Rey and Kylo dynamic will be interesting in Episode 9. Snoke said that it was him connecting them, but they had another of those force connection moments after he was dead. They are clearly on opposite sides of the war nowe, but they still have a connection. As I said above it seems like a Yin and Yang relationship.

It will also be interesting to see how Luke is used in Episode 9. He's definitely gonna be back as a force ghost. Yoda's scene in Last Jedi showed that force ghosts are able to interact with the physical world. With Carrie Fisher being gone (I'm guessing there will be a time jump and she will have died off screen since they've already said she won't be recast or CGI) and none of the original 3 characters in Ep 9, maybe Luke will be used more than force ghosts have been in the past...

  

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17. "and it also establishes how hard it was to be Palpatine"
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Emperor is a tough job, yo. Retroactively, they've only made Palpatine, and by extension Luke, more bad ass

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14. "and i find that incredibly exciting"
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>The biggest question left about 9 is “where do we go from
>here?”

literally anything can happen in this universe again.

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16. "Yep. The questions left after TFA seemed a bit disingenuous..."
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like it was mystery for mystery's sake. But for 9 they can really take it anywhere they want to close out this story.

  

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18. "rey's parentage is the most exciting thing to me"
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anyone can be luke skywalker now. anyone can be the hero.

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19. "That was absolutely a huge theme here..."
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from Rey's background to Rose's character who was just a mechanic, to the boy on the casino planet who they showed at the end was force sensitive. Anyone can be a hero -it's not just some blood lineage thing that only a few are blessed with.

  

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20. "dogg, dat broom? big tears of joy"
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dat kid the hero of episodes 15-18

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24. "The best final shot in a big budget movie in some time."
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28. "I have a lot of gripes with this movie, but I did not pick that up at al..."
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like, for me, it was just a kid brushing dirt, and then credits.


this is a cool read of that scene; I wish I'd felt that.


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29. "You didn't notice the broom fly into his hand?"
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32. "Actually I saw more than that "
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SPOILER

Not only did the broom fly into his hand, but the way he held it looked like he was holding a sword afterward.

  

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37. "100% intentional. "
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The average kid, the one we never see, the one whose bloodline isn't special-- his or her conviction will be the thing that saves us.

Just a fucking incredible image to end on. The more I think about, the more I want to stand up and cheer.

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48. "it was super clear he force grabbed the broom"
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you must've looked away for a sec

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33. "it should've been the black kid. period. the end"
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then i would've been excited

  

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62. "Not gonna lie...I had this exact same thought lol"
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104. "RE: That was absolutely a huge theme here..."
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I was fully expecting that boy with the broom to bust out in some electric boogaloo popping action to some Tour De France a la Turbo in Breakin'.

  

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25. "Really, realy good, (SPOILERS, obviously)"
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I haven't read all of the comments in here so I'm sorry if there's some repetition over some of the key points.

Stuff I liked:

1. Everything with Luke and Rey. Everything about that island, truthfully. Luke old and washed and defeated was interesting. Loved all of his interactions with Rey and Chewie and especially Yoda. He got a great send-off, even though I don't think he NEEDED to die.

2. The stuff with Poe Dameron learning about the true meaning of heroism. Though I will say the plan to go into hyperspace was a good one.

3. Fleshing out Kylo Ren. Gave him some proper character development rather than just leaving him as a sniveling alt-right whiner. Yes, he was still a whiner in the end, but at least they established his motivation. Making him want to rule because he's sick of the Jedi, Sith, and the entire old way of doing things was pretty inspired.

4. The death of Snoke. Fucking bad-ass build-up and pay off. This relates to the previous point. Snoke was evil just for the sake of being evil, and this film was about leaving that type of thinking behind.

5. The battle in Snoke's throne room. Probably the best light-saber fight ever.

6. The reveal that the mystery is that there is no mystery.

7. I didn't love the Laura Dern character (saw her twist coming from miles away), but her hyper-spacing the ship through Snoke's command ship was also really fucking bad-ass.

What I didn't like:

1. The vast majority of the casino planet side mission. Really wasn't necessary and most of the characters didn't serve a great purpose in the long run. I'll grant that the escape on the back of the horse was cool and it further established that BB-8 isn't to be fucked with. Also, I like Del Toro. Hell, I even like Del Toro in this movie, but he wasn't needed here. Yes, I get that they haven't addressed class in the Star Wars universe before, but this was heavy-handed even for a Star Wars. I rolled my eyes at the idea of the Resistance and the First Order being "pawns in the same game" for the rich ruling class. And the idea that "The Resistance lining the pockets of the rich arm's dealers means that they're really as bad as the First Order" was PG-13 Game of Thrones shit. This series doesn't really need the "shades of grey" thing. Especially after they spent most of the film's length defining what it means to be really good and really evil. And how being good can involve failure and being evil can come from a place of understandable intentions. I also hope that Johnson's new trilogy doesn't revolve around the stable kids on that planet.

2. Finn's kamakazie mission that gets aborted at the last second by Rose. They'd already hammered in the fucking point about "what it REALLY means to be a hero" about half a dozen times by that point. Hell, his fight with Phasma already established that he was true-born Rebel Scum. But they didn't need him trying to sacrifice himself and then Rose coming in and yelling "MESSAGE!!!!!!" Especially if they weren't going to kill her.


But as a whole, a thoroughly enjoyable experience. And I am very excited for Episode IX, especially since, yes, I have no idea where they go from here with the Resistance.

I will go to see it again. Saw it last night in a mulitplex near where I live, and now I'd like to see it in a nice old school theater around here.


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55. "I didn't think the implication was that the rebels are just as bad."
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he didn't even like...air quote "bad guys"


the point (as I saw it) was that those rich people weren't just backing or working with one side...it's all business.

that doesn't make the rebels cause unjust, but you should understand that even if you're on their side you're still supporting the system that is behind all of this.

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76. "I think he repped how chickenshit cynnicism is, in general"
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But I also have a lot of problems with that dude in general.

  

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27. "LOVED it, but botched the fuck out of Snoke. Lame set too imo."
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That was really the best they could come up with for the mysterious dark force lord who infiltrated Kylo's mind and set this whole thing in motion?

Just making him some anonymous shit-talking foil?

Rhian Johnson made an overall incredible and bold as hell film, but i'm almost insulted by his "your snoke theory sucks" picture, when literally every snoke theory i've read on the internet is better than his Snoke "answer."

And how lame is this guy to vocally narrate Kylo's move to kill him without realizing he's the one being targeted?

Dude was reduced to a clown... And his throne room looked like an unfinished set for a Missy Elliot video. That stuff and having Luke die needlessly (as yet another unnecessarily-self-referencing move by the movie about the movie, preaching the fuck out of "we want to go young with our franchise, yall have to let the past die so we can move on") were my only real complaints of an otherwise amazing movie. I liked space-float princess, and I LOVED Canto Bight.

Luke should have survived. Snoke should have mattered. JJ Abrams better give us an epic kick-ass Ghost Luke in 2019.

Obiwan told Vader he'd become unimaginably powerful if struck down, he was struck down, and never did shit. He popped in on Luke a couple times and sat on a log. Yoda at least blew up a tree. JJ can finally show us what this "unimaginably powerful" force ghost shit is all about. He better fucking do it. I love Rey, Finn and all, but that shit's nothing compared to Luke Skywalker riding in on a white Fathier to wipe out the evil.

  

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41. "Snoke’s throne room was my favorite scene in the film and one of "
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my favorites in all of Star Wars. Snoke’s was arrogant. He didn’t foresee Kylo turning on him the same was Palpatine didn’t foresee Vader’s turn. Always in motion, the future is. From a standpoint of the film, Rian Johnson led us one way then took us another. No one would have predicted Kylo and Rey teaming up to defeat Snoke and his guards, but then going their separate ways as enemies, with Kylo becoming the new Supreme Leader. That was crazy...

  

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42. "A classic martial arts movie battle but with lightsabers? Yes."
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58. "The Eye shot"
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Lightsaber force toss and ignited directly in the eye.

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59. "I must have missed it Re:Poe"
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Why did they keep their plan from him? What possible purpose did keeping it from him serve?

Its not like there was a possible traitor on board and they had to keep it close?

I must have missed it.

  

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63. "There wasn’t one...they could’ve/should’ve told him "
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44. "that's y'alls fault for having wack snoke theories"
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64. "Hahahahaha FACTS!"
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Between that at Rey’s parents, the reddit threads are hilariously filled with bitter clowns sad that their theories were shit all over

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65. "^^^^"
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Part of the reason I avoided ALL spoilers and theory talk before seeing the film this afternoon. I wanted NO expectations going in and my movie watching experience was better for it.

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69. "Snoke is Rey’s dad was the worst of a bad lot"
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70. "That's where I feel a lot of the complaints are coming from "
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People had these wild ass ideas on what they think was going to happen and mad because the movie didn't go exactly the way they predicted. If it did you'd then be hearing complaints about how predictable it was lol.

Movie was solid as shit for real.

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164. "No, we just expect the main dude behind the prime conflict to matter."
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166. "yes, because the emperor was such a massively developed character"
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181. "And that was always a complaint I had with the OT"
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197. "which makes your expectation even more bizarre."
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205. "the dumbest one was "Snoke is really Mace Windu""
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52. "LMAO at the missy comment "
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30. "as a non-Star Wars fanatic, that was a dope-ass movie"
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lemme clarify that first part: i'm a huuuuuge nerd. but for some reason neither Star Wars or Trek resonated with me in my life. i consider the OG SW trilogy to be an important 'moment', but the films themselves don't hold up all that well with age (not the spesh efx, i mean the script, the dialogue, the acting). that shit got worse with the prequels.
but cos im a nerd, and cos i'd seen all the previous ones, i saw Force Awakens...and was bored shitless.

and THEN i saw Rogue One.
holy shit, i actually really liked a SW movie for the first time.
and now this.
if they can keep up the quality momentum of these last two installments, then i'm in for the rest of it.
lots of subverting of the regular 'hero's journey' crap we see played out over and over and over and over again in all forms of media. i don't think the decisions they made in that regard were 'brave' or 'bold' in the larger context of film and tv, it's only being considered that way cos it's happening in a SW film. a series not known for really subverting anything. but it's still an important shift for the universe overall.

also, Porgs.

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34. "good as fuck and hella flawed"
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some folks already pointing things about it I loved and hated

Snoke's set was incredible. the whole design of it and the execution of the fight had me on edge. LOVED

to that, how they fucked up Snoke's ship, with the cut to silence and pull out to wide view... so. damn. good. by the way, I legit could not tell if Vice Holdo was a snake, dumb, playing dumb, etc and her redemption was so well executed.

BB8 was used SO FUCN well.

not that this news, but Oscar Isaac is a fucn fantastic actor

I also dug the blurring of the concepts of "good" and "bad" and a small piece of me really wanted Rey to take Kylo's hand and rule shit, a small piece...

Luke's death not only made sense it lets ep 9 truly attempt to live on it's own... and I predict a heavy time jump

the casino planet F O H, please don't try to justify it, while Del Toro was great, but narrativeley, even to get them to the ship was a cluster fuck

the constant jokes, need for levity, and cutesy lil ferbie fuckers, ya stop it. I did fuck with the folk whom's habitat Rey kept fucking up tho

Leia supermanning back to the ship, come the fuck on B

Rose was given so many corny lines it almost ruined her character.

I agree with some one above that it seems they don't know what to do with Finn

all that to say it was the goods

  

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36. "I don't know how I feel about the film. I don't think I liked it."
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I did need to comment on 2 of these comments though.
>the constant jokes, need for levity, and cutesy lil ferbie
>fuckers, ya stop it. I did fuck with the folk whom's habitat
>Rey kept fucking up tho

Okay, I liked the little cute creatures. They were hilarious. However, I didn't care for the humor in this film. It felt too forced, and not organic for characters not known to have a sense of humor.
>
>Leia supermanning back to the ship, come the fuck on B

YES!!!! I can't say that enough. I think that was the moment when I rolled my eyes. Primarily while we have known that Leia has been force-sensitive, this was too unbelievable. Especially considering we have not seen this ability by any other characters that are much more strong in the force. Mace Windu getting thrown out of window in particular comes to mind. I don't think Leia added much to the story after that part.

