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"Westworld (Season 1, HBO)"


  

          

Anybody watching? I loved the movie as a kid, so I've been anticipating this for a while.

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I watched it and I'm intrigued
Oct 02nd 2016
1
Just finished first episode. It's creepy
Oct 02nd 2016
2
Very strong start. Ed Harris killing it.
Oct 03rd 2016
3
they did a good job of laying out the world
Oct 03rd 2016
4
It's Crichton so it will obviously go to a theme park run amok
Oct 03rd 2016
7
      RE: It's Crichton so it will obviously go to a theme park run amok
Oct 03rd 2016
9
           I want to say he's a bot but something about that scene on the cliff
Oct 03rd 2016
12
                Robot or human
Oct 03rd 2016
13
                     All valid points
Oct 03rd 2016
15
                     that no one has tripped over his shootouts, says to me that he's a guest
Oct 03rd 2016
17
                          i got guest
Oct 03rd 2016
19
                               Right
Oct 04th 2016
23
                                    See thats whats so strange
Oct 04th 2016
26
                                         Was I the only one who thought corporate espionage?
Oct 04th 2016
28
                                              this
Oct 04th 2016
29
                                              I wanted to go that route at first
Oct 05th 2016
39
                                                   Interesting.
Oct 05th 2016
40
                     I think it's a Jonathon Nolan suspension of disbelief for that.
Oct 04th 2016
24
That Black Hole Sun piano cover
Oct 03rd 2016
5
The piano covers were great; Black Hole Sun and Paint it Black
Oct 03rd 2016
6
      yeah the first time i was like is that...
Oct 03rd 2016
20
      Yeah, I was like "Are they ripping off Paint It Black?"
Oct 04th 2016
25
      RE: The piano covers were great; Black Hole Sun and Paint it Black
Oct 04th 2016
27
I'm in
Oct 03rd 2016
8
Lookin forward to an Ed Harris vs Anthony Hopkins showdown
Oct 03rd 2016
10
Strongest pilot I've seen in a long time.
Oct 03rd 2016
11
I feel like this is going to be very good but not get ratings.
Oct 03rd 2016
14
I agree. Great show but won't get the attention it needs to last.
Oct 10th 2016
57
I thought the pilot was great and am surprised by some of the mixed
Oct 03rd 2016
16
Reviews had me like "meh", Episode was like "Got Damn!!!"
Oct 04th 2016
30
i went from "ehh this aight" to "holy fucking shit" in 1 hr
Oct 03rd 2016
18
i'm totally in
Oct 03rd 2016
21
Impressive premier
Oct 04th 2016
22
First episodes don't get better than this. I don't understand reviews
Oct 04th 2016
31
I think episode 3 and 4 are the "problem"
Oct 05th 2016
32
      I had to watch the first 4 episodes of GoT like 4 times.
Oct 05th 2016
33
      I was hooked from ep 1 of Thrones.
Oct 05th 2016
36
           Only because the reviewers are doing it.
Oct 06th 2016
41
                Sorry, that "you" was more of a global "you"
Oct 06th 2016
42
      The reviewers may have a point.
Oct 05th 2016
34
      Yeah, I think it'll have to retain almost all of those viewers
Oct 05th 2016
35
           The Walking Dead returns soon
Oct 05th 2016
38
      ah interesting
Oct 05th 2016
37
      *shrug* I cna appreciate their need to worldbuild
Oct 13th 2016
83
Episode 2 is up on HBOGo and on demand early
Oct 07th 2016
43
Good looks, that premiere was the shit
Oct 07th 2016
44
Second episode is even better.
Oct 07th 2016
45
Yep.
Oct 07th 2016
46
Outstanding second episode.
Oct 08th 2016
47
RE: Outstanding second episode.
Oct 08th 2016
48
What was the song covered by the piano this week?
Oct 08th 2016
49
It was Radiohead's "No Surprises".
Oct 09th 2016
51
      I hope all the piano covers are
Oct 11th 2016
64
           RE: I hope all the piano covers are
May 15th 2017
469
Just started. I just hope someone fucks James Marsden's wife
Oct 09th 2016
50
I've always been a fan of Marsden....
Oct 11th 2016
61
James Mardson is WESTWORLD's Kenny.
Oct 09th 2016
52
Well I'm sold. Still gonna need a good cuckhold though.
Oct 09th 2016
53
Basically!
Oct 09th 2016
54
LOL
Oct 10th 2016
59
You bastards!
Oct 11th 2016
60
Good read *spoilers for ep 2*
Oct 10th 2016
55
Spoiler Episode 2
Oct 10th 2016
56
Didn't even consider that...
Oct 11th 2016
62
I think so.
Oct 11th 2016
65
      Wee Bey Gif
Oct 11th 2016
66
           Or did someone else build it?
Oct 11th 2016
72
                It could be something he just stumbled on
Oct 12th 2016
75
i'm really enjoying this show
Oct 10th 2016
58
This is what I wanted Humans to be.
Oct 11th 2016
63
      I dont think the mysteries are that big yet
Oct 11th 2016
68
      why er'body focusing on Hopkins, Wright also seems to be
Nov 20th 2016
234
      RE: This is what I wanted Humans to be.
Oct 11th 2016
69
See people talking about the connection between this show and GTA?
Oct 11th 2016
67
i thought about that alot during this past episode...
Oct 11th 2016
70
I stopped going gonzo with the violence
Oct 11th 2016
71
      me too
Oct 11th 2016
73
Definitely. It makes me want to dust of Red Dead Redemption
Oct 13th 2016
79
if the hosts built the church, ill be pissed
Oct 12th 2016
74
RE: if the hosts built the church, ill be pissed
Oct 13th 2016
76
I'm prepping myself for some leaps in logic
Oct 13th 2016
77
So is the new guy from the beginning...
Oct 13th 2016
78
New guy from episode 2?
Oct 13th 2016
80
Yeah
Oct 13th 2016
81
      Sepinwall shot it down.
Oct 13th 2016
82
           Kind of dickish for Sepinwall to debunk theory based on his insider
Oct 14th 2016
84
                I was torn; I wouldn't say it's a spoiler but it feels unnecessary
Oct 14th 2016
85
                     but...
Oct 18th 2016
91
                          I actually think that's a good example of when to do it.
Oct 18th 2016
92
                               totally not neccessary
Oct 31st 2016
118
                                    Sepinwall now thinks it might be right.
Nov 02nd 2016
131
                                         ha!
Nov 03rd 2016
136
                                              I feel like knowing it now will help me accept it.
Nov 03rd 2016
141
                                                   *fastens seatbelt*
Nov 03rd 2016
143
Sepinwall addresses William as the Men In Black Theory in more detail
Oct 17th 2016
88
I'm enjoying it, despite some shit that either majorly doesn't make sens...
Oct 16th 2016
86
Agreed, I dug the episode
Oct 17th 2016
87
Yeah, Maeve being back made no sense
Oct 17th 2016
89
are we further along in the timeline?
Oct 18th 2016
93
      She had a flashback to what she saw while running around
Oct 18th 2016
94
i'm in, but the barrier for me is, I don't give a shit about the
Nov 20th 2016
233
I can kind of get what the critics complained about
Oct 17th 2016
90
Episode 4: Hopkins and Harris bringing it.
Oct 24th 2016
95
it seems ridiculous that we'd be watching two timelines
Oct 24th 2016
97
Dolores being with Bernard and then back with William was odd
Oct 24th 2016
98
      I feel like the moments with Bernard and Delores
Oct 24th 2016
99
      RE: Dolores and Bernard
Oct 26th 2016
106
I think we have (spoilers)
Oct 25th 2016
100
I thought that too.
Oct 25th 2016
101
      That's fair
Oct 26th 2016
105
Here's what Sepniwall says on the 30 years apart theory after Episode 4
Oct 30th 2016
109
      Episode 5 seems to be pro-30 year timeline argument
Oct 31st 2016
117
Really love the theological journey this show is taking me on
Oct 24th 2016
96
Heres a theory i really need to be false:
Oct 25th 2016
102
Oh man...and we the viewers are getting too attached to them
Oct 25th 2016
103
sounds probable
Oct 26th 2016
104
That would be too meta for me.
Oct 26th 2016
107
love the subject line
Oct 26th 2016
108
I mean, i don't see how this is NOT what is going to happen
Nov 20th 2016
235
Episode 5 Contrapasso
Oct 30th 2016
110
Episode Five was the best yet
Oct 30th 2016
111
Maeve sitting up on the table was awesome. She and Delores are becoming ...
Oct 31st 2016
113
Nah I don't think thats the maze
Oct 31st 2016
116
agreed
Oct 31st 2016
119
The emerging feminist themes are really well done
Oct 31st 2016
120
      on the other hand thoughts on this?
Nov 02nd 2016
126
           As a straight black male, I wasn't too bothered by it.
Nov 02nd 2016
128
           I think it's relevant to add
Nov 02nd 2016
129
           westworld hasn't attached enough weight to anything
Nov 03rd 2016
132
           It offended me I gotta admit.
Nov 03rd 2016
135
           read that as well
Nov 03rd 2016
138
           It offended me a lil bit too
Nov 15th 2016
194
           btw y'all not, not commenting because i don't or do agree
Nov 03rd 2016
137
           i felt that shit as soon as it happened. wack
Nov 20th 2016
236
this shit is cooking now
Nov 20th 2016
237
I'm starting to think Ford wants the park to go crazy again
Oct 30th 2016
112
On that note...
Oct 31st 2016
114
      Yea he has a control over the park that no one does
Oct 31st 2016
115
           RE: Yea he has a control over the park that no one does
Nov 01st 2016
122
                I think he does
Nov 01st 2016
123
What do we think of the theory that...
Nov 01st 2016
121
you should read the replies in this post
Nov 01st 2016
124
Sooo, didn't the last episode swing things back towards there
Nov 02nd 2016
125
      I thought this... but then I realized that was dumb.
Nov 02nd 2016
127
           Where was the logo debunked?
Nov 02nd 2016
130
           It's on Reddit somewhere. EDIT: actually...
Nov 07th 2016
155
           what is the logo theory?
Nov 03rd 2016
133
                When William arrives, it's a different logo
Nov 03rd 2016
134
i'm open to it again
Nov 03rd 2016
139
      Im just kind of lost and going with it. I hope it doesn't get too cute
Nov 03rd 2016
140
      same
Nov 03rd 2016
144
      if that's what they're doing, I hate it.
Nov 03rd 2016
142
           but...
Nov 03rd 2016
145
Westworld Episode 6 Weeks Ahead - Wow
Nov 04th 2016
146
"the weeks ahead" those aren't clips from a single episode
Nov 04th 2016
147
      Preciate it. My mistake. I am hyped off this show.
Nov 04th 2016
148
i just noticed in the credits charles yu is working on this
Nov 05th 2016
149
yeah, we're watching this one too...i'm in so far...
Nov 06th 2016
150
On that William = The Man in Black Theory
Nov 07th 2016
151
No. I don't believe she's been in a scene with him
Nov 07th 2016
152
      Thanks! I couldn't remember and I wasn't going back to watch again
Nov 07th 2016
154
Keeps getting better. Plus, Tessa Thompson!
Nov 07th 2016
153
i THOUGHT that was the OG Man In Black
Nov 08th 2016
160
The one aspect of the recent episode that bugged me
Nov 07th 2016
156
I doubt they track when she's going in for repairs
Nov 07th 2016
157
RE: I doubt they track when she's going in for repairs
Nov 07th 2016
158
RE: I doubt they track when she's going in for repairs
Nov 08th 2016
159
      well
Nov 09th 2016
163
It is odd, I agree.
Nov 08th 2016
161
i think that's kinda the point though
Nov 09th 2016
162
      I generally agree with you...
Nov 09th 2016
164
           true
Nov 09th 2016
165
look, it's better-than-middle seasons Lost. it doesn't make sense
Nov 09th 2016
166
it was kinda explained
Nov 12th 2016
167
agreed. i don't see the Asian dude at his position making that
Nov 20th 2016
238
"doesn't look like anything to me"
Nov 14th 2016
168
Yeah, they're clearly going two timelines.
Nov 14th 2016
169
Overthinking but could it be the future?
Nov 14th 2016
173
      I'd be all for that, actually.
Nov 14th 2016
175
lol, it's funny because it was the first episode I thought he was
Nov 14th 2016
178
Now I'm curious
Nov 14th 2016
170
Were the reveries his covert way to fuck up what they stole?
Nov 14th 2016
172
That makes him more of a liability, so
Nov 14th 2016
180
What's Ford's End Game?
Nov 14th 2016
187
The hosts can record everything, so you'd assume Ford reviews
Nov 18th 2016
230
The hosts can record everything, so you'd assume Ford reviews
Nov 18th 2016
231
What makes this, Insecure, & Atlanta better than Netflix
Nov 14th 2016
171
POST 28!
Nov 14th 2016
174
      Also, if B = A
Nov 14th 2016
177
      Head exploded a little bit with this idea.
Nov 14th 2016
179
      No offence but I wanna let the story unfold on
Nov 14th 2016
183
           Same, kinda
Nov 14th 2016
184
           Yeah, I never get attached to them.
Nov 14th 2016
185
           Same for me
Nov 15th 2016
195
           in this line
Nov 20th 2016
240
Finally! Westworld renewed. Might not come back until 2018
Nov 14th 2016
176
Pretty interesting how HBO is running things now.
Nov 15th 2016
193
      If that's true, they have learned to better adjust for risk
Nov 17th 2016
227
           Vinyl adds itself to that list.... BUT!
Nov 24th 2016
260
                RE: Vinyl adds itself to that list.... BUT!
Nov 28th 2016
279
The other great reveal of the ‘Trompe L’Oeil’ epsiode
Nov 14th 2016
181
Just as important
Nov 14th 2016
182
RE: The other great reveal of the ‘Trompe L’Oeil’ epsiode
Nov 14th 2016
189
agreed
Nov 20th 2016
242
uhh, no. from about episode two/three, Ford was fucn creep
Nov 20th 2016
241
Great episode
Nov 14th 2016
186
That moment was when my mind when to "holy shit" mode
Nov 17th 2016
228
I'm glad y'all liked it, but it seemed heavy handed
Nov 18th 2016
229
"what door?" is my favorite line of the series
Nov 24th 2016
265
yeah....
Nov 14th 2016
188
"that doesnt mean anything to me"
Nov 14th 2016
190
she was stealing data for Delos
Nov 15th 2016
191
      one of the things that doesn't make sense about this show
Nov 15th 2016
196
           Right?
Nov 15th 2016
197
           There needs to be a Vox.com blogger character.
Nov 15th 2016
198
           if that's not in S2 are they even trying?
Nov 16th 2016
199
           Only if they can get Kate Mara to play that role
Nov 16th 2016
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           From your description
Nov 16th 2016
211
           But it's against robots.
Nov 16th 2016
200
           does it matter that it's a robot if they have video of it fucking you in...
Nov 16th 2016
202
                To test that theory out
Nov 16th 2016
203
                For a show about what it means to be human/conscious...
Nov 16th 2016
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                     RE: For a show about what it means to be human/conscious...
Nov 16th 2016
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                          If anything those folks go believing that no one is recording what they ...
Nov 16th 2016
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                               I think that's projecting alot of 2016 values on their situation.
Nov 16th 2016
209
                                    y'all are focusing on very different things
Nov 16th 2016
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                                    RE: y'all are focusing on very different things
Nov 16th 2016
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                                         not really
Nov 16th 2016
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                                              In 2016 a very rich man said I grab women in the pussy because I
Nov 17th 2016
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                                                   thank you for establishing how ridiculous it would have to be
Nov 17th 2016
224
                                    You're spot on, yet almost there.
Nov 24th 2016
261
                Tessa clearly did not give a damn
Nov 17th 2016
219
                     true (also, are we not going to discuss tessa being naked?)
Nov 17th 2016
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                          truuuuue
Nov 20th 2016
244
           Cause Rich People don't go to Vegas, Rio, Dubai, Thailand
Nov 16th 2016
210
           they wouldn't go if every prostitute was wearing a GoPro
Nov 16th 2016
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           I'm sure they'd have a NDA w/the corporation prohibiting release of that
Nov 16th 2016
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           and that will do you a ton of good when a video "leaks" out
Nov 16th 2016
218
           i hate to be this guy with you, but furthermore
Nov 20th 2016
243
                maybe there's an external plotline that makes all ok
Nov 21st 2016
249
Bernard was right though
Nov 15th 2016
192
From her perspective, you can't really blame her though.
Nov 16th 2016
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      RE: From her perspective, you can't really blame her though.
Nov 16th 2016
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      she knows Ford has exceptional control over the robots
Nov 16th 2016
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           yep
Nov 17th 2016
220
           i'm still not convinced the "board member" wasn't a robot too
Nov 17th 2016
222
                I love that girl but she seems miscast.
Nov 17th 2016
223
                     but maybe she's an alien?
Nov 17th 2016
225
                          VAMPIRE!
Nov 18th 2016
232
                               LOFL at both of these replies
Nov 20th 2016
245
                                    right?
Nov 28th 2016
280
would Hotel California playing on the cantina piano be too
Nov 20th 2016
239
haha they 1 upped me
Nov 20th 2016
246
Someone clear something up for me
Nov 21st 2016
247
He's the head of park security...which means a bulk of robot wranglin
Nov 21st 2016
248
I wasn't sure how he might have known
Nov 21st 2016
250
Yeah. I assume most of the workers live there
Nov 21st 2016
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      RE: Yeah. I assume most of the workers live there
Nov 21st 2016
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           I assume it's a tiny explosive.
Nov 21st 2016
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                RE: I assume it's a tiny explosive.
Nov 21st 2016
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                That he'd be more on her side
Nov 21st 2016
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                I'm still struggling to understand the Asian dude's motivation
Nov 23rd 2016
257
                     if we are going by Felix isnt a host then my opinion is
Nov 23rd 2016
258
                     I think he's just Cap'n Sav-A-Host
Nov 23rd 2016
259
                     The humans and hosts are parallels
Nov 24th 2016
263
I just took it as how we usually know when two co-workers are fucking
Nov 21st 2016
256
RE: Westworld (Season 1, HBO)
Nov 24th 2016
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hmm
Nov 24th 2016
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RE: hmm
Nov 25th 2016
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I'm not convinced there weren't *any* hints.
Nov 24th 2016
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      Theres that one line from Maeve.
Nov 24th 2016
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      RE: I'm not convinced there weren't *any* hints.
Nov 25th 2016
269
HBO has a marathon on ... all theories tested and true thus far.
Nov 26th 2016
270
the two things I think I'm most sure on
Nov 26th 2016
271
      I agree with you. I think Ford is using the "accident" that killed Arnol...
Nov 26th 2016
272
I'll be honest-- I sort of wish I'd read none of the theories, lol.
Nov 28th 2016
273
so you probably dont want to hear my theory?
Nov 28th 2016
274
Agreed... or be privy to them.
Nov 28th 2016
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***
Nov 28th 2016
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Same
Nov 28th 2016
278
Honestly, reading all these theories takes away from the enjoyment for m...
Nov 28th 2016
281
I'd prefer more story and less mystery
Nov 28th 2016
282
      this. and Ford goes on one more dumb ass humanity aint shit
Nov 29th 2016
284
           i love the philosphical questions posed personally nm
Nov 30th 2016
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                what are the philosophical questions?
Nov 30th 2016
289
                the discussions revolving around whats "alive"
Nov 30th 2016
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                     none of those things are presented as questions
Nov 30th 2016
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                          I absolutely see it as two opposing view points
Nov 30th 2016
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                               this could be true, if we'd ever actually heard Arnold's POV
Nov 30th 2016
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                                    whether or not its Arnold's actual view point, its still posed as
Nov 30th 2016
294
                                         until and unless we hear what Arnold actually believes
Nov 30th 2016
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                                              I disagree
