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"Game of Thrones - Season 6"


  

          

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Sooooooooo Stannis was hittin that huh?
Apr 24th 2016
1
She looked like Gollum's mother
Apr 24th 2016
3
Shallow Hal 2: The Necklace
Apr 24th 2016
6
wait...what'd I miss about Podrick
Apr 25th 2016
29
Stay away from those Dornish girls
Apr 24th 2016
2
so damn fine tho, mmmm mm
Apr 24th 2016
5
For real
Apr 24th 2016
7
Those chicks are trite
Apr 25th 2016
10
Great first episode.
Apr 24th 2016
4
Big fan of it.
Apr 24th 2016
8
      Cuz they know everybody is dying to know about Jon Snow.
Apr 25th 2016
12
A few things, including a question:
Apr 25th 2016
9
Yeah man, I wanted to see Oberyn's brother's body guard fight.
Apr 25th 2016
11
I think I remember reading somewhere
Apr 25th 2016
13
Regarding point #4...
Apr 25th 2016
16
greatest boner killing scene of all time?
Apr 25th 2016
14
Where was that when I was in 6th grade hollering at Kiandra in my sweats...
Apr 25th 2016
17
Good opening...
Apr 25th 2016
15
Regarding Bran
Apr 25th 2016
18
that little fucker Ollie looked like he aged 10 years
Apr 25th 2016
19
... from CRUSHING GUILT
Apr 25th 2016
20
lol
Apr 25th 2016
21
Bron will be carrying Hodor around
Apr 25th 2016
22
Bran reportedly is more involved this season.
Apr 25th 2016
31
I yelled at my screen ALOT this episode
Apr 25th 2016
23
Episode 1 was off a bit.. but it was just a trailer recap basically.
Apr 25th 2016
24
First episodes are often like that.
Apr 25th 2016
26
How much say does George Martin have in this season
Apr 25th 2016
25
From what I understand...
Apr 25th 2016
27
Eh, the magic is pretty much gone for me here
Apr 25th 2016
28
There was a lot to catch people back up on.
Apr 25th 2016
30
      I agree, this episode was a lot of catching up and setting the chess boa...
Apr 25th 2016
32
           I don't disagree with the setting up the board in principle.
Apr 25th 2016
33
                I agree that Dorne sucks and shouldn't be revisited
Apr 25th 2016
35
                     I don't even see how they can redeem Dorne
Apr 26th 2016
43
                     Dorne has been unequivocally terrible...
Apr 26th 2016
44
                          Yup.
Apr 26th 2016
45
                               True on all counts, can't deny it
Apr 26th 2016
46
                               Iono, I really liked the Dorne storyline in the books
Apr 26th 2016
49
                                    Dorne also involved Q and Darksun? Darkspear?
Apr 26th 2016
51
                                         Darkstar. And I admit he wasn't necessary.
Apr 26th 2016
54
                                              Word thanks, I legitimately forgot.
Apr 26th 2016
57
                                                   Young Griff was supposed to be the baby that died right?
Apr 26th 2016
59
                     I would imagine that they seriously backburner Dorne at this point.
Apr 26th 2016
55
                          ^^^ perceptive ^^^ n/m
Apr 26th 2016
56
                               very
May 30th 2016
235
luckily that truck full of cardboard boxes was driving by
Apr 25th 2016
34
This^
Apr 25th 2016
36
What GoT premier has ever had a bunch excitement out of the gate?
Apr 25th 2016
37
i didn't mind the episode as a whole
Apr 25th 2016
38
      They could have shown it better....
Apr 25th 2016
39
           ^^^^^ on all of this
Apr 25th 2016
40
           They certainly had more cushion than Omar
Apr 26th 2016
42
                http://i.imgur.com/XNdV5zJ.png
Apr 26th 2016
53
                LMAO!!!!
Apr 26th 2016
60
                Not sure if it's widely known but the actual omar jump was even higher
May 30th 2016
228
was asleep for this? i don't recall them explaining the fall
Apr 26th 2016
58
A good reset of the board pieces
Apr 26th 2016
41
RE: A good reset of the board pieces
Apr 26th 2016
47
      Not only that...
Apr 26th 2016
48
Fat titties turn to teardrops
Apr 26th 2016
50
Cut out the teardrops
Apr 26th 2016
52
I just rewatched season 1
Apr 28th 2016
61
Upon rewatch...
Apr 29th 2016
62
what's written on the scroll to Prince of Dorne
Apr 29th 2016
63
wow Jaime has amazing penmanship for having had his writing hand cut off
Apr 30th 2016
64
      hes a lannister, hes got people for that
Apr 30th 2016
65
      none that he really trusts though
May 01st 2016
66
           true
May 01st 2016
67
      maybe he's left han... oh :(
May 01st 2016
68
I just heard my neighbors yell. LMAO
May 01st 2016
69
fuck yea!!
May 01st 2016
70
:):):):)
May 01st 2016
71
snow vs ramsey
May 01st 2016
72
Ramsay is a savage...
May 01st 2016
73
And after Roose told him that heartwarming story last season
May 01st 2016
75
      I gotta hand it to that guy, he didn't bitch up even though you knew he
May 02nd 2016
81
      Yeah...Roose had that coming.
May 02nd 2016
87
DUH!!!!
May 01st 2016
74
they teased the fuck out of him being the wolf though
May 02nd 2016
76
Right
May 02nd 2016
85
This feels cheap...
May 02nd 2016
107
Homegirl who fucks with Arya
May 02nd 2016
77
My mind would be blown.
May 02nd 2016
80
i feel like I've been waiting my whole life for that dude to reappear
May 02nd 2016
83
Really hoping it's a technique...
May 02nd 2016
86
      "any boy whore with a sword could beat three Meryn Trants."
May 02nd 2016
108
           im still holding out hope on the hound!
May 02nd 2016
110
                me too, man. me too
May 02nd 2016
115
pretty weak episode all things considered
May 02nd 2016
78
my only gripe is
May 02nd 2016
79
Roose was the smartest bad guy the show had left
May 02nd 2016
84
      Now that I look back
May 02nd 2016
88
      RE: Now that I look back
May 02nd 2016
91
      Ramsey was his Achilles heel tho.
May 02nd 2016
92
      I concur.
May 03rd 2016
119
it was far too easy to kill Roose
May 02nd 2016
82
      of course it was easy for Ramsey to kill Roose.
May 02nd 2016
90
           I've never gotten the same vibe
May 02nd 2016
94
                ???
May 02nd 2016
96
                Ramsey said that Roose was poisoned
May 02nd 2016
99
                     Who's going to look at the body?
May 02nd 2016
101
                          Working for the Boltons is like working for Marlo Stanfield
May 02nd 2016
104
                          i'd rather work for marlo
May 03rd 2016
122
                          the kennel master when he's feeding roose to the dogs
May 02nd 2016
111
                               im sure Ramsay considers everyone disposable
May 02nd 2016
113
                               Kennel Master might as well slather himself in peanut butter then.
May 02nd 2016
118
                Well the meister who would check is already on notice
May 02nd 2016
98
                     right, the meister was taken care of
May 02nd 2016
100
                          lol these the same niggas that set up Robb Stark...
May 02nd 2016
102
                               dude is their king though or ruler or whatever
May 02nd 2016
105
The deaths this season have been brutal.
May 02nd 2016
89
I howled with laughter at the giant splatting that dude.
May 02nd 2016
93
      Tyrion had at least 3 killer lines
May 02nd 2016
95
           Tyrion and Varis together are magic
May 02nd 2016
97
Red woman meets Thoros (S3)
May 02nd 2016
103
Shit, I forgot too. Goddamn at the setups years in advance
May 02nd 2016
106
Wasn't just around...
May 02nd 2016
114
Not really feeling that Arya training in last night's episode
May 02nd 2016
109
I didn't think anything of the scene at the time...
May 03rd 2016
120
While I hear you... they also need to keep the plot moving.
May 03rd 2016
121
      the reveal could have been immediately after she passes the
May 09th 2016
128
I asked in GD but...Victorian Greyjoy
May 02nd 2016
112
That's Euron, they cut Victarion out of the show.
May 02nd 2016
116
      ah, ok. interesting.
May 02nd 2016
117
really enjoyed the Arya montage
May 09th 2016
123
I'm not at all intrigued at watching ramsey torture another stark
May 09th 2016
125
      YO! hahahahah
May 09th 2016
127
      i think ramsey is being set up
May 09th 2016
131
           I want to believe this and hope the Umbers
May 09th 2016
134
                as a non-book reader should i know who the umbers are?
May 09th 2016
137
                     one of the major northern houses. longtime stark loyalists.
May 09th 2016
138
                     holy shit...THAT dude!
May 10th 2016
140
                     yeah, that actor fucking rules. wish he'd gotten more tick.
May 10th 2016
143
                     ah, that i remember. thanks.
May 11th 2016
145
                     Robb's wolf bites the dad's fingers off and he laughs
May 10th 2016
139
i like what they did with Jon Snow
May 09th 2016
124
Sword fight was bad ass.
May 09th 2016
126
Yeah, its killing me
May 09th 2016
129
      Respectfully disagree about Greyworm/Missendei being great characters
May 09th 2016
132
           i laughed at the "patrol" stuff
May 09th 2016
133
                I died laughing at the "patrol" bit.
May 09th 2016
135
There is not enough talk about the White Walkers at Castle Black
May 09th 2016
130
yeah they're buggin...they know what's coming and still bitching
May 10th 2016
141
THANK YOU! Lol that shit would be number 1 priority, 2, 3, 4, and 5.
May 10th 2016
142
yeah. fuck olly.
May 09th 2016
136
I found Olly to be ultra-irritating and anger-inducing, but i feel for h...
May 10th 2016
144
Tables are set...
May 16th 2016
146
Ramsey's writing skills tho
May 16th 2016
147
LOL! I forgot about this. We hating on Ramsey being a generic baddy
May 16th 2016
148
nobody's fucking with his pen
May 16th 2016
149
Y'all know he has a ghostwriter
May 16th 2016
152
Not just his prose, but his penmanship....
May 17th 2016
154
Little Finger says 'Come and See' earlier in the episode.
May 22nd 2016
160
it was nice to see two Stark kids having a happy moment together
May 16th 2016
150
Yeah, i was kinda pissed when it seemed they'd miss each other
May 16th 2016
151
      yeah the tension has been building for so long...
May 17th 2016
153
      Yeah, someone pointed out on Twitter that we're in "Act 3."
May 17th 2016
156
      Didn't last long...
May 17th 2016
155
FWIW..
May 18th 2016
157
what did y'all think of last week's closing scene with khalesi?
May 22nd 2016
158
dope, a little of a stretch IMO
May 22nd 2016
159
a) she just grabbed that brazier with no reaction
May 23rd 2016
177
friend of mine has a theory she may go "mad king" eventually
May 22nd 2016
161
what were the complaints? i didnt watch the episode until saturday
May 23rd 2016
170
may be on to something... considering...
May 23rd 2016
174
it feels like she has one of these scenes every season...
May 24th 2016
201
hold the door
May 22nd 2016
162
that was awesome
May 22nd 2016
163
Fuck man. closest the show had me to the feels
May 22nd 2016
164
Goddamn it.
May 23rd 2016
167
Legit got me teary eyed.....damn feels
May 23rd 2016
168
RE: hold the door
May 23rd 2016
172
goddamn that was one of the best hours of GoT i've ever seen
May 23rd 2016
183
Agreed.
May 23rd 2016
190
Just when I thought people were gonna get a win...
May 23rd 2016
186
Theon looks just like Euron.
May 22nd 2016
165
Her and Jon's convos always awkward like first date awkward
May 22nd 2016
166
He's still intimidated by her despite what he's been through
May 23rd 2016
176
Conversely, getting a bunch of his wildling army killed and subsumed
May 23rd 2016
178
      Point taken. nm
May 23rd 2016
182
      is part of it just a family hierarchy thing though?
May 23rd 2016
188
           RE: is part of it just a family hierarchy thing though?
May 23rd 2016
193
                Yeah, i mean Jon was raised by Ned
May 23rd 2016
195
They never had a stong bond go begin with
May 23rd 2016
180
Big up Pilou Asbæk
May 24th 2016
200
was there a legitimate reason for that up close dick shot?
May 23rd 2016
169
It's not TV, it's HBO.
May 23rd 2016
171
Probably male nudity balance
May 23rd 2016
173
isn't this kind of standard issue?
May 23rd 2016
197
For the same reason they showed her tits I guess.
May 23rd 2016
175
so did i
May 23rd 2016
184
nope.
May 23rd 2016
199
the same reason for showing tits up close.
May 24th 2016
204
      but dicks are gross, obviously
May 24th 2016
206
If you didn't know, you're an idiot...
May 23rd 2016
179
so was brienne!
May 23rd 2016
185
      instead she's being sent away. again
May 23rd 2016
187
           that part confused me she said she was sending her away
May 23rd 2016
189
                They're going different places, yeah.
May 23rd 2016
191
                     oh ok did they say where sansa and jon are going?
May 23rd 2016
192
                          Yeah, sounds like that's the plan
May 23rd 2016
194
                               ah ok gotcha all the different houses were confusing
May 23rd 2016
196
                               Jon/Sansa are going to the smaller houses. Brienne is going to Riverrun
May 24th 2016
203
                               is this not shaping up to be a trap?
May 24th 2016
208
                                    ya im leaning towards the littlefinger wrote the letter
May 24th 2016
209
                                    The main reason I'm not...
May 25th 2016
212
                                         hm while i dont believe theres any kind of bolton/lf alliance
May 25th 2016
213
                                              LF definitely wants Sansa/Jon to reclaim the North
May 25th 2016
214
                                              I just think the letter coming from Ramsey makes a lot of sense.
May 27th 2016
216
                                                   i can clap to that
May 27th 2016
217
                                                   Lardlad pointed out above that LF says "Come and see" in the same ep
May 27th 2016
218
                                                        Yeah... I mean, while I heard that too...
May 28th 2016
220
                                                             I don't think LF is trying to set up the remaining Starks...
May 28th 2016
221
                                    Doesn't make sense for Littlefinger to want Sansa dead/hurt
May 24th 2016
210
                                         The Crown granted him control of the riverlands....
May 28th 2016
222
Sooo, does Arya kill Jaqen this season or next?
May 23rd 2016
181
RE: Sooo, does Arya kill Jaqen this season or next?
May 23rd 2016
198
1) are the Forest Children extinct? 2) what if Bran cut off his arm?
May 24th 2016
202
lol
May 24th 2016
205
      the walker leader dudes are not smart
May 24th 2016
207
These houses ain't loyal! - Davos
May 25th 2016
211
Davos should be given a show where he dishes out advice
May 27th 2016
215
I like the way they're doing the whole time travel thing, except one thi...
May 27th 2016
219
Editing in the beginning was great
May 29th 2016
223
Joffrey was an evil weakling. Tommen is sweet weakling
May 29th 2016
224
Who takes a plea bargain when your king?
May 30th 2016
225
They got me with that one. I didn't see that anti-climax coming.
May 30th 2016
226
      Margaery is playing everyone I think
May 30th 2016
231
           yeah you may be onto something
May 30th 2016
232
                2 episodes ago her pep talk to Loras was all about NOT LOSING
May 30th 2016
233
I hate this whole high sparrow storyline
May 30th 2016
229
I know I"m in the minority, but this stuff is the only time we've seen
May 30th 2016
230
i love the high sparrow story line if only because its the only one
May 31st 2016
266
i can't put those two in the same sentence
May 30th 2016
236
i think because Joffrey overcompensated for being weak
May 30th 2016
241
Tywin's line has lost it's gangsta to Twincest.
May 31st 2016
256
Jamie and Cersei absolutely suck at this game
May 30th 2016
227
tywin or even joffrey would've had these kooks gutted on day 1
May 30th 2016
234
      Joffrey would have probably acted without thinking
May 30th 2016
240
      RE: Joffrey would have probably acted without thinking
May 30th 2016
246
      True, but Jamie does as Cersei says
May 30th 2016
247
           RE: True, but Jamie does as Cersei says
May 30th 2016
248
                Yeah, it doesn't help that uncle Kev is just as feckless as Tommen
May 30th 2016
249
      when the HS hit that smug smile..
May 31st 2016
271
      Exactly
May 30th 2016
242
      RE: tywin or even joffrey would've had these kooks gutted on day 1
Jun 09th 2016
346
house of black and white a waste of time?
May 30th 2016
237
idk. learning how to fight while blind?
May 30th 2016
238
Arya is now a trained killer
May 30th 2016
245
Huh? Arya has finished her training as a killer.
May 31st 2016
250
Maybe not so much with Dany endings...
May 30th 2016
239
I think those were visions of the Mad King
May 30th 2016
243
Probably..
May 30th 2016
244
"Burn them all"
May 31st 2016
251
      so my only question is....
May 31st 2016
252
           there are theories that he is responsible for everything...
May 31st 2016
253
           Or at least "entwined" if not "responsible".
May 31st 2016
255
           i like the idea of him being the key to everything going forward
May 31st 2016
260
           i hope that's not the case. quantum leap of the seven kingdoms
Jun 01st 2016
280
           I would say it's possible, yes...
May 31st 2016
254
                that's a good point
May 31st 2016
262
                     Yeah, you remembered correctly.
May 31st 2016
273
please...no more gilly and sam. like, ever
May 31st 2016
257
Really?
May 31st 2016
258
No more Randall Tarly...
May 31st 2016
259
second worst dad
May 31st 2016
269
Gilly's dad was a bit worse
May 31st 2016
270
      Everything about Craster's Keep...
May 31st 2016
272
      craster wins the DOTY but theres a fierce fight for second
May 31st 2016
274
Stannis is clearly DOTY
Jun 01st 2016
281
man, I loved the Sam and Gilly stuff
May 31st 2016
261
i was about ready to change the channel bruh
May 31st 2016
263
i thought Sam's dad was a proper villain
May 31st 2016
267
      The push in from the camera..
Jun 24th 2016
481
Yup. I like it. Its a nice tonal break from the rest of the world
May 31st 2016
264
taking the sword was cool and his dad was great
May 31st 2016
265
this. whenever it's a scene with the two of them i am bored senseless
Jun 01st 2016
279
Right? Really cool to see both out of their element...
May 31st 2016
268
And I guarantee Sam holding that sword will play a role in the endgame.
May 31st 2016
275
      Yep. Anything else is a complete writing fail.
May 31st 2016
276
      Chekov's Gun if there ever was one.
Jun 01st 2016
277
      One interesting theory I read on the sword...
Jun 01st 2016
278
      Something is up
Jun 03rd 2016
288
i really enjoy Sam and Gilly....
Jun 02nd 2016
284
Only watched the Red Wedding ep once...
Jun 01st 2016
282
I was a little disappointed that Blackfish taking back Riverrun
Jun 01st 2016
283
i like how frey called it the red wedding
Jun 02nd 2016
285
      yeh that felt a bit odd. slightly meta.
Jun 02nd 2016
286
      It was a bit odd, I do agree...
Jun 03rd 2016
287
      it's not the first time
Jun 07th 2016
323
      i like it...all these events become stories and songs in that world
Jun 07th 2016
324
Who's next in line if Tommen gets knocked off?
Jun 05th 2016
289
I'd love to see the entire Lannister line exterminated.
Jun 05th 2016
290
Tywin rolling over in his grave
Jun 05th 2016
292
Jamie is cool with me
Jun 06th 2016
314
      Meh. I was cool with him until this season
Jun 07th 2016
329
           she always brings out the worst in him
Jun 09th 2016
345
ironically it would have gone to Stannis
Jun 07th 2016
322
Oddly enough, it's Cersei. *link*
Jun 09th 2016
340
Surprised by the A Story but I really liked this episode
Jun 05th 2016
291
Sansa's really rolling the dice on LittleFinger
Jun 05th 2016
293
He'll answer.
Jun 06th 2016
296
      Oh he'll come through with the knights of the Veil but it's LittleFinger
Jun 06th 2016
297
           well his angle was always to align himself with the warden of the North
Jun 06th 2016
300
                Marriage?
Jun 06th 2016
301
                     i think being the King of the North's most trusted ally is a good spot.
Jun 06th 2016
303
Best. opening. ever.
Jun 05th 2016
294
Shit that was prison status
Jun 05th 2016
295
Old Sansa popped up when talking about Davos
Jun 06th 2016
298
I feel you on people 'coming back'
Jun 06th 2016
299
A girl forgot to watch her back
Jun 06th 2016
302
I was kind of bothered by Arya being so careless
Jun 06th 2016
309
OK, so can someone back me up with this last episode...
Jun 06th 2016
304
Not Euron, sorry...
Jun 06th 2016
305
      Right? The Brotherhood didn't seem ruthless like that
Jun 06th 2016
308
I need a Blackfish and riverrun refresher. And the dude they were
Jun 06th 2016
306
The Blackfish is Brynden Tully...
Jun 06th 2016
307
That little Mormont girl had Granny Tyrell snark skills
Jun 06th 2016
310
The writers are cruel for that...
Jun 06th 2016
311
Granny Tyrell has some boss one-liners this episode too.
Jun 06th 2016
313
Sandor Clegane as... Mr. Majestyk or.... John Rambo
Jun 06th 2016
312
somebody is gonna get Brian Dennehy'd
Jun 06th 2016
318
didn't we leave off with Arya and the waif in a dark room together?
Jun 06th 2016
315
nah i think that scene is where arya sleeps
Jun 06th 2016
316
i thought she was just in there waiting for the Waif
Jun 06th 2016
317
after all that hype for these trained killers...
Jun 06th 2016
319
A waif wanted a girl to suffer before she died.
Jun 07th 2016
320
      Yup. Its why she went for belly stabs and had that smirk afterwards
Jun 07th 2016
321
           I wonder if *a* waif will suffer for stabbing *the* wrong girl
Jun 07th 2016
326
so there's an interesting theory about Arya in this last episode...
Jun 07th 2016
325
I like the theory that Arya is setting a trap more.
Jun 07th 2016
327
yeah, i believe she's setting a trap
Jun 07th 2016
337
she seemed genuinely hurt and scared after she got stabbed though
Jun 09th 2016
341
      yup
Jun 09th 2016
343
      Eh, I thought all things considered...
Jun 09th 2016
344
      well here's how i interpreted it...
Jun 10th 2016
348
      Wouldn't you need to look hurt and scared if you are faking like you
Jun 10th 2016
347
Oh shit. I thought Arya pulled a fast on there but this is gold
Jun 07th 2016
328
If that's the case
Jun 07th 2016
330
i feel like he and the waif are all thats left nm
Jun 07th 2016
332
      I think that's a very real possibility.
Jun 07th 2016
335
so Jaqen ordered the hit but sacrificed himself?
Jun 07th 2016
331
I’m guessing there are rules to follow.
Jun 07th 2016
334
its a little vague and i kinda like it lol
Jun 07th 2016
336
he didn't really order though...
Jun 09th 2016
342
that...makes way more sense. thanks.
Jun 08th 2016
339
So, Bran is gonna be the one who find's out who Jon's mom is?
Jun 07th 2016
333
Bran accessing www.weirwood.net is a neat mechanic....
Jun 08th 2016
338
That was some bullshit.
Jun 12th 2016
349
Yeah that whole episode was just boring and pointless
Jun 12th 2016
350
if not the worst, certainly among the worst ever episodes
Jun 13th 2016
351
Exactly what I thought...
Jun 13th 2016
352
      RE: Exactly what I thought...
Jun 13th 2016
354
      RE: Exactly what I thought...
Jun 13th 2016
355
      RE: Exactly what I thought...
Jun 13th 2016
356
The waif is creepy as fuck. I hated everything about that.
Jun 13th 2016
353
The way she ran, I immediately thought of Terminator
Jun 13th 2016
361
Clegane boys in the building tonight
Jun 13th 2016
357
Ick, gross.
Jun 13th 2016
358
grey worm and missandei telling knock-knock jokes?
Jun 13th 2016
359
All of those scenes are incredibly awkward.
Jun 13th 2016
366
as a sam/gilly hater, i agree with you
Jun 13th 2016
368
I loved that scene.
Jun 13th 2016
369
      i agree that moments of levity are needed, but that felt forced
Jun 13th 2016
379
           Honestly those would have made for some amazing outtakes
Jun 13th 2016
380
           RE: i agree that moments of levity are needed, but that felt forced
Jun 13th 2016
382
Damn that was disappointing.
Jun 13th 2016
360
Yeah, that line made zero sense.
Jun 13th 2016
362
      Correct me if I'm wrong...
Jun 13th 2016
370
           it requires a name.
Jun 13th 2016
376
           Gotcha. Good info, thanks.
Jun 14th 2016
386
                they call this god that because, paraphrasing from years ago
Jun 15th 2016
398
           Nah, they've outright said "a name was given"
Jun 13th 2016
           dupe
Jun 13th 2016
385
did we really need TWO off-screen deaths tho?
Jun 13th 2016
363
how would he even know that the waif attempted to make arya suffer?
Jun 13th 2016
383
Seems like they ran out of money with that episode
Jun 13th 2016
364
Every last major theory was far better than this bullshit
Jun 13th 2016
365
Did you miss the end?
Jun 13th 2016
371
I am saying prior to the episode we didn't see her grow that much
Jun 13th 2016
378
she at least learned parkour...
Jun 14th 2016
388
      if this was all just to train her to be able to
Jun 14th 2016
391
           she's a ninja now...she can sneak up on anybody
Jun 15th 2016
396
Plus, I don't think her stitches opened up
Jun 14th 2016
392
RE: Seems like they ran out of money with that episode
Jun 13th 2016
381
Anyone else catch a Dragon Ball Z vibe with the writing?
Jun 13th 2016
367
Guess I'm the only one who had close to *zero* problems with that ep.
Jun 13th 2016
372
i liked the hound, kings landing, and riverrun
Jun 13th 2016
373
I understood Blackfish's motives there
Jun 13th 2016
377
I'm with you - I thought it was great.
Jun 14th 2016
387
RE: I'm with you - I thought it was great.
Jun 15th 2016
395
I'm with you...I really enjoyed the episode
Jun 14th 2016
389
So the entire purpose of keeping Blackfish alive is a 2 min Jamie/Bri sc...
Jun 13th 2016
374
Well, we don't know the full impact yet of this move.
Jun 13th 2016
375
Plus, it's entirely possible he didn't die and IS going north
Jun 14th 2016
393
I kinda liked this episode
Jun 13th 2016
384
It wasn't the ending...
Jun 14th 2016
390
agree with all of this
Jun 14th 2016
394
What we "expect" is irrelevant to the quality of what IS.
Jun 15th 2016
397
      it was something different from this show
Jun 17th 2016
399
Doing the busta rhymes woo haa dance
Jun 19th 2016
400
my reaction the whole time
Jun 19th 2016
401
This episode felt like when one homie in the crew makes it
Jun 19th 2016
402
lmao
Jun 20th 2016
445
That was awesome
Jun 19th 2016
403
Rickon never saw Apocalypto?
Jun 20th 2016
404
serpentine!
Jun 20th 2016
405
i know man he even had the burning flayed men symbol as obstacles
Jun 20th 2016
420
Welp, that certainly made up for last week
Jun 20th 2016
406
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas
Jun 20th 2016
407
Um, why didn't Sansa tell Jon about Littlefinger?
Jun 20th 2016
408
i was thinking the same
Jun 20th 2016
409
i'm not understanding why she never told Jon about Littlefinger
Jun 20th 2016
410
It's tough. They are sacrificing some writing for good television
Jun 20th 2016
411
RIP Giant
Jun 20th 2016
414
after everything with qorin halfhand and ygritte
Jun 20th 2016
417
Mostly agree with your post...
Jun 20th 2016
418
nah he actually was surrounded by arrows the whole time
Jun 20th 2016
421
      *eye roll*
Jun 20th 2016
422
           i think you need to rewatch the battle
Jun 20th 2016
424
                I mostly agree with your sequence of events.
Jun 20th 2016
426
                     you're wrong about this...go watch it again
Jun 21st 2016
450
                          Ok so I watched it again...
Jun 23rd 2016
477
"Every time I come back, I'm a bit less." -Beric
Jun 20th 2016
425
He's lost patience and hope, and he can't even be allowed to rest in pea...
Jun 20th 2016
431
all i can think is that she wasn't sure baelish would come through
Jun 20th 2016
412
^^Yup. Jon killed have those dudes.
Jun 20th 2016
413
Jon made a big mistake after witnessing his baby brother's death
Jun 20th 2016
428
^^^^^
Jun 20th 2016
438
RE: all i can think is that she wasn't sure baelish would come through
Jun 20th 2016
432
She played it as best she could...
Jun 20th 2016
416
      Nice call....
Jun 20th 2016
423
      ^^All this
Jun 20th 2016
433
      Nah, not good enough
Jun 21st 2016
448
i want to see Arya and Nymeria reunite this week
Jun 20th 2016
415
this right here
Jun 20th 2016
430
Love/Hate this ep. Some glaring problems in a GREAT ep.
Jun 20th 2016
419
I kind of agree with you but Come on mayne. That was the greatest
Jun 21st 2016
451
      How was Ramsay a better strategist?
Jun 21st 2016
458
           Through out the series Ramsey constantly was 3 steps ahead of everyone
Jun 21st 2016
460
                He had a clear and significant advantage in each scenario.
Jun 21st 2016
462
So thats the second foreshadowing that Sansa is having Ramsay's baby
Jun 20th 2016
427
i felt way worse for the giant than Rickon
Jun 20th 2016
429
Yeah...
Jun 20th 2016
439
I've been binging seasons 5 & 6 since last week.
Jun 23rd 2016
479
Ya know what else would have been useful in that battle? A Direwolf
Jun 20th 2016
434
they would have killed Ghost.
Jun 20th 2016
435
i thought we might get one (or two) when rickon was cut loose
Jun 20th 2016
436
Woulda got got by arrows
Jun 20th 2016
437
i expected him to appear at the end...
Jun 20th 2016
441
The mereen stuff was great too...
Jun 20th 2016
440
was nice to see Greyworm actually do something
Jun 20th 2016
442
Last two episodes were his best.
Jun 20th 2016
444
undercut by the S.O.T.H. murdering people in the streets...
Jun 21st 2016
447
i really liked the negotiation with Yara and Theon
Jun 20th 2016
443
I wonder if the anti-Tyrion plays will hurt him in the future.
Jun 20th 2016
446
the people seem pretty fickle...
Jun 21st 2016
449
Right. In the show you see the winner write history. Killing Jeffrey
Jun 21st 2016
452
      yup and there will be a new play showing Tyrion as a hero lol
Jun 22nd 2016
466
didn't the people hate Joffrey?
Jun 25th 2016
484
I will not have you foks Nitpick an excellent episode!!!
Jun 21st 2016
453
yeah, i liked that that they pulled stuff from real battles to put in th...
Jun 21st 2016
454
Why is it "nitpicking"?
Jun 21st 2016
459
      I call it nitpicking because I don't think the changes you suggested
Jun 21st 2016
461
           That doesn't make any sense at all.
Jun 21st 2016
463
                PTP sopranos threads back in the day were insufferable bc of this
Jun 22nd 2016
464
                     Every fan theory for Arya was vastly better than what we got
Jun 22nd 2016
468
                          I am in the tank though I agreed with alot of what you were saying.
Jun 22nd 2016
469
                               Every fan theory for Arya was vastly better than what we got
Jun 22nd 2016
470
                                    K dude. Keep writing a better version of GoT in your head.
Jun 22nd 2016
471
                                         Keep pretending that was the context of my post.
Jun 22nd 2016
473
What exactly was Tyrion's suggestion on how to handle the Masters?
Jun 21st 2016
455
Dany wanted to go all scorched earth on the masters *and* their people
Jun 21st 2016
456
      This...
Jun 21st 2016
457
any episode with the giants and I'm there
Jun 22nd 2016
465
She's still paddling up river from the South
Jun 22nd 2016
467
everyone seems to get where they need to go pretty quickly
Jun 22nd 2016
474
      maybe she'll run into gendry nm
Jun 22nd 2016
475
      You're not wrong...
Jun 23rd 2016
476
      true...but she very easily could've been background noise
Jun 25th 2016
483
      they still appeared after the Masters were defeated...
Jun 23rd 2016
478
I was wondering if there were more Giants too.
Jun 22nd 2016
472
The homey wallysmith made an excellent point in the Readers Post
Jun 24th 2016
480
as a book reader, i had NO problem with it
Jun 24th 2016
482
To clarify though...
Jun 26th 2016
489
      You know you ruined that last episode for me right?
Jun 26th 2016
492
      it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't thing though
Jun 27th 2016
501
i feel the opposite. i think that's what makes it so tense and rewarding
Jun 25th 2016
485
^^^
Jun 26th 2016
493
yup...that's where i'm at with it
Jun 27th 2016
504
My sentiments exactly
Jun 25th 2016
487
I'm usually on board with wally but I disagree, Good writing is good wri...
Jun 26th 2016
490
Is it possible Cersei had Jaime kill Mad King and made up wildfire story...
Jun 25th 2016
486
no
Jun 25th 2016
488
Great final episode.
Jun 26th 2016
491
All of the pieces are set. Act 3 is under way.
Jun 26th 2016
494
Jon as "King of the North" isn't necessarily bad for LF
Jun 27th 2016
497
At this point she just knew the prophecy was true...
Jun 27th 2016
505
THAT EPISODE WAS DYLAN DYLAN SPIT HOT (WILD) FIYA!!
Jun 27th 2016
495
For all the talk of the books and GRRM writes better stuff
Jun 27th 2016
496
Yeah, let's not get carried away now
Jun 27th 2016
498
GRRM hasn't written a book in 7+ years now, seems like he has epic
Jun 27th 2016
500
      It wouldn't take 7+ to write the story being told now on the show
Jun 27th 2016
502
      RE: GRRM hasn't written a book in 7+ years now, seems like he has epic
Jun 27th 2016
522
i was a little underwhelmed myself
Jun 27th 2016
503
she didn't kill the King...he killed himself
Jun 27th 2016
507
      Margaery was still the queen, and Cersei killed Uncle Kev and Cousin Lan...
Jun 27th 2016
508
      ah i read kinslaying as KINGslaying...my bad
Jun 27th 2016
510
      she DID see it coming. she just didn't REALLY care...
Jun 27th 2016
514
           yes to ALL of this.....
Jun 27th 2016
558
i think the show has gotten better since it moved passed the books
Jun 27th 2016
506
      Same.
Jun 27th 2016
511
Fantastic ep. Perhaps the most satisfying finale and best ep i can recal...
Jun 27th 2016
499
She said she was coming for that ass for the past 3 seasons
Jun 27th 2016
513
      Killing Frey wasn't what was off kilter for me
Jun 27th 2016
520
           I agree with you on this. Mentioned it above.
Jun 27th 2016
533
                I liked the fact that it was out of the blue
Jun 27th 2016
538
That was a cersei way to avoid a trial....
Jun 27th 2016
509
so, somewhere in those stacks sam is going to discover
Jun 27th 2016
512
Jon had a direwolf, which means he is also a Warg
Jun 27th 2016
516
I still don't get the gripes about "teleporting".
Jun 27th 2016
523
Agreed. It's not like they're showing the dates.
Jun 27th 2016
524
It's a nitpick...
Jun 27th 2016
526
      Surely every journey isn't important rnough to warrant exposition
Jun 27th 2016
528
           right...
Jun 27th 2016
560
they set a dangerous precedent with the teleportation
Jun 27th 2016
539
absolutely.
Jun 27th 2016
544
I don't think so. They're on a boat
Jun 28th 2016
572
Or...
Jun 28th 2016
576
High Sparrow was playing chess, Cersei playing global thermonuclear war
Jul 01st 2016
594
Bran can see into the future as well?
Jun 27th 2016
515
oh shit...didn't even think of this
Jun 27th 2016
518
Great ep. Little disappointed Jon sent away the red witch
Jun 27th 2016
517
I think this is why he let her live
Jun 27th 2016
519
Yup. Same here. Completely unexpected
Jun 27th 2016
529
      the great thing about the way him and Ramsay died is the realization
Jun 27th 2016
530
      RE: Yup. Same here. Completely unexpected
Jun 27th 2016
531
Yeah, Cersei's reign is gonna be short like leprechauns (c) Biggie
Jun 27th 2016
521
her vs Tyrion is very interesting at this point
Jun 27th 2016
532
they have the wildfire that will inevitably be launched at Dany's ships
Jun 27th 2016
546
      uh..didn't they just burn up all that wildfire?
Jun 28th 2016
563
           i don't think anybody knows how to make more
Jun 28th 2016
564
           From what I understand...
Jun 28th 2016
575
                no, the alchemists are still around and can make it
Jun 29th 2016
583
Great episode...will watch again
Jun 27th 2016
525
this:
Jun 27th 2016
527
RE: this:
Jun 27th 2016
534
i think at this point he'll be legitimized under another family name
Jun 28th 2016
565
      Yeah, I thought about that
Jun 28th 2016
577
I think I am going to miss the moral ambiguity of the earlier episodes
Jun 27th 2016
535
You're right. All moral ambiguity is gone.
Jun 27th 2016
536
      i hope Sansa is not plotting anything like that
Jun 27th 2016
537
      I doubt she is... but the door is obviously left open.
Jun 27th 2016
540
      lmao
Jun 28th 2016
566
      I hope she realizes that mofo is a Pimp!
Jun 27th 2016
541
           RE: I hope she realizes that mofo is a Pimp!
Jun 27th 2016
555
      nobody feels torn about Arya serving up House Frey
Jun 27th 2016
542
      True. But we probably should, lol
Jun 27th 2016
543
      I'll worry when she develops a thirst for innocent blood
Jun 27th 2016
549
           Justified in stabbing old dude, yup. That was extra though
Jun 27th 2016
551
           Her methods are what they are
Jun 27th 2016
554
           that was history, repeating itself...
Jun 29th 2016
587
           I think that's where the story should head. She should off some innocent...
Jun 28th 2016
569
                That doesn't ring true to her character at all
Jun 28th 2016
571
      not torn in the least
Jun 27th 2016
556
           Well, as a John Wick kinda guy, so do I.
Jun 27th 2016
559
      i think Sansa is gonna take LF up on that marriage offer...
Jun 27th 2016
545
      ^ this
Jun 27th 2016
547
      I don't know that I trust her to out-manuever LF
Jun 27th 2016
548
           Her evolution to being able to outsmart LF would be a great way to end
Jun 28th 2016
568
           I do
Jul 02nd 2016
596
      i agree...i think she'll use his lust for her against him
Jun 28th 2016
570
      right...i mean at some point the story has to end
Jun 28th 2016
567
This episode makes me appreciate Ned so much more
Jun 27th 2016
550
Anyone else scream "King of the North" uncontrollably?
Jun 27th 2016
552
lol nah, but i did get choked up a lil
Jun 27th 2016
557
      loved the use of music in this episode
Jun 27th 2016
561
           They'll win an Emmy for it I'm sure. That intro was haunting as fuck.
Jun 28th 2016
562
great season 6 finale...
Jun 27th 2016
553
The music and tone of the first ten minutes was amazing.
Jun 28th 2016
573
Yeah the music was perfect
Jun 28th 2016
578
Great finale, one of the best they've had.
Jun 28th 2016
574
i REALLY hope we see those ladies from the Dosh Khaleen again
Jun 29th 2016
585
Who were those crazy children helping Cersei
Jun 28th 2016
579
They are the "little birds" that Varys used to use...
Jun 28th 2016
580
      is it safe to say he's lacing those treats?
Jun 28th 2016
582
      maybe...or could just be brainwashing them
Jun 29th 2016
584
      I'm guessing there's no need to....
Jun 29th 2016
586
      Ahh yes i forgot about this scene
Jun 29th 2016
589
           I completely missed that Clyburn had that kid's father "taken care of"
Jun 30th 2016
591
Robb's olf killed by crossbow, Robb stabbed in the gut, Catelyn throat s...
Jun 28th 2016
581
Damn, good catch!
Jul 05th 2016
602
wash, rinse, repeat...
Jun 29th 2016
588
Kanye and Mike Dean need to banger-ize "Light of the Seven"
Jun 30th 2016
590
funny story
Jul 01st 2016
592
The real question is whether or not Lyanna was kidnapped and raped
Jul 01st 2016
593
seems pretty clear that Lyanna was Rhaegar's girl
Jul 02nd 2016
598
Whats the point of hiding him if Robert is the father??
Jul 02nd 2016
595
      Shit if Jon was Rob's father
Jul 02nd 2016
597
           RE: Shit if Jon was Rob's father
Jul 05th 2016
599
"the Starks mocked me. where are they now?"
Jul 05th 2016
600
LOL....
Jul 05th 2016
601
another clue was she kept saying "My lord"
Jul 05th 2016
603
been rewatching the whole season
Jul 05th 2016
604

