Clip from season 3 is out that aired on the official Star Wars Show

Ezra looking older, different haircut. Kicking ass. Looks good

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So much news from Day 2. So much in that trailer to digest

I'm not watching the trailer yet because I still have to finish season 2 but man! I just finished the second book in the Post Jedi (now legends) trilogy. I love the Grand Admiral.

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My daughter is hyped after watching this too.

I could definitely see them putting Thrawn in the film if people respond well to the books/show.

This season looks lit as fuck even thought the reviews of the premiere ep. seem underwhelming.

And why am I just this weekend learning that Simon Kinberg cowrote the finale last season!?

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executive producer for the show along with Dave Filoni.

>And why am I just this weekend learning that Simon Kinberg
>cowrote the finale last season!?

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how this season ties in with Rogue One. In interviews they've said that they are being very deliberate about how the first half of the season leads up to Rogue One. Considering this and the fact that Rogue One leads directly into A New Hope, I'm wondering what the Rebels timeline will be for the second half of this season.

I also don't think the show can continue on much more after this year because of this, unless it evolves into following part of the Rebel Alliance during the original trilogy telling stories separate from but adjacent to the films. (Now that I think about it that actually sounds pretty dope though.)

That they have a whole other show planned and they were just going to revisit these characters from time to time in one off movies and things of that nature. Maybe that was just a rumor.

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because of my point above - you wouldn't think they can really go much further out after Rogue One. Plus the speculation is that Disney wants to focus on the sequel trilogy era and not this earlier era, and the next TV show will cover the period between ROTJ and TFA. (Not sure about that speculation since they are still doing spinoffs from the earlier era.)

I'd love to see a live action series on Netflix based on the Old Republic era. I doubt they'd do a series of films from an era thousands of years before the OT. They could do a spinoff, but there is too much story to tell from that era to fit in one film. But a live action series from that era, featuring Revan and some of the other characters? That ish would be GREAT.

look to go from Ep 6 and 7 or even 7-8 to help keep pushing the wave of these new characters to the new generation

The show brings back Ahsoka Tano, a James Earl Jones voiced Darth Vader, and now Thrawn?

Where were these ideas when the prequels were being made... SMH.

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I think he goes completely darkside by the end of this season and Vader takes him as an apprentice. Maybe after either Ezra or Vader kills Maul. So while he's not Galen Marek he'll be Vader's apprentice (not an inquisitor) like Starkiller. I think there are hints in the season 2 finale when Ezra tried fighting Vader, and also with how powerful Ezra is showing himself to be.

Honestly I don't know what to think. Theres a wild theory that he's Snoke LOL. Ionno. if he becomes Starkiller im assuming Vader kills him before Rogue One, unless theres a crazy surprise that Ezra is in Rogue One and dies before Episode 4. That would be cool but probably doesnt happen.

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I only know rough details about that game/story someone here would be able to tell you more. Starkiller is also the original name for Luke

actually call him Starkiller (first because they just used that name in The Force Awakens for the first order base, and second because Ezra isn't directly Galen Marek.)

But you can see what they are doing in the new canon - they are cherry picking from the old Legends canon, and taking stories and plot points but fitting them to the new stories they are telling. For example bringing in Thrawn but it's different - he's in a totally different era so they can tell a new story with him.

If they would have done Starkiller just like Force Unleashed it would have been obvious. So took Ezra, who is similarly an orphan who is unusually strong in the force, flipped the story a bit and instead of Vader training him from childhood he gets trained by Kanan who is acting as his Rahm Kota. Ezra starts his force training on the light side, while showing from an early point signs of going dark.

I think that the end of this season some BIG ish is going down. You have Maul and/or Kanan may not make it out alive. At some point Filoni wants to do a Maul vs. Vader fight. Vader could end up taking Ezra as an apprentice in the aftermath of what happens in this season in a similar way to how Starkiller was his apprentice. How will the series end? Maybe Ezra turns back and sacrifices himself like Starkiller did. Or maybe he stays alive into the OT as an Emperor's Hand or whatever the new canon ends up calling that.