>I agree with some one above that it seems they don't know what
>to do with Finn

This too. They haven't quite figured out who his character is.

The whole thing was just too damn long. I just think that they didn't introduce any new characters that have a lasted impression. That's a problem for a movie at more that 2.5 hours.

Even Poe's development didn't really tell us more about the character that we didn't know. Kylo Ren and Rey had their characters really fleshed out.

Also, is it me, or was Captain Phasma's character completely unnecessary. She had NO impact on either of the films she was in.

For the body count in this film, I don't think there were any significant deaths outside of Snoke and Luke.

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90. "Not just you on these parts"
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>Okay, I liked the little cute creatures. They were hilarious.
> However, I didn't care for the humor in this film. It felt
>too forced, and not organic for characters not known to have a
>sense of humor.

That phone bit at the start was rough...reminded me of all the Rogue One jokes w/ K-2SO

>>Leia supermanning back to the ship, come the fuck on B
>
>YES!!!! I can't say that enough. I think that was the moment
>when I rolled my eyes. Primarily while we have known that
>Leia has been force-sensitive, this was too unbelievable.
>Especially considering we have not seen this ability by any
>other characters that are much more strong in the force. Mace
>Windu getting thrown out of window in particular comes to
>mind. I don't think Leia added much to the story after that
>part.

It looked pretty cool but they could've cut it since she won't be around anymore

>Also, is it me, or was Captain Phasma's character completely
>unnecessary. She had NO impact on either of the films she was
>in.

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207. "Boba Fett v2.0, basically."
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>Also, is it me, or was Captain Phasma's character completely
>unnecessary. She had NO impact on either of the films she was
>in.
>



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38. "I want to bring up things that I loved:"
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1. The Leia ejection/return to the ship. I audibly gasped. Reminds people why all these younger people still fuck with Leia like that. Reminds people of the strength of the force in the Skywalkers. Great narratively, great character-wise, great from a suspense/thrill perspective.

2. The casino sequence. From a thematic perspective, literally the WHOLE FUCKING MOVIE hinges on this sequence. From a narrative perspective, it's completely justified before and after. Furthermore, it's one of several moments in the movie when the heroes' plans don't work-- which I found *thrilling.* I literally can't believe that people don't like this. I also can't believe people who love The Force Awakens with that WACK-ASS OCTOPUS-LOOKING MOTHERFUCKER CGI SEQUENCE where they waste the actors from The Raid have the audacity to complain about the CGI in this sequence. The CGI during the casino was better than the five worst CGI bits of TFA.

3. Luke projecting himself into the fight. Luke's entire narrative was about denying himself the Force. It makes perfect sense that his final act is using the Force to an extent we've never seen before. He was so connected that he was able to project to everyone in the area. They set this up with plenty of context about how the Force is with every single person, so if Rey, Ben, and Luke can see one another via the Force, it makes complete sense that a master of the Force can find a way to summon enough strength/conviction to make that event happen. Again, loved loved loved this turn.

4. Luke's death. He becomes one with the Force, much like Yoda did. He takes the mental toil on knowingly, summons everything within him, and does what needs to be done to save Leia, Rey, and the Resistance. I keep seeing people want him to Obi-Wan Kenobi himself in real battle. Why? His entire character arc was about learning to stop ignoring the Force and embrace it-- it makes complete narrative sense for his character to use it to such a degree that he exhausts himself, finds comfort in his final act's success, and fades away.

5. The kiss. Did I feel love sparks throughout between Finn and Rose? No. Did I think that a soft kiss in the literal face of adversity fit perfectly with both Rose's character and the overarching theme of celebrating tenderness and love in the face of hate? 100%. Didn't bother me in the slightest. Actually works even better the more I think about it afterward.

6. Rey's meaningless parentage. SO INSANELY THEMATICALLY IMPORTANT. Anyone can be the next Rey. This one I refuse to even debate.

7. Snoke not being some callback to a previous character. GOOD GOOD GOOD. If he was some older dude disguised as "Snoke," I was ready to fucking boo the screen. This reveal goes hand-in-hand with Rey's. Anyone can be the hero, anyone can be the villain. It's totally hard as fuck to be either. Snoke emerges somehow-- doesn't really matter how-- exploits a young dude who's hurting, climbs the ladder, electrocutes fuckers until his movement nearly wins. Sometimes the guy who tries to kill us all is our relative. Sometimes he's a shady government official. Sometimes he's just some random-ass asshole. If the Force is with all of us, we all have the capacity to turn super-dark. I had less than zero problem with Snoke being no one we previously knew. The fact that he died (a) similar to the Emperor, blinded by the hubris regarding his protege, and (b) not because someone made a turn, but because the killer, Ben, was just fucking tired of dude fucking with him and using him as a pawn. Everyone uses Ben, from his family and Luke to those on the Dark Side. Snoke being just an evil asshole and not someone with some notable lineage/secret background helps underscore that point.

I'm happy to discuss further the other moments that some people seemed to hate, as the more I talk about the movie, the more I realize how well-structured it is, how thematically tight it is, and how the moments that people seem to hate are precisely the moments that made me love it so. I've never fought for Star Wars EVER until this movie-- I never thought I'd be the guy passionately defending filmmaker choices in a Star Wars film. But here we are. It's that well done.

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39. "I agree with all this minus parts of 1-2"
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- love the idea of Leia using the force, could've been executed better. Even if the camera did tight shots where we see her desperately get to the glass instead of the super hero granny glide look. It made sense how it looked, but didn't look cool if that makes sense. If it wasn't for the music it wouldve been comical. Still love it just hate how it looked, everything else I agree with

- the CGI in the Canto Bight scenes I liked other than the ending sequence/escape, everything else I'm good with

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40. "Yep. I’m definitely definding that casino sequence. "
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Especially because of Benicio’s character. Rian Johnson played with us by using familiar SW tropes but not having them go the way we thought. If this was a predictable SW movie, Benicio would have ended up being the one saving Finn and Rose by shooting from that mini AT-AT and not Rose. Maybe he would have revealed himself as actually being the master code breaker who Maz sent them after. He would have been the scoundrel who only cared about money until it was time to save the day. But naw, he really sold them out and bounced. I just love that Finn and Poe had a crazy plan which ended up NOT working.

And yeah I had zero issues with the CGI there. Those creatures they were riding looked like they belonged in the SW universe and didn’t take me out of the film at all.

  

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43. "Ya the creatures I'm good with plus it had a prequels feel to it"
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49. "rian made the right choices. This isn't the OG trilogy"
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everyone's not a skywalker, the force is everywhere.

OH SHIT A NEW POWER WE'VE NEVER SEEN

....who the fuck though we had seen all the force powers?

Leia is strong as shit w/ the force, that's established, it is what it is.

If Yoda can project himself FROM THE FUCKING DEAD why wouldn't luke be able to do it.

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156. "Yeah, I still disagree on some of these"
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Saw it for a second time yesterday, and the things I didn't like the first time didn't get any better on second watch.

Again, still like the movie quite a bit, but just because there are explanations for some of the developments and how they fit thematically doesn't mean all are executed well.

Apologies if you addressed the stuff here later in the thread; haven't read through it all yet.

(Also, you might as well have named this list "THINGS THAT PISSED STAR WARS NERDS OFF THAT I LIKE. LOL NERDS LOL.)


>1. The Leia ejection/return to the ship. I audibly gasped.
>Reminds people why all these younger people still fuck with
>Leia like that. Reminds people of the strength of the force in
>the Skywalkers. Great narratively, great character-wise, great
>from a suspense/thrill perspective.

Had no problem with this. Didn't blink an eye first time I saw it, then watching it the second time with "Mary Poppins!" stuff on my mind, it still didn't bother me. She's force sensitive and a potential Jedi, so flying through space like that isn't a stretch.

>2. The casino sequence. From a thematic perspective, literally
>the WHOLE FUCKING MOVIE hinges on this sequence. From a
>narrative perspective, it's completely justified before and
>after. Furthermore, it's one of several moments in the movie
>when the heroes' plans don't work-- which I found *thrilling.*
>I literally can't believe that people don't like this. I also
>can't believe people who love The Force Awakens with that
>WACK-ASS OCTOPUS-LOOKING MOTHERFUCKER CGI SEQUENCE where they
>waste the actors from The Raid have the audacity to complain
>about the CGI in this sequence. The CGI during the casino was
>better than the five worst CGI bits of TFA.

Yeah, I read that article too. Still doesn't work in the story. As I said above, the whole thing of "The Resistance isn't fighting the REAL enemy! They're actually helping them" played like PG-13 GoT stuff at best and bad high schooler fan fiction at worst. The CGI was fine (I did like the escape at the end), but in terms of execution, I'll take the Han Solo vs. Kanja Club.

>3. Luke projecting himself into the fight. Luke's entire
>narrative was about denying himself the Force. It makes
>perfect sense that his final act is using the Force to an
>extent we've never seen before. He was so connected that he
>was able to project to everyone in the area. They set this up
>with plenty of context about how the Force is with every
>single person, so if Rey, Ben, and Luke can see one another
>via the Force, it makes complete sense that a master of the
>Force can find a way to summon enough strength/conviction to
>make that event happen. Again, loved loved loved this turn.

This worked well. Never had a problem with it. I'm not in the camp that this film "ruined" Luke or whatever. If he's a bad-ass the entire movie, then there's no character arc. Him becoming the legend at the end of the film was the logical place to go after showing that he'd given up for the first 3/4.

>4. Luke's death. He becomes one with the Force, much like Yoda
>did. He takes the mental toil on knowingly, summons everything
>within him, and does what needs to be done to save Leia, Rey,
>and the Resistance. I keep seeing people want him to Obi-Wan
>Kenobi himself in real battle. Why? His entire character arc
>was about learning to stop ignoring the Force and embrace it--
>it makes complete narrative sense for his character to use it
>to such a degree that he exhausts himself, finds comfort in
>his final act's success, and fades away.

See, I went into the movie expecting that Luke was going to die, and being fine with it. Then, as I was watching the movie, especially after the scene with Yoda's ghost, I thought, "Huh, looks like he's going to make it through alive. Makes sense." And then to kill him after that? Nah, didn't work. Because as Yoda tells him, it's was time for him to move on from past failures and find a new way of doing things. So then he makes a grand re-introduction and... dies. But hey, we did get the double sun call back...

I also want to add that there s a fundamental mis-understanding of that plot-point that a lot of people seem to be missing (not saying you're one of them, but I see this a lot). I read all the time that, "Now that they killed Luke that means they can move on from the Skywalker family!" ignoring that Carrie Fisher was still alive when the movie was shot. So it was never Rian Johnson's intention to move on from the Skywalker family. Hell, after Fisher died Johnson and Kennedy could fairly easily re-dedicated the film to "moving on from the Skywalker clan" by killing off Leia in the first 20 minutes and making the necessary changes during the re-shoots. But given that by all accounts Leia was intended to be a big part of the original plans for Episode IX, they never intended to "move on" completely from the Skywalkers.

>5. The kiss. Did I feel love sparks throughout between Finn
>and Rose? No. Did I think that a soft kiss in the literal face
>of adversity fit perfectly with both Rose's character and the
>overarching theme of celebrating tenderness and love in the
>face of hate? 100%. Didn't bother me in the slightest.
>Actually works even better the more I think about it
>afterward.

The kiss itself was fine. Everything else in that scene that lead up to that up to that kiss? Not so much. Completely redundant with Poe storyline and basically made Rose's purpose in the film to sacrifice herself for Finn, even if she didn't die.

>6. Rey's meaningless parentage. SO INSANELY THEMATICALLY
>IMPORTANT. Anyone can be the next Rey. This one I refuse to
>even debate.

Yeah, this was one of the best parts.

>7. Snoke not being some callback to a previous character. GOOD
>GOOD GOOD. If he was some older dude disguised as "Snoke," I
>was ready to fucking boo the screen. This reveal goes
>hand-in-hand with Rey's. Anyone can be the hero, anyone can be
>the villain. It's totally hard as fuck to be either. Snoke
>emerges somehow-- doesn't really matter how-- exploits a young
>dude who's hurting, climbs the ladder, electrocutes fuckers
>until his movement nearly wins. Sometimes the guy who tries to
>kill us all is our relative. Sometimes he's a shady government
>official. Sometimes he's just some random-ass asshole. If the
>Force is with all of us, we all have the capacity to turn
>super-dark. I had less than zero problem with Snoke being no
>one we previously knew. The fact that he died (a) similar to
>the Emperor, blinded by the hubris regarding his protege, and
>(b) not because someone made a turn, but because the killer,
>Ben, was just fucking tired of dude fucking with him and using
>him as a pawn. Everyone uses Ben, from his family and Luke to
>those on the Dark Side. Snoke being just an evil asshole and
>not someone with some notable lineage/secret background helps
>underscore that point.