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1. "Sooooooooo Stannis was hittin that huh?"
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Also poor Podrick lol.

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3. "She looked like Gollum's mother "
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6. "Shallow Hal 2: The Necklace "
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29. "wait...what'd I miss about Podrick"
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cause he's stuck with Brienne?

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2. "Stay away from those Dornish girls"
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Those chicks are crazy.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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5. "so damn fine tho, mmmm mm "
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7. "For real"
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10. "Those chicks are trite"
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4. "Great first episode. "
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8. "Big fan of it. "
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As a book reader, I haven't seen an episode not knowing what will happen since the very first two episodes.

Lot of great scenes throughout, and I loved how the episode started (and ended) with Castle Black.

  

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12. "Cuz they know everybody is dying to know about Jon Snow."
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This show didn't disappoint. The only thing we didn't see was Bran.

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9. "A few things, including a question:"
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1. After season 4 concluded, I was really amped to see the show turn to Dorne, expecting a big role for Oberyn's brother. Well imo it was a joke in season 5, and last night was a stupid punctuation mark on a completely botched Dorne.

2. The big reveal in this episode was dope as hell. Very interesting.

3. I can't wait for Bran

4. Have we completely entered HBO fan fiction territory now, or is this still a reflection of George RR Martin's story?

  

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11. "Yeah man, I wanted to see Oberyn's brother's body guard fight."
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Homie had Yung Berg security.

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13. "I think I remember reading somewhere"
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That GRRM gave them the ending and some major plot points but the show runners are doing their own thing that doesn't involve those.

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16. "Regarding point #4..."
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I've heard rumors that certain book storylines will be present in this season. Most of the arcs are past the printed material, however.

With that said, since we're in uncharted territory here, I'm curious how people feel about speculation. There are a number of "fan" theories out there that range from the "yeah, this is definitely going to happen" to complete tin foil craziness.

I can spout a number of these off the top of my head but since there are clear deviances from the books not sure how many of the "definitely going to happen" theories will actually make it on screen.

  

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14. "greatest boner killing scene of all time?"
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i have no idea wtf that was all about but it was very cool.

great start to the season...my only issues are the continued role of the sand skanks and their xena warrior princess vibe. i was hoping the whole dorne plot line would be banished forever but i was wrong.

2nd issue is that I need more arya. one of my fav characters and starting last season i feel like we only get snippets of what's going on with her.

  

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17. "Where was that when I was in 6th grade hollering at Kiandra in my sweats..."
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I think they sped somethings up.

Roose Bolton parenting...egged on the pyscho bastard.




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18. "Regarding Bran"
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will this be worse than when the 'kids' from Tool Time got older in terms of Bran not being a little boy anymore. I fear the show will diverge so much away from Bran, his storyline will make little sense. It'll be interesting to see how they handle that situation. I vaguely remember his storyline playing out in the books more than it has so far on the show. I'm guessing Arya's storyline is going to get more emphasis at the expense of Bran's since she was ditched to the side on the last two books from what I remember, yet she appears to be getting more emphasis at the moment.

Did I spoiler too much in that response there? I'm legitimately asking and I'm not being a troll.

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19. "that little fucker Ollie looked like he aged 10 years"
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20. "... from CRUSHING GUILT"
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21. "lol"
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I thought the same thing

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22. "Bron will be carrying Hodor around"
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by the time he appears on screen again.

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31. "Bran reportedly is more involved this season."
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They basically had to catch the other storylines up to where he is.

But the actor who plays him is reportedly 6ft tall now so it'll be interesting to see how they pull that off.

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23. "I yelled at my screen ALOT this episode"
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Especially during the Sansa part.....


....them half measures can get u killed....

I kinda thought the Red Woman was giving up on life and ready to die in her sleep

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24. "Episode 1 was off a bit.. but it was just a trailer recap basically."
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It felt kind of a weird episode that hopped around like crazy. Lot of dumb jokes/moments tho that made you cringe.

I think it will get better

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26. "First episodes are often like that."
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Recapping where all the players are at to get viewers up to speed. Only one we didn't see is Bran I think.

It's typically deeper into the season that large chunks of episodes will be dedicated to a single storyline or two.

  

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25. "How much say does George Martin have in this season"
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Since the book is not done?

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27. "From what I understand..."
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This season Martin (and maybe last season as well?) did not write one of the episodes. He's also supposedly ditching all other side projects to buckle down and finish the book.

His blogpost on that whole thing (it's clean for show readers for the most part, then he clearly marks the section with book spoilers if you don't want to read those)

http://grrm.livejournal.com/465247.html

As for the show, Benioff and Weiss know the broad strokes and major plot points, but they don't have all the little stuff in between. The show is going to hit 8 seasons for sure, but without the books there's talk the last two seasons are going to be shorter (like how Breaking Bad split the last season into two parts).

Sucks, but this is what we get when Martin takes his sweet ass time working on everything else BUT the books.

  

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28. "Eh, the magic is pretty much gone for me here"
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Didn't much care about anything that happened outside of the North, specifically at the wall and the stuff with Sansa/Brienne/Theon. Roose telling Ramsey he still ain't shit was also good.

But between the Northern bookends, there wasn't much here. The Arya and Dany subplots were okay. The comedic stylings of Tyrion & Varys were fine, but I rolled my eyes at the fleet on fire; I just don't give two shits about Mereen anymore. I didn't care about the stuff in King's Landing, especially the stuff with the High Sparrow. And they managed to make the Dorne storyline even more stupid.

Glad Davos is getting more screen-time. And the Red Woman turning into ol' girl from The Shining was definitely a "DAMN!" moment. But I didn't think it was a great step forward into uncharted territory.

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30. "There was a lot to catch people back up on."
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I wasn't blown away by the episode but I did feel like it was just setting the table. But it did feel like an episode of subplots with no main story to care about. The importance of Kings Landing has been kind of undercut given the amount of other kingdoms that are in open rebellion at this point and how the King isn't even in charge anymore. The threat of the White Walkers was ignored. The Dothraki getting Khaleesi feels like another time waster than anything else. The Bolton storyline is so dark that I'm just happy to get through a scene without being disgusted.

It'll be interesting to see how they can make these storylines work but I'm nervous that it's going to be a lot of people wandering aimlessly this season.

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32. "I agree, this episode was a lot of catching up and setting the chess boa..."
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>It'll be interesting to see how they can make these storylines
>work but I'm nervous that it's going to be a lot of people
>wandering aimlessly this season.

I think we see Jon and Sansa get reunited in the next few episodes, not sure if Sansa meets dead Jon or resurrected John. That being said, I think Sansa goes to Castle Black and makes that her base of operations to win back the North and take Winterfell back.

I also think we will see Bran "reunited" with his family in the sense that he might talk to them in dreams or at a minimum "find" them through his new powers.

  

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33. "I don't disagree with the setting up the board in principle."
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I just don't find of the pieces that interesting right now. I don't care about Mereen on this show, even one of the series best characters can't save it. I'm not sure re-introducing Jamie to King's Landing is going to make me care about the High Sparrow. And the less said about Dorne the better.


>I think we see Jon and Sansa get reunited in the next few
>episodes, not sure if Sansa meets dead Jon or resurrected
>John. That being said, I think Sansa goes to Castle Black and
>makes that her base of operations to win back the North and
>take Winterfell back.
>
>I also think we will see Bran "reunited" with his family in
>the sense that he might talk to them in dreams or at a minimum
>"find" them through his new powers.

This is the best stuff the show has going for it right now. More of this. Less of the other stuff.

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35. "I agree that Dorne sucks and shouldn't be revisited"
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I find Kings Landing interesting and the struggle between the church and the state is compelling stuff to me. Kings Landing is heading for a civil war which should be fun to watch.

Dorne is a complete waste of time at this point and I hope we don't spend much more time there. When I saw it appear on the map during the introduction I groaned.

I find Mereen interesting because I enjoy watching Tyrion play a major role and see how he can 1 fix Mereen, 2 what he does with the dragons, 3 how he manages to get Dany and their army to Westeros.

  

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43. "I don't even see how they can redeem Dorne"
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The sand snakes COULD be great characters as a juxtaposition of a society going all matriarchy in a world full of bad men but outside of the 'most beautiful girl in the world' scene they haven't been impressive or dangerous. That revolt scene should have felt nuts...instead it was ehh, outside of that final kill and it was more about the gore.

Right now all they are is another kingdom mad at King's Landing, of which im like, take a number. Best thing is for em to put it on the shelf and in the final episodes have em roll up to either help the good guys or the badguys

  

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44. "Dorne has been unequivocally terrible..."
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... but it was also one of the weaker storylines in the books. It meanders with characters you don't know or care about then it's eventually positioned to where it is in the show... against the Lannisters.

The only good thing about Dorne is that the internal conflict was handled swiftly. This means the show can focus more on the storylines that do deserve time to breathe.

  

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45. "Yup. "
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>... but it was also one of the weaker storylines in the
>books. It meanders with characters you don't know or care
>about then it's eventually positioned to where it is in the
>show... against the Lannisters.

but at least in the books they had the angle of the Prince struggling between the war his people wanted and the peace he felt would serve them long term. Here the show barely scratched the surface of that.

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46. "True on all counts, can't deny it"
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>>... but it was also one of the weaker storylines in the
>>books. It meanders with characters you don't know or care
>>about then it's eventually positioned to where it is in the
>>show... against the Lannisters.
>
>but at least in the books they had the angle of the Prince
>struggling between the war his people wanted and the peace he
>felt would serve them long term. Here the show barely
>scratched the surface of that.
>
>ITS A WASTE OF GOOD ACTORS AND GOOD TITTIES.


... but it's only an hour long show. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt considering how well they've been doing with the other storylines.

  

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49. "Iono, I really liked the Dorne storyline in the books"
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I don't want to get too much into book vs. TV show in here, because it drives the non book readers nuts, but I thought the Dornish stuff was really well done. Prince Doran is a fascinating character not only regarding the struggle of peace vs. war that you mentioned, but also in terms of the way he played the Game of Thrones. He was one of the players who had the best vision in order to put Dorne in the position it needed to be, and was excellent at the long game.

Now, since they are clearly omitting key characters and sub-plots from the show, it was going to be harder to get that across, but the character, and Dorne deserved better.

I'd rather they just never mention Ellaria and the Sand Snakes ever again at this point.

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51. "Dorne also involved Q and Darksun? Darkspear? "
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Something like that. Those were the meandering parts. Some interesting moments here and there, but ultimately it was a slog (Q was a total bust).

But I agree with you, Doran himself was very compelling, and the way he struggled with ruling in the books was great, but that's a very difficult thing to convey in the show.

Ultimately, we all knew there was going to be a ton of chaff that needed to get axed for the show and Dorne was a big part of it. Can't win 'em all.

And we may agree to disagree, but some of the "key" characters omitted from the show are also often considered as space fillers so Martin could get other players in place (cough Meereen cough).

  

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54. "Darkstar. And I admit he wasn't necessary."
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But I think the Dorne stuff in AFOC was much stronger that what Dorne stuff appeared in ADWD. I ultimately came around on Q, because I think Martin does very well at talking about the horrors of war (something the TV show has largely ignored) and I liked the last chapter with him.

>But I agree with you, Doran himself was very compelling, and
>the way he struggled with ruling in the books was great, but
>that's a very difficult thing to convey in the show.

I think it could have been done with the inclusion of his daughter rather than putting the focus on Ellaria, who's not a compelling character on the show without Oberyn. The dynamic between father and daughter is clearly different the dynamic than between Prince and deceased brother's girlfriend. No Griff and Young Griff also hinders things, as it ties into the Dornish long game.

>And we may agree to disagree, but some of the "key" characters
>omitted from the show are also often considered as space
>fillers so Martin could get other players in place (cough
>Meereen cough).

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57. "Word thanks, I legitimately forgot."
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And yeah, I definitely do agree, the descriptions of war in those sections were fantastic. Dany's hemming and hawing were grating, but the worldbuilding around her was mostly interesting.

And while I don't disagree with you about Ellaria, I get why they would combine her. From the showrunner perspective Ellaria had the built in motivation from a seminal moment and she was already familiar to the viewer. Introducing another character and sorta pooh-poohing Oberyn vs The Mountain would have felt disjointed to the viewer as well.

I'm just as interested as you in where Young Griff goes, but from the show perspective... is it really necessary? More characters in an already overstuffed world... I mean, it's only an hour long show, to be fair.

  

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59. "Young Griff was supposed to be the baby that died right?"
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55. "I would imagine that they seriously backburner Dorne at this point."
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They've set the table for Dorne to further fuck with King's Landing and the rest now that those shortsighted crazies are in charge. But it felt more to me like those Iron Islands scenes from a couple of years back-- remind the viewer who's in charge there and what their basic operation styles are, then don't really mention them again until we have main characters interacting with them.

Unless one of the Starks/Lannisters/Khaleesi/Snow sets out to Dorne or is captured and brought to Dorne, I'd imagine they leave that storyline now on the backburner in favor of the others. This was just a "repercussions of the Lannister visit" scene, not a sign of a major storyline to come.

Though I'm only saying this based on how Benioff/Weiss have structured the show to date.

EDIT: A caveat: since two of the Sand Snakes are apparently in King's Landing, it's possible they make moves sooner rather than later to keep fucking with the Lannisters, which would keep them involved... but I'd guess the Lannisters have enough to deal with in regards to the religious extremists at the moment to keep their chunk of the narrative pretty busy.

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56. "^^^ perceptive ^^^ n/m"
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235. "very"
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notice how the show has really taken off since they've abandoned dorne?

  

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34. "luckily that truck full of cardboard boxes was driving by"
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just in time to break sansa and reek's fall

  

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36. "This^ "
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Wtf.

Is it just laziness?

And pretty much agree with everyone else, there's nothing that happened in the premier that has me excited for anything to come this season. I guess we just have to be patient,I'm sure something will come along.

The Dorne stuff has been shit and Arya has been wasted since last season and it's not looking promising there. Dany seems like she's just wasting time, her storyline had been progressing nicely when she was moving towards making a run at the throne.

And Jon is dead for now so the most interesting characters outside of Tyrion ain't doing shit right now.

Disappointing premier, but I'm cautiously optimistic it will get better.

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37. "What GoT premier has ever had a bunch excitement out of the gate?"
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It seems like this is a typical GoT season premier. Reassessing the fallout from the season finale and re-establishing where each character currently is at in the kingdom.

  

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38. "i didn't mind the episode as a whole"
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the jump thing did feel pretty lazy though

  

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39. "They could have shown it better...."
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but at the time of their jump, it's full blown winter and Stannis is struggling mightily to march forward. They basically jump into snowdrifts that are like 15-20 feet high.

  

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40. "^^^^^ on all of this"
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42. "They certainly had more cushion than Omar"
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>but at the time of their jump, it's full blown winter and
>Stannis is struggling mightily to march forward. They
>basically jump into snowdrifts that are like 15-20 feet high.
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53. "http://i.imgur.com/XNdV5zJ.png"
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http://i.imgur.com/XNdV5zJ.png

  

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60. "LMAO!!!!"
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>http://i.imgur.com/XNdV5zJ.png

  

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228. "Not sure if it's widely known but the actual omar jump was even higher"
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Simon said he scaled it back from the real life version because nobody would believe it



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58. "was asleep for this? i don't recall them explaining the fall"
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41. "A good reset of the board pieces"
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King's Landing:
Jamie's worked his way into a solid anti-hero, but considering all the atrocities that she had a direct hand in Cersei's a lost cause. Tying him to her storyline already feels like a step backwards for that character...lets see if he steps up to hedge control of the capital. Its also going to be interesting to see how the Tyrell's end up...you get the impression the Lannisters have been beat down but how do those cult niggas have enough juice to hold them without an army coming to King's Landing directly?

Kahlesi's storyline feels like they are threading water. Her being out of the picture lets the men in her life bond (Tyrion/Varys, Dario and Friendzone night) but with so many high stakes things happening in the world her to go damsdel in distress seems kinda...ehh. I realized it was a problem that when they threatened to kill her I realized I didn't care, lol.

Arya's ninja training continues, that's good.

The wall continues to be most interesting storyline and it's a testament to the character/actor that im already invested in Davos trying to survive/stop the mutiny.

