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"Game of Thrones (Season 7, HBO)"


  

          

Season 7 Premiere: July 16, 2017


Game of Thrones Season 7: Official Tease: Sigils

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq0B0NVKghA


Game of Thrones Season 7: Long Walk - Official Promo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxWfvtnHtS0

  

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i love how it's cold in the south now
Mar 31st 2017
1
I started watching over the holidays and binge watched it all.
Apr 04th 2017
2
It's the last season right?
Apr 05th 2017
3
No.
Apr 05th 2017
4
2 more including this one
Apr 06th 2017
5
Official Trailer
May 24th 2017
6
came here to post the same thing!
May 24th 2017
7
No, that was Ellaria Sand and Yara Greyjoy
May 24th 2017
9
I'm ready
May 24th 2017
8
gat damn.
May 24th 2017
10
uh where the fuck is Bran
May 24th 2017
11
damn that looks so lit
May 25th 2017
13
It's about to be ON!
May 25th 2017
14
My pops is finally watching GOT.
May 25th 2017
12
Based purely off of conjecture...
May 30th 2017
15
agreed
May 30th 2017
16
I'd like for Arya to be the one that gets Cersei
May 31st 2017
17
RE: I'd like for Arya to be the one that gets Cersei
May 31st 2017
18
I want to see what happens with Baelish...
May 31st 2017
19
      One can hope
May 31st 2017
20
      Arya's got a big ass shitlist n/m
May 31st 2017
21
           That she does
Aug 01st 2017
200
      Sansa ain't ever going to turn on Jon, Littlefinger might have overreach...
Jun 22nd 2017
27
Trailer #2
Jun 21st 2017
22
I don't like the potential implications of that last line.
Jun 21st 2017
23
i'm hoping they are just keeping us on our toes
Jun 22nd 2017
25
dammit man, this wait is eating me up inside
Jun 21st 2017
24
just put it in my veins right now
Jun 22nd 2017
26
Who gets murked out tonight?
Jul 16th 2017
28
Hopefully Little Finger....painfully and slow
Jul 16th 2017
29
just rewatched last season's finale...help me out with this
Jul 16th 2017
30
they used to be Lord Varys' spies
Jul 16th 2017
31
bit of a slow burn for so much hype.
Jul 17th 2017
32
This dude said Sam was the highlight over Arya's scene
Jul 17th 2017
33
haha
Jul 17th 2017
34
tbh the Mission Impossible face mask stuff doesn't do it for me
Jul 17th 2017
35
      Bruh, they have dragons, walking dead Giants and resurrections
Jul 17th 2017
36
           I don't know 'cause I love Face/Off to death
Jul 17th 2017
45
I dunno man
Jul 17th 2017
40
      The Jon - Sansa - Littlefinger dynamic is gonna be great.
Jul 17th 2017
44
      As much as Jon did the right thing and we're supposed to get that
Jul 17th 2017
47
           RE: As much as Jon did the right thing and we're supposed to get that
Jul 17th 2017
48
           The not punishing children for sins of their father line was interesting
Jul 17th 2017
49
                yea, I think he also probably has word how that honor Sansa spoke of
Jul 17th 2017
54
                     It really is going to take both of them together
Jul 17th 2017
66
           I got Sansa's side, but she should have brought it up behind the scenes
Jul 17th 2017
52
           there's a certain naiveté to sansa thinking she knows better
Jul 17th 2017
62
                I'd argue she does see it
Jul 17th 2017
64
                i think jon understands better than her that nobody wins this
Jul 17th 2017
67
                     That's a good point
Jul 18th 2017
69
                     RE: i think jon understands better than her that nobody wins this
Jul 18th 2017
79
                          easily. jon dgaf about a throne
Jul 24th 2017
116
                that said, if she didn't reach out to Littlfinger, they'd all be dead
Jul 18th 2017
78
My apologies for being slow
Jul 17th 2017
37
Lol yes, they were Lannister soldiers
Jul 17th 2017
38
One of those dudes is going to overstep
Jul 17th 2017
39
Yeah, she was sizing up their weapons hella hard
Jul 17th 2017
41
That was the point of the scene really
Jul 17th 2017
42
      EXACTLY
Jul 17th 2017
43
      RE: That was the point of the scene really
Jul 17th 2017
46
Am I the only one who thinks Jon made the inarguably correct
Jul 17th 2017
50
Ultimately, yeah.
Jul 17th 2017
53
yup. 54. n/m
Jul 17th 2017
55
you need alive people to fight dead people
Jul 18th 2017
70
It was ultimately the right choice
Jul 18th 2017
77
I'm assuming Yuron is gonna go after Elia Sand
Jul 17th 2017
51
or not. since i forgot the sandsnakes are with Cersei and them
Jul 17th 2017
56
There were Martell ships sailing with Dany and they hosted
Jul 17th 2017
65
I'm betting Euron going after Yara & Theon
Jul 17th 2017
61
he said something along the lines of a gift dear to Cersei's heart
Jul 17th 2017
63
turns out he said "a priceless gift"
Jul 18th 2017
80
It's going to be the dragon horn
Jul 18th 2017
81
      what's that?
Jul 18th 2017
82
           A horn that can supposedly control dragons
Jul 18th 2017
84
                man, fuck you for making me feel like i asked "what's can opener?"
Jul 18th 2017
87
                     HAHA
Jul 19th 2017
89
well, besides killing Joffrey
Jul 18th 2017
85
      lol true
Jul 18th 2017
86
you and Mynoriti were both right!
Jul 30th 2017
146
Sansa or Tyrion
Jul 18th 2017
71
      trying to see how either is possible
Jul 18th 2017
75
           After thinking about it my money's on the object
Jul 18th 2017
83
it's a small gripe but i hate the way Arya
Jul 17th 2017
57
this is part of my neg reaction to that stuff for me too.
Jul 17th 2017
68
CoSign! Its too Mission Impossible.
Jul 18th 2017
72
it was oddly and poorly executed, which is weird
Jul 19th 2017
88
That Scooby Doo reference
Jul 19th 2017
93
I feel like 99% of the people who watch this show don't understand it
Jul 17th 2017
58
It manages to appeal to all kinds of viewers
Jul 17th 2017
59
Saw an article about Sansa having Cersai's old hairstyle
Jul 17th 2017
60
I skimmed that too. at first I thought it was reaching
Jul 18th 2017
76
Two dueling lines in that were important, I think...
Jul 19th 2017
90
Pardon my ignorance once again
Jul 18th 2017
73
maybe Edmure Tully / riverrun.
Jul 18th 2017
74
Edmuir is the obvious heir.
Jul 19th 2017
92
I'm guessing that's what the approaching Lanister army are doing.
Jul 19th 2017
91
I feel like Olenna's advice to Dany will be foreshadowing
Jul 23rd 2017
94
Always listen to Olenna. Always.
Jul 24th 2017
95
      Olenna is wrong in this case
Jul 24th 2017
99
      Olenna basically got her grandkids killed
Jul 25th 2017
120
Man fuck them for that. What's the fucking point?
Jul 24th 2017
96
I think we see her and them again
Jul 24th 2017
97
I think the point was to show how much Arya has changed
Jul 24th 2017
98
      I grasp the deeper meanings and all
Jul 24th 2017
101
           wouldnt really be GOT if they did that.
Jul 24th 2017
103
           RE: wouldnt really be GOT if they did that.
Jul 24th 2017
112
           Nah. In fact I'd argue they're too far in the other direction
Jul 24th 2017
118
           I think that scene...
Jul 24th 2017
107
           yeah i think nymeria comes back
Jul 24th 2017
109
           Nymeria and Arya are too alike to hang out like that.
Jul 25th 2017
119
"ugh, this Greyworm scene is so lam... whoa nevermind"
Jul 24th 2017
100
hahaha my same reaction
Jul 24th 2017
104
      Between Grey Worm's scene, Varys getting to live
Jul 24th 2017
106
      Nah, it's worth it
Jul 24th 2017
117
           >For me she is the baddest girl around. She's stunning.
Jul 25th 2017
121
So Elaria (and Yara I guess) were
Jul 24th 2017
102
i wasnt the least bit sad to see the sand snakes go
Jul 24th 2017
105
they kept the hottest one alive
Jul 24th 2017
108
agreed
Jul 24th 2017
110
Couldn't tell you shit about the Sand Snakes except which
Jul 24th 2017
111
so Dany lost her entire fleet in the battle with euron?
Jul 24th 2017
113
I dont think that was the whole fleet, just Greyjoy portion
Jul 24th 2017
114
Symbolic and it leaves the Lannisters with nowhere to run to
Jul 24th 2017
115
      seems like if they took over kings landing then taking castlery rock
Jul 26th 2017
122
           There's merit to not wanting to be "Queen of Ashes"... n/m
Jul 26th 2017
123
           welp, now she's got ashes of her own
Jul 26th 2017
130
                If you've got a competitive advantage....
Jul 27th 2017
138
           I do think Dany probably waited too long
Jul 26th 2017
126
           Everyone thinks there are gold mines on Casterly Rock
Jul 26th 2017
129
this still feels like fanfic tho
Jul 26th 2017
124
Its not the writers fault tho; we in the landing phase of the flight
Jul 26th 2017
125
Ending long shows is hard
Jul 26th 2017
128
Euron sure built those ships of his pretty fast haha
Jul 27th 2017
135
      I was thinking the same thing
Jul 27th 2017
136
Yep. It's turned into LOTR with more lots of blood and nudity
Jul 26th 2017
131
They also could not be
Jul 26th 2017
132
I'm hoping against hope....
Jul 27th 2017
137
traditional? naw. it'll be a neat ending. but 6 years of GOT
Jul 27th 2017
141
the tv writers are direct and heavy handed
Jul 26th 2017
133
      pretty much where im at
Jul 27th 2017
143
           they might be more nuanced if they took 10 years
Jul 28th 2017
144
                agreed nm
Jul 28th 2017
145
Also, Greyworm, anyone think they were gonna show it?
Jul 26th 2017
127
I was slightly concerned
Jul 27th 2017
134
I definitely assumed they would.
Jul 27th 2017
142
I expect LittleFinger on the throne and Arya to die as she kills Cersei
Jul 27th 2017
139
Arya heading Norf, though!
Jul 27th 2017
140
"fuck yo couch, nigga" - olenna tyrell
Jul 30th 2017
147
on some....oh by the way, i killed your son
Jul 30th 2017
148
jamie was getting shit on all episode lol
Jul 30th 2017
149
      "finger in the bum?" being his best lol
Jul 31st 2017
150
RIP- Came into and came out of the show like the G she is.
Jul 31st 2017
151
And Jamie now has the proof he didn't know he needed...
Jul 31st 2017
153
Petty on full to the very end, GOAT
Jul 31st 2017
158
Dany is getting dumber and pettier by the episode
Jul 31st 2017
152
I wouldn't say they're stupid... (Tyrion and Dany)
Jul 31st 2017
154
you have to account for the possibility of unknown obstacles/enemies
Jul 31st 2017
155
Easier said than done.
Jul 31st 2017
160
I feel like you're making my point for me
Jul 31st 2017
176
      I feel like you don't understand your own argument.
Jul 31st 2017
177
           yeah, back in S4/S5 people were mad Dany was lingering
Jul 31st 2017
180
           LOL, yup, the show watchers were pissed at Dany in Meereen...
Jul 31st 2017
186
                I've thought about replacing podcasts with the audio books
Jul 31st 2017
187
           lmao take your condescending personal shots and shove them up your ass
Jul 31st 2017
182
                Hey, my bad, I'm not trying to antagonize you.
Jul 31st 2017
185
                     apology accepted. my apologies as well for overreacting. let's move on.
Aug 02nd 2017
218
                          All gravy. Cheers.
Aug 07th 2017
249
Like Littlefinger said to Sansa.
Aug 01st 2017
192
      Easy to say when we're watching from a bird's eye view n/m
Aug 01st 2017
193
Tyrion knows politics and alliance-building
Jul 31st 2017
157
      Grand strategy or military tactics?
Jul 31st 2017
161
           Hindsight is 20/20, but you've got to figure they'll head for The Reach
Jul 31st 2017
163
                Exactly, hindsight is 20/20.
Jul 31st 2017
165
Huge difference is those who have and haven't seen the night king
Jul 31st 2017
168
      RE: Huge difference is those who have and haven't seen the night king
Jul 31st 2017
183
Picture Jon Snow riding the dragon to King's Landing
Jul 31st 2017
156
Wonder if we're going to spend some time in Casterly Rock now
Jul 31st 2017
159
And shout out to Bran, officially now the most frustrating Stark
Jul 31st 2017
162
      he's all spaced out in 3 eyed raven world
Jul 31st 2017
164
      I had an inkling of something when he first saw Sansa...
Jul 31st 2017
166
      RE: I had an inkling of something when he first saw Sansa...
Jul 31st 2017
167
      perfect comparison...
Jul 31st 2017
169
      Yeah, he's been away from people for so long
Jul 31st 2017
170
           RE: Yeah, he's been away from people for so long
Jul 31st 2017
178
      CRINE. what a lil piece of shit
Jul 31st 2017
179
      LOL
Aug 01st 2017
191
Sansa, Bran, and Littlefinger
Jul 31st 2017
171
you think Littlefinger will get his hooks into Bran?
Jul 31st 2017
172
      Good question.
Jul 31st 2017
173
           Yeah, if anything Bran can tip of Sansa because he sees all
Jul 31st 2017
174
                This has long been an interesting quandary for book readers.
Jul 31st 2017
175
                     it makes me wonder for you book readers
Jul 31st 2017
181
                     RE: it makes me wonder for you book readers
Jul 31st 2017
184
                     agreed
Jul 31st 2017
188
                     probably similar to the time travel paradox
Aug 01st 2017
202
                     Agreed
Aug 01st 2017
194
                     What was the implication of the Bran/Night King moment?
Aug 01st 2017
196
                          RE: What was the implication of the Bran/Night King moment?
Aug 01st 2017
197
                          ^^^Yup. Bran is useless plot wise on the show
Aug 01st 2017
198
                          RE: ^^^Yup. Bran is useless plot wise on the show
Aug 01st 2017
199
                          If the mark the Night King gave Bran allows him to break the Wall...
Aug 01st 2017
201
                          Well, Bran knows how they're made/where they come from/etc.
Aug 01st 2017
210
                          It's been a while, and I've only seen the episode once...
Aug 02nd 2017
212
                               RE: It's been a while, and I've only seen the episode once...
Aug 02nd 2017
213
Mi Familia! *Spoilers*
Jul 31st 2017
189
Not many Greyjoys left
Aug 01st 2017
190
True
Aug 01st 2017
195
I love how House Seward didn't even exist until Stannis allowed it
Aug 01st 2017
203
so which fan theories do we think are *definitely* happening?
Aug 01st 2017
204
Dunno if you should throw these out there without a spoiler tag...
Aug 01st 2017
205
Heard one a little bit ago that said (SPOILER maybe?)
Aug 01st 2017
208
      the basic breakdown:
Aug 01st 2017
209
      I'm hesitant to discuss any book theories here....
Aug 02nd 2017
211
           trust. no it's not and everything Dula posted is evident in the show
Aug 02nd 2017
216
The Night King wipes out everyone, only to fall to this guy
Aug 01st 2017
207
When Winterfell Meister said Meister Lewen kept all his raven scrolls
Aug 01st 2017
206
It's funny though
Aug 02nd 2017
214
But he wasn't against the wall this time!
Aug 02nd 2017
215
      haha
Aug 02nd 2017
217
i'm impressed you caught this...ended up being something after all
Aug 15th 2017
352
Does anyone else think Dany could flip out and become the show's villain...
Aug 02nd 2017
219
Episode 4 leaked and omfg
Aug 04th 2017
220
I tried to wait
Aug 04th 2017
221
Holy fuckity fuck
Aug 05th 2017
222
hell yes
Aug 05th 2017
223
      can y'all wait until sunday night to discuss? thanks.
Aug 05th 2017
224
           No one discussed the content of the episode
Aug 05th 2017
225