Nov 30th 2016
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                                              I think we have heard shades of Arnold actually....
Dec 02nd 2016
300
                                                   there's still too many missing pieces
Dec 02nd 2016
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                                                        I agree, there are still a ton of questions.
Dec 02nd 2016
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                                                        I don't think that they can't fill in the blanks
Dec 02nd 2016
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                                                        hes trying to get them to remember what they have forgotten
Dec 02nd 2016
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                                                             did I miss it when they said that?
Dec 02nd 2016
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                                                                  apparently yes
Dec 02nd 2016
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                                                                       well, the entire pyramid, but the theory is that
Dec 02nd 2016
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                                                                            I get what your saying, but it doesnt matter if its all ford or not
Dec 02nd 2016
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                                                                                 we don't even really know what the pyramid is
Dec 02nd 2016
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                                                                                      I disagree entirely
Dec 02nd 2016
315
                no philosophical questions anywhere
Dec 04th 2016
326
                     At no point were you and I discussing if the hosts showed signs of conci...
Dec 04th 2016
330
                          they are wrong. Maeve didn't realize ANYTHING
Dec 05th 2016
333
                               Actually, in the train, Maeve finally takes agency for herself.
Dec 05th 2016
340
                               that blog post was written long before the final episode.
Dec 05th 2016
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                                    No idea what blog post you're talking about.
Dec 05th 2016
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                                         the article linked above that I was talking about
Dec 05th 2016
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                                              Which one?
Dec 05th 2016
383
                                                   reply 330
Dec 05th 2016
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                                                        Agreed, she was programmed with the pretense of freedom.
Dec 05th 2016
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                                                             maybe. the one thing we know for sure
Dec 05th 2016
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                                                             It's fine to question as we go along.
Dec 05th 2016
419
                                                                  how can there be "no question" maeve acted on her own?
Dec 05th 2016
431
                                                                       I mean, are we watching the same show?
Dec 05th 2016
436
                                                                            Have you forgotten that we don't know if what Bernard sees is really
Dec 06th 2016
442
                                                                                 Not sure what evidence there is to support this.
Dec 07th 2016
459
                                                                                 He saw a wall where was no wall. That's insertion.
Dec 08th 2016
464
                                                             How did she break the loop?
Dec 05th 2016
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                                                                  Screenshot from post #372 - "MAINLAND INFILTRATION"
Dec 05th 2016
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                                                                       Assume nothing.
Dec 05th 2016
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                                                                            Like I said in post #419...
Dec 05th 2016
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                                                                                 That's bad storytelling.
Dec 05th 2016
429
                                                                                 Seriously, are we watching the same show?
Dec 05th 2016
438
                                                                                 Yeah. The show where we thought we saw Maeve break free before
Dec 05th 2016
440
                                                                                 your argument is that because any other interpretation
Dec 05th 2016
432
                               Per Nolan, Maeve leaving the train was her decision
Dec 06th 2016
450
                                    that's the dumbest shit of all time.
Dec 06th 2016
453
                                         I appreciate that stuff, wish there was more of it, production-wise
Dec 06th 2016
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                                              That moment was thematically and narratively consistent.
Dec 07th 2016
456
                                                   You've failed to defend how it was shown in the narrative.
Dec 07th 2016
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                                                        Copy pasted from a series of my posts:
Dec 07th 2016
461
                                                             And none of them answer: "How do we know it's not a program?"
Dec 07th 2016
463
So the picture Logan shows/gives William... (SPOILERS)
Nov 28th 2016
277
I like this comment about Bernard and Maeve on Vulture.com:
Nov 29th 2016
283
thing is I don't see race within the world of the story
Nov 29th 2016
285
      I completely agree with you, however I think as a viewer
Nov 30th 2016
286
      The etymology of the Word robot is slave labor
Dec 01st 2016
297
           and your reply does nothing to address my point(s) about how
Dec 01st 2016
298
                it's an aesthetics show
Dec 02nd 2016
299
is it just me or has every Westworld podcast gone off the fucking rails
Nov 30th 2016
287
How does the Board not know Arnold is Bernard?
Dec 02nd 2016
301
and how did no one notice him not aging.
Dec 02nd 2016
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      arnold was dead by the time the board took over
Dec 02nd 2016
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           but Ford has a picture of Arnold in his office
Dec 02nd 2016
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           you are right about the picture however
Dec 02nd 2016
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           I thought william and logan were from the Board. I could be wrong.
Dec 04th 2016
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                exactly
Dec 04th 2016
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                     the internet doesn't disappear.
Dec 04th 2016
327
                          you assume alot
Dec 04th 2016
331
                          that the man in black knows all about Arnold
Dec 05th 2016
334
                          I assume Ford took total control/hid Arnold's work and death
Dec 05th 2016
332
                               but like...they must've had investors from the beginning
Dec 05th 2016
337
                                    Yeah, it's why the outside world/origins were overlooked
Dec 05th 2016
342
                                         the william/logan thing also tripped over one of my q's
Dec 05th 2016
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                                              I was waiting for that the entire time.
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                                              What would be the point of that?
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                                                   The repercussion being getting to take over a company
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                                                        RE: The repercussion being getting to take over a company
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                                                             Disneyland isn't about raping and murdering people
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                                                                  Insert "random theme park" for Disneyland.
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                                                                       None of that is supported in the show
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                                                                            RE: None of that is supported in the show
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                                                                                 RE: None of that is supported in the show
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                                                                                      RE: None of that is supported in the show
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                                                                                      You're moving the goalposts. Ineffectively at that.
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                                              In general, the guests don't seem to interact with one another.
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The only Westworld explanation that matters
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two seperate articles complaining about "online theories"
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Sooo overstated.
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      I just cant be the kind of person that goes around looking at
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           To me the bigger question wasn't whether William was the Man in
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The finale did not disappoint.
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good stuff nm
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it seemed obvious his plan was to kill the board.
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agreed
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Soooo, was Maeve getting off the train...
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Definitely free will. n/m
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I honestly think the writers haven't decided yet.
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I wish this was it to be honest
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Elsie is the new Barb
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yeah, so...elsie's fate is just.....up in the air?
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I think Elsie and Stubbs are still alive.
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Elsie got bodied by Bernard and Stubbs is probably gone too
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Reply 346.
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      Ugh They gotta explain the why
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The way I figure it, the only character who's definitely dead is Ford
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      And honestly, Ford *might* not be dead either.
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           there didn't seem to be any reason for Ford needing to die
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                As presented, it makes little narrative sense for him not to be dead
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                I believe that he's really dead
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                "The stakes need to be real"
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                     yeah, but he just murked the board too.
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They showed Elise getting killed by
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      Yeah. Elsie's definitely gone.
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      *potential future spoilers*
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           Yeah, I just saw this too. Confirms my thought.
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                No body, no death
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                     That would be incredibly lame.
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                          I think it's Ford planting the memory of her death.
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                               She'd be cool with mass murder?
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                                    I'm not speaking on her motivations, just Ford's.
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                                         What would she be doing?
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                                              It's just as possible Ford says to her...
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                                                   Right, I'm not trying to write Season 2 here.
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                                                        And I'm betting that it's going to be a lame reveal
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                                                             And I trust them to make it not lame.
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      If we want to get technical...
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      And if you notice how often Teddy's memory of "Wyatt" was manipulated
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      Teddy's arc is great.
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      See that's the problem with shows like this or Lost
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      they did not actually show her getting killed
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yeah i thought that was elsies body they found
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well, shit.
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Two things
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RE: Two things
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i hope this is true
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So what happened to Logan?
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If there's no body, then his survival's a possibility.
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I wonder if there's a connection with Logan and Hector
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i think he just got embarrassed
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that didn't make any sense at all to me
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I thought maybe William would pin all the killings on him
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      william pretty much said it
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           But wasn't Williams complaining about his place in the company?
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           Right, but their demeanor would have thrown anyone off the scent
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                He was stripped naked and tied up on a horse!
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                     It's Wedding Crashers.
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                          Except William is never presented as a real threat to Logan
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                               RE: Except William is never presented as a real threat to Logan
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                               You don't think most CEOs are self-aggrandizing and two-faced?
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                               He's not supposed to be a threat to Logan until the end...
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                                    If we're now questioning whether he cared for Dolores...
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                                         RE: If we're now questioning whether he cared for Dolores...
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                                              I'm talking about what's on the show.
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                                                   Right, so am I.
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                                                   Your arguments are Wedding Crashers and Kim Jong Un
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                                                        Fair enough, I see where you're coming from.
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                                                   No on should be arguing actual instability vs stability
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           I think is it but it wasn't great storytelling. Could have laid more gr...
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Leader of the Ghost Nation?
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      That's an interesting thought...
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Who the hell is Wyatt?
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I'm pretty sure "Wyatt" is a program.
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      Right.
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           making Wyatt part of Teddy's backstory seems ridiculous
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                It was cornerstone of his new character, no?
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                IIRC, Dolores had the Wyatt program.
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                     I thought Teddy said "I don't know why I'm doing this."
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                     He did say that, but it's relevant in either context.
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                     this makes sense to me
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                kinda agreed
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Great finale.
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I'm just happy Jeffrey Wright is back again.
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Harris had the Bill Murray smile when Max Fischer put bees in his room
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i loved seeing him smile
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this is a dumb and random question
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So William is basically that dude at the Strip Club who thought
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Yep
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Haha. And then he bought the club!
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he's the ultimate superfan who bought the team
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That's... actually a really great point. LOL
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like that's superfan move #1
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That's pretty good. I haven't read that observation anywhere.
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LOL perfect
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Great close to season 1, cannot wait for 2
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finally watched the finale. agreed with the love/hate of the comments
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1. "I watched it and I'm intrigued"
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I love westerns and sci-fi so the blend piques my interest.

