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"Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Abrams, 2015) SPOILERS/REVIEWS thread"


          

Quite possible this might get locked, BUT....

Here's a thread where you can put spoilers and your own reviews (that will contain spoilers) for The Force Awakens.

Let's not spoil any other threads - people will be bummed.

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Saw it, its an easy 5/7
Dec 17th 2015
1
5/7?
Dec 17th 2015
2
5 out of 7
Dec 17th 2015
4
lol
Dec 17th 2015
3
haha
Dec 17th 2015
5
Beware of Roger
Dec 22nd 2015
216
if Finn wasn't such a mess of a portrayal, I'd like this movie a LOT mor...
Dec 18th 2015
6
LMAO
Dec 18th 2015
7
He aint sith yet
Dec 18th 2015
34
      I know..but Worst Sith Ever...works for me
Dec 18th 2015
38
           I hope not
Dec 18th 2015
39
he's a little goofy, true to the storm troopers we grew up on..
Dec 18th 2015
10
dawg, in addition him to finn SHOUTING every line for the first hour...
Dec 18th 2015
27
nah, that's not what he does. In Attack the Block he's essentially
Dec 19th 2015
70
^^^^
Dec 18th 2015
31
I really liked Finn
Dec 18th 2015
35
No. Finn was fucking awesome.
Dec 18th 2015
45
Finn was awesome but I'm biased
Dec 18th 2015
53
Did you watch the same movie as the rest of us? Finn was that dude.
Dec 19th 2015
56
I liked that Finn was more pragmatic than "good"
Dec 19th 2015
89
He's a young nigga figuring it out. Realistic, actually.
Dec 19th 2015
112
Loved it.... okay I only have one question...
Dec 18th 2015
8
most of the EU are no longer canon
Dec 18th 2015
11
Im not sure they don't recognize her
Dec 18th 2015
14
the younger sister angle could def work....
Dec 18th 2015
17
I thought she was Luke's daughter
Dec 18th 2015
18
My Rey theory
Dec 18th 2015
19
RE: My Rey theory
Dec 18th 2015
25
this seems bizarre to me
Dec 19th 2015
90
yeah the books messed me up too
Dec 21st 2015
151
loved it.. EASILY the 4th best SW film... ***SPOILER***
Dec 18th 2015
9
R2 was
Dec 18th 2015
12
damn! thanks that makes sense... ****MORE SPOILERS****
Dec 18th 2015
15
Force Ghosts
Dec 18th 2015
16
I thought he was activated by Ray, who carries Luke's DNA
Dec 19th 2015
67
Giving it 3rd best status behind Jedi
Dec 18th 2015
36
      wait wait wait ... third best BEHIND jedi?
Dec 19th 2015
57
           Meant to say AHEAD; my bad.
Dec 19th 2015
63
I loved it but
Dec 18th 2015
13
Great characters. Insanely familiar-- no surprises. A pleasant diversion...
Dec 18th 2015
20
RE: Great characters. Insanely familiar-- no surprises. A pleasant diver...
Dec 19th 2015
93
yep.
Jan 04th 2016
336
Well, it wasn't Phantom Menace, so there's that
Dec 18th 2015
21
RE: Well, it wasn't Phantom Menace, so there's that
Dec 18th 2015
22
Though it was great
Dec 18th 2015
23
Thoroughly enjoyed it. Excellent set up for the franchise
Dec 18th 2015
24
A Newer Hope but still pretty dope
Dec 18th 2015
26
After a 2nd viewing I'm changing my family tree stance
Dec 18th 2015
50
It's very good
Dec 18th 2015
28
kylo ren as an unlikeable villian "crescendoed" to pretty good
Dec 18th 2015
29
my whole theater had zero reaction to this cause we all saw it
Dec 18th 2015
32
      RE: my whole theater had zero reaction to this cause we all saw it
Dec 18th 2015
33
           It was telegraphed when he walked out on the bridge
Dec 18th 2015
54
                when he handed over the trigger I was like "oh this is it"
Dec 20th 2015
126
I'm sure i would have LOVED this movie if i hadnt already seen IV
Dec 18th 2015
30
RE: I'm sure i would have LOVED this movie if i hadnt already seen IV
Dec 23rd 2015
244
If Finn is going to be this generation's Han...
Dec 18th 2015
37
RE: If Finn is going to be this generation's Han...
Dec 18th 2015
40
      I hope so; Oscar Isaac is wasted if not given more to do
Dec 18th 2015
41
      I didnt know that was her
Dec 18th 2015
49
           The voice was very recognizable...what I didn't kno was Lupita
Dec 19th 2015
59
      Seems he should've taken them to the Reisstance
Dec 18th 2015
44
      He was a plot device in this film; was supposed to die.
Dec 21st 2015
168
Liked it, didn't love it. Mainly cuz of the predictability already menti...
Dec 18th 2015
42
finn was the shit.
Dec 18th 2015
55
      Yep, I had the same Denzel comparison when watching...
Dec 19th 2015
74
           Finn is the only one who acts like an actual person
Dec 20th 2015
120
This shit coulda been called Phantom Menace
Dec 18th 2015
43
I loved it. I can't fully rank it yet because i want to see it again
Dec 18th 2015
46
I almost started crying when
Dec 18th 2015
47
Imma say 3rd best behind Empire and Revenge
Dec 18th 2015
48
I liked it a lot
Dec 18th 2015
51
It was also the first time Finn was making decisions for himself
Dec 19th 2015
110
I really liked it BUT
Dec 18th 2015
52
a lot of y'all are saying y'all really liked it but....
Dec 19th 2015
60
      Nah, I can dig it but still be worried
Dec 19th 2015
64
      Yeah at this point there shouldnt be a film 'setting up a franchise'
Dec 19th 2015
66
      Re: the action... it's not great, honestly. Prequels have better action.
Dec 19th 2015
73
           But good action scenes are more than just technical achievement
Dec 21st 2015
197
      Mos DEF, JJ's Star Trek is much better than JJ's Star Wars
Dec 20th 2015
114
           That's all I'm saying
Dec 20th 2015
117
           JJ's Star Trek was criticized for not being Star Trek enough
Dec 20th 2015
119
                ^THIS^
Dec 21st 2015
149
                ^^ Pretty much. Lose lose with both franchises
Dec 24th 2015
259
Very mediocre until I see 8 and 9.
Dec 19th 2015
58
I think the building of the new characters was excellent
Dec 19th 2015
80
You call bullshit on an opinion? Okay, player.
Dec 19th 2015
95
      Kylo isn't a sith yet
Dec 19th 2015
106
      That still doesn't hold. No way Finn should have been able to hang.
Dec 26th 2015
273
      Kylo vs Finn/Rey
Dec 20th 2015
116
           Dude was bleeding to death + not that nice to begin with
Dec 20th 2015
121
           I forgot about the shot from Chewy. In that case he's just weak as fuck
Dec 26th 2015
274
Don't make excuses. It was medicore
Dec 21st 2015
172
who was the old guy on tattoine, I mean jukka that Oscar Isaac got the
Dec 19th 2015
61
my theory is that Luke got a secret Jedi coven
Dec 19th 2015
65
fuck this movie.....
Dec 19th 2015
62
You explained why that's the only way he should die
Dec 19th 2015
111
      I just feel a character like Han Solo should go out like a boss....
Dec 20th 2015
141
           that would've been od cheesy.
Dec 21st 2015
144
I really enjoyed it...
Dec 19th 2015
68
What do you mean think?
Dec 22nd 2015
220
      They didn't
Dec 22nd 2015
235
           what about the convo between han/leia though?
Dec 22nd 2015
241
                i actually agree with you...
Dec 30th 2015
329
i wanted to love it but I didn't...
Dec 19th 2015
69
RE: i wanted to love it but I didn't...
Dec 19th 2015
71
when was this revealed in the films?
Dec 19th 2015
76
      Clone Wars tv show
Dec 19th 2015
85
Kylo isnt the finished article yet.
Dec 19th 2015
72
It's was also an homage
Dec 19th 2015
79
Another thing, I wish Adam Driver was never on "Girls"...
Dec 19th 2015
75
he didn't do enuff sans mask to make me forget his girls character eithe...
Dec 19th 2015
77
      Thats why Kylo wears the mask tho
Dec 19th 2015
78
           True and that's all well and good. But I want to think of a soft shoulde...
Dec 19th 2015
83
           I couldn't hear him as anything but Adam.
Dec 20th 2015
113
           I've never seen Driver in my life prior to Force Awakens
Dec 20th 2015
122
                http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kareem-abduljabbar/girls-review_b_2593756....
Dec 20th 2015
131
           ^^^THIS and that's why its perfect
Dec 19th 2015
86
It was fine. Tough to be great with so many balls to juggle
Dec 19th 2015
81
!!!!
Dec 19th 2015
84
I need a spreadsheet for this
Dec 19th 2015
88
Yeah, I was left thinking a lot about the politics
Dec 26th 2015
272
I thought it was thrilling. Second best after Empire.
Dec 19th 2015
82
I'm with you. I loved it.
Dec 19th 2015
98
That was why I wanted to see it opening night....
Dec 19th 2015
99
that's how i feel
Dec 21st 2015
201
Where's the 'I had it my sister had it you have it' Luke VO from trailer...
Dec 19th 2015
87
Yeah they left some shit out. My fav part of the trailer
Dec 19th 2015
91
The VO is from RotJ and Mark Hamil re-recorded it specifically for the
Dec 19th 2015
92
      Oh shit my bad. I feel dumb now. Thanks for the link!
Dec 19th 2015
104
Saw a 2nd time today
Dec 19th 2015
94
I'm glad I went to see this twice before coming into this post....
Dec 19th 2015
96
I'm sayin - like what exactly did everyone hope for?
Dec 19th 2015
97
I've spend the last 4 weeks.....
Dec 19th 2015
100
RE: I've spend the last 4 weeks.....
Dec 19th 2015
101
RE: I've spend the last 4 weeks.....
Dec 19th 2015
105
I think people are being pretty clear on what they thought.
Dec 19th 2015
103
      Yeah. Not to mention these replies don't address the critiques at all
Dec 21st 2015
212
           People have decided to love it, no matter how shitty it is.
Dec 21st 2015
214
I've seen over 100 movies this year. Enjoyed roughly 70-75 of them.
Dec 19th 2015
102
Man
Dec 19th 2015
107
I'm over it: Star Wars just isn't the place for great mythology
Dec 19th 2015
108
for me, the magic/myth is in more than just the single movie
Dec 22nd 2015
219
      I am FINE WITH THAT. And GOOD FOR YOU and your fam.
Dec 22nd 2015
229
           i can certainly appreciate your point
Dec 22nd 2015
234
saw the first in 77 as a kid..this was what longtime oldass fans wanted
Dec 19th 2015
109
what did the Supreme Leader say at the end?
Dec 20th 2015
115
RE: what did the Supreme Leader say at the end?
Dec 20th 2015
118
He said, "so we're getting to the real story in the next one?"
Dec 20th 2015
136
      lmao
Dec 20th 2015
140
      thank you
Dec 28th 2015
289
Force Awakens remixes EU - I like this article, good points
Dec 20th 2015
123
Saying Snoke is based on Thrawn is a stretch
Dec 21st 2015
145
      Abrams didn't read any of that shit.
Dec 21st 2015
150
           Man, your inner child is PISSED
Dec 22nd 2015
238
                Your outer child misses Jar Jar Binks
Dec 22nd 2015
239
seen it 2x.
Dec 20th 2015
124
RE: seen it 2x.
Dec 20th 2015
127
      Didn't dig Gleeson initially, stepped out during the speech the 2nd x
Dec 21st 2015
180
Fine movie, but reviews on BOTH SIDES are OFF.
Dec 20th 2015
125
I agree with everything (other than the prequel talk); in particular thi...
Dec 20th 2015
128
So it IS a problem that it's like ANH
Dec 20th 2015
130
Nah, that isn't it.
Dec 20th 2015
132
      Of course you can.
Dec 20th 2015
134
           Ok, cool. I'm not saying I LIKED the similarities to ANH
Dec 20th 2015
135
                RE: Ok, cool. I'm not saying I LIKED the similarities to ANH
Dec 21st 2015
152
                     Well, this is the point. It's all about $.
Dec 21st 2015
153
This post pairs best with my thoughts.
Dec 21st 2015
156
as long as Disney respects the existing mythology
Dec 21st 2015
199
      Nah, this is spiraling into a space magic Jerry Springer episode
Dec 21st 2015
207
JJ explains how/why R2 woke up
Dec 20th 2015
129
Jesus. That whole article proves my points
Dec 20th 2015
133
Show us on the Black Series action figure where your uncle touched you
Dec 20th 2015
137
Yowzers. I feel really sorry for some of you guys.
Dec 20th 2015
138
      LMAO lighten up dude.
Dec 20th 2015
142
           Hey, you're the one who mentioned child molestation
Dec 21st 2015
147
I agree, what a shit answer
Dec 21st 2015
146
"Luke turned him on because he was ready to help" >>>>>>
Dec 21st 2015
148
      RE: "Luke turned him on because he was ready to help" >>>>>>
Dec 21st 2015
167
           better answer below
Dec 24th 2015
261
Crazy part is Abrams sees the problems, repeats them
Dec 21st 2015
166
OE being brave with his "It's good/bad" stance
Dec 21st 2015
169
      Simple: enjoyable, fun movie. Shitty, goofy story.
Dec 21st 2015
171
           Star Wars was/is/always will be goofy. It's part of its charm
Dec 21st 2015
177
                Nah, 4.5 and (even) 6 were well constructed, well made movies.
Dec 21st 2015
187
                     USE THE AGENDA, LUKE
Dec 21st 2015
198
                          No more child molestation references, please
Dec 21st 2015
204
                               You wanted your childhood restored and got a movie instead
Dec 21st 2015
210
                                    Opposite. I wanted a movie and got nods to my childhood
Dec 21st 2015
211
                                         You wanted friends and have 50,000 msg board posts instead
Dec 21st 2015
213
                                              Ah, so you're conceding that the movie was shitty
Dec 21st 2015
215
                                              Naw. It's a good star wars movie. Problem is..
Dec 22nd 2015
223
                                                   Hey, if you want to pardon a shitty movie, fine.
Dec 22nd 2015
228
                                                        Maybe don't go into a movie expecting to see it 5 times
Dec 22nd 2015
232
                                                             I'll take seeing a good movie one time
Dec 22nd 2015
240
                                              ROFL
Dec 22nd 2015
237
"oh fuck, Luke skywalkers here" <--GOOD ANSWER
Jan 04th 2016
338
reading this annoyed me.
Jan 11th 2016
371
Boyega at the London premiere was straight comedy (vid)
Dec 20th 2015
139
lmao that was great. I'm happy for dude
Dec 21st 2015
143
This movie was a mess.
Dec 21st 2015
154
^^^^GODDAMN!!!!
Dec 21st 2015
155
      RE: ^^^^GODDAMN!!!!
Dec 21st 2015
157
           Yeah. It stood unusual to me also
Dec 21st 2015
159
           Even if Ren was mortally wounded
Dec 21st 2015
160
           We don't know Ren is a trained soldier
Dec 21st 2015
173
                Yeah and no. The movie doesn't explicitly spell it out
Dec 21st 2015
179
           which is all bullshit. stop it.
Dec 21st 2015
161
                RE: which is all bullshit. stop it.
Dec 21st 2015
164
                every single thing you listed
Dec 21st 2015
183
                How the fuck you hate Prometheus and like this shit?
Dec 21st 2015
170
                     wait what, I love prometheus, you got me fucked up lol
Dec 21st 2015
182
C+ needs improvement (spoilers)
Dec 21st 2015
158
It 'righted' the ship but at the cost of being a solid stand alone movie
Dec 21st 2015
162
we'll have to wait until next year to see if they can do a new story
Dec 21st 2015
163
      What did you do with my Rjcc? Didn't you hate Avatar?
Dec 21st 2015
174
           because Jake killed my nigga Tsu'tey AND took his chick
Dec 21st 2015
184