           no outright spoilers but when you're talking about being glad
Aug 05th 2017
226
                The hobbits win and voldamornis there. My all apologies
Aug 05th 2017
227
                     no need to get defensive and i didnt ask for your apology so chill
Aug 06th 2017
230
           or maybe dont read responses that say Episode 4??
Aug 06th 2017
228
                it was merely a polite request...you can do as you wish
Aug 06th 2017
229
                     true
Aug 06th 2017
231
DROGON SPIT HOT FIYA!!!!
Aug 06th 2017
232
Let Arya ride the goddamn dragons
Aug 06th 2017
233
I think I got lightheaded
Aug 06th 2017
234
lolol your people can't fight - Dothraki dude
Aug 07th 2017
235
As I sit here a half hour before getting ready for work...
Aug 07th 2017
236
Agreed.
Aug 07th 2017
238
      Or Jaime going out in a blaze of glory.
Aug 07th 2017
239
I wonder how powerful those ratings were
Aug 07th 2017
237
It's never been entirely clear, in print or in show...
Aug 07th 2017
240
Joffrey? he was just a kid
Aug 07th 2017
241
RE: It's never been entirely clear, in print or in show...
Aug 07th 2017
246
      You're right, that was in the books.
Aug 07th 2017
250
Im of the belief that Little Finger is responsible in the show
Aug 07th 2017
251
Sorry, but those cave paintings cracked me up
Aug 07th 2017
242
I bet it was young Tarly.
Aug 07th 2017
243
Good point
Aug 07th 2017
244
i like all the Tarlys except the old man
Aug 07th 2017
248
      cause hes all fucking talk
Aug 07th 2017
252
           He's one of the greatest warriors in Westeros
Aug 07th 2017
261
                i was being kinda silly
Aug 07th 2017
265
RE: Sorry, but those cave paintings cracked me up
Aug 07th 2017
245
Oh, good catch
Aug 07th 2017
247
We were joking that Jon drew that shit, then grabbed Dany like hey look!
Aug 07th 2017
253
      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGqYMGNXkAAGjE6.jpg
Aug 09th 2017
299
I'm starting to quetion where Tyrion's loyalty is
Aug 07th 2017
254
Can you imagine if he was pulling something over?
Aug 07th 2017
255
to walk this back a bit, i don't think he's secretly with the Lannisters
Aug 07th 2017
256
      RE: to walk this back a bit, i don't think he's secretly with the Lannis...
Aug 07th 2017
257
           now Jorah has to deal with her making eyes at Jon
Aug 07th 2017
258
           Jon really should bend the knee, though
Aug 07th 2017
259
           Remember Mance Rayder...
Aug 07th 2017
260
           I see what you're saying
Aug 07th 2017
267
                The parallel continues with Mance Rayder...
Aug 08th 2017
283
           I took it as Dany needing to let it go.
Aug 07th 2017
262
           If Jon's top concern is saving his people
Aug 07th 2017
266
                Dany needs it just for political reasons tho; they on the same team
Aug 08th 2017
278
                Bending the knee isn't going to immediately pivot Dany, though.
Aug 08th 2017
286
           I don't think it's his pride. his standing as king is shakey at best
Aug 07th 2017
264
           its a good paradox IMO just by reading the discussion
Aug 07th 2017
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           agreed
Aug 07th 2017
271
           Yup. JON AIN'T TRYING TO GET MURKED AGAIN BY HIS PEEPS
Aug 08th 2017
279
           no... he shouldn't
Aug 09th 2017
303
           we actually don't know if jon hasn't bent the knee.
Aug 07th 2017
263
                That's possible, but I think they'd show it on camera
Aug 07th 2017
268
                Damn, it sure is. I looked it up on YouTube
Aug 07th 2017
274
                For as much as the story emphasizes freedom...
Aug 08th 2017
284
                     unless they bring it back in a flashback to reveal later
Aug 15th 2017
353
                          You're reaching here.
Aug 15th 2017
354
in Tyrion's defense,
Aug 07th 2017
269
Thats how I took it as well
Aug 09th 2017
310
prediction:
Aug 09th 2017
301
      yeah i could see this happening
Aug 09th 2017
311
      Have they referred to the three betrayals prophecy on the show?
Aug 09th 2017
312
           i don't think they have specifically.
Aug 09th 2017
313
                RE: i don't think they have specifically.
Aug 11th 2017
323
Aye questions.
Aug 07th 2017
272
Bran isn't "on the vision pipe". Hell, he's not even Bran anym...
Aug 07th 2017
273
Cersei and Iron Bank guy were talking about hiring The Golden Company
Aug 08th 2017
275
RE: Cersei and Iron Bank guy were talking about hiring The Golden Compan...
Aug 08th 2017
282
Daario is from the Second Sons
Aug 08th 2017
289
      yup. sellsword company.
Aug 09th 2017
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RE: did the loot make it out b4 Drogon torched er'body/thing?
Aug 08th 2017
298
      It's at Kings Landing
Aug 09th 2017
300
RE: Aye questions.
Aug 08th 2017
280
      the Hound and Berric were heading to Eastwatch.
Aug 08th 2017
287
           damn this would be dope
Aug 08th 2017
297
What did Bran say to Baylish before they were interrupted?
Aug 08th 2017
276
"choas is a ladder".
Aug 08th 2017
277
Why was Sansa giving Brienne and Arya the stankface?
Aug 08th 2017
281
I took it as validation....
Aug 08th 2017
285
also a throwback to the dyanmics of their relationship
Aug 08th 2017
288
I was half expecting Sansa to apologize to Arya
Aug 08th 2017
290
she was unsettled at watching Arya fight
Aug 08th 2017
291
      Yup, exactly.
Aug 08th 2017
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           So it's more to do with her concern for Cersei
Aug 08th 2017
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           I don't *think* it has to do with concern for Cersei...
Aug 08th 2017
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           Yeah, I didn't take it to be about Cersei either
Aug 08th 2017
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           I don't think there's any concern for Cersei there at all
Aug 09th 2017
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           But isn't that a good thing?
Aug 08th 2017
294
because brienne is mom now and mom got a new fave
Aug 09th 2017
307
Is the Hound's sword made of Valyrian steel?
Aug 09th 2017
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i didn't think it was
Aug 09th 2017
305
      Wasn't it Ned's sword he took and turned into two swords
Aug 09th 2017
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      Yep, Tywin had Ice reforged into two swords
Aug 09th 2017
308
      alright this lines up with my thinking as well
Aug 11th 2017
319
Side question: Who's the best swordsman in Westeros?
Aug 10th 2017
314
LeBronn ain't losing to any of those cats 1 on 1
Aug 11th 2017
315
Bronn and Jon would be a crazy good fight
Aug 11th 2017
316
If Arya makes the list I'd assume Jaqen would be above her?
Aug 11th 2017
317
Not necessarily. Jaqen didn't train with Syrio Forel
Aug 14th 2017
326
Fuck No
Aug 15th 2017
361
It's an interesting question....
Aug 11th 2017
318
Bronn is definately skilled
Aug 11th 2017
320
We saw Brienne beat the hound so he's off the list
Aug 11th 2017
321
fuck that! he was fighting an infection
Aug 14th 2017
325
Probably Brienne
Aug 11th 2017
322
So John Snow is the true heir to the throne?
Aug 14th 2017
324
I'm not sure
Aug 14th 2017
327
I don't see how.
Aug 14th 2017
329
jon is the first son of the first son of the king
Aug 14th 2017
332
      Yup the fact he is a male would trump Danny.
Aug 14th 2017
335
      Right, it's not like the old succession order is in place anymore
Aug 14th 2017
345
Yes, he's the legitimate grandson to the former king
Aug 14th 2017
341
I really hope Arya's not dumb enough to fall for Littlefinger's trick
Aug 14th 2017
328
But does Littlefinger know she can magically switch faces tho?
Aug 14th 2017
339
      Bran is going to reveal to his sisters that Littlefinger betrayed Ned...
Aug 14th 2017
342
      That would be dope
Aug 14th 2017
343
           It's certainly going to be annoying for an episode
Aug 14th 2017
344
      RE: But does Littlefinger know she can magically switch faces tho?
Aug 15th 2017
351
Anyone else feel like this white walker plot is ridiculous?
Aug 14th 2017
330
it's turrble, but we'll get a dope scene, so...
Aug 14th 2017
331
ya it feels like 100% a way for them to
Aug 14th 2017
333
it's fitting with the previous ill-thought out plans
Aug 14th 2017
334
series needs its heist episode
Aug 14th 2017
336
No written material, this is the crazy shit we get
Aug 14th 2017
337
7 eps bruh
Aug 15th 2017
347
      LOL, that's not my argument at all
Aug 15th 2017
348
I figure its more to prove to everyone that its real
Aug 14th 2017
338
Time is short. The heroes are panicking.
Aug 14th 2017
340
the idea of him "sneaking" into Kings Landing was ridiculous
Aug 15th 2017
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Yeah that was hilarious...most conspicuous character of them all
Aug 15th 2017
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welll...yeah, LOL but this episode had the least plausibility of them al...
Aug 15th 2017
350
      they did that shit to Rob too though
Aug 15th 2017
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           RE: they did that shit to Rob too though
Aug 15th 2017
360
A lot of the plot stuff this season has been bad
Aug 15th 2017
355
its the "Mcnulty fake serial killer" of GoT
Aug 16th 2017
375
I must be watching a different GoT than the rest of y'all
Aug 15th 2017
356
i'm here w/ you. i love it.
Aug 15th 2017
358
oh, we're mostly all still enjoying it, this season is just...sloppier
Aug 15th 2017
359
Yeah i cant believe there are only 2 eps left
Aug 15th 2017
362
I've enjoyed every episode this season immensely
Aug 15th 2017
363
pretty much agree with you but
Aug 15th 2017
364
I'm loving it but i agree with the criticisms of it
Aug 15th 2017
365
man this shit flames. we can still critique here and there.
Aug 15th 2017
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yeah i love this shit
Aug 16th 2017
383
The way Tormund asked about Brienne was hilarious!
Aug 15th 2017
366
Bruh! The one with the dragons or the one fu**s her brother
Aug 15th 2017
367
There is so much comedic gold going beyond the wall.
Aug 15th 2017
368
      Im actually loving the added comedy this season
Aug 15th 2017
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      It's because the Tyrion we're seeing....
Aug 16th 2017
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2 more things - Is Cersei the only woman Jaime has been with?
Aug 15th 2017
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yes
Aug 16th 2017
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Oh come on....
Aug 16th 2017
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      I hear ya.
Aug 16th 2017
385
HBO Spain exhibits sixth episode of "Game of Thrones" ahead of time
Aug 15th 2017
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surely keeping season 7 and 8 to 10 eps would've been better...?
Aug 15th 2017
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RE: surely keeping season 7 and 8 to 10 eps would've been better...?
Aug 15th 2017
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extended eps would make up for it
Aug 16th 2017
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In interviews it just made it sound like they were burned out
Aug 16th 2017
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I'm certain part of the reason....
Aug 16th 2017
380
Plus keeping actors on budget, and wanting to do the spin offs
Aug 16th 2017
384
      ep6 is 1hr11minsish? sumthn like that
Aug 16th 2017
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           Yeah. Episode 7 is 1 hour 21 mins
Aug 17th 2017
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this season had to be insanely expensive
Aug 16th 2017
387
episode six leaked
Aug 16th 2017
377
Please keep all whisper whisper talk out of this thread.
Aug 16th 2017
381
I'm already seeing spoilers pop up in my twitter feed
Aug 16th 2017
386
      Twitter: The Most Dangerous Game©
Aug 16th 2017
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i got extra stoned at 4am beforehand n it was amazeballs
Aug 16th 2017
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EPIC!
Aug 17th 2017
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No two year wait!!!! Shooting starts in October
Aug 18th 2017
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safe to say that the dragons recognize friend vs foe
Aug 20th 2017
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LOL thought the same thing
Aug 20th 2017
396
benjin already dead
Aug 21st 2017
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i knew he wasnt fully alive but had some level of purpose
Aug 21st 2017
401
I figured the horse would be slower with two dudes on it.
Aug 21st 2017
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      Yup. It's flimsy, but reasonable. n/m
Aug 21st 2017
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      Agree
Aug 21st 2017
431
Great action. Really dumb storytelling.
Aug 21st 2017
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Just trying to connect the dots here.
Aug 21st 2017
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Regarding the action
Aug 21st 2017
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This was me.
Aug 21st 2017
419
He said fall back
Aug 21st 2017
432
I'm still trying to figure out how they went thru the gate w/ 7 and then...
Aug 21st 2017
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      RE: I'm still trying to figure out how they went thru the gate w/ 7 and ...
Aug 22nd 2017
436
           These mofos are insufferable. Ha
Aug 22nd 2017
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those faces arya had in her attache case
Aug 21st 2017
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Forgot to mention this for the Loot Train Battle...
Aug 21st 2017
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yeah I've seen it...all the behind the scenes stuff is interesting.
Aug 21st 2017
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RE: those faces arya had in her attache case
Aug 21st 2017
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Gendry can book, man
Aug 21st 2017
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shout out to the ravens too
Aug 21st 2017
428
Someone help me out with this.
Aug 21st 2017
407
Timelines be damned...
Aug 21st 2017
410
The show even re-introduced Gendry
Aug 21st 2017
412
      I think the dragonglass is more than just a plot device...
Aug 21st 2017
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It wasn't made explicit...
Aug 21st 2017
421
Perfect opportunity for a Dragonglass forging montage
Aug 21st 2017
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they all used dragonglass....except for Jon
Aug 21st 2017
433
The Winterfell story is irritating
Aug 21st 2017
409
Dany not listening to Tyrion seems to be a recurring theme...
Aug 21st 2017
411
i gave up on the whole, sisters are playing Little Finger angle
Aug 21st 2017
413
I'm not convinced that Arya isn't playing chess here.
Aug 21st 2017
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      ya i think its certain Arya is playing a game here
Aug 21st 2017