Agree. Second best part of the film.

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160. "RE: who said the resistance is "helping" the real enemy?"
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They're apparently buying weapons from the same arms dealers that are selling to the First Order. And there's the clear implication that the arm's dealers/people enjoy themselves on Canto Bight are the worst people in the galaxy.The film is making the inference that the Resistance is helping bankroll these guys who enslave planets, use up their resources, and discard them.

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161. "I think that's a sort of narrow interpretation"
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to me it's not "oh, the resistance is funding this shitshow"

it's "the resistance isn't resisting here"

the two sides aren't equivalent, but they're both part of a fucked up system, and even if finn and rose feel like they're fighting for universal freedom, most of the people aren't getting a taste of that.

if those are the people who sell the weapons and you're a guerrilla fighter you might have to deal with whoever you have to deal with.

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mrhood75
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179. "Star Wars is really bad at doing shades of grey"
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I cringe even thinking about "FROM MY PERSPECTIVE THE JEDI ARE EVIL!!!!!!"


>it's "the resistance isn't resisting here"
>
>the two sides aren't equivalent, but they're both part of a
>fucked up system, and even if finn and rose feel like they're
>fighting for universal freedom, most of the people aren't
>getting a taste of that.

And I think that belongs in a different movie. Like, one that takes place before The Force Awakens even. But trying to get mileage out of "The Resistance isn't resisting here and it should be" isn't very effective in a film where 75% of its 2 and a half hour run time is literally the Resistance being hunted down and killed.

Plus, Rose's desired solution to addressing the problems on Canto Bright by "putting a whole fist through the planet" (which she and Finn at least do to the city) are also pretty out of place in a film where it's all about redefining the meaning of heroism and, in Rose's words, "Not destroying what you hate, but saving what you love."

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47. "TROLLING FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE"
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51. "it's interesting that the movie does to Star Wars what Ren wants to do"
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to everything.

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56. "I also like how there was SW critique/commentary built into the movie"
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>to everything.
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

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57. "yuuup."
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like...you know there are other people who have to live in this universe right? I still gotta eat no matter who wins and y'all aren't coming back for me.

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60. "Luke and Just for Mens?"
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Where'd his grey go at the end? Both in the projection and on the island? Wtf.

  

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66. "He was gray on the island, projection wasn’t gray-haired"
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That was done by design. In his projection, Luke was portraying himself as the “Legend” he referred to earlier in the movie when speaking to Rey on the island. Luke’s projection was an exaggerated portrayal, it was Luke performing as what people thought he was - a Jedi Paul Bunyan, the most alpha Force user ever. His hair wasn’t gray, he was doing Matrix moves, being blown up and not getting a scratch.

  

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67. "Exactly only Rey and Chewie know what he look like "
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He was doing all that for a reason. They put out a book about all the stories or legendarytales of Luke that are being told like how people said Luke was so powerful he took down a star destroyer from the sky down with the force. Such. Good time to be a star wars fan lol
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97. "it was on the island too though"
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I get him appearing that way to everyone on Crait, but when they flashed back to him sitting on the rock, he looked the same as in the projection.

I'll have to rewatch.

  

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86. "I think he wanted to look how Kylo Ren remembered him..."
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...to further goad him

  

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61. "The Throne Room"
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That fight sequence was fucking flawless, but THAT SET! Completely unlike how a Star Wars movie looks, in the best possible way. It makes me excited for what we could see visually going forward.

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68. "And the cinematography "
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Camera angles and blocking on a whole other level.

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71. "The genius of this movie is that it accomplishes TWO goals at once:"
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First, the movie destroys everything you think you know about Star Wars. Toss out all of your Reddit theories about who Rey’s family is, or what motivates Snoke, or even how the Force works.

Second, the movie sets the tone for, hopefully, every Star Wars movie to come. New powers, new tech, new central characters (finally).

This is one of the most deliberately plotted movies I’ve ever seen, from, of all places, the blockbuster franchise of all blockbuster franchises. Shit, The Last Jedi even reinvents the typical sequel model - how often do you go see Part 2 of a movie and it feels like re-heated leftovers from the original? This sure ain’t that!

Kylo Ren is a brat you don’t like because Vader was a badass who you did like.

Snoke gets murked easily with no explanation because Palpatine was such a formidable foe and was given TOO much explanation.

Despite his charisma, Poe fucks up repeatedly. Compare that to Han, who consistently found a way to get out of a jam with his wit.

If you don’t see ALL of these things happening, then THE JOKE’S ON YOU!
Your Snoke theory? Cool bro, he’s gonna die halfway through the 2nd act. You want Rey and Luke’s tension to boil over? Ok, but they’re gonna fight with sticks. Rey’s parents have to be of Skywalker lineage right? Nope, just drunks in the desert. You want Leia to finally use the Force? Ok, but she’s not going to fight anyone with it. Your lore that you hold so dear? We’re going to literally have Yoda, everyone’s favorite character, BURN YOUR LORE DOWN.

Dude, Laura Dern and Benicio De Toro are specifically here to troll the audience. Dern plays an unlikeable tight ass, one whose earnestness ultimately helps save the day. Del Toro plays a charming scoundrel, but Lando he’s not - no redemption to see here, he sells his comrades out and dies, as he should. Again, to hell with whatever you think these characters should be or what they should do.

The details man! God, even C-3PO’s arm is gold again because, compared to the risks Rian Johnson takes, switching in a red arm is far from a disruption.

This movie is the direct opposite of the Force Awakens, wherein Star Wars finally gets off its own dick, has fun for the whole family, and still redefines everyone’s notions of what a blockbuster can be - ya know, like the first trilogy originally did before Star Wars evolved into a humorless corporate enterprise.

I don’t know how Rian Johnson made the case to the Disney brass that this was the direction they had to go in. That alone is a feat, much less having the focus to write it and direct it and see it through. But the table is now re-set, and Star Wars is a vital piece of the zeitgeist again, not a hallmark property just to make everyone feel nice.

  

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73. "cute explanations. still a shite film."
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206. "^^^^^^^^"
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74. "RE: The genius of this movie is that it accomplishes TWO goals at once:"
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>The details man! God, even C-3PO’s arm is gold again
>because, compared to the risks Rian Johnson takes, switching
>in a red arm is far from a disruption.
>
BTW, 3PO's arm was gold again @ the end of TFA

  

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77. "Did they show Benicio die?"
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I assumed he just bounced with his money

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92. "Don't remember seeing him die either"
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>I assumed he just bounced with his money

Unless we're supposed to assume everyone died except Rose & Finn after Dern went streak mode

  

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72. "Can someone explain"
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The underground pool? It was cool, and I suppose it harkened back to the cave Luke went in and faced his fear (Vader), but I missed the point of it here. It looked cool, for sure, but it didn't do much for Rey or the story, except possibly tell her (and us) there was no backstory to her parents?

Overall, I thought the movie was dope, the class issues it brought up were cool (even if it did slow down the movie with that mission subplot), the idea that anyone can use the force and spark the rebellion is nice, and Legendary Luke was dope (even if it meant he had to die, which I get). Star Lord Leia was bogus, but hating on Carey Fisher is impossible, so... And I just barely noted the kid and the broom, and wondered if I saw what I thought I saw. Thanks for the confirmation here.

Whoever said the throne room looked like a Missy Elliott video set was spot on. Dope scene though. The Porgs and Darth BB-8 were pure and obvious merchandising ploys, but you have to expect that.

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78. "After all was revealed..."
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I assumed the reflection was hers alone because she owes her powers to no one. There is no explanation to why she is so powerful it’s just within her...hence her just seeing herself.

That’s how I interpret it anyway

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98. "luke saw himself in his cave too"
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the cave held not only vader as something to fear, but the wholly dangerous possibility that luke would become vader.

what that means for rey is interesting, though. she says that when she was in the cave she wasn't scared, even though she thought she should be. whereas luke was clearly afraid in his cave and brought in his lightsaber intentionally.

rey was fearless going in and saw only herself, which i think means she is much clearer about herself than luke was at the time.

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75. "JarJar vs Benny the bull: worse Star Wars character? "
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That stutter + the largely pointless plot line that he was involved with...

  

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79. "Saw it and really liked it"
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What I didn't like first:

1)Too many "bits" - especially the one between Poe and Hux was silly.

2)I did not like Snoke's throne room - just seemed like s soundstage .

3)The fight in the throne room - to me - was slow and corny after Snoke was down. Why are they wearing all that shit on their heads, maybe removing that might have been better? And the "going into attack mode" moves before the fight seemed silly. And I did not think the choerogaphy of the actual fight was great.

4)Captain Phasma is still lame - let's hope she's actually dead.

5)Why do they wait so long to kill people? On my command ... wait for it ... wait for it... wait for it......... Oh, an explosion has diverted my attention.

6)BB-8 as the security droid was way to slapstick too many times.

7)Some of the ski-speeder effects seemed cheesy.

8)I was unclear why didn't the bombers start dropping earlier? They'd have at least damaged the dreadnought.

9)Finn and Rose running around Las Vegas like idiots - I mean running wildly through the casino and drawing attention to themselves before they got stunned.

What I did like:
1)Good action.

2)Leia's angelic return to the ship. I thought that was beautiful.

3)Yoda is YODA again - not the lame hopping around Yoda. He was a bit trickier than before - but being dead might do that to you.

4)Adam Driver's fighting style. He seems very menacing and powerful.

5)Loved the ship designs.

6)I liked Luke a lot.

This film really does have me scratching my head about what comes next - that's good.

Oh, and that kid at the end was awful - just staring off into space and trying to give you hope - I really didn't like the take in the film.

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81. "it's fairly canon "
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>>8)I was unclear why didn't the bombers start dropping earlier? They'd have at least damaged the dreadnought.


that anything built by the empire is super strong armored everywhere except for one key weak point, c'mon.

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83. "https://i.stack.imgur.com/jA0H0.jpg"
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https://i.stack.imgur.com/jA0H0.jpg


>Oh, and that kid at the end was awful - just staring off into
>space and trying to give you hope - I really didn't like the
>take in the film.

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88. "RE: Saw it and really liked it"
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>1)Too many "bits" - especially the one between Poe and Hux was
>silly.
>
>2)I did not like Snoke's throne room - just seemed like s
>soundstage .
>
>3)The fight in the throne room - to me - was slow and corny
>after Snoke was down. Why are they wearing all that shit on
>their heads, maybe removing that might have been better? And
>the "going into attack mode" moves before the fight seemed
>silly. And I did not think the choerogaphy of the actual fight
>was great.

>4)Captain Phasma is still lame - let's hope she's actually
>dead.

>6)BB-8 as the security droid was way to slapstick too many
>times.


>8)I was unclear why didn't the bombers start dropping earlier?
>They'd have at least damaged the dreadnought.
>
>9)Finn and Rose running around Las Vegas like idiots - I mean
>running wildly through the casino and drawing attention to
>themselves before they got stunned.

>Oh, and that kid at the end was awful - just staring off into
>space and trying to give you hope - I really didn't like the
>take in the film.

Basically all my gripes with the film. I had to take time to process it all cause the hardcore Star Wars nerd in me left unfulfilled, but I took a step back and I was happy with what they did. Some it was too on the nose and was obviously meant to bring in the kids/sell toys, but the overall story of letting the Skywalker shit die was needed.

They basically are trying to give us what we want and a lot of us just can't let the Skywalker stuff go. I partially blame that on Lucas for all the prequel Anakin is the chosen one stuff, it cemented in our head that this was supposed to be about the Skywalker fam which it isn't, it's STAR WARS, not STARS WARS the Skywalker Chronicles. As fans we wanted an Expanded Universe and complained when Disney killed the EU after the buyout. Well, guess what? You wanted an EU and now we got an EU.