                Avatar was literally thousands of times better than this shit
Dec 21st 2015
186
                     jesus christ, no.
Dec 21st 2015
189
                          "trolling" is saying Force Awakens is as good as A New Hope
Dec 21st 2015
195
Loved the movie, didnt care for the plot
Dec 21st 2015
165
Not as great as everyone is saying but not bad
Dec 21st 2015
175
you mixing names up like crazy, haha
Dec 21st 2015
176
Which names am I mixing up?
Dec 21st 2015
178
Ren and Rey
Dec 21st 2015
202
      You're right I got those names mixed up and didn't notice it
Dec 21st 2015
205
what name did he mix up? maybe the fact that ep7 was a re-
Dec 21st 2015
181
      RE: what name did he mix up? maybe the fact that ep7 was a re-
Dec 21st 2015
190
           reread, he mixed it once and the context made it quite clear
Dec 21st 2015
191
                4 times actually
Dec 21st 2015
203
                     ok
Dec 21st 2015
209
yup, i realize now that this film had a VERY low bench mark
Dec 21st 2015
185
Very enjoyable. Mostly glad it sets up the new trilogy well.
Dec 21st 2015
188
i wish it had been the other way around, carrie fisher was horrible
Dec 21st 2015
193
      I was too, though storywise I'd say it makes more sense
Dec 22nd 2015
233
Did anybody else think Chewie was gonna die when Han got killed?
Dec 21st 2015
192
nah bruh, they kill chewie in the last Star Wars movie ever
Dec 21st 2015
194
Yeah i think only Chewie is around by ep 9
Dec 21st 2015
196
      going to be Chewie and R2 and relaxing
Dec 21st 2015
200
           Ideally but i think they will let BB8 stand alone...
Dec 21st 2015
206
Chewie's not done with Kylo Ren
Dec 21st 2015
208
I thought he was gone instead...
Dec 22nd 2015
224
would've been nice to have an R-rating
Dec 22nd 2015
226
      in the book you get some arm-ripping action
Jan 17th 2016
      in the book you get some arm-ripping action
Jan 17th 2016
385
too much recycled from RTJ
Dec 22nd 2015
217
Baby boomers: we didn't just save the world; we saved the galaxy
Dec 22nd 2015
218
I can get down with this reasoning
Dec 22nd 2015
221
Nah. Either way it's big, dumb, fun.
Dec 22nd 2015
222
      ^^^My man. Agreed on all. n/m
Dec 22nd 2015
230
new republic / first order / resistance politics explained:
Dec 22nd 2015
225
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Dec 22nd 2015
227
ay listen, O...
Dec 23rd 2015
245
      Got you. Apologies. n/m
Dec 23rd 2015
249
if only any of this had appeared in the film...but thanks
Dec 23rd 2015
248
i'm with this guy
Dec 22nd 2015
231
As epic as the first triology
Dec 22nd 2015
236
Umm, this was hot/fun garbage
Dec 23rd 2015
242
I respect the prequel trilogy more than this movie
Dec 23rd 2015
251
      this is perfect.
Dec 24th 2015
265
Our old heroes ended up dead beats
Dec 23rd 2015
243
one more time, why not
Dec 23rd 2015
246
what?
Dec 23rd 2015
247
      RE: what?
Dec 23rd 2015
252
           han solo did evolve. it didn't work.
Dec 23rd 2015
254
           Those were words that he spoke in front of a camera
Dec 23rd 2015
257
                nah, it's definitely supposed to be pathetic
Dec 24th 2015
267
                     Nah, Harrison Ford just didn't care about this movie
Dec 26th 2015
277
                          i bet m.night would've gotten a good performance out of him
Dec 29th 2015
311
                               Couldn't have done any worse than TFA
Dec 31st 2015
333
           Han admits that he devolved into his old bad habits after Ben split
Dec 23rd 2015
255
                Nah, Harrison Ford devolved into a bad actor
Dec 27th 2015
284
                     something something m.night
Dec 29th 2015
312
let me explain some stuff for you slowpokes
Dec 23rd 2015
250
glad you wrote this, because after seeing it again...
Dec 23rd 2015
253
exactly. all of this. thank you.
Dec 23rd 2015
256
      I'm curious why anyone should care that Luke is Rey's father
Dec 24th 2015
258
           I don't know, maybe I'm not that hard to please...
Dec 24th 2015
262
           i doubt it'll be a reveal, more like a plot point
Dec 24th 2015
268
none of this addresses that TFA was a ANH repeated
Dec 24th 2015
260
think that was pretty obviously deliberate
Dec 24th 2015
269
      I stopped reading after ur first paragraph. There were plenty of
Dec 27th 2015
287
      the filmmakers did tell a different story
Dec 29th 2015
309
      LMAO @ "bringing back the old fans"
Dec 28th 2015
292
           what would m.night do?
Dec 29th 2015
308
Glad you wrote this
Dec 24th 2015
264
RE: let me explain some stuff for you slowpokes
Dec 25th 2015
270
lol the force can be/do anything they need to facilitate the plot.
Dec 27th 2015
281
That's a copout though.
Dec 27th 2015
282
the force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded
Dec 29th 2015
310
lol, this guy. NO SHIT about Rey, first of all.
Dec 26th 2015
275
That is perhaps the corniest review I've ever read.
Dec 26th 2015
276
given that your ideal sci-fi adventure is directed by m.night
Dec 29th 2015
306
umm, sarcasm? I can't tell if you are joking
Dec 27th 2015
285
      and you might be the slowest of pokes
Dec 29th 2015
307
           nah, it just wasn't good
Dec 29th 2015
317
           Watching u try 2 squeeze meaning out of this shitty movie is LOL
Dec 29th 2015
328
Im okay with the movie not showing all this
Dec 24th 2015
263
I've seen it twice - each time the projection has been wrong
Dec 24th 2015
266
I ENJOYED THIS "A NEW HOPE" REMIX BY DJJJ ABRAMS
Dec 25th 2015
271
Featuring John Boyegalectronica
Dec 27th 2015
278
What about all the gaping PLOT HOLES in this Movie?
Dec 27th 2015
279
Seems you and the author are unclear on the concept of plot holes.
Dec 27th 2015
283
Oh here we go. SMH
Dec 27th 2015
288
      lol you post some half assed critique and have the nerve to say that?
Dec 28th 2015
290
           We all know what Plot holes are. Thank you and don't be mad.
Dec 28th 2015
295
                LOL! Yet again, you offer no insight or perspective
Dec 28th 2015
298
                     You are just mad that the Movie has issues. I still like it though.
Dec 28th 2015
302
                          Mad? I POINTED OUT ISSUES IN THE MOVIE.
Dec 28th 2015
304
whew. Is it that serious?
Dec 28th 2015
300
How is this a "plot hole?"
Dec 29th 2015
314
Half that list consists of things that aren't plot holes
Dec 29th 2015
316
      LOL.. Half of the list.. LOL What about the other half (20 points)
Dec 29th 2015
318
           I was being nice in saying "half", Basic Bill.
Dec 29th 2015
319
           How are things like this a "plot hole"?
Dec 29th 2015
327
                Why does he where the mask in the first place.
Dec 30th 2015
331
                     it's not that deep. He's a Vader dickrider obviously
Dec 31st 2015
332
                     Never mind. This is a waste of time.
Jan 01st 2016
334
What about the HOLES in the article?
Jan 08th 2016
356
alot of these are NOT PLOT HOLES
Jan 09th 2016
359
Devils Adcovate +
Jan 26th 2016
386
Star Wars and morality
Dec 27th 2015
280
I saw it a second time and liked it way more. However my cousins
Dec 27th 2015
286
Beat Jurrasic World's race to 1 billion by only one day? Meh
Dec 28th 2015
291
I was surprised by that too, but I expect this to be around longer.
Dec 28th 2015
293
      Yeah, it doesn't open in China until January 9.
Dec 28th 2015
294
           RE: Yeah, it doesn't open in China until January 9.
Dec 28th 2015
296
           RE: Yeah, it doesn't open in China until January 9.
Dec 28th 2015
297
           lol for the recond someone surprised me and took me opening
Dec 28th 2015
301
           Its cause China apparently DGAF about Star Wars
Dec 28th 2015
299
                they don't let foreign movies run during the holidays in China
Dec 29th 2015
313
                Just had the biggest opening weekend in Chinese history
Jan 11th 2016
366
On second viewing, I'm more interested in the events between 6 and 7
Dec 28th 2015
303
if TNR is no longer the empire/senate
Dec 28th 2015
305
      I'd watch a short film about the First Order's shady business dealings
Dec 29th 2015
315
      The Clone Wars had several episodes about financing.
Dec 29th 2015
320
      ah, I see
Dec 29th 2015
324
      That's actually a pretty dope plan
Dec 29th 2015
326
      RE: I'd watch a short film about the First Order's shady business dealin...
Dec 30th 2015
330
      It's kind of covered in the books, but nowhere in the movies
Dec 29th 2015
321
           are these books that are still canon or no?
Dec 29th 2015
322
                This was all the "new" Canon books and comics
Dec 29th 2015
323
                     ahh, gotcha. damn there's still a shit ton of stuff
Dec 29th 2015
325
was cool for what it is. but...deja vu like a motherfucker.
Jan 02nd 2016
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my only serious complaint is the lack of visual spectacle.
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I agree with this. It was pretty boring visually.
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the prequels had visual spectacle
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lots of fun and will see it again, but we got robbed of 2 things
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I agree - to the point that both must have been purposeful.
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still got beef over not getting a medal
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Chewie helped carry Finn off the Falcon though right?
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Nah I don't think so. There's a shot of him just walking
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i saw that re: the novelization
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They definitely effed it up. I think their focus was on
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yup i was thinking this as well
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the idea that rey is a member of the solo/skywalker line
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      The only way it would make sense is if they didn't know...
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      maybe it's just a hug
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           Maybe. I'm definitely speculating. But they specifically sent her
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      i would rather it be just stupid than nonsensical
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are we supposed to take the novelization of the film as canon?
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      Yes, the novelization is canon.
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Had a thought
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Story was weak and the last 40 minutes were literally ep. IV
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and Finn didn't stand a chance
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i just watched attack of the clones again recently. its not good.
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      it's soooo trash
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      word. i tried giving the prequels a fair chance recently.
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           the Anakin and Padme love story is possibly the cinematic WOAT
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                Han and Ben Solo was almost as bad
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                Not close to me.
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                     Right, and don't forget "I don't like sand, it gets everywhere"
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                     Jesus
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                     Han and Leia discussing divorce terms during a rebellion
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                          Nothing in movie history has been worse than this:
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                the entire arc. if it's not the worst, it's one of the worst.
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RE: Episode VII plot similarities to Episode IV
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it wasnt the thematic things that bothered me
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RE: it wasnt the thematic things that bothered me
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      im not sure i agree
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           RE: im not sure i agree
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                Exactly. Luke was looking up to the Binary sunset wanting to leave.
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                     Good lord. Lame. n/m
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Jesus, you guys just refuse to think for yourselves
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      china China China china
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VFX before and after
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Why hasnt this leaked!!! lol
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It has. Like opening weekend.
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      Lol I meant a screener
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      sick of this kodi cam shit lol...
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RE: Bliss movie award winner
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You thought it was like A New Hope??
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Best Star Wars movie of 2015
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Best Star Wars movie since the last one
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I saw it again this week
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I think a lot of these questions will be answered in the next movie
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This movie definitely still holds up too.
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blu-ray review
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Just rewatched, and noticed something BIG.
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I've thought so since first viewing.
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I also did initially. But I've gone in circles because the
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Oh wow never thought of that
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still my favorite numbered entry outside the original trilogy
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Yeah it's a great movie
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2. " 5/7? "
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5 or 7 on 1-10 scale?