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      refresh my memory please...what was arya and LF's last interaction?
Aug 21st 2017
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      when Arya was working for Tywin
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           got it. thanks.
Aug 21st 2017
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      Yeah, I was right. People were worried for no reason.
Aug 28th 2017
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Starks are dumb
Aug 21st 2017
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      RE: Starks are dumb
Aug 21st 2017
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      RE: Starks are dumb
Aug 21st 2017
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Does Dany/Jon and co. need the Lannister army to battle the dead?
Aug 21st 2017
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Nope.
Aug 21st 2017
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as if the lannisters would take the offensive
Aug 21st 2017
429
I figured it was an all hands on deck situation
Aug 21st 2017
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^^^
Aug 22nd 2017
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I mean, isn't this The Avengers?
Aug 22nd 2017
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an army without dragonglass or dragons doesn't seem all that valuable
Aug 22nd 2017
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      There's still strength in numbers
Aug 22nd 2017
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      Your logic is the easiest way to lose a battle
Aug 23rd 2017
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           RE: Your logic is the easiest way to lose a battle
Aug 24th 2017
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                Cause she has her own agendas and is pure evil BUT
Aug 27th 2017
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                     wait what? there is no truce.
Aug 27th 2017
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                          Didn't She say we will fight with you
Aug 28th 2017
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                               she did initially accept the truce
Aug 28th 2017
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                               i thought it was clear they staged that in advance
Aug 28th 2017
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                               in her exchange with jamie
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                                    I understand the side convo but
Aug 28th 2017
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It doesn't make sense
Aug 22nd 2017
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      It makes sense
Aug 23rd 2017
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           the problem with this plan is that as your soldiers die
Aug 23rd 2017
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                true......but
Aug 24th 2017
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they got me
Aug 27th 2017
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LF fake cried like a little biotch...still didnt work
Aug 27th 2017
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post 27
Aug 27th 2017
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ya he was getting played from the begining
Aug 27th 2017
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^^^^prophet^^^^
Aug 27th 2017
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me too but
Aug 27th 2017
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I think Bran just saved the day and finally let them know
Aug 28th 2017
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      that would make more sense
Aug 28th 2017
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      Sansa giving such intricate details makes it clear Bran told them
Aug 28th 2017
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           yeah but the question is when
Aug 28th 2017
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                I don't think it's actually that important.
Aug 28th 2017
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                     ^yep!^ i agree with all of this here....
Aug 28th 2017
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                     RE: I don't think it's actually that important.
Aug 28th 2017
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                     1000%. It doesn't matter.
Aug 28th 2017
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                     yup you just have to accept it was intentionally left vague
Aug 28th 2017
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                     i disagree with this part
Aug 28th 2017
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                     Littlefinger is just as connected as Varys.
Aug 28th 2017
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                     ehh that's a huge stretch
Aug 28th 2017
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                          We literally just saw Arya and Sansa...
Aug 28th 2017
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                               I'm not talking about those other scenarios. I'm talking about this one
Aug 28th 2017
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                                    Lol, you're so pressed to *believe* that scene is true.
Aug 28th 2017
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                                         pressed? we're just talking
Aug 28th 2017
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                                              It's a legitimate question.
Aug 28th 2017
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                                                   another circle? nah
Aug 28th 2017
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                                                        You haven't answered the question. Cheers.
Aug 29th 2017
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                                                             Lol i'm the one who's pressed, huh?
Aug 29th 2017
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                                                                  I'm actually not.
Aug 29th 2017
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                                                                       the scene with Sansa, and Arya is fine as long as it's not performance
Aug 29th 2017
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                                                                            Sure, that's perfect. I'm good with that.
Aug 29th 2017
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                     Exactly
Aug 28th 2017
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                     Yeah I think it does matter
Aug 28th 2017
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                     not super important but would be nice to know
Aug 28th 2017
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                          I don't disagree...
Aug 29th 2017
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It'll be hilarious
Aug 28th 2017
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      Well that's her cousin
Aug 28th 2017
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cersei and the lannister army was never going to head north
Aug 28th 2017
465
Theon's going to die saving Yara
Aug 28th 2017
466
Why was Tyrion lurking like that in the cut outside Dany's room?
Aug 28th 2017
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That was my big question after the show...
Aug 28th 2017
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He's jealous, duh.
Aug 28th 2017
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either he's worried about losing influence or that whole talk
Aug 28th 2017
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Wonder if he knows the truth about Jon
Aug 28th 2017
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RE: Wonder if he knows the truth about Jon
Aug 28th 2017
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      There have to be people who have suspicions right?
Aug 28th 2017
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Unlike the majority of the other folks
Aug 28th 2017
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yeah, i think he just feels like it will complicate shit more
Aug 28th 2017
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      For better or for worse, Tyrion thinks he's top shelf material
Aug 28th 2017
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           ya if cersei betrays them
Aug 28th 2017
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Because he probably made a deal with Cersei
Aug 28th 2017
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      Pretty sure you have read the books... Right?
Aug 28th 2017
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      Yep, read the books.
Aug 28th 2017
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           y'all mind breaking it down
Aug 28th 2017
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                In the Books it has not been revealed Jon is a Targaeryn, but
Aug 29th 2017
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                Ok... MAJOR SPOILERS HERE
Aug 29th 2017
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                     In addition to this... ^^^
Aug 29th 2017
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      Doesn't Tyrion know Dany can't have children?
Aug 28th 2017
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      But he also knows that there's a chance that she's wrong
Aug 28th 2017
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      ^^ astute ^^
Aug 29th 2017
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      Damn, this is a great theory.
Aug 29th 2017
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      You know I kinda thought there could be more to their convo
Aug 29th 2017
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      How would Tyrion be able to unilaterally enforce such a thing?
Aug 29th 2017
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      This is my new favorite theory too.
Aug 30th 2017
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What say you folks:
Aug 28th 2017
483
The thing with Jon being dead he's different
Aug 28th 2017
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She knows
Aug 28th 2017
501
Any thoughts on why The Mountain didnt kill Jaimie?
Aug 28th 2017
502
I guess FrankenMoutain knew she was bluffing too
Aug 28th 2017
506
really. shit i kinda forgot he was The Hounds bro
Aug 28th 2017
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frankenmountain has shown he's pretty good at reading a room
Aug 29th 2017
515
my question is..when Jaimie said "I dont believe you"...
Aug 29th 2017
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i assumed he meant the former but it works both ways
Aug 29th 2017
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      So did i, even though Jaime's had resting pearl clutch face
Aug 29th 2017
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So what is Jamie's move now?
Aug 29th 2017
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      There's nothing for him in King's Landing anymore
Aug 29th 2017
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      Definitely should create some great drama between him and Dany.
Aug 29th 2017
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           I don't think it will
Aug 29th 2017
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                Tyrion didn't kill Dany's dad, though.
Aug 30th 2017
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                     RE: Tyrion didn't kill Dany's dad, though.
Aug 30th 2017
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                     She also has admitted that her Dad was crazy
Aug 30th 2017
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                     both her and Jon should want to kill his ass
Sep 02nd 2017
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      What's that Jaime/Bran reunion gonna look like?
Aug 29th 2017
524
      oh damn...i didn't even think about that
Aug 29th 2017
526
           i don't remember either
Aug 29th 2017
529
                He may just get got by a random northerner to be honest
Aug 29th 2017
547
      the easiest remaining option for him
Aug 29th 2017
528
It's pretty comical
Aug 29th 2017
530
My personal theory....
Aug 29th 2017
531
i was gonna ask why rescuing ellaria sand
Aug 29th 2017
534
Bronn's gonna free Tyene Sand and run off with her
Aug 29th 2017
536
They play such a small role in the overall narrative.
Aug 29th 2017
537
Tyene is dead by now and im not sure anyone knows her mom is down there
Aug 29th 2017
542
They said right after that aired that the story line was dead for the se...
Aug 29th 2017
545
i loved the Dornish stuff in the books
Aug 30th 2017
561
because that shit dont matter. the sand snakes are done.
Aug 31st 2017
566
yeah that was a slight issue I had with this season
Aug 31st 2017
567
apparently they won't factor into season 8 either
Sep 02nd 2017
573
How's Sam gonna react when he finds out Jon's banging the aunt...
Aug 29th 2017
538
RE: How's Sam gonna react when he finds out Jon's banging the aunt...
Aug 29th 2017
539
Sam adopted an incest baby
Aug 29th 2017
540
yup. House Tarly still lives.
Aug 29th 2017
543
Was he released or sent there to become their maester?
Aug 29th 2017
548
      Doesn't matter much now, Nights Watch'll be joining Night King
Aug 29th 2017
549
           Sam *did* help Bran in the past tho.
Aug 30th 2017
553
           Bran doesn't barely know anyone...he knows everything now lol
Aug 30th 2017
556
           as a critic of the show's shitty writing: Sam is basically a maester
Aug 31st 2017
565
what happened to the sword Sam stole from his dad
Aug 29th 2017
544
      That was a fairly egregious misstep this season.
Aug 29th 2017
546
           My general take on Late Season Missing Scenes in GoT is this:
Aug 30th 2017
554
           I don't necessarily disagree with you...
Aug 30th 2017
560
                I think it'll play out like this:
Aug 31st 2017
563
                     That's kinda missing my point.
Aug 31st 2017
564
                          I don't see that as a "continuity problem" at all.
Aug 31st 2017
569
                               The difference between the dagger and the sword...
Aug 31st 2017
571
           how does this matter more to you than the Arya/Sansa thing?
Aug 30th 2017
557
                It doesn't matter to me "more" than the Arya/Sansa arc...
Aug 30th 2017
562
‘Game of Thrones’ Star Reveals Scene Cut From Season Finale (swipe)
Aug 30th 2017
559
It was good that they left that out
Aug 31st 2017
568
I'm really glad they didn't do the Arya/Sansa stuff that way.
Aug 31st 2017
570
i'm glad to have this confirmed after the fact
Aug 31st 2017
572