If Kanan stays alive, he may transition from being a Jedi to being more of a Force disciple. The new canon is definitely having less of a focus on the Force being black and white with the Jedi on one side and Sith on the other. Maybe after learning from the Bendu he ends up putting down his lightsaber permanently and being a more spiritual Force user that would allow him to stay alive into the OT and not contradict Yoda saying that there Luke was the last Jedi. I think we've talked about this before on here. While they could make it fit by retconning I think the Lucasfilm Storygroup is VERY sensitive about certain plot elements and not just making them work "from a certain point of view".

I'm very comfortable that the story team will do this new direction of canon really well and keep cherry picking from legends in a tasteful and thoughtful way. I think it would be ballsy to keep either Kanan or Ezra beyond Rebels and have one of them show up in Rogue one or somewhere else. I think minds will be blown if that's done.

the Bendu, Thrawn!, EZRA!! FUCK this was good. It wasn't action packed like the first episode of last season but man this was a good set up.

You can tell visually they are going grittier, vintage very slowly as the finale will lead up to Rogue One.

I'll wait for more peopel to catch up before I get specific

MAULLL!!!! They really did a brilliant job bringing back Maul from Clone Wars series to last year in Rebels. This episode they take it further in his character development and man are they making him one of the best overall characters in the whole Star Wars universe? He is def up there. I would love the fan theory of Snoke to secretly be Maul and Benicio Del Toro's character to be Ezra as a sith. Long shot. But fuck that would be amazing.

And that makes sense because the universe is large enough now that there are tons of great characters and storylines that they can use.

This episode? Wow...the ending was crazy. We know what planet they saw and who is on it, and Maul is heading right there. Maul didn't even bother grabbing the holocrons which were right there for the taking - as SOON as he saw who was alive and where they were he bounced.

Can't wait to see what happens with this story. He's gonna get killed. Could be by Vader because Filoni has already hinted about a Maul/Vader fight. Could be by either Ezra or Kanan and that would make sense for the series story. Or now we know that it could be by a certain old foe of his who probably deserves to get that kill back on his stat sheet.

Good episode - I was worried this one would be like the filler episodes from prior seasons, but it was a great watch. I'm glad it wasn't so easy getting Wedge out. Governor Price definitely has some swag to her (even though Sabine kicked her but at the end.) We start to see Kallus helping the rebels from the inside.

On a side note, at this point the most annoying thing is that we are three seasons in and there are still some areas that show an obvious lack of budget. Specifically the character images - for both the rebels and imperials anyone who isn't a main character always either has a full helmet on or has a visor covering half of their face so they can be generic. It really takes me out of the world when watching it. At one point in this episode the tie cadets come back with only Sabine and Wedge taking off their helmets. One dude even laid down in his bed with his helmet on.

That fight was dope, they are def moving away from a kids show with this new time slot. People been dying every ep LOL

kinda cool that they gave hobbie some rub too.

very good episode. pretty cool having agent kallus be the tweener and essentially return the favor to zeb... "tell him we're even" or whatever.

wondering if kallus ever bounces from the empire.

>Sabine and Wedge taking off their helmets. One dude even laid
>down in his bed with his helmet on.

lol

btw... small nitpick but this was episode 4. the first episode was broken into two.

And at this point Thrawn has so much info on them. He knows who hera is - her family, her motivation, etc. He knows Ezra's background, his parents, etc. Since Sabine's identity was discovered when getting Wedge he knows her actual name, that she is Mandalorian, etc.

In the season trailer he said he'd make them the architects of their own desctruction. I can't wait to see how it happens. Does he know that Ezra is struggling with the dark side and he ends up pushing him over the edge? Does he have intel on Sabine's mother? (who we just found out in the next episode preview is alive and with the former Death Watch Mandalorians who are working for the Empire) Will Thrawn use Sabine's love for her mother to have her risk the Ghost crew? He's already seen Hera risk the crew by going back for her family's artifact, which he still has. Does he capture her father?