I thought the first episode was solid and gave us a good glimpse of the layers of the show moving forward.

I'll be watching it for sure.

  

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2. "Just finished first episode. It's creepy "
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It really sets a creepy tone leading to the obvious point about the "hosts". I feel like its well acted. Ed Harris plays intimidating so well his Man in Black in most def a step above Brynner's. Btw Props for Marsden. Always been a fan of his and I hope he gets some good time.


It also has a great backstory thats an obvious nod to Future World, I just wonder how long a series like this can last due to the story, but I'm all in.


Someone said this on twitter "Why does Michael Crichton hate theme parks?"




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3. "Very strong start. Ed Harris killing it."
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The Next Week On has me hyped or whatever is to come. Looks intense.
When that last host was talking to Hopkins I was kinda uncomfortable.

  

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4. "they did a good job of laying out the world "
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but I'm not sure where it's going to go.

ed harris is like TAKE ME TO THE DEEPER LEVEL...ok

the only truly interesting thing is the pop droid finding the note or whatever it was.


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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7. "It's Crichton so it will obviously go to a theme park run amok "
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I'm still not so sure that the Man in Black is human.

Perhaps he is a robot that was "reassigned" a new role but remembers his more sinister role he has played in the past and also wants to find his maker? The hole in this theory is that he was shot and didn't die. However, we did see the Milk Bandit get shot and not die.

  

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9. "RE: It's Crichton so it will obviously go to a theme park run amok "
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>I'm still not so sure that the Man in Black is human.
>
>Perhaps he is a robot that was "reassigned" a new role but
>remembers his more sinister role he has played in the past and
>also wants to find his maker? The hole in this theory is that
>he was shot and didn't die. However, we did see the Milk
>Bandit get shot and not die.

After the steam ended on HBO Now, there was a Behind the Scenes feature for that Ed Harris/James Mardsen scene. On the feature, James Mardsen said Ed Harris' character was human while he was a robot. Unless Mardsen is trolling and/or misinforming the audience willing or unwillingly, it appears The Man In Black isn't a robot. Your theory is an interesting one though and it almost makes me wish I didn't see that Behind the Scenes clip.

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12. "I want to say he's a bot but something about that scene on the cliff"
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He mentioned people come there kill the bots (referencing murdering Natives) but he had done all of that and wanted to see what was behind the whole thing.

So he obviously knows it's a theme park but that could also just be he's the first one to become fully self-aware.

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13. "Robot or human"
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what's weird is that none of the folks running West World seem to care what he's doing. Maybe it's because the robots are easily replaceable and inanimate objects, but they don't seem to care about dude raping and scalping the robots. I guess that could be because we the audience can easily identify and relate with the robots, at least so far.

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15. "All valid points"
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I guess thats going to be what this series is going to boil down what happens when the line becomes more than blurred.

But yea it's odd no one is even batting an eye at what dude is doing, makes me figure he's a guest that's gone over the deep end.

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17. "that no one has tripped over his shootouts, says to me that he's a guest"
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19. "i got guest"
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but i suspect with that kind of damaging the merchandise he might have over stayed his welcome

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23. "Right"
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shootouts are one thing given the Western motif, but raping and then scalping robots is a bit over the line IMO. I guess it remains to be seen what kind of character the Ed Harris character is outside of the robot reality.

I wonder if he's taking these steps because he wants attention from the folks running Westworld.

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26. "See thats whats so strange"
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I get the raping thing, they are basically letting folks do what they want here, but the scalping? That screams "We have a problem here." I think dude has been there too long or too many times and now is digging deeper into what the park is about.

Also, there is the theme of what the company is doing cause they mention how the park is different things to the various stakeholders (an obvious nod to the plot of FutureWorld).

The Man in Black's motivations really are will be interesting to find out.

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28. "Was I the only one who thought corporate espionage?"
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The shot of the scalp and what I assumed was the tech in it made me think he was out for that. Either corporate espionage or a military person/black market arms dealer trying to find a way to make robot soldiers.
Maybe fucking with the one girl was to establish that they won't remember it was him that did it or something.
You'd still think the people running the shop would be on it though.

Unrelated, part of me thinks Geoffrey Wright might be a robot.

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29. "this"
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>You'd still think the people running the shop would be on it
>though.


but things seem to be unraveling in general though
not on top of quite a few things...
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39. "I wanted to go that route at first"
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Then they showed later parts of the season and you can see The Man In Black w Marseden telling him something about him being a robot.

Also the shot of the symbol from dude's scalp drawn in sand with somebody laying in the middle told me it's not corporate or military.

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40. "Interesting. "
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I missed those.

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24. "I think it's a Jonathon Nolan suspension of disbelief for that."
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Everything he says is that he's a guest. His not being able to be shot pretty clearly defines him as a guest and I think that was supposed to be the surprise since the man in black in the original is a robot.

Then he takes the one robot out and scalps him for what I assume is the tech that's lodged in the top of his head.

Does it make sense that people lost track of him? That during a time in which robots are going haywire that nobody pays much attention to him kidnapping a robot and making it go offline? Not really but I think we're supposed to just overlook that moment.

EDIT: I guess there could be some kind of suspension of disbelief about him being a robot that's gone rogue and somehow gotten out of the loop so he's deemed a guest but that might require an even bigger suspension of disbelief.

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5. "That Black Hole Sun piano cover"
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woke me the hell up when it played. Interesting show so far; is the the first sci-fi show HBO has done? I'm sure it isn't, but I'm curious how long of a leash HBO will give this show. I hope the ratings for this are huge. The Walking Dead returns soon if I'm not mistaken, so that could take some bite our of the numbers.

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6. "The piano covers were great; Black Hole Sun and Paint it Black"
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We're done really well and worked for both scenes. I hope they keep doing these piano covers going forward.

  

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20. "yeah the first time i was like is that..."
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maybe
second time i was like
it is! and the the first as well
interesting!
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25. "Yeah, I was like "Are they ripping off Paint It Black?""
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And then realized that they were covering it.

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27. "RE: The piano covers were great; Black Hole Sun and Paint it Black"
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>I hope
>they keep doing these piano covers going forward.

I guess it's a good thing I have streaming access versus having to watch the show live because I had to rewind the scene when I recognized what was playing; I had difficulty paying attention to the dialogue at first.