makaveli
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1. "i love how it's cold in the south now"
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pretty much no chance of this not being awesome.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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2. "I started watching over the holidays and binge watched it all."
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I am officially hyped for the new season!


*CROCKER*

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3. "It's the last season right?"
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I'm assuming a movie after?

  

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4. "No."
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Season 7 will be 7 episodes.

The final, Season 8 will be 6 episodes.

  

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5. "2 more including this one"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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7. "came here to post the same thing!"
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Winter has finally arrived.

was that Sansa and Jon Snow kissing?!



*CROCKER*

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9. "No, that was Ellaria Sand and Yara Greyjoy"
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Not Jon and Sansa

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8. "I'm ready"
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I don't think there will be any slow episodes from now on.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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10. "gat damn."
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this shit got me ready.

  

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11. "uh where the fuck is Bran"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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13. "damn that looks so lit"
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14. "It's about to be ON!"
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"The unexamined life is not worth living." - Plato

  

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12. "My pops is finally watching GOT."
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He just finished Season 2.

"Wait...this show has zombies too?! zombie horses?!" lol

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S7 will be Team Daenerys vs. Team Cersei, while Jon and company deal with the White Walkers, whereas as S8 will deal with the survivors dealing with the White Walkers... I think there will be meetings among the characters, but it won't come to a head until the final season.

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16. "agreed "
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17. "I'd like for Arya to be the one that gets Cersei"
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I can't wait. I've pretty much given up hope for the books, like I don't know if they will ever happen now.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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18. "RE: I'd like for Arya to be the one that gets Cersei"
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>I can't wait. I've pretty much given up hope for the books,
>like I don't know if they will ever happen now.

While I'm sure George R.R. Martin is getting hefty royalty checks for the sales of the past GoT books, he'd be a fool to pass up the huge sales that will come as result of him releasing a new book.

Plus I'd have to imagine he'd want to tell the GoT on his own accord just out of a sheer sense of pride. It is pretty wild he hasn't released another volume yet though.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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19. "I want to see what happens with Baelish..."
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But I think he might get murked by Arya

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20. "One can hope"
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>But I think he might get murked by Arya

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21. "Arya's got a big ass shitlist n/m"
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200. "That she does"
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and I understand from a television viewer's standpoint why folks want Littlefinger to become worm food, but why should Arya have motivation to want to murk Littlefinger? She's not aware of how dirty he is as he's not on her original list, at least he isn't to my knowledge.

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27. "Sansa ain't ever going to turn on Jon, Littlefinger might have overreach..."
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on this one. I think back to the quote of him telling her, "we're all liars here, and every one of us better than you". Either she wacks him or Arya.

  

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22. "Trailer #2 "
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Winter Is Here!
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23. "I don't like the potential implications of that last line. "
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25. "i'm hoping they are just keeping us on our toes"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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24. "dammit man, this wait is eating me up inside"
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Can't believe that was a full year ago almost.

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26. "just put it in my veins right now"
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if they stick the landing, GoT is the GOAT tv show

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28. "Who gets murked out tonight?"
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I have a feeling it will be someone like Melisandra or Sir Davos.



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29. "Hopefully Little Finger....painfully and slow"
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30. "just rewatched last season's finale...help me out with this"
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what was the significance of using the little kids to murder maester parcell?

  

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31. "they used to be Lord Varys' spies"
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Before he left

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32. "bit of a slow burn for so much hype."
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but that happened last year too and oh the places we went. still, it's a bummer the past two season openers have been tasked with showing us all the stuff we expected to happen and setting the table for all the stuff we expect to happen going forward but nothing much new.


the montage of Sam cleaning shit and his conversation with the arch maester was the highlight of the episode for me and it's weird when Sam is the highlight of anything.



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33. "This dude said Sam was the highlight over Arya's scene"
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Ok...

But nah

  

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34. "haha"
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Or the Giant fucking white walkers. Let them dudes tell their story. Gotta set it up, every episode isnt going to be Battle Of The Bastards

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35. "tbh the Mission Impossible face mask stuff doesn't do it for me"
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I know, I know, we've had shadow babies and dragons and unkillable mercenaries but for some reason I just can't buy the face and body morphing stuff. and maybe I've just missed something and she's actually slipping the skin over hers and putting on fat suits and walking around on platform shoes, but I just struggle with that particular form of magic. that's just me though, it was a great scene aside from that.

Sam gagging over a bowl of shit is more interesting than a shot of a CGI giant with blue eyes; call me when that giant is swinging a Dorneish elephant around.

and Ed Sheeran is Ed Sheeran.


my favorite episodes are the talky ones so I wasn't looking for a lot of action, and the hour felt like 20, but I was just hoping there'd be something there I didn't already expect to happen. Almost every GoT episode has some surprise or nugget of curiosity IMO but this was all (really well done!) table setting and that was kind of a bummer off last season's hit after hit after hit.


even last year's slow burn opener had that crazy reveal of Melisandre's true form at the end. man, season 6 was incredible.


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36. "Bruh, they have dragons, walking dead Giants and resurrections"
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Why is body morphing a hard pill to swallow?

That shit was so dope. I thought it was a flashback at first. One of the dopest scenes and the best line of the whole series.

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45. "I don't know 'cause I love Face/Off to death"
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I don't know, Faceless Men plotline has just never been as dope for me in execution as it is on paper. I got no reason other than my gut


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40. "I dunno man"
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the stuff with Jon and Sansa was very interesting to me; her saying she learned a lot from Cersei was pretty chilling to me given the context of the conversation the two were having after that brief blow-up.

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44. "The Jon - Sansa - Littlefinger dynamic is gonna be great."
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A lot of strong fan theories have already come to pass (or well on their way), we're just seeing the journey to get there.

That said, there isn't a ton of firm theories on Littlefinger (that I've personally seen, at least) so his eventual fate is still up in the air. I'm going to be paying super close attention to his scenes because while the books and show will differ in how they get there, his endgame is so wide open.

I still love that he's been the great architect for the most pivotal events in the show yet no one really knows this.

  

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47. "As much as Jon did the right thing and we're supposed to get that"
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I kind of agreed with Sansa.

Obviously they're coming at this from very different places (if Jon had been surviving the Lannisters in King's Landing instead of being at the Wall, he'd probably place less importance on honor.) But this was the same type of shit that got Nedd and Robb killed. Now I don't think that these kids are actually a danger, but there's a certain naivete to Jon's decision making process.

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48. "RE: As much as Jon did the right thing and we're supposed to get that"
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>I kind of agreed with Sansa.
>
>Obviously they're coming at this from very different places
>(if Jon had been surviving the Lannisters in King's Landing
>instead of being at the Wall, he'd probably place less
>importance on honor.) But this was the same type of shit that
>got Nedd and Robb killed. Now I don't think that these kids
>are actually a danger, but there's a certain naivete to Jon's
>decision making process.


Initially when I watched the episode last night, I sided with Sansa since honor and valor generally aren't rewarded in the Game of Thrones universe. But at the same time, there are power in numbers and the more families that Jon can get under his rule, the better. That probably wasn't the reason Jon decided to keep those families within the group, but it doesn't serve him well to make those families get even more motivation to align themselves with another opposing power, especially since they are in proximity of The North if memory serves me right.


All in all, I suppose it depends on how cynical your worldview is in terms of who you side with.

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49. "The not punishing children for sins of their father line was interesting"
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Since basically John's entire life has been a punishment because of his father (and Ned's perceived) sinning.

  

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54. "yea, I think he also probably has word how that honor Sansa spoke of"
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worked against Robb in the long run.

different circumstances but dude died in large part because he didn't pay respect to longheld alliances, both through marriage and through treatment of house leaders.

John's done Hardhome and he's done the Battle of Bastards, he knows he needs numbers more than honor. Sansa is still playing the King's Landing game.

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66. "It really is going to take both of them together"
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Which is probably what they're going to beat us over the head with the rest of the season.

A redheaded Cersei can't rule like that in the North, but Jon Snow always doing the right thing is just going to get him killed (again.)

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52. "I got Sansa's side, but she should have brought it up behind the scenes"
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She's right that Jon isn't gonna get anywhere copying Ned, but Sansa talking that shit in front of everyone only makes Littlefinger's wheels turn.

  

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62. "there's a certain naiveté to sansa thinking she knows better"
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she always think she's got it figured out and doesn't seem to remember that she at the very least accelerated a few stark deaths.

she didn't survive because she saw the board. she survived because she's almost always been a pawn and never a player.

  

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64. "I'd argue she does see it"
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And I don't get how specifically rewarding people that didn't side with the Boltons would be naive.

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67. "i think jon understands better than her that nobody wins this"
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her perspective is still framed by different ways of winning the game, just as her father and brother viewed loyalty as part of the game. it's a different perspective, but the same trap.

cersei's lost her entire family several times over and most of her allies, but sansa still only sees cersei as being a master player.

those children didn't side with the boltons, that was jon's point. they're potential allies and a potential means of reforging the kinds of traditions that might hold the north together against the winter.

it's the same thing d has been doing.

you can't look at it as punishment and rewards because what's coming doesn't honor those value systems. you gather as many people as you can and do your best to to take any of them for granted.

  

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69. "That's a good point"
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And I agree, Jon did do what was ultimately the right thing.

But I also see where Sansa was coming from.

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79. "RE: i think jon understands better than her that nobody wins this"
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>her perspective is still framed by different ways of winning
>the game, just as her father and brother viewed loyalty as
>part of the game. it's a different perspective, but the same
>trap.

Between the two of them, it's probably safe to say Sansa wants the Iron Throne more than Jon does, right?

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116. "easily. jon dgaf about a throne"
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78. "that said, if she didn't reach out to Littlfinger, they'd all be dead"
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(except her, she'd go back to daily rapes and beatings)

i think she's still kind of feeling herself on being right about that.

THAT said, she never proposed that option to Jon. she just did it

  

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37. "My apologies for being slow"
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but who were Ed Sheran (sp?) and his barbershop quartet fighting for? Their armor looked very similar to the one Jamie was rocking, but I can't imagine they are with the Lanisters since they are so humble looking and were actually nice.

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38. "Lol yes, they were Lannister soldiers"
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They weren't probably weren't a part of the Lannister family (definitely not apart of the Tywin branch), more likely just members of families allied to the Lannisters.