  

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LOL

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6. "if Finn wasn't such a mess of a portrayal, I'd like this movie a LOT mor..."
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dude is literally the impetus for most of the MAJOR plot points in the movie
and a trained stormtrooper
clearly down to fight if need be
So why the stumblin bumblin comic relief schtick?

Meh.

Trust Fund Vader was a respectable villain
Snope is a goofy name
I liked the film overall, tho

  

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7. "LMAO"
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Trust Fund Vader...worst Sith...ever.


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34. "He aint sith yet"
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38. "I know..but Worst Sith Ever...works for me"
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I hope Snoke is just as tall in person

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39. "I hope not"
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I hope Snope isn't a CGI Harry Potter looking thing any more.

  

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...being that he's not a clone, i guess he doesn't have to be portrayed like that ...i still think he ends up a jedi by the 3rd installment


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27. "dawg, in addition him to finn SHOUTING every line for the first hour..."
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i started to groan at his forced comic relief.

like, between solo and finn trading barbs, i thought i was watching an advertised comedy.

also, did abrams direct boyega to over-act, or is that just what he does?

  

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70. "nah, that's not what he does. In Attack the Block he's essentially "
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Young Action Hero Denzel.

He ain't gotta be *that*, but he was waaaaay to Cuba Gooding Jr in this joint

  

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jar jar binks as a storm troopper

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35. "I really liked Finn"
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and thought the actor did great. shrug

  

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45. "No. Finn was fucking awesome."
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That kid gonna be a star.

  

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53. "Finn was awesome but I'm biased"
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Met Boyega back in his Attack of the Block days & dude was hella cool

  

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56. "Did you watch the same movie as the rest of us? Finn was that dude."
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89. "I liked that Finn was more pragmatic than "good""
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it gives him space to be Han Solo-ish without being Solo 2.0

like, he saved Poe because poe could get him out.

everything with Rey is...obvious reasons, at each level.

I like him.

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112. "He's a young nigga figuring it out. Realistic, actually. "
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He not all sleek and purposeful

Dude is all confused and shit

He acts the part

Rey is basically the only person in the world who was
ever nice to him, hence the affinity

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8. "Loved it.... okay I only have one question..."
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First of all the movie was awesome. Only drawback I can find is this is pretty much Ep 4 redone for the modern generation. But it was so well done Im not even mad. Now my question....

I know from the books that they had twins, a boy & a girl. So going in I assumed Kylo was the son and the chick was his twin sister. But with Han & especially Leia not recognizing her or even acknowledging there was another kid.... is this a new take on the story? Could she be Luke's daughter? Or are they just saving the whole "I am your brother" reveal for Episode 8?

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11. "most of the EU are no longer canon"
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14. "Im not sure they don't recognize her"
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I just think they were holding back and not telling her. When Leia sees her and hugs her just got that feeling. And Im thinking maybe a younger sister rather than twin this time but don't know.. It just seems more likely they will go into her finding out he's her brother eventually and having to try to turn him back.

  

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17. "the younger sister angle could def work...."
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I could see with him going dark, Luke disappearing, and Han running off, Leia thinking its best to send her off like Obi did with Luke.

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19. "My Rey theory"
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She's Kylo Ben's younger sis. She also was being trained. Bitch Boy Ben cuts down the Jedi (probably on Snoke's orders), but can't bring himself to chop his sister. So, knowing he can't say he left her alive, he drops her on Jakku to work knowing she won't be able to get off world. Leia and Han think she was slaughtered as well which is why they don't recognize her as their daughter. But they both seemed to sense "something" with her it seemed to me.

This theory came to me from Kylo's reaction when he was told the traitor Stormtrooper and the droid were assisted by "...a girl" and her lightsaber vision.

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25. "RE: My Rey theory"
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I think she has to be Luke's kid. Him and the mother get separated for whatever reason, the mother gets taken, and she gets sold into slavery on Jakku.

>She's Kylo Ben's younger sis. She also was being trained.
>Bitch Boy Ben cuts down the Jedi (probably on Snoke's orders),
>but can't bring himself to chop his sister. So, knowing he
>can't say he left her alive, he drops her on Jakku to work
>knowing she won't be able to get off world. Leia and Han think
>she was slaughtered as well which is why they don't recognize
>her as their daughter. But they both seemed to sense
>"something" with her it seemed to me.

Eh, problem with that is that they seem to be roughly the same, if not similar ages. So she'd remember more about her brother or her family if this was so. It would make Kylo's "You see Han Solo as the father you never had..." speech a little superfluous.

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90. "this seems bizarre to me"
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even if they thought their daughter was dead, it seems ridiculous to me that they would meet her and not recognize her or even specifically mark it as something later on.

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151. "yeah the books messed me up too"
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i just knew they were twins. then i was kindas shocked when they didn't acknowledge it. they threw out all that stuff from the novels which is kind of a shame. i would have loved to have seen Admiral Thrawn in the movies.

  

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9. "loved it.. EASILY the 4th best SW film... ***SPOILER***"
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...only thing that bothered me was when R2 came back online, as if he's force sensitive or something ...he's been sad since Luke bounced but knows now it's time to go get him?




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Probably activated by Luke who felt it was time.

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15. "damn! thanks that makes sense... ****MORE SPOILERS****"
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...I'm also thinking how Kylo is trying to talk to his grandpa in that scene ..even if he could speak to him, Anikin's spirt is going to tell him to stop being a bad ass and go to the light, right???