I just hope they can keep this on a good trajectory and not make the mistakes that were made with the prequel films. Less EP 1,2,3, and more Clone Wars/Rebels with plot lines and the overarching story of that Universe.

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80. "That was a really long movie and it was kind of boring"
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I didn’t care for it very much.

I did like the Porgs.

So were the guys in red in Snokes throne room the Knights of Ren?

Luke was channeling his inner Anakin in the Jedi Temple when he tried to kill Kylo Ren.

So Snokes back story is that he is pure evil created by the dark side midichlorians. I am just going to believe that.

  

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82. "*shrug8 (re: snoke theory)"
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it's as good as anything else.

they never explained (in the films) where palpatine came from afaik

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101. "exactly: RE palapatine"
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>they never explained (in the films) where palpatine came from
>afaik

I had as many snoke theories as the next guy, but after the movie I was telling my friend the same thing that I had never really realized, that when the OT was out, no one knew who the fuck the Emperor was or where he came from, he was just the big bad guy.

These days, there is such a high demand for backstory and needing to know everything that the simple thought of a "bad guy" isn't enough for anyone.

  

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85. "RE: That was a really long movie and it was kind of boring"
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>I didn’t care for it very much.
>
>I did like the Porgs.
>
>So were the guys in red in Snokes throne room the Knights of
>Ren?
>
I thought they were and would have made sense, but I don't think we've seen the Knights of Ren, yet.

>Luke was channeling his inner Anakin in the Jedi Temple when
>he tried to kill Kylo Ren.
>

Luke didn't try to kill Kylo tho. I think a lot of people are disregarding the third version of that story (which is probably closer to the truth), where his urge to kill Kylo passed, leaving Luke with shame and a scared Ben Solo (who caved the roof in on them and later killed a majority of the students).

  

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93. "I am not disregarding the third version of that event"
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Luke still thought about killing him and Luke did turn his light saber on but unlike Anakin he walked away from that cliff.

  

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84. "like this even better the second time"
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Honestly this might be my second favorite Star Wars film, after Empire.

Everyone was curious when the news of Rian Johnson doing a new Star Wars trilogy with all different characters, but really it seems like this movie was the perfect setup for that. Not only does he break down the idea that Star Wars is all about the Skywalker family, but he lets us know right away that there are plenty of potential new Jedi all over the galaxy. In case people were worrying that the next trilogy wouldn't have Jedi or lightsabers at all.

There is so much to like. Among it all I appreciate how it just completely moves away from ideas of "prophecy" and a "Chosen one" and shit like that. Anyone can rise up. That's what kids need to hear, not the tired destined for greatness shtick that previous generations grew up getting (over and over).

It's not a perfect movie, but...I don't see how people can forgive stuff like the wooden dialogue in A New Hope, or well almost all of Return of the Jedi, but then turn around and whine about this movie. But I mean not everyone is going to agree on shit I guess.

  

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87. "It had its flaws, but it did what it needed to do to keep Star Wars aliv..."
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My issues:

Thought it was a little too Pixar cute at times but then i remembered Han cracking jokes in the OG version and Ewoks.

The heroism/sacrifice theme was so heavy handed I expected subtitles spelling out message to pop on the screen.

It did feel a bit long. I was surprised (but happy) when we still had more movie left after they were able to successfully escape: i thought homegirls kamakazi sacrifice had murked the first order's main ship and they wouldnt pursue on ground.

The rest tho?

Like its been said above the strength of the movie is how its clearing out the old (while giving you the expected character beats). You get your ghostly jedi master dropping jewels, the sith/sithlord combo, suicidal bombing runs pulled off at the last second, etc.

But like how it de-mythologied all the chars; it was very deliberate in killing off the skywalker brand. Like when Kylo literally told Rey, "this story isnt about you", lol. You get the feeling that Kylo aint gonna age in an Emperors chair cackling evil orders, nahmean? The burning of the Jedi temple with yoda cracking jokes, etc. The parts I was intially mad at (Snoke being a non-issue, Luke being a pussy, Rey not getting tempted by the darkside) were because I went in wanting those beats and Rian was like, "Nah, lets stay away from all this nostalgia for a bit" and In hindsight it was great choice.

I have no idea what movie 9 is gonna be and the series is better for it

  

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89. "This is very important"
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>The parts I was intially mad at
>(Snoke being a non-issue, Luke being a pussy, Rey not getting
>tempted by the darkside) were because I went in wanting those
>beats and Rian was like, "Nah, lets stay away from all this
>nostalgia for a bit" and In hindsight it was great choice.


I think it was that way for a lot of people who didn't enjoy the film but you saw what they were really trying to do and it clicked. A lot of people wanted it to be "their" Star Wars movie and not its own Star Wars. For that I enjoyed it very much and just like you I loved the choices they took in this film.

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91. "Yep to all of this..."
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>The parts I was intially mad at
>(Snoke being a non-issue, Luke being a pussy, Rey not getting
>tempted by the darkside) were because I went in wanting those
>beats and Rian was like, "Nah, lets stay away from all this
>nostalgia for a bit" and In hindsight it was great choice.
>
>I have no idea what movie 9 is gonna be and the series is
>better for it

As I was walking out of the theater I knew I had really enjoyed the movie, but I also felt like it didn't meed my expectations. And even as I was feeling that way, I KNEW I would need time to process whether it was just an issue of me going in wanting certain things to happen, or if the movie itself was underwhelming. And honestly, by the time I got home I realized that it was the former.

Last Jedi reminds me of ESB. Not in terms of the plot although there are some similarities, but in how it fits within the trilogy, and where it took the series after the first film. As a kid, Empire was my least favorite of the original trilogy, and it wasn't until I was high school/college age that I realized that it was the best. Because if you watched Star Wars, then later watched Empire, there was so much that wouldn't have gone the way you expected. The entire movie was the "good guys" taking Ls, and instead of the triumph of blowing up the Death Star in A New Hope, it ends with the "good guys" retreating with their tails between their legs and the main character dealing with a huge revelation that both he and the audience don't know is true since the reveal came from the villain. The same overarching thing happens in TLJ without actually recycling the plot at all.

You almost have to see it twice to appreciate it - not because it's complicated at all, but to first cleanse your palate of your expectations before enjoying it for what it is.

  

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94. "Liked it but Kylo Driver is 1000000000000x better w/ the mask on"
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Just not buying him as a bad ass w/ that sulky face/voice

Domhnall Gleeson's Hux works better when he tones it down a notch

Green milk tits gotta go

Porgs were cool but could've used more Chewy

  

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96. "The Leai flying back to the ship didn’t bother me"
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I could have gone either way in that scene. We know she won’t be back for IX so when the bridge was destroyed I thought it was going to be the end of her.

I also thought she might stay behind in Derns place to pilot the ship, that scene would have been even more powerful if it were Leai staying behind to make that sacrifice and then take out Snokes ship.

On a side note, why does anyone have to stay behind to pilot these ships? Don’t they have a droid for that or autopilot? Dern staying behind gave us a badass scene but the fact that an actual person has to stay behind to pilot the ship while everyone else escapes is laughable.

  

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99. "When Carrie Fisher died they said they weren't making changes "
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to her performance in this movie. The original plan was for her to have her largest role in Episode 9. So they were never planning on having Leia die in Last Jedi, and they said they weren't going to recast or do a CGI character. IMO it would have been disrespectful for them to have her die onscreen when it wasn't shot with that intention (I've heard some people say that they should have had her die from the explosion on the bridge.)

I think there will be a significant time jump between TLJ and Episode 9, and it will begin with them saying that Leia has passed away. Have Poe as the general in charge of the Resistance Give Rey some time to have trained with the Jedi texts she took in the Falcon and force ghost Luke, etc.

  

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102. "Rey did take those Jedi books with her, thanks for clearing that up"
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That scene happened real fast and I wasn’t sure if those were the books.

  

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103. "Yep, which gives double meaning to Yoda's line about there being "
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nothing in the tree that she didn't already have.

  

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208. "that REALLY annoyed me. I groaned out loud, actually."
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>I could have gone either way in that scene. We know she
>won’t be back for IX so when the bridge was destroyed I
>thought it was going to be the end of her.
>


THAT would've been a better way to show her using The Force, IMO. Had she moved a pile of wreckage to free herself, it would've served the same purpose and been far less hokey than the Magical Spacewalk.


>I also thought she might stay behind in Derns place to pilot
>the ship, that scene would have been even more powerful if it
>were Leai staying behind to make that sacrifice and then take
>out Snokes ship.

That would've been awesome, and a great send off for Carrie Fisher.


>
>On a side note, why does anyone have to stay behind to pilot
>these ships? Don’t they have a droid for that or autopilot?
>Dern staying behind gave us a badass scene but the fact that
>an actual person has to stay behind to pilot the ship while
>everyone else escapes is laughable.

Right? They have medical droid that can deliver babies...but none that can fly space cruisers.


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100. "a few too many corny jokes but otherwise, very good"
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oh and leia floating was a cool idea, but i didn't like the execution at all


the split between critic and fan reaction on rotten tomatoes is crazy...almost the reverse of justice league with a 40% gap. i'm guessing both of those results are being skewed by fanboys

  

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105. "This is a given. "
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>the split between critic and fan reaction on rotten tomatoes
>is crazy...almost the reverse of justice league with a 40%
>gap. i'm guessing both of those results are being skewed by
>fanboys

And honestly, since the CinemaScore results line up far more with the critical reception than with the RT public voting, that makes your guess even more clear as reality.

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106. "RE: This is a given. "
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Had a guy next to us in the theater sighing every 5 to 10 minutes or muttering at every little thing he didn't like. He left with at least a half hour left and didn't return which was fine with me. lol I don't understand these people at all.

  

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107. "I went to the imax at 11:30am on saturday"
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people were applauding multiple times

nerds have become the anti-fun people

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194. "the jokes felt very Disney-Marvelized"
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Star Wars has always had a great bit of corniness, but dry wit here followed the MCU template (specifically Luke tossing away his lightsaber). and there are enough Marvel movies as is.

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108. "Snoke and Phasma"
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Snoke and his meta-cizing Kylo about being beaten by a girl whos never held a light saber before lmao

Phasma! Just enough screen time to keep her at pro Boba Fett level of badness etc and showing she could get down

  

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109. "Yeah im okay with those 2 dying"
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We need more time for these more interesting characters. We can only complain in hindsight about Snoke because we got to see a prequel of Palpatine and his orgins.


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112. "Phasma was a cool suit and nothing else, though"
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She got wrecked by a low-level trooper.

We had two separate Darth Mauls in this movie.

  

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117. "nope, she showed she was bout it bout it"
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Got overtaken due to explosions etc

>She got wrecked by a low-level trooper.
>
>We had two separate Darth Mauls in this movie.

  

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119. "Ok."
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Didn't she only have like a three-minute scene? Felt like another example of Johnson saying "fuck your fan theories" (which I actually like).

Given that this is Star Wars, there's a pretty good chance she'll come back later all burned up.

  

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137. "RE: Ok."
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It was said above but she is this trilogy's Boba Fett. Cool costume, looks badass, not in a lot of scenes and looks to get killed pretty easily. They wrote books about Boba Fett surviving after the sarlac pit so could see the same with Phasma.

  

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142. "I've never in my life understood the boba fett fetisization"
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177. "RE: I've never in my life understood the boba fett fetisization"
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I talked about this on my podcast. I never understood why (as kids) we loved Boba Fett. There is NO reason for us to love him based on his short couple of scenes in Empire Strikes Back. But for some reason we thought he was that dude. So weird.

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110. "This one's strictly for hardcore fans."
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And I guess that's ok. But I can't imagine anyone who doesn't have SW in their DNA loving this. It's unabashedly cheesy and pulpy and over-indulges in the trappings of the Star Wars universe.

I had trouble connecting to any characters here. It just felt like a frantic, non-stop fetch quest from beginning to end. When characters aren't giving classic SW-style soliloquies about the force, or screaming at someone to blow something up, they're awkwardly and repeatedly spitting out clumsy exposition ("Remember, we need to find the man with the red lapel pin! If we find the man with the red lapel pin, that's the Master Code Breaker! The Master Code Breaker will allow us to sneak onto the ship and disable the tracker!"). Del Toro almost lands on an interesting, believably human performance, but decides to throw an unnecessary stutter on top of it. Like his performance, this movie is a really well-crafted chocolate cake covered in chocolate syrup, chocolate ice cream, chocolate sprinkles and a pound of Hershey Kisses. Just give me the cake.