The Lannisters have (well had) an army of 10s of thousands of people. While those at the top may be corrupt, power hungery, maybe even evil... most of those beneath them have no illusions of power or of ruling. They're just people tryna make their way in the world.

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39. "One of those dudes is going to overstep"
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and she is going to use his face.

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41. "Yeah, she was sizing up their weapons hella hard"
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I give Ed's acting role a 50/50 chance of ending getting stabbed by needle.

  

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42. "That was the point of the scene really"
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>but who were Ed Sheran (sp?) and his barbershop quartet
>fighting for? Their armor looked very similar to the one Jamie
>was rocking, but I can't imagine they are with the Lanisters
>since they are so humble looking and were actually nice.

The one guy even said right on the nose "men go off and fight other men's wars"

They are just dudes who happen to live in the part of the country that fights for the Lanisters, but it doesn't make them all awful people. Arya realized when hanging out with them (and after killing every one of Frey's men) that there are a ton of innocent victims in this thing. It was the first time for her in a long time that every interaction wasn't just life or death and she got to just talk to normal people caught up in the same bullshit game she is caught up in.

  

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43. "EXACTLY"
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she was ready to kill them from jump, but slowly started to relax once she realized they're really victims too ..... I thought it was funny no one asked about needle

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46. "RE: That was the point of the scene really"
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>>but who were Ed Sheran (sp?) and his barbershop quartet
>>fighting for? Their armor looked very similar to the one
>Jamie
>>was rocking, but I can't imagine they are with the Lanisters
>>since they are so humble looking and were actually nice.
>
>The one guy even said right on the nose "men go off and fight
>other men's wars"
>
>They are just dudes who happen to live in the part of the
>country that fights for the Lanisters, but it doesn't make
>them all awful people. Arya realized when hanging out with
>them (and after killing every one of Frey's men) that there
>are a ton of innocent victims in this thing. It was the first
>time for her in a long time that every interaction wasn't just
>life or death and she got to just talk to normal people caught
>up in the same bullshit game she is caught up in.
>


That's a fair interpretation. It still suits her well though to move on from that crew since it's entirely possible someone else fighting for the Lannister banner will recognize who she is and try to kidnap and capture her. Not saying she can't hold her own if that comes to pass, but it probably suits her better to roll solo, or at least far enough away from anyone fighting for the Lannisters.

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50. "Am I the only one who thinks Jon made the inarguably correct "
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choice?

First, if Sansa and Lady Mormont were really about that life, they should have been riding for the Glovers and the other two to meet that same fate. That would have nixed 5 houses from the Stark banner men.

Further, they’d have to completely destroy all those houses and their members from top to bottom, otherwise they’d leave the Lannisters with houses looking for a new flag to fly and an axe to grind.

Jon is thinking big picture and I don’t think he’s neglecting the details in the process. I think the fact that he made it clear that even women would have to fight should have made that crystal clear.

Sansa was talking about how ruthless Cersei is toward her enemies, yet doesn’t seem to gather how important it is for the north to have unity now more than ever. Much like Cersei, she seems too willing to take vengeance in the face of inviting greater collective harm to herself in return.

Jon’s act of mercy was every bit rooted in necessity as it was in altruism, and Sansa seems so caught up in the seeming weakness behind the move that she doesn’t realize that it helps better maintain a position of strength.

  

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53. "Ultimately, yeah. "
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I think alot of it is perspective/experience though

Sansa has experience with Cersei, Jon has experience with the Night King

but from a practical standpoint, i think Jon made the right choice

  

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70. "you need alive people to fight dead people"
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as many as you can get.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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77. "It was ultimately the right choice"
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For the same reason bringing the wildlings south of the Wall was the right choice.

Doesn't mean it didn't get him killed.

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51. "I'm assuming Yuron is gonna go after Elia Sand"
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if he wants to give Cersei a "gift", and he can't really get at Tryrion. Elia's head, or a living Elia that Frankenmountain can torture indefinitely should suffice.

His "two hands" shot at Jamie was pretty funny. Same with Jamie saying how the Iron Born suck at everything.

  

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56. "or not. since i forgot the sandsnakes are with Cersei and them"
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i thought they were alone at this time. not sure what else he'd be talking about then. other than Tyrion's head, idk what kind of gift Yuron could give here that would impress.

  

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65. "There were Martell ships sailing with Dany and they hosted"
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the meeting with them, Oleana Tyrell and Varys at the end of last season. They're allied with Dany.

Cersei basically has their own people and Yuron Greyjoy and his people right now.

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61. "I'm betting Euron going after Yara & Theon"
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With the Dothraki hoard, the Unsullied, and the Dragons, Dany is pretty much going to have undisputed control of the land and the sky. So I'm guessing Euron "gift" is going to be complete control of the sea. He's wants his vengeance against Yara and Theon for stealing his best ships and standing against him as king of the Iron Islands. I'm guessing there's some sort of Naval battle and he kills or both of them. So maybe his "gift" is going to be Yara's head.

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63. "he said something along the lines of a gift dear to Cersei's heart"
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Cersei doesn't even know who Yara is, so I don't think the head of someone she's never had contact with would move her much. Which is why i'd imagine it would be one of her enemies who she hasn't got at yet. Which leaves us Tyrion and Elia because they'd be the most personal. I suppose Sansa too, but that's impossible. I suppose Granny Tyrell could fit that too too but she didn't really *do* anything to Cersei

  

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80. "turns out he said "a priceless gift""
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which changes the equation slightly. still dont think Yara will cut it (Cersei knows Yuron wants to kill her anyway) but could mean Lady Olenna

  

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81. "It's going to be the dragon horn"
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>which changes the equation slightly. still dont think Yara
>will cut it (Cersei knows Yuron wants to kill her anyway) but
>could mean Lady Olenna
>
>

I'm almost certain of it

  

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82. "what's that?"
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84. "A horn that can supposedly control dragons"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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87. "man, fuck you for making me feel like i asked "what's can opener?""
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lol

  

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85. "well, besides killing Joffrey"
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>that's impossible. I suppose Granny Tyrell could fit that too
>too but she didn't really *do* anything to Cersei

although Cersei doesn't know that. or rather, is too blinded by her irrational hatred for Tyrion to figure out.


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86. "lol true"
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>>that's impossible. I suppose Granny Tyrell could fit that
>too
>>too but she didn't really *do* anything to Cersei
>
>although Cersei doesn't know that. or rather, is too blinded
>by her irrational hatred for Tyrion to figure out.
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146. "you and Mynoriti were both right!"
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and I called red witch returning to the castle in the GD post

  

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71. "Sansa or Tyrion"
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or maybe a certain object from the book that hasn't been mentioned in the show yet.

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75. "trying to see how either is possible "
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Yuron may have people having second thoughts within Yaras group. The iron born are prone to flipping on their own.

Sansa would have to be Littlefinger but I don't see why he'd bite

  

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83. "After thinking about it my money's on the object"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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57. "it's a small gripe but i hate the way Arya "
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rips off her masks

When Jaken Hagar (sp) did it he'd look the other way and turn around and he'd have a different face.

The way Arya does it reminds me of Austin Powers, or Scooby Doo

  

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68. "this is part of my neg reaction to that stuff for me too."
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72. "CoSign! Its too Mission Impossible."
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88. "it was oddly and poorly executed, which is weird"
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the special effects are usually so on point it kinda took me out of the moment when the mask coming off looked so...cheap-lookin? lol.

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93. "That Scooby Doo reference"
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is going to make me laugh so hard the next time she does that Mask Off murdering thing. In addition to the cartoonish fashion you have problems with, the show does run the risk of over doing it with her character; it'll be interesting to see how the show treats her, especially since it appears she'll be rolling dolo for the most part.

I'm assuming she isn't going to travel with that bunch of Lannister grunts since I'm assuming that Sheran cameo was a one and done deal.

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58. "I feel like 99% of the people who watch this show don't understand it"
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nothing too specific in this thread, just general observations of dialogue with people in real life and people commenting on the internet.

  

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59. "It manages to appeal to all kinds of viewers"
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The ones who like digging deeper and the nuances of great writing and the ones who like to be entertained for an hour and not look for more meaning in things.

Nether is necessarily the right way to watch it, but that is why it is smashing every HBO record, it works for everyone as opposed to say a show like Mad Men or The Wire that don't keep the just want to be entertained viewer glued week to week or Walking Dead which lost all of the digging deeper viewers long ago.

I also know this is a gross oversimplification of a lot of people's habits.

  

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60. "Saw an article about Sansa having Cersai's old hairstyle"
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In the scene where she was saying how she learned from her and Jon said she sounds like she admires her.

Interesting detail even if it's not foreshadowing anything.

  

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76. "I skimmed that too. at first I thought it was reaching "
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But it mentioned Sophie Turner confirming it in an interview. I haven't read the interview though

  

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90. "Two dueling lines in that were important, I think..."
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Jon and Sansa's exchange about Cersei "You sound like you admire her", "She taught me a lot"

and then Jaime and Cersei "We need allies", "You think I listened to father for 40 years and learned nothing?"

Sansa is a student of Cersei's scheming and bitching, but she hasn't got the strategic backing that Tywin gave Cersei. The North needs the Umbers and the Karstarks right now, but Sansa is focused on punishing those that she feels wronged her... Cersei knows it's ok to swallow her pride to accept an alliance whilst necessary.

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73. "Pardon my ignorance once again"
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but now that all the male figures from the Freys are dead, who controls that bridge or throughfare that family controlled over the years? Do the Frey women hold control? The Lanisters? Thought I was ask because I think that bridge or throughfare was the sole reason that family had power, so I wonder who that now goes to.

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74. "maybe Edmure Tully / riverrun."
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They're the closest and Arya's fam

  

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92. "Edmuir is the obvious heir."
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He's in a Frey cell somewhere so I guess he's defacto Lord of The Twins now all the Freys are gone.

Interesting to see how it plays out as he wasn't exactly Robb's biggest fan - his entire story arc has been governed by Robb reneging on that Frey marriage. He'd have every right to be a Stark sceptic.

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91. "I'm guessing that's what the approaching Lanister army are doing."
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They'll install a caretaker or just a "peace-keeping force" until it's decided which family will be given The Twins... the Lannisters aren't exactly flush with options right now though.

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94. "I feel like Olenna's advice to Dany will be foreshadowing "
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Especially after Euron's actions.

Dope battle too.

Missandei.

Who else is excited to see Arya going back to Winterfell?
Enjoyed the appearance of her direwolf, and the "that's not you" line was a nice reference to the same thing she told Ned about herself.

Littlefinger is gonna be a problem for Jon.

Jon meeting Dany next week will be fun. Pieces coming together.

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95. "Always listen to Olenna. Always. "
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> and the "that's not
>you" line was a nice reference to the same thing she told Ned
>about herself.

Remind me the context of this?

>Littlefinger is gonna be a problem for Jon.

I've always wondered if the show would inevitably end with Littlefinger on the throne. His love for those Stark women will fuck him up though. I also suspect he'll underestimate Sansa.

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99. "Olenna is wrong in this case"
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The point of the show is that the Rulers must be servants of the people and protect their interests. Not lord over them like sheep. Acting without regard to the common folk is what got her father killed.

>> and the "that's not
>>you" line was a nice reference to the same thing she told
>Ned
>>about herself.
>
>Remind me the context of this?

First season Ned tells her about how one day she'll grow up to be a great Queen/lady of court. And she responds something to the effect of, "That's Sansa, that's not me."

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120. "Olenna basically got her grandkids killed"
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>
>> and the "that's not
>>you" line was a nice reference to the same thing she told
>Ned
>>about herself.
>
>Remind me the context of this?
>
>>Littlefinger is gonna be a problem for Jon.
>
>I've always wondered if the show would inevitably end with
>Littlefinger on the throne. His love for those Stark women
>will fuck him up though. I also suspect he'll underestimate
>Sansa.
>


And I'm hoping Arya will put an end to littlefinger once she gets to winterfell.

  

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96. "Man fuck them for that. What's the fucking point?"
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Unless there's a payoff down the the road they should have just left her out entirely.


  

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97. "I think we see her and them again"
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But she's just like Arya, shes got her own thing going for her right now

  

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98. "I think the point was to show how much Arya has changed"
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It underscored the point of the scene with her and Hot Pie. What she's gone through has changed her so much that her own Direwolf, which is basically bonded to her, doesn't even recognize her anymore.

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101. "I grasp the deeper meanings and all"
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But damn... This show has ripped our hearts out so much with the Stark kids for so long. Sometimes it's downright abusive with that emotional roller coaster and I think this was one of those times where bringing them together would have been a great Hollywood moment.