John snow still dead.

  

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47. "RE: A good reset of the board pieces"
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>King's Landing:
>Jamie's worked his way into a solid anti-hero, but considering
>all the atrocities that she had a direct hand in Cersei's a
>lost cause. Tying him to her storyline already feels like a
>step backwards for that character...lets see if he steps up to
>hedge control of the capital.

I agree, it does feel weird to see them aligned again, but I can understand Jamie's motivation after the Myrcella scene from last season. This is a wait and see, but since Cersei is involved with some big arcs (ZOMBIE KINGSGUARD) I'm optimistic.

Its also going to be
>interesting to see how the Tyrell's end up...you get the
>impression the Lannisters have been beat down but how do those
>cult niggas have enough juice to hold them without an army
>coming to King's Landing directly?

This is a great question. I'd venture that Olenna and Mace are taking a wait-and-see approach with the trials before bringing in Tyrell troops to wage civil war. They would conceivably have to deal with both Lannister troops and the Faith Militant, which seems unwise.

Also, since Cersei confessed, there still exists the possibility that either Margaery or Loras will confess as well. Unlikely considering the punishment, but who knows what will happen now, hah.


>Kahlesi's storyline feels like they are threading water. Her
>being out of the picture lets the men in her life bond
>(Tyrion/Varys, Dario and Friendzone night) but with so many
>high stakes things happening in the world her to go damsdel in
>distress seems kinda...ehh. I realized it was a problem that
>when they threatened to kill her I realized I didn't care,
>lol.

Agreed, there's been a lot of malaise lately around Daenerys. However, I think she's in an intriguing place right now. She's not (nor ever will be) the "damsel in distress" but she is in her element now. Daenerys doesn't have the patience to govern, but she was born to lead. Not like it's going to be a surprise, but I'm interested in seeing how she's going to rally Dothraki to her cause. She did it once before, so....

>Arya's ninja training continues, that's good.

I <3 training storylines.

>The wall continues to be most interesting storyline and it's a
>testament to the character/actor that im already invested in
>Davos trying to survive/stop the mutiny.
>
>John snow still dead.

Agreed. Glad they opened and closed the episode with The Wall. For a lot of casual viewers, this probably threw some off the scent about Jon's fate. The civil war brewing at Castle Black is gonna be crazy, especially since it looks like one of Ramsay's men was able to escape. Winterfell to the Wall is a long way (IIRC) so could this be the huge battle for the season?


All in all, great episode. One thing that's being overlooked is that, for as massive as the world is, we're seeing major players converge. Melisandre is at Castle Black, Jamie is back in King's Landing, Sansa has her posse and Meereen is... Meereen. This will hopefully bring the narrative back into focus like during the first few season, and a better season overall.




  

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48. "Not only that..."
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>I agree, it does feel weird to see them aligned again, but I
>can understand Jamie's motivation after the Myrcella scene
>from last season. This is a wait and see, but since Cersei is
>involved with some big arcs (ZOMBIE KINGSGUARD) I'm
>optimistic.
>

But consider the fact that their father is dead because their brother murdered him, and 2 of their kids are dead with one way over his head. They are all they got at this point.

  

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50. "Fat titties turn to teardrops"
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52. "Cut out the teardrops"
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61. "I just rewatched season 1"
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There is an almost identical scene with the latest episode and season 1 episode 6 of jamie and cersei consoling one another and talking about how everthing is going to be okay and it will be just them. Interesting

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62. "Upon rewatch..."
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All this Night's Watch oath stuff is bull. These aren't loyal soldiers. Most of these dude were given the choice of death or the wall. A few are bastards or abandoned kids. And this isn't the first mutiny. LOL


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63. "what's written on the scroll to Prince of Dorne"
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The Princess Myrcella died by poison on our return journey. I suspect Ellaria Sand, not you, but my sister will demand war. I doubt Ellaria’s head will appease her, but it is a start, along with your neices . Your son cannot stay in King’s Landing. I am sending him back on the same ship.”

  

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64. "wow Jaime has amazing penmanship for having had his writing hand cut off"
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65. "hes a lannister, hes got people for that"
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66. "none that he really trusts though"
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I just thought it was funny but actually he probably wouldn't have trusted any of them with that info.

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67. "true"
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68. "maybe he's left han... oh :("
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69. "I just heard my neighbors yell. LMAO"
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70. "fuck yea!!"
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71. ":):):):)"
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72. "snow vs ramsey"
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im there

  

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73. "Ramsay is a savage..."
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In a story full of savages he tops them all.

Iron born blah blah blah.

Tyrion. Smh

Now I really want to know what happened to hodor. Not enough to read 4000 pages tho.

Smug ass Faith militant. They seem to like sneak attacks and ganging up on people.

Best moment of the night... Dude w the sigh of relief after cersei backed down. He didn't want those problems.

Wait maybe that was the second best moment.

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75. "And after Roose told him that heartwarming story last season"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_J40KHcIko

Ramsey was like, fuck your soft spot for babies, dad

And yeah, that sigh of relief from the kingsguard guy was awesome

  

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81. "I gotta hand it to that guy, he didn't bitch up even though you knew he"
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really really wanted to piss himself.

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And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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87. "Yeah...Roose had that coming. "
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The Lannisters didn't send their regards this time bitch!

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74. "DUH!!!!"
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76. "they teased the fuck out of him being the wolf though"
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nice nod to all the speculation and I'm usually not geeking over fan service, but I was really on the eve of my seat because this show has built that expectation. I'd have bought any outcome: wolf, resurrection, permadeath.


The question now becomes, and is hopefully a bit hard to answer...is Jon Snow still Jon Snow?


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85. "Right"
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His frosty corpse got more screen time than some of the characters that are alive and breathing, so it was a forgone conclusion that he'd be back.

The only interesting aspect of the resurrection was the fact his wounds didn't appear to heal. Then again, that could be interesting to me strictly because I was expecting the wounds to close up Wolverine style while he was on the table.

Should be interesting to see how he'll fare about the White Walkers, assuming Snow and Co. will seek them out again.

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107. "This feels cheap..."
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Like I haven't earned the right to a Jon Snow resurrection yet. I thought it would be deep into season 6 before he's brought back. Also, it kind of lessens his death scene from only two episodes ago.

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77. "Homegirl who fucks with Arya"
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http://i.imgur.com/PFYu27y.gif

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80. "My mind would be blown. "
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83. "i feel like I've been waiting my whole life for that dude to reappear"
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one of the best scenes of the series was when he fucked up that whole crew kingsguard

  

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86. "Really hoping it's a technique..."
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cuz if that dude didn't die then the hound's joke would fall flat. "greatest swordsman in the world killed by Meryn Fucking Trant!"


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108. ""any boy whore with a sword could beat three Meryn Trants.""
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i hear you but if you look at it the other way it adds to confirm what garbage meryn trant's skills were

I really miss the hound

  

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110. "im still holding out hope on the hound!"
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since we didnt see a body haha

  

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115. "me too, man. me too"
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but i think the jon snow thing just decreased those chances.

especially if they may bring Syrio back. But i'd much rather have the Hound back than Syrio

  

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78. "pretty weak episode all things considered"
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arya's scene, balon, roose and the baby, the final scene, just wholly predictable

seeing dragons and giants and head smashing kept it somewhat fun

but iono felt pretty flat

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79. "my only gripe is"
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How convenient it was to get Roose and Balon out of the paint.

  

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84. "Roose was the smartest bad guy the show had left"
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(if the high septon is actually a baddie remains to be seen)

On one hand it's fitting to be taken out by Ramsey like the last premier evil badass, Tywin, got taken out by his own son.

However, unlike Tywin he should have seen it coming. The only carrot he teased Ramsey with was the fact that he could be elevated from a bastard to a lord...of course Ramsey would do anything to keep his place secure.

As far as the bigger picture is concerned it's interesting how the old kings/lords involved in the previous war are getting taken out by the next generation...both good and evil

  

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88. "Now that I look back"
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I take back Ramsey/Roose. That was brewing for at least 2 seasons.

I still stand by Balon. Dude takes a walk on a old bridge during a bad storm, his brother magically shows up without any reference to him at all in any season, throws him off of a bridge and Yara automatically suspects foul play.


I don't read the books so maybe it's a reference I'm missing. Or if they're really wrapping up after season 7, this is a plot device to move the story along. But that shit was wild Deus ex.

  

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91. "RE: Now that I look back"
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The reference in the book is just basically - Dude takes a walk on a old bridge during a bad storm

It was part of the kill my rivals magic for Stannis that foretold the deaths of (Rob, Joffrey and him)

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92. "Ramsey was his Achilles heel tho."
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You can be as smart as you want, all it takes is one fatal flaw. And this guy both trusted Ramsey and trusted that he understood the order of things-- of course he didn't see the knife coming.

Not to mention dude was kind of a psycho who gave Ramsey free rein to let his own psycho flag fly, I'm sure he thought they were peas in a pod.

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119. "I concur."
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It was unfortunate he went down, because he was basically Tywin of the North: cold, calculating, hyper-rational (and in a position of real power). That sort of character will be sorely missed in the series. We have Littlefinger, but that dude is still grinding, he ain't with the big boys just yet.


(As an aside: the nature of Roose's death makes me think of that reddit post in the bookreader's thread... hmmmmmmmm)

  

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82. "it was far too easy to kill Roose"
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but other than that it was a good episode with no lagging parts.

I think people have set the expectations way too high. it's a tv show - just try to have some fun and enjoy it for what is.

  

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90. "of course it was easy for Ramsey to kill Roose. "
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he's a breathing piece of shit who Roose actually trusted.

so, why wouldn't it be easy?

  

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94. "I've never gotten the same vibe"
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>who Roose actually trusted.

and he looked pretty uncertain as to how ramsey would react to the news of the newborn

and nobody is going to notice the stab wound?

  

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>and nobody is going to notice the stab wound?

  

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99. "Ramsey said that Roose was poisoned"
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if anyone looked at the body they would know that wasn't the case.

  

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101. "Who's going to look at the body?"
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The meister, who's already agreed to help with the cover-up?

If anyone says near Ramsey, "Hey, you stabbed him!" guess what's going to happen to them? lol

If you work for the Boltons, odds are self-interest is the name of the game. Not a lot of dudes following either of them for honor or dignity.

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104. "Working for the Boltons is like working for Marlo Stanfield"
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Look at them wrong or say something wrong and you're going to end up in one those West Winterfell vacants all boarded up.

  

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122. "i'd rather work for marlo"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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111. "the kennel master when he's feeding roose to the dogs"
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113. "im sure Ramsay considers everyone disposable"
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118. "Kennel Master might as well slather himself in peanut butter then."
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Cuz he's next on the menu.

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98. "Well the meister who would check is already on notice"
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It's either, say Roose was poisoned or die .Ramsey may even kill him just in case. Who's he gonna run to?

As far as the trust thing, I wouldn't say Roose trusted Ramsey. He just always felt that power over him. He knew how psycho is son was but figured he'd never dare cross that line. The way he constantly threw those little jabs at Ramsey he felt comfortable being the only person Ramsey was afraid of.

  

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100. "right, the meister was taken care of"
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but if anyone else checked? does Roose not have any loyal guardsmen?


  

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102. "lol these the same niggas that set up Robb Stark..."
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and have a flayed man as a sigil. Loyalty is a foreign concept. Whatever loyalty they do have is out of fear.

  

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105. "dude is their king though or ruler or whatever"
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not everything in this show is anarchy

  

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89. "The deaths this season have been brutal. "
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Perhaps the most graphic of the series.

Spear through the face.
Giant smashing against the wall.
Etc etc.

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93. "I howled with laughter at the giant splatting that dude."
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The timing of it was beautiful.

Same for the guy sighing with relief after not facing the Mountain. Some great comedy in this episode.

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95. "Tyrion had at least 3 killer lines"
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-I drink and I know things
-No, but you think them
-If I ever come up with another idea like that..

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97. "Tyrion and Varis together are magic"
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103. "Red woman meets Thoros (S3)"
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I completely forgot she was around when this happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2MGg_8TF9g

  

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106. "Shit, I forgot too. Goddamn at the setups years in advance"
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114. "Wasn't just around..."
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He told her how when he did it the first time it was in a crisis of faith. He just repeated the words not so much for r'hllor, but because he cared about his friend.


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109. "Not really feeling that Arya training in last night's episode"
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Didn't like the way Jaqen tested Arya. I get that he's trying to get her to lose her identity, but if he wants to assess her progress, he went about it in the worst way possible. When she hears the voice of her hero and is asked questions she knows the answers to, of course she's going to tell him what he wants to hear. That shouldn't have been enough to get her to the next level.

Jaqen, or the nameless or whatever, should have taken on the voice/appearance of an unknown stranger offering to help Arya by giving her food and shelter, and then subtly asking her name. That would have been a much better test and a better scene.

Oh, and that older girl is having too much fun beating up on a blind beggar. She's got to go.

  

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120. "I didn't think anything of the scene at the time..."
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... but you're right, that would have been a much more convincing payoff. Beat as hell, someone takes pity on her, she's close to breaking and gets up to go with them... then right she's about to give her name she steels herself and goes back to begging. Blam, end scene

  

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121. "While I hear you... they also need to keep the plot moving."
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And no one knows where they need Arya to be by season's end and how much ground they need to cover. It may be that the scene you're describing would better fit the pace of the book and not the show.

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128. "the reveal could have been immediately after she passes the"
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test.

My man is right. It's a minor tweak that would work better. I too thought of course she is giving her name to that dude.


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112. "I asked in GD but...Victorian Greyjoy"
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thats who killed Balon right?


where the hell did he come from?

In the books he was with theron/yara when they were sent to invade right?


im so confused by this one

  

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116. "That's Euron, they cut Victarion out of the show."
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117. "ah, ok. interesting. "
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123. "really enjoyed the Arya montage"
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also a big fan of being able to tell this season's table setting is officially over. It was a shame there wasn't much for Tyrion and crew to do but the ramifications of dragons amok has never been immediate on this show. Intrigued by the reemergence of Rickon (sp?), dug the sword fight reminiscent of Phantom Menace a lot, curious what Jon leaving Castle Black means, enjoying Tommen continuing to be pushed around by the adults in his life.


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125. "I'm not at all intrigued at watching ramsey torture another stark"
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> Intrigued by the
>reemergence of Rickon (sp?)

someone rescue this kid quick so i don't have to endure it

>Tommen continuing to be pushed around by the
>adults in his life.

I was hoping last ep was going to be a turning point for him. i guess not.

also he's wearing so much makeup this season that it's kinda creeping me out.

  

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127. "YO! hahahahah"
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>also he's wearing so much makeup this season that it's kinda
>creeping me out.

I can't unsee this now, this is hilarious

  

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131. "i think ramsey is being set up"
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the umbers won't do that to the starks, at least I hope not.

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134. "I want to believe this and hope the Umbers "
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And other Northern Houses still loyal to the Sarks are attempting to defeat Ramsey and install Rickon at Winterfell.

I'm hoping that isn't really Shaggydogs head and it is just some other wolf.

I suppose the Umbers and other houses could use the Wildling threat as a way to draw the Bolton forces out of Winterfell so that they could defeat them in the open field.

However, it is a risky move and the Umbers have no way of guaranteeing Rickons safety.

Unfortunately, I think the Umbers did turn on Rickon and Rickon will be used as a bait to try to draw Sansa out and then Ramsey will kill Rickon.

  

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137. "as a non-book reader should i know who the umbers are?"
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because I'm drawing a blank

  

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138. "one of the major northern houses. longtime stark loyalists."
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greatjon umber was their head at the start of the series, he showed up a few times in the early seasons:

https://youtu.be/snYE3_GGVcU
https://youtu.be/ff35SjsN7g0

that guy last night was his son.

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140. "holy shit...THAT dude! "
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143. "yeah, that actor fucking rules. wish he'd gotten more tick."
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145. "ah, that i remember. thanks."
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139. "Robb's wolf bites the dad's fingers off and he laughs"
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great scene.

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124. "i like what they did with Jon Snow"
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he remembers everything. Ollie stabbed him in the heart.

Saw nothing when he was dead for a few days. That could be seen one of 2 ways and I like that there could be more to the story there, or not.

Glad that he is out of the Night's Watch too, because it makes sense.

Didn't really feel bad for the mutineers, but they've gotta be like WTF i stabbed this guy myself!

  

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126. "Sword fight was bad ass. "
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Ironic that Bran was shook that his dad didn't beat dude. They won by stabbing him in the back. He was so disappointed.

Glad all Qyburn did was give them candy. That was creepy.

I was hoping for me with the reveal for Varys. Duh. Didn't need spies for that info. So basically nothing has changed. That whole storyline feels like a waste of time. Actually the whole dany storyline starting to feel that way. Pointless. Just need them dragons to burn some shit up so we can move on.

This might be the weakest small council ever. LOL

Gotta see Tommen's next move. He was listening, but he face gave away nothing.

The Red Woman is back! Moved on from Stannis as the prince real quick.

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129. "Yeah, its killing me"
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>I was hoping for me with the reveal for Varys. Duh. Didn't
>need spies for that info. So basically nothing has changed.
>That whole storyline feels like a waste of time. Actually the
>whole dany storyline starting to feel that way. Pointless.
>Just need them dragons to burn some shit up so we can move on.


We KNOW the dragons or her forever friendzone knight are gonna save Dany. You've got great characters in Mareen with Ty/Vars, greyworm/Missandei and this could as strong a storyline as the early kings landing politics were in the early seasons (balancing two neighboring city states that hate them, including part of their populace that wants to go back to the fucked up old ways). Tyrion shined as the hand in season 2 and this should have shades of that...but you could tell the writers don't care.

  

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132. "Respectfully disagree about Greyworm/Missendei being great characters"
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Greyworm in particular is comically bad at this point. They need to move on from Mereen though, and give Tyrion more than just jokes to spout.

  

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133. "i laughed at the "patrol" stuff"
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i'm not crazy about his character though. and Missendei is fine and all but not at all interesting at this point.

i felt like the Tyrion scene played on how boring their characters are

that said, i dont mind meereen all that much

  

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135. "I died laughing at the "patrol" bit."
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I'm fine with Mereen being mostly comedic relief at this point, just because this is a show that desperately needs moments of levity to balance out the soul-crushing turns that inevitably come, lol.

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130. "There is not enough talk about the White Walkers at Castle Black"
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There were so many witnesses to the massacre and yet no one is talking about it. I want to see someone crying with the quiver lip and shitting their pants while telling these fools that winter is coming! If this conversation took place, I think everyone would fall in line.

I like how Arya talked about the Hound. I didn't realize he was off the list

  

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141. "yeah they're buggin...they know what's coming and still bitching"
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about wildlings

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142. "THANK YOU! Lol that shit would be number 1 priority, 2, 3, 4, and 5."
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136. "yeah. fuck olly."
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144. "I found Olly to be ultra-irritating and anger-inducing, but i feel for h..."
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Strange mix of emotions...cuz i kinda can't stand how fucking brickheaded he is about holding onto this hate... ...but you kinda get how his story could do that to a kid... and how its not his fault if he's too dumb to see the bigger picture.. .to him it just looks like his hero taking sides with the ppl who killed his folks.

Olly is one of those bit characters in a story that i actually think would make a fascinating story of its own, especially given how it ends for him.

  

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146. "Tables are set..."
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I guess.
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147. "Ramsey's writing skills tho"
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all that "come and see, bastard", snark

and his letter to the Greyjoys from before:

"Balon Greyjoy, Lord of the Iron Islands and invader of the North. I give you until the full moon to order all ironborn scum out of the North and back to those sh*t-stained rocks you call a home. On the first night of the full moon, I will hunt down every islander still in our lands and flay them living the way I flayed the 20 ironborn scum I found at Winterfell. In the box you'll find a special gift: Theon's favorite toy. He cried when I took it away from him. Leave the North now or more boxes will follow with more Theon. Signed Ramsay Snow, natural-born son of Roose Bolton, Lord of the Dreadfort and Warden of the North."

  

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148. "LOL! I forgot about this. We hating on Ramsey being a generic baddy"
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Dude's just an emo evil poet at heart.

>all that "come and see, bastard", snark
>
>and his letter to the Greyjoys from before:
>
>"Balon Greyjoy, Lord of the Iron Islands and invader of the
>North. I give you until the full moon to order all ironborn
>scum out of the North and back to those sh*t-stained rocks you
>call a home. On the first night of the full moon, I will hunt
>down every islander still in our lands and flay them living
>the way I flayed the 20 ironborn scum I found at Winterfell.
>In the box you'll find a special gift: Theon's favorite toy.
>He cried when I took it away from him. Leave the North now or
>more boxes will follow with more Theon. Signed Ramsay Snow,
>natural-born son of Roose Bolton, Lord of the Dreadfort and
>Warden of the North."

  

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149. "nobody's fucking with his pen"
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dude is a savage

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152. "Y'all know he has a ghostwriter"
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Dude can't pick up a quill without stabbing someone with it.

  

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154. "Not just his prose, but his penmanship...."
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dude is proper with his:

https://67.media.tumblr.com/f9ba63bcfbf29818774dae6f996db207/tumblr_o7an50U07C1uxwan3o1_540.jpg

  

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160. "Little Finger says 'Come and See' earlier in the episode."
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0:43

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzKY0P_O8Ss


Coincidence? Maybe....Probably...but if it isn't...

  

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150. "it was nice to see two Stark kids having a happy moment together"
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i can't remember the last time that happened...maybe episode 1 season 1?

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151. "Yeah, i was kinda pissed when it seemed they'd miss each other"
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we seem to be getting some fever breaks this season

  

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153. "yeah the tension has been building for so long..."
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but we may finally be getting some pay off...that may be one of the benefits of the show having caught up to the books.

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156. "Yeah, someone pointed out on Twitter that we're in "Act 3." "
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If there are only two books left, that means we should be approaching the story's end sooner rather than later, so over the next 2-3 seasons of the TV show, I'd be stunned if we don't have more "resolution" moments like the Jon-Sansa hug.

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155. "Didn't last long..."
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>we seem to be getting some fever breaks this season

She's ready for war. John is so over it.
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157. "FWIW.."
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Cersei and Jaime fucked up....

Being manipulated on both sides.

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158. "what did y'all think of last week's closing scene with khalesi?"
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just curious

  

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159. "dope, a little of a stretch IMO"
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as far as the fearless dothraki die cowering before a woman instead of lashing out to attack her


but i can accept the idea that the circumstances caused them to react differently than i would expect dothraki to react

  

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177. "a) she just grabbed that brazier with no reaction"
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b) these were weak-ass Khals who've likely never seen a woman rise up against them.

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161. "friend of mine has a theory she may go "mad king" eventually"
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she has a kind heart but she may lose her shit. that she truly enjoys watching people burn. dunno if i believe it but i thought it was interesting.

as far as the scene, i'm just happy they didn't rescue her, because that would have been pretty lame. didn't have too much of a problem with it. i can understand the complaints though.

  

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170. "what were the complaints? i didnt watch the episode until saturday"
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>i can understand the complaints though.

so I'm out of the loop.

just seemed kinda easy for her to knock off a room full of war lords by tipping over a bowl of fire.

  

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174. "may be on to something... considering..."
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what the new red woman said this week about her "being the promised who will burn away the sins of all the non believers along with their bodies". Hmmm.....

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201. "it feels like she has one of these scenes every season..."
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where she walks out to a crowd praising her as a God...felt a little repetitive but i'm hyped that she has a ton of Dothraki in her army now.

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162. "hold the door"
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lol

  

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163. "that was awesome"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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164. "Fuck man. closest the show had me to the feels"
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Don't care if that time travel shit as usual was kinda nuts..HOOOOODOOOO

  

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167. "Goddamn it. "
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All the feelings there.

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168. "Legit got me teary eyed.....damn feels"
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---------------------------------------

"The world is before you and you need not take it or leave it as it was when you came in." - James Baldwin

  

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172. "RE: hold the door"
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That was intense.
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Same as it ever was!

  

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183. "goddamn that was one of the best hours of GoT i've ever seen"
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fucking Hodor

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190. "Agreed. "
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And that reveal has been brewing for 20 years now... Damn.

  

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186. "Just when I thought people were gonna get a win..."
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Last week's reunion was dope and I thought Martin (or the show writers in this case) was going to go easy. Nope. That shit got me.

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165. "Theon looks just like Euron."
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Sansa got a lil cocky. Can't blame her considering all the shit she's been through.

The girl that has no name is still Arya Stark. The play proved it.

  

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166. "Her and Jon's convos always awkward like first date awkward"
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176. "He's still intimidated by her despite what he's been through"
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You would think fighting two battles, executing traitors and being brought back from the dead would have his swag on universal levels

  

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178. "Conversely, getting a bunch of his wildling army killed and subsumed"
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by a supernatural force, then getting stabbed to death for giving the remaining wildlings safe harbor have him in total doubt that he's a) making the right calls or b) protecting people that deserve protecting.

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182. "Point taken. nm"
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188. "is part of it just a family hierarchy thing though?"
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growing up she was always considered superior to him. that dynamic isn't completely gone, even with everything that's changed.

  

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193. "RE: is part of it just a family hierarchy thing though?"
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>growing up she was always considered superior to him. that
>dynamic isn't completely gone, even with everything that's
>changed.


Ramsey would say that's bullshit, lol. But John obviously has morals so this could be a possibility as well.

  

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195. "Yeah, i mean Jon was raised by Ned"
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And Ramsey's Ramesy

And while Jon, (and maybe Sansa to a lesser extent) probably at this point sees through all that high-born vs low born BS, it's still somewhat in him. Jon was far down the todem poll back in Winterfell. He was raised to believe pure bread Starks were better than him. So was Sansa.

When Jon first got to the wall, even he was on that "they just hate me because i'm better than them", and Mormont had to check him on all of that.

  

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180. "They never had a stong bond go begin with"
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and they are both vastly different individuals compared to when they were in Winterfell, especially Sansa. Makes sense they have to get their footing around each other.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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200. "Big up Pilou Asbæk"
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One of my favourite TV actors - absolutely smashed Borgen and he's dead-on as Euron.

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169. "was there a legitimate reason for that up close dick shot?"
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like i really thought my tv somehow switched to a different channel.

seemed random as fuck. and i get what they were trying to do with testing arya's past but that play scene ran a bit too long.

  

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171. "It's not TV, it's HBO."
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"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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173. "Probably male nudity balance"
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Along with the sexposition complaints in the past another imho valid complaint is with all them titties and ass galore you never saw any male nudity.

To make up for it in the last couple of years of show its going to be all High Definition cock shots every two episodes!

  

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197. "isn't this kind of standard issue?"
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in the past another
>imho valid complaint is with all them titties and ass galore
>you never saw any male nudity.
>
>

  

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175. "For the same reason they showed her tits I guess."
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Men get a nice pair of tits, women get a wart dick.

I'm glad they showed it though because I thought it was a woman playing Joffrey...no disrespect to the actor.

  

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184. "so did i"
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>Men get a nice pair of tits, women get a wart dick.
>
>I'm glad they showed it though because I thought it was a
>woman playing Joffrey...no disrespect to the actor.

  

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199. "nope. "
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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204. "the same reason for showing tits up close."
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206. "but dicks are gross, obviously"
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and aren't usually featured as prominently

  

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179. "If you didn't know, you're an idiot..."
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If you did, you're my enemy...

Was kinda of hoping brienne was just start hacking him up right then.


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185. "so was brienne!"
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187. "instead she's being sent away. again"
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people stay sending her away on missions

but i swore to protect yo... yeah yeah, we get it. just go

  

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189. "that part confused me she said she was sending her away"
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but they all left together?

are they going different places?

  

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191. "They're going different places, yeah."
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Just leaving at the same time.

>are they going different places?

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192. "oh ok did they say where sansa and jon are going?"
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are they going to gather the smaller houses?

  

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194. "Yeah, sounds like that's the plan"
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>are they going to gather the smaller houses?

and maybe RiverRun to get with Blackfish

  

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196. "ah ok gotcha all the different houses were confusing"
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203. "Jon/Sansa are going to the smaller houses. Brienne is going to Riverrun"
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At least that was my understanding.

I have no idea if Davos/the Red Woman are going some place separate or not.

The inclusion of Tormund might be a problem. These Northern houses likely HATE Wildlings.

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208. "is this not shaping up to be a trap?"
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>and maybe RiverRun to get with Blackfish

between the info coming fro Littlefinger to sansa lying about where she received the info...