There's something really nice in the "telepathy" scenes between Kylo and Rey, mostly because the movie takes a minute to breathe and enjoy a meaningful moment between two characters. I just wish there were more character moments like that.

There are also truly masterful images to be found: Leia being sucked out of the ship, the Star Destroyer fleet being sliced in half, Luke staring down a group of giant walkers. But I just had zero interest in the outcome of the intervening scenes.

Some other stuff that bugged me:

- Porgs are cute, but we really couldn't find *one* plot-driven justification for their screen time (i.e. the crystal foxes leading the way out of the mine)?
- The "Day in the Life of Luke" montage was so. fucking. weird. What was the point of it? Why did he pole vault to the rock wall when he could have spear fished from the cliff side? Why did we need to focus on the Cronenberg-esque shot of Luke squeezing Gatorade out of an alien's tits?
- None of Finn's comedy works. He really is Jar Jar 2.0. Him falling off the hospital bed is cringe-worthy unfunny.
- Don't necessarily mind the idea of Leia using the force to return to the ship, but the visual execution was rough. She looked like a Cinderella fairy floating back and it got chuckles from my crowd.
- The scene of Finn's attempted kamikaze mission on the Rebel base is a mess. Walkers that have laid waste to the rest of the rebels have suddenly stopped shooting as he's flying in a straight line for the cannon. His jalopy speeder is literally melting, but he only has a light sweat. He and Rose are allowed an elongated romantic discussion on a battlefield which is littered with the smoldering corpses of their comrades (again, why the fuck aren't they being shot at?). One dude apparently drags Rose a few miles on a makeshift sled back to base, again completely ignored by the enemy.
- Snoke is terrible. He feels like a C-list Marvel villain. Generically evil "do my bidding" yadda yadda dialogue. Uninteresting physical design. An effortless master of the force, yet unable to sense the threat from the second light saber. Cool death, but a completely redundant throwaway otherwise.
- I see the operatic look he was going for in Snoke's throne room, but it just felt too over-indulgent. Too on-the-nose dramatic. And the fights between the red guards and Rey and Kylo felt slow and overly-choreographed.
- Overall, just WAY too much sub-par CGI. The standout criminal in this area is the casino scene. Love the idea of a high-end Star Wars universe casino (we've really only seen shithole dive bars before), but when you fill it with cheap-looking CGI gremlins, how can I possible care about what happens? Finn and Rose on the back of that CGI horse thing...my god, that looked horrendous. Like prequel-level bad.
- The slave kids in the casino stables are confusingly terrible. Why do they look perfectly clean and healthy aside from a few selectively placed smears of shoe polish? And we end the movie with one of these Little Rascals? Awful.

I've loved Rian Johnson's other work and was excited to see what he did with this, but it feels like he tried to fit every Star Wars fan fiction idea he's ever had into one film. I hope, given that he's in charge of an entire new trilogy, that he allows the characters in those films room to breathe and actually give us emotional hooks to connect with.

  

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111. "I don't think you even saw this movie"
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113. "just got back from it, actually"
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114. "sure buddy"
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115. "Are you saying I didn't see it because I don't agree with you?"
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Not understanding your angle here.

  

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116. "your criticism reads like you heard about it but didn't see it yourself"
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118. "Ah ok, gotcha."
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I'm sorry you feel that way. Here's my ticket stub. I can write up a review of the Raisinets I bought if that'll help convince you.

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127. "this is one of the greatest scenes in the franchise..."
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>- I see the operatic look he was going for in Snoke's throne
>room, but it just felt too over-indulgent. Too on-the-nose
>dramatic. And the fights between the red guards and Rey and
>Kylo felt slow and overly-choreographed.

in both look and execution...

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189. "Keep an eye out for the slow choreography next time"
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It really feels like they're going half-speed during a rehearsal. And the group of guys attacking Kylo wait their turns to attack him. The Duel of Fates scene is much better.

  

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120. ""No way Disney lets a character named 'Ackbar' do the suicide bombing""
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Friends response when I was bitching about how Ackbar should/could have done everything that Laura Dern did.

  

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121. "ya know what? You're right. Damn."
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122. "^^^focused"
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123. "dude that voiced Admiral Ackbar died"
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So they killed off his character.

Otherwise he probably would have had at least a slightly larger role, is my guess.

  

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138. "here's the CRAZY thing about what you said..."
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check the article out about Gareth Going into the meteor that crashed on the planet Jedha 1000s of years ago

http://collider.com/rogue-one-kyber-crystals-jedha-easter-egg/#gareth-edwards-interview


This sounds like the meteor in Mecca to me.....The origins of Islam

  

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124. "Petition to strike Last Jedi from canon"
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/save-apos-star-wars-apos-122842126.html

lol these nerds man. wtf movie was damn good, overthinking stuff way too much.

  

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125. "RE: Petition to strike Last Jedi from canon"
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I consider myself a Star Wars and sci fi nerd and this is ridiculous.

Such entitlement that some of these nerds think the movie should be made exactly to their own personal liking. Then the complaint would be its too predictable and just a rehash of the same ideas. You can't please some people and a few had it in their mind they were going to hate the film before they saw it.

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126. "In the next one, I hope Chewbacca dies on a planet call Reddit"
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128. "that shit is so absurd"
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I enjoyed The Last Jedi, but I mean, COME ON.

Only in the Trump Era do we get shit like this.

  

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129. "You got a female lead"
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That doesn't come from the "bloodline" everyone thought she did.

Then you have a black dude that gets prominent screen time and was part of an entire sub adventure in the film.

I bet I know exactly what type of people would want a petition like that.

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130. "I know who would sign it"
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It's a mixture of :

1)Misogynists - The really really can't stand that females are giving orders.

2)Racists - They don't like that the white characters are either bd guys or being reprimanded by female or aliens.

3)People who liked Episodes 1-3 better (i.e.,, morons.) - They can't handle a single plot twist without getting confused or angry.

People who sign the petition are like 80% all three of these things with the rest almost all strongly one of them.

Then they'll be a very rare group of people this upset: People who aren't misogynists, racist, or morons who hate the film a lot. I'd say 0.1% of people.


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131. "Most def"
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I think the petition was around 9k last time I checked, which when you factor in how many people actually saw this movie its an extremely small percentage.

Those types just get overly vocal. We do live in an age where its all about "Hey look at me I hate something that is universal loved so I'm smarter than everyone else"

It probably would have happen with the original trilogy if social media was around then. To call for a petition and its removal from canon? And they let the prequels ride? It reeks of "those type".

I'm a huge horror nerd. There is a reason the phrase "final girl" is a thing and that's because in most horror films its a female lead that survives at the end. I never really hear any other horror nerds complain about it either. Sigourney Weaver been fuckin up Aliens for a minute back in the day, they loved her for it too.

Why is it that sci fi nerds can't stand a strong female lead?

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133. "I'm saying though"
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I didn't like the last X-Men movie, but I'm not going to start campaigning for it to be universally ignored.

That is some crazy shit I can't even wrap my head around.

What's weird is that I've seen it twice now. Both times, people were cheering in the theater. At the end of both showing, there was applause. Not just like a few people--most of the theater.

It's weird to leave the theater on such a positive note like that, and then find out that a bunch of whiners hate the movie so much that they even want the filmmakers to disown it.

It makes me think they need to double down for Episode 9. Have a trans Jedi. Get some Latinos in there. Have Poe come out of the closet. Send all them mufuckas running to cling to another franchise.

  

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134. "They gonna rock "Make Star Wars Great Again" hats"
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You tryin to get the theaters burned down lol.

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136. "right, I thought apocalypse was trash...but I didn't write a petition"
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I just moved on with my life

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152. "Wait. these people exist?"
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>3)People who liked Episodes 1-3 better

I know there are people out there who prefer 1-3, but they seem to either be people who were never that in to star wars, or actually saw them first, or 20 somethings who were kids when they came out, but even among those people I've never in my life met anyone passionate about episodes 1-3 in the way fanboys and 70s babies are about 4-7, or would even care enough to sign a petition

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153. "They exist. Definitely more rare, but there are people who are George"
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Lucas fans and feel like everything done after the Disney sale isn't "real" Star Wars. Many of those people hated The Force Awakens and preferred the prequels because of Lucas's world-building and overall creativity.

  

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183. "but the ones that do exist and feel that strongly about it"
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are exactly the kind of people who think they own the internet and pop culture.

  

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132. "too long, but very enjoyable."
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I liked Luke's role as the reluctant teacher (like Yoda, who looked like shit btw) rather than the enthusiastic one (like Obi-Wan) I expected him to be. I liked Rey, Finn, and Poe's storylines but am excited to see them work together again in Ep. 9. The split-up definitely created some length problems though. The worlds they explored here were some of the best they've ever had, particularly the red-and-white one at the end.

  

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135. "Dope Rian interview"
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/rian-johnson-secrets-luke-snoke-151709478.html

I didn't realize they used the same puppet Yoda as ESB. That's really cool, I thought it might be CGI but probably just the ghost glow to it added.


I think he did a great job and not mad at any of his choices.


  

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139. "Lotta minor things bugged me, but for the most part I really enjoyed it"
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most of what i couldn't stand was probably already touched on but..

flying fairy angel leia. just awful
benicio's stutter (though i didn't mind him otherwise)
the final shot with the kid

he casino stuff i absolutely hated because it felt like the most prequel-y thing since the prequels.. from all the cornball moments to the CGI to the political statement. and i liked the idea of the war profiteers/beneath the surface angle, but in execution... ugh. i fucking hated it.

those little bird things didn't bother me nearly as much as i though they would.

could have done without those little villager ladies on lukes island, but again, not a big deal

BB-8 was doing a little much, though, i guess I'm just expecting him to be at R2 level skill wise.

Snoke's spot could have been more badass

i really enjoyed all other things Leia. I didn't expect this much Leia, so it was def a treat.

I loved every moment Luke was on screen. Especially the last one.

The Rey/Kylo stuff was extremely well done, i thought. I really like her.

Finn and Poe were cool. even though Finn's first moment was kinda awful.

The story itself and action sequences (sans casino), were top notch. Good times overall. just wish i could edit some shit out haha

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140. "Meh...TFA lowered the bar"
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As much as this film was hyped, especially on here, I probably set my hopes too high.

I mean, it is better than TFA hands down. But really, that isn't saying much.


I appreciate a few things went in places we didn't necessarily expect, but...

just because you take the SAME beats/situations, and change the outcome...that doesn't make it as original as some are making it out to be.

More original than TFA? Sure. But again, that isn't saying much.


And I might be nitpicking here, but Luke was going to slice his nephew up while he slept? Really?


(yeah, I get that it was just for a minute...but that sh!t was stupid.)

Speaking of that... we are 2/3 through this...have they explained why the Solo kid went so evil and I missed it? I mean, more than "he had darkness inside him"?


Meh. Two films into this thing and I think I'm burnt out on it all. How many times can the good guys get decimated, etc? Now there's like, what, 20 people?





  

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141. "they did explain Solo to Kylo in TFA."
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snoke was force texting him the same way he was connecting rey and kylo.


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143. "lol at "force texting" "
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Snoke: R U Up?
Kylo: Yeah Luke tried 2 kill me wtf?
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144. "LOOL"
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145. "There are several things that contributed to him going darkside..."
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As mentioned above, in TFA Leia told Han that Snoke had been manipulating Ben Solo since childhood. Then in the Last Jedi we found out that the final straw was him waking up to Luke about to kill him.

I don't think they need to explain more than that in the films, but in the books they do explain even more. In Bloodline it goes into more detail about Snoke's manipulation - Leia could sense Snoke manipulating her son even while she was pregnant with him. So it sounds like it was a long term manipulation similar to Palpatine and Anakin Skywalker.

Also in Bloodline it talks about the galaxy finding out that Leia was Vader's daughter - this was something kept secret for years, and Ben Solo himself didn't find out until he was in his 20s when that info was leaked. He was pissed at his family for hiding that info from him.