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8. "I'm in"
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waiting for the mothballed AI's to go crazy

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10. "Lookin forward to an Ed Harris vs Anthony Hopkins showdown"
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Nice to see J-No branch out from his bro a bit too

Didn't know he's behind Person of Interest but heard good things bout that one as well

  

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11. "Strongest pilot I've seen in a long time."
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I'm in.

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14. "I feel like this is going to be very good but not get ratings."
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And given the price, I wouldn't be stunned if it only saw two seasons.

Great pilot. Understated to the point that I could see a lot of people will be confused. But I was impressed. I read some mixed reviews but I thought it was a pretty great pilot.

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57. "I agree. Great show but won't get the attention it needs to last."
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I'm hoping this catches on. But it's a crowded field - The walking dead, game of thrones etc.

  

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16. "I thought the pilot was great and am surprised by some of the mixed "
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reviews for last nights episode.

I really like this cast.

I can't wait for next week.

  

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30. "Reviews had me like "meh", Episode was like "Got Damn!!!""
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>reviews for last nights episode.
>
>I really like this cast.
>
>I can't wait for next week.


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18. "i went from "ehh this aight" to "holy fucking shit" in 1 hr"
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that's a hell of a pilot

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21. "i'm totally in"
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didnt watch the 70s movie

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22. "Impressive premier "
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Can't wait to see where this goes

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31. "First episodes don't get better than this. I don't understand reviews"
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A bunch were like, this is no Game of Thrones.

I don't remember GoT first episode being this good.

Either it's not what people expected or the show falls off in later episodes and reviewers know this.


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32. "I think episode 3 and 4 are the "problem""
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Critics only got four of the ten episodes but the complaint I've read the most is that the show doesn't come together to mean anything (an odd complaint after just four episodes) and that after two strong eps, there's a shift that the critics didn't like and that they didn't think was stronger than where the first two eps were heading. Or that the show doesn't know what it wants to be as the 3rd and 4th ep veer off course.

It's an especially odd critique because some of the critics writing it are the ones I believe who wrote thinkpieces about how people are judging shows too quickly and are demanding too many answers, etc. You can't win.

I'm guessing that the Game of Thrones complaint is that Thrones was a focused story whereas this one is more understated and meandering in the first four eps. Kind of an odd critique; says more about the viewer than the show IMO.

Random Trivia: The original Game of Thrones pilot was supposedly terrible and they had to do a lot of reshoots/editing to fix it.

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33. "I had to watch the first 4 episodes of GoT like 4 times. "
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I thought these critics were forgetting that GoT really wasn't an easy show to get into within the first 3 or 4 episodes.


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36. "I was hooked from ep 1 of Thrones."
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I'm with the critics on that one but, at the same time, I don't know how you come away from that pilot and compare it to Game of Thrones. It's like comparing Mad Men to Walking Dead because they're both on AMC.

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41. "Only because the reviewers are doing it. "
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Not totally unexpected because folks were expecting HBOs next epic series after....


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42. "Sorry, that "you" was more of a global "you""
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I should have written "someone" or "critics" there; it wasn't intended to mean you specifically.

I just find it frustrating when critics take a shortcut like that, especially since it seems to hurt more original, out of the box shows that are hard to categorize. I mean, who knows, Westworld could go off the rails but I feel like the Game of Thrones comparisons/expectations don't help matters. Although I'm sure if the ratings drop, we'll start hearing a lot of Deadwood comparisons for the same reason.

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34. "The reviewers may have a point."
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It ultimately depends on how nebulous the show will proceed and if anything is spelled out or if anything is resolved. If the show doesn't spell things out clearly enough, the prediction you have about poor ratings may come true for future episodes, despite the fact the pilot episode was as highly rated at the pilot for the first season for True Detective. It'll be interesting to see how things proceed. I think I've said it before, but I'm curious how tight a leash HBO will have on this show in general.

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35. "Yeah, I think it'll have to retain almost all of those viewers"
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New regime at HBO isn't going to want to drop another 100 million on this show if it has even good but not great ratings. I feel like with most shows, HBO would have already announced a second season so this one's definitely getting a second and third look before they announce that.

And yeah, the reviewers might be onto something. I just think it's hard to judge a show after 4 eps, especially if you really liked two eps and then didn't like 2 eps. Who knows what the next 2 eps or the rest of the season could bring. Just strikes me as odd to say, "The show doesn't amount to anything." so early in a run.

Some of the critiques about a lack of logic in the plotting worry me more, given the people involved.

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38. "The Walking Dead returns soon"
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>New regime at HBO isn't going to want to drop another 100
>million on this show if it has even good but not great
>ratings. I feel like with most shows, HBO would have already
>announced a second season so this one's definitely getting a
>second and third look before they announce that.
>
>And yeah, the reviewers might be onto something. I just think
>it's hard to judge a show after 4 eps, especially if you
>really liked two eps and then didn't like 2 eps. Who knows
>what the next 2 eps or the rest of the season could bring.
>Just strikes me as odd to say, "The show doesn't amount to
>anything." so early in a run.
>
>Some of the critiques about a lack of logic in the plotting
>worry me more, given the people involved.

if I'm not mistaken, so that show may siphon off a good chunk of viewers as well. It'll be interesting to see if there's a huge drop off for viewers as the season progresses.

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37. "ah interesting"
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i'll keep this in mind

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83. "*shrug* I cna appreciate their need to worldbuild"
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but there's a lot of time jumping around with no indication of where we are, and no anchor.

I accept that other people are all in, but I'd prefer having some idea of what the story or motivation kinda is.

I only got screeners for the first two eps because I'm not looped in like that, we'll see how it comes together over the next couple of weeks.
www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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43. "Episode 2 is up on HBOGo and on demand early"
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44. "Good looks, that premiere was the shit"
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Until this thread, didn't even realize there was an older movie OR Crichton's involvement.

Definitely sucked in already, Ed Harris is creepy as fuck

  

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45. "Second episode is even better."
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This show is the fucking shit!

Can't wait to find out what the maze is.

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46. "Yep."
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And when they said "The maze isn't for you." that brought it to a whole new level.

I'm so with this show.


btw Thandie...still got it girl.

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47. "Outstanding second episode."
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The mysteries don't even matter much to me. I could just watch all the morality stuff all day. Beautifully written, acted, etc.

It even made me think Ben Barnes isn't an irredeemably bad actor!

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48. "RE: Outstanding second episode."
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>It even made me think Ben Barnes isn't an irredeemably bad
>actor!

Lets not go that far, he's still bad.

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49. "What was the song covered by the piano this week?"
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Was it by either Radiohead or Blur?

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51. "It was Radiohead's "No Surprises"."
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64. "I hope all the piano covers are"
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on a soundtrack for this show whenever it drops. It's almost unfortunate this season is only ten episodes long because the snippets played so far are stellar and I could stand to hear about 12-15 piano covers.

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469. "RE: I hope all the piano covers are"
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>on a soundtrack for this show whenever it drops. It's almost
>unfortunate this season is only ten episodes long because the
>snippets played so far are stellar and I could stand to hear
>about 12-15 piano covers.


For the vinyl heads here, folks are aware there are three variants for the soundtrack, right? If folks here are curious, I will post links to all three variants. One is at Barnes and Noble and the second is at Newbury Comics, which I bought. I don't remember the place selling the third one.

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50. "Just started. I just hope someone fucks James Marsden's wife"
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He's my least favorite actor but also my favorite cuckhold.

  

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61. "I've always been a fan of Marsden...."
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solely based on his role in "Sex Drive" (super underrated raunchy teen comedy)

He played the Stifler role way better than Stifler



(Seriously though, well worth watching Sex Drive on its own merits)

  

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52. "James Mardson is WESTWORLD's Kenny."
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53. "Well I'm sold. Still gonna need a good cuckhold though. "
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54. "Basically!"
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How many times is this dude gonna die?

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59. "LOL"
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60. "You bastards!"
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55. "Good read *spoilers for ep 2*"
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https://theringer.com/westworld-season-1-episode-2-chestnut-recap-3dc849227bef#.erzu29ws4

  

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56. "Spoiler Episode 2"
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So we all agree that Anthony Hopkins is purposely giving them consciousness with this reveries upgrade right?


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62. "Didn't even consider that..."
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but I agree now!


... Although I'm not entirely convinced that it explains his scene with the little kid. It would be odd if they created a host family on a "vacation" within the world.... so how do we explain the kid's behavior?

  

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65. "I think so. "
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i'm also still holding out that Jeffrey Wright might be a robot.

But the fact that there's a code word/phrase to set the robots off makes me think that someone planted it in there and Hopkins seems like the most likely suspect.

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66. "Wee Bey Gif"
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>i'm also still holding out that Jeffrey Wright might be a
>robot.


I wonder what the significance of the last scene in episode two? Is he going to give the Host religion? Is Jeffrey Wright going to be there God?


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72. "Or did someone else build it?"
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Hopkins originally noticed it when he was talking to the little kid and then he told the kid never to come around here. He seemed surprised to see it. So I'm not sure if he is introducing it, Wright maybe is introducing it, or one of the robots built it on their own and is introducing religion into the mix.

At this point, I'm so lost on where the show is going, I've stopped trying to guess and am just enjoying the ride (and nervous about the next two eps since it is where critics say it veers and disappoints.)

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75. "It could be something he just stumbled on"
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Remember we don't know where the park is located, how vast the park is or what may have existed in its place before they built the park.

The park has been around for 30 years, it could've been something that was built and long forgotten in that span of time.

I think he just stumbled upon it and found inspiration for his new creation.

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58. "i'm really enjoying this show"
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reminds me of the show "Humans".....

...funny thing is, i find Ed's character more lame than badass cause he's literally terrorizing people he knows can't really fight back

i think i might go back and rewatch the first two eps....

oh, and i agree that i don't care abut the big mysteries either...the interactions, depravity people happily indulge in, and the way they honestly think they're better than the hosts is fascinating

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63. "This is what I wanted Humans to be. "
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had the potential, but just turned into a Lost -like everyone running around and trying to find each other series.


>reminds me of the show "Humans".....
>
>...funny thing is, i find Ed's character more lame than badass
>cause he's literally terrorizing people he knows can't really
>fight back

Soooooo, my theory is that the next level he is looking for is a level where they can actually fight back for a more real experience.



>
>i think i might go back and rewatch the first two eps....
>
>oh, and i agree that i don't care abut the big mysteries
>either...the interactions, depravity people happily indulge
>in, and the way they honestly think they're better than the
>hosts is fascinating

I don't see the dangling lost-like mysteries that people are suggesting. Also it's too early to feel disappointed by that aspect of the show.



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68. "I dont think the mysteries are that big yet"
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We KNOW they are going to rebel.
We KNOW that Hopkins is the catalyst to them getting souls/subconcious...we just don't know if that's his ultimate plan or if it's just a scientist pushing it as far as he can intrigued by the results.

Only think we dont know much about is the men in black's quest but considering we know he's real and that the people running the park know about him...I dont see them throwing any crazy Lost like curveballs with this story lines.

  

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234. "why er'body focusing on Hopkins, Wright also seems to be"
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making ERW's character gain consciousness, or at least he's aware and keeping it to his self

  

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69. "RE: This is what I wanted Humans to be. "
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>had the potential, but just turned into a Lost -like everyone
>running around and trying to find each other series.
>
>
I liked Humans, but I agree that once they went on the run, it really changed and became less interesting...

>>reminds me of the show "Humans".....
>>
>>...funny thing is, i find Ed's character more lame than
>badass
>>cause he's literally terrorizing people he knows can't
>really
>>fight back
>
>Soooooo, my theory is that the next level he is looking for is
>a level where they can actually fight back for a more real
>experience.
>
>
I wouldn't be surprised....I'm glad they addressed people's concers from the first episode where it seemed like he was just off killing whomever he wanted....I also liked that one of the tech said clients could NLY kill who their supposed to.... I wonder when tat aspect will come into play, cause so far it looks more like the clients can kill or hurt whatever host they please with no problems...