Or will it be something else, like Thrawn discovering that Kallus has been helping the Rebels, and using him as a pawn to feed them the wrong intel.

Whatever it is, I can't wait to see how it's handled - because they need to give Thrawn a huge victory that isn't absolute - obviously the Rebelion lives on to fight in Rogue One and the Original Trilogy. It will also be interesting to see how they show why Thrawn isn't around in the OT. Either he gets killed during Rebels, or Palpatine sends him off to the Outer Rim and maybe he ends up still being alive during the sequal trilogy.

>obviously the Rebelion lives on to fight in Rogue One and the Original Trilogy. It will also be interesting to see how they show why Thrawn isn't around in the OT. Either he gets killed during Rebels, or Palpatine sends him off to the Outer Rim and maybe he ends up still being alive during the sequal trilogy.

I wonder what they will do with Ghost crew if some of them live do we hear them over the radio talking to Rogue One? If any survive i hope theres some cross over into Rogue One as it seems that this season will continue as the movie is out. So im assuning SOME of them are alive. I'm pretty sure this season doesn't end in December.

I hope Thrawn has a victory some how but also takes an L but not by death. I would love to see him on screen some how. Even possibly in the new trilogy or other solo movies. Would love the same for Ahsoka as well

So much Clone Wars goodness in this ep!

this year. And by filler I mean episodes that aren't directly tied to the overall arc of the beginnings of the Rebel Alliance, Ezra's development as a Jedi and temptation to the dark side, or major villains like Vader, Maul, Tarkin, Thrawn, etc.

Part of that is because the main characters themselves are already established and we are invested in them, and the other part of that is the universe is larger now so there is more to pull from. There are plenty of possible enemies for them to go up against without making any one of them weaker by always losing. And there are tons of subplots that are hinted at even in "standalone" episodes like this one.

The discussion Ezra let which brought Rex and the Super Tactical Droid together by pointing out that neither the Republic or Separatists won the Clone Wars and the only winner was the Empire was huge. If Ezra was able to put that together, and he wasn't even born until the day the Clone Wars ended, are there others who lived through it who have figured that out? And if they have, are they connecting the dots further to really determine that Palpatine instigated the whole thing from the start? If so, that would be a MUCH better argument for joining with the rebel forces than just escaping the oppression of the empire. Specifically Bail Organa would HAVE to have this figured out, from the extermination of the Jedi, the way that Dooku led the Separatists while being the secret apprentice of Palpatine, etc. I would love to see this explored more and actually discussed.

It kinda makes me mad about the prequels all over again. George Lucas had some GREAT ideas for the prequels in telling about the fall of Anakin to Vader and the fall of the Republic to the Empire, and he had some GREAT visuals in world building and action. But his execution of both the story and those visuals was so bad that the great story he told was kinda lost in the mix.

>this year. And by filler I mean episodes that aren't directly
>tied to the overall arc of the beginnings of the Rebel
>Alliance, Ezra's development as a Jedi and temptation to the
>dark side, or major villains like Vader, Maul, Tarkin, Thrawn,
>etc.
>

I don't like when I see people review these seasons and call episodes "filler". This isn't a movie. Theres many roads and storylines because theres so much going on. If you think about it, this story involves EVERYONE from every movie, book, comic, etc since they have distinguished what is canon and what isn't. For this show specifically its about The Ghost crew but its just their story within the greater story of the Skywalkers. Filler to me is when they do storylines that never make sense in the grand scheme of things that they never come back to or they never make you think BACK ON and be like "ohhh remember when...". When people classify episodes like this as "filler" then you HAVE to classify the entire Star Wars Rebels show as "filler" to the saga, no? I think Filoni is very aware of making sure most episodes have to make sense in the long run. For instance these owl creatures. People can call their appearances "filler" characters but he has already hinted its gonna make sense to us one day.