  

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148. "oh that's some wild shit"
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>Also in Bloodline it talks about the galaxy finding out that Leia was Vader's daughter - this was something kept secret for years, and Ben Solo himself didn't find out until he was in his 20s when that info was leaked. He was pissed at his family for hiding that info from him.


how old was he supposed to be when he was training with luke?

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151. "He was 23 when he found out about Vader"
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And was already training with Luke at that point. They haven't given the entire timeline on when he would have started training, but it was likely late teens or early 20s right before he found out. He turned to the dark side 5-6 years before TFA so it would have been very soon after he found out about Vader since he's supposed to be around 30 at the time of TFA.


>how old was he supposed to be when he was training with luke?
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157. "Thanks. A few things/questions"
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>As mentioned above, in TFA Leia told Han that Snoke had been
>manipulating Ben Solo since childhood. Then in the Last Jedi
>we found out that the final straw was him waking up to Luke
>about to kill him.
>

Yeah I forgot about that in TFA. I also just figured it would be
more complex than that.

How did you feel about the Luke thing?

>I don't think they need to explain more than that in the
>films, but in the books they do explain even more. In
>Bloodline it goes into more detail about Snoke's manipulation
>- Leia could sense Snoke manipulating her son even while she
>was pregnant with him. So it sounds like it was a long term
>manipulation similar to Palpatine and Anakin Skywalker.

I guess. You know Star Wars better than I do, but didn’t
Annakin eventually turn cuz he thought his wife was
going to die?

I guess I expected something similar here. I mean,
dude was raised by our childhood heroes- I figured
there’d be something more to him going evil than
being tricked, ya know?

Just seems like ‘oh snoke got to him, oh well’ is
kind of a cop out.

And I can see someone saying ‘well, we didn’t get
Vader’s whole story either’

True, but these are sequels, right? Well, that is how
how they are billed- but really, they are reboots.


>
>Also in Bloodline it talks about the galaxy finding out that
>Leia was Vader's daughter - this was something kept secret for
>years, and Ben Solo himself didn't find out until he was in
>his 20s when that info was leaked. He was pissed at his family
>for hiding that info from him.

Interesting. See this would be a lot more original way
to take these new movies than just renaming ‘rebels’
resistance and basically hitting reset.

Kind of hit me that I don’t like these movies because they
are a) retreads/reboots in disguise and b) basically they
just undo everything our childhood heroes accomplished,
ya know? Shit is kind of depressing b. My inner child wept
haha. Little stadiq thought the good guys won!

Just feel like they could have come up with something
more interesting/original than rebels/resistance,
Empire/first order, and more dead/failing Jedi.

People think Rey Skywalker would have been a retread,
but the whole damn thing is a retread.

And this book you mention- that’s a cool idea to
explore that wouldn’t have been a retread- how does
the galaxy react when they find out Vader’s identity?
Instead, it’s the same major beats.

And these days each movie sequel is ‘the stakes get even
bigger’ - so now there’s what, 20 people left? These flick
have made Star Wars feel smaller to me not larger if
that makes sense.

Don’t get me wrong, Rian did some cool things here
but it’s still Empire remixed featuring some scenes
from return of the Jedi- just with new twists.

Oh, I’m also salty there’s been no lando. I thought
for sure he’d show up at the end to help- thought
he’d get leia’s Code or whatever.



  

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159. "The main thing with most of your points is the fact that this is 30 "
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years later. If this sequel trilogy happened right after ROTJ then it would make sense to pick up right where our childhood heroes left off l, as triumphant victors. But when the story picks up 30 years later it makes sense for them to be in a different place.

I loved Luke’s story in this. Specifically the Kylo incident. We first hear his POV which was biased heavily - in that flashback we don’t even see him with his saber. Then we hear Kylo’s POV which made Luke look evil as heck trying to kill him. Then later he admits the truth to Rey and we get something in the middle, with him reluctantly ignighting his saber. All 3 stories were true, but the bias/POV make them totally different. (I could also go into how we also see Snoke, Kylo, and Rey having visions of the same future event happening also with 3 different but true perspectives, but that’s another point.)

  

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146. "Josh Topolski presents the most idiotic views, all in one podcast "
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYI2bPA2EOo

He's arguing that it differs to much (where it should have stayed the same) and that it's too much of the same (it should have been different.)

Also - this is the very first Star Wars movie for him where character development is weak and that has logical holes.

I don't think he's anti-woman or white-power - so this is just a collection of really bad opinions - all of which he has an absolute right to hold - but are very stupid

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147. "they're so bad that you watched and shared"
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149. "To be fair TO ME"
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I subscribe to his podcast and listen to many of them.

This came on while I was hiking and I made it through 15 minutes of it and thought of you - so I shared it with you.

This is the RJCC forum, right??

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150. "I have no idea what this is a refutation of."
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154. "Space"
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and Time.

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172. "lulz"
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162. "2.5 to 3 star film."
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It's not a bad film at all. Those nerds petitioning are just doing what they do.....act entitled over something that's not their property.

I really don't like the start of this film and the last 30 minutes either. The last thirty minutes could've been cut. This film had pretty much reached it's conclusion after the final space battle. Having Luke project himself into a battle with Kylo Ren and then fade away was pretty pointless to me. And another flaw I'm seeing with this film is that you never get the feel that the events of this film truly matter in the grander scheme of things. No one came to the Resistance's rescue. It almost feels like the Resistance and the First Order are fighting a war that's really just a feud. From a plot perspective, so much of this film comes off silly on screen to me. Leia force sucking herself back on to the ship actually took me out of the movie for a couple of minutes. Besides....how is it that these ships can always be hit somewhere when they have shields? I could probably neg the film more but those are my main criticisms.

On to the good stuff...

Everything the film had to say about duality and the gray area between good and evil worked excellently and shouldn't have been abandoned by the ending. Basically, Kylo and Rey part ways with the same power dynamic they had before. The only thing that changed were that they both became more clear about their true motivation.

The more I think about this film, the more I'm beginning to see Kylo as the actual hero. Traditions and expectations are his true enemies not Jedis. His points about shattering both the Resistance and the First Order were valid. I really wish Rey took Kylo up on his truce although it's obvious why she wouldn't. Sidenote: Is it me or are the scenes in Snoke's chamber the best scenes in the film by far?

Finn and Rose's story was cool. Even though it was fairly contained, I can always appreciate films that take the time to give their supporting characters full arcs. I feel like I learned a lot about Rose and her sister in an incredibly short amount of time. The casino scenes were ehhhh.....a little preachy but not bad because we got Benecio del Fucking Toro as a payoff. His character is dope. He dropped a couple of gems and split.



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163. "eh, Kylo did murk his dad tho"
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>The more I think about this film, the more I'm beginning to
>see Kylo as the actual hero. Traditions and expectations are
>his true enemies not Jedis. His points about shattering both
>the Resistance and the First Order were valid. I really wish
>Rey took Kylo up on his truce although it's obvious why she
>wouldn't.

I really dug the appeal he made to Rey - basically, that it's all horse shit. For now, with Snoke dying, Kylo Ren goes into 9 as the Big Bad of the last chapter, and I think that's cool. That kid's an unstable twerp man, it's going to be fun to see what he does as the "Supreme Leader". But you aren't that far off - it's pretty clear he'll be redeemed at some point. He was probably going to save Leia in 9, but now I imagine he just saves Rey.


>Sidenote: Is it me or are the scenes in Snoke's
>chamber the best scenes in the film by far?

best looking set piece in any Star Wars movie ever, save for maybe Luke vs Vader in Empire

  

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165. "Rian took Kylo’s words to heart: Fuck the past "
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The main theme was so damn good - it’s not a “bloodline” that makes you special, anyone can be the one who brings balance to the force. Like Luke said - if the force is in all of us and around all of us, then it shouldn’t only be the “Jedi” who are asked to use it and canonized for it.

The fact that many dislikes are coming from what people assumed or expected makes what Rian did all that much better: he flipped so many of the basic SW cliches.

Lastly, the Ren-Kyle-Snoke scene and ensuing battle may be my 2nd fav of the series- 2nd only to the twin suns on Tatooine

So good technically and thematically. Haven’t been enveloped in a SW cinematic experience to this degree for a very long time.

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168. "exactly, ESB unbalanced it."
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this restores it.


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167. "is it true there aren't any lightsaber duels at all?"
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like...wtf? the last luke skywalker movie and folks don't even get to see him kick some ass one last time?

  

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169. "I felt like the throne room fight gave me all the sabering"
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I wanted to see, but idk.

if you have like a minute count and specifically want duels you'd probably be better off watching RotJ

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170. "i take that as a yes"
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i'm most definitely skipping this one and give the phantom menace a rewatch for the darth maul fight alone

  

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171. "Would have been a decent troll post"
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As a real thought, no ranking.

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173. "I'd put the throne room fight over the Darth Maul fight...."
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The Darth Maul fight was tense but, the battle in Snoke's throne room was just beautiful.
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175. "HONEST question: Really??"
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>The Darth Maul fight was tense but, the battle in Snoke's
>throne room was just beautiful.

Say what you will about Phantom Menace but the combination of Darth Maul's acrobatic ability, the crazy (and first) use of choral music, the loss of a character followed by an interruption to the fight, and the final bifurcation of Maul was probably the best part of that film.

I honestly thought that the Snoke battle was super stiff and lame, including the light saber toss. (The battle for the light saber at the end was pretty cool.)

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176. "Good points on Darth Maul fight"
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>>The Darth Maul fight was tense but, the battle in Snoke's
>>throne room was just beautiful.
>
>Say what you will about Phantom Menace but the combination of
>Darth Maul's acrobatic ability, the crazy (and first) use of
>choral music, the loss of a character followed by an
>interruption to the fight, and the final bifurcation of Maul
>was probably the best part of that film.
>
>I honestly thought that the Snoke battle was super stiff and
>lame, including the light saber toss. (The battle for the
>light saber at the end was pretty cool.)

  

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178. "I totally forgot about how good that music was...."
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I might be geeking off how much I loved the Throne fight but I do think the actual fight was better staged.
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180. "Yup Darth Maul fight def the GOAT"
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The way it ended sucked but it was incredible throughout. Not sure how they got that so right and everything else so wrong in those movies

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182. "Loved the throne room fight but I agree 100%"
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>Say what you will about Phantom Menace but the combination of
>Darth Maul's acrobatic ability, the crazy (and first) use of
>choral music, the loss of a character followed by an
>interruption to the fight, and the final bifurcation of Maul
>was probably the best part of that film.

It's the only *GREAT* moment in the movies and deserves a space in the pantheon of all time badass fight scenes period. While the Snook fight was wallpaper coming to light the staging of the Maul fight was genius the two on ones, having them artificially separated by light-shields, the way one of the characters died and they glared at each other across said light-shields...the subtle ways Maul used the force...etc.

  

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185. "I just saw it for a second time - Snoke throne room fight is awful"
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Snoke, Rey and Kylo until the big reveal/Snoke death are all great.

But the guards and subsequent fight is slow, real slow.

Not like "These guys are so strong they're going to go slow and simply over power Kylo and Rey" but like "These guys can't see shit and we had the second unit director from Mighty Morphing Power Rangers come in a direct it."

I know this is supposed to be when we think Rey and Kylo might have both turned to the same side and they beginning to trust each other, and for the subsequent lightsaber the struggle is the pay off, but it's just bad IMHO.

I think the idea of this fight is way better than the fight itself.

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186. "Nah that fight is dope stop it "
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188. "THANK you"
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It feels like a rehearsal for the final fight. Like everyone is going half-speed. And the three guys fighting Kyko are taking turns, attacking one at a time. It's not good. I understand the setting is different and the build up feels like it should be amazing but the actual fight is in slow motion.

  

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196. "Yep I agree with all of this"
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223. "I get your point"
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But wouldn't you be hella hesitant when the boss man gets murked and you're a subordinate?

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191. "How anyone could call that awful is beyond me"
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187. "as dope as the Maul fight was, i didn't care"
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it's clearly the best part of phamtom menace, but I didn't care about anyone involved. We knew Obi would be fine. Did anyone actually care about Qui Gon Jin?? If anything, i was bummed we lost Darth Maul because he was one of the only not shitty things in that movie

>Say what you will about Phantom Menace but the combination of
>Darth Maul's acrobatic ability, the crazy (and first) use of
>choral music, the loss of a character followed by an
>interruption to the fight, and the final bifurcation of Maul
>was probably the best part of that film.