  

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103. "wouldnt really be GOT if they did that."
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112. "RE: wouldnt really be GOT if they did that."
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>>great Hollywood moment.

yeah, it's not going to that easy for her to just stroll on home.

  

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118. "Nah. In fact I'd argue they're too far in the other direction"
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At a minimum, they've gone far enough in the other direction that it makes narrative sense to hit us with a few of those here and there. We got the last second rescue at the BOTB last season, for example.

  

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107. "I think that scene..."
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was more to remind people that Nymeria exists.

I'm guessing we'll see them reunited in a deux ex machina moment.

  

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109. "yeah i think nymeria comes back"
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I hope so.

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119. "Nymeria and Arya are too alike to hang out like that."
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We've not really had them in the TV series, but Arya has warg dreams where she is Nymeria... I get the impression they're both loners. Predators. I took "That's not you" to mean, "following me around getting tickles under the chin isn't you, you'll do your own thing, but now you know I'm here you'll appear when I need you to... like if I'm about to get eaten by a bunch of your cousins."

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100. ""ugh, this Greyworm scene is so lam... whoa nevermind""
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104. "hahaha my same reaction"
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that girl got a body on her but their scenes are so cringeworthy and seemingly pointless that i don't think the payoff is worth it. screen time is too valuable coming down the stretch here.

  

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106. "Between Grey Worm's scene, Varys getting to live"
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and Theon's cowardice, this was officially Eunuch Week on Game of Thrones.

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117. "Nah, it's worth it"
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For me she is the baddest girl around. She's stunning.

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121. ">For me she is the baddest girl around. She's stunning. "
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straight up.

is it me or does she kind of resemble Lisa Bonet?
anyways, I know it's acting but the dude who plays Greyworm is a lucky mofo.


*CROCKER*

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102. "So Elaria (and Yara I guess) were"
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the gifts for Cersei, then. Okay.

But that battle was BONKERS, and I love that this show can still surprise like that.

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105. "i wasnt the least bit sad to see the sand snakes go"
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one of the dragons is gonna get caught up with that crossbow and I'm going to be crushed

  

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108. "they kept the hottest one alive"
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but probably just so Cersei can kill her in front of her mom

>one of the dragons is gonna get caught up with that crossbow
>and I'm going to be crushed

Yup!

  

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110. "agreed"
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loved dorne in the book, don't really like it in the show. besides the viper and the king who got killed, they are unlikable. even though they look good.

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111. "Couldn't tell you shit about the Sand Snakes except which"
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weapons they used.

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113. "so Dany lost her entire fleet in the battle with euron?"
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that was an epic strategic fuck-up on her part. she had the lannister army outmanned yet comes up with the idea to starve out cersei and her army. pretty dumb.

also, what's so important about taking over casterly rock?

  

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114. "I dont think that was the whole fleet, just Greyjoy portion"
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She still has the fleet she stole from the slavers

and Casterly Rock equals $$$$ and power

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115. "Symbolic and it leaves the Lannisters with nowhere to run to"
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>also, what's so important about taking over casterly rock?

That's not just their actual home, it's also the center of the Lannister's economic power since it's where all of the gold mines are. We the viewers know those gold mines are empty, but nobody alive in Westeros knows that except Cersei. You take out their home and they're stuck in King's Landing with nothing but the resources they have immediately on hand.

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122. "seems like if they took over kings landing then taking castlery rock"
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would be a mere formality.

instead they dicked around over a "symbolic victory" and allowed cersei to strategize as well as gather resources to defeat the dragons.

hard to argue that Yara and whoever else campaigned to strike right away wasn't in fact correct?

  

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123. "There's merit to not wanting to be "Queen of Ashes"... n/m"
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130. "welp, now she's got ashes of her own"
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also does this presuppose that the only way she can defeat the lannisters is by having her dragons torch all of king's landing?

in mereen the dragons seemed to be able to recognize friend vs foe...

  

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138. "If you've got a competitive advantage...."
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why wouldn't you use them? Especially when her core armies have serious flaws in a ground battle: the Dothraki would do poorly in city-fighting and the Unsullied don't have the numbers.

And I don't know what dragons you were watching, but the ones I saw only recognized Daenerys as "friend", fuck all the rest, hah.

  

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126. "I do think Dany probably waited too long"
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And there's going to be some lessons learned from this. But there is something to actually gaining allies in Westeros BEFORE you blow everything up.

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129. "Everyone thinks there are gold mines on Casterly Rock"
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Tywin told Cersei they're dry, so only Cersei knows there's nothing there.

  

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124. "this still feels like fanfic tho"
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I dunno I'll still watch because I'm invested in the characters and love the spectacle but the writing just isn't as potent and rich as it was in the first 3 seasons,

Feels a lot more "soap-opera with dragons" now.

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125. "Its not the writers fault tho; we in the landing phase of the flight"
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>I dunno I'll still watch because I'm invested in the
>characters and love the spectacle but the writing just isn't
>as potent and rich as it was in the first 3 seasons,
>
>Feels a lot more "soap-opera with dragons" now.

They can't shift the pieces like they were in the beginning because we only have what, 12 episodes to end the show and plots need to get closed. Sure the actual road we get there might be a little bumpy but we know:

Dany will sit on the iron throne and help fight the white walkers
John Snow's gonna be the main dude to take out the white walkers (expect a final sword showdown with the Night's king).

Cersei will lose...Jamie will try to help/redeem her but she's a wrap.

Tyrion will be the hand and will finally get the respect he deserves

etc.

They've hinted, nudged, drawn big red circles around these plotpoints.

The twists will be with the secondary characters but as far as the show...we all know where we are going

  

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128. "Ending long shows is hard"
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You build the show where it takes 10 episodes to get everything accomplished, but you can't end it that way too.

10 episodes of John Snow getting to Dragonstone to meet Dany would work in Season 1 but it won't work now so you have to speed it along.

Also, the show is a soap opera, it always was. The first episode ended with the Queen sleeping with her brother and pushing a witness out the window. It didn't just become one.

  

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135. "Euron sure built those ships of his pretty fast haha"
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> but it won't work now so you have to
>speed it along.

  

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136. "I was thinking the same thing"
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and it appears his ships are superior to the ones Yara and Theon stole; it appears his are reinforced with metal of some sort.

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131. "Yep. It's turned into LOTR with more lots of blood and nudity"
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Giant wars between the personifications of good and evil.

And the books were never about that. There were no "good" wars.

They're building towards a very traditional resolution.

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132. "They also could not be"
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We all assume it's building to a happy resolution because we are used to that, but GOT has taught us better than that.

I can easily see them lulling us into seeing the happy ending and it not going that way at all.

I always imagined GOT not to have a clear ending as much as a "well this happened and the world will always continue" type ending. Something more along the lines of The Wire where we don't really get a resolution, but just an ending for the show with the message that the cycle will always continue.

  

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137. "I'm hoping against hope...."
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that the major story beats Martin gave D&D are going to buck the trend.

  

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141. "traditional? naw. it'll be a neat ending. but 6 years of GOT "
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should've taught you to not expect traditional.

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133. "the tv writers are direct and heavy handed"
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the book is complicated, layered, subtle and usually indirect. (from what I understand)

it's very clear when they're working off of their own material

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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143. "pretty much where im at"
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which is fine if you like it, but its definitely different and doesnt leave me considering all the nuances and stuff like i used to

  

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144. "they might be more nuanced if they took 10 years"
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to write each season

but really it's probably mostly a style difference and beginning by thinking about it as a TV episode. martin has unlimited pages to wild out in

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145. "agreed nm"
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127. "Also, Greyworm, anyone think they were gonna show it?"
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134. "I was slightly concerned"
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142. "I definitely assumed they would."
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139. "I expect LittleFinger on the throne and Arya to die as she kills Cersei"
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People expecting the Dothraki and Unsullied to cakewalk in unfamiliar territory should holler at Dick Cheney and Dubya re: Iraq

Cersei will lead an insurgent war of attrition against Danerys
she'll lose in the end (thanks to Arya, who she'll never see coming)
Arya will get her revenge but pay the ultimate cost to the many faced God
before her demise, Cersei will inflict heavy losses on the mother of dragons
who will then have to deal with the Night King

They'll fuck each other up and destroy what's left of Westeros
LittleFinger will then ride in and claim victory for the good of the realm
with support from the remaining families

The End


  

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140. "Arya heading Norf, though!"
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:)

  

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147. ""fuck yo couch, nigga" - olenna tyrell"
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one of my favorite characters on the show

  

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148. "on some....oh by the way, i killed your son"
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Gangsta shit

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149. "jamie was getting shit on all episode lol"
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euron had them bars too lol

  

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150. ""finger in the bum?" being his best lol"
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151. "RIP- Came into and came out of the show like the G she is."
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153. "And Jamie now has the proof he didn't know he needed..."
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... that Tyrion was innocent of Joffrey's poisoning.

  

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158. "Petty on full to the very end, GOAT"
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152. "Dany is getting dumber and pettier by the episode"
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i kinda feel like they had to go extra hard in making tyrion and dany extra stupid this season in order to give us some drama in their quest for the throne. I suppose there wouldn't be enough entertainment value in storming kings landing in episode 1 and getting an easy W..

while i understand jon's tunnel vision in regards to the threat of the night king...you'd still think he'd show at least a modicum of interest in aligning himself with Dany to defeat the lannisters. Jon didn't seem to offer Dany anything in return for her dragon glass.

Sansa and Bran...well that was awkward, lol.

  

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154. "I wouldn't say they're stupid... (Tyrion and Dany)"
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but rather they lack information. They weren't aware of Euron's strength nor Casterly Rock's insignificance. The moves were sound but it's not like they've been on Westeros long enough to be fully apprised of everything going on.

As for Jon and Dany... it can be argued that she has potentially greater leverage down the road since she did him a "favor" without even requiring him to bend the knee. Jon is a man of honor; he will feel the need to resolve his indebtedness to her for the dragonglass.

  

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155. "you have to account for the possibility of unknown obstacles/enemies"
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>but rather they lack information. They weren't aware of
>Euron's strength nor Casterly Rock's insignificance. The
>moves were sound but it's not like they've been on Westeros
>long enough to be fully apprised of everything going on.

  

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160. "Easier said than done."
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There's no way he would have been privy to Casterly Rock's expired gold mines, Cersei's debt to the Iron Bank, or Euron's supernatural ability to rebuild a fleet. Uneven access to information has long been a tenet in the series and is a big reason why Martin's POV writing style is so effective.

It's easy to use a general blanket statement to support your position but it falls apart when the actual context is considered.

  

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176. "I feel like you're making my point for me"
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>There's no way he would have been privy

right, there's no way they would be privy to anything...

therefore, the longer you dick around with roundabout strategies which you leave you out in the open and vulnerable (sailing expeditions, storming castles, etc.)...the greater the chance of something unseen happening. and the greater the chance that your enemy can devise effective counter-strategies (harpoon thingy for the dragons) and forge new allies (Euron).

  

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177. "I feel like you don't understand your own argument."
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Your initial post #152 called Dany and Tyrion out for being "dumber and pettier" and how the showrunners had them go "extra hard" in making them "extra stupid" this season in order to generate some drama.

There's a big, big difference between "extra stupid" and "lack of information". Are you arguing for the former or are you arguing for the latter? You can't have it both ways.

> therefore, the longer you dick around with roundabout strategies which you leave you out in the open and vulnerable

Are you even paying attention? Sure, it's fictional, but do the lives of thousands of innocent people mean nothing to you? What you're arguing goes wholly counter to the core of Daenerys' character over the course of seven seasons and has been re-emphasized every single episode thus far this season.

- She doesn't want to be "Queen of Ashes"
- Thousands of innocents would die if King's Landing were sacked with dragons
- The use of "foreign invaders" in the Dothraki and Unsullied would rally bannermen to Cersei's cause

These things align perfectly with:

- Dany protecting pillaged innocents even though it meant misplaced trust in Mirri Maz Duur
- Dany protecting the enslaved in Slaver's Bay even though she had no legitimate business in that foreign land

Like, their tactics are wholly defensible both thematically and strategically. Casterly Rock is still seen as the wealth capital of Westeros. The Martell army is strong in both numbers and skill. The Tyrell army has wealth. A siege on King's Landing needed the support of two great houses of Westeros to rally not just lesser houses but also the commonfolk.

What's the point of winning the kingdom if everyone just hates you? She would be The Mad King all over again... what would be the point of that?

> (sailing expeditions, storming castles, etc.)