>The discussion Ezra let which brought Rex and the Super
>Tactical Droid together by pointing out that neither the
>Republic or Separatists won the Clone Wars and the only winner
>was the Empire was huge. If Ezra was able to put that
>together, and he wasn't even born until the day the Clone Wars
>ended, are there others who lived through it who have figured
>that out? And if they have, are they connecting the dots
>further to really determine that Palpatine instigated the
>whole thing from the start? If so, that would be a MUCH better
>argument for joining with the rebel forces than just escaping
>the oppression of the empire. Specifically Bail Organa would
>HAVE to have this figured out, from the extermination of the
>Jedi, the way that Dooku led the Separatists while being the
>secret apprentice of Palpatine, etc. I would love to see this
>explored more and actually discussed.
>

I agree with all of this, I would love to see this be discussed more

>It kinda makes me mad about the prequels all over again.
>George Lucas had some GREAT ideas for the prequels in telling
>about the fall of Anakin to Vader and the fall of the Republic
>to the Empire, and he had some GREAT visuals in world building
>and action. But his execution of both the story and those
>visuals was so bad that the great story he told was kinda lost
>in the mix.

Haha i have no problem with the prequels but you are right they coudlve been executed better.

definition disclaimer. I have trust in Filoni that everything will connect together even when it doesn't seem so at the time. I remember that "filler" episode from season 1 with Hera and Sabine going off to explore a base and finding a bunch of random evil creatures there. At the time it seemed like a wasted episode but it was a perfect setup for when Ezra and Kanan had to go back and Ezra connected with that huge creature in what I believe what his first use of the dark side.

I'm sure that everything has a purpose. Even the space whales lol.

The filler rant was more about guys like on Jedi Council on Collider talk about. It's like guys, it's a tv show. The only reason we won't see as many of those types of episodes is because there's only so many eps till the release of Rogue One. They have to cram all be things they want to tell in the storyline between now and the release of the movie. But regardless it's a tv show. It's kinda expected to anticipate episodes that may not make sense now or may not seem as appealing as the main ones

Wow this was a really good episode. Maul. Dutchess Satine Kryze. More mentions of Obi Wan. Dark Sabers!

So with this episode theres a few things. Is Sabine the daughter of Dutchess Satine Kryze that Maul and his crew killed? Would they go and make Obi Wan her father? Maybe a child in secret. Seems like it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lGETyUkjdo

If Sabine ends up being the daughter of Obi Wan, and the theory that Obi Wan is the grandfather of Rey, would that make Sabine the mother of Rey? Nobody can explain in all the other theories why Obi Wan is trying to speak to Rey and not the last Jedi in Luke. I think this is the most sensical theory out there and would set up either the next 3 movies in the Star Wars saga that would follow the lineage of the Kenobi's. Or at the least make the the stand alone Obi Wan film that much more anticipated. I honestly think this is where they are going with it. If the rumours are true and we see him in Episode 8 as a force ghost I think this just helps push this theory even more

The rest of this season is gonna be interesting as Maul and Ezra, Kanan and Sabine are all looking for Obi Wan now. I think we def get an appearance from him this season.

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BUT...all the Rebels trailers are live. All of that great stuff they showed in that trailer might just be in 3-4 episodes with the rest of this half season being about chasing loth cats and such. It's at the point now where there is WAY to much GREAT content they should be showing because of all the great story lines they've set up, and nothing should feel like a filler episode. They really started to lose me this season with the back to back Iron Squadron and Wynkahthu Job episodes.

I LOVE this show when it's good. But it's so frustrating when it isn't.

but also I understand having such great content stretched out into 22eps is hard to do. And they usually make filler epsidoes come back into the storyline some how later down the line.

Take those 22 episodes and split them up. The main plot lines to follow are:

Connecting the Ghost and Phoenix squadron crews to the larger Rebel Alliance.
Admiral Thrawn's plan from the imperial side to take down the rebels.
Ezra's dark side tendicies, along with Maul pulling him in that direction.
Kanan's growth in the Force (learning to adjust to being blind and wisdom gained from the Bendu)
Sabine's Mandalorian background (Fenn Ray, her mother, Bo Katan, the dark saber, etc)
Agent Kallus helping the rebels as a fulcrum agent.
Maul's vendetta against Kenobi.