>
>>
>>i think i might go back and rewatch the first two eps....
>>
>>oh, and i agree that i don't care abut the big mysteries
>>either...the interactions, depravity people happily indulge
>>in, and the way they honestly think they're better than the
>>hosts is fascinating
>
>I don't see the dangling lost-like mysteries that people are
>suggesting. Also it's too early to feel disappointed by that
>aspect of the show.
>
it's too early for that kinda stuff like dangling mysteries..... the show is doing just fine slowly showing us this world, and the one that surrounds it...

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67. "See people talking about the connection between this show and GTA?"
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People beating hookers to death on Grand Theft Auto, will they be killing hookers in Westworld for fun?

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70. "i thought about that alot during this past episode..."
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the random violence and debauchery.... made me think about how I act when I play these types of sandbox games.... it's a smart parallel

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71. "I stopped going gonzo with the violence"
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once the sandbox games got better in terms of replicating the real world and felt like than a video game.

I will say that we as an audience will identify with the robots more than the characters do on the show since we spend so much time with them and see things from their point of view. To the human beings on Westworld, the robots are seen mainly as being disposable inanimate objects. If the robots start going awol on the human beings, I wonder if folks here will still view them sympathetically.

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73. "me too"
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....I can't even bring myself to pick up hookers anymore or amp on random people LOL

right now I see both sides of it, with a bigger lean toward the hosts..... the humans aren't all jerks, which we've seen.... since I just watched BOAN yesterday, it's got me thinking of the parallels to slavery too

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79. "Definitely. It makes me want to dust of Red Dead Redemption"
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74. "if the hosts built the church, ill be pissed"
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i am fully engrossed in this show and really enjoy it, but if the park employeese have EAGLE EYE vision iPads of every corner of this park how are they not going to notice that church being built?

i want the church to be built by the hosts and it could possibly be for Anthony Hopkins, their "maker"... that little girl with the poetic description of where the "maze entrance" is.

does General Hummel want to just go inside the "maze", where the hosts are being hosed off? maybe as a guest he's not allowed in the maze and he just wants to go in there. i have zero idea with the symbol of the man and the maze on his scalp was there.

i find it interesting that, as the poster above said funnily "the Kenny of Westworld" enters the park via the train when it seems the hosts are always already there when guests arrive. lots of questions but i'm sure it'll all reveal itself. im not too worried about eps 3 and 4 going off the rails, critics are usually cynical pricks and hate everything they dont expect/predict so i have faith it wont be a nightmarish collapse.

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76. "RE: if the hosts built the church, ill be pissed"
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>i am fully engrossed in this show and really enjoy it, but if
>the park employeese have EAGLE EYE vision iPads of every
>corner of this park how are they not going to notice that
>church being built?


That's an easy narrative fix. Just explain that they purposely built it in an area that isn't covered by the park cameras.




>
>i want the church to be built by the hosts and it could
>possibly be for Anthony Hopkins, their "maker"... that little
>girl with the poetic description of where the "maze entrance"
>is.
>
>does General Hummel want to just go inside the "maze", where
>the hosts are being hosed off? maybe as a guest he's not
>allowed in the maze and he just wants to go in there. i have
>zero idea with the symbol of the man and the maze on his scalp
>was there.
>
>i find it interesting that, as the poster above said funnily
>"the Kenny of Westworld" enters the park via the train when it
>seems the hosts are always already there when guests arrive.
>lots of questions but i'm sure it'll all reveal itself. im not
>too worried about eps 3 and 4 going off the rails, critics are
>usually cynical pricks and hate everything they dont
>expect/predict so i have faith it wont be a nightmarish
>collapse.


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77. "I'm prepping myself for some leaps in logic"
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Especially with the eye in the sky aspect and the monitoring of the hosts and the park. That's a tough thing to get around and still have drama.

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78. "So is the new guy from the beginning..."
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a flashback of Ed Harris' character?

  

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80. "New guy from episode 2?"
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That was a theory but it got debunked.

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81. "Yeah"
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>That was a theory but it got debunked.

where did it not work?

  

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82. "Sepinwall shot it down. "
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https://twitter.com/sepinwall/status/785474930775175170

He's seen four eps. Says the theory doesn't work.

There were some other hints - people argued whether this was the same woman; http://i.imgur.com/uUqIt5s.jpg

And also, the other girl who took over for Maeve was running the brothel when William walks by, which would seem to link him to the modern timeline. Dolores is the last host from 30 years ago.

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84. "Kind of dickish for Sepinwall to debunk theory based on his insider"
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knowledge. That sounds like spoilers to me.


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85. "I was torn; I wouldn't say it's a spoiler but it feels unnecessary"
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It's like someone pointing out that the This Season On debunked my idea that the guy's scalp had some kind of proprietary tech and it was corporate espionage.

It's a little different because I had access to that footage and chose not to watch it but I think it's still not necessarily a spoiler because in both cases, they were completely made up theories. It's not like it's a whodunnit and he's telling us one of the characters definitely didn't do it. It's a wholly concocted mystery with no real bearing on the show.

That being said, I do ultimately agree that there was really no reason that he had to/should have debunked it. Maybe he was getting inundated with messages about it but it seems like a tweet he could have just ignored.
The only real reason to debunk it is if he believed that the "Who is the Man in Black?" line of questioning was immaterial and would take people's focus away from the story the show is actually telling.

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91. "but..."
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>The only real reason to debunk it is if he believed that the
>"Who is the Man in Black?" line of questioning was immaterial
>and would take people's focus away from the story the show is
>actually telling.

thats kind of spoilery

if people focus on it
because the material kinda goes there
its kind of what happened with true detective s01
people wanted to blame watchers
but really it was weak story telling

"because you know better"
or
"know in advance"

does mess it up for folks who want to go haring off
also a bit smug
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92. "I actually think that's a good example of when to do it."
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People were going off on the show heading into a level of fantasy. I would have been fine if someone had said, "Guys, this story isn't going to turn into Lord of the Rings."

Although, this show is a little different because Sepinwall only saw four episodes so it's not like he knows the end game. It's just something that gets debunked early on.

Perhaps the bigger issue is that unless something happens NEXT episode to put the idea to bed, nothing in this episode debunked it outright. The gun she used wasn't the one that Marsden gave her, the fact that she walks over to Jimmy doesn't necessarily mean it's the same timeline (she was on a horse when she took off from the house.)

In the future though, I'll refrain from posting stuff like this since people think it's spoilery.

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118. "totally not neccessary"
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>People were going off on the show heading into a level of
>fantasy. I would have been fine if someone had said, "Guys,
>this story isn't going to turn into Lord of the Rings."

same once the writer in TD corrected because it was out of hand
that actually was my hint that the writer wasnt that good frankly

>Although, this show is a little different because Sepinwall
>only saw four episodes so it's not like he knows the end game.
>It's just something that gets debunked early on.

granted
below is more what i meant btw

>Perhaps the bigger issue is that unless something happens NEXT
>episode to put the idea to bed, nothing in this episode
>debunked it outright. The gun she used wasn't the one that
>Marsden gave her, the fact that she walks over to Jimmy
>doesn't necessarily mean it's the same timeline (she was on a
>horse when she took off from the house.)

hrm
what do you think now?

>In the future though, I'll refrain from posting stuff like
>this since people think it's spoilery.

but yeah this isnt neccessary its just me saying that i think it might be
and i didnt mean it in a rebuke kind of way
hrm
more a but i know this dude wants to be a part of the convo but hes cutting off the flow of convo because of what he does know
and i think its more a sign of weak writing if the show itself doesnt correct
instead of that the writer trying to correct an audience

if that makes sense
so kinda spoilery but not in a ruin the plot kind of way but correct a course where it looks like an audience might go
which also isnt fair

this isnt something you did
so you dont have to do anything

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131. "Sepinwall now thinks it might be right."
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I think he jumped the gun and misread a couple of scenes that he thought debunked it. He went from debunking the theory on Twitter to discussing the theory as a postscript to his episode reviews to now focusing on the theory for the entire piece on episode 5.

http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-how-westworld-may-be-acting-too-clever-for-its-own-good

And I disagree with his take about twists. I felt like the moment we saw Clifton Collins Jr. reappear as El Lazo, it was supposed to me an A-ha or WTF moment? I don't think it takes away at all from the show. If anything, it adds to the William story since we're seeing how he's turning rather than just watching a goody two shoes wandering aimlessly around a theme park.

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136. "ha!"
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welp he's along for the ride with the rest of us now


i don't know what to think about any of the theories themselves frankly
but it sounds good

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141. "I feel like knowing it now will help me accept it."
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If it turns out to be true, I'd rather be following it now than get blindsided and be "Wait, what? But all those... WTF!?" I might feel cheated by the misdirects.

If it's not true, no harm no foul.

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143. "*fastens seatbelt*"
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we can do this!
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88. "Sepinwall addresses William as the Men In Black Theory in more detail"
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http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-in-the-stray-westworld-asks-how-much-the-robots-really-remember


FAN THEORY CORNER

Finally, I'm going to try something that worked pretty well with Mr. Robot this season, which is to put a separate section here at the bottom for dealing with a particular fan theory until it's either confirmed or disproven by the show, as a way to allow some discussion of it while also shielding anyone who hasn't thought of it and would rather be surprised if it turns out to be the case. (This stuff is fair game in the comments, though, so read at your own peril.)

So, the theory: William and Logan's scenes take place 30 years before everything else we're watching, and William will eventually age into being the Man in Black.

There is some evidence to support this, including the train station looking a bit spiffier when he and Logan arrive than when we saw Teddy and the guests pull into town in the pilot; ditto the slight changes to the Sweetwater script and cast of characters when each group arrives. And when William gets shot at early in this episode, it's with a non-lethal bit of ammunition with enough force to knock him down, whereas the Man in Black isn't hurt at all when Teddy shoots at him in the pilot.

But this episode seems to blow a huge hole through the middle of that theory, as William's path appears to cross that of Dolores while she's in the midst of a story that we know to be part of the action that's contemporaneous with the Man in Black. He runs into her right after she has escaped the latest assault on the family farm, which should be set in the show's present because she uses the gun she found buried in the dirt outside the house to defend herself against Rebus during this particular attack, and she has multiple memories of the Man in Black while handling the gun at different points in the episode. The inherent Groundhog Day of the show's plot — and the fact that we see Dolores go through several iterations of Rebus's assault — means we can't take anything 100% for granted, but there's a line between clever misdirection and outright screwing with your audience to conceal a twist, and if William is meant to be the young Man, the show is already getting really close to that line.

UPDATE: As several pointed out (and as was difficult to make out on HBO's screener), the gun Dolores uses on Rebus isn't the one she found buried in the dirt, but the one she took off of his holster. But the fact that she has another Man in Black memory in the midst of the encounter means the larger point still stands.

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86. "I'm enjoying it, despite some shit that either majorly doesn't make sens..."
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or is intentionally underexplained

but I'm interested to see where it goes, it's cool

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87. "Agreed, I dug the episode"
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It was intriguing how Ford was so gung ho about the divide between the androids and humans. I'm still inclined to think he's behind the hosts' burgeoning consciousness (along with Bernard?) but it's clearly not because he's sympathetic to their "plight".

  

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89. "Yeah, Maeve being back made no sense"
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They said to take her offline. She wakes up and runs around the joint like a madwoman... and then she ends up back in the park?

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93. "are we further along in the timeline?"
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it jumps around so much that no one can say for sure.

she's still hallucinating/remembering, so...apparently yes?

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94. "She had a flashback to what she saw while running around"
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Unless it's a flashback and the Hosts can see into the future then it would seem to take place after her incident / designation to be taken offline.

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233. "i'm in, but the barrier for me is, I don't give a shit about the"
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emotional lives of robots

like not one bit. they're robots fuck them.

robots gaining consciousness is so damn old and boring as a narrative theme as well...

again it is in the way that they are telling it and the mystery that makes it engaging, also the acting has been excellent. how ERW, Thandies, and Marsden switch from humanoid to AI at the drop of a scenic dime is gold

there are still many floating questions though, for me not believe this is another version of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep

  

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90. "I can kind of get what the critics complained about"
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but I still wouldn't have given the show a bad or even middling review; especially since this seems like an ep that has to do some heavy lifting in setting in motion the plot for the rest of the show. This is still by far my favorite new show of the year (although I have a few that I haven't started yet.)