  

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209. "ya im leaning towards the littlefinger wrote the letter"
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and is still several steps ahead of most of these people

  

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212. "The main reason I'm not..."
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... is because we're definitely in Act 3 of this story, and Jon is clearly a player in the endgame. The remaining seasons should all move relatively quickly towards a conclusion, and I think tossing Jon/Sansa in prison or whatever the result of a trap would be would only serve to delay the endgame further, which I really doubt is going to happen at this point. The chess pieces are all starting to move pretty quickly.

A Littlefinger/Bolton alliance also would betray the one built-in Littlefinger character weakness: his love for Lady Stark and, as a result, her kids. I have to believe Littlefinger knew the Ramsey marriage wouldn't be pleasant, but his ambition to sew more shit up in the North fucked up his relationship with Sansa.

I think it's far more likely that, in the battle of the Bastards, things will be looking grim for Snow and his guys... and then Littlefinger's Knights of the Vail will roll up, unannounced, to help him get back in with Sansa and to help him have influence over more of the map all in one move.

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213. "hm while i dont believe theres any kind of bolton/lf alliance"
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i do feel like little finger feels like he is more likely to gain from sansa and jon attacking bolton and maybe wanted to expedite it

  

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214. "LF definitely wants Sansa/Jon to reclaim the North"
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Especially with his help, even if it's only nominal. Because, again, it gives him a foothold in another of the seven kingdoms.

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216. "I just think the letter coming from Ramsey makes a lot of sense."
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As long as there are Starks around, his claim for the North is shaky. He's got one captive, and he's heard the other is up with Jon Snow, whom Ramsey knows has a grip of loyal followers as well. Lure the remaining Starks away from the Wall, fight the fight on his terms. Goad him into making a strategic error. Makes sense to me.

Littlefinger writing it makes less sense because of how easily that could backfire. He does want Jon and Sansa taking over, but them going into Bolton territory to fight a larger army is definitely unwise, and if Jon and/or Sansa found out Littlefinger wrote that letter, his ass would be even more grass than it is already.

I know that book readers have theories regarding the true author of the letter (which I understand is different in content since the books and show have diverged)... I just don't really know who has better motivation than Ramsey to send it.

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217. "i can clap to that"
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not a book reader by the way atleast didnt make it past book 1

have done some reading of the book wiki pages once the show was caught up


  

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218. "Lardlad pointed out above that LF says "Come and see" in the same ep"
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when talking to Robin

that has me a bit suspicious.

  

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220. "Yeah... I mean, while I heard that too..."
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... I'd need a better justification. Cuz Jon ain't losing that battle, we know from a storytelling perspective, but everyone there should think that he's against really steep odds. If LF did write it and his goal was to get Jon/Sansa killed (the most likely scenario), then it really goes against the one thing we know about him.

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221. "I don't think LF is trying to set up the remaining Starks..."
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I think he's trying to force an alliance. He rolls up to save the day with the Knights of the Vale and it gives him leverage in the north. Combined with his proxy control the reach, and nominal claim on the riverlands via Harrenhal (which was granted to him by the crown) and he is sitting pretty to have a huge portion of the kingdoms under his thumb.

Actually I think it's suspicious that he tells Sansa about the Blackfish, when like I mentioned, Little Finger was given control of the Riverlands, but the Freys were granted Riverrun. Either way Peter is the nominal Lord Paramount of the riverlands, but he has no effective control of them.

I think Peter is just trying to consolidate his power, and given the lands he controls, he needs some type of power over the north. Hell he even asked Cersei to make him Warden of the North if he could take back Winterfell.


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210. "Doesn't make sense for Littlefinger to want Sansa dead/hurt"
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He already has control of the Vale. She's his in to having control over the North. If she teams up with the Blackfish, they might be able to retake the entire Riverlands, giving him a foothold in three of seven kingdoms. The smart play for Littlefinger is do whatever he needs to do to stay on her good side. Or failing that, swoop in and defeat a weakened Ramsay after the incoming battle with a strong Northern army.

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222. "The Crown granted him control of the riverlands...."
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back when he was givern Harrenhal.


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181. "Sooo, does Arya kill Jaqen this season or next?"
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Arya's goal is to avenge her family, not be some hired assassin. I say she gets the skills she needs and takes them all out all them faceless folks.



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198. "RE: Sooo, does Arya kill Jaqen this season or next?"
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>Arya's goal is to avenge her family, not be some hired
>assassin. I say she gets the skills she needs and takes them
>all out all them faceless folks.
>

i don't think that she's gonna stick with the faceless men either. but i don't know about taking out jaqen but ol girl is probably gone get got

  

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202. "1) are the Forest Children extinct? 2) what if Bran cut off his arm? "
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Could he lose the white walkers?

  

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if he cut off his arm, he'd have to time travel to Future Detroit and get himself a custom suit.

but it is an interesting question on a technical level.

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207. "the walker leader dudes are not smart"
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they walked right in there to get murked by some dragon glass...again what is this # 3?

and always act surprised when they die


bran can now basically lead them to anywhere he wants


sounds like a pretty easy trap to lay

  

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211. "These houses ain't loyal! - Davos"
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"you know the north, I know men"


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215. "Davos should be given a show where he dishes out advice"
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He might not be right about the advice, but his accent and beard makes me believe everything he says.

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219. "I like the way they're doing the whole time travel thing, except one thi..."
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If this is supposed to be a closed time loop, then Bran shouldn't feel bad about royally fucking up.

Basically meaning that the future already exists even in the past and present.
So every "mistake" that Bran made was already predetermined

So does this create the idea that free will does not exist for any character in the show?
Seems the consequences of their actions have already happened. Well, in Bran's storyline so far at least

  

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223. "Editing in the beginning was great"
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a lot of really good character moments but we were a bit surprised at the sudden momentum shift after the open.

interesting to see what happens with Sam and his sword, obviously he knows the importance of it and thinks its better in someone's hands than on a mantle.

Dany back on her dragon again but this time she seems confident about it. maybe too confident? bit lazy with the 1,000 ships line from Daario though (still curious how fast the Greyjoy clan is at building 1,000 ships as well).

Tarleys and Freys sling spectacular shit upon their sons.

I dig the High Sparrow but I'm almost fully checked out on King's Landing right now.



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224. "Joffrey was an evil weakling. Tommen is sweet weakling"
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I'm finding them equally frustrating

  

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Lol

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226. "They got me with that one. I didn't see that anti-climax coming."
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The High Sparrow's shit-eating grin was perfect. Dude got tricks.

  

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231. "Margaery is playing everyone I think"
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She knows tommen has been talking to the high sparrow and was just using him to help avoid the walk of atonement, since he probably would have said something dumb to the sparrow the next time they met. If she had known that Jaime and the tyrell army were coming, not sure that would've happened.

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232. "yeah you may be onto something"
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I'm not convinced she's sold on the high sparrow's shit. She's pretty cunning, plus she broke it down to Loras at first like she sees through it. Plus her face when her family forces showed up, she looked somewhat pleasantly surprised. She knows Tommen isn't bright enough to be let in on a deception, so she has to play him too.

>She knows tommen has been talking to the high sparrow and was
>just using him to help avoid the walk of atonement, since he
>probably would have said something dumb to the sparrow the
>next time they met. If she had known that Jaime and the tyrell
>army were coming, not sure that would've happened.

  

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233. "2 episodes ago her pep talk to Loras was all about NOT LOSING"
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and like you said, she's as cunning as it gets. tommen is a buffoon and she knows it. and she's not getting brainwashed by the high sparrow. she has a plan.

  

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229. "I hate this whole high sparrow storyline"
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I still can't reconcile it within the context of the show. I need someone to just show up and take Westeros at this point. Shit is silly.

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230. "I know I"m in the minority, but this stuff is the only time we've seen"
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how the power players have fucked over the common folk. I loved the bits we'd get of riverlands farmers and tavern keepers dealing with the effects of war, and even though they put all of this in a religious context, I like seeing how the nobles have lost the support of the common folk. They garner no loyalty and now have to contend with the fact that their rule isn't secure. I'm actually glad to see how the Lannisters fucked up in a similar fashion to Robert. Winning the throne is the easy part, it's keeping the throne that trips you up.

  

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266. "i love the high sparrow story line if only because its the only one"
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that doesnt fit in with everyone else. its like up until the very last minute he reveals his true self(or doesnt) we will all be questioning this dudes real motivations


in this world we cant accept that his motivations are purely religous or whatever, we are all waiting for the other shoe to drop

  

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236. "i can't put those two in the same sentence"
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joffrey was an EPIC villain on all levels and IMO one of the shows best characters. you hated him but you also hated to see him go.

everything about tommen sucks.

  

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241. "i think because Joffrey overcompensated for being weak"
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I think that was the main reason he was so horrible to Sansa... because she saw his pussy side when he got punked by her little sister and begged her for mercy.

Tyrion let it be known he saw through him, which was why he was why he fucked with Tyrion every chance he got

Twyin knew and worked around it, and just ran the show while letting Joffrey believe it was all him.

But character wise, yeah. Tommen makes me miss Joffrey

  

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256. "Tywin's line has lost it's gangsta to Twincest. "
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Those two sickos have created the most bitchmade kids of that generation in the entire series. Joffrey was fucking vile but was more of spoiled kid with absolutely no spine.

Tommen thinks he's doing the right thing but that choice ultimately comes from him being a bitch.

Granted, both are children so there is that.

  

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227. "Jamie and Cersei absolutely suck at this game"
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High Sparrow would never have been able to outmaneuver Tywin or Tyrion so easily, but he's always 3 steps ahead of Cersei and Jamie. They have no idea what they're doing.

Cersei's "I have the mountain" makes me certain there's a plan in place for the trial by combat too (Clegane bowl??)

  

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234. "tywin or even joffrey would've had these kooks gutted on day 1 "
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>High Sparrow would never have been able to outmaneuver Tywin
>or Tyrion so easily, but he's always 3 steps ahead of Cersei
>and Jamie. They have no idea what they're doing.

i don't buy that this is some sort of intellectual deficiency on cersei and jamie's part. it's just that for whatever reason the show has decided that they can't use force against the high sparrow and this is why the whole storyline falls flat IMO.

  

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240. "Joffrey would have probably acted without thinking"
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And maybe made things worse. But at least he would have done SOMETHING. Tommen is fucking useless. Funny enough, he would have been the perfect puppet king for Tywin

These people didn't dare even enter the city when Tywin was alive. If it did get to that point, Tywin would have handled it. intelligently and brutally.

Cersei and Jamie are basically privileged rich kids who never had to handle shit on their own. Jamie was a gifted fighter, but that's about it. Cersei's not half as smart as she thinks she is.

Only Tyrion has a mind for this sort of thing. probably because he had to work harder though life. Even though his father hated him, he knew Tyrion had skills.

  

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246. "RE: Joffrey would have probably acted without thinking"
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>Cersei and Jamie are basically privileged rich kids who never
>had to handle shit on their own.

Jamie been down to ride on the high sparrow/faith militant since day 1.


>Cersei's not half as smart as she thinks
>she is.

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247. "True, but Jamie does as Cersei says"
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I mean, this whole thing popped off from Jamie pushing Bran out of window for her

Even now he's talking about how he's gonna grab Bron and some hitters, and take care of High Sparrow, and Cersei's like "Nope, you're going to RiverRun"

>Jamie been down to ride on the high sparrow/faith militant
>since day 1.

  

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248. "RE: True, but Jamie does as Cersei says"
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>
>Even now he's talking about how he's gonna grab Bron and some
>hitters, and take care of High Sparrow, and Cersei's like
>"Nope, you're going to RiverRun"

I think that was more out of concern for Jamie finding himself locked up in the dungeon.

I'd say Tommen is far more to blame than Cersei. She got locked up and then Tommen went down there and backed his soldiers away when he thought he might see some blood. From that point on the threat of the Lannister army was non-existent.

  

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249. "Yeah, it doesn't help that uncle Kev is just as feckless as Tommen"
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watched some season 1 recently, and Kev's idea's are all useless
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271. "when the HS hit that smug smile.."
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>
>These people didn't dare even enter the city when Tywin was
>alive. If it did get to that point, Tywin would have handled
>it. intelligently and brutally.
>

My first thought was Tywin wouldn't snuffed this dude week one. With a letter no less.

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242. "Exactly"
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>i don't buy that this is some sort of intellectual deficiency
>on cersei and jamie's part. it's just that for whatever reason
>the show has decided that they can't use force against the
>high sparrow and this is why the whole storyline falls flat
>IMO.

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346. "RE: tywin or even joffrey would've had these kooks gutted on day 1 "
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>>High Sparrow would never have been able to outmaneuver
>Tywin
>>or Tyrion so easily, but he's always 3 steps ahead of Cersei
>>and Jamie. They have no idea what they're doing.
>
>i don't buy that this is some sort of intellectual deficiency
>on cersei and jamie's part. it's just that for whatever reason
>the show has decided that they can't use force against the
>high sparrow and this is why the whole storyline falls flat
>IMO.

Cercei has been a fuck up every season. So yea, Tywinn is right, she's only half as smart (particularly, GAME-wise) as she thinks she is. There's no disputing that especially when she created the High Sparrow in the 1st place and her handling of the aftermath. The Tyrell / Lannister troops looked weak compared to the sea of common folks surrounding them riding for Team Sparrow.

  

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237. "house of black and white a waste of time?"
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what does it have to do to the overall endgame tbh??

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238. "idk. learning how to fight while blind?"
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>what does it have to do to the overall endgame tbh??

my guess is that jaqen will reappear at some point.

  

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245. "Arya is now a trained killer"
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There's that at least.

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250. "Huh? Arya has finished her training as a killer."
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She wasn't allowed to even play with swords for most of her childhood... had a few water dancing lessons with Syrio before he got killed, snatched a few minutes here and there with the Hound, but if she was going to be believable as a threat to anyone that's done their 10,000 hours of sparring in the training yards she needed to go through something like this. She's learnt to hold her own with the finest assassins in the world and she's even learn to fight blind.

And she always needed to turn her back on it eventually otherwise she really WOULD mean nothing to the story.

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239. "Maybe not so much with Dany endings..."
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Honestly they could've cued the music after benjens reveal.

Bran's visions are always confusing to me as a non book reader, but that was a lot of shots of wildfire and looked to be kings landing burning.
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243. "I think those were visions of the Mad King"
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He always burned people by wildfire

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244. "Probably.."
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just the explosion happened after jaime stabbed him.
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251. ""Burn them all""
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Definitely the Mad King - that's what Jamie said Aerys was screaming before he finally decided regicide was the only option available when he was explaining his "Oathbreaker/Kingslayer" rep to Brienne in the bath.

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252. "so my only question is...."
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could Bran some how be behind the whole "burn them all"? Like he was responsible for Hodor without realizing it?

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253. "there are theories that he is responsible for everything..."
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and basically most of the events that took place were caused by him going back in time to try to fix things...i kinda hate that theory and hope it isn't the case but if it is they better explain that shit

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255. "Or at least "entwined" if not "responsible"."
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I'm getting the feeling Bran is somehow an essential component to the world, but not an "active player". We haven't really seen him manage to exercise "choice" yet, he just keeps learning more and more about why the hell Westeros is so fucked... it's like he's on the rollercoaster and everyone else is in bumper cars. Even when he's "involved" it's often something that was already true before he was born - he's compelled by the Universe to just play out his already-written role. The ink is dry.

There's got to be more depth to why Bran is this significant, but I don't think it's there to be worked out yet. I have a feeling it's going to be his voice that Varys heard in the flames, where the Red Women are getting their prophecies, where the witch got Cersei's prophecies from and where the Mad King heard those words.

He's a sticking plaster of antimatter holding a world of paradoxes together.

Or something.

It'd be fucking hilarious if he got killed with minimal fanfare at this point. Meera finally loses patience dragging him from hellhole to hellhole and stoves his head in. *credits roll*

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260. "i like the idea of him being the key to everything going forward"
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but if he was integral to everything that's already happened to? i don't know...i guess i'd have to see how it plays out but part of me hopes they don't go that route. i mean he wasn't always the blood raven...someone else was. he is now taking over...so before him there were others who did what they do. it can't all be on him (or maybe it is i don't know).

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280. "i hope that's not the case. quantum leap of the seven kingdoms"
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i want hodor to be a one-off. if bran grows up to be the old man in the tree who then recruits himself over and over again. ugh.

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254. "I would say it's possible, yes..."
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...once that whole "time travel" door is open it's hard not to view any event (past or present) through that lens of possibility.

However, I tend to lean towards there not being many more (if any) events influenced by Bran. The "ink is dry", as the Three Eyed Raven said.

Hodor was a unique case because, if I'm interpreting the scenes correctly, Bran was able to warg into Hodor through his vision... either directly into Wylis or into old Hodor (via Wylis proxy). It's also known that warging directly into a human is A) exceptionally difficult and B) heavily ill-advised. There may not be another situation where Bran *must* influence the past in order to affect his present (ie, life-threatening danger).

He can do the whispering, yes. But that's nowhere near as impactful as forcibly affecting someone's actions.

Besides all that though, if we get too deep into "what can Bran influence" it suddenly becomes The Bran Show and I'm not sure anyone wants to apply that question to every single possible situation in the show.

  

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262. "that's a good point"
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>Hodor was a unique case because, if I'm interpreting the
>scenes correctly, Bran was able to warg into Hodor through his
>vision... either directly into Wylis or into old Hodor (via
>Wylis proxy). It's also known that warging directly into a
>human is A) exceptionally difficult and B) heavily
>ill-advised.

i feel like i remember this mostly being possible because Hodor was so innocent and simple minded...or maybe i made that up, i don't know

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273. "Yeah, you remembered correctly. "
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Because Hodor has limited mental faculties, it facilitated Bran being able to warg into Hodor when they were getting attacked by... Night's Watch? or wights? I forget.

But yeah, that's another factor that adds to the uniqueness of Bran affecting the past...

Which then begs the question: if Bran warg'ed into Wylis through his vision, does that mean he's even more powerful than before? It's reasonable to assume, given some tutelage under the 3ER, but does that mean he can also warg into people of "average" intelligence (this is assuming present-Bran is not able to warg into present-Hodor if his consciousness is in the past)?

I'm pretty sure I'm overthinking it, but either way I don't think I want to know the answer to that question.

  

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257. "please...no more gilly and sam. like, ever"
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258. "Really?"
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I loved it when Sam took the sword, that will come in handy in the future.

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259. "No more Randall Tarly..."
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He was competing with Walder Frey for worst dad on the show. In one scene.

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269. "second worst dad"
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270. "Gilly's dad was a bit worse"
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Sam's dad would reluctantly raise the kid, and give Gilly a shitty job in kitchen

Gilly's dad was going to feed his rape/incest baby to white walkers

  

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272. "Everything about Craster's Keep..."
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I've erased from my mind.

I do remember none of the "sansa got raped" outrage tho.
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274. "craster wins the DOTY but theres a fierce fight for second"
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281. "Stannis is clearly DOTY"
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261. "man, I loved the Sam and Gilly stuff"
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especially this week

  

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263. "i was about ready to change the channel bruh"
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but they made up for it by him taking the Valyrian steel

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267. "i thought Sam's dad was a proper villain"
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like, we already knew he was horrible, but he didn't disappoint.

and his preppy ass brother bragging on his hunting skills, and looking down on sam for killing rabbits like he aint shit, while Sam's out killing walkers.

and how Sam despite all the shit he's been though was so unable to stand up to his father. it all felt pretty real.

I also loved Gilly stepping up, but also not looking down on Sam for what just happened.

and Pop's reaction to her "What do you mean, DOWN to the Castle Black?

And the sword, of course.

i found all of it interesting

  

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481. "The push in from the camera.."
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...as he was figuring it out was great. I love camera work foreshadowing like that.

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264. "Yup. I like it. Its a nice tonal break from the rest of the world"
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its nice having a storyline that's not oppressively bleak.

  

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265. "taking the sword was cool and his dad was great"
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but they just aren't charismatic enough characters to carry an episode the way they were sort of asked to do here. especially now that Bran's storyline is as ramped up as it is, reinforcing Sam's meekness around his family and Gilly's unwavering support for him feels like a waste of time. even more than Dany's and Cersei's storylines spinning their wheels we get it.


I understand it's a better story if they think they're going to a happy home and then it all falls apart for them, but if Gilly was just going to out herself as a wildling on night 1 they might as well have not introduced the rest of Sam's family at all, have his dad and brother meet them in the hall and then still have the scene with Sam taking her and the sword with her later that night. condense that and give us some Jon and Sansa or a little more Bran. Hell, Bronn eating an apple and cupping a titty.


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279. "this. whenever it's a scene with the two of them i am bored senseless"
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i get it. poor sam is brave deep down inside, but i'm tired of him and gilly running and hiding everywhere. it's just boring, and neither of them are charismatic enough to make me care. i skim all sam's parts in the books, too.

but on top of my aversion to sam, there are so many other, vital characters i'd much rather be spending time with. littlefinger was lost for a season. bran, too. how about a sweet scene with the blackfish killing some freys? or jon and sansa rallying bannermen? or follow through with arya killing whats her face in one episode and having to escape braavos? what about frey pie?

part of this is martin's problem, killing beloved and fleshed out characters and introducing a ton of new ones. but like i said, i can skip those parts in the books.

and everything was so telegraphed, too. "don't tell my dad that you're a wildling!", "hey, look, you guys ever hear about valyrian steel?" just really ham-handed. they should have condensed it to dinner and the sword, and in a way that wasn't so on the nose.

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268. "Right? Really cool to see both out of their element..."
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... for different reasons, of course.

One subtle shift we've seen is Sam really taking agency for his own destiny. He's always been pushed or pulled in one direction or another, and now we see him decisively taking action.

As one of the few truly *good* guys, it's cool being able to root for him to succeed instead of seeing where he pinballs next.

  

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275. "And I guarantee Sam holding that sword will play a role in the endgame."
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You don't make a point of reminding people the type of steel he's got on that sword and have Sam take it on some "tee hee, fuck you Dad" shit. It's cuz that sword will be needed when the Walkers arrive.

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276. "Yep. Anything else is a complete writing fail. "
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There’s absolutely no reason to bother telling his story unless he proves critical to the bigger picture in some way.

  

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278. "One interesting theory I read on the sword..."
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is that it'll force Randyll's hand in retrieving it. It would be embarrassing if he put out a full APB for it, especially considering who took it. Maybe part of Sam's motivation for taking it is forcing Randyll to go up North (where Sam will be sooner or later) and compelling him to see the WW for himself.

  

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288. "Something is up"
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Not sure I like it
Because why antagonize your asshole dad
But I'll be watching
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284. "i really enjoy Sam and Gilly...."
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way more here than in the books too..... they really are just normal people thrust into these intolerable situations, just trying to make the best of it....how down for each other they are is really awesome to watch....

...i guess this means Sam won't be a maester LOL

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282. "Only watched the Red Wedding ep once..."
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So I forgot all about the blackfish and how he survived.


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283. "I was a little disappointed that Blackfish taking back Riverrun"
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wasn't a fabrication of Littlefinger's.

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285. "i like how frey called it the red wedding"
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I didn't know the phrase existed inside the show. Dude talking about "back in season three..."

  

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286. "yeh that felt a bit odd. slightly meta."
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287. "It was a bit odd, I do agree..."
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but I kinda liken it to "The Rains of Castamere", the unofficial Lannister theme song about them wiping out the insolent House Reyne.

"The Doom of Valyria", "Robert's Rebellion", "The Mad King", "War of the Five Kings", "Kingslayer", etc.

Medieval-style memes and shit, hah

  

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323. "it's not the first time"
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Farmer: "Did you fight at the Twins?"
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324. "i like it...all these events become stories and songs in that world"
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there is probably a song about the "Red Wedding" being sung in someone's house in Westeros.

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289. "Who's next in line if Tommen gets knocked off?"
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his bitch ass needs to get got.

does Margery take over?

  

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290. "I'd love to see the entire Lannister line exterminated. "
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With the exception of Tyrion, who I'm hoping isn't a Lannister anyways.

Anyhow, both the Lannisters and Boltons both need to cleansed from the genetic pool of this world.

  

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292. "Tywin rolling over in his grave"
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watching all these weak fucks fail

except Tyrion

  

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314. "Jamie is cool with me"
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minus the whole paralyzing a little kid and fucking his monster of a sister. but hey nobody's perfect.

but it's been previously discussed how much his character has evolved from season 1.

  

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329. "Meh. I was cool with him until this season"
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Now that he's back firmly on the side of Cersei I hope winds up the next Reek.

  

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345. "she always brings out the worst in him"
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the more time he was away from her, the more likeable he became

now he's regressing

"the things I do for love"

  

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322. "ironically it would have gone to Stannis"
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Tommen is a "Baratheon" after all

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340. "Oddly enough, it's Cersei. *link*"
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291. "Surprised by the A Story but I really liked this episode"
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Kind of odd to have a surprise guest as the lead story with so much else going on but I really liked this episode. Kind of disappointed that they made Arya so naive and not expecting her betrayal to get her into trouble but that was a "OH GOD NO!" moment for me. I'm not sure what the Queen has planned or how getting the Sparrow in a bigger place of power helps her but like that she showed some cunning. Not a ton happened but I enjoyed pretty much every scene in this one. And let's get the old Theon back and be done with Reek.

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293. "Sansa's really rolling the dice on LittleFinger"
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assuming that's who she's reaching out to

  

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296. "He'll answer."
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There was no reason to set up him prepping the Knights of the Vale to then have them sit the shit out. And, as detailed elsewhere in this post, I can't imagine Jon losing this battle.

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297. "Oh he'll come through with the knights of the Veil but it's LittleFinger"
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So she's then gonna have to deal with whatever his angle is

  

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300. "well his angle was always to align himself with the warden of the North"
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when it was Roose he was with it but now that it's crazy ass Ramsay who's down to kill his own father, he probably feels it's a safer bet to get in close with the Starks. I can't figure out what his immediate con would be other than that...although he's bound to come up with something at some point.

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301. "Marriage?"
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...although he's bound to come up with something at some
>point.

He's still not 'royalty'. While he's the hand/keeper(?) of the Vale, its basically a similar position he had in Kings Landing when he was head of finance.

Sansa's been betrothed like 8 times while the shows been on so its a played storyline. But if he wants to move up he's either gotta get married or be given a title and the people he's currently aligned himself with can't give him the later.

  

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303. "i think being the King of the North's most trusted ally is a good spot."
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I don't think Sansa would marry Littlefinger for all of the gold in Westeros at this point.

I think, as Davos put it, a united North would be pretty unfuckwitable, and with King's Landing on the verge of a doomsday event, they'd more or less own Westeros. He could be the second most powerful dude behind Jon. Not a bad spot to be in, considering how quickly honest Stark blooded men seem to drop off.

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294. "Best. opening. ever."
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295. "Shit that was prison status"
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These Stark kids stay messing up and what's on Sansa's bird?

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298. "Old Sansa popped up when talking about Davos"
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She forgot she was trying to get those same 62 soldiers when she made that crack. AND Davos got more soldiers than she did, so she may want to fall all the way back. She needs to learn lessons from Momma Catelyn because they are making similar mistakes about House loyalty.

Lady Mormont was a G!!!

I'm conflicted about the Hound. Too many people popping back up. Part of the allure behind GoT is knowing that anybody could be killed. Now, it's starting to feel like an episode of Young and the Restless. But I guess his Axe tour will make up for it. And I was so excited to see Ian McShane (Swearingen). I think he would've been perfect for the show.

They previewed a possible showdown between Jaime and Brienne for next week. Damn I hope that doesn't go down.

  

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299. "I feel you on people 'coming back'"
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but they were pretty groundbreaking for killing characters that would have been easier to keep around, so Ill let them slide.

Particularly since they left him for dead as opposed to killing him on screen (John Snow).

That said, niggas gonna go all Punisher Daredevil season 2 status, so it's gonna be great. Plus he was a fantastic character

  

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302. "A girl forgot to watch her back"
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A girl got fucked up.

On this week's portion of Cersei has no fucking clue. Thanks Olenna for breaking it all down for us. Good to see Margaery is playing a long game.

Blackfish! This dude is ready. Came down to size jaime up. Was disappointed in him. I read somewhere he was jaime's hero. LOL Shoutout to Bronn...that lannister pays his debts BS is getting old.

So glad they did show davos point to sansa and jon in action. Whole new world. Just saying "stark" carries little weight to the new "lords". Jon's camp is about survival since they seen some shit. Sansa's camp is about "getting my castle back".