There's probably a couple more main story lines I've forgotten because they haven't been fully developed. But that right there is 7 story lines to follow, and if there were 3 episodes for each you'd have a full season. Yes some episodes may touch on multiple, and yes you need some episodes to set things up for the future. But there's no excuse for ANY one off episodes that don't connect in some way to one of those plot lines. We don't need more episodes with the Ghost crew going on a mission to steal supplies. We get it at this point.

But again - I LOVE this show when it's on. Really looking forward to seeing how everything ends up connecting to Rogue One. It would be amazing to have the series finale be the Battle of Scarif from the point of view of the Rebels crew.

During this time period before Rogue One and other stories in books were coming out. It's not like Clone Wars where other movies and books weren't in the way so it was wide open for them. Even some of the authors of the novels have come out and said they couldn't tell certain plot points like the dude who is doing the Aftermarh series. Major reason why people hated the first one. It's probably the only flaw in the new canon is that certain mediums are only allowed to tell certain stories. Gotta remember Rebels has another season or maybe it's 2 to go that lead up to Rogue One

expanded. The episode with Ezra going to Dathomir with Maul could have easily been a two parter, and then it wouldn't ha creased felt as rushed. They could do things that deal with these characters specifically - like more of Kanan talking to the Bendu, or showing Kallus in a more gradual arc towards helping the rebels, or Ezra and Kanan's training, etc.

This trailer definitely looks like we're gonna see more of this crew working with the greater Rebellion though, and I can't wait to see that. A couple of those space battle shots looked like the whole rebel fleet that was at Scarif. Mon Mothma and Dodonna making appearances looks great. Can't wait!

I'm thinking they can do one of two things to explain him not being in Rogue One or the original trilogy. He'll either get killed off, or they'll have him go explore the unknown regions like in the EU during that time period. I'm either way, his death troopers will need to do the same. I liked that in Rogue One the death troopers were all at the scene at the battle of Scarif - so they would have all been killed in the DS blast which explains them not being in the original trilogy.

But like you mentioned I also liked how the death troopers died which would explain them not being around after. Although if the death troopers are just a set of guys who only belong to certain people then maybe we see Krenic in the last season of Rebels take them from Thrawn? Possibly kill Thrawn?

DAMN this might be one of the best episodes ever. Wow that was sick

The emphasis on the training is intriguing. This whole episode makes the Rey Theory so much better. I hope its true. I hope this is why we are getting the heavy emphasis on Sabine. Also those owl things showed up and are painted on her left shoulder pad. If she is indeed the mother of Rey and the daughter of Satine Kryze/Obi-Wan this would be so awesome. Fan theories! lol

i never buy into canon conjecture until it actually happens.

and on the heels of da god chirrut iwme, i hope folks aren't hyping non-force-sensitive characters who *might be* because they're bad-asses and great fighters.

re: the episode itself... the first 15 minutes felt like another "filler episode", but they brought it home very well, assuming kanan didn't sandbag the fight the boost sabine's confidence.

People snooze on this show so hard...smh

Shit was really dope

I would be on board with the Rey thing if it is true. But then you gotta open up that can of worms with Obi Wan and that whole process of him knocking up the chick lol.

Then they can explain it in Rebels as the Mandalorians story is being told there. We already saw Obi Wan in love with the supposed maternal mother of Sabine in The Clone Wars series. It wouldn't be that far fetched that the Dutchess Satine/Obi gave their secret child to her sister Bo-Katan/Her husband to raise as their own like Anakin's brother/wife raising Luke. Especially as it seems Bo-Katan is showing up very soon in this season. Showing the history of the first (or is it the only?) Mandalorian/Jedi in Tarre Vizsla, it would be cool to see Sabine be somewhat similar if she takes over House of Vizsla.

Btw I would love the Mandalorian culture turn into a Game of Thrones type series on Netflix. I think if could really work

And reading exactly how the Rebels easter eggs ended up in Rogue One, I'm not buying that they're going that route.