Maybe you should watch with captions, because then you'd understand what the point of these scenes were.

  

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180. "yeah, back in S4/S5 people were mad Dany was lingering"
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but that was what her character was becoming. even if it was ultimately from a selfish perspective, she wanted and wants very much to be known not only as the rightful ruler of the free world, but the ruler OF a free world. she stayed until she was absolutely sure there would be no more Slaver's Bay whether it was stupid or not because it was the reputation she wanted to have.

Same goes for her time in Westeros. Until she can kill the specific people she has her sights on she's not going to take the shot, at least not until she's pushed to a point of blind, fiery rage, which I'm sure everyone in her camp needs to stay on the watch for and she will be tested greatly by something soon here otherwise they wouldn't keep hinting at it (or they totally would; Thrones!).

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186. "LOL, yup, the show watchers were pissed at Dany in Meereen..."
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and that paralleled the sentiment of the book readers.

While most will agree that Dany's time in Meereen served to strengthen the nature of her character, many (if not most) will also agree that her time there was also kind of a slog.

Speaking of which, you may already know this if you're a book reader but if you're not....

*** minor spoilers if you're a non-book reader but will someday become a book reader ***

For the non-book readers, Martin coined "The Meereenese Knot" as the very, very long time he spent untangling the many entities that needed to chronologically converge on Danaerys in Meereen. This included many new POV characters, the impending slavers war, Drogons return and a way to get Dany back to Westeros.

The sheer scope of "The Meereenese Knot" eventually led to Book 4 being split into two volumes: A Feast for Crows (focused mostly on King's Landing) and A Dance of Dragons (focused outside of KL, including Daenerys). To put this into perspective, books 1-3 were released in 1996, 1999 and 2000. Books 4 and 5 were released in 2005 and 2011 (and likely no book 6 in 2017).

And because books 4 and 5 added so many new characters and threads that weren't part of the first three books, they are also largely regarded as the weakest of the series (book 4 because it was missing beloved POV characters Jon, Tyrion and Daenerys and book 5 because it was so long they had to cut out two major battles to put into book 6).

So... yeah. The malaise the show watchers felt with Meereen mirrored the sentiment felt by book readers towards Meereen.

There's a very strong argument to be made that if Martin had kept Book 4's narrative as tight as the first 3, the written series would be done by now and D&D would have had a LOT more written material with which to guide the show. Much like with ASOIAF, GoT will likely end up being at its best when it followed the first three books than when it followed books 4, 5 and Martin's scribbles on how the story ends.

  

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187. "I've thought about replacing podcasts with the audio books"
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but I don't think I'll ever read the books, at least not any any time soon.

that all makes sense though; the Dany stuff has never bothered me with the show, but I can totally see it feeling interminable following that timeline of the books you just put down. I'd never even looked into the publication dates of the books before, I'd just known it's been two decades.

One thing I'm totally grateful for the show eclipsing the books is I can freely read any and all book spoilers and just think, huh, cool, rather than "oh fuck is this ruining things?" if the horn book readers all thought / (hoped?) would be Euron's bounty had shown up, cool! if it didn't...less cool, but the show remains the show I've been watching. It's fun for me now because it's almost fan fiction in my understanding of the show; I totally get if the show doesn't feel like "fun" fan fiction for readers of the books, though.

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182. "lmao take your condescending personal shots and shove them up your ass"
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>
>Maybe you should watch with captions, because then you'd
>understand what the point of these scenes were.

you in here battling and getting pissy over a *TV SHOW*????? LOL.

the only one not understanding the argument is you, as you cannot wrap your head around the fact that wise people understand that they **are not omniscient beings and therefore DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION** and therefore recognize that there are potential pitfalls to all strategies...and that these potential pitfalls still exist with or without them knowing exactly what they are beforehand! yes it's a novel concept! smart strategists recognize where they might be vulnerable and consider potential worst case scenarios (like remember that crazy murderous fucker whose ships we stole...maybe he's mad about it?) and possible contingency plans. And then analyze the risk/reward before proceeding.

I woud respond to the rest of the points/questions in your very long post but you're a total cunt and incapable of having a normal adult discussion so I'm gonna pass on that. feel free to waste the rest of your night typing out a novel long response to this...i won't be reading it. go find another nerd at comic con to pick a fight with cause it's not gonna be me.

  

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185. "Hey, my bad, I'm not trying to antagonize you."
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But it's snark on Okayplayer, I'm surprised you're so affected by it. I just felt that the debate was going in circles despite giving what I thought was ample evidence for my positions (and if anything, nothing gets me more fired up than someone questioning my logic).

> you in here battling and getting pissy over a *TV SHOW*????? LOL.

We've both been here for like almost two decades. People have gotten pissy over far less, let's be honest.

(And yes, full disclaimer, I've spent much of my adult life thinking about this story. To me, if there's any TV show worth getting pissy about it, it's this one)

As far as this:

> the only one not understanding the argument is you, as you cannot wrap your head around the fact that wise people understand that they **are not omniscient beings and therefore DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION** and recognize that there are potential pitfalls to all strategies...and that these potential pitfalls still exist with or without them knowing exactly what they are beforehand! yes it's a novel concept! smart strategists recognize where they might be vulnerable and consider potential worst case scenarios and possible contingency plans. And then analyze the risk/reward before proceeding.

Sure, I completely agree with you. But context matters, right? Honest question, were there any flaws in my logic in terms of why Tyrion would advise those specific troop movements? I felt the show did an adequate job of explaining Dragonstone's maneuvers and I would be in here ranting if they didn't.

I have no problem admitting I'm wrong but if I am wrong show me (with evidence) how I'm wrong.

> I woud respond to the rest of the points/questions in your very long post but you're a total cunt and incapable of having a normal adult discussion so I'm gonna pass on that. feel free to waste the rest of your night typing out a novel long response to this...i won't be reading it. go find another nerd at comic con to pick a fight with cause it's not gonna be me.

I mean, I'm all for having an adult discussion. I don't have the energy to go 30 posts on an ad hominem shitfest these days. Peace to you either way.

  

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218. "apology accepted. my apologies as well for overreacting. let's move on."
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because I do have some genuine questions for you or anyone else who wants to chime in.

>We've both been here for like almost two decades. People have
>gotten pissy over far less, let's be honest.

Yes, but over important real-life shit. Like sports!

>Sure, I completely agree with you. But context matters,
>right? Honest question, were there any flaws in my logic in
>terms of why Tyrion would advise those specific troop
>movements?

No, I don't recall questioning your logic and I don't think the strategy was illogical as much as it was convoluted, or unnecessarily complicated, or merely a strategy that *increased* the chances of encountering negative events.

But we move on.

Just a few issues I want to bring up below. Note that these are more so questions and not statements and I'm willing to concede that I may be wrong on some or all of this.

*It seems like the board has accepted Dany's desire to not be 'Queen of Ashes' (a respectable outlook and consistent with her character) to mean that the *only* direct way to take King's Landing would be via the scorched earth/dragon route. If so, why would Dany tell Jon Snow that she has ample foot soldiers and she doesn't need additional help from the Northern and Wildling army? Would this not imply that she believes her Army could take King's Landing if she chose that route? Even without the North/Wildlings, Dany would have the Dothraki, Unsullied, Dornish and Tyrell armies...wouldn't they greatly outnumber the Lannister army who couldn't even take Riverrun from the Tully's?

*If the strategy is to "lay siege to the city and starve out Cersei and the Lannister Army"...would the innocent civilians not suffer the same fate? How do you starve Cersei and the Army but not the poor civilians?

*The supposed loyalty of the civilians of King's Landing to Cersei:
-Is this the same beloved Cersei who was shamed naked in the streets not too long ago?
-The same Cersei who just recently killed the popular young queen and religious leader? And blew up the Sept and thousands of other innocent civilians along with it?
-The loyal civilians who have been oppressed and abused and mired in poverty since the beginning of the show?
-Interesting how in just this past episode you had Jaime warning Euron about the capricious nature of the civilians. They love you this week and the next week they'll beat you in the streets or something to that effect.

I think these points would suggest that Dany winning over the locals (despite her foreign roots) wouldn't be as impossible as some suggest. Or to the extent that it would force her into risky workaround strategies for taking over KL.

And last one, I know it was discussed earlier in the thread when I mentioned it...but I'm just going off of memory here so please correct me if I'm wrong. But weren't the dragons 'selective' in who they attacked in the battle with the sons of the harpy in the fighting pit as well as the slave owners?

  

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249. "All gravy. Cheers."
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> *It seems like the board has accepted Dany's desire to not be 'Queen of Ashes' (a respectable outlook and consistent with her character) to mean that the *only* direct way to take King's Landing would be via the scorched earth/dragon route. If so, why would Dany tell Jon Snow that she has ample foot soldiers and she doesn't need additional help from the Northern and Wildling army? Would this not imply that she believes her Army could take King's Landing if she chose that route? Even without the North/Wildlings, Dany would have the Dothraki, Unsullied, Dornish and Tyrell armies...wouldn't they greatly outnumber the Lannister army who couldn't even take Riverrun from the Tully's?

Didn't see this until now so this may all be a moot discussion after last night's episode, but you're right, there is a vague disparity in terms of how the various armies have been described up to this point. That said...

The issue with the Dornish army was time: Ellaria Sand was on her way back to muster for battle but was intercepted by Euron. The Tyrells supposedly had numbers but were weak. The Dothraki do not do well in city fighting and the Unsullied are low in number (and both are the "foreign invaders" that Tyrion cautioned about).

Remember, Cersei's army is comprised of both King's Landing's garrison and the Lannisters. And Riverrun wasn't overtaken by force because it was clean up after a bloody war in which both sides were weary of attrition... not to mention Brynden Blackfish was a fearsome commander in his own right.

So yes, while a siege from Daenerys' combined armies could have worked without dragons, it would have been a protracted affair that may leave her weak against Cersei's allies still loyal to the crown.

> *If the strategy is to "lay siege to the city and starve out Cersei and the Lannister Army"...would the innocent civilians not suffer the same fate? How do you starve Cersei and the Army but not the poor civilians?

Starving the city of resources lowers morale for both civilians and troops, on top of potentially creating organic uprisings. If Tyrion's plan had worked as intended, it's reasonable to assume that Daenerys would hold the moral high ground against a Queen that was already (like you state) hated by the populace for eliminating her popular rivals.

> I think these points would suggest that Dany winning over the locals (despite her foreign roots) wouldn't be as impossible as some suggest. Or to the extent that it would force her into risky workaround strategies for taking over KL.

Right, winning over the locals was part of Tyrion's original plan. His mistake was assuming that Lannister power still centered around Casterly Rock, when that was no longer the case.

> And last one, I know it was discussed earlier in the thread when I mentioned it...but I'm just going off of memory here so please correct me if I'm wrong. But weren't the dragons 'selective' in who they attacked in the battle with the sons of the harpy in the fighting pit as well as the slave owners?

It wasn't explicit, but the fighting was too haphazard for Drogon to kill with discretion... not like he'd care either way. We've seen what happens when Daenerys isn't around, when even children are at risk from the dragons.

  

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192. "Like Littlefinger said to Sansa."
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Imagine every possible event happening and then you'll never be caught by surprise.

They hadn't been imagining any offense from the Lannisters, only defense.

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193. "Easy to say when we're watching from a bird's eye view n/m"
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157. "Tyrion knows politics and alliance-building"
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He doesn't know military strategy, though (heroics at Blackwater Bay aside.)

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161. "Grand strategy or military tactics? "
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Because he's got an eye for both. Tyrion is adept at both the bigger picture and the ground maneuvers (to use video game RTS terms, he's great at the macro and the micro). There's a reason why he's undefeated at Cyvasse, after all.

Like I said, lack of access to information is why they lost these battles, not from lack of strategy. Jaime has always been a formidable general in his own right and remember that Cersei still is Queen Regent... it's reasonable to assume Qyburn has ravens in allied lands apprising them of any of Dany's troop movements.

  

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163. "Hindsight is 20/20, but you've got to figure they'll head for The Reach"
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probably sooner rather than later. They don't have much of an army and with Olenna attempting to starve out King's Landing, it's far more essential to Cersei than anywhere else.

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165. "Exactly, hindsight is 20/20."
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The siege on King's Landing wasn't going to begin until both the Martell and Tyrell armies were able to conduct the siege (as we saw last night, the Tyrells don't exactly have much military prowess).

When Euron pre-empted Ellaria Sand arriving in Dorne, there was no reason for Olenna Tyrell to move unilaterally on King's Landing. Her armies stayed at home while the Unsullied were still on their way to Casterly Rock.