Fuck this show, cocksuckers!...Ian McShane only for one episode? I got two seasons of grimy pryce, but my dude gets two speeches and one ep. Fuck! Glad to know God's plan involve the hound and an axe.


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309. "I was kind of bothered by Arya being so careless"
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especially after that last episode ending where she seemed to be anticipating an ambush

>On this week's portion of Cersei has no fucking clue. Thanks
>Olenna for breaking it all down for us. Good to see Margaery
>is playing a long game.

With the whole "shame" thing, I had completely forgotten how cool Cersei was with locking up Loras and Maergery. Good on Granny for reminding us, and about her smirk, and about just how much she continues to fuck up.

>Blackfish! This dude is ready. Came down to size jaime up.
>Was disappointed in him. I read somewhere he was jaime's
>hero. LOL Shoutout to Bronn...that lannister pays his debts
>BS is getting old.

Loved all of that. Always great to see Bron.

>Fuck this show, cocksuckers!...Ian McShane only for one
>episode? I got two seasons of grimy pryce, but my dude gets
>two speeches and one ep. Fuck! Glad to know God's plan
>involve the hound and an axe.

Yup. I was hyped. He's perfect for this sho... oh.

  

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304. "OK, so can someone back me up with this last episode..."
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SPOILERS







When those 3 horsemen came to that group that The Hound was with, wasn't the main one... Euron Greyjoy? I assumed he was in disguise as a member of the Brotherhood without Banners to blend in on the mainland.

I can't be the only one who saw that...

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305. "Not Euron, sorry..."
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definitely a similar looking actor though.

Besides the logistical issues of Euron showing up somewhere on the mainland, storywise it doesn't make sense for him to care about some random townsfolk hanging out with The Hound.


That said, the identities of those three riders is still something of interest...

  

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308. "Right? The Brotherhood didn't seem ruthless like that"
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at least the time we saw them. I know they follow different gods, but damn.

The Hound didn't exactly seem surprised though.

>
>That said, the identities of those three riders is still
>something of interest...

  

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306. "I need a Blackfish and riverrun refresher. And the dude they were"
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about to hang.

All vaguely familiar but I don't remember how they all play into this.


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307. "The Blackfish is Brynden Tully..."
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uncle to Catelyn Stark (nee Tully) and Edmure Tully (dude about to be hanged).

As Walder Frey alluded to, people often equate The Red Wedding with Robb Stark but he was not the one who got married. It was Edmure's wedding to a Frey, as a peace offering from the Starks because Robb wedded (foreign side piece) Talisa. Edmure was imprisoned in lieu of his ceremonial bedding, while the Blackfish had to take a leak and subsequently escaped the carnage.

As a sidenote, we were introduced to the Blackfish when he shot the arrow to light Hoster Tully's funeral pyre on fire (Catelyn's father, Brynden's brother). He took the bow and arrow from Edmure, who fucked up his first few attempts at lighting the pyre.

  

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310. "That little Mormont girl had Granny Tyrell snark skills"
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"As far as I understand it, you’re a Snow, and Lady Sansa is a Bolton — or is she a Lannister? I’ve heard conflicting reports."

  

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311. "The writers are cruel for that..."
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>"As far as I understand it, you’re a Snow, and Lady Sansa
>is a Bolton — or is she a Lannister? I’ve heard
>conflicting reports."

that good ass davos speech for 62 dudes. LOL
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313. "Granny Tyrell has some boss one-liners this episode too."
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I hope she makes it out okay.

It seems increasingly like Cersei is gonna say fuck it to King's Landing and blow the whole fucker up. She's never been more isolated. If the Mountain loses in the trial by combat, then fucking forget it, she'll toss deuces to the world and light up all that liquid fire shit.

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312. "Sandor Clegane as... Mr. Majestyk or.... John Rambo"
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318. "somebody is gonna get Brian Dennehy'd"
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315. "didn't we leave off with Arya and the waif in a dark room together?"
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that transition to Arya strolling around the canals of Pentos (somehow not realizing that she was marked) seemed strange. you'd think she'd have needle at the ready and would aware that her killers would be coming in disguise.

cersei getting that comeuppance in arduously slow and etherous fashion.

  

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316. "nah i think that scene is where arya sleeps"
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317. "i thought she was just in there waiting for the Waif"
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after it was shown she was off to take care of it

but i agree, her walking around the city all happy-go-lucky seemed off.

  

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319. "after all that hype for these trained killers..."
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2 seasons worth of Arya studying the art of assassination, learning from the best, fighting for the power of magical masks, and her teacher can't handle a simple hit. It was pathetic, she totally botched what should've been a routine kill.

The waif had a clear look at Arya, could've snuck up on her instead of engaging her in chit chat, and then didn't even know how to use a knife to kill her. Plus she couldn't wait around on the bridge for the body to float up? I know Arya has plot armor but come on.

  

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320. "A waif wanted a girl to suffer before she died. "
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321. "Yup. Its why she went for belly stabs and had that smirk afterwards"
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As far as she's concerned she's gonna go out ugly style.

On the low, praise be that actress, cause that smirk is almost at Joffrey (RIP) levels.

  

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326. "I wonder if *a* waif will suffer for stabbing *the* wrong girl"
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There has to be consequences for that right?

  

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325. "so there's an interesting theory about Arya in this last episode..."
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the theory is that Jaqen was posing as Arya and he was the one who got stabbed by the Waif. He did so because he owes Arya his life. I'm copying this from a friend's FB post. What do you guys think?

1. Walked like Jaqen, wore hair parted down the middle, threw the coin with the right hand (Arya is left handed)

2. Was too obvious. Arya would have never asked for a cabin. The money was thrown around too casually, even if she was capable of stealing such a sum.

3. Lingering shot of statue on the bridge, maybe sorry to leave. Arya hasn’t been there that long, doesn’t have a particular fondness for the place. Could have stowed away as a cabin boy too easily

4. Jaqen’s life belongs to her. He promised her 3 lives to take for the Red God. He took 2, then she named him as her 3rd. Instead of dying he bargained and agreed to help her escape but then when he left he gave her the coin and told her to come to Braavos. And he gave her the words Valar Morghulis, all men must die. Knowing what we know about their relationship with death there would have been no bargain really. He believes in death

His life is owed to the Red God. No bargain can change his fate and he knows it. He willingly dies in Arya’s place, wearing her face, to fulfill the contract on his own life. He also was testing the Waif who did not fulfill the contract correctly by doing a belly wound instead of killing quickly. Waif is going to go out before he is gone officially. Scenes from next week show Waif running/ chasing possible real Arya

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327. "I like the theory that Arya is setting a trap more."
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She seemed mighty cavalier in how she tossed that money and strolled around town. It didn't really seem much like her at all.

It could've been Jaqen. Or maybe Arya with Jaqen's help. Or maybe Arya using some blood packets from the theater productions.

But Arya has been careful for a few season now. Her behavior at the end of that episode pre-stabbing was definitely off.

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337. "yeah, i believe she's setting a trap"
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>She seemed mighty cavalier in how she tossed that money and
>strolled around town. It didn't really seem much like her at
>all.
>
>It could've been Jaqen. Or maybe Arya with Jaqen's help. Or
>maybe Arya using some blood packets from the theater
>productions.
>
>But Arya has been careful for a few season now. Her behavior
>at the end of that episode pre-stabbing was definitely off.

this right here: https://www.buzzfeed.com/andyneuenschwander/this-game-of-thrones-theory-shows-that-arya-is-about-to-surp?utm_term=.gv2mWVZZg#.koKM6m11p

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341. "she seemed genuinely hurt and scared after she got stabbed though"
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if she was faking that part would be odd

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343. "yup"
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344. "Eh, I thought all things considered..."
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... she was relatively discreet during the stabbing and then very public for the walk through the city-- wouldn't be too surprised if she wanted everyone to see her injured so when homegirl comes looking, every person in town will be able to tell her where to go. If she was just strolling around all bloody and *not* looking shocked, it'd be mighty conspicuous.

I'm not saying that's the answer. But there's def more than meets the eye at play here.

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348. "well here's how i interpreted it..."
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she gets stabbed by surprise, she quickly rolls into the water but stays under long enough to make ol' girl think she died under there...

then she swims her way far enough to get away and the rest to me seemed like someone genuinely hurt trying to get somewhere safe but also scared that another "face" could roll up on her. it'd be odd to me if she was still pretending...i mean you already pretended to be dead under water, why then continue to publicly pretend to bleed out? wouldn't she just stay out of sight the rest of the time if she (or whoever it is) was perfectly ok?

I guess we'll see how it all plays out but either way we know she's not dying.

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347. "Wouldn't you need to look hurt and scared if you are faking like you"
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got fatally stabbed?


>if she was faking that part would be odd


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328. "Oh shit. I thought Arya pulled a fast on there but this is gold"
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>the theory is that Jaqen was posing as Arya and he was the
>one who got stabbed by the Waif. He did so because he owes
>Arya his life. I'm copying this from a friend's FB post. What
>do you guys think?

THAT is a theory I like.

>1. Walked like Jaqen, wore hair parted down the middle, threw
>the coin with the right hand (Arya is left handed)

>2. Was too obvious. Arya would have never asked for a cabin.
>The money was thrown around too casually, even if she was
>capable of stealing such a sum.

>3. Lingering shot of statue on the bridge, maybe sorry to
>leave. Arya hasn’t been there that long, doesn’t have a
>particular fondness for the place. Could have stowed away as a
>cabin boy too easily

>4. Jaqen’s life belongs to her. He promised her 3 lives to
>take for the Red God. He took 2, then she named him as her
>3rd. Instead of dying he bargained and agreed to help her
>escape but then when he left he gave her the coin and told her
>to come to Braavos. And he gave her the words Valar Morghulis,
>all men must die. Knowing what we know about their
>relationship with death there would have been no bargain
>really. He believes in death

>His life is owed to the Red God. No bargain can change his
>fate and he knows it. He willingly dies in Arya’s place,
>wearing her face, to fulfill the contract on his own life. He
>also was testing the Waif who did not fulfill the contract
>correctly by doing a belly wound instead of killing quickly.
>Waif is going to go out before he is gone officially. Scenes
>from next week show Waif running/ chasing possible real Arya

This is a dope ass theory. I hate to seer Jaqen die but that's great writing IMO.

Personally I assumed Arya would have found some way to put her face on the girl from the play who wanted the other actress dead.

  

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330. "If that's the case"
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who is going to run that shadow league then? I appears Jaquen was the leader of that squad. If I'm wrong, please correct me.

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332. "i feel like he and the waif are all thats left nm"
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335. "I think that's a very real possibility. "
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331. "so Jaqen ordered the hit but sacrificed himself?"
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maybe just don't order the hit in the first place?

but otherwise it makes sense and I'd like to make sense of Arya's actions strolling around Pentos because that didn't really add up.

  

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334. "I’m guessing there are rules to follow. "
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The implication I got was that Arya must be taken out for her failure to fully commit due to some mandate. Since she named Jaqen as her third, that was a debt he owed.

He clearly has an affection for her. Perhaps he feels her cause is just and decides to satisfy the mandate by subbing himself and pays the debt of his word.

It’s also possible that he lives and this was actually a test for the waif, since she clearly failed to follow instruction.

What I like about this is that there are a handful of viable options here and I’m actually more excited to see where that leads than the Jon/Sansa story, which is saying something IMO.

  

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336. "its a little vague and i kinda like it lol"
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some stuff is pretty spelled out

some stuff like this and the sparrow you arent quite sure about

which could be good writing...or poor writing lol

  

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342. "he didn't really order though..."
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it's just what needs to happen and the Waif was so eager to pull it off he didn't stop her...but he didn't look thrilled about having to do it.

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339. "that...makes way more sense. thanks."
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333. "So, Bran is gonna be the one who find's out who Jon's mom is?"
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Since he can now travel to the past and see events of old, he's gonna be the one who finds out right?

I mean Martin said her identity will be revealed and David Benioff correctly guessed after Martin tested their knowledge of the series during the first meeting. I'm guessing he's related a Targeryn. I'm probably completely wrong, but...

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338. "Bran accessing www.weirwood.net is a neat mechanic...."
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Both Martin and the showrunners tend to eschew flashbacks in their storytelling, the most notable one being Cersei visiting Maggy the Frog.

But with Bran, we can access flashbacks through his eyes rather than as general narration. You're spot on... if anyone is going to find out, it's Bran.

What's especially intriguing will be the repercussions from that reveal... this is where the fan theories have been running wild for years.

  

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349. "That was some bullshit."
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Like for real....
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350. "Yeah that whole episode was just boring and pointless"
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Not much happened to move the story forward.

  

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351. "if not the worst, certainly among the worst ever episodes"
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352. "Exactly what I thought..."
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Tyrion's story dragged, and Dany popping up at the end couldn't even save it. She drops in with a dragon when her city is being burned and she walks in to the pyramid?

Arya's story... So, her solo story the past couple years was just so she reclaims herself? Is there more to this than meets the eye?

The Hound coming back was just to join the Brotherhood... Seems like they could have done that differently to eliminate killing the civilians and just reintroducing Beric and Thoros.

The Mountain facing the Faith was a tease, as well as eliminating trial by combat.

And how much was wasted with the potential big faceoff between Jaime and the Blackfish? That means Bronn didn't get anything to do (again), and Brienne's trip there was an even bigger waste.

I agree, this is among the most disappointing episodes I've ever watched.

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354. "RE: Exactly what I thought..."
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>Tyrion's story dragged, and Dany popping up at the end
>couldn't even save it. She drops in with a dragon when her
>city is being burned and she walks in to the pyramid?

As a fan I need that city to burn down so they can just move the fuck on. All that to show that negotiations w evil people backfire. Duh.

>
>Arya's story... So, her solo story the past couple years was
>just so she reclaims herself? Is there more to this than
>meets the eye?

What a fucking waste of time. They should've did what they did with bran. Stash her off screen until the story needed her.

>
>The Hound coming back was just to join the Brotherhood...
>Seems like they could have done that differently to eliminate
>killing the civilians and just reintroducing Beric and
>Thoros.
>

That was good actually. Outside of the show. The wild fan theories were awesome. And the fact that they killed two of them in like 2 scenes.


>The Mountain facing the Faith was a tease, as well as
>eliminating trial by combat.

Saw that coming a mile away. Cersei is losing this season. The moment she sent Jaime away.

>
>And how much was wasted with the potential big faceoff between
>Jaime and the Blackfish? That means Bronn didn't get anything
>to do (again), and Brienne's trip there was an even bigger
>waste.
>

Show needs more Bronn. And the freys win again. I didn't need to see the blackfish die on-screen, but yeah another waste of time.


>I agree, this is among the most disappointing episodes I've
>ever watched.

The whole thing was one big n/m.

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355. "RE: Exactly what I thought..."
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>Tyrion's story dragged, and Dany popping up at the end
>couldn't even save it. She drops in with a dragon when her
>city is being burned and she walks in to the pyramid?

As a fan I need that city to burn down so they can just move the fuck on. All that to show that negotiations w evil people backfire. Duh.

>
>Arya's story... So, her solo story the past couple years was
>just so she reclaims herself? Is there more to this than
>meets the eye?

What a fucking waste of time. They should've did what they did with bran. Stash her off screen until the story needed her.

>
>The Hound coming back was just to join the Brotherhood...
>Seems like they could have done that differently to eliminate
>killing the civilians and just reintroducing Beric and
>Thoros.
>

That was good actually. Outside of the show. The wild fan theories were awesome. And the fact that they killed two of them in like 2 scenes.


>The Mountain facing the Faith was a tease, as well as
>eliminating trial by combat.

Saw that coming a mile away. Cersei is losing this season. The moment she sent Jaime away.

>
>And how much was wasted with the potential big faceoff between
>Jaime and the Blackfish? That means Bronn didn't get anything
>to do (again), and Brienne's trip there was an even bigger
>waste.
>

Show needs more Bronn. And the freys win again. I didn't need to see the blackfish die on-screen, but yeah another waste of time.


>I agree, this is among the most disappointing episodes I've
>ever watched.

The whole thing was one big n/m.

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356. "RE: Exactly what I thought..."
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>Tyrion's story dragged, and Dany popping up at the end
>couldn't even save it. She drops in with a dragon when her
>city is being burned and she walks in to the pyramid?

As a fan I need that city to burn down so they can just move the fuck on. All that to show that negotiations w evil people backfire. Duh.

>
>Arya's story... So, her solo story the past couple years was
>just so she reclaims herself? Is there more to this than
>meets the eye?

What a fucking waste of time. They should've did what they did with bran. Stash her off screen until the story needed her.

>
>The Hound coming back was just to join the Brotherhood...
>Seems like they could have done that differently to eliminate
>killing the civilians and just reintroducing Beric and
>Thoros.
>

That was good actually. Outside of the show. The wild fan theories were awesome. And the fact that they killed two of them in like 2 scenes.


>The Mountain facing the Faith was a tease, as well as
>eliminating trial by combat.

Saw that coming a mile away. Cersei is losing this season. The moment she sent Jaime away.

>
>And how much was wasted with the potential big faceoff between
>Jaime and the Blackfish? That means Bronn didn't get anything
>to do (again), and Brienne's trip there was an even bigger
>waste.
>

Show needs more Bronn. And the freys win again. I didn't need to see the blackfish die on-screen, but yeah another waste of time.


>I agree, this is among the most disappointing episodes I've
>ever watched.

The whole thing was one big n/m.

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353. "The waif is creepy as fuck. I hated everything about that. "
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First, goddamn she was creepy.

Second, she was basically the t1000 model Terminator.

Third, all that build for.....a fucking chase?

There were so many intriguing ways to take it after last week and then they shit the bed.

Blackfish was a waste of time except for the interaction between Brienne and Jamie, which is always great.

They've fucked off the last couple of Dany/Tyrion eps only to culminate with cheesy, melodramatic endings.

All in all a very anticlimactic end.

  

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361. "The way she ran, I immediately thought of Terminator"
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357. "Clegane boys in the building tonight"
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Terminator W was a big L for this show, though. They took three years to tell that story and then wrapped it up like they were in a huge hurry. I enjoyed the episode more than others probably did but the way they handled this Arya thing was pretty rough. In a show so scant on Plot Armor, a girl can't survive the torture she was put through. But Arya Stark apparently can.


Shame. The Jaqen theory would have solved every issue with that storyline this year, and now it's just a dull blade.


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358. "Ick, gross."
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This is what happens when the source material is running dry. There were interesting returns to the book (Pyke! Jaime at Riverrun!) then there were episodes like last night.

At least we know next episode will have lots of EPIC WARFARE to take away from the bad taste of last night.

The decision to have seasons 7 and 8 be shortened make so much more sense now.

  

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359. "grey worm and missandei telling knock-knock jokes?"
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you've got to be shitting me.

the tyrion/grey worm/missandei trio is on some Dorne level shit right now. and infinitely worse than sam and gilly whom many people here had a problem with (I didn't mind them really). but tyrion has been reduced to trading corny one-liners with varys and pleading those two stiffs to party with him. perhaps now with khalesi back he will have a more purposeful role.

the blackfish story and conclusion was an absolute joke as already discussed.

after seemingly a years worth of 'there will be violence' previews we finally got some violence with the mountain vs those robed pussies. why he didn't just clear the room out, I don't know. those little guys are of no threat and have actually forced me to root for cersei just so i can see them wiped off the pap.

the arya story made a lot of sense to me. she got her training and realized that life wasnt for her and now it's time to go home.. her blind training paid off. beats her enemy in the dark and takes her eyes. that shit worked for me.

  

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366. "All of those scenes are incredibly awkward."
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To be honest there's some gold each scene with this oddball trio but they're ultimately useless.

  

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368. "as a sam/gilly hater, i agree with you"
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there was another terrible tyrion/missandi/grey worm scene earlier this season, too. ugh.

the writers seem to have lost tyrion's voice this season. his hard, cynical edge has been smoothed away too much.

but as much i was disappointed in the end of the blackfish's story, i think that it's tone was in keeping with most of the series. e.g., a powerful lord who by all rights should succeed at his plan gets undone by some bullshit. but if they were going to go that route, they should have sown a little more dissension among the tully ranks earlier this episode or the previous one.

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369. "I loved that scene."
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The show desperately needs those moments of both levity and humanity among the rapidly-increasing-in-speed plot, imo. I relish them.

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379. "i agree that moments of levity are needed, but that felt forced"
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and i swear it was the exact same as the scene earlier this season with just the three of them.

compare that scene with bronn and pod. or hell, even the brigands screwing around before the hound stove their skulls in. or most of the hound's dialogue with beric and his crew. plenty of moments of levity mixed in among the bloodshed.

and i get that it is supposed to be somewhat forced, and serves to put us in tyrion's shoes as he loses his one source of banter and is stuck with these two. but it just didn't do anything for me.

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380. "Honestly those would have made for some amazing outtakes"
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like a DVD extra or something.

They spun some gold in those scenes but I agree that they just don't serve the story in a significant way. With 10 episode seasons and limited time given to each ark, scenes like that are a detriment.

  

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382. "RE: i agree that moments of levity are needed, but that felt forced"
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>and i swear it was the exact same as the scene earlier this
>season with just the three of them.

it was.

>plenty of moments of levity mixed in among the bloodshed.

agreed. and it's occurred in an organic way. the 'hey, let's make a light and funny scene' isn't a skill that this writing team possesses.

  

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360. "Damn that was disappointing. "
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it was like Arya learned nothing and got by on luck and then Jaqen is just ok with it.

Why would he be ok with this? Like he was sympathetic to her "cause" the whole time. It just doesn't make sense, cuz by him doing that, it make the whole faceless men thing null.

Fuck, off screen deaths are taking the suspense out of things.

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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362. "Yeah, that line made zero sense."
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"Now the girl is truly no one"

Just bizarre. Felt like the only reason he said it was so Arya could come back with her "I'm Arya Stark" line. And how does killing The Waif satisfy the name for the many faced god?

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370. "Correct me if I'm wrong..."
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.... but isn't the whole thing that the many-faced god requires a face? In which case, if the god wanted Arya but got the Waif... then that's an exchange? Again, I'm just going by what I think I've gathered from the show.

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376. "it requires a name."
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The faces they acquire are primarily from the people who come to their temple and commit suicide by drinking their water. They're usually poor, sick, unloved people without a reason to live and therefore make for good disguises.


But the system works by those who the assassins are in debt to (at least in the show, it sounds like in the books these people are straight up assassins for hire) take three names, sort of like a genie in a bottle but strictly for murder. But they do get some discretion to decide who is an equal kill to the debt owed; I think I recall Arya asking for Jaqen to kill people he deemed too difficult to follow through on.


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386. "Gotcha. Good info, thanks."
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398. "they call this god that because, paraphrasing from years ago"
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they essentially see all 'gods' as the same. Lord of Light, The Seven, whatever else is out there, they all dole out death as either a gift or a curse to the suffering or the evil. it's one God, but it has taken many faces across the different realms and faiths.


I've always been a little bummed out that any kind of real magic got inserted into that group because I thought it was a lot cooler when I understood them (as a show watcher) to essentially be master assassins that thought anybody could get got for the right price.


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"Nah, they've outright said "a name was given""


          

The Waif said it this episode. Jaquan said it the previous episode. Granted, the entire many faced God thing seemed like bullshit since they are just hired by people and it's not about whether they deserve to die or not. If it was just a face, Arya could have simply killed the other actress and fulfilled the debt.

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385. "dupe"
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double tapped

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363. "did we really need TWO off-screen deaths tho?"
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how do we make sense of the nonsensical way Arya was waltzing around in the previous episode if that was ACTUALLY her? is she suddenly an idiot? it woulda made more sense if she was luring the Waif into a trap, which i guess she kinda did in the end, but coulda done without probly getting herself gut-stabbed in the process.
is Jaqen ok with it all cos the Waif disobeyed orders AND Arya managed to get Lady Crane killed by going rogue? (thereby fulfilling the original contract in a roundabout way).
i really needed Blackfish to get in that boat.
but then nope. ok, so lemme see him go out in style.
but nope on that too.
Jaime and Brienne was cool.
Bronn and Pod was cool.
seeing The Brotherhood again was cool, adding The Hound made sense.
The Mountain doing a Mortal Kombat finish move was deeeope.
i dunno how they managed it, but they've made Tyrion the least engaging character to watch this season. the Mereen shit is overcooked. let the city die so Khaleesi and co can fucking leave already.

im kinda torn on this one. had a lot of cool stuff. but way more weaker stuff. the quality dipped a lil too much tho. shits about to get hectic all over the place so at least the nxt two eps should be lit.

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383. "how would he even know that the waif attempted to make arya suffer?"
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>is Jaqen ok with it all cos the Waif disobeyed orders

  

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364. "Seems like they ran out of money with that episode"
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No visuals of the dragons taking out the ship?
Don't get to see Blackfish fight?

What was the point of Blackfish btw? How could anyone think surrendering to the Lannisters will work out after their allies the Bolton did to them folks where they skinned them alive after surrendering?


I think all the fan theories for Ayra was corny in retrospect. I think they did make a mistake with her storytelling because we never got the sense that she learned very much in her time there. As much as she is one of my favorite characters but they could have had her sit out a season to show her growth as a fighter.


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365. "Every last major theory was far better than this bullshit"
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>I think all the fan theories for Ayra was corny in retrospect.

Compared to this bullshit?

Hardly.

Every popular theory was far, far better in every regard than... a generic chase scene and two eps of completely nonsensical events in Arya's story that pretty much everyone agrees was badly out of place for everyone involved.

This was lazy, unimaginative writing that took an intriguing and well built story that simmered for three seasons and when it came time to give us all the money shot we've been waiting for the writers gave us a white flag with the word "Bang!" written on it in Comic Sans.

There's no fan theory out there anywhere near as corny as that.

  

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371. "Did you miss the end?"
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> I think they did make a mistake with her storytelling because
>we never got the sense that she learned very much in her time
>there.

She cut out the lights. She beat homegirl because she learned so much while blind. Just because she had over-confidence when she left-- which is a characteristic Arya has had for literally the entire run of the show-- doesn't mean she didn't learn anything.

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378. "I am saying prior to the episode we didn't see her grow that much "
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as a fighter. We got constant updates on her but we didn't see her grow that much in skill. I think if they didn't constantly update her and we fast forward to her being a capable killer than that would make her time with the faceless people seem more worthwhile.


>
>> I think they did make a mistake with her storytelling
>because
>>we never got the sense that she learned very much in her
>time
>>there.
>
>She cut out the lights. She beat homegirl because she learned
>so much while blind. Just because she had over-confidence when
>she left-- which is a characteristic Arya has had for
>literally the entire run of the show-- doesn't mean she didn't
>learn anything.


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388. "she at least learned parkour..."
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the acrobatics she pulled off in the chase were impressive.

But yeah, ultimately by killing the Waif she showed how much she's gotten her skills up.

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391. "if this was all just to train her to be able to"
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sneak up on ramsay and kill him then i guess i can accept it

  

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396. "she's a ninja now...she can sneak up on anybody"
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and her Dire Wolf is still out there somewhere running the woods. If they link back up it's a wrap for anyone not name Stark, Snow or riding a Dragon

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392. "Plus, I don't think her stitches opened up"
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she was rolling through pomegranates and blood oranges down the steps. Twas likely juice she was smearing/dripping on her way to her cozy basement apartment.

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381. "RE: Seems like they ran out of money with that episode"
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>No visuals of the dragons taking out the ship?

Was this even implied? I figured they'd pick back up with the dany/dragons vs Masters fight in a future episode.

>Don't get to see Blackfish fight?

I wasn't even mad at being spared of that scene because that whole plot line was some serious bitch made shit. All that build up and dude strolls into the castle after being captive for however long...and orders the entire army to give up their home and become prisoners? Ok. It's not like we'd ever seen the Blackfish fight anyway so we know nothing of his physical prowess other than him spoken as some revered figure.

I was mad, however, at not seeing Arya finish off the waif. We've seen Arya get her ass kicked for the past 2 seasons...let the audience get some payoff and witness her revenge. I don't care if they showed that whole scene in the dark...just give us something.

  

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367. "Anyone else catch a Dragon Ball Z vibe with the writing?"
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Who else can write 59 minutes worth of stalling like that?

  

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372. "Guess I'm the only one who had close to *zero* problems with that ep."
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I really liked the Arya/Waif blackout cut. I liked the Dany entrance. Obviously loved all the Hound/Mountain stuff. Loved the Jamie/Brienne interactions. Loved the scene with Jamie and what's-his-face. Thought the dialogue was really sharp this episode.