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First, because it looks like we're going to meet Sabine's mother and family in the next episode. They've already talked about her mother being alive and working with the Empire in past episodes. Satine was killed on screen by Darth Maul back in The Clone Wars. So I don't see at all how she could be Sabine's mother who is still alive.

Second, there is NO way they would have such a major plot point of the sequel trilogy based on prior seasons of a TV show on Disney XD which 95% of the people watching the sequel trilogy will never see. Yes, they are doing a good job of putting Easter eggs back and forth between the movies and the show. But those are just Easter eggs that don't affect major plot lines, and if you don't notice them, they won't matter at all in terms of your understanding of the story.

We as fans get caught up in that way too often. Yes the show is the same level of canon as the films. But Lucasfilm and Disney are well aware that the majority of the audience for the films isn't watching the shows or reading the books, so they aren't going to hide a major element like Rey's parents being Obi-Wan and Satine. If they did a reveal of that, most fans watching the films would be like "?????" Even if they WERE watching Rebels, they'd have to go all the way back to The Clone Wars to even see who Satine is. (And again, she was killed in TCW.)

But again - GREAT episode and I love where they are going with Sabine's character. Great ob of having the focus on her while also showing character development for Kanan, setting up things for the Ghost crew and Phoenix Squadron (I love how they mentioned the upcoming attack on Lothal), and the quick cameo by the Bendu had me hype. Did he talk to Sabine off screen? I don't know...

I thought it was a great episode.

Seeing the convorees watch Sabine train with Kanan along with Sabine having a convor on her left shoulder makes me wonder if those convorees are past spirits from Mandalore.

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This preview should kill the "Sabine is Satine and Kenobi's daughter" theory...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut6yrlvDSvo

The theory was that Bo-Katan raised her as her own for her dead sister and Kenobi. Every already knew she was coming back to this season as she was shown in previews.

I mean if you think that could be her then we'll see when the episode airs. But it doesn't look like her at all to me.

I think she's either a new character or maybe someone from the Son of Dathomir series who had a previous connection with Maul and the Shadow Collective.

Or possibly appears elsewhere. But I did notice she didn't have red hair http://nerdist.com/star-wars-rebels-will-bring-katee-sackoff-back-from-the-clone-wars/

referenced when she said she would find the person to lead Mandalore. But her mother is Ursa Wren from this episode, and her father is in imperial custody on Mandalore.

Lol

I think we are gonna see a Mandalorian tv show at some point

Damn these episodes since they came back have been so good

Loved seeing Mon. Loved seeing her make that speech at the end. Rebellion!

We are really getting it closer to Rogue One and A New Hope. Sweet cameos in this episode with Gold Leader, Bail, Dodonna, etc. I need to check out a screen shot of the scene at the end with all those rebel ships coming out of hyperspace together to identify them all.

The visuals in this episode in that nebula were amazing. Absolutely stunning. Those tie's getting burned up? And the explosion of the nebula at the end? Wow.

Only thing I didn't like in this episode (and it's a common theme at this point) was Ezra and his annoying dialogue. At the beginning of this season it seemed like we were getting a much more mature (and dark) Ezra. I understand why he isn't currently struggling with the dark side - that seemed to be because of the influence of the Sith holocron which is currently broken and because of Maul. It will be interesting to see when Maul shows up if we see that side of Ezra again. But I just have a problem with his maturity level. In the episodes since his last encounter with Maul it's like his personalty went right back to goofy 1st and 2nd season Ezra, and his joking around during serious moments is about as annoying as it gets. I'm at the point now that Taylor Gray's voice in and of itself annoys me - I felt it in his interview when watching the Rebels Recon for this episode.

But again - DOPE episode and I can't wait to see how things turn out for the next season. I'm hoping that season four is the final season and we see the Battle of Scarif from the point of view of the Ghost crew.