The Marsden as Kenny element makes me laugh now.

I'm still all-in on this one.

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95. "Episode 4: Hopkins and Harris bringing it."
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Don't really get the complaints from the critics because I thought this was a fairly strong episode. (Also, I'm not so sure what Sepinwall's "debunking" was but I feel like it wouldn't be TOO crazy for the Man in Black theory to be true. Not sure we've seen anything that completely blows it out of the water.)

I loved the moment in which we learned the Man in Black isn't all bad. And we learn a little bit more about his quest. And a little bit more about Arnold from both Harris and Hopkins.

Hopkins brings it at the end of the episode and we get some great moments with Maeve and Dolores. I still think Jeffrey Wright might be a host.

I thought ep. 3 slowed down a bit but I really enjoyed ep. 4. My anticipation for the next episode is much higher this week.

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97. "it seems ridiculous that we'd be watching two timelines"
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30 years apart.



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98. "Dolores being with Bernard and then back with William was odd"
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The timeline already seems a bit screwy so I'm warming to the 30 year theory. But mostly, I was just pointing out that there doesn't seem to have been the definitive "It's not 30 years ago" moment that Sepinwall acted like there was. I mean, in his article on this episode, he almost has more arguments for the frayed timeline than against it.

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99. "I feel like the moments with Bernard and Delores"
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are at times flashbacks. I'm glad we finally found out more about Arnold and The Man in Black.



So I think it's pretty obvious that the Maze was something Arnold came up with the greatest game in Westworld, where the host could be killed and kill the guests. Probably where the hosts had free will and were somewhat self-aware.



I'm still hoping that they hint to the OG Westworld, at something like the end of that film happened where Arnold died in the Maze by his own creations who turned on him after realizing what was done to them over the years, you know park run amok and people died.





Did anyone else feel like Harris has some sort of control over hosts that none of the other employees have? Like that scene at the hacienda when the hosts just stop mid pour and everything just froze.





Either way, I love this show, find it totally thought-provoking.

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106. "RE: Dolores and Bernard"
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The theory I read elsewhere is that we're witnessing a simulated representation of Bernard accessing Dolores' host-identity while her physical self is in a sleep-cycle, hence Bernard's constant assurance that she's "in a dream". Some have also suggested that there's a duplicate body that Bernard can summon her host-identity to in order to have these conversations.

Either seems like a somewhat plausible explanation for how Dolores could traverse what are presumably great distances.

  

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100. "I think we have (spoilers)"
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> (Also, I'm not so
>sure what Sepinwall's "debunking" was but I feel like it
>wouldn't be TOO crazy for the Man in Black theory to be true.
>Not sure we've seen anything that completely blows it out of
>the water.)

Dolores sees the man in black (a memory) before she kills the one guy in the barn...the she rides off and ends up meeting up with the guy in the white hat. This all happens the same night. Unless they are really trying to trick us, it wouldn't make any sense for them to be the same guy. This is the first time Dolores has gone off the reservation.

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101. "I thought that too."
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But everything's been so vague about the timeline besides that and the fact that the Bernard / Dolores scenes show that the timeline is fluid makes me think that it's not as clear cut of an answer now.

Mainly, after seeing four episodes that Sepinwall had watched, I wouldn't have been as cavalier as he was, stating definitely that that theory was DOA and there was a clear debunking of it.

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105. "That's fair"
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>Mainly, after seeing four episodes that Sepinwall had watched,
>I wouldn't have been as cavalier as he was, stating definitely
>that that theory was DOA and there was a clear debunking of
>it.

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109. "Here's what Sepniwall says on the 30 years apart theory after Episode 4"
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FAN THEORY CORNER

Evidence in favor of the idea that William is a younger version of the Man in Black and his scenes take place 30 years before the rest of the series:

* As Dolores travels through the wilderness with William and Logan, there doesn't seem to be a window for her latest conversation with Bernard.

* The Man in Black is identified by another guest as the famous head of a charitable foundation, which seems like the kind of thing William might aspire to be one day, and you can imagine William spending the decades learning to channel his worst impulses into his visits to the park while being a saint out in the real world.

* Logan keeps trying to frame the whole park to William as a game, which is how the Man in Black views it.

* Logan expresses a desire for their company to increase its stake in the park, while Ford complains to Theresa that he and Arnold shouldn't have sold out to the people of Delos, who never truly understood what they were buying.

Evidence against the idea:

* Dolores still has Rebus's gun, which means she crossed paths with William and Logan after escaping the massacre at the ranch, during which we saw her have a memory of the Man in Black.

* Stubbs, a character we know exists in the contemporary storyline, is told that Dolores is glitching and wandering far afield of her usual route, and he sends personnel to intercept her and bring her in for maintenance, after which we see a man try to take her away from the Mexican village, only to back off in the presence of William (a staff member not wanting to interfere with a guest's storyline?).

Ways to dispute various bits of evidence:

* The Bernard/Dolores conversations could be what's out of sync with the narrative, rather than the Dolores/William scenes.

* The Man in Black being a good guy in the real world proves little; it just fits the theory.

* Logan is far from the only guest to frame the park in gaming terms.

* We don't know that William and Logan are part of Delos; their company could, in fact, be minority owners looking to expand their interest.

* We appeared to see Dolores go through multiple iterations of the massacre, including one where she gets shot in the stomach and one where she doesn't. So it's possible the memory flash came in the present, while the one she escaped was 30 years ago.

* Stubbs could be a robot himself? And/or this is more misdirection, and the security chief from 30 years ago also sent someone to intercept Dolores when she moved too far off her loop?

This week, the evidence seems weighted more against the theory than for it, but I look forward to a few hundred comments arguing strongly one way or the other.

(Also, one way the show could easily disprove the theory in the coming weeks: have William run into either Hector or Armistice, since the Man makes note that he has never met them before — him by choice, her by happenstance.)

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117. "Episode 5 seems to be pro-30 year timeline argument"
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The discussion of the park between Williams and his douchy friend made it seem newer IMO. Clifton Collins Jr's characters appearance in the Sin City place felt like it was supposed to be a key moment.

There are still some problems and it doesn't really affect the way that I watch the show but this was the episode that really made me feel like there was a connection between Williams and The Man in Black.

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96. "Really love the theological journey this show is taking me on"
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Also I love the way this unfolds like a novel with each episode building on the foundations of what came before while revealing new things slowly and propelling itself to the next chapter.

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102. "Heres a theory i really need to be false:"
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"Here’s my take:

This whole journey to consciousness / self recognition on the part of the androids IS the new plot line. The whole thing is being written by Hopkins. The drawings were planted, the toy planted, the flashbacks, all of it. The real tragedy / twist of the show will be that the robots....are just robots. And we will be, like the patrons of westworld, totally entertained by a narrative that is just precisely that—narrative."
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103. "Oh man...and we the viewers are getting too attached to them"
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like the co-founder did...interesting

*mind blown*

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104. "sounds probable"
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n/m

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107. "That would be too meta for me. "
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108. "love the subject line"
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i may need that to be false as well lol

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235. "I mean, i don't see how this is NOT what is going to happen"
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110. "Episode 5 Contrapasso"
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Well, I guess we now know which episode this casting call was for.


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/westworld-sexually-explicit-casting-contract-828287


2:14am PT by Jonathan Handel
Sexually Explicit Casting Contract for HBO's 'Westworld' Extras Has SAG-AFTRA Concerned

Fully-nude bareback riding and "genital-to-genital touching" are among the acts that background performers on the show may be tasked with at a Wednesday shoot.


Fully-nude bareback riding and "genital-to-genital touching" are among the acts that background performers on the show may be tasked with at a Wednesday shoot.
Background actors — extras — for HBO’s Westworld were being required Tuesday to sign a nudity and sex consent form that reads like the Kama Sutra and that has SAG-AFTRA officials worried that performers won’t realize that if they get cold feet on set they have the right to withdraw.

Indeed, cold feet may be the least of a performer’s worries.

The explicit consent form itself wouldn’t pass standards reviews at a broadcast network as it recites that the performer "may be required to perform genital-to-genital touching, simulate oral sex with hand-to-genital touching, contort to form a table-like shape while being fully nude, pose on all fours while others who are fully nude ride on your back, ride on someone's back while you are both fully nude."

Less strenuously, others might simply "have genitals painted."

The consent form is on Central Casting letterhead. On Wednesday, HBO issued a statement disavowing the notice and some of the details: “The document that the background actors were given was created by an outside extras casting vendor. It was not requested, written or approved by HBO, Warner Bros. Television, or the producers, and contains situations that we do not require of any actor. We are rectifying immediately the discrepancies in this vendor’s document with our actual on-set practices, which provide a professional and comfortable working environment for all performers.”

Later on Wednesday, SAG-AFTRA fired back: "SAG-AFTRA sent the consent form to HBO yesterday afternoon and requested that the document be changed to more accurately reflect the contractual provisions. HBO had every opportunity to rectify this situation and it was only after their direct refusal to remedy this that we posted the notice on our website. The Union is very pleased to hear that HBO is doing the right thing now, but it is disappointing that we had to take such public measures to ensure compliance with our contracts and protect our background actors."

Like all lists drafted by a lawyer, the consent form list includes catch-all language at the end, indicating that the actor may also be pressed into service to perform "other assorted acts the project may require." The imagination wanders at that phrase, but an omission from the form suggests that whips and chains may be off the table: the union contract requires advance notice of "rough or dangerous" work, and no such warning appears on the form.

Still, if any of those "assorted acts" verge on stunt work — as seems within the realm of possibility — the union contract may entitle the actor to be upgraded to principal performer, which brings with it residuals and a boost in pay.

The union agreement also requires additional payment when a background performer is asked to bring specified wardrobe. However, no additional payment is required when the performer is told to bring no clothing whatsoever.

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The 2016 Westworld, described as "a dark odyssey about the dawn of artificial consciousness and the future of sin," is inspired by the eponymous 1973 Michael Crichton film that starred Yul Brynner and is produced by J.J. Abrams’ Bad Robot Productions, Jerry Weintraub Productions and Jonathan Nolan and Lisa Joy’s Kilter Films in association with Warner Bros. Television. The star-studded cast includes Anthony Hopkins,Ed Harris,Evan Rachel Wood,James Marsden,Thandie Newton and Jeffrey Wright.

A SAG-AFTRA member alert advises background performers that they have the right to withdraw consent at any time except as to scenes already shot, and that the set must be closed and still photography prohibited without the actor’s consent. The shoot takes place Wednesday, and a SAG-AFTRA representative will be at or near the set. The guild only tends to send member alerts when it is concerned.

Those protections only apply to union extras who are the first 19 on a television show. They’re usually referred to as "covered background performers," though in this case it seems that they’ll be covered by almost nothing except the union agreement.

The consent form includes a Central Casting logo that indicates the company was established in 1925, about a decade before SAG itself. The form is no doubt of more recent vintage and would not have been necessary in a pre-union era when movie companies were free to demand table-like nude contortions with abandon.

But today, the union agreement requires that producers obtain the performer’s advance written consent to nudity and sex acts, so the attorney who dutifully drafted the unusual form was apparently simply following the rules. The result, more risque than the usual boilerplate waivers, was probably not just another day at the office for its creator.

9/30/15 3:50 pm updated with HBO comment.

9/30/15 5:50 pm updated with SAG-AFTRA response to HBO comment.

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111. "Episode Five was the best yet"
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Tonight's Westworld further illuminated and deepened the mysteries with some plot twists and revelations. This shit should getting Game of Thrones level ratings and hype. Also that much publicized orgy scene was in tonight's episode and it was not that big of a deal to be honest.



"I imagined a story where I didn't have to be the damsel".