I do wish they'd given us two minutes of Blackfish dying on screen. Though since it was super-inevitable, I reckon I understand why they cut it. It almost underscores the pointlessness of the gesture of pride on his part. He could've been fighting for the Starks with his entire army up north. Goddamn Stark family pride, man. Ain't it a bitch.

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373. "i liked the hound, kings landing, and riverrun"
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I absolutely hated the Arya/Waif thing, and didn't like Meereen at all

  

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377. "I understood Blackfish's motives there"
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Plus, he's a Tully related to the Starks by marriage. "Family, Duty, Honor" are their words according to the wiki. If family comes first...

It sounds like by the time Blackfish takes back Riverrun, Edmure is the only Tully of any importance still alive and he just doesn't want to lose his home or let his family's name down. He feels a duty to defend its honor, essentially, and doesn't see Edmure getting his freedom back as a 'gift' from an enemy family as honorable or good for his house long term.

Plus, as he said, he doesn't know any of the current Starks, he only knew them as children. I think he's been described as the only general as experienced if not more than Stannis was so I'm sure he knows the stakes the Starks are up against. He's likely seen children of once powerful houses sending themselves to slaughter before in the name of their houses and homelands.

So he figures, either I die fighting for what's theirs or I die fighting for what's mine...and for now, I actually already have what's mine. So I'll ride this one out, thanks.





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387. "I'm with you - I thought it was great."
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Arya was always going to get the Waif in the dark.. and the candle slice was dope.

The Many-Faced God was promised a failing Nobody... The Waif was told to kill Arya without making her suffer... she made her suffer by trying to gut her like a fish... so Arya taking her out instead sounds like it'd satisfy the Gods and Jaqen.

A Girl is now a crack fighter, possible face-changer and utterly motherfucking COLD BITCH called Arya Stark and Needle caught another body.

The scene with Jaime and Brienne was good, but the scene with Jamie and Edmure was BRILLIANT. The lighting on Jaime. The dialogue. The perspectives. Pure GoT right there. Jaime laying his cards on the table was superb, but he's a fucking liar about only loving Cersei... we all know Oathkeeper isn't the only length he wants to have given Brienne.

Agree that a Blackfish death could've been good, but we've already seen an old knight go down fighting (Barristan) and really all the action was in the Jamie/Edmure/Brienne triangle. The Blackfish turned out to have far less power than he thought.

The scenes in Meereen... hmm... maybe my only gripe was the dialogue seemed a bit forced, but I actually love this trio as a bit of levity.

I assume we've got a battle between the Masters and Danygang that'll be decided either by Dragons or Asha's (sorry, Yara..) fleet before they can take the wooden horses across the black salt sea.

Touchpaper for Battle of the Bastards is LIT.

Cersei + FrankenMountain Vs Lancel and the Faithgoons was superb. "I CHOOSE VIOLENCE". I know everyone's been waiting for that line all season, but I don't watch trailers so it lit my whole face up. Mountain was like something out of Mortal Kombat taking that FM dude out.

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395. "RE: I'm with you - I thought it was great."
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>The scenes in Meereen... hmm... maybe my only gripe was the
>dialogue seemed a bit forced, but I actually love this trio as
>a bit of levity.
>
I think that was exactly the point--How awkward and forced the interactions/casual conversations are between Tyrion, Greyworm and my ex-wife.

  

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I could have done without another awkward Tyrion and company scene but it was quickly cut off by the attack which was cool.

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scene?

that was painfully disappointing

  

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375. "Well, we don't know the full impact yet of this move."
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We don't know Cersei's future in Kings Landing (seems like she'll blow it up), we don't know Jamie's next move, we don't know what will happen with the River Run Troops, we don't know how the Starks will feel about Lannisters at River Run if they win the Battle of the Bastards, etc.

They usually don't show us shit for no reason-- if a plotline isn't advancing the chess pieces, they usually just leave that plotline out (see: Dorne this season).

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393. "Plus, it's entirely possible he didn't die and IS going north"
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all the other "off screen" deaths we've seen their killers, the moment before their fatal blow, or their face on a wall. Hound was left for dead, but never "killed." Stannis we at least saw the swing.

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384. "I kinda liked this episode"
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I don't know how ya'll really expected the Arya/Waif thing to end.... lotta interesting theories, but that's always the way with this show and the books though

I enjoyed the Tyrion storyline, because humility and humbleness are things he only knows a small amount about... or all his intelligence, it's a great reminder that he doesn't know everything and can't manipulate every situation in which he has power

...Them telling jokes was a great moment of levity from characters we rarely see relax or smile

Cersei trying to reassert herself by winning a smaller battle then realizing she's losing the war is always good tv....

The Hound is a fighter, he tried to stop fighting... like the homie John Rambo, trouble found him....

All the stuff a Riverrun was interesting... jaimie is tied to his obligation to Cersei, but feels obligated to Brienne and even Catelyn as well... brienne is obligated to the Starks, but also feel an obligation to Jaimie... Blackfish is obligated to keeping his ancestral home clear of invaders, but there is NO family there, and he DOESN'T feel obligated to leave the past behind as he'd done before and help his blood... Edmure feels an obligation to a familyu he hasn't even really met, but is still his....

BTW, Jaimie knows what the Starks are up to now, so does he go help Brienne, stop her, or run back to Cersei? I'm guessing the last option, but he could surprise us....

Also, Arya has been basically denying who she was since her father died, claiming her Stark name in times of confidence, but either hiding from her enemies or working to be someone else the rest of the time.... This, may have been her really reclaiming her name for good

Didn't like how Big D showed up, that was weak, but i'm guessing bugetary concerns were at play too, but it reeks of bad writing for her to fly in and them NOT show her destroying ships on the way.... Guess the Greyjoys will be to the resue soon enough

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390. "It wasn't the ending..."
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>I don't know how ya'll really expected the Arya/Waif thing to
>end.... lotta interesting theories, but that's always the
>way with this show and the books though


she came off like T-1000 terminator. The whole chase scene came off looking like a terminator outtake.


and for a show that has mastered quick cuts and jumping all over the place there were scenes that just dragged on and on.

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397. "What we "expect" is irrelevant to the quality of what IS. "
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>I don't know how ya'll really expected the Arya/Waif thing to
>end.

What we "expect" is immaterial.

Actually, most people didn't know what to expect. That's why there were a handful of theories, which is part of the fun of this sort of show.

Still, those theories are completely irrelevant to the reaction people have to to what we actually got, which was not only anticlimactic but came across as awkward, badly out of place and downright amateur.

It was a chase scene with a creepy ass T-1000 model terminator. The cutaway was cool but the initial setup in the last EP made absolutely no sense. Arya’s actions were glaringly out of character and thus created some intrigue for the follow up which, again, was….. a foot chase with a little parkour. It was basically filler to get to five seconds of an otherwise pretty cool cutaway moment that all of us understood immediately.

So after building her arc for three seasons, we’re supposed to be remotely satisfied by a culmination that consisted of a generic, awkward foot chase?

I don't know how you "expected" people to react to that bullshit.

  

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399. "it was something different from this show"
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this particular episode was full of that....it's part of the reason I love the show... you're expecting one thing, it goes down another way... I didn't find any of it anticlimactic...was it highly unexpected?? sorta, but I still enjoyed the chase, as disjunct from normalcy as it was.... now...I do think the most glaring potential problem with this episode is that it really Didn't feel like the rest of GRRM's work in the series, but I let that go because I knew at some point the show runners where basically gonna have to start making things up themselves on a higher level....

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402. "This episode felt like when one homie in the crew makes it"
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and everyone is now going to be eating.

Sansa probably walked in that bitch like this:

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403. "That was awesome"
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Going into the episode I knew Jon wasn't going to die but during the episode I was scared it was going to happen. I thought Tormund was dead too. That was terrifying, nice to see Ramsey get what he deserves. Now let's take care of the Freys.

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404. "Rickon never saw Apocalypto?"
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You gotta zig zag bro, come on. I was convinced Ramsay was missing on purpose and was going to release the hounds when he got close.

  

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420. "i know man he even had the burning flayed men symbol as obstacles"
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408. "Um, why didn't Sansa tell Jon about Littlefinger?"
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Like, "Hold off for a pother day or so and we'll have the Army of the Vale behind us."

Might not have been able to save Rickon, but it could have saved a lot of other lives. Or at least let them strategize the whole thing better.

Good episode in general, but that just seemed dumb, and gave the battle the same climax as the battle for King's Landing and the Battle For the Wall. And the Battle of the Five Armies. And the Battle Of Pelennor Fields. And the Battle of Helm's Deep.

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409. "i was thinking the same"
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>Like, "Hold off for a pother day or so and we'll have the
>Army of the Vale behind us."
>
>Might not have been able to save Rickon, but it could have
>saved a lot of other lives. Or at least let them strategize
>the whole thing better.
>
>Good episode in general, but that just seemed dumb, and gave
>the battle the same climax as the battle for King's Landing
>and the Battle For the Wall. And the Battle of the Five
>Armies. And the Battle Of Pelennor Fields. And the Battle of
>Helm's Deep.

just seems stupid, especially after the convo/argument they had.

still, cool action episode.

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410. " i'm not understanding why she never told Jon about Littlefinger"
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AT ALL.... that whole plot point was just weird to me..... Jon is her brother.... They, TOGETHER are going around trying to recruit help to retake Winterfell.... I get not liking the guy for what he helped put you through, but there was ZERO reason to me to not tell Jon AND I found it hard to believe that she went out and met with the guy basically at Castle Black without Jon or his homies knowing....

I had to let that gripe go though as I enjoyed the battle, just as I had to let stuff go about the battle in Mereen

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411. "It's tough. They are sacrificing some writing for good television"
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We don't have many episodes of the series itself left, and we are at the point where dramatic plot shifts/switcheroos, etc are going to be rare because there's simply not enough time...the pieces need to move into place once and for all for the final battles. While GOT made its name playing with audiences expectation the Starks losing this fight or not coming to an alternative positive resolution wasn't going to happen simply because there are bigger fish to fry in the grand storyline.

That said, there were two epic mistakes scripting mistakes this episode with the Sansa issue being the least offensive. Because at least I can explain try to it; WE as audience members knew Littlefinger was coming. Last time Sansa spoke to Littlefinger in real life she told him to fuck off. So her telling Jon to wait for backup might have been silly since it was a shot in the dark from Sansa's perspective. (id also like a fact checker to see what was the order of events of Littlefinger sending his nights and Sansa sending her raven...seems Littlefinger sent them pre-emptively).


Jon Snow? They totally regressed his character. I don't blame the average fiction good guy going berserker rage having his little brother killed in front of him. But Jon Snow knows better. For him to totally disregard the battle plan like that makes him responsible for many of the deaths (RIP Wun Wun). It's something Jon Snow Season 1 would have done but not the dude who is/was Lord Commander and who've they've made a point of giving him the most 'experience' in the show when it comes to things like these

Only thing I can think of is maybe that conversation with Sansa was supposed to show he cared less about Winterfeld more about saving Rickon...and having 'failed' at that goal in such a visceral way it broke him.

Even with these critiques I can't be mad because it was still one of the best episode's they've filmed. But I felt that they could have had as good an episode without those chiches tossed in to give us tension about a battle that had to end with them winning.

  

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and yeah, that was really stupid of jon.

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417. "after everything with qorin halfhand and ygritte"
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jon should know about bottling up those emotions in a time of war for the sake of doing what is right by his people.

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but thinking about it later, I think Sansa's advice to Jon is what ended up saving him. If Jon had retreated back to his troops, then he would have been hit by that first volley of arrows (what Ramsay probably wanted). Instead he charged under the volley (leading to his troops getting hit by the arrows instead).

Those two scenes make sense in that context, which, sure, let's go with it. Is that the best way to write those scenes though? I think that's a reasonable discussion.

  

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421. "nah he actually was surrounded by arrows the whole time"
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he only survived his charge cause he was Jon Snow

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On top of being factually incorrect, your scenario doesn't make sense narratively. Only Ramsay was firing arrows when Jon Snow was charging for Rickon, and it would be in Ramsay's character to see Snow shot in the back retreating back to his troops. Kill the leader in front of all his troops before the battle starts and you kill all morale.

Since Sansa never disclosed the true purpose of her advice, the only point Jon could have acted on it was at the moment Rickon was killed. Again, we can debate whether or not this is good writing but narratively since Jon charged he did not do what Ramsay wanted.

  

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424. "i think you need to rewatch the battle"
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absolutely everything that happened, up until the knights of the vale showed up, was what ramsey wanted.

the reason snow was not killed was a) because he's jon snow and b) ramsey's strategy was to pen in snow's army between the piles of the dead and his own phalanx of pikemen. normally, you don't have your archers let fly when your cavalry is engaged. ramsey did not care who was getting killed because he had vast numbers and wanted to toy with jon snow's army. his archers could easily have lowered the angle of their volleys and trained all their shots on snow. but he wanted the bodies to pile up.

the whole point of letting rickon run was to get the commander (snow) separated from his troops. and ramsey played on the additional emotional component of seeing rickon die right when it seemed he would be safe.

rewatch sansa telling jon the night before, how ramsey likes to play with his prey.

look at ramsey and his little smirk every time he "missed" rickon.

it was all done so that jon would be reckless and get his troops to charge, when the whole plan the night before with davos and tormund was to sit back and let ramsey charge. and jon went to lengths to explain that this way, they wouldn't get surrounded again. but then they got completely surrounded.



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426. "I mostly agree with your sequence of events."
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>absolutely everything that happened, up until the knights of
>the vale showed up, was what ramsey wanted.

For the most part, sure.

>the reason snow was not killed was a) because he's jon snow

You're not wrong, but it's a silly reason that doesn't make sense in the context of the world

b) ramsey's strategy was to pen in snow's army between the
>piles of the dead and his own phalanx of pikemen. normally,
>you don't have your archers let fly when your cavalry is
>engaged. ramsey did not care who was getting killed because
>he had vast numbers and wanted to toy with jon snow's army.
>his archers could easily have lowered the angle of their
>volleys and trained all their shots on snow. but he wanted
>the bodies to pile up.
>
>the whole point of letting rickon run was to get the commande
>(snow) separated from his troops. and ramsey played on the
>additional emotional component of seeing rickon die right when
>it seemed he would be safe.
>
>rewatch sansa telling jon the night before, how ramsey likes
>to play with his prey.
>
>look at ramsey and his little smirk every time he "missed"
>rickon.


Agreed, yes. But what Ramsay wanted *before* all that was for Jon to retreat back to his troops, so he would get hit in the *first* volley of arrows. Again, if the leader goes down in front of his troops then you break all morale before the battle even starts. This is where I argue Jon took Sansa's advice to do the opposite of what Ramsay wants. Charging forward alone is suicide, and Ramsay would not have expected Jon to do that.


>it was all done so that jon would be reckless and get his
>troops to charge, when the whole plan the night before with
>davos and tormund was to sit back and let ramsey charge. and
>jon went to lengths to explain that this way, they wouldn't
>get surrounded again. but then they got completely
>surrounded.

Agreed, that was the plan. But that plan didn't account for a Rickon release. As soon as that happened the plan went out the window and everything from that point on was coordinated by Ramsay (Jon was not going to sit idly by and let Rickon run without attempted assistance). Whether or not Jon died Ramsay was going to execute his plan to pen in his troops; Jon could have done nothing to prevent it.

Again, the only point of decision for Jon to leverage Sansa's advice was at the moment Rickon died. From Ramsay's perspective it would have been suicide for Jon to charge alone, so he wanted Jon to regroup to his troops. That did not happen.


  

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450. "you're wrong about this...go watch it again"
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Jon got hit with arrows while charging after Rickon died...that's why he fell off his horse because it was shot down by the volley of arrows. The only thing that kept him alive was sheer luck. Plus they could have easily just aimed right at him and shot him down. The poster above is right, the whole point was to draw Jon's army into a charge.

>Agreed, yes. But what Ramsay wanted *before* all that was for
>Jon to retreat back to his troops, so he would get hit in the
>*first* volley of arrows. Again, if the leader goes down in
>front of his troops then you break all morale before the
>battle even starts. This is where I argue Jon took Sansa's
>advice to do the opposite of what Ramsay wants. Charging
>forward alone is suicide, and Ramsay would not have expected
>Jon to do that.

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477. "Ok so I watched it again..."
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I don't think I'm necessarily wrong, but I may be trying to squeeze his actions into the narrative that's presented.

But you're right, Ramsay's goal was to get Jon's army to needlessly charge, and he achieved that.

However, like I stated in post #426, the first volley of arrows landed behind Jon, showing that Ramsay expected Jon to retreat, not charge. It was the next volley of arrows that got Jon's horse, after he already started charging.

I think I want to interpret it that way because, by doing so, it would show that Sansa's advice stuck with Jon at least a little bit, even if he didn't know for what purpose. Otherwise, we see a (rightfully) hotheaded Jon that completely disregarded Sansa's advice that should have not survived to fulfill his promise to protect her.

  

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425. ""Every time I come back, I'm a bit less." -Beric"
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im chalking up any Jon missteps to that

  

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All of his mistakes due to emotion? I definitely think these were a result of the "I'm fed up with this world" shit that we've seen from him since his return (not a coincidence that they really dwelled on this theme before the battle in this episode, just to hammer it home).

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412. "all i can think is that she wasn't sure baelish would come through"
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and didn't want to put it out there that she was scheming and have her plans ruined. still sketchy, but that's how i'm buying it.

but, to be fair, she straight up told jon not to fall for ramsey's games. if john had held back after rickon's death, the knights of the vale would have been there in time to help with the main battle. but jon rushed into battle, putting himself and his whole army at risk.

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413. "^^Yup. Jon killed have those dudes."
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>and didn't want to put it out there that she was scheming and
>have her plans ruined. still sketchy, but that's how i'm
>buying it.
>
>but, to be fair, she straight up told jon not to fall for
>ramsey's games. if john had held back after rickon's death,
>the knights of the vale would have been there in time to help
>with the main battle. but jon rushed into battle, putting
>himself and his whole army at risk.

  

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428. "Jon made a big mistake after witnessing his baby brother's death"
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seems fairly reasonable that he lost himself in the moment...not to mention, the guy who killed his baby brother is the SAME guy that been raping his little sister AND running around his family's home like it's his....

...dude honestly just needed that battle to let out some frustrations....

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432. "RE: all i can think is that she wasn't sure baelish would come through"
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>if john had held back after rickon's death, the knights of the vale >would have been there in time to help with the main battle. but jon >rushed into battle, putting himself and his whole army at risk.

This is a key point many are overlooking for some reason.

  

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416. "She played it as best she could..."
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There are never any guarantees with LF. Can't have the army waiting for reinforcements she couldn't count on. I knew the knights of the vale would show up, just didn't know who they would be fighting for until I saw her next to him.


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423. "Nice call...."
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>There are never any guarantees with LF. Can't have the army
>waiting for reinforcements she couldn't count on. I knew the
>knights of the vale would show up, just didn't know who they
>would be fighting for until I saw her next to him.


I didn't think about this scenario. This makes a lot more sense as to why she'd want to keep the Vale secret, because she may not be entirely sure which side he'd back.




She still could have given him some idea though, hah

  

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433. "^^All this"
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No one knows better than Sansa what Little Finger is capable of. This was a guaranteed L without the Vale, but more of a crap shoot than a strategy to rely on.

>There are never any guarantees with LF. Can't have the army
>waiting for reinforcements she couldn't count on. I knew the
>knights of the vale would show up, just didn't know who they
>would be fighting for until I saw her next to him.

  

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448. "Nah, not good enough "
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Sure LF might not be an absolute guarantee, but even knowing there is a possibility, that's critical information to withhold

  

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419. "Love/Hate this ep. Some glaring problems in a GREAT ep. "
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They managed to make me hate Jon for a minute.

THAT wasn't Lord Commander. THAT wasn't the way to close out this chapter of his story.

There's some conversation to be had on that subject. Ricon definitely changes things and I genuinely appreciate Jon's desire to save Ricon. I get it, but a few things about this still stand out that bug the hell out of me.

-He didn't notice Sansa was missing? That seems a little glaring. Further, he dismisses Sansa's advice and experience out of hand and then goes straight to Melisindre, as though she's some seasoned battle expert.

-The fact that Sansa, knowing the stakes and knowing what Jon is likely walking into, doesn't tell him about The Vale. The fact that there wasn't a prior conversation about the Vale between the two of them makes this particularly glaring. That should have been the first place they- JON INCLUDED- should have looked to for help given Sansa's familial ties. Yet, somehow, we never see this particular option discussed on any level.

When she was begging him to hold off for more forces, when he says, YO, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE, instead of the rest of the argument, WHY doesn’t she say “hey, maybe not, I sent a Raven and we may have this in our back pocket and I didn’t say anything for XYZ reason. EXPOSITION OVER. Done. Jon is given a tangible reason to bide his time a little more

-The giant was fucking useless and poorly used. When they were all surrounded I kept thinking the giant could pretty easily kick a hole through them and start fucking them up from the back. They shouldn’t have included him if they weren’t going to wreck shop with him and find a creative way to take him out.

-A complete lack of battle creativity from, well, anyone on Jon’s end. Davos, Tormund, Jon, none of them present any sort of savvy. They couldn’t hide a small handful of forces further out from another direction for a flank or some shit? I know, I know, everyone is an armchair battle commander, played to many RTS games, yadda yadda yadda, but the fact that they were so badly outnumbered should have automatically lead to some sort of outside the box thinking. Why not fall back to the woods or some shit? Something to cause Ramsay’s men to break their plan? SOMETHING.

Frankly this episode, while insanely tense and as engrossing as anything I’ve seen from them, somehow pulled that off in spite of doubling down on dumbed down, straightforward, rushed writing from the previous ep. If the excuse is, hey, TIME CONSTRAINTS, I’m much less optimistic for the next two shortened seasons if this is the new way of things.

They still pulled off an amazing episode but the flaws in this are still pretty glaring. It succeeded in spite of itself.

  

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451. "I kind of agree with you but Come on mayne. That was the greatest"
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battle scene ever.

I think we all knew the Knights of the Vale were coming so it did not work as a surprise and we were left wondering why not share that tidbit and they probably could have coordinate an attack.


However, I did not find anything wrong with the idea that Jon Snow is not a brilliant battle strategist. There is nothing in his history that would suggest otherwise. I think it should be clear that Ramsey was the better strategist. That's why Ramsey knew he had to get Jon to charge first and that's why he used Rickon the way he did.

Also it seemed that they did have a plan. There goal was to stand their ground and try to lure the Boltons to them. That plan went into the garbage when they pulled out Rickon.

Also Sansa didn't give him in actionable advice. Just don't do what Ramsey expects you to do. Not much you can do with that. No wonder, he went around looking for more advice.




>They managed to make me hate Jon for a minute.
>
>THAT wasn't Lord Commander. THAT wasn't the way to close out
>this chapter of his story.
>
>There's some conversation to be had on that subject. Ricon
>definitely changes things and I genuinely appreciate Jon's
>desire to save Ricon. I get it, but a few things about this
>still stand out that bug the hell out of me.
>
>-He didn't notice Sansa was missing? That seems a little
>glaring. Further, he dismisses Sansa's advice and experience
>out of hand and then goes straight to Melisindre, as though
>she's some seasoned battle expert.
>
>-The fact that Sansa, knowing the stakes and knowing what Jon
>is likely walking into, doesn't tell him about The Vale. The
>fact that there wasn't a prior conversation about the Vale
>between the two of them makes this particularly glaring. That
>should have been the first place they- JON INCLUDED- should
>have looked to for help given Sansa's familial ties. Yet,
>somehow, we never see this particular option discussed on any
>level.
>
>When she was begging him to hold off for more forces, when he
>says, YO, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE, instead of the rest of the
>argument, WHY doesn’t she say “hey, maybe not, I sent a
>Raven and we may have this in our back pocket and I didn’t
>say anything for XYZ reason. EXPOSITION OVER. Done. Jon is
>given a tangible reason to bide his time a little more
>
>-The giant was fucking useless and poorly used. When they were
>all surrounded I kept thinking the giant could pretty easily
>kick a hole through them and start fucking them up from the
>back. They shouldn’t have included him if they weren’t
>going to wreck shop with him and find a creative way to take
>him out.
>
>-A complete lack of battle creativity from, well, anyone on
>Jon’s end. Davos, Tormund, Jon, none of them present any
>sort of savvy. They couldn’t hide a small handful of forces
>further out from another direction for a flank or some shit? I
>know, I know, everyone is an armchair battle commander, played
>to many RTS games, yadda yadda yadda, but the fact that they
>were so badly outnumbered should have automatically lead to
>some sort of outside the box thinking. Why not fall back to
>the woods or some shit? Something to cause Ramsay’s men to
>break their plan? SOMETHING.
>
>Frankly this episode, while insanely tense and as engrossing
>as anything I’ve seen from them, somehow pulled that off in
>spite of doubling down on dumbed down, straightforward, rushed
>writing from the previous ep. If the excuse is, hey, TIME
>CONSTRAINTS, I’m much less optimistic for the next two
>shortened seasons if this is the new way of things.
>
>They still pulled off an amazing episode but the flaws in this
>are still pretty glaring. It succeeded in spite of itself.


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458. "How was Ramsay a better strategist?"
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>However, I did not find anything wrong with the idea that Jon
>Snow is not a brilliant battle strategist. There is nothing
>in his history that would suggest otherwise. I think it
>should be clear that Ramsey was the better strategist. That's
>why Ramsey knew he had to get Jon to charge first and that's
>why he used Rickon the way he did.

He was simply playing from a position of power and did nothing to indicate he was a superior strategist.

He held a massive numbers advantage as well as a critical hostage and the imposing luxury of being able to fall back to Winterfell. At best he proved that he was competent enough to maximize the value of his positioning but I don’t see anyone of any significance on the show who wouldn’t have been able to pull off the exact same victory with such an embarrassment of riches in battle.

>Also it seemed that they did have a plan. There goal was to
>stand their ground and try to lure the Boltons to them. That
>plan went into the garbage when they pulled out Rickon.

Fair point if true. I'll have to re-watch for that. I just don't recall anything of the sort.

>Also Sansa didn't give him in actionable advice. Just don't
>do what Ramsey expects you to do. Not much you can do with
>that. No wonder, he went around looking for more advice.

Jon was entirely resistant to information he should have been proactively pursuing.

That scene should have played out in a completely different way.

"Sansa, I don't mean to open any wounds, but if there's ANY information about Ramsay that could help us, no matter how small, it would be a great help"

Boom. Done. Exposition over. Not to get all fan-fiction with it but something along those lines makes more sense on every level.

Instead he was emotional, impetuous, and resistant to council. She didn't need to have the "Key", so to speak, to defeating Ramsay, for her input to be valuable. Further, he doesn't need to be a savant in battle to ask her for any insight that could potentially help him.

I just don't think anything about that scene jived with the stakes at hand or the inherent leadership quality Jon has exhibited throughout the show. He hasn't proven to be some master strategist, but he has proven to be a sensible leader. Outside of a very basic level of passion, very little of that scene rings true to the character or the situation they were in.

As I said, I think it was a great episode. I just think it managed to be as good as it was in spite of some glaring issues.

  

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460. "Through out the series Ramsey constantly was 3 steps ahead of everyone"
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he dealt with. The dude was the Joker of GoT The list of people he outsmarted is long.

1. Theon.
2. The Wildling chick
3. His father
4. Stannis (with his father shooting down his initial bad idea he came up with the raids on his camps).
5. Them dudes he got to lower their drawbridge then he flayed.

Dude made a season out of masterly manipulating people to get the results he wanted.

And he excellently executed a strategy that would have crush Jon Snow and his crew if it weren't for the Knights of the Vale.

Yes, maybe it was a battle others could have won in his position but that didn't mean he didn't play the role well (ok, maybe he should have never left the castle).