I had the same issue with C1-10P early on, but they've chilled out with his bitchassedness. My problem with Ezra is my problem with Anakin in the prequels and Luke in the original trilogy. Something about mastering the Force drives you to be a whiney bitch. When he was arguing with the chick Y-Wing pilot, I asked my girlfriend, "what the fuck are we watching?" He's the only character that straight grates on my nerves on voice alone. It's a weird choice. They got picked up for season four, so I hope they have him RotJ the fuck out and come back post-hiatus mad calm.

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for him. Early episodes it seemed like they made him a complete jerk just to give him a personality that was differentiated from R2. At this point though that's been toned down while still fitting in. Looks like next week's episode is a Chopper feature - we'll see if the right balance is still there.

But with Ezra, I don't get it. As I was typing my post above I think I realized that the early season 3 "maturation" was really just him being pulled to the dark side, and since the Sith holocron isn't calling to him that maturation is gone.

Maybe it's just Talor Gray's voice and if someone else was delivering his lines it wouldn't come off as cheesy?

He looks like a child star in the 80s who hangs around Cory Feldman and River Phoenix

I'm loving how Thrawn has consistently had the Rebels number. It doesn't feel like he's overpowered in any way, but just a very methodical tactician.

With him knowing who Fulcrum is and him more than likely eventually finding out where Dantooine is, it will be interesting to see what happens over the next few episodes.

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I actually enjoyed this episode for what it was as a filler comedy, droid focused episode...until the end.

How in the heck could Hera destroy an imperial ship lifhtyesrs away by sending a signal back through Chopper? And Chopper was perfectly fine after being the conduit for that signal???

>I actually enjoyed this episode for what it was as a filler
>comedy, droid focused episode...until the end.
>
>How in the heck could Hera destroy an imperial ship lifhtyesrs
>away by sending a signal back through Chopper? And Chopper was
>perfectly fine after being the conduit for that signal???

That was definitely overkill. Should've just short-circuited or wiped out the system or something

had too much info on them. But cmon...

There was also the issue of Ezra being completely useless in the episode. Why didn't he us his saber to get them out of the cargo bay? They should have just said he and Kanan were off on a separate mission or training somewhere.

But again I definitely enjoyed this episode for what it was - after having a few serious episodes and the next two which are gonna be dramatic as heck it makes sense at this point of the season. I'm sure some people will think it's unnecessary filler though.

TODAY!!!

Can't wait to discuss this with yall. The episode is online if you google it!

While watching it I was thinking "how can they fit this in one episode?" especially while Ezra was struggling through the Dune Sea sands. But man it was paced perfectly. You felt that suffering which Kenobi would have also felt, drawing him out.

The voice work in this episode by Sam Witwer and Steve Stanton was some of the best in this series. Seriously.

The fight was handled PERFECTLY. They didn't have Kenobi doing all sorts of acrobatics and such - the fighting style fit both his usual defensive form and his age at this time.

One of the biggest struggles with this entire era of Star Wars is "why is Kenobi just chilling in the outer rim while the Rebels are struggling through the formation of the alliance and defeating the empire. Hera even brought it up - if he's alive why wouldn't he be helping them? Of course the answer was that he was protecting Luke, but that always seemed shallow. Not any more. First, we directly see him protecting Luke by taking care of Maul. He lit his saber only when Maul discovers he is protecting someone. He knew it was coming through Ezra's presence in the first place. Not only that, Kenobi seemed to be very much aware of everything in the galaxy, but you really FELT the importance of his protection of Luke here.

And speaking of Luke, there is absolutely gonna be a lot of arguments after this episode about the "Is he the chosen one" line. That's something hat can be interpreted at one level as Luke actually being the chosen one all along, but it could also still be referring to Anakin which would mean that Kenobi had foresight on his redemption in ROTJ. Very cool that they put that line in there.

I had chills at that ending scene with Kenobi watching Luke and the Binary Sunset score playing in the soundtrack.