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195. "The throne room fight did seem slow and stiff plus and be honest"
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We also all knew that with Snope now dead that Ren and Kylo were not in any real danger of dying in that scene.

  

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198. "...did you ever think ren or rey would die?"
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they're the STARS OF THE MOVIE.



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199. "No I didn’t think they would die, I was responding to the comment "
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Above where the poster criticized the Darth Maul fight because he knew Obi Wan wasn’t going to die by simply stating that we also knew that Rey and Ren wouldn’t die in this fight scene as well.

  

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200. "That's a fair point. I still cared nothing about Qui Gon Jinn lol"
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in contrast, the Obi Darth fight in IV wasn't much fight-wise, but it was a big deal when Obi goes down.

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210. "Correct. Balletic moves don't matter if I don't give a fuck."
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In the throne room, I gave intense, intense fucks.

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184. "i liked it a lot. i think it will depend a lot on ix."
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my biggest problem with vii and this is that the galaxy feels really small. space isn't empty but things are close together, so han and chewie just happen to be in the neighborhood, adepts can force skype, starkiller can take out the republic with one shot, a resistance that's out of resources can send a shuttle to hop to grab a dude, come back, and then hop down to a moon.

i think one of the least appreciated things about empire is that the galaxy does feel big and empty, and the power of the empire is that it does have the resources to send all those droids out looking for hoth, disrupt lando's fiefdom on cloud city, etc. and there's still room in that universe for yoda to be all alone on dagobah. the ending of empire through the last shot still gives me chills (the one bit of nostalgia i wish was in this one would have been just to end it with the last shot in the falcon).

the reason i didn't like the prequels is that it did try to build out the galaxy, but it all focused in on the skywalker clan to the point that the people in the galaxy didn't matter. i feel like rogue one and the animated series did great work in rectifying that, but i'm nervous about whether they can pull it off with the tent-pole films.

i did not like how snoke got got, but the next 15 minutes were probably the best star wars has ever been for me. it was epic space shit and laser sword fighting.

i liked the planet and what they did with luke there. i do think they would have played it differently with the fate of the twins if not for the timing with carrie fisher's passing.

i get the casino/benicio/boy...but i do with it could have been executed better. that part reminded me too much of the special editions and prequels. but maybe it needs to be on the nose for the kids.

  

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190. "Saw it again - more thoughts "
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This film is all about legends and hope. Hope is referenced so many times - from the opening crawl to the end with the kid -- that it’s what this film is really it is about. They must say the word hope 30 times. And legend at least 3. So this might be about finding hope in legends that does not end up with hero worship or

I still don’t know if “balance” the way the talk about it is just stupid or really fucking stupid. It’s literally “if something is good then something exactly its opposite is bad.” Like the 3rd law of Force dynamics. That means a trend line toward good means the universe has to create an equal amount of bad… so Entropy is an active charather somehow?? (Maybe I should start taking drugs.)

Rey’s emergence from the dark place with the water was such an example of Rian’s directing and visual style that I think it could have been in Looper.

The Porg’s Valkerie cry would have been so fucking awesome if it was not ruined by the trailer (a trailer that you could not avoid seeing.) It wasn’t as bad as the “One Night At McCools” trailer (and how the funniest part of that film was ruined by it) but it wasn’t good either.

Right before R2 played the holo recording I thought “Hey, if I was R2 I’d really fuck with Luke by playing the Leia hologram.” And then he played it.

I like that Leia got to stunned Poe in the same way she was stunned by troopers in Star Wars.

Leia’s emergence from the dust/haze after a ship door explodes really mirrors Darth Vader’s entrance in Star Wars.

The talk about the resistance’s suicide bombings (1 successful, the other stopped before completion) is fucking lame. These were acts taken during a battle and only against the other side’s military - trying to stretch them to say they could be used by terrorist as examples is lame.

If someone invents the autopilot in that galaxy they’d be a millionaire.

Phasma is even lamer on the second viewing. I hope she stays dead and the replace her with the Fantanas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F614uU3DsqM#t=18s

Still hated the fight in the throne room - and agree it looked like a rehearsal. take

I think Hamill was great in this - really think his acting was much much improved over the other movies.

Leia in space still didn’t bother me.

When Kylo and Rey were talking over the distance he says something like “Are you doing this? Of course not the effort would kill you” or some such - so he knows this is an ability that some people have.

I took note: Hamill on the salt planet has less grey, a shorter trimmed beard, and does not leave the red/mineral marks on the ground. He (looked like a 15 years ago Kenny Loggins.)

I saw the Jedi texts when Finn is getting Rose a blanket this time - I missed them the first time.

I think Kylo was manipulating Rey about her parents in the same way Snoke was manipulating him.

Still have no idea what the infinite Reys scene was about.

Love those space nuns on the island .

The way the rocks levitated and then moved out of the way at the end - it really had that motion from Looper to it.

Sound was great - but my OLED TV looks better. I think we have a Dolby Cinema in San Diego now - I need to check it out - because the blacks were pretty grey where i saw it.

I don't get the hate for the Finn/Rose/Vegas/Del Toro sequences - it's pretty simple - they have a daring plan to save the fleet and humanity and it fails. That seems to be the reason for it - to show that sometimes things do not work out.

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192. "this is hilarious"
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193. "flawed, but striking at its best."
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the hyperspace kamikaze shot, the opening bomber run, and the blood red salt at Crait -- that's everything I ever want from Star Wars at its peak.

I still love Rey, glad Poe got more time, thought Finn was wasted, it was time to move on from Leia, Hamill was great, the Rey-Kylo stuff was very good but I will never agree with the casting of Adam Driver. Kylo Ren died for me when he took off his mask in The Force Awakens. BB8 is great, but he was too much of a deus ex machina here -- basically became the go-to bail-out for everyone.

overall enjoyable, yet somehow less than the sum of its parts. maybe because the ending was neither classic Star Wars fairytale nor cliff-hanger.

and Leia force-floating through space was stupid. the idea is stupid, it looked stupid, and it spawned nothing interesting but stupid debates.

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201. "Also--did anyone notice o'girl from Chewing Gum? "
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She was part of the Resistance. She was only in it for like a quick second, but she's definitely recognizable.

I thinl Rian Johnson must be a fan of the show. She had like one line, I can't imagine Michaela Coel had to audition for that shit.

Maybe someone here already mentioned it. I just thought it was a fun little cameo slipped in that probably went unnoticed by like 80% of audiences...

  

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202. "Second viewing: the nerds have a point"
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Disclaimer: I was in an awful mood when I saw it. Too much family.

Anyway, as a stand alone movie this is dope, dope, dope. If the characters had no history prior to this movie—if this was the first installment of a series—sure.

However, combined with Episode 7 and as part of the larger Star Wars story, it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. It renders most of 7 useless and pointless, since 8 gleefully subverts or ignores everything that film set up. Given how average 7 is, that isn’t the worst thing, but it does mean that these 3 aren’t going to feel as connected as the previous two trilogies did.

Plus, there’s just too much in the story that is unexplained and/or seems implausible. How did the First Order obliterate the Resistance so quickly? Why is Rey so powerful with no training?

Finally, a true old man comment: there’s just way too much going on in this movie. Fewer plot points with more development of the ones that remain, please.

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203. "to each their own"
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>However, combined with Episode 7 and as part of the larger
>Star Wars story, it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. It
>renders most of 7 useless and pointless, since 8 gleefully
>subverts or ignores everything that film set up. Given how
>average 7 is, that isn’t the worst thing, but it does mean
>that these 3 aren’t going to feel as connected as the
>previous two trilogies did.
>
See I liked this. 7 just felt like a soft reboot of A New Hope. So Ep 8 subverting it was the best way of saving it from just being a repeat of Empire Strikes Back.

>Plus, there’s just too much in the story that is unexplained
>and/or seems implausible. How did the First Order obliterate
>the Resistance so quickly? Why is Rey so powerful with no
>training?
>
I actually liked these parts too. First it established that the First Order unlike the Empire is no joke. They are a huge military force with plenty of resources and more than strong enough to wipe out the significantly smaller, less powerful Resistance. It made the stakes higher whereas in the OG movies beating the Empire never really seemed in doubt.

As for Rey, I think the whole movie and part of Ep 7 was establishing how much raw power she has. In fact doesn't Luke outright say that? In fact I think that's what Rey and Kylo have in common. A scary amount of raw, unfocused power. And let's be honest, even in A New Hope Luke was able to blow up the Death Star using the force after very little training (in fact, isn't it just one scene of him in the Falcon sparring with a blast shield on?).

>Finally, a true old man comment: there’s just way too much
>going on in this movie. Fewer plot points with more
>development of the ones that remain, please.

Frank kind of pointed it out, and on my second viewing I agreed: there's a lot going on, but it ALL is to develop the main theme that the little nobody can be the hero. You've got Snoke, Kylo, Leia, Luke all seeming to be the major forces at work in the war...but then it's the little guys that step up and try to save the day: Ren, Finn, Rose, Poe, etc. You have the First Order on one hand, the Resistance on the other, and the rich profiting off of both...but then the underdogs come up to take the lead. I think it was intentionally all a changing of the guard.

I also imagine people had the same problem with Empire. Luke with Yoda, Han and Leia, Han and Lando. Luke's heritage...

  

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216. "Exactly. Both Luke and Snoke outright address it."
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>As for Rey, I think the whole movie and part of Ep 7 was
>establishing how much raw power she has. In fact doesn't Luke
>outright say that? In fact I think that's what Rey and Kylo
>have in common. A scary amount of raw, unfocused power.

Luke says that he's only seen that raw power once before in Ben Solo. Snoke says that he knew that as Kylo grew stronger, his counterpart on the light side would also grow stronger - darkness rises and light to meet it. He says he thought it would be Luke but it ended up being Rey. Which plays right into what Snoke said to Kylo in Force Awakens - "There's been an awakening, have you felt it?"

All of this builds on the overall Star Wars narrative of what "balance in this Force" really means. Luke cut himself off from the Force when Ben turned into Kylo. So when Kylo grew in darkside power, the Force had to find another light side counterpart to stay in balance. The same idea happens all over the history of Star Wars - Snoke likely grew in power to balance Luke after ROTJ. Before that, Luke's powerful rise was likely to balance Palpatine/Vader in the OT, especially once Kenobi and Yoda were gone. Even in the prequels - the Jedi were at the height of their power while Palpatine was growing in power in the darkside in secret.

  

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209. "Honest question: how does this movie depart from 7?"
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As someone who just rewatched 7 after watching 8, I was actually stunned how much of it connected perfectly with 7 in terms of theme, narrative, and character arc. Most of the stuff I've seen nerds complaining about were things that weren't actually *in* the movie, they were just endlessly debated/theorized things that didn't pan out as debated/theorized. There's no suggestion that we know Snoke from the past. There's no suggestion that Rey's parents were important people/people we knew. There's nothing in 8 that undoes or counteracts the vision Rey has at Maz Kanata's in 7. And 7 starts setting up the idea that anyone could be force-sensitive, not just the Skywalkers or important Jedis-- 8 just makes that point more explicitly.

I've heard a lot of people say that it bails on what 7 set up... but I don't really see how. I'd be interested in specifics. Maybe I'm just missing something... but I literally just saw both back to back (8 then 7) and thought they honestly tied together even better than I expected.


>However, combined with Episode 7 and as part of the larger
>Star Wars story, it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. It
>renders most of 7 useless and pointless, since 8 gleefully
>subverts or ignores everything that film set up. Given how
>average 7 is, that isn’t the worst thing, but it does mean
>that these 3 aren’t going to feel as connected as the
>previous two trilogies did.

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217. "It departed from everyone's theories AFTER Force Awakens. "
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Rian Johnson was writing Last Jedi as Force Awakens was being completed. And I've read a bunch of people upset about that, as if he was writing Last Jedi without knowing what was gonna happen in TFA. That doesn't make any sense- the story for TFA had long been done and they were in post. Rian Johnson even had JJ change a couple things in TFA specifically for the setup for Last Jedi. (I believe that JJ originally had BB8 ging with Rey and Chewie to get Luke instead of R2, but Rian wanted BB8 to stay with Poe and wanted R2 to help convince Luke to get involved.)