..and is Luke chilling on that planet chopping it up all day with Obi Won, Yoda & Qui-Gon???

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16. "Force Ghosts"
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Yeah, Kylo is most likely just giving himself a pep talk. If Anakin's force ghost was able to communicate with him it surely wouldn't be encouraging him to the dark side.

If I remember correctly (I probably don't) force ghosts couldn't stick around indefinitely, Obi wan was only able to hold on for about 10 years, someone more powerful like Yoda and Anakin could probably stick around longer. In the now non canon EU, Luke was able to stick around for several decades but even he eventually couldn't maintain it.

Point of all that, I don't think Luke is still playing Jenga with Yoda and Obi-Wan. Of course none of that stuff is canon anymore so who knows how they'll go with it.

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67. "I thought he was activated by Ray, who carries Luke's DNA"
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because she is his daughter.

  

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36. "Giving it 3rd best status behind Jedi"
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57. "wait wait wait ... third best BEHIND jedi? "
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you're rating jedi ahead of a new hope or empire?

for me, it's empire, a new hope, jedi/FA ... *LONG PAUSE* ... prequels.

  

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63. "Meant to say AHEAD; my bad. "
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Empire
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13. "I loved it but"
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think they could have skipped the whole new Death Star angle again. I was fine with a lot of the similarities, events that happen very close to events that happen in the OGs, old lines being said, etc but a 3rd movie now on a device that blows up planets, de-activate the shields and find a weak spot... meh Wish would just stuck with the search and other plot points and left that out.

Still I had a great time and a grin on my face the entire time.

  

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20. "Great characters. Insanely familiar-- no surprises. A pleasant diversion..."
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It's a better franchise set-up than it is a movie. The performances and characters are so strong that they carry the pretty standard (some may say too familiar, and I may not disagree) story.

Better than the prequels, but that's not saying much-- the prequels had no interesting characters whatsoever. Not convinced this movie reaches some of the action heights from the prequels though-- but I'd rather have characters I care about. Rey, Finn, and Kylo all absolutely rule.

People with super-deep nostalgia for the original series will love it, I'm sure. I'm not terribly passionate about the franchise, so I found it to be a pleasant, earnest diversion.

The most exciting thing to me are the racial and gender dynamics really-- seeing black and Hispanic heroes, seeing women who actively do the rescuing. Hopefully this encourages more big franchises to do the same.

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93. "RE: Great characters. Insanely familiar-- no surprises. A pleasant diver..."
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>It's a better franchise set-up than it is a movie.

This.

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336. "yep. "
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characters propelled it and the casting was nearly perfect*. necessary step forward to see female and black leads after the whitewashed (as with most things beloved by nerds) heydays.

first 45 minutes are *fantastic*, the middle part is solid, and the end drags because it's telegraphed (the Death...Planet! with the nearly same weakness it had 40 years ago!). overall enjoyable though.

*except for Adam Driver. Kylo Ren is an interesting character, but Driver is completely ill-suited for the role (sans mask).

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21. "Well, it wasn't Phantom Menace, so there's that"
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It did look great (a return to more practical effects was welcome after the bluescreen orgy that the prequels were) but somehow I still came away underwhelmed. I don't think it was bad by any means. But there was probably too much Solo and they wheeled out the planet destroying weapon again (though this time it's a death planet instead of death star. It still goes down the same. You'd think somebody would have figured out how to defend that by now).

Trust Fund Vader. I'm stealing that one. Why the hell did he have to keep taking off the mask? And what's with the temper tantrums?

Definitely felt like a New Hope remix. Something for the new fans, maybe too much for the old fans, but not quite a perfect mashup for both. It does set up things for the next one, so I'll see where it goes

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22. "RE: Well, it wasn't Phantom Menace, so there's that"
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The wide shots were my favorite part hands down....that was the appeal of seeing it in a theater

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23. "Though it was great"
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the most impressive 3D i have seen. saw it at Air and Space IMAX and it looked absolutely gorgeous. Characters worked well enough. I would have enjoyed Kylo Ren being someone not Han's and Leia's son but overall i thought it was very good.

  

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24. "Thoroughly enjoyed it. Excellent set up for the franchise"
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Pretty much everything I love flows from my love of the original trilogy, and this didn't disappoint.

Great action and great continuation of the world creation. I did like that they just through the audience into the new state of affairs, with only the minimal explanation of stuff in the opening crawl. Finn, Rey, and Kylo were all great characters. Good intro to Poe, Phasma, and General Hux (Gleason did a solid job at channelin Tarkin). Happy as Hell to see Han and Chewie get their shine. Best action sequence was the first Falcon chase. Followed by the lightsaber fight in the forest.

Also great was how they mixed the practical effects with the new digital technology. Looked pretty damn seamless in most cases.

Okay, now a for a few things, I had... minor issues with. They've been covered by other above, but I'll say them again anyway. First, they really didn't give Oscar Isaac that much to do, and as a result, not that much reason to care about him. And as a result, I really didn't feel much about his mission to blow this version of the Death Star. There's an interesting character there, but I wanted more. The same went for Christie and Gleason on the First Order side. I imagine they're going to flesh them out in the sequels.

Second issue was that it really was just about the exact same film as A New Hope. Just about all the same story beats and everything. Hey, I get it, the first one worked for a reason, so there's something to be said for following that template to introduce a new generation to this stuff. But it's part of the reason why I didn't feel much about this new version of the Death Star, although I will admit a Death Planet that create energy by destroying stars in pretty cool. But then the X-Wings fighting to blow the thing up was fairly lackluster. Like, there was very little of the tension that was in the same sequence in A New Hope.

But I did enjoy it and will be seeing it again. A few times. I've heard there's a theater in San Jose where they're showing it in 70mm (the only place west of Iowa where they're doing it), so I'm going to find a way to check it out. If nothing else, I went to catch it in my favorite movie house in Oakland, rather than a multiplex (where I saw it last night).

One more note that's neither negative or positive: Watching this made me feel really old. Or, more specifically, seeing Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, and Mark Hamil in this film made me feel really old. These are literally the first heroes of my youth, and seeing them hobble around the screen, after years of hard living, was... something else.

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26. "A Newer Hope but still pretty dope"
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The family tree was confusing me too for bit but yall did a good job of breakin it down here...kudos

  

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50. "After a 2nd viewing I'm changing my family tree stance"
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I think Rey is Luke's daughter now too

  

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28. "It's very good "
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Best Harrison Ford performance in a looooong time. I had a feeling he'd eat it but it still hurt my inner child when he ate it.

The entire cast is great. There's some lazy storytelling in how they set up the finale but I never lost interest or looked at my watch.

  

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29. "kylo ren as an unlikeable villian "crescendoed" to pretty good"
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he seemed pretty garden variety in the first act and most of the second.

oh yay, a black mask, black hood and altered voice. how evil.

but his mask-less interrogation scene with rey really exposed him for to a petulant, insecure little sith. he couldn't break her and even cried. cried!

then killing his father in such a fucked up way (the whole theater cringed as solo's lifeless corpse fell into the abyss) really put him over the top.

so it's basically ren vs. luke in the episode VIII duel, right?

(also, rey lightweight entertained the dark side for a hot second there. something to keep on eye on.)

  

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32. "my whole theater had zero reaction to this cause we all saw it"
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coming

>
>then killing his father in such a fucked up way (the whole
>theater cringed as solo's lifeless corpse fell into the abyss)
>really put him over the top.
>

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33. "RE: my whole theater had zero reaction to this cause we all saw it"
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again, it's how he went out. (kinda felt like a motif of cloud city and luke's fall btw)

solo inherently dying was telegraphed when ren played proverbial possum then wouldn't let go of the lightsaber.

  

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54. "It was telegraphed when he walked out on the bridge"
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There were enough other unpredictable moments so I didn't mind too much

>again, it's how he went out. (kinda felt like a motif of
>cloud city and luke's fall btw)
>
>solo inherently dying was telegraphed when ren played
>proverbial possum then wouldn't let go of the lightsaber.
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126. "when he handed over the trigger I was like "oh this is it""
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30. "I'm sure i would have LOVED this movie if i hadnt already seen IV"
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visually it was great and i loved the family dynamic running thru out (i'm thinking that rey will indeed end up being revealed as Luke's daughter and Kylo's first cousin and not Kylo's sister)

but the rehash of basically the same exact plot of new hope was just too on the nose for me. It all comes down to my expectations, i was looking for this to be a new chapter to an epic not a redo/reboot of a chapter that already occured

i mean the plot and details were exactly the same just different characters in the slots

orphan with hidden abilities on dusty sand planet discovers droid with life saving info stored on it and decides to help get that info into the right hands

then they encounter an old timer who knows the back story that can help them with their quest (obi won in 4 and han in 7).

then its the resistance (which looks exactly like the rebel alliance, which correct me if im wrong won the war and re-established the republic but are now inexplicably a separate entity from the republic....:-/) verses the remnants of the empire (now the first order i didnt mind because that make sense that that side wouldnt be comletely wiped out)

then the empire/first order has this planet busting weapon that just has one weak spot that needs xwing pilots to destroy

a lot of sneaking around on an empire/first order vessel evading storm troopers

and a final death of the older timer as his loved ones look on (again obi in 4 and han in 7, and like everyone didnt see han's death the second he stepped on that bridge)

I mean they even had ANOTHER FUCKING TRENCH....i was waiting for one of the pilots to say "stay on target, stay on target"

the one unique character, the reformed storm trooper was too goofy scary for my liking, i wouldnt him to be a bad ass who had done terrible things and just reached his breaking point instead of someone who just wanted to run away

i wont say this movie was horrible but it was a big let down, i wanted to be pulled into a new plot and i wasnt

my fav part was the fight between kylo and rey and the family tree elements

otherwise meh

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244. "RE: I'm sure i would have LOVED this movie if i hadnt already seen IV"
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My thoughts almost exactly...wanted so much more...

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37. "If Finn is going to be this generation's Han..."
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JJ needs to fix some stuff with the "oh hell no" crap with that guy; you can be comic relief and romantic bad-ass without having to be nearly slap-stick, bumbling idiot (SEE HERE THE CHARACTER THAT HE'S REPLACING, MORE OR LESS). And he turned heel to run away so quickly for what appeared to be little to no reason. He knew what he was getting into up until when? I can't recall what turned him from trying to get BB8 back to running scared dude.

Odd complaint, maybe, but I wanted more info about Poe. He's the best pilot, he somehow got home, he and Finn are best buddies now (apparently), he's the master of BB8 and he was the ultimate hero/death-blow deliverer at the end...is he just Wedge 2.0 or is he actually a character?

The alien things that Han was smuggling seemed awfully too MIB-ish, and the CGI of Slope or whatever was difficult to get behind too.


All that said, highly enjoyable and the plot and 90% of the writing felt really at home with the originals while being relevant to today.

Side note: some dude that hadn't seen it yet was trying to tell me the next one is going to be all about Han. Took everything in my power not to ruin his day.