Goddamn, I love you, Westworld.

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113. "Maeve sitting up on the table was awesome. She and Delores are becoming ..."
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The show is really picking up. I am glad.

Question the new town where William and Delores meet the confederates. Is this the place where the violence is real or nah?

  

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116. "Nah I don't think thats the maze"
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I'm starting to wonder if the maze is that lock up area where all the decommissioned hosts are. After that meeting between Ford and TMIB, it was very obvious they had some sort of working relationship and TMIB mentioned something about saving Arnold, but I"m not sure what that means. So maybe Ford is trying to kill TMIB because he knows something that no one else does.

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119. "agreed"
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and yay!

and wow this is getting deeper

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120. "The emerging feminist themes are really well done"
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Never thought I'd root for a robot to take her agency back, but here I am.

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126. "on the other hand thoughts on this?"
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http://www.vulture.com/2016/10/westworld-black-male-nudity-anatomy-of-a-scene.html


Why Westworld’s Throwaway Scene of Black Male Nudity Felt So Dehumanizing

There is a very brief moment in Westworld’s fifth episode — hardly even noticeable if you’re watching while doing other things — that’s worth considering more fully. It’s a transitional scene, meant to build a bridge into a bigger plot for the episode: Elsie Hughes, behavioral specialist for the park, is doing a tune-up on one of the hosts, who’s calibrating his distances incorrectly. She sighs at him, frustrated that he’s still pouring water all over a metal tray rather than into a glass. Elsie looks up, realizes some techs are transporting the body of the woodcutter host who went rogue, and immediately abandons her current task to pursue the bigger issue. The whole thing takes about 23 seconds.

The host’s name is Bart. He’s an attractive, muscular black man. Like all hosts in the behavior-modification areas of the park’s facilities, he’s completely naked. As Elsie looks up from her tablet, she swings around on her wheeled stool to assess him, and his penis comes into the camera shot. First it’s briefly in focus, very visible in profile, and then it remains in frame but out of focus in the foreground as Elsie regards him frankly. If he can’t stop pouring booze all over the guests, Elsie tells him (rhetorically, as he’s clearly not responsive), “I’m going to have to reassign you to a narrative where your … talents … will go tragically to waste.”

Probably you don’t need me to describe the inflection with which Elsie says “talents,” or the pointed tilt of her eyebrows as she says it. Probably you don’t need me to do any more close reading of the scene to understand exactly what “talent” Elsie is referring to. And maybe you, like me, read Wesley Morris’s remarkable New York Times Magazine piece “The Last Taboo: Why Pop Culture Just Can’t Deal With Black Male Sexuality,” and thought, huh. Those two things seem related.


They are. And I suppose you could see this as a form of progress — after all, Westworld has done exactly the thing Morris points out there is so little of. The show actually puts a black penis on-camera. But this is not “black male sexuality with the same range of seriousness, cheek and romance” that Morris says we give to white sexuality. This is just a black body as an object, made into something both safe and laughable because it’s the object of a white woman’s lust. Elsie does not see Bart as a person. He’s quite literally not a person, nor has he been given any of the humanizing, robot-waking-up-and-thus-sexuality-becomes-a-moral-question narrative that Dolores or Maeve get. In both Westworld and Westworld, Bart has been built as an inert, controllable sex toy, appealing for his size and the resulting implication of power and sexual prowess. And at the same time, he’s rendered safe because he’s restrained.

It’s a tiny, throwaway scene. In a show that spends extensive time engaged in deep, meaningful conversations about the nature of humanity, it’s easy to dismiss this as something ultimately trivial in the greater scheme of the show. But of course, the stuff you throw away — the stuff that becomes a little joke, that doesn’t get examined, that flies beneath the radar — that’s where you put all of the stuff you don’t care about. That’s where all of the ideological bodies are buried. To put Bart and his anatomy into such a small, unexamined scene is to suggest both that it’s not something the show wants to examine, and that no examination needs to be done. It’s the storytelling equivalent of a bad, politically incorrect joke that your co-worker insists is meaningless fun. Those thoughtless asides are also doing important cultural work, communicating what’s important and what can be safely marginalized. Bart, his nudity, and his sexuality don’t rise to the level of narrative priority.

And the scene itself is built as a joke. Elsie’s face is there in the background, with the frame focused on her as she muses about Bart’s anatomy. Hers is the perspective (the face and the self-hood) we care about. In the foreground, out of focus but prominently visible, is Bart’s penis, hanging there like a piece of physical comedy. We don’t need a punch line or any further explanation, because the object is enough.

Westworld is hugely invested in building characterization through sex. In this episode alone, I’d bet that by saying “I’m talking about that one nude scene” you’d assume I meant the giant, gold-painted orgy that takes up a huge chunk of the hour, not a 20-second joke about one host’s dick. But for all of its ample sexual content, Westworld gives us very little range. We get many women (as hosts) who are violated, and we’re meant to probe our feelings about that. We have lots of men who come to Westworld to engage in as much meaningless (and mostly straight) sex as they possibly can. Beyond those two frameworks, there’s very little.

So it’s troubling that in this one, fleeting divergence from the women-as-violated-hosts, men-as-horny-guests paradigm, we get something so frustratingly reductive. A black man’s large penis, onscreen! But he’s not allowed to be a man, he’s certainly not allowed to have any autonomy, and his sexual life is considered acceptable (and funny) only because it’s the object of his white female handler’s attraction.

Not great, Westworld. Not great.

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128. "As a straight black male, I wasn't too bothered by it."
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And I'm still not to be honest.

I agree with most of what the article is saying, but it's such a throwaway moment it's hard for me to get worked up about it.

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129. "I think it's relevant to add"
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that The Night Of had a very similar scene with a black cadaver on a medical examiner's slab as well. The scene occurred during one of the latter episodes for the season.


Can only wonder what the casting call for both roles was like. Pretty wild.

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132. "westworld hasn't attached enough weight to anything"
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for me to read that in any particular way.

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135. "It offended me I gotta admit. "
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I had just read that great nytimes article she mentioned on how black male sexuality is abused on screen that came out the same weekend:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/10/30/magazine/black-male-sexuality-last-taboo.html?_r=0

TL : DR version: we stay desexualized on the screen (no simple non-exploitative dick shot after a sex scene for instance) to the point of asexuality...until they gotta whip out the big black dick in a threatening matter (jokes) or as a way to titillate(Westworld, Oz).

So watching the show after reading that it did give me a heavy pause. OBVIOUSLY the whole show is about how disposable the robots are to people and it couldda been anyone in that role, but id be lying if the color dynamic ain't bother me.

  

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138. "read that as well"
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I'm just taking it all in
i was wondering if mapplethorpe was going to be mentioned and he was and Glenn Ligon

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194. "It offended me a lil bit too"
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It just felt cheap to me. Not enough that I wont watch though, just a shaking of the head and KIM.

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137. "btw y'all not, not commenting because i don't or do agree"
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i'd really rather read the range of your thoughts on this

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236. "i felt that shit as soon as it happened. wack"
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237. "this shit is cooking now"
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very good episode

  

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112. "I'm starting to think Ford wants the park to go crazy again"
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114. "On that note..."
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I hope they explain the mechanic of how Ford is able to "will" all the components of Westworld around him. Not just host manipulation but IIRC he was controlling like the blades of grass around him and shit.

  

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115. "Yea he has a control over the park that no one does"
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Obviously, he is the park's GOD and the last two episodes have just cemented the fact that he has that GOD like power.

But they have to expound on how he has that level of control.

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122. "RE: Yea he has a control over the park that no one does"
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>Obviously, he is the park's GOD and the last two episodes
>have just cemented the fact that he has that GOD like power.
>
>But they have to expound on how he has that level of control.
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If that's the case, that makes it hard to believe he's completely clueless about the relationship Jeffrey Wright's character has with Delores.

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123. "I think he does "
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Remember when he has that talk with him about Arnold and what happened and he gives him the warning not to go down Arnold's path? He knows man, just like how he revealed to the exec that "They know everything about everyone that works there." Those two scenes were enough to show he has control over the park and employees that no one else has.

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121. "What do we think of the theory that..."
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...the William/Dolores/Logan scenes take place 30 years in the past and that William is the younger Man in Black?

  

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124. "you should read the replies in this post"
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I'm not going to talk about that theory anymore because I think it's dumb and has been disproven.

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125. "Sooo, didn't the last episode swing things back towards there"
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being two timelines?


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127. "I thought this... but then I realized that was dumb."
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The only reason I thought this was a two-timeline thing last episode was because of the Clifton Collins Jr. portions of the story... but then I remembered that I'd have to wrap my head around a ton of shit that wouldn't make sense if that timeline was different than the Ed Harris one. So many things.

Namely, the fact that the employees at Westworld have interacted with both timelines. Unless you believe that literally everyone is a robot, shit doesn't work. And the logo theory was disproven too. So... outside of the fact that it could've been a cool narrative trick, it just doesn't add up.

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130. "Where was the logo debunked?"
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I think a lot of the stuff that seems like people interacting with the Williams storyline is going to be tossed off as coincidence (the Westworld employee trying to bring Dolores back from the outskirts when she was with William).

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155. "It's on Reddit somewhere. EDIT: actually..."
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Basically shows William in front of the "new logo" too, when he's in one of the rooms.

EDIT: so apparently the shot that people are showing with William in front of the new logo is a still... but in the actual episode of the show, they've edited in the old logo. Soooooo never mind. Logo theory still is credible. And the fact that they would go out of their way to highlight the logos like that...

... sigh. Not sure how I feel about this.

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133. "what is the logo theory?"
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134. "When William arrives, it's a different logo"
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http://media.comicbook.com/2016/10/westworld-logo-timeline-207084.jpg

People were theorizing that that was a sign that they were at a different timeline than the one in which most of the Westworld workers we see are living.

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139. "i'm open to it again"
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its a back and forth lol
loving that
and see folks react to that

hope they don't play with us too much as a group we'll definitely get tired
but i think all of these is an acknowledgement of how as a group viewers have gotten sophisticated
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140. "Im just kind of lost and going with it. I hope it doesn't get too cute"
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for it's own good and becomes too convoluted for me to care to follow but right now it's in a sweet spot of not exactly sure what's going on but want to watch and figure it out.

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144. "same"
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142. "if that's what they're doing, I hate it."
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145. "but..."
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146. "Westworld Episode 6 Weeks Ahead - Wow"
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Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAKGj98yn68

From the looks of it the two timeline theory is confirmed.
Maeve is fully aware and kicking ass.
William is the man in black.

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147. ""the weeks ahead" those aren't clips from a single episode"
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it's more apparent if you look at the title of the HBO video they're freebooting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8J3nTfR23g

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148. "Preciate it. My mistake. I am hyped off this show."
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149. "i just noticed in the credits charles yu is working on this"
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dude can write

  

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150. "yeah, we're watching this one too...i'm in so far..."
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first off, the cast? whew...they got a helluva cast on this show...went all out. some stellar acting all the way round.


yeah i'm into this show so far. while some might think the pacing is maybe a little slow, i actually think they have it just right....they are planting seeds and, right now, i'm curious enough to see what they grow into...



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151. "On that William = The Man in Black Theory"
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Did William go to the whorehouse while Maeve was there? If so the theory blows up because that Westworld Tech told Maeve she'd only been working at the whorehouse for a year.

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It's one of the keys to the theory, I believe. The other girl was running the brothel when William visited.

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153. "Keeps getting better. Plus, Tessa Thompson!"
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Great episode. Teddy showing his true/new colors. Elise getting to the bottom of one of the mysteries while even Ford being surprised/disturbed by the news of the voice of Arnold speaking to his older robots.

I'm not a huge fan of the abrasive writer character but happy to see Tessa Thompson joining the fray.

Maeve gaining more insight/control was great. Sets up a ton of possibilities. And while I like their characters, it was nice to have a break from the Dolores/Williams storyline.

Also, great to see the original Man in Black in the background during Bernard's visit downstairs.