The ending gave me the chills too. It just married The Prequels, Clone Wars series, Rebels, Rogue One, OG trilogy all in 1 30 min episode and I just didnt think it was possible. From obvious points to little subtle shit like now we find out how small of a secret Obi Wan was to the Rebellion. Only Bail Organa (possibly Leia or he maybe reveals that later on in the timeline towards Rogue One), Mon Mothma, and Ezra (altho he doesnt know the full extent of the secret as far was why Ben is there). Ben knowing who Ezra was shows us that Yoda and Ben are communicating and he's updating Ben on who else is out there. So also most likely knows who Kanan is. This was just really well executed. The fight was perfect, a little ode to Qui Gon. I loved it all.

and, really, it is a question I have for every episode I have seen this season, though I admit that I haven't seen all of them.


What did/does Ezra add to this? Was he even necessary?

Is he ever?


I know I'm not the huge Star Wars fan you and others are. I'm definitely not trying to ruin the party or whatever

but


This season has seemed like a huge letdown. Am I wrong?

Wasn't the set up that these characters were going to go through huge changes, hardships, etc?

Like, the talk went from "oh snap Ezra is going to the darkside" to...what?


Or another example, homeboy being blind is a cool idea and is a visual change...has it hindered him one bit?


Okay, I admit that one I'm probably missing something and I'm being nitpicky in general.


But overall this show just seems kinda...pointless. Outside of an episode here and there for fan service, that is.


I guess I get the vibe this show as supposed to run for 2-3 seasons TOPS to get a quick buck, but it ended up being even more popular then they thought so they are really dragging it out.

OR

They chickened out on some of the original plans and are running out the clock.


Again, I'm really not trying to be an a$$hole...I just watch this show sometimes and end up asking myself if I'm missing something.

I've talked about it in this thread. During season 1 and 2 he was annoying but showed flashes and hints of having a dark side tendency. Then in the previews for this season and in the opening episodes it seemed like it was gonna happen. But at this point it seems like they are indicating that it was Maul and the sith hilocrin pulling him to the dark side, and they are both out of the picture now (unless he somehow puts that holocron back together from the parts on Tatooine.) but that doesn't make sense because he was showing far side tendencies BEFORE Maul and that holocron showed up. So I don't get why that development seems to have been dropped.

This season also opened with the Bendu being important, but he's been ghost.

Thrawn has been good in this season, and it's had some really good individual episodes. But it is very possible that I'll look at this season as a whole as being disappointing when it's over. We'll see...

In this specific episode Ezra was really just there to tie this story in to the Ghost crew. He needed to be there so they know that Maul is dead. It would be weird to have the audience know what happened to Maul without the main characters knowing. It's possible that Ezra's knowing about Kenobi could come up later, but that's risky because no one besides Bail (and maybe Mon Mothma) should really know about it.

Storylines so that in the last season they arent rushing all the loose ends. Just like Ashoka in the early years of Clone Wars people hated her for the same reasons. They couldn't see the end play for her. Disney is gonna do something big with Ezra i think. Not sure what but he won't be insignificant to the overall story.

i was getting ready to roll my eyes and thought, "oh, here were go with more 'fan service' for another big fight while trying relive naboo", but... *spoiler*

obi-wan with a quick parry and a single-strike kill is exactly how it should be done. boss move. basically don't threaten what he's there to inherently protect.

and even then, he still showed compassion.

which is Form III, focused on strong defense and counter strikes. Then he switched his stance to Qui-Gon's, making Maul think he would use Qui-Gon's Form IV (acrobatic, fast paced, offensive moves). But Kenobi never changed his form, just his stance. Maul came in with the same move that worked on Qui-Gon, and Kenobi's Form III defense was right there ready for it.

Great attention to detail on that fight, and great restraint as well. I'm sure it was tempting for them to make it this huge back and forth battle. But that would have been out of character for both Kenobi and Maul. It seemed like Maul was ready to die a noble death, so his attacking with such a high risk/reward move definitely makes sense.

That blew my fucking mind. Had the cadence and tonality down to a T.

Re: The Chosen One

I have confirmation bias on this one, but I have always said Luke was the Chosen One and that he brought balance to the Force by understanding that Light and Dark are not absolutes. That his 'saving' of Anakin is what brought balance, not the destruction of the Sith. That's my reading, and I'm sticking to it lol

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