  

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40. "RE: If Finn is going to be this generation's Han..."
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>JJ needs to fix some stuff with the "oh hell no" crap with
>that guy

Quick note: it's not going to be J.J. anymore after this film. He was brought on for one-shot deal. Rian Johnson (Looper, Brick) is writing the next two movies (and directing episode VIII)

>Odd complaint, maybe, but I wanted more info about Poe. He's
>the best pilot, he somehow got home, he and Finn are best
>buddies now (apparently), he's the master of BB8 and he was
>the ultimate hero/death-blow deliverer at the end...is he just
>Wedge 2.0 or is he actually a character?

I definitely agree here. He was talked-up as one of the three stars of the new trilogy, but had very little to work with. Seems like they want him to be a combination of Han and Luke, which would make him the second Han and Luke combo in the film. Hell, actually all three of them. Regardless, I imagine he gets developed more in the next movie.

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41. "I hope so; Oscar Isaac is wasted if not given more to do"
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And I was really happy they didn't take Brienne of Tarth's mask off for some "see, SEE?" pop-culture nod thing. I just knew without knowing that was her.

  

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49. "I didnt know that was her"
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59. "The voice was very recognizable...what I didn't kno was Lupita"
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Was that yoda like female in the bar, until after the film was over

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44. "Seems he should've taken them to the Reisstance"
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Maybe they just wanted to bring Han in earlier.

  

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168. "He was a plot device in this film; was supposed to die."
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Instead of having the droids play the message (which would just look like a map and not seem that big) we need someone to explain what it is and give Finn a reason to team with Rey. And then, because we don't have a fighter pilot, we need to bring him back so we can have someone we care about bombing the Death Star Planet.

In fact, he was supposed to die in that opening scene.

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42. "Liked it, didn't love it. Mainly cuz of the predictability already menti..."
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I loved the familiarity of the characters and scenes.

Boyega was great in it. I think that dude is gonna be a star.

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55. "finn was the shit."
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boyega's performance was dope (reminded me of young denzel in certain scenes) and he had some of the best dialogue in the picture.

smh @ ppl being mad that he was funny.

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The funny parts were good. I liked that he wasn't a one dimensional hero. He did heroic shit, but was also on some I'm getting the fuck outta here.

Plus trying to holler at the chick.

Man he was my favorite character in the whole flick.

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120. "Finn is the only one who acts like an actual person"
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Other than Han

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43. "This shit coulda been called Phantom Menace"
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Because Kylo Ren's gonna turn good.
The bad guys in this one are the underlings. We haven't even seen the big bad yet...so it's like the big bad is a phantom menace...

I have a 400 year old chip on my shoulder.

  

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46. "I loved it. I can't fully rank it yet because i want to see it again"
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Non 3D tho. I hate 3D its so useless, hurts the eyes and its just never good

I love the originals but this was done way better overall, obviously because of how technology is today it was easier for them to pull off. I think too many people will hold on to their nostalgic feelings and rank it under 4-5-6 but its better IMO. I get history trumps reality but the reality is...its just done better. Theres very few problems with this one, even less than the original. I dont' mind the similarities to 4 because this is an introduction and passing the torch moment for the franchise to get rid of most of the original cast and have it focused around these new ones so its great that they lead with this storyline.

  

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Rey used the force to get the saber. gat damn.

  

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48. "Imma say 3rd best behind Empire and Revenge"
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A worthy entry

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51. "I liked it a lot"
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First - Arclight fucked up the lens so the aspect ration wasn't quite right - but I let it go. (I did email them after, maybe they comp some passes so I can see it projected correctly.)

The from the ground view of Poe Dameron's rampage on the First Order's aircraft and ground troops was greta to see. We'd never gotten that type of view before.

I like Rey and Finn a lot.

People saying "Why is Finn such a mess and yelling and nervous?" I think it's because he panicked and had to get away - he's REACTING to his environment and not using his head much.

When the Tie Fighter was swallowed by the sands - I liked that.

Lie's theme playing as Leia hugs Rey - that was great too.

Rey's accurate vision of the future shows she might be more powerful than Luke was.

I only wish Han wouldn't have gone out like that. I know Harrison Ford must have demanded it - but the second he said his son's name I knew he was dead.

I'll definitely end up seeing at least 1 more time in the theatre.

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110. "It was also the first time Finn was making decisions for himself"
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Dude was following orders his entire life. Not surprising that he'd be nervous and out of his depth when entering the real world for the first time. I was hoping that there'd be a bad aim joke in there (maybe Omar Isaac's character has to tell him to use the targeting and not shoot blindly or something).

There might have been one or two too many bumbling Finn jokes but it didn't cross the line for me. (And all of his stuff with BB8 was great. Maybe one of my favorite parts in the movie.)

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52. "I really liked it BUT"
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1) it better start to diverge from the original trilogy in episode 8. Stuff is just way too similar

2) there better be a damn good reason why Luke's Jedi School 1.0 failed. If it's because Snyde is actually Palpatine' s boss, fine, I can get down with that. But if they make Luke into yoda 2.0, just chillin and being a sad failure on a deserted island, I will be sooooo mad.

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60. "a lot of y'all are saying y'all really liked it but...."
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>1) it better start to diverge from the original trilogy in
>episode 8. Stuff is just way too similar
>
The plot was completely unoriginal. Are y'all just not wanting to admit to urselves that it was a bit of a let down.


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64. "Nah, I can dig it but still be worried"
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I mostly agree with Longo. It's great for setting up the franchise, the actions sequences were tight, and they managed the first part of the transition to the new generation pretty well. But as a Star Wars obsessive, I can still recognize the plot holes and worry about where we're headed

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66. "Yeah at this point there shouldnt be a film 'setting up a franchise'"
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Or laying the table for episodes 8 and 9. This a well established franchise at the back end. Introduce the new characters and a new purpose/goal for them (which they kinda did with the goal of bringing Luke back into the fold) but don't just reimagine the plot of an earlier franchise episode

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73. "Re: the action... it's not great, honestly. Prequels have better action."
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It's effective enough, but nothing special. There have been multiple action movies in 2015 alone with better action.

Abrams is waaaaaay way better at character, which makes this movie far more enjoyable in general than the prequels, but nothing in this approaches the quality of the action in the prequels except *maybe* the final light saber battle... but even then, that battle only really has weight due to character, not because it's especially brilliantly shot. That light saber battle, in terms of quality, obviously doesn't sniff either the Darth Maul light saber fight or the Yoda light saber fight, just off the top of my head.

Lucas was absolutely terrible at character and story, but his action, just from a technical perspective, is pretty top-notch. I did sort of miss that here-- Star Wars has been known for having some epic action, and this action was all mostly workmanlike (and there was that awful action sequence with the CGI octopi... ugh).

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197. "But good action scenes are more than just technical achievement"
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They make you feel like you're there and they mean something because you're invested in the story. The prequels just had technical masturbation.

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114. "Mos DEF, JJ's Star Trek is much better than JJ's Star Wars"
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much more enjoyable. Liked both. but SW was just too much of a reboot with out being called a reboot

>>1) it better start to diverge from the original trilogy in
>>episode 8. Stuff is just way too similar
>>
>The plot was completely unoriginal. Are y'all just not wanting
>to admit to urselves that it was a bit of a let down.
>
>
>Star Trek reboot>>>>>>>>>>>episode 7

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117. "That's all I'm saying "
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>much more enjoyable. Liked both. but SW was just too much of
>a reboot with out being called a reboot
>
>>>1) it better start to diverge from the original trilogy in
>>>episode 8. Stuff is just way too similar
>>>
>>
>

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119. "JJ's Star Trek was criticized for not being Star Trek enough"
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So he made a Star Wars the way everyone loved Star Wars
and cats hate on that too

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259. "^^ Pretty much. Lose lose with both franchises"
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I can understand why they had to make ST an action film, and understand why a number of fans hated JJ because of it. With SW I can see why they chose the 'safe' path and made it a rehash of New Hope, as it gives a new generation a start point much like their parents, takes a big swig of nostalgia juice for those old enough to remember the original trilogy, and does its damnedest to undo make you forget the bad taste of the prequels. Mind you, it doesn't excuse the lightweight story, but it explains the direction it took

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58. "Very mediocre until I see 8 and 9. "
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This was obviously a table setter going in but the writing felt very empty in regard to the three main characters, particularly Rey since she's clearly the centerpiece.

It's clear this was approached with a loving hand with heavy nods toward ANH, but it was too heavy if you ask me. I'm cool with getting a sense of history repeating itself but they lined up too many elements far too closely for my tastes.

One element I was very grateful for- particularly in relation to eps 1-3- is that this wasn't bogged down with 45 minutes of political minutiae. I can take or leave Kylo Ren/Adam Driver. There was nothing especially bad about him but neither was there anything remarkable about him. He's just kind of there to me.

For now there wasn't enough building of this new SW world or it's new heroes for a movie that seemed primarily intent on world building and introducing new heroes, but there's enough here that this might well wind up a very good first act within the greater context of the trilogy.

  

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80. "I think the building of the new characters was excellent"
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You have to remember they can have only so much time as this film is also about passing the torch and letting go of the old cast so those guys have to have enough screen time. Killing Han makes room for Luke. I think we will only see 2 or 1 of Chewie, R2, C3P0, or Leia stick around by the end of the ep9. Not that they will all die but some will just go away. I hope there's less of find OG cast in the next one other than Luke.

I didn't get bored once during this movie. I fail to see where people say it lags. I call bullshit

  

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95. "You call bullshit on an opinion? Okay, player. "
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>You have to remember they can have only so much time as this
>film is also about passing the torch and letting go of the old
>cast so those guys have to have enough screen time.

Yes. I realize this. Hence, the bit about me waiting to see where it fits in with the next two to properly evaluate how I feel about this. the circumstances and what they were trying to do doesn't change how I feel about the way they executed that vision.

>I didn't get bored once during this movie. I fail to see where
>people say it lags. I call bullshit

Cool. You didn't get bored. I was bored by a lot of it. It was pretty slow to me. It's hilariou that you "call bullshit" on that.

I call bullshit over stans who catch feelings and call "call bullshit" when others see it differently.

I usually "call bullshit" when objectively viewed facts do not support the opinion (sports is great for this), not when the opinion is subjective in nature.

If, for example, one said Luke hogged up too much screen time, that would be objectively false. It's an opinion that does not bear out in the facts that he was only in the film at the very end and only for a minute. Not much room for discussion.

If, for example, one says that Rey's story wasn't all that well executed, that's subjective and there is plenty of room for discussion.

If, for example, I said I don't buy Fin remotely holding his own against Kylo, ostensibly a reasonably well trained Sith, to say nothing of Rey even with her raw abilities, well that's a subjective opinion that does have some weight based on the facts at hand.

Not sure how you're "calling bullshit" on a very subjective element. You weren't bored, great, but calling "bullshit" on someone who was is just plain silly.

  

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106. "Kylo isn't a sith yet"
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>If, for example, I said I don't buy Fin remotely holding his
>own against Kylo, ostensibly a reasonably well trained Sith,
>to say nothing of Rey even with her raw abilities, well that's
>a subjective opinion that does have some weight based on the
>facts at hand.