Pacing feels great for this show. Set-up in the first five and now things are starting to move a bit more. It will be interesting to see how many questions they answer in these last four episodes. Loving this show.

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160. "i THOUGHT that was the OG Man In Black"
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got a lil hype when i saw it.

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156. "The one aspect of the recent episode that bugged me"
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was the Asian technician feeling compelled to show Thandie Newton's character around the West World facility. Also, shouldn't one of the people monitoring the West World landscape notice that Thandie Newton's character was wondering way off her scripted route? Other than those two issues, interesting episode.

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157. "I doubt they track when she's going in for repairs"
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She got herself killed so she could be sent back to the lab. The walking around was a little odd but they showed other robots walking about so it could have been passed off as the guy taking her out for a test run.

Although the eye in the sky thing is the one element that I find has to be often dismissed with a suspension of disbelief. Seems like a lot of stuff escapes their watchful eye.

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158. "RE: I doubt they track when she's going in for repairs"
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>Although the eye in the sky thing is the one element that I
>find has to be often dismissed with a suspension of disbelief.
>Seems like a lot of stuff escapes their watchful eye.


In this, it's even worse because she was shown as being monitored by that same Eye In The Sky device because she was verbally going of script. In last night's episode, she was walking around and functioning outside of her scripted routine and also had her personality attributes altered as well. I like the show and all, but that just doesn't add up to me.

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159. "RE: I doubt they track when she's going in for repairs"
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I think the purpose of them realizing that she's been modified before they start making adjustments was to convey that they only reason they are getting away with it is because "Arnold" is enabling them.

  

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163. "well"
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...I think they're getting away with it because there are a lot of moving parts to this world and the powers that be don't do a great job of keeping track of what's going on with the hosts and clients....

whomever has already modified maeve will see what's happened and may try to change her back, but by then it'll probably be too late...

I don't think Arnold is as all knowing as people think he is...

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161. "It is odd, I agree."
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>Although the eye in the sky thing is the one element that I
>find has to be often dismissed with a suspension of disbelief.
>Seems like a lot of stuff escapes their watchful eye.

Especially with the sophistication of their monitoring systems (via Bernard's scenes).

I just assume that since that complex is basically their "command center", there's a lot less internal monitoring.

  

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162. "i think that's kinda the point though"
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>Although the eye in the sky thing is the one element that I
>find has to be often dismissed with a suspension of disbelief.
>Seems like a lot of stuff escapes their watchful eye.

they CLEARLY don't see everything and a lot of very important stuff goes unnoticed til it's too late.....They are watching over this thing like Overlords/Gods, but WE notice something they've missed in every episode...they are NOT very good at their jobs, they just think they are...

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164. "I generally agree with you..."
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I don't think it's an issue of competence though, but rather scope. Monitoring security cameras in a building can already be overwhelming, let alone a huge land mass.

  

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165. "true"
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...it's a lot to keep up with, and like I said, so many moving parts that we see mistakes that they seem to catch later...

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166. "look, it's better-than-middle seasons Lost. it doesn't make sense"
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may as well get used to it now before the explanations don't appear later.


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167. "it was kinda explained"
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when she blackmailed dude



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238. "agreed. i don't see the Asian dude at his position making that"
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kind of play. They keep implying they are just "butchers" anyhow. But the walking around the facility was odd

still i dug this episode a lot

and Tessa Mae Thompson, jesuscristo! and I dig that so far it seems her character is going against what shes been caste in before

  

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168. ""doesn't look like anything to me""
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I loved that mixed with Theresa seeming kinda judgy seeing Charlotte fucking the other host who said it.

It's also weird that this is the first episode where i had kind of stopped suspecting that about Bernard.

Also, despite it being shot down repeatedly I'm leaning even more towards William being the man in black.

  

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169. "Yeah, they're clearly going two timelines."
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I sort of wish they'd just reveal it already. The longer they run without the reveal, the more annoyingly deceptive edits they'll have to put in place. Especially now that they've shown that (a) the show is being shown to us from unreliable character perspectives, and (b) literally *anyone* could be a host.

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173. "Overthinking but could it be the future?"
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Weren't they in a similar area to where Ford was building a huge river? Is that river what Dolores was imagining and what they found?

It makes more sense to have William be the Man in Black but when I saw the river I couldn't help but think back to the earlier episode.

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175. "I'd be all for that, actually."
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I wonder how that breaks down.

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178. "lol, it's funny because it was the first episode I thought he was"
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I haven't gone online and read too much about the show until now so I didn't know about the multiple timeline thing or who could be a host or whatever. But, I feel like we only ever see the dreams of hosts so when they start off with Bernard dreaming I was like "oh shit, he's a robot!"

  

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170. "Now I'm curious"
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how long now did Ford know about the board wanting to sneak out the IP property from him; I have a feeling he knew well before Bernard discovered things, but I suppose I could be wrong about that. And of course there's the mystery of why Ford programmed Bernard to sneak program Dolores. Also, where those sneak programming sessions occurring in this 'present' timeline or the past when William is wearing the White Hat?

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172. "Were the reveries his covert way to fuck up what they stole?"
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Ford found out that they were stealing things so he fucked with it to make it useless or, at least, problematic.

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180. "That makes him more of a liability, so"
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I dunno what his end game would be there. Maybe he was trying to poke the bear in a sense to start an overt conflict with the board rather than having the board operate like snakes in the grass in terms of canning him? I pretty much try not to prognosticate too much with this show because I barely have a grasp on who these folks are, muchless their agendas.

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187. "What's Ford's End Game? "
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That's what I want to know, he's playing God with everyone and somehow I feel like he's trying to protect WestWorld from Delos.

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230. "The hosts can record everything, so you'd assume Ford reviews"
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Bernard's recordings on a regular basis (and knew about the convo with Elsie).

Also because he arranged for all the data to remain only stored onsite, it'd be logical to assume someone would try to workaround that at some point.

re: the Dolores sessions, a theory I read on Reddit was that they are in the past, and that Bernard is actually a replica of Arnold, and so in the flashbacks that's actually Arnold interacting with her.

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231. "The hosts can record everything, so you'd assume Ford reviews"
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Bernard's recordings on a regular basis (and knew about the convo with Elsie).

Also because he arranged for all the data to remain only stored onsite, it'd be logical to assume someone would try to workaround that at some point.

re: the Dolores sessions, a theory I read on Reddit was that they are in the past, and that Bernard is actually a replica of Arnold, and so in the flashbacks that's actually Arnold interacting with her.

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171. "What makes this, Insecure, & Atlanta better than Netflix"
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Especially the Marvel stuff is the that each episode is important. They stand on their own but contribute to the overall storytelling and character development while thrusting the narrative forward instead of stalling a bit on character development and spinning wheels with the narrative with filler just to meet the episode order.

I'm really excited to see how the revelations of tonight impact the show going forward cause I'll be honest I did not see Bernard being a host coming.

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174. "POST 28!"
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I assume he's making a new host to replace the woman they just killed.

Is Bernard Ford's remade version of his partner? Wouldn't be surprised if we see a photo of him and Arnold and Arnold is Geoffrey Wright.

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177. "Also, if B = A"
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It would explain Dolores getting questioned by Geoffrey Wright in the (possibly) past timeline. That was the actual Arnold questioning her.

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179. "Head exploded a little bit with this idea. "
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>It would explain Dolores getting questioned by Geoffrey
>Wright in the (possibly) past timeline. That was the actual
>Arnold questioning her.


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183. "No offence but I wanna let the story unfold on"
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its own terms.

I've been actively avoiding all theories and shit cause I just wanna enjoy the ride.

Plus I've seen how out hand theories get and how disappointed people get ala True Detective Season 1 (holy shit), Lost, and of course Game of Thrones.

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I'll read some theories a bit
But don't attach
Dunno what it is but I do want the show to reveal itself as well
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185. "Yeah, I never get attached to them."
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Just something to play with during the week while waiting for the next episode. For me, it's tough to watch a show like Westworld and turn my brain off when the episode is done and not wonder where it might be going.

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I'm exiting this post now because I don't want anything else to be spoiled due to a theory.

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240. "in this line"
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176. "Finally! Westworld renewed. Might not come back until 2018"
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Per Hollywood Reporter

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193. "Pretty interesting how HBO is running things now."
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Seems as if HBO is being much more conservative in terms of renewing shows; West World is about 60%-70% done at this point and they are just now getting renewed for another season; it years past I remember HBO renewing shows a lot sooner.

I also remember this show being delayed because the show runners were planning out future seasons, so it's a bit weird to hear the show won't be back next calendar year because the scripts for the second season aren't written yet.

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227. "If that's true, they have learned to better adjust for risk "
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They have invested in some money pits before...Rome instantly comes to mind.

Great production values and scope come with a hefty cost which needs to be justified through ratings and potential revenue. WW is a very expensive show so in terms of risk adjustment, you have to be more cautious in terms of long-term commitments because the financial risk is higher.

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Despite (IMO undeserved) dismal second season ratings, Leftovers got a third season!

  

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279. "RE: Vinyl adds itself to that list.... BUT!"
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>Despite (IMO undeserved) dismal second season ratings,
>Leftovers got a third season!

Is the next season of Leftovers the last season? I don't think the second season occured under the current HBO regime that appears to be a bit more tight fisted. Also, I believe Vinyl was a very expensive show; I don't see how The Leftovers would be all that expensive since it doesn't have big name stars on it and the special effects aren't all that special.

With that said, I hope the third upcoming season is the last one because I could easily see HBO cancelling it if the ratings are poor.

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I just did a search on these boards and I saw in the thread for the second season that the third season is indeed the last one. I hope it airs next year in place for when the second season for West World should be airing under normal circumstances.

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181. "The other great reveal of the ‘Trompe L’Oeil’ epsiode"
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Discovering Bernard was a host was a nice reveal. Of course, you all saw it coming and the seeds were laid pretty well. But the best part of that reveal is that it was rendered not the most important thing revealed in that scene but rather what happened immediately after revealed the bit of information that totally changes the trajectory of the show and how we view everyone. That is, the most important thing to come out of that scene was that Ford is a fucked up dude.

I feel like all this time we've been watching we've had the feeling that he is the wise gentle man who cherish's the humanity of the host and wants to treat them with some respect. He seemed like the one good guy through out it all. Turns out this dude got a God complex and feels like he has the right to take life when it serves him.

Just awesome.


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182. "Just as important"
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>Turns out this dude got a God complex and feels like he has
>the right to take life when it serves him.

is the reveal that the hosts/robots are capable of taking human life; the most we've seen so far are the hosts punching and smacking the human participants. That adds a level of potential danger for the humans taking part in the far outside margins of that West World universe.

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189. "RE: The other great reveal of the ‘Trompe L’Oeil’ epsiode"
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>. That is, the most important thing
>to come out of that scene was that Ford is a fucked up dude.
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And Sir Anthony Hopkins killed it. Dude was in full Menacing Hannibal Lechter mode in that scene. Him Thandie and Jeffrey should get awards consideration IMO. They are all doing very well.

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242. "agreed"
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241. "uhh, no. from about episode two/three, Ford was fucn creep"
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who seemed to be roaming around with other motives, and trying either to reclaim what he lost with Arnold, or defending his work against the corpo powers that are trying to snatch his creation from them. I mean the intimidation he worked on Theresa during the convo when they were outside and the host over poured the wine, was a flex

what was revealed to me is that he is more than likely an anti-hero protagonist in a world full of shitty people: a tired western fictive paradigm in of itself, but with this show it works

  

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186. "Great episode"
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I love when Theresa and Bernard enter the house and she says "this house doesn't show up on any of the surveys of the park" and Bernard explains that the hosts survey the park and were programmed to ignore that area. While he says that they literally wouldn't see it if they were staring right at it, we see the wall behind him fully wallpapered.

Then, Theresa says "what's behind this door?" and he Bernard says "what door?". When the camera goes back to the same wall, the door is right there. They basically told us right there that he is a host before Ford reveals it a few minutes later.

Can't wait to see where they go from here.

  

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