>>However, I did not find anything wrong with the idea that
>Jon
>>Snow is not a brilliant battle strategist. There is nothing
>>in his history that would suggest otherwise. I think it
>>should be clear that Ramsey was the better strategist.
>That's
>>why Ramsey knew he had to get Jon to charge first and that's
>>why he used Rickon the way he did.
>
>He was simply playing from a position of power and did nothing
>to indicate he was a superior strategist.
>
>He held a massive numbers advantage as well as a critical
>hostage and the imposing luxury of being able to fall back to
>Winterfell. At best he proved that he was competent enough to
>maximize the value of his positioning but I don’t see anyone
>of any significance on the show who wouldn’t have been able
>to pull off the exact same victory with such an embarrassment
>of riches in battle.
>
>>Also it seemed that they did have a plan. There goal was to
>>stand their ground and try to lure the Boltons to them.
>That
>>plan went into the garbage when they pulled out Rickon.
>
>Fair point if true. I'll have to re-watch for that. I just
>don't recall anything of the sort.
>
>>Also Sansa didn't give him in actionable advice. Just don't
>>do what Ramsey expects you to do. Not much you can do with
>>that. No wonder, he went around looking for more advice.
>
>Jon was entirely resistant to information he should have been
>proactively pursuing.
>
>That scene should have played out in a completely different
>way.
>
>"Sansa, I don't mean to open any wounds, but if there's ANY
>information about Ramsay that could help us, no matter how
>small, it would be a great help"


No offense bro but that sounds hokey and terrible. She already said she didn't know anything that could help. I actually think the purpose of that scene was exposition for the audience to know that the setup with Rickon was a trap. Funny thing is I saw that scene and I thought it was out of place that she insisted he should have asked her for help when she didn't have any real advice to give.

I actually appreciate that Jon won the battle without some sort of gimmick (well except for the knights of the vale) like Sansa telling him that he is ticklish under his left knee or something like that.


To sum up, to me it makes no sense that Jon would seriously consult a woman in that setting for strategic advice in a war setting. Doing so would have been totally out of character and out of context in my opinion.


>
>Boom. Done. Exposition over. Not to get all fan-fiction with
>it but something along those lines makes more sense on every
>level.
>
>Instead he was emotional, impetuous, and resistant to council.
>She didn't need to have the "Key", so to speak, to defeating
>Ramsay, for her input to be valuable. Further, he doesn't need
>to be a savant in battle to ask her for any insight that could
>potentially help him.
>
>I just don't think anything about that scene jived with the
>stakes at hand or the inherent leadership quality Jon has
>exhibited throughout the show. He hasn't proven to be some
>master strategist, but he has proven to be a sensible leader.
>Outside of a very basic level of passion, very little of that
>scene rings true to the character or the situation they were
>in.
>
>As I said, I think it was a great episode. I just think it
>managed to be as good as it was in spite of some glaring
>issues.


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462. "He had a clear and significant advantage in each scenario. "
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Even the wildling. He wasn't particularly cunning, he simply had enough common sense to know she was probably going to try to kill him if she had half a chance.

Killing his dad required no cunning, no strategy, no real plan. He clearly did some political maneuvering beforehand and he gets points for that.

The one feat of strategic cunning was his sabotage of Stannis.

Still, he's never truly been at a disadvantage. He's always played from a position of power. At most he's competently managed his position but it's hard to say he's a good strategist when the vast majority of his strategic 'planning' has been a simple matter of making rather plain use of a clear advantage.

  

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427. "So thats the second foreshadowing that Sansa is having Ramsay's baby"
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i forgot that kid even existed before a couple weeks ago

  

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>i forgot that kid even existed before a couple weeks ago

kid was dead the moment he got turned over to ramsay. no way he lives. The rest was theater. Wun Wun...sigh. The other giant took out the gate and 7-8 dudes at the Wall. I'm shocked ramsay didn't put some dudes on that gate.
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That giant was my nigga, man.

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434. "Ya know what else would have been useful in that battle? A Direwolf"
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Like Ghost. But he's MIA again.

I guess they didn't have the budget to animate a giant wolf along with all the other stuff going on in the episode. And it seems like B&W still don't know what to do with the Direwolves aside from kill them.

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he was playing the back with Lyanna.

  

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i was hoping ramsey would sic the dogs and then the dire wolves would run wild. but nope.

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437. "Woulda got got by arrows"
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i ain't ready to watch another direwolf die, man

  

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441. "i expected him to appear at the end..."
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figured Ramsay's hounds would factor in somehow and Ghost would fuck them up but didn't play out that way.

Not sure why everybody is acting like he would've died easily. Rob's wolf used to stay in some battles.

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440. "The mereen stuff was great too..."
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probably should've been part of last week's episode, but I guess they wanted Miguel Sapochnik since he kicked ass with Hardhome.

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442. "was nice to see Greyworm actually do something"
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Mereen has been pretty weak but i was thoroughly satisfied with this one

Tyrion talking about how the economy is strong lol

>probably should've been part of last week's episode, but I
>guess they wanted Miguel Sapochnik since he kicked ass with
>Hardhome.

Yeah, this ep felt like 80% of the budget


>Yara and Dany meet and flirt. Cute.

"but like, that's our way of life"

Dany looked hotter than ever in that scene

  

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444. "Last two episodes were his best."
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>>Yara and Dany meet and flirt. Cute.
>
>"but like, that's our way of life"

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447. "undercut by the S.O.T.H. murdering people in the streets..."
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>Mereen has been pretty weak but i was thoroughly satisfied
>with this one
>
>Tyrion talking about how the economy is strong lol
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443. "i really liked the negotiation with Yara and Theon"
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and talking to the Masters...etc.

One minor nitpick, i hated how Dany rolled up all close to the one ship then said "Drakaris"...seemed silly as hell and mad dangerous. Why weren't they just flying over and burning all the ships as they passed them?

But yeah overall that sequence was dope. Glad the other dragons broke out and joined the fight too.

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446. "I wonder if the anti-Tyrion plays will hurt him in the future."
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He might not be the asset that he claims to be if all of the people think he killed Joffrey. (Although, you'd also think the play would help Cersei since the people seemed to be moved by her final speech in the play.)

If Dany has to sacrifice him to appease the people, even if he isn't guilty, I wouldn't be completely stunned. Or maybe Jon Snow helps him after they kind of bonded at The Wall.

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449. "the people seem pretty fickle..."
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if they get behind Dany i don't think Tyrion will be a liablility. I mean Joffrey had Jaime the King Slayer as the head of his King's Guard.

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452. "Right. In the show you see the winner write history. Killing Jeffrey"
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will be a good thing if Dany wins the day.


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466. "yup and there will be a new play showing Tyrion as a hero lol"
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484. "didn't the people hate Joffrey?"
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i remember someone throwing shit at his face

  

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453. "I will not have you foks Nitpick an excellent episode!!!"
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That battle was the greatest battle I've ever seen in a movie or tv. I've never seen a battle in a movie or TV that shows the actually strategy that you read about folks like Hannibal or classical era military leaders executed.

And the 360 of Jon Snow fighting in the pitch of the battle!?!?!?

Too dope to nitpick.

They even have a good explanation why no Direwolf.

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454. "yeah, i liked that that they pulled stuff from real battles to put in th..."
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...the carnage and mayhem of it all was excellently done

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459. "Why is it &quot;nitpicking&quot;? "
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Being good or even great doesn't mean it's without flaw.

God forbid people present a little critical discourse, even if they thoroughly enjoyed it.

  

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461. "I call it nitpicking because I don't think the changes you suggested"
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would have improved the episode. Granted I do agree it should have come up that Sansa had a gang of knights waiting in the cut.


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463. "That doesn't make any sense at all."
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Disliking my suggested changes has nothing to do with whether or not my critique had any merit.

The critique and the suggested changes are two completely different things.

Further, my suggestion for the Jon/Sansa scene makes perfect sense and would have improved things significantly because it closes glaring logical holes.

I don't see how anyone could argue that Wun Wun was well utilized.

Basically you're just a mark for the show and seem content to shut off your brain and ride with whatever they do.

Cool. People with an objective opinion on it aren't nitpicking though. We simply didn't allow our fandom to override our critical thinking skills.

  

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464. "PTP sopranos threads back in the day were insufferable bc of this"
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>Basically you're just a mark for the show and seem content to
>shut off your brain and ride with whatever they do.
>
>Cool. People with an objective opinion on it aren't nitpicking
>though. We simply didn't allow our fandom to override our
>critical thinking skills.

  

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468. "Every fan theory for Arya was vastly better than what we got"
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BG thought they were all corny and enjoyed what we got....

..... which was something that was heavily criticized.

I get being a homer. It's all good. It's just ridiculous when the homers start calling critical thought "nitpicking".

This dude thinks Ramsay is a superior ball player because his manager gave him third base and his team pitched away at one armed batters with sticks.

People can still love the whole of something, enjoy it, and still notice elements that fell short.

  

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469. "I am in the tank though I agreed with alot of what you were saying. "
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Most of the fan theories about Arya were bad.

The best theory is kinda sort ultimately what happened. Arya lead the Waif into a trap. I think it could have been tweaked (The stabbing less severe, make clear she was trying to draw the waif out into the open), but I mostly agree that it didn't work as well as it could.

I also think having the Knights of the Vale come in late as a surprised was tired and non-sensical that Sansa would not tell John about that.

So yeah there were problems with the episode, but the idea that there needed to be more said between Jon and Sansa is just wrong. The scene you described doesn't help the story or is needed. You will find no one who thinks your additions would make the story better.

That's all dude. Don't dismiss rejection of your silly ideas as being too in love with the show to see the shows flaws. Consider that your opinion isn't the gospel.



>BG thought they were all corny and enjoyed what we got....
>
>..... which was something that was heavily criticized.
>
>I get being a homer. It's all good. It's just ridiculous when
>the homers start calling critical thought "nitpicking".
>
>This dude thinks Ramsay is a superior ball player because his
>manager gave him third base and his team pitched away at one
>armed batters with sticks.
>
>People can still love the whole of something, enjoy it, and
>still notice elements that fell short.


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470. "Every fan theory for Arya was vastly better than what we got"
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>Most of the fan theories about Arya were bad.

Not at all. They were all better than the bullshit we got.

>The best theory is kinda sort ultimately what happened. Arya
>lead the Waif into a trap.

No she didn't.

Did she plan on getting stabbed in the stomach, surviving, getting treated by the actress, being able to outrun the waif with a wound that is nearly always fatal, all the way to her room where she could have a blind fight?

That's just awful writing.
Lazy writing.
Unimaginative writing.

All of the fan theories were more creative and just plain better than that.

Arya got ridiculously lucky again and again before she managed to score her kill. She didn't lead her into any trap until she'd already gotten incredibly lucky time and again.

>So yeah there were problems with the episode, but the idea
>that there needed to be more said between Jon and Sansa is
>just wrong.

Not more. Different. And it's not wrong. That scene was wrong and needed something different.

>The scene you described doesn't help the story or
>is needed. You will find no one who thinks your additions
>would make the story better.

My change was infitely better, but even in my post, I wasn't beholden to that exact idea. It was a spitball that was still better and made more sense than what we got in that scene and makes Jon look like a decent leader as opposed to the relatively clueless, emotional guy we saw in that scene.

Further, while I don't need to seek out validation from others to feel comfortable with my own opinions (imagine that), I'm not alone in my criticism. Whether you like my alternative suggestion or not is irrelevant to the issues the show had.

>That's all dude. Don't dismiss rejection of your silly ideas
>as being too in love with the show to see the shows flaws.

lol@"silly" ideas. Those are good ideas. Every last one of them. Of course, as I said in the post itself, I'm not saying those had to be the alternative, but they were just suggestions.

Of course, you enjoyed watching the T-1000 chase Arya.

You think Ramsay is a great tactician by virtue of having a clear upper hand in every situation.

Those are pretty silly things, far sillier and more tone deaf than any idea I've presented.

>Consider that your opinion isn't the gospel.

Consider that your opinion isn't gospel when you call it "nitpicking" to point out clear and obvious flaws to anyone who isn't just marking out for the show.

You said I was nitpicking because you didn't like my alternative suggestions, which has nothing to do with my critique of the flaw itself. Those were two entirely different things.

  

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471. "K dude. Keep writing a better version of GoT in your head. "
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Only way to ensure audience and creator are perfectly aligned.


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473. "Keep pretending that was the context of my post. "
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Keep pretending the critique of a flaw and a spitball suggestion for improving that flaw are the same thing.

Keep pretending that I insisted my ideas are the only possible ideas that would improve upon the show or 5hay they weren't simple footballing.

Keep pretending the show always nails every scene all the time and should not be called into question.

Keep pretending that the audience cant still enjoy and appreciate the whole while also noticing shortcomings.

Keep being a mindless mark for the show while dismissing creative speculation and suggestion in response to moments of mediocrity.

  

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455. "What exactly was Tyrion's suggestion on how to handle the Masters?"
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Seems to play out the way Dany described she would do it before his advice.


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456. "Dany wanted to go all scorched earth on the masters *and* their people"
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Can't wanted to reduce everything to ashes. That's why Tyrion brought up the Mad King.

They ultimately reacted In a far more calculated way and left one master alive to spread the word of what went down, particularly that he was allowed to live because Dany showed him mercy.

  

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And they kept some of the ships too.


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465. "any episode with the giants and I'm there"
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where was brienne though?

and Wun Wun was the last of the breed? ain't no wildling lady willing to take one for the team and procreate?

  

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467. "She's still paddling up river from the South"
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North of the wall is a massive place so it seems odd to assume there are absolutely no Giants remaining...but Wun Wun was the last one remaining from Mance's army

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474. "everyone seems to get where they need to go pretty quickly"
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if Yara/Theon could make it to Mereen in 1 episode then Brienne could make it to Winterfell

  

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475. "maybe she'll run into gendry nm"
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476. "You're not wrong..."
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but this episode was going to be all Jon and Dany. Sticking Brienne in there somewhere wouldn't have fit narratively.

  

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483. "true...but she very easily could've been background noise "
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like tormund and davos. or more appropriately have escorted sansa to go find littlefinger. but not a big deal ether way.

>but this episode was going to be all Jon and Dany. Sticking
>Brienne in there somewhere wouldn't have fit narratively.

  

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478. "they still appeared after the Masters were defeated..."
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my guess is Brienne will do the same

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472. "I was wondering if there were more Giants too. "
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480. "The homey wallysmith made an excellent point in the Readers Post"
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Which I think is worth discussing here because it is pretty spoiler free.

"... this is the first time (I think) that a villain got his "just deserts". Joffrey wasn't killed by Stark hands and Tywin died ignominiously on the shitter.

It was theatric and poetic and... it didn't feel right. It wasn't ASOIAF writing, it was Game of Thrones Hollywood-style writing.

Although I've been overall very positive on the season, more and more I've felt it's because D&D are leaning on bringing back written elements into the show. And the big reveal with Hodor was great, but that was also predetermined. When the blanks are largely filled in from the showrunners then the writing becomes trite and cliched.

It's understandable given their time and budget constraints, but what's maybe more disappointing is missing the opportunity to at least attempt to write like Martin. They can obviously write great dialogue, as evidenced in the many scenes involving non-POV characters like Margaery, Varys, Littlefinger, Olenna Tyrell, etc. But when it comes to payoffs it's becoming painfully obvious they go with the path of least resistance.

Rickon, Wun Wun and especially Ramsay were all Hollywood-esque in how they went out. There was no sense of subtlety or lingering in the moment, it was all exclamation points and "fuck yeah!" writing. I mean, I get it, but more and more I'm starting to not like it."


Excellent point. I am not a book reader but I think the most captivating thing about the series to date was how GMM would always take our expectations, crumble them into a ball and toss them in the garbage...then give us something completely unexpected that blows our wig back.

That has not happened this season. I attributed the straight forwardness of the season so far to the fact that now that all the characters and settings have been set up, now the ball has been set in motion and moving at break neck speed towards a conclusion.

But maybe the truth is the story is missing the unknown that has made the story to begin with sooo unique.



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482. "as a book reader, i had NO problem with it"
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.....at SOME point, either the Starks have to start winning or be wiped out.... whether ASOIAF is the story of the Starks ultimately winning or losing remains to be seen.... the show has it's own way of telling the story, which i can appreciate, even if i like GRRM's version more.... All that said, it actually makes Ramsay's death MORE significant because it happens in world where the good guys don't always win.... it also reminds me, that like Tywin dying from Tyrion, and the plot that killed Joffery, they all died from situations they helped create....

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489. "To clarify though... "
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Note that my concern isn't with the direction of the story, it's how these pivotal scenes are being portrayed. Of course the Starks need to win sometime, that's great, I'm rooting for that too.

I don't have issues with Rickon, Wun Wun and Ramsay dying; each of them made narrative sense and elicited myriad emotional responses from the viewer. My issue was with *how* they died. Right through the heart, then right through the eye, then by his own hounds. Fist pump Hollywood writing, all of them.

There's a reddit thread I linked early in the other post that compared written deaths (subtle setups ending with victory subverted) vs show deaths (direct setups with obvious emotional cues). I've viewed every subsequent death this season through that lens and it's been pretty spot on every time.

There's been a trend of easily digestible writing this season and last when it comes to payoffs and it's disappointing. The show was built on intrigue and layers of complexity that required captions and maps and fictional historical text to fully digest and comprehend. But now we're seeing Occam's Razor more and more.

Raise your hand if you wanted to see how Arya's peculiar behavior and inconsistent hairstyle would lead to her defeating Waif.

Now raise your hand if you were wondering when Littlefinger was going to show up to save Jon. Not if he would show up, but *when* he would show up.

We used to discuss where we thought the various players were going, if they were in danger, where they'll end up next.

Now we're being handheld from one set piece after another. It's telling that the next two seasons will be shorter; this is unfortunately the bed that Martin made, and we all now have to lay in it.


  

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492. "You know you ruined that last episode for me right? "
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Like Arya Killing Walder Frey with nooo set up of how she got in the place and killed whoever was in the pie was subsitituted with that statisfying straight-forward satisfying kill straight from the avengers franchise (if they kill people in the avengers, I haven't finished a movie yet).




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501. "it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't thing though"
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the show was destined to ultimately disappoint book fans from jump....them following Martin's detailed instructions obviously helped the show..... since i knew what's happening now was coming, with the writing style changing through the hands of people less intricate and having to put out a product faster, i'm good

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485. "i feel the opposite. i think that's what makes it so tense and rewarding"
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because we've experienced so much anti-fairy tale/"life ain't fair" moments in previous seasons, not only does it make these payoffs sweeter, but also, I believed Jon Snow could absolutely get trampled to death. even after they gave him back to us.. or that Ramsay would win, or Aria would die. We're just not used to things working out. We're like abused dogs that are being petted for the first time.

  

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504. "yup...that's where i'm at with it"
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if they continued to give us these "thought you had a friend" moment we'd be so defeated by now...we've already been conditioned to expect the unexpected...it's time to give us some Ws now.

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487. "My sentiments exactly "
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490. "I'm usually on board with wally but I disagree, Good writing is good wri..."
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Bad writing is bad writing.

The issue isn't that they went away from GRRM-isms and toward Hollywood tropes, it's that their chosen path in getting to those Hollywood moments isn't very good.

As wally says:

When the blanks are largely filled in from the showrunners then the writing becomes trite and cliched.

They still could have given us that final scene with Arya without an incredibly boring chase scene with a Terminator. They could have given us that Hollywood moment with something more creative and substantial leading up to it but they didn't, and that's the biggest issue here.

I think the show could actually use the Hollywood payoffs at this point because GRRM, in my opinion, took things a little too far in the other direction and as far as the show goes five seasons of watching the Stark children getting their collective ass kicked while evil reigns supreme got a little exhausting.

If there were more balance to the show and more victories for the Starks in particular, there wouldn't be a need for so many rushed, overly Hollywood payoffs now.

  

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486. "Is it possible Cersei had Jaime kill Mad King and made up wildfire story..."
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I'm not fully sharp on the details of that history to know whether or not this is impossible...but it's something that popped in my head a few weeks ago when Jaime said pleasing Cersei is all that matters to him, he doesn't give two shits whether every person in a city were to die...or something to that effect. Would he really put his own neck and rep on the line to protect random common folk, or would he only do something like that to please Cersei, who btw became Queen soon after.

  

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488. "no"
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491. "Great final episode. "
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The scoring of this episode really stood out. I felt like the music really played a bigger role in this episode than it usually does.

I can't believe the post show didn't discuss Jon Snow's birth. Absolutely huge moment that they just glossed over. Also, Benioff discussed how Arya killed Fray and is a murderer but didn't she also have to kill the girl to get her face? She's cold blooded at this point.

Diana Rigg shutting down the Sand Snakes was amazing. I got nervous when I saw them in the Previously On but that was a great scene. I do love how quickly Varys got back though to be on the ship.

When Daario said, "Fuck Mereen" I laughed. Felt like he was speaking for all the viewers at that point.

I was genuinely surprised they offed Margery. But that's a great little red herring; make it seem like she has some plot to undercut the Sparrow but then have Cersei literally blow it up.
I almost wondered if she wanted Tommen to kill himself. He failed her as King and she already knew he was fated to die. She just didn't seem that broken up by his death.

Jamie's face seeing her on the throne is great. The Sansa/Littlefinger look was a little harder to decipher. I do love that she blew him off and it would be a HUGE disappointment if she somehow lets herself get played by him.

Just a great episode. The best finale and one of the best eps of the series.

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494. "All of the pieces are set. Act 3 is under way."
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Next season, we'll get Lannisters vs. everyone.

Season after, we'll get everyone left vs. the Night King.

Immensely satisfying and all earned.

I think that Littlefinger beat likely has to do with the "fact" (is it a fact? I think it's just widely believed) that Littlefinger knows Jon isn't Ned's kid. Bran returning home would fuck shit up even further in regards to Jon ruling the North...

... but again, there's only so much time left in the show. I can't imagine that they'll draw out too many of these possible side plotlines. End game is a go.

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497. "Jon as "King of the North" isn't necessarily bad for LF"
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Much like Robb, Jon doesn't have any desire to sit on the Iron Throne. He doesn't even really desire to be the King of the North. Even though he (unknowingly) has the most legit claim of anyone to the Throne, Littlefinger doesn't know that either. So it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for Jon to help beat the Lannisters and let Littlefinger have the Iron Throne, with or without Sansa at his side, while Jon concerns himself with what North of the Wall. LF wouldn't have to stab Jon in the back.


>The scoring of this episode really stood out. I felt like the
>music really played a bigger role in this episode than it
>usually does.

Lots of people have said this. It was pretty solid indeed.

>Diana Rigg shutting down the Sand Snakes was amazing. I got
>nervous when I saw them in the Previously On but that was a
>great scene. I do love how quickly Varys got back though to be
>on the ship.

That was great. Probably the best scene involving anything in Dorne.

>I almost wondered if she wanted Tommen to kill himself. He
>failed her as King and she already knew he was fated to die.
>She just didn't seem that broken up by his death.

Eh, I seriously doubt it. Her love for her children is what's driven her to become such a monster. As for the reaction, I could see it as her being numb to achieving her greatest victory, followed by experiencing another great tragedy.

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505. "At this point she just knew the prophecy was true..."
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and that all her children would die so she was sad but she knew it was inevitable. That's why she her most distraught when Joffrey died. He was the first to go but also the first to make her realize that the old witch was right.

>I almost wondered if she wanted Tommen to kill himself. He
>failed her as King and she already knew he was fated to die.
>She just didn't seem that broken up by his death.
>
>Jamie's face seeing her on the throne is great.

Musta been how Ned looked when he rolled up after Robert's Rebellion and found Jamie sitting on the Throne.

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495. "THAT EPISODE WAS DYLAN DYLAN SPIT HOT (WILD) FIYA!!"
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496. "For all the talk of the books and GRRM writes better stuff"
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Well we need to give the show and its writers their props because GRRM couldn't have and hasn't written anything better than this episode. This episode was great and sets the stage for the conclusion of this series far before any book will be written.

Everyone is quick to point out when the show doesn't live up to the books but they don't want to admit when the show far exceeds the books.

  

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498. "Yeah, let's not get carried away now"
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The show, without the books, can very good, but it's almost always very conventional. This was extremely good conventional TV storytelling. Putting all that extra on it just seems silly.

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500. "GRRM hasn't written a book in 7+ years now, seems like he has epic "
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Writers block, written himself into a corner, or is enjoying his fame and fortune too much to continue his writing. Maybe it's one of those three, maybe it's all of them and maybe it's none but it's easy to shit on show writers who have an actual deadline to meet than GRRM.

Plus GRRM will get the benefit of hindsight to see what does and doesn't work on the show. He can abandon ideas that fall flat and take those that are applauded for his books and claim them all as his own, if he ever gets around to writing them.

The GRRM and the books have clearly bogged down in the muck of Mereen and the show will help GRRM get out of the mud.

  

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502. "It wouldn't take 7+ to write the story being told now on the show"
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This is pretty much knocking down the dominos that GRMM set up. I have always thought of the pause in his writing was GRMM considering setting up more dominos before actually setting them in motion.



>Writers block, written himself into a corner, or is enjoying
>his fame and fortune too much to continue his writing. Maybe
>it's one of those three, maybe it's all of them and maybe it's
>none but it's easy to shit on show writers who have an actual
>deadline to meet than GRRM.
>
>Plus GRRM will get the benefit of hindsight to see what does
>and doesn't work on the show. He can abandon ideas that fall
>flat and take those that are applauded for his books and claim
>them all as his own, if he ever gets around to writing them.
>
>The GRRM and the books have clearly bogged down in the muck of
>Mereen and the show will help GRRM get out of the mud.
>
>


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522. "RE: GRRM hasn't written a book in 7+ years now, seems like he has epic "
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>Plus GRRM will get the benefit of hindsight to see what does
>and doesn't work on the show. He can abandon ideas that fall
>flat and take those that are applauded for his books and claim
>them all as his own, if he ever gets around to writing them.
>
>The GRRM and the books have clearly bogged down in the muck of
>Mereen and the show will help GRRM get out of the mud.

the thought of GRMM changing and editing the books on the fly and the show is airing is a very scary proposition. I have to think the books will differ from the show since GRMM investing a ton of time, energy, and pages into Dorne and the show pretty much ignored Dornes for the most part. I have to think GRRM will have to write more about Dorne in the future book(s).

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503. "i was a little underwhelmed myself"
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.... Cersei committing regicide and kinslaying was the most surprising thing...then afterward it made perfect sense....

nothing else really surprised me... I guessed jon's identity since the beginning ....oh, the Arya this was nice... The Starks are not to be messed with

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507. "she didn't kill the King...he killed himself"
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she didn't see that coming, she just moved passed it and kept it moving

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508. "Margaery was still the queen, and Cersei killed Uncle Kev and Cousin Lan..."
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510. "ah i read kinslaying as KINGslaying...my bad"
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514. "she DID see it coming. she just didn't REALLY care..."
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which is why she wasn't that upset and kept it moving.

remember, it was foretold that all of her children would die.

this was all to illustrate the savagery of Cersei (which Lady Olenna alluded to when she said she was the most vile person she's ever known). she was okay with "burning it all down" (which Tyrion warned Dany about so there's some foreshadowing there) and casting the die for the death of Tommen because taking out her enemies and sitting on the throne was more important to her.

  

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558. "yes to ALL of this....."
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>which is why she wasn't that upset and kept it moving.
>
>remember, it was foretold that all of her children would die.
>
>
>this was all to illustrate the savagery of Cersei (which Lady
>Olenna alluded to when she said she was the most vile person
>she's ever known). she was okay with "burning it all down"
>(which Tyrion warned Dany about so there's some foreshadowing
>there) and casting the die for the death of Tommen because
>taking out her enemies and sitting on the throne was more
>important to her.


i think the show has done a fantastic job of slowly showing how crazy Cersei is....Season by season she gets worse....she doesn't care that the entire world now hates her.... I'm just wondering how long jaimie is gonna ride for "their love"

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506. "i think the show has gotten better since it moved passed the books"
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not better than the books but better as a show. it's been given more freedom to give us these great episodes. this season is by far the best season of the show IMO.

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499. "Fantastic ep. Perhaps the most satisfying finale and best ep i can recal..."
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The one element that seemed off kilter was the bit with Arya and Frey but even that was dope.

  

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513. "She said she was coming for that ass for the past 3 seasons"
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All the people on her list are dead or will be. This is inevitable.

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520. "Killing Frey wasn't what was off kilter for me"
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The scene in context of the rest of the ep just came out of nowhere.

I was rocking my son to sleep and was typing on my phone so I wasn't really able to expound on my thoughts. The scene itself was dope, just a little out of place with the rest of the ep because it was so out of the blue.

Before Buddy has a conniption because I'm "nitpicking", it's not a big deal, it didn't ruin anything, the episode was marvelous, the scene itself was dope, it didn't bring the quality of the ep down, yada yada yada. The ep was fantastic.

It was just a small thing that felt slightly out of place for *me* and isn't a big deal.

  

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533. "I agree with you on this. Mentioned it above. "
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Just didn't see any of the work that it took to get her in that position to do that thing we've all been waiting to see.