Which is why Fin held his own against him, and is why when he was defeated and rescued before the plant blew up Snoke said he needs to complete his training.

He's powerful in the force, which is why he stopped that laser mid air, but for now he's not fully as trained as a young Luke and Vadar. I suspect he'll gain more power and more ability with his light saber in the future films.

I also call bullshit on some of the nip picking though, seeing as this is the first part to a new trilogy.

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273. "That still doesn't hold. No way Finn should have been able to hang. "
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Again... depending on what develops from here I may come back and view things differently. If Finn turns out to also have some serious Force sensitivity and Ren was purposely holding back due to his inner conflicts, I may look at this slightly different but for now? NOPE. Even after a second viewing last night... No way in hell.

Even if he still needed some training to become an official Sith, Kylo should have plowed through Finn. Rey is a different story and I've come around on her because she appears to be a Skywalker as she's following a suspiciously familiar pattern for that family and the more I think about it I can easily see her being ridiculously powerful without a second of actual training by the way she was written.

>I also call bullshit on some of the nip picking though, seeing
>as this is the first part to a new trilogy.

I call bullshit on the term "nip", since the phrase is "nit picking", as in searching for lice in a child's hair.

All jokes aside, these details aren't nitpicking. It's the first in a new trilogy and many were hoping for something a little more developed story wise to get the ball rolling. We didn't quite get that and people love it as is so what's the big deal?

  

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116. "Kylo vs Finn/Rey"
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Remember he got gutted by Chewie's bowcaster, that would probably have left him a little weak in his fight against Finn and Rey.

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121. "Dude was bleeding to death + not that nice to begin with"
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Nothing wrong with that scene

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274. "I forgot about the shot from Chewy. In that case he's just weak as fuck "
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Just plain weak.

Even injured he should have mopped the floor with Finn.

As I said, I may come back and see certain things differently depending on the way 8 and 9 pan out.

  

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172. "Don't make excuses. It was medicore"
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61. "who was the old guy on tattoine, I mean jukka that Oscar Isaac got the "
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Death Star plans, I mean the map to find Luke from? In the beginning?

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65. "my theory is that Luke got a secret Jedi coven"
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Scattered throughout the Galaxy. That dude was one. Lupita is another,

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62. "fuck this movie....."
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Han shouldn't have gone out in some cringey semi-fetal mess. He's from the world of backstabbers and conniving assholes. He knows what the Dark Side is and what it can do to people.

Not to mention, he's arguably the most swagged out character ever committed to film. That scene could've been stronger but you know....that film was more into lifting A New Hope to think of a fresh sendoff for Han Solo.

  

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111. "You explained why that's the only way he should die "
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His son should be the only one who kills him.

  

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141. "I just feel a character like Han Solo should go out like a boss...."
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The average Star Wars viewer didn't have the same attachment to Obi-Wan in A New Hope because that was the first film. Han, on the other hand, has been a well-loved character for almost 40 years. Even if Kylo Ren has to be the one who does it, let Han get another line or something in there on the way out.

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144. "that would've been od cheesy."
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68. "I really enjoyed it..."
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I almost cried when Hans died. I was low key shocked. I mean obviously one of them was dying in that moment and it was going to be Ben.

I feel like Rey is Luke's child. But being a twin to Ben would make sense too. Because I think Ben is the failed jedi that Luke was training...

Wish there was more dialogue/explanation BUT seeing as how this is a reintroduction, I'm sure the next movie will be amazing and fulfill most of the gripes in this thread

  

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220. "What do you mean think? "
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>I feel like Rey is Luke's child. But being a twin to Ben would
>make sense too. Because I think Ben is the failed jedi that
>Luke was training...
>
>Wish there was more dialogue/explanation BUT seeing as how
>this is a reintroduction, I'm sure the next movie will be
>amazing and fulfill most of the gripes in this thread
>

What do you mean think? Didn't they flat out say that Ben was the bad apple? Did you not are the entire conversation between Leia and Han?

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235. "They didn't"
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The movie told us that that Luke quit after a student betrayed the Jedi
The movie told us that Ben/Kylo trained with Luke.

They didn't make the connection 100%. Odds are that's the case, but they gave themselves enough wiggleroom where it could still be a third character (maybe Ben went dark after the other jedi went nuts etc).



>
>>I feel like Rey is Luke's child. But being a twin to Ben
>would
>>make sense too. Because I think Ben is the failed jedi that
>>Luke was training...
>>
>>Wish there was more dialogue/explanation BUT seeing as how
>>this is a reintroduction, I'm sure the next movie will be
>>amazing and fulfill most of the gripes in this thread
>>
>
>What do you mean think? Didn't they flat out say that Ben was
>the bad apple? Did you not are the entire conversation between
>Leia and Han?

  

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241. "what about the convo between han/leia though?"
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this is going off of just one viewing, but didn't that conversation make it seem like it WAS ben? han questioning how he could reach ben when luke couldn't?

that's what i got from it when watching. i'll probably see it one more time before it leaves the theater so i'll make sure to pay attention to this point.

>The movie told us that that Luke quit after a student
>betrayed the Jedi
>The movie told us that Ben/Kylo trained with Luke.
>
>They didn't make the connection 100%. Odds are that's the
>case, but they gave themselves enough wiggleroom where it
>could still be a third character (maybe Ben went dark after
>the other jedi went nuts etc).
>
>
>
>>
>>>I feel like Rey is Luke's child. But being a twin to Ben
>>would
>>>make sense too. Because I think Ben is the failed jedi that
>>>Luke was training...
>>>
>>>Wish there was more dialogue/explanation BUT seeing as how
>>>this is a reintroduction, I'm sure the next movie will be
>>>amazing and fulfill most of the gripes in this thread
>>>
>>
>>What do you mean think? Didn't they flat out say that Ben
>was
>>the bad apple? Did you not are the entire conversation
>between
>>Leia and Han?
>

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329. "i actually agree with you..."
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and it's my belief that Ben was the bad apple that caused Luke to bounce...but like BigReg said it wasn't explicitly said, it's moreso implied. And my friend made an argument that it might not be so since we don't know for sure, I will say I THINK...because again, like Reg said they left that wiggle room so they can always change how they are going later. it could be the person who got to Ben was the one who went rogue.

  

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69. "i wanted to love it but I didn't..."
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- overall I felt like it moved kinda slow....

- like others have said I wasn't feeling the whole ANH remix down to the Death Star/Death Planet destruction

- I'm probably the minority but I didn't like the old characters having major roles, old ass Han Solo stumbling around, walking out on that bridge to his certain death, Leia had some weird ass jersey accent, then cracked out Mark Hamill at the end, they could've let those characters be and spent more time fleshing out the new ones.

-Kylo, is he a Sith? Don't they always come in 2's? Who trained him? How are Fin, a regular dude, and Rey, an untrained Jedi able to last more than a second in a light saber battle with him?

- Fin, I thought he was going to be a Jedi...and I thought all the storm troopers were clones of Boba Fett? Like others have said he could've been a little less buffoonish

- Rey, overall she's cool, I feel like they're trying to reel that hunger games crowd in. I thought her use of the force developed a little too quickly...

- Lupita was wasted

I definitely need to see it again...

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71. "RE: i wanted to love it but I didn't..."
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Kylo most likely isn't a Sith and even if he is the rule of two would have died with Palpatine and Vader. Besides the rule of two was just something created by Bane because he was scared of all them up and comers. Its easier to watch one greedy power hungry apprentice than 20.

Jury is still out on if Finn will be force sensitive or not. Secondly, Storm Troopers haven't been clones in quite some time, remember they had accelerated aging that pretty much gave them short life spans. Once they began to die out they were replaced with regular ol' humans.


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76. "when was this revealed in the films?"
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>Secondly, Storm Troopers haven't been clones in quite some
>time, remember they had accelerated aging that pretty much
>gave them short life spans. Once they began to die out they
>were replaced with regular ol' humans.
>
>
>

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85. "Clone Wars tv show"
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It's canon.

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72. "Kylo isnt the finished article yet."
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Thats why they can square up with him.

He has immense power (stopped that laser cold) but he cant control it and his internal struggle makes his force control iffy.

I expect him to be a terror in the 2nd flick

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79. "It's was also an homage"
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It's an homage to the 2nd draft of the original Star Wars that was titled: "Adventures of the Starkiller, Episode One: The Star Wars"

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75. "Another thing, I wish Adam Driver was never on &quot;Girls&quot;..."
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Cuz after he took off the mask and started crying I kept expecting a naked pasty bad tattooed Lena Dunham to show up on that bridge with him and Han and do some doofy dance.

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77. "he didn't do enuff sans mask to make me forget his girls character eithe..."
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I didn't want another helmeted villain but once he took his mask off he became less believable and I took him less seriously...he didn't really regain me until the fight with Rey...like when he killed Han I kept expecting him to laugh and be like just kidding kid

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78. "Thats why Kylo wears the mask tho"
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Thats the point. He a softshouldered lil bitch trying to live up to what he thinks his legacy is.

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83. "True and that's all well and good. But I want to think of a soft shoulde..."
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Weakling that's the son of Han and leia not of Hanna horbath's doofy boyfriend

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113. "I couldn't hear him as anything but Adam. "
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As soon as he took off the mask I thought he was going to say "you think I'm bad don't you" or whatever the shit Adam said while jerking off (I've seen one episode of girls)

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122. "I've never seen Driver in my life prior to Force Awakens"
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So question yourself for watching that dumbass 'Girls'
shit

Didn't know dudes watched that

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131. "http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kareem-abduljabbar/girls-review_b_2593756...."
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kareem-abduljabbar/girls-review_b_2593756.html

I wouldn't suggest watching it, cuz it's not good. My lady likes it and it comes on HBO.

Driver was good in that Baumbach movie and Llewyn Davis

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86. "^^^THIS and that's why its perfect"
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he can't be menacing, that's not his real path. Thats why he kept having trouble and saying "i still feel the light". He's not a bad person but he's trying to be something he's not. He needs the mask in order for that to work because he's really just a clown/dork.

I don't watch Girls tho so my view of him is in no way skewed.

  

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81. "It was fine. Tough to be great with so many balls to juggle"
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I agree with most of the issues above.

I was a bit let down when I realized that it was New Hope 2.0 (and I saw a headline called The Incomprehensible Politics of Force Awakens and agree that I never quite grasped. Why would The Republic have to pretend they weren't fighting The First Order?)

Mostly though, there were too many places to check-in to really fashion a great movie. I'd really love to know what Michael Arndt's take on it was. But the characters were all fairly superficial so it was tough for me to get THAT invested outside of the "Well, I like the franchise so I'll go with it."

Abrams isn't an action director and, as noted above, this film had too many characters for him to really work what he's good at. I'm a huge fan of Oscar Isaac but he felt out of place to me and his character was basically the cocky pilot.

All in all, I enjoyed myself. Can't imagine I'll watch it again.