As far as moving on The Reach, there's absolutely no way Dragonstone could have acted upon it in time. It's difficult conveying the sense of time in the show due to its truncated nature, but the Unsullied needed to sail down the Narrow Sea south of Dorne, around Oldtown then up past The Reach almost to the Iron Islands. Casterly Rock (on the west) and King's Landing (on the east) are at almost the exact midpoints of Westeros on opposite coasts.. and Dragonstone is *north* of King's Landing on the east. In contrast, from King's Landing, Highgarden is closer than The Twins and only a little bit further than Riverrun. The Roseroad is also one of the most highly traversed in the kingdom, so there would be little to hinder Jaime's army.

> it's far more essential to Cersei than anywhere else

There's no way Tyrion would have known this. Again, the empty gold mines in Casterly Rock are not public knowledge; there's no reason to assume The Reach is "essential" to Cersei if he thinks Cersei still has the virtually unlimited wealth of the mines.

  

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168. "Huge difference is those who have and haven't seen the night king"
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For John, Bran, Sam, Torumund and them, nothing else matters. The red witch and the hound have seen the visions so they're on it too. Everyone else is thinking, yeah whatever, we got shit to do.

I don't think Dany is stupid as much as she's playing by different rules as Cersei. Cersei wouldn't give a fuck about civilian casualties. Dany's also feeling herself a bit much these days. With good reason but it's affecting her edge.

  

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183. "RE: Huge difference is those who have and haven't seen the night king"
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>For John, Bran, Sam, Torumund and them, nothing else matters.
>The red witch and the hound have seen the visions so they're
>on it too. Everyone else is thinking, yeah whatever, we got
>shit to do.

I agree on that. But Snow needed to or should've thrown a bone to Dany in this case since he wanted something in return..

>I don't think Dany is stupid as much as she's playing by
>different rules as Cersei.

yep, and that's a big problem. and now Dany has a whole lot of casualties within her own camp as a result.

>Dany's also feeling herself a bit much
>these days.

basically what i was saying with regards to her pettiness.

  

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156. "Picture Jon Snow riding the dragon to King's Landing"
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he's half targaryen after all
dragon comes down and recognizes him as such
Danerys can't be risked, so Jon pays his debt to her by riding off and roasting half of KL

  

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159. "Wonder if we're going to spend some time in Casterly Rock now"
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It didn't show up on the map, but I wonder if that was to give us a surprise for when we finally saw it.

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162. "And shout out to Bran, officially now the most frustrating Stark"
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164. "he's all spaced out in 3 eyed raven world"
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cut the young 3 eyed raven some slack.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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166. "I had an inkling of something when he first saw Sansa..."
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and displayed no emotion whatsoever. That was reinforced in the scene by the weirwood tree.

At this point, I think Bran is suffering from some sort of PTSD... lack of emotion may be what he needed to adopt to maintain his sanity from seeing all the presumably absurd shit that he sees on the regular. In other words, to do his job, he needs to divest himself from being emotionally attached to what he's watching.

Complimenting Sansa's wedding dress can then be interpreted as him showing affection towards his sister but also disclosing that he knows what happened that night.

  

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167. "RE: I had an inkling of something when he first saw Sansa..."
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>and displayed no emotion whatsoever. That was reinforced in
>the scene by the weirwood tree.
>
>At this point, I think Bran is suffering from some sort of
>PTSD... lack of emotion may be what he needed to adopt to
>maintain his sanity from seeing all the presumably absurd shit
>that he sees on the regular. In other words, to do his job,
>he needs to divest himself from being emotionally attached to
>what he's watching.

This reminds me of the detachment Dr. Manhattan from The Watchmen had because of his power to traverse through time, and I suppose it makes sense since what is happening in the present is of little consequence to him.

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169. "perfect comparison..."
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>This reminds me of the detachment Dr. Manhattan from The
>Watchmen had because of his power to traverse through time,
>and I suppose it makes sense since what is happening in the
>present is of little consequence to him.
>

This was the first thing I thought of too

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170. "Yeah, he's been away from people for so long"
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The only people he's interacted with since splitting with Rickon were people who could warg, people who knew people who could warg, Hodor and the OG Raven. He doesn't seem to know how to talk to people who aren't expecting cryptic lines vaguely referencing the past.

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178. "RE: Yeah, he's been away from people for so long"
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>The only people he's interacted with since splitting with
>Rickon were people who could warg, people who knew people who
>could warg, Hodor and the OG Raven. He doesn't seem to know
>how to talk to people who aren't expecting cryptic lines
>vaguely referencing the past.

Hah, basically right?

His level of omniscience is so far above everyone's heads right now.

It's sad though because it also looks like he sacrificed his humanity for that power (thrust upon him unwillingly).

  

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179. "CRINE. what a lil piece of shit"
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but that's also shit writing

  

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191. "LOL"
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>"I'm the Three Eyed-Raven."
>"What does that mean?"
>"I won't tell you, but remember when you got raped on your
>wedding night? I sure do!"
>
>Fuckin weirdo.

  

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171. "Sansa, Bran, and Littlefinger"
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should make for some interesting entertainment, especially once Littlefinger gets his hooks into Bran. That little spiel Littlefinger gave to Sansa was interesting since it pretty much described Bran's three eyed raven perspective on things.

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172. "you think Littlefinger will get his hooks into Bran?"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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173. "Good question."
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Bran will probably see Littlefinger coming from ten different directions, so probably not. The three of them together should still make for interesting storylines though, at least I hope they will.

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174. "Yeah, if anything Bran can tip of Sansa because he sees all"
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175. "This has long been an interesting quandary for book readers."
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Since Bran has access to weirwood.net, what's to say he can't just tell all the "good" principal players what to do, when to do it, and how to do it? Can't he just make sure that Cersei falls, the Others are defeated and the North survives? We know he has very limited ability to influence past events but what is his presence in the "now"? Where do his motivations lie? Does his power to see the future enable him to "change" that future? How many permutations of the past/present/future can he see?

Storylines always get tricky when dealing with time travel since there's always some sort of silly way to wriggle out of dire situations. I have no idea what Bran's endgame will be in Martin's book but I really hope they handle it correctly in the show.

  

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181. "it makes me wonder for you book readers"
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how close is what we see of Bran on the show to the Bran in the book. I mean at this point I have no idea what purpose he serves, if he speaks "in code" to humans, can't effect the future, and has to be careful about how he interacts with the past.

also for folks who keep talking about Martin's final book and what not, remember he told the show runners what he has and wants for the end. They just aint making it up

  

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184. "RE: it makes me wonder for you book readers"
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>how close is what we see of Bran on the show to the Bran in
>the book.

Honestly speaking, Show Bran isn't *too* far away from Book Bran. At the end of Show Season 4 we were shown Book Bran from the end of Book 5 (the last one released). This was done so D&D didn't have to spend resources on Bran's arc during Season 5. Season 6 showed Bran's training, revealing Jon's parentage and Hodor, but who's to say how faithful to the books those three arcs were (especially on Jon's parentage).


I mean at this point I have no idea what purpose he
>serves, if he speaks "in code" to humans, can't effect the
>future, and has to be careful about how he interacts with the
>past.

Yeah, all good questions. No idea if there are "rules" he needs to follow as the Three-Eyed Raven, and no idea just how much impact he can have as Bran-the-crippled-Stark-kid.


>also for folks who keep talking about Martin's final book and
>what not, remember he told the show runners what he has and
>wants for the end. They just aint making it up

Indeed, there are major plot points that are going to be followed to a tee by D&D because those were decided a long, long time ago. It's the main factor that gives me hope that the series won't be tied up in a neat little Hollywood bow where everyone's favorite character goes home happy to their family. It's a dark, cynical, bittersweet story and the ending should reflect that.

  

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188. "agreed "
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I was just talking with friends that too many loved and hated characters are still alive:

Arya, Jon, Cersei, Jamie, Tyrion, Daenery, Greyworm, Misandei, Sansa, Little Finger, Brianne, Red Witch, The Hound, Varys...

when we think of the scope of the series (haven't read the books), there's no way more than 4 of those characters tops makes it to the end

  

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202. "probably similar to the time travel paradox"
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basically if he sees these people are the "bad ones" could him telling others of their plans or whatever be what leads to those outcomes


essentially cant fuck with fate

  

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194. "Agreed"
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>Storylines always get tricky when dealing with time travel
>since there's always some sort of silly way to wriggle out of
>dire situations. I have no idea what Bran's endgame will be
>in Martin's book but I really hope they handle it correctly in
>the show.

im a sucker for time travel stories because they are forced to deal with the implication of what happens when you start influencing/changing shit. Considering GOT has around 6,271 active storylines them tackling the metaphysical implications of time travel in any decent capacity ain't happening.

Right now we know the enemy (Night King) we know what needs to be done (people need to unite w/dragonglass, 'magic' swords and dem dragons) so Bran's omnipotent power isn't needed at this stage of the game unless its to help convince people (and still, considering he's already Dr. Manhattan detached as noted above, would he even be effective).

Ill allow a being like that existing as a fail safe to the end of the world; night king wins and the earth is literally a land of the dead. But a sizeable amount of the population is woke to the horror...not sure what game he has left to play outside of the fact in the world's lore there always has to be a three eyed raven on the job.

  

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196. "What was the implication of the Bran/Night King moment?"
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Because, to me, it seemed like the implication was that Bran was the Night King's biggest concern, someone with magic powers who knows everything about the White Walkers and how to defeat them. I might be wrong tho-- but that scene definitely seemed to imply that Bran's possession of the universe's knowledge was the most dangerous weapon in the Seven Kingdoms.

Also he's totes gonna blurt out to Sansa that Jon isn't really his brother, that he's a Targaryean. lol. Classic Bran.

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197. "RE: What was the implication of the Bran/Night King moment?"
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>Because, to me, it seemed like the implication was that Bran
>was the Night King's biggest concern, someone with magic
>powers who knows everything about the White Walkers and how to
>defeat them. I might be wrong tho-- but that scene definitely
>seemed to imply that Bran's possession of the universe's
>knowledge was the most dangerous weapon in the Seven Kingdoms.

In terms of defeating the Night King and the White Walkers, what does Bran know that Jon and Samwell don't know already? I'm not trying to be snarky with my question either; I thought all you needed was that special obsidian/dragonglass to fight the White Walkers and their ilk; how far off am I?

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198. "^^^Yup. Bran is useless plot wise on the show "
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We've got dragonglass that Sam used
We've got Valarian swords (even though seems only the baller lords/lordlesses have it...its the sword Jon Snow used to shatter one of em that Ned gave him)
Motherfucking dragons
Samewell has the middle ages wikipedia library of knowledge at his fingertips.

And if you needed a deus ex machina plot device of characters finding out shit they shouldn't know the 'Lord of The Light' religion has been giving niggas visions of the upcoming war fo free!

While I would love to know more about the whitewalkers and their hierarchy that Bran could shed light on (how do baby whitewalkers grow/learn?)...we already got the shitty cliffnote origin story in the Bran story line two years ago, lol.

  

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199. "RE: ^^^Yup. Bran is useless plot wise on the show "
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>We've got dragonglass that Sam used
>We've got Valarian swords (seems only the baller
>lords/lordlesses have it...its the sword Jon Snow used to
>shatter one of em that Ned gave him)
>Motherfucking dragons
>Samewell has the middle ages wikipedia library of knowledge at
>his fingertips.
>
>And if you needed a deus ex machina plot device of characters
>finding out shit they shouldn't know the 'Lord of The Light'
>religion has been giving niggas visions of the upcoming war fo
>free!
>
>While I would love to know more about the whitewalkers and
>their hierarchy that Bran could shed light on (how do baby
>whitewalkers grow/learn)...we already got the shitty cliffnote
>origin story in the Bran story line two years ago, lol.


Well, I wouldn't say he's completely useless since there are more to Game of Thrones universe than the White Walkers and Bran could provide a great deal of insight to Jon and Sansa, assuming he actually wants to try to influence things.

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201. "If the mark the Night King gave Bran allows him to break the Wall..."
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...as it did in the Three Eyed Raven's lair, I think Bran still has usefulness left.

Also, Bran is going to say something to Littlefinger about one of the many fucked up things he's done to make him be like "I need to kill this motherfucker"

  

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210. "Well, Bran knows how they're made/where they come from/etc."
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Don't Jon and Sam only know the dragonglass thing? Not saying that isn't important, but knowing literally *everything* about the adversary, including everything that adversary will do in the future, seems insanely important.

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212. "It's been a while, and I've only seen the episode once..."
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