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538. "I liked the fact that it was out of the blue"
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besides, we didn't need to see the work put in for Ol' Frey's weak ass. That nigga was a fucking lame, as Jamie pointed out before he got murked.

What work was necessary? Them niggas couldn't even build a fucking trench when trying to take back the castle that was given to them. She probably just strolled in there and went to work.

  

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509. "That was a cersei way to avoid a trial...."
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Just. Like. That. And the beautiful young queen in the prophecy is Dany, not Margaery.

Jon looking real Robb Stark in that scene. Lady Mormont brought it in that scene, but Jon was a dead man walking. And that wilding thing. Playing it up after the reveal was nice too.. He has stark blood, just not ole honorable ned's. Those dudes just pledged their allegiance to Rhaegar's son. LOL


My one nitpick with this season. This show has spent seasons getting character across the field. Now in this season characters are teleporting all over the place. Arya. Varys. Greyjoys. Sandsnakes.

The library was cool too. NO WOMEN, NO CHILDREN!



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512. "so, somewhere in those stacks sam is going to discover"
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jon's heritage, no? like rhaegar told aemon and aemon buried it among the archives, so that eventually the truth might come to light. just trying to figure out how else they verify it, except through bran's flashbacks.

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516. "Jon had a direwolf, which means he is also a Warg"
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I wouldn't be surprised to see that enter the storyline.

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523. "I still don't get the gripes about "teleporting". "
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>My one nitpick with this season. This show has spent seasons
>getting character across the field. Now in this season
>characters are teleporting all over the place. Arya. Varys.
>Greyjoys. Sandsnakes.

I think there's an assumption that every storyline takes place at the exact same time as everything else, but I've always assumed otherwise. We watch them play out from one scene to the next and so it seems like everything is happening at once, but with so many individual storylines I've always assumed that everyone's story doesn't necessarily occur at the same time as everyone else in a given ep.

  

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524. "Agreed. It's not like they're showing the dates."
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The ship's sailing for Cersei with Varys onboard could be *well* after his meeting with Lady Tyrell and the Dornish. I never once have had a problem with that.

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526. "It's a nitpick..."
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>>My one nitpick with this season. This show has spent
>seasons
>>getting character across the field. Now in this season
>>characters are teleporting all over the place. Arya. Varys.
>
>>Greyjoys. Sandsnakes.
>
>I think there's an assumption that every storyline takes place
>at the exact same time as everything else, but I've always
>assumed otherwise. We watch them play out from one scene to
>the next and so it seems like everything is happening at once,
>but with so many individual storylines I've always assumed
>that everyone's story doesn't necessarily occur at the same
>time as everyone else in a given ep.

But this show has dragged out people getting to various destinations, and suddenly people are in different parts of the world from scene to scene. Either the journey is important or not.


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528. "Surely every journey isn't important rnough to warrant exposition"
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>But this show has dragged out people getting to various
>destinations, and suddenly people are in different parts of
>the world from scene to scene. Either the journey is
>important or not.

Well, some journeys are. Other times? A boat ride is a boat ride. A trip is a trip.

Every journey doesn't warrant exposition, particularly this late in the series.

  

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560. "right..."
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Arya leaving Westeros is more interesting to see than her coming back....

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539. "they set a dangerous precedent with the teleportation"
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Because by that context, there is no reason why Daenerys & Co. shouldn't be in Westeros by episode 2 at the latest next season.

  

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544. "absolutely. "
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>Because by that context, there is no reason why Daenerys &
>Co. shouldn't be in Westeros by episode 2 at the latest next
>season.

  

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572. "I don't think so. They're on a boat"
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There's not much to say about them being on a boat, and not much for them to do until they get off those boats. Unless the Iron Islands come for a sea battle which I don't think HBO would be willing to pay for, or this show is interested in dedicating their big budget episode towards.


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576. "Or..."
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... they have a lot of things to show us before Dany and Company land, in which case their arrival will wait until the narrative requires.

It's not a "dangerous precedent" as if because they show us one image without a clear window of time between scenes that now all scenes must skip passages of times similarly. That's not, nor has it ever been, how the show operates. They've skipped passages of time to get to the scenes of narrative importance plenty of times.

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594. "High Sparrow was playing chess, Cersei playing global thermonuclear war"
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he was arrogant and thought he had checkmated her and that the game was already over, but he had no conception of what a monster he was dealing with. Margaery knew exactly what Cersei was capable of though, just came a little too late.


>Just. Like. That. And the beautiful young queen in the
>prophecy is Dany, not Margaery.

ah, hadn't thought of that, nice pick-up.


>Jon looking real Robb Stark in that scene. Lady Mormont
>brought it in that scene, but Jon was a dead man walking.

well Jon literally is a dead man walking - lol. but yeah Lady Mormont is great, that girl's got gumption.


>My one nitpick with this season. This show has spent seasons
>getting character across the field. Now in this season
>characters are teleporting all over the place. Arya. Varys.
>Greyjoys. Sandsnakes.

eh, we don't really know the timeframes of their travels. Like to us Arya just left Braavos the other week, but for all we know it was months ago wrt the timeframe of the show. we usually assume things are progressing in the show in parallel timeframes but we don't really know that.


>The library was cool too. NO WOMEN, NO CHILDREN!

ha yeah the librarian scene was funny. Was also really cool that the astrolabe from the opening credits was shown hanging from the ceiling in the library hall.

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515. "Bran can see into the future as well?"
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During the scenes when he was 'downloading' all the the visions from the tree around the time he was running away from the Night King, I'm pretty sure one of the visions was of the Dragonfire exploding from last night's episode. The vision of the Dragonfire exploding underground was shown about two or three times during the 'downloading' scene in question. If I'm not mistaken, Jaime stopped The Mad King from actually blowing folks up, so I don't think Bran was looking into the past to see that vision.


**edit**

Also, given that Arya murked all the male Freys, who controls Riverrun at this point?

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518. "oh shit...didn't even think of this"
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makes sense to me

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517. "Great ep. Little disappointed Jon sent away the red witch"
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Curious what the implications end up being with that decision. It was obviously the Jon Snow thing to do but she did, ya know, bring him back to life.

agree with the sand snake point above, rolled my eyes when I saw them on "previously on" but that was one of the best scenes of the night.

With Jon's heritage a fact to the viewers now the big question is how he himself ends up finding out. Still hoping he finds out on his own in Winterfell

What's the Lannisters army looking like right now? Do they have a shot? We know she has the frankenmountain, but is the king's (queens) guard enormous? Clegane Bowl seems like a foregone conclusion right now...

Arya scene may have been my fave... when they showed Frey I looking at the clock and complaining that we hadn't seen Arya yet, I did not see that coming at all personally, I thought Jamie had that waitress set to take Frey out there

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519. "I think this is why he let her live"
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>Curious what the implications end up being with that
>decision. It was obviously the Jon Snow thing to do but she
>did, ya know, bring him back to life.

Otherwise he woulda chopped her head off or hung her

>What's the Lannisters army looking like right now? Do they
>have a shot? We know she has the frankenmountain, but is the
>king's (queens) guard enormous? Clegane Bowl seems like a
>foregone conclusion right now...

They seemed pretty formidable at River Run...they still have a ton of troops at Jamie's command. The question is will he ride with her or not.

>Arya scene may have been my fave... when they showed Frey I
>looking at the clock and complaining that we hadn't seen Arya
>yet, I did not see that coming at all personally, I thought
>Jamie had that waitress set to take Frey out there

Same here...while she was talking and revealed that the sons were in the pie I was still wondering who da hell she was...I thought the Lannisters were going to ride up in there to reveal that they slaughtered everyone.


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529. "Yup. Same here. Completely unexpected"
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i figured Jamie used the waitress because she was digging him. This is way better especially since it was soon after Jamie broke it down to Walder him like "The Frey's ain't shit, dude"

>Same here...while she was talking and revealed that the sons
>were in the pie I was still wondering who da hell she was...I
>thought the Lannisters were going to ride up in there to
>reveal that they slaughtered everyone.
>
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530. "the great thing about the way him and Ramsay died is the realization"
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that yes, they had victories, but their place in history ain't shit and that nobody respected them... Sansa and especially Jamie let them know loud & clear

Jamie may be the most fascinating character at this point... even though we got to see his old cocky, selfish personality when shitting on Edmure Tulley... his motivations are still tough to see based on him letting Brienne go and his look at Cersei at the end... he's on my short list of characters I'm truly curious to know how it wraps up for

  

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531. "RE: Yup. Same here. Completely unexpected"
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> This is way better especially since it was soon after
>Jamie broke it down to Walder him like "The Frey's ain't shit,
>dude"

As Jaime was going through that scene, I thought that was a bad idea since it didn't serve him any favors to potentially make the Frey's potential enemies with his slick talk. They may not be warriors, but the Freys at that point still had leverage since they control the bridge or method of transportation in the area.


I seriously wonder what in the world happens as result of Arya's action there. Both River Run and the bridge/whatever contraption the Frey's controlled themselves are totally up in the air.

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521. "Yeah, Cersei's reign is gonna be short like leprechauns (c) Biggie"
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Forgetting the fact that every time she's had power she's made the absolute worst decisions...

You've got two houses that openly declared war, the North is a foregone conclusion... and we aren't even factoring in Dany. I wonder how the plotting will go so that way there's at least some kind of fight.

  

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532. "her vs Tyrion is very interesting at this point"
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how they cross paths, how she finds out he's "hand of the queen" how he finds out she's queen, how Jamie is involved,etc


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546. "they have the wildfire that will inevitably be launched at Dany's ships"
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and those little kids will probably be sent on strike missions in and around kings landing.

>What's the Lannisters army looking like right now? Do they
>have a shot? We know she has the frankenmountain, but is the
>king's (queens) guard enormous? Clegane Bowl seems like a
>foregone conclusion right now...

  

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563. "uh..didn't they just burn up all that wildfire?"
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tyrion had the maesters make a bunch for the battle of the blackwater, but that's because he knew war was coming.

cersei just blew up the remaining stores. i think she'll bask a little too much in her queenly glory to start thinking about getting the maesters to make more.

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564. "i don't think anybody knows how to make more"
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that was just leftover from the Mad King's cache

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575. "From what I understand..."
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not all of it is burnt.

And gumz is right, the ability to make it was lost with pyromancers some time ago.

  

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583. "no, the alchemists are still around and can make it"
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still not sure how much cersei used, though.

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525. "Great episode...will watch again"
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Using kids to do your dirty work is some bitch level shit. Felt like a Children of the Corn episode, lol. I hope they offered more than candy for murders.

Jaime has to feel some type of way about Cersei. He killed the Mad King to prevent him from killing innocents with wildfire just to see his sister do it. Gotta her Denny Green 'she was who you thought she was' in his ear.

Lady Mormont pulled cards didn't she? When you have a child say you ain't shit , you gotta rethink your life. I'd like to see a celebrity death match between Lady Mormont and Lady Olenna.

I wish they would've shown the Hound.

The look on Littlefinger's face when they pledged allegiance to Jon Snow was hilarious. That so didn't go the way he expected. He didn't get any credit for saving the day. Is there anyone who could 'legitimize' Jon as a Stark?

  

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527. "this:"
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>Jaime has to feel some type of way about Cersei. He killed
>the Mad King to prevent him from killing innocents with
>wildfire just to see his sister do it. Gotta her Denny Green
>'she was who you thought she was' in his ear.

i think he's definitely gonna turn on her. it's not just killing innocents with wildfire. her meddling and conniving has now caused ALL of their children to die. he GOTTA feel some way about that. Brienne just out there waiting for him, BTW.

  

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He'll be adding "Queenslayer" to his resume soon enough.

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565. "i think at this point he'll be legitimized under another family name"
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>Is there anyone who could 'legitimize' Jon as a Stark?

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577. "Yeah, I thought about that "
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But someone may contest him being King of the North Since he's not a 'true' Stark. All everyone knows at this point is that he's a Snow Stark. I'm trying to think back on whether it matters if he's a Snow but can't remember. I'll google at some point.

  

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535. "I think I am going to miss the moral ambiguity of the earlier episodes"
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The show was very interesting when we didn't know who to root for (because they were either prematurely killed off or because they were on the wrong team).

It was fun when you had to decide whether you were team Starks or team Lannister or team Baratheon or Tyrell.

Last Night they wiped out a lot of the morally ambiguous characters who you had to wonder how their story fit into the larger picture (Margery, Tommen, The Sparrow, Pycelle).

Now they have neatly set it up with clear good guys versus the bad guys. A villain literally dressed in black.


And if the final season is White Walkers versus a united kingdom under Jon and Dany, by then you will have a very conventional lord of the rings type story.

idk, maybe there are more surprises in store....it'll be a shame if there aren't.


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536. "You're right. All moral ambiguity is gone."
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Lord knows this episode didn't feature Jamie Lannister debating whether he's with or against his crazy-ass sister.

Or Arya, a "good guy," literally slicing up and cooking a bunch of people before slitting an old man's throat and smiling while doing it.

Or Sansa, eyeballing Littlefinger, potentially considering a power play against her own brother.

*end sarcasm*

There's plenty of moral ambiguity left... but the show only has like, what, a dozen more episodes left? It has to reach a conclusion one way or another.

Furthermore, you act like a conclusion of Jon and Dany vs. the White Walkers isn't the story's *natural* conclusion. Just because it's the natural conclusion doesn't mean it's a bad one, or even that it's terribly conventional. No one at the beginning of the story saw that ending coming-- it's just become apparent over time how it needs to end. The Hero's Journeys come to fruition.

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don't think she is.

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Ambiguously open, you might say.

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566. "lmao"
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>Ambiguously open, you might say.

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541. "I hope she realizes that mofo is a Pimp! "
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He lovingly told her to her face that it was his dream that HE would sit on the iron throne..."with you beside me of course". LMAO!




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555. "RE: I hope she realizes that mofo is a Pimp! "
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>
>
people know pimps are pimps, but they still fall for that pimping

  

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542. "nobody feels torn about Arya serving up House Frey"
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We all root for the kills in revenge flicks.

Littlefinger is clearly a villain at this point and I am sure he is going to get his. I can't see Sansa betraying her brother.

I think Jamie might be the last torn character, we can see him doing some sort of self-sacrifice at the end.

I am not necessarily saying they are doing the show wrong or not headed in the natural conclusion of the show.

I am just noting that now all the dominos are set up and we can see where this is headed the thrill of the uncertainty in the earlier episodes will be missed.

It might have been inevitable. Story has to end some time. I am surprised that it just seems to be wrapping up in a pretty conventional good guys versus bad guys set up.

I could be wrong though, maybe they will throw us for a few more loops.



>Lord knows this episode didn't feature Jamie Lannister
>debating whether he's with or against his crazy-ass sister.
>
>Or Arya, a "good guy," literally slicing up and cooking a
>bunch of people before slitting an old man's throat and
>smiling while doing it.
>
>Or Sansa, eyeballing Littlefinger, potentially considering a
>power play against her own brother.
>
>*end sarcasm*
>
>There's plenty of moral ambiguity left... but the show only
>has like, what, a dozen more episodes left? It has to reach a
>conclusion one way or another.
>
>Furthermore, you act like a conclusion of Jon and Dany vs. the
>White Walkers isn't the story's *natural* conclusion. Just
>because it's the natural conclusion doesn't mean it's a bad
>one, or even that it's terribly conventional. No one at the
>beginning of the story saw that ending coming-- it's just
>become apparent over time how it needs to end. The Hero's
>Journeys come to fruition.


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543. "True. But we probably should, lol"
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In the afterwards the showrunners mentioned we should be worried about her psyche.

A kid tabbed an old man to death while smiling...right after she butchered and cooked up his two sons for him to eat.

Don't get me wrong, I was cheering like a motherfucker, but I cheer at fucked up shit sometimes.

And while I too complained about the show unfortunately becoming more predictable as it goes on, there were enough twists and turns (the above mentioned killing, Tommen's suicide, etc) this episode. While we know there's gonna be some set happily ever afters (jon killing night king, Targaryn's back on the throne) we can still zig zag on our way there...gotta figure the only characters who are untouchable are Jon and Dany...you've got Sansa, Arya, Tyrion etc...who might get sacrificed to the cruel god of televised GRRM along the way to the final showdown for the throne/night's king.

  

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549. "I'll worry when she develops a thirst for innocent blood"
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She's driven to avenge the horrific atrocities committed against her family. The people she's going after more than deserve whatever she decides to do them.

I always felt like this sort of perspective on characters like Arya is incredibly short-sighted and completely ignores the context of her actions.

Oddly, it's that sort of flawed nobility that I absolutely loathe about Ned Stark. Sometimes the "honorable" thing that allows one to retain more of their "humanity" is an action- or inaction- that allows greater atrocities to be committed. Ned's own children suffered a great deal due to his steadfast adherence to what was "right", even if the "right" options were clearly going to cause significantly greater damage than the "wrong" thing.

Ned and Renley, particularly after Renley's alliance with the Tyrell's, would have been more than enough to squash the Lannisters. Obviously that would leave us with no book and no show, or at least a significantly muted and less compelling version of it, but still.

Arya's is perfectly just in her actions, particularly in such a brutal world where the weak are so easily and often trampled.

  

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551. "Justified in stabbing old dude, yup. That was extra though"
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Killing his sons, cooking them up and making him eat it...

That's an episode of Hannibal (RIP)

Again, I am for the cathartic release of it all considering in the Game Of Thrones the Starks have been down 49 to 0. Finally we are getting points on the board.

But arguably that was a bit different then when Jon almost beat homie to death or when Sansa gave him his just deserts with the dogs. Even though it was offscreen there was extra depravity involved which I think will play in the long game (because unlike other characters that learned to be ruthless on the fly, they literally sent her to killer school...along with the other atrocities shes faced)

  

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554. "Her methods are what they are "
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She could have gone all Ramsay on them for all I care as long as she doesn't take that level of gleeful malice to innocent people. I wouldn't worry about her psyche until she develops a recreational taste for such things.

  

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587. "that was history, repeating itself..."
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..just like the rest of this series lol.


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569. "I think that's where the story should head. She should off some innocent..."
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to complete her bloodthirst. That's seems like the right way to show the cost to her for her revenge...or they can kill her off.




>She's driven to avenge the horrific atrocities committed
>against her family. The people she's going after more than
>deserve whatever she decides to do them.
>
>I always felt like this sort of perspective on characters like
>Arya is incredibly short-sighted and completely ignores the
>context of her actions.
>
>Oddly, it's that sort of flawed nobility that I absolutely
>loathe about Ned Stark. Sometimes the "honorable" thing that
>allows one to retain more of their "humanity" is an action- or
>inaction- that allows greater atrocities to be committed.
>Ned's own children suffered a great deal due to his steadfast
>adherence to what was "right", even if the "right" options
>were clearly going to cause significantly greater damage than
>the "wrong" thing.
>
>Ned and Renley, particularly after Renley's alliance with the
>Tyrell's, would have been more than enough to squash the
>Lannisters. Obviously that would leave us with no book and no
>show, or at least a significantly muted and less compelling
>version of it, but still.
>
>Arya's is perfectly just in her actions, particularly in such
>a brutal world where the weak are so easily and often
>trampled.


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571. "That doesn't ring true to her character at all"
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556. "not torn in the least"
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i love the level of joyful brutality in her revenge

  

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559. "Well, as a John Wick kinda guy, so do I. "
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I'm sure there are many who feel some kind of way about a little girl cooking up human beings and serving them in a pie tho.

Same people who thought Sansa's smile at the end of the last episode was extra.

I obviously loved both. lol.

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545. "i think Sansa is gonna take LF up on that marriage offer..."
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then roast his ass and be Lady of the Vale and have all that plus the army that comes with it.

i think she was happy that Jon was KOTN but she peeped LF hatin' ass game so she realizes she needs to check his ass.

  

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547. "^ this"
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548. "I don't know that I trust her to out-manuever LF"
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Plus, bitch ass Robyn Arryn is still around.

  

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568. "Her evolution to being able to outsmart LF would be a great way to end"
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her story.

>Plus, bitch ass Robyn Arryn is still around.
>
>


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596. "I do"
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There's always been a theme of the young outdoing the old.

Tyron > Tywin
Ramsey > Roose
Euron > Balon (kinda)

I'm sure I'm missing a few, but yeah

  

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570. "i agree...i think she'll use his lust for her against him"
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and pull an okie doke on him when he least expects it...i also think her and Jon will be in on the plot...they agreed to no more secrets.

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567. "right...i mean at some point the story has to end"
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and a character's motivations have to become clear...i think people are just sad that things are wrapping up.

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550. "This episode makes me appreciate Ned so much more"
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Obviously the whole sacrificing his integrity and marriage for his sister and nephew thing, but also how much he cared for Jon. In the books (and in the show, I think), he tells Jon that he would eventually tell him who his parents were.

  

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552. "Anyone else scream "King of the North" uncontrollably? "
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PS - Id follow Lyanna Mormont into the gates of hell, no questions asked.

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557. "lol nah, but i did get choked up a lil"
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>PS - Id follow Lyanna Mormont into the gates of hell, no
>questions asked.

word

  

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561. "loved the use of music in this episode"
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chills

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562. "They'll win an Emmy for it I'm sure. That intro was haunting as fuck. "
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...they have Emmys for that, right?

  

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553. "great season 6 finale..."
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..i'm not much for neat finale's, but this was a rare exception.

• confirmation of john snow's true heritage
• the stark family redemption
• little finger pined for catelyn for YEARS, only to then approach his daughter? (SAVAGE)
• tyrion earning the trust of daenerys
• daenerys sailing her fleet

this show just keeps getting better.

*skatin' the rings of saturn*


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573. "The music and tone of the first ten minutes was amazing."
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I was almost upset the first time words were spoke. I'm curious why the Faith Militant fenced everyone into the sept, and a little disappointed Sparrow didn't attempt to justify that to Margery or the audience before the place went up in flames. Her last moments were great but I feel like he needed to do more than stare meekly into space like a confused child, though I also get in some ways that's the ultimate comeuppance for his stoic devotion to the Seven.


But man, that music was wonderful, especially the subtle transition into the main theme of the show at the very end. It kind of washed the rest of the episode for me, it was a very good season finale but I wouldn't put it in the pantheon of best Game of Thrones episodes.


As others have said, it's not so much the story they're telling as the way they're telling it. I didn't get that traditional Game of Thrones feeling very often throughout this season and that continued during this finale. The dialogue, the sequencing, the staging, all of it felt different...simpler, for lack of a better word.


I'm still very much a fan of the show, it's still perfectly capable of dropping my jaw and delivering the best television of the year. Acting remains without peer. But I'm enjoying it for different reasons than the past few years. That's OK. I can't wait for March 2017.



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578. "Yeah the music was perfect"
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574. "Great finale, one of the best they've had."
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Beautiful scenes throughout and definitely one of the most satisfying episodes in the entire series.

The framing for Tommen's death was haunting... and it's clear Cersei was numb but she wasn't surprised in the slightest. It'll be interesting to see her evolution now that her last vestige of humanity is gone.

Liam Cunningham is underrated when discussing actors on this show, and he turned in another masterful performance. It's notable that Jon gave Melisandre the same punishment that Daenerys gave to Jorah... will he soften his stance like Daenerys did the next time they see each other? I don't think this will be last meeting between the red witch and the "prince that was promised".

Regarding departures, Daario got sonned. There are intriguing prophecies and fan theories in play from that scene... and while Tower of Joy was my favorite scene from Sunday, I think Tyrion becoming Hand of the Queen was a close second.

Speaking of which... I loved the element of mystery they kept between Ned and Lyanna. Great decision to extend the Tower of Joy throughout the season and I wouldn't have minded if they closed the season on that scene either.

As far as Varys teleporting... Yeah, I agree and get that showing travelling montages for the passage of time is unnecessary and silly. That being said, the presence of Varys on the ship was absolutely jarring (and frankly, unneeded). It's one thing to travel from King's Landing to Winterfell, which is a fair distance but reasonable in the context of the show. It's another to go from Dorne to Meereen (then back again), which is like three top-to-bottom Westeros' on top of each other in terms of distance. If you're familiar with Westeros geography (and I'm not referring to the condensed intro) then that was a definite headscratcher in what is otherwise an amazing closing scene.

  

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585. "i REALLY hope we see those ladies from the Dosh Khaleen again"
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... I liked the older ladies giving her a bit of guidance too... seemed like a cool concept to have a council of other Khaleesi to give her guidance from time to time

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579. "Who were those crazy children helping Cersei"
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580. "They are the "little birds" that Varys used to use..."
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... as Master of Whisperers. They were shown earlier in the season with Qyburn giving them treats as incentive to find him information.

Varys preferred using children because their motivations are simpler and they are more trustworthy than adults with complex agendas. Qyburn apparently took this trust and leveraged it further, actually using them as agents of chaos instead of overlooked eavesdroppers.

  

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582. "is it safe to say he's lacing those treats?"
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with either something making these kids more fierce or they're just fiending for their milk of the poppy cough drops, and will do whatever to get them

  

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584. "maybe...or could just be brainwashing them"
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and they're so poor and hungry that they're willing to do whatever it takes

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586. "I'm guessing there's no need to...."
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Most of those kids are impoverished, so it wouldn't take much more coaxing to get them to do some foul shit (especially if Qyburn is as charismatic with them as he is with Cersei).

  

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589. "Ahh yes i forgot about this scene"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x38KGke68J0

  

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591. "I completely missed that Clyburn had that kid's father "taken care of""
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makes more sense why these kids would ride for him

  

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581. "Robb's olf killed by crossbow, Robb stabbed in the gut, Catelyn throat s..."
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And the three that orchestrated it?

Tywin, killed by crossbow
Roose, stabbed in the gut
Walder Frey, throat slit

THIS MOTHER FUCKIN' SERIES MAN!

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602. "Damn, good catch!"
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>And the three that orchestrated it?
>
>Tywin, killed by crossbow
>Roose, stabbed in the gut
>Walder Frey, throat slit
>
>THIS MOTHER FUCKIN' SERIES MAN!

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588. "wash, rinse, repeat..."
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..the cycle continues.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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Nodima
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590. "Kanye and Mike Dean need to banger-ize "Light of the Seven""
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and have Pusha T drop a 7 minute epic on it.


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go mack
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592. "funny story"
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I have a friend that is adamant Jon's father is Robert, not Rhaegar and wanted to bet me 20 bucks on it. I tried talking him outta the bet cuz I felt bad for him, told him its been confirmed by HBO and shit, just look it up. He still kept coming back, naw Targaryian's have blonde hair. That was his only reasoning. I was like, look it makes way more sense that Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna and raped her and that's why Ned hides the baby. I cut the bet down to 5 bucks cuz I just felt bad taking his money like that. lol He's still going with it, thinks HBO and them are just playing us.

  

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Hitokiri
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593. "The real question is whether or not Lyanna was kidnapped and raped"
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or whether she was actually Rhaegar's paramour.

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40thStreetBlack
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598. "seems pretty clear that Lyanna was Rhaegar's girl"
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if he had kidnapped and raped her why would he leave 2 of his Kingsguard including the greatest swordsman in the Seven Kingdoms in Arthur Dayne to guard her instead of having them fighting at his side at the Trident?

also they showed that flashback on the "previously on GoT" clip where Sansa recites to Littlefinger how Rhaegar kidnapped and raped Lyanna and he gives her a cynical look and says "is that what you think?" or something to that effect. all the indications point to the official story that Rhaegar kidnapped and raped Lyanna to be a lie.

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Sofian_Hadi
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595. "Whats the point of hiding him if Robert is the father??"
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And why would she say "robert will kill him if he finds out, you know he will" if its Robert's child??? If Robert was the dad Jon Snow would of just had a normal life.

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597. "Shit if Jon was Rob's father"
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it probably wouldn't even be a Game of Thrones. Jon would be the next heir to the throne

  

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Sofian_Hadi
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599. "RE: Shit if Jon was Rob's father"
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Lol. Im saying, they would of had to make a series about robert's rebellion or something. With Jon taking over.

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Mynoriti
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600. ""the Starks mocked me. where are they now?""
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(Arya pours drink 10 feet away)

  

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Calico
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601. "LOL...."
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i gotta rewatch that episode

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Mynoriti
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603. "another clue was she kept saying "My lord""
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throwback to when Tywin called her on posing as a lowborn girl, and told her she was supposed to say "MeLord"

not that i caught any of these clues at the time lol.

  

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Sofian_Hadi
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604. "been rewatching the whole season"
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looking for little things like that, season 6 was so dope

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