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84. "!!!!"
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>
>
>I was a bit let down when I realized that it was New Hope 2.0
>(and I saw a headline called The Incomprehensible Politics of
>Force Awakens and agree that I never quite grasped. Why would
>The Republic have to pretend they weren't fighting The First
>Order?)
>

All of this

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88. "I need a spreadsheet for this"
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>>>(and I saw a headline called The Incomprehensible Politics of Force Awakens and agree that I never quite grasped. Why would The Republic have to pretend they weren't fighting The First Order?)


like I don't want to get boggeddown in BS like the prequels, but wtf tho?

who is on what side and what weapons do they have?

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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272. "Yeah, I was left thinking a lot about the politics"
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Because the First Order is dedicated to crushing the New Republic (they can't keep using that name, right?) So why would they have to be secret supporters of the Resistance?

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82. "I thought it was thrilling. Second best after Empire."
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I really did think everything was done so perfectly. When Rey and Finn turn and see the Falcon, that was a moment. When Leia first saw Han, that was a moment. When Rey gets the lightsaber, that was THE moment.

I can't see this again soon enough and I'm surprised at the lukewarm response of almost everyone in his thread, but people are entitled to their own opinions of course.

  

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98. "I'm with you. I loved it."
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that being said, the jaded yawny reaction round these parts doesn’t surprise me one bit. nothing less or more than i expected. can't please everyone.


>I can't see this again soon enough and I'm surprised at the
>lukewarm response of almost everyone in his thread, but people
>are entitled to their own opinions of course.

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99. "That was why I wanted to see it opening night...."
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for those moments when the theater cheered at what was going on on screen, folks cheering when they saw Leia and then cheering louder when they saw 3PO, cheering when Han and Chewie stepped onto the Falcon, cheering when they realized the "garbage" was the Millenium Falcon, all great moments to share with a group of true fans.....



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That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
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201. "that's how i feel"
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87. "Where's the 'I had it my sister had it you have it' Luke VO from trailer..."
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That wasn't in this and that to me implies Rey is Luke's kid

  

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91. "Yeah they left some shit out. My fav part of the trailer"
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Why kylo rolls up on them in the snow woods with the mask on and turns his lightsaber on

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92. "The VO is from RotJ and Mark Hamil re-recorded it specifically for the"
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trailer. It was never meant to be in the movie.




A list of some of the things that were in the trailer but not in the movie.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/all-the-stuff-from-the-force-awakens-trailers-that-wasn-1748720944

  

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104. "Oh shit my bad. I feel dumb now. Thanks for the link!"
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94. "Saw a 2nd time today"
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took my 9 year old son. I loved it even more this time I think, think the buildup for the first time I was slightly disappointed but knowing what happens this time around made me just enjoy everything as it is.

My son thinks its the best Star Wars yet, not really surprising to me, young viewers are gonna eat this up more than us old heads who have seen the trilogy a bazillion times.

  

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96. "I'm glad I went to see this twice before coming into this post...."
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the way y'all are talking, I wonder if y'all ever enjoy anything y'all watch....



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97. "I'm sayin - like what exactly did everyone hope for? "
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This thing is a classic

  

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100. "I've spend the last 4 weeks....."
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watching episodes 1 through 6 with my 10 year old who had never seen them, to see his face light up when that Star Wars logo hit the screen and the theme music start up, those are the moments you live for as a dad, we saw it last night and when it was over he turned around asked "can we see it again tomorrow?", and we were right back at the theater this morning for the early matinee. The homages and similarities to A New Hope didnt detract from The Force Awakens to me at all.....




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101. "RE: I've spend the last 4 weeks....."
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Yep, seeing with my son made it even better today. I get some of the complaints but man, it is freaking awesome seeing a quality Star Wars flick after all these years.

Also, 95% RT score says most are in agreement.

  

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105. "RE: I've spend the last 4 weeks....."
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>when it was over he turned around asked "can we see it again
>tomorrow?", and we were right back at the theater this morning
>for the early matinee.

love this!

  

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103. "I think people are being pretty clear on what they thought. "
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I'm not seeing a ton of negative reviews of the film as a whole.

I'm seeing a ton of elements that people didn't care for, thought could be done better, or, in some cases, plain didn't like.

Let's not act like this is some mass slaughter of the film.

  

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212. "Yeah. Not to mention these replies don't address the critiques at all"
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It's okay to love the movies, but folks acting like the critiques aren't valid without offering any counterpoints only make the critiques look more justified.

Just IMO though.

  

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214. "People have decided to love it, no matter how shitty it is. "
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It's just one of those things

People decide something, they aren't letting up,
they aren't going to listen

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102. "I've seen over 100 movies this year. Enjoyed roughly 70-75 of them."
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And I enjoyed this as well. I don't think pointing out some of the pretty inarguable flaws is proof that people "don't enjoy anything."

In fact, much of this post is populated with people who acknowledge the flaws but still say they enjoyed it.

Not to single out your reply, because you're far from the only one who says this in response to anyone who said anything bad about this (or Marvel, or DC, or Jurassic World for some people, or etc.). The first argument I always hear if critical of anything popular and/or tied to nostalgia like this is: "Boy, you people don't enjoy ANYTHING, huh?"

I stopped being a critic because I was accused of enjoying waaaaay too much, lol. Pointing out a film's flaws and enjoying the film as a whole aren't mutually exclusive.

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107. "Man"
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I expected it so it is what it is

I enjoyed it a bunch, and honestly this is my top 2 or 3 Star Wars films.

Me and the kid will be back in the theater Monday to see this one again. Feel like they did an amazing job.

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108. "I'm over it: Star Wars just isn't the place for great mythology"
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There will never be "magic" again.

That is over with.

Too many hands in the pot. Too many mouths to feed.

All we can hope for is good, fun, enjoyable movies.

And Episode 7 was just that.

There will be awesome moments, and charismatic
characters.

But if you want to read something magical, there's
hundreds of authors dreaming shit up at your local
bookstore. Lose yourself in that.

Hell, lose yourself in the extended Star Wars universe
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219. "for me, the magic/myth is in more than just the single movie"
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it's in my 9 y.o daughter saying "i don't think kylo ren realizes that darth vader turns good at the end", or both my girls arguing about who gets to be rey and which one of them has to be rey's sister (and these are girls who saw frozen three times but never played elsa/anna).

so yeah, there might be some blinders on for those of us in the previous star wars generation. but as a movie that reintroduces the world and bridges the gap and makes my kids fall in love with star wars, in a way that the prequels never did, i will gladly take it.

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229. "I am FINE WITH THAT. And GOOD FOR YOU and your fam. "
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>it's in my 9 y.o daughter saying "i don't think kylo ren
>realizes that darth vader turns good at the end", or both my
>girls arguing about who gets to be rey and which one of them
>has to be rey's sister (and these are girls who saw frozen
>three times but never played elsa/anna).
>
>so yeah, there might be some blinders on for those of us in
>the previous star wars generation. but as a movie that
>reintroduces the world and bridges the gap and makes my kids
>fall in love with star wars, in a way that the prequels never
>did, i will gladly take it.

GOOD FOR YOU. I'm SERIOUS.

My issue is this:

Everything you experienced can also be done with Gossip Girl.

And tons of other shitty little stories in shitty TV shows
and movies all over the TV universe.

If THAT IS WHAT STAR WARS HAS BECOME, then FINE!

If we admit that, we've conceded my major point.

It's not a storyline for interesting or compelling writing
and directing.

It's designed to for a bunch of random fun things to happen
on a screen.

I can roll with that. The only issue is this: I would just
as well have that experience with many many many other
sci fi or TV outfits that give me just as much joy, because
they are written better. The only thing they lack is the
nostalgia.

We forget that mythology is as old as human beings are. We
love all that shit because it's fascinating and telling and
connects with us in a lot of special ways.

That's what Beowulf was. And Dracula. And a lot of Samuarai
shit. And a lot of Egyptian shit. And some Malian Shit.

This ain't that.

This for some Jerry Springer set in space shit.

And FINE.



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234. "i can certainly appreciate your point"
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i just read the Dune series for the first time ever, because i was craving some of that deeper, mythological sci fi. but that's not what i was looking for with episode 8 (nor is that always what i'm looking for when i read).


>My issue is this:
>
>Everything you experienced can also be done with Gossip Girl.
>
>
>And tons of other shitty little stories in shitty TV shows
>and movies all over the TV universe.

if you mean there's a bunch of shallow, easily digestible stuff that is also fun to watch with my kids, sure. although gossip girl wouldn't be that.

but i'm talking specifically about something that i grew up with, enjoyed immensely, and am able to pass on to my kids in a way that isn't overbearing or trying to shove things down their throat. if episode 8 has my kids already calling back to episodes 4, 5, & 6; or leads to them reading some of the star wars books, then i'm willing to forgive some of it's fan service.

but i also think that it didn't need to go deep into star wars mythology. that mythology is already there and the fans that care are aware of it. and i would gladly take just a shallow dip into mythology vs. the explanation of midichlorians any day. i also expect that we will get more of it in episode 9, assuming that luke's search for the original jedi temple wasn't just a throwaway plot point.


>If THAT IS WHAT STAR WARS HAS BECOME, then FINE!
>
>If we admit that, we've conceded my major point.
>
>It's not a storyline for interesting or compelling writing
>and directing.

i agree that in an ideal world, every star wars movie would be a combination of great writing, great character, great story, and great direction. but sometimes we have to settle for a bit less. in this case, i'm settling for interesting characters (most of the new ones), a fun space romp, some comedy, a little drama, and a set up for episode 9.

as to the jerry springer in space, lucas started all of that back when he decided to make leia luke's sister, after the love-triangle of episode 4. and i'm surprised that you praise mythology but bemoan some of the jerry springer aspects. i mean, oedipus alone would be enough. but you have fratricide with cain and abel or set and osiris; loki dressing thor in drag (when he is not trying to sleep with thor's wife); the tale of potiphar's wife. there is huge melodrama in mythology.




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109. "saw the first in 77 as a kid..this was what longtime oldass fans wanted"
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and what we thought the Phantom menace was going to be

this was very satisfying..only two-three minor irritants




>Quite possible this might get locked, BUT....
>
>Here's a thread where you can put spoilers and your own
>reviews (that will contain spoilers) for The Force Awakens.
>
>Let's not spoil any other threads - people will be bummed.

  

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115. "what did the Supreme Leader say at the end?"
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a speaker blew so the for the last few minutes some of the dialogue was difficult to pick up.

  

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118. "RE: what did the Supreme Leader say at the end?"
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He told the General to pick up Kylo Ren and bring him to him to complete his training.

  

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136. "He said, "so we're getting to the real story in the next one?""
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I have a 400 year old chip on my shoulder.

  

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140. "lmao"
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prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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289. "thank you"
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123. "Force Awakens remixes EU - I like this article, good points"
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2015/12/16/how_the_force_awakens_remixes_the_star_wars_expanded_universe.html

  

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145. "Saying Snoke is based on Thrawn is a stretch"
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I'd be fairly shocked if Abrams or Kennedy looked at much EU stuff when figuring Force Awakens out. Most of the ideas mentioned just feel like the natural continuations of the original trilogies ideas/characters.

  

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150. "Abrams didn't read any of that shit. "
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Him and a bunch of dudes just made a bunch of shitty
decisions at a table

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238. "Man, your inner child is PISSED"
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Again, it's a movie. Not a time machine.

  

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239. "Your outer child misses Jar Jar Binks"
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Nerd

  

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124. "seen it 2x."
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loved it.
no, it's not cinematic perfection, but neither are any of the OG trilogy.

it's fucking great though.

of the stuff I'm most impressed with, the casting/acting is on point.

I only truly appreciated it on the second viewing when I wasn't so worried about missing something.

Fisher and Ford both brought it.
the one criticism I'll levy is that on second viewing, there's a lot of han solo gazing/screentime/nostalgia, although it's understandable because you ain't getting any more after this.


Boyega? Killed. Even better on the second viewing. His role came off far less slapsticky and I appreciated it more.

Ridley? Mannnnn, so many times I watch a movie and i'm like "out of the billion white women trying to act, you picked THIS ONE that can't act? for why?" none of that here, she pulled it off. If people have issues I don't know what they are.

Isaac been known as a good actor, did a lot with very little screen time, I have nothing to add.

I haven't really read any of the reviews so I dunno if people have talked about it, but Domnhall Gleeson deserves some shout outs, cuz I never figured him for a Star Wars bad guy but he did the damn thing. I like him as an actor but I wouldn't have figured he would play that character so well.

I thought Adam Driver held the character up as it was supposed to be, I'm not blown away by his performance or anything, but it was good.

saw it in 2D and 3D, if you can handle 3D I'd recommend seeing it that way. if you can't, don't sweat it. There's not a lot of difference in brightness/color/sharpness or anything.

the effects were so fucking good, a couple scenes weren't great green screening, although thinking back that struck me more in 3D, so it could possibly be an issue w/ the conversion but I'll wait till I see it again to say for sure.

there were some weird mid-shot aspect ratio changes, anyone else notice that?

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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127. "RE: seen it 2x."
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>I haven't really read any of the reviews so I dunno if people
>have talked about it, but Domnhall Gleeson deserves some shout
>outs, cuz I never figured him for a Star Wars bad guy but he
>did the damn thing. I like him as an actor but I wouldn't have
>figured he would play that character so well.
>
Gleeson seemed to overact a tad on my first viewing, maybe the 2nd will change my opinion of his performance.

  

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180. "Didn't dig Gleeson initially, stepped out during the speech the 2nd x"
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I had never seen him anything before Ex Machina but he was great in that one

>>I haven't really read any of the reviews so I dunno if
>people
>>have talked about it, but Domnhall Gleeson deserves some
>shout
>>outs, cuz I never figured him for a Star Wars bad guy but he
>>did the damn thing. I like him as an actor but I wouldn't
>have
>>figured he would play that character so well.
>>
>Gleeson seemed to overact a tad on my first viewing, maybe the
>2nd will change my opinion of his performance.

  

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125. "Fine movie, but reviews on BOTH SIDES are OFF. "
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The negative comments are off, because nitpicking about
lineage and politics and who had what baby, or how much it's
like Ep 4 isn't relevant. None of those are the issues with
the movie.

The praise is off, because this movie isn't in the same planet
as 4,5,6 in any basic measure of filmmaking: pacing is hokey,
the interactions are mostly hokey, the story is clumsy.

It's a hokey, clumsy, awkward movie.

A very good, fun, beautiful, hokey, clumsy movie.

But it lacks the sheen of the 4,5,6. There's no real excuse
for that, so people who love the movie need to stop trying
to explain it with "well, it set everything up well." I don't
care. It was hokey. That's doesn't mean it's bad. But it's
a hokey dokey movie with very clumsy order of events.

Everything feels like a film where the point is to fit as
much interesting shit as possible into two hours+. It doesn't
feel like there are characters who autonomously and
organically stumble on interesting events because they operate
in an interesting world. That is how the original trilogy was.
There were actual characters dealing with stuff. They happened
to come together. And these cool things unfolded.

This movie lacked that.

This is why none of the performances are convincing: no one
ever really looks surprised, because they aren't. The actors
act like they are in a Star Wars movie. They know it. We know
it. And so they don't really come across as convincing people
(Finn comes close). It's just bunch of charismatic people
(and good actors) being shuttled between super important
events.

The old characters were the worst, because none of the give
a shit anymore. Having them play such a big role was a HUGE
mistake story-wise. They all mailed in their performances
because they don't care. Like, how passionate do you think
Fisher and Ford were in doing that scene about their breakup?
Both looked like they wanted nothing to do with it.

This trilogy is going to be fun, but Star Wars is done as
being interesting or relevant. The mythology is dead.

In some ways, the clumsiness of this movie makes me rethink
how bad the prequels were. Maybe pulling this off is just
difficult. And so maybe we were just too hard on Lucas.



  

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128. "I agree with everything (other than the prequel talk); in particular thi..."
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>Everything feels like a film where the point is to fit as
>much interesting shit as possible into two hours+. It doesn't
>
>feel like there are characters who autonomously and
>organically stumble on interesting events because they operate
>
>in an interesting world. That is how the original trilogy was.

and this:

>The old characters were the worst, because none of the give
>a shit anymore. Having them play such a big role was a HUGE
>mistake story-wise. They all mailed in their performances
>because they don't care. Like, how passionate do you think
>Fisher and Ford were in doing that scene about their breakup?
>Both looked like they wanted nothing to do with it.

  

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130. "So it IS a problem that it's like ANH"
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It doesn't make sense to say that it wasn't a problem that it was so much like Episode 7 and then say:

"This is why none of the performances are convincing: no one
ever really looks surprised, because they aren't. The actors
act like they are in a Star Wars movie. They know it. We know
it. And so they don't really come across as convincing people
(Finn comes close). It's just bunch of charismatic people
(and good actors) being shuttled between super important
events."

They had a chance to build something original and they followed the same game plan with slight changes (like TFA Ben turns his light saber on while ANH turned his off in the bad guy kills mentor scene.)

It's hard to make a great movie AND bring back the old favorites like this did but to just blame it on it being a Star Wars movie and ignoring the actual plot similarities and that the new actors are basically trying to be new versions of iconic roles instead of completely new characters would seem to be the core of that problem.

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132. "Nah, that isn't it. "
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>"This is why none of the performances are convincing: no one
>ever really looks surprised, because they aren't. The actors
>act like they are in a Star Wars movie. They know it. We know
it. And so they don't really come across as convincing people
>(Finn comes close). It's just bunch of charismatic people
>(and good actors) being shuttled between super important
>events."

Nah, it's not about the story being unoriginal

It's about it being clumsily written and executed

You can make non-hokey of the story in that film

Dial it down, remove the old actors almost completely,
work HARD on pacing the story

They weren't actually that essential

The actors were quite good, it wouldn't have been very
difficult with that talent


>They had a chance to build something original and they
>followed the same game plan with slight changes (like TFA Ben
>turns his light saber on while ANH turned his off in the bad
>guy kills mentor scene.)

That the stories mirrored each other wasn't the issue,
though

It's the pacing


>It's hard to make a great movie AND bring back the old
>favorites like this did but to just blame it on it being a
>Star Wars movie and ignoring the actual plot similarities and
>that the new actors are basically trying to be new versions of
>iconic roles instead of completely new characters would seem
>to be the core of that problem.

Nope

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134. "Of course you can."
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"You can make non-hokey of the story in that film

Dial it down, remove the old actors almost completely,
work HARD on pacing the story"

Right. It was called Star Wars Episode IV. It's almost the exact same story minus with some moments reversed, usually for the worse.
For instance, Leia effectively saves our young Jedi from a sand planet that doesn't know he/she is a Jedi and good guy from the wrong side of the tracks instead of getting saved in the first movie.
Finn not shooting at all mirrors Han shooting first.
But it was stronger when Luke's parents were killed rather than Ray's just disappearing and presumed dead. (Which was another issue - the film had A LOT of tell don't show.)

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135. "Ok, cool. I'm not saying I LIKED the similarities to ANH"
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I'm saying you could have had a fine movie with the same
level of similarity.

I'm saying the problems were with BASIC film stuff: pacing,
hokey storytelling.

Like you, I would have PREFERRED an original story.

But the events themselves weren't my issue.

The pacing and storytelling and hokey dokey-ness was.



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152. "RE: Ok, cool. I'm not saying I LIKED the similarities to ANH"
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I don't really get the pacing complaint.. maybe I'm not following you but this movie flowed pretty smooth for me from start to finish, more than A New Hope to be honest. I ain't saying its better but pacing or clumsy remarks don't seem correct. Also, I see young viewers who aren't so into the old movies putting this one as #1. JJ did what he needed to do in re-establishing the franchise.

I'm optimistic and hopeful that Episode 8 will be more original and not be another Empire.

  

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153. "Well, this is the point. It's all about $. "
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>I don't really get the pacing complaint.. maybe I'm not
>following you but this movie flowed pretty smooth for me from
>start to finish, more than A New Hope to be honest.

That's just insane, so insane, that I'll ignore this comment

I ain't
>saying its better but pacing or clumsy remarks don't seem
>correct. Also, I see young viewers who aren't so into the old
>movies putting this one as #1. JJ did what he needed to do in
>re-establishing the franchise.

Well right, its about selling toys and T-shirts.

That's the point of this new trilogy.

JJ Abrams doesn't really care about making a great trilogy,
with great mythology, and storytelling magic.

That isn't the goal of this trilogy anymore.


>I'm optimistic and hopeful that Episode 8 will be more
>original and not be another Empire.

Episode 8 isn't out. Episode 7 is. So I'm discussing Episode
7.

And it was a clumsy remake.

Fun, cute movie.





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156. "This post pairs best with my thoughts."
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One of my most immediate thoughts as the credits began to roll was, "Man, without all the Star Wars imagery, this felt NOTHING like a Star Wars movie."


I can admit, and feel a bit flip for not saying as much below, that this was a "fun" movie. But it wasn't as fun as the last two Mission Impossible films, or John Wick, or several other recent action flicks. And if I apply knowledge of the series - prequels and all - to any of it, the action was severely disappointing.


But above all, I'm disappointed that this was a movie that consisted of a series of "hey look at this thing" moments. The movie lurched from moment to moment hoping the audience would connect the dots for it. It was a color by numbers book without any lines to color inside of.


And as someone said above, that CGI squid shit was a mess.


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199. "as long as Disney respects the existing mythology"
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New mythology will happen. Too many of us nerds are too invested. We will write terabytes of fan fiction, some of which Disney will make into books and recoup. The only way the new movies can completely blow the mythology aspect of Star Wars culture is if they disrespect the Big 3 characters.

As for a mythology in just the movies (as opposed to the new EU), there's still time, and this movie sets up some potentially interesting angles. Like, if Kylo and Rhea are siblings? There's your mythology.

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207. "Nah, this is spiraling into a space magic Jerry Springer episode"
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Nobody knows who fucked who, when, and had what kids

Some of them have magic, and some don't

Some are just mad, at the people who have magic,
because they don't like their daddy, or because
their daddy was nicer to their other kids, didn't
come to their tournaments

And there's a government, that is corrupt, an a resistance,
and