So when JJ had the story for TFA he didn't think everyone would be clamoring to find out who Rey's parents were. Maz Kanata specifically told Rey they she knew that her parents weren't coming back for her and that her destiny was in the future, not the past. They didn't anticipate there being hundreds of Snoke theories all over the internet. The main question that Force Awakens left was about Luke - why was he isolating himself from the world? TFA was all about the search for Luke. The opening crawl for TFA started with "Luke Skywalker is missing". He was the MacGuffin of the entire film. And it ends on a literal cliffhanger once he is found. The Last Jedi follows this up and answers those questions about Luke.

  

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211. "this doesn't make any sense."
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The idea that 7 "set up" anything other than the return of Luke just means you didn't watch 7.


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212. "RE: Second viewing: the nerds have a point"
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>>>Plus, there’s just too much in the story that is unexplained and/or seems implausible. How did the First Order obliterate the Resistance so quickly? Why is Rey so powerful with no training?


if this is implausible, I advise you to watch the original trilogy, where Luke is immediately capable of murdering anyone short of darth vader, the most powerful jedi of all time, without any training.


also, if you watched that shit at all, then you realize that the "training" was to stop getting in the way of his own ability and trust it. it's not some special 10,000 hours shit.

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213. "I'm saying though"
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Luke starts off Return of the Jedi being all kinds of strong with the Force. The movie never actually explains how he got that good, only we know that he didn't do it by going back to finish his training with Yoda.

I'm sure this gap was explained in one of the many books out there, but just going along with the movies, you have to assume that he just figured shit out on his own.

I mean he didn't really fight with a light saber at all in A New Hope, yet after like two scenes of training with Yoda in Empire, he battles with Darth Vader, the most powerful Jedi ever. And yeah he got his ass kicked, but he held his own for a little while.

It's just crazy to me how there is sooo much to pick at with the OG trilogy, but somehow people gave it a pass, yet are crying up a storm over this new movie.

  

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215. "niggas need to quit eating them Memberberries"
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204. "it was basically "Empire" and "Jedi" retold. "
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I'm surprised that nobody seems to want to admit that.

I enjoyed it, but there were a lot of times I wondered "does nobody else see that this scene is ripped from "Jedi"?



and that 'flying Leia' shit? Naw, man. Just...naw.


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214. "the flying leia scene just LOOKED dumb"
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like really really dumb

didnt see anything wrong w/ her being able to force pull herself back to the ship tho.

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218. "I agree with this - the way it was shot looked awkward as heck."
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But it was absolutely not some crazy unbelievable Force power that let her do it. I posted this in GD, but here's a clip from Star Wars Rebels with Kanan doing the same thing after being pushed into the vacuum of space. It's the same force pull power that Leia used, but this looks way more believable the way it was "shot":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZTZQgBKGKg

  

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220. "agreed "
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All this time I've been hoping a movie would address the fact that she has access to the Force beyond just sensing shit about Luke every now and then.

But yeah in execution it didn't look so great.

That's one of the few moments of the movie where when people complain about it, I can't really argue.

  

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219. "The ROTJ reference seemed pretty deliberate..."
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>I'm surprised that nobody seems to want to admit that.

The Rey and Kylo conversation in the elevator was almost a word for word rip of the Vader Luke convo in ROTJ, and the similarities didn't stop there. But I think it was a pretty deliberate way of leading the audience into thinking it would go one way but end up going another.

I actually think it was even more creative than that. Based on all the Kylo and Rey conversations, then all the ROTJ callbacks, the audience is thinking that either Kylo will turn, help Rey, and join the "good guys" or Rey will turn and join the "bad guys". I would have NEVER predicted Kylo killing Snoke, joining with Rey to kill the guards, but then both of them leaving with Kylo taking Snoke's place and Rey being firmly against him.

You also have the added creativity of Kylo, Rey, and Snoke all having seen visions of what would happen, and all three of those visions being accurate, but all three of them making incorrect assumptions.

  

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221. "yup. While telling you the characters and themes in both were wrong, lol"
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222. "Ummm there's call backs the more than 2 movies"
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Nobody has denied that. But saying it's just a rehash is lazy. There's a few moments of fan service but direct beats of two entire movie plots? Stop it.
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224. "Hated it."
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225. "which tells you everything you need to know"
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226. "Honestly it just felt like they tried to do too much, trying introduce....."
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too many new characters and putting in too many unnecessary scenes.

I'm a OG Star Wars fan, I literally grew up with the franchise. In the original trilogy and even in the prequel trilogy, the stories are mainly based around 3 or 4 main characters and their interactions with each other with other minor characters and the rest of the Star Wars universe in the background.

With the sequel trilogy they tried to merge the stories of the old characters and a whole new cast of characters and resulted in a lot of poor character development plus a lot of pointless WTF shit along with it.

I said after the TFA that I didn't really care to see senior citizen Han Solo and Leia. I grew up and wise-cracking bad ass Han Solo and seeing him as a feeble old man getting murked by his punk ass son just pissed me off. I grew up with young hot spirited Leia not some grumpy old woman.

So for the last Jedi they bring back grumpy old man Luke who spends much the film brooding and milking aliens and catching fish. Then you have Rey one of the new characters introduced who spends much of the film following Luke around. There a lot questions about her past none of which are answered. She spends most of the rest of her time dreaming that she's talking to Kylo Ren but apparently it was Snoke all along.

Kylo Ren is probably the wackest, saddest villain in the history of the franchise. He had no problem running his light saber through Han Solo in TFA but couldn't pull the trigger a ship with Leia on board(more on that bs sequence later) or kill Rey. In TFA he got whooped by Rey, a young ass girl with zero training and could barely handle goofy ass Finn(more on him later) but we're supposed believe he defeated Luke and killed all the other Jedi at the academy?

Then there's Poe aka the new Latino Han Solo in the new all-inclusive Star Wars universe, except he's literally the biggest fuckup in history. He disobey General Leia's orders and got the hold bomber fleet destroyed(how exactly do you "drop" bombs in space is another whole issue), then he thought it was a good idea to send Finn & Rose, 2 of the goofiest mf's on the ship on a secret mission to get the "codebreaker" and sneak on the first order's ship which was doomed from the start and only resulted in them bringing back a random dude that tipped off the bad guys and got even more Resistance peeps killed. Oh yeah their there's whole entire treasonous mutiny he pulled off because he threw a tantrum when the Vice admiral chick didn't tell him all the details of her plans and then afterwards it was like "oh that's ok Poe!"

You got the brother Finn going back forth between a complete buffoon, (the opening scene with him naked in the plastic suit with the water tubes coming out and him flailing around was totally useless) to going on pointless suicide missions only to be saved from himself by the chubby Asian chick. Too bad they killed her sister who seemed like real badass and probably would've been way more interesting.

Yeah then of course there's all the WTF shit like Leia being blown to smithereens on the ship with everybody else on the bridge(btw in later scenes the bridge appears to be magically fully repaired, droids I guess) yet some how she appears floating in space fully intact then awakens and Mary Poppins her way back on the ship. All the badass Jedis and Siths in these films and we've never seen anything like that by Leia who's not even a Jedi just "force sensitive".

Lupita as Maz Kanata is pointless as was the dumbass birds.

What did I like?

Purple hair vice admiral chick going out like a G even though it was fuckup Poe's fault that she had to do it.

I thought it was a joke the Snoke was this all-powerful mind reading master of the force but didn't know Kylo Ren was about to kill him but that still was a bad ass scene and the subsequent fight between Ren & Rey and Snoke's bodyguards was badass as well.

Luke's Jedi hologram trick at the end was pretty dope too. When he appeared to Leia before that apparently that was a hologram too because he never left the island. But didn't he give her Han Solo's golden dice? Not sure how that worked...

overall I felt like it had a lot of potential but could've been done at lot differently, with JJ Abrams taking back over for IX it will be interesting to see how he does...

  

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227. "RE: Honestly it just felt like they tried to do too much, trying introdu..."
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>Luke's Jedi hologram trick at the end was pretty dope too.
>When he appeared to Leia before that apparently that was a
>hologram too because he never left the island. But didn't he
>give her Han Solo's golden dice? Not sure how that worked...
>

IIRC, the dice were left behind in the control room Leia and the resistance were holed up in. Rylo picked up the dice but they disappeared in his hand, so they must have been a projection too.

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228. "LOL."
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229. "RE: LOL."
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i enjoyed the movie, but i agree with many things he pointed out.

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230. "For all you smart dumb niggas who have problems..."
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...with how The Force works (even though the shit has no set "rules") my nigga Rian Johnson got something for y'all:

https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/954398403986731008?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E0

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231. "the troll tho."
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those books aren't canon afaik, but it's wild how people act like he just created some all-new shit

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233. "It is now that he used it in the film."
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232. "It’s officially weird "
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That you and a few others, like RJCC or whatever,
can’t let this go.

Lot of people liked/loved the movie.

Others didn’t- for a variety of reasons.


In a lot of cases it seems like Star Wars fanatics.

In your case, seems like you’re just stanning for your boy.


You aren’t going to change people’s minds. And
those of us who didn’t like it, aren’t wrong for our
opinion.

As far as your force powers point, I could give a
f!ck.

In fact, I thought how Luke went out was one of the
few bright/original spots in the flick.

Too bad the rest of the movie wasn’t as fresh.

Force aside, the flick was a hot mess of some cool ideas,
dope visuals, rehashed stuff, and your boy desperate
to say ‘gotcha!’...

My opinion of course.

But either way, you guys should let it go...

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Just noticed you literally upped every Jedi thread
for this? Yikes.

Yeah man, you care too much what people think of
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234. "You responded so you care too"
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With a lengthy ass post too.

Niggas out here recutting the film to edit out the women making 45-minute versions and nitpicking logically shit cause they don't like it.

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235. "let what go? there's nothing to talk about. "
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236. "Yes every has the right to have bad taste lol "
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We like the movie. You didn't. We have better taste than you. *Shrugs*
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237. "you went from sucking drake's man titties to stanning star wars"
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and calling out other people's "taste" real quick

  

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238. "ok"
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239. "Man the BluRay version is such a difference experience"
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I LOVE IT even more. The quality is just so much better. Fuck.


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242. "These bonus features are great"
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240. "fam this shit was ass. why even have luke skywalker in there?"
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241. "lmao"
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243. "finally saw it. loved it. first Star Wars movie i'd watch again"
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incredibly meta

  

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244. "I didn't love it, I didn't hate it"
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worst of the new Star Wars films, including Solo, but not horrible.

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245. "re-watch opinions?"
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I thought it was flawed but entertaining in theaters. could barely get through two separate repeat viewings.

there are a few cool ideas/scenes but disregarding what you think of Star Wars entirely -- this was not a very good movie at all.

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246. "Completely opposite reaction from you on re-watch."
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I’ve seen it maybe 4 times now and like it more each time— and I *really* liked it the first time. So many beautiful scenes, wonderful dialogue, some cracking action (the throne room is an absolute all-timer), and thematically some of the richest stuff of the series if not the richest. Really enjoy everything about it— I’m hard pressed to complain.

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249. "Agreed. "
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I'm even warming up to Canto Bight (while still thinking it was a misstep).

The Throne room scene to me is the single greatest moment in Star Wars history. It is everything I have ever wanted since the first time I heard tell of Jedi Knights.

I understand a good amount of the complaints about the film, even if I don't agree with them.

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259. "I like the Canto scene, has a good prequel feel to it that i misss"
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where its better executed in 2019 than it was in 1999


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276. "I still like it.... *shrug*"
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274. "As the thread author i decree: This thread must be locked NOW!"
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Okayplayer has it's incels out in full force, lock this thread please.

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277. "^^^^^^^^^^"
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And the other Last Jedi thread needs to be locked too.

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278. "I agree. There is nothing left to say about this below avg movie."
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281. "Two things that won't be tolerated on here:"
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1. Incel shit. You can hate Star Wars, and you can even think SJWs are the reason you hated it, but the second the "plight of the white man in America" shit pops up on here? We're deading it.

2. Threats. Call RJ an asshole if you want (though those back and forths are also exhausting.) But the second you threaten someone on the site, that's done too.

Gonna lock this thread now. Congratulations to all posters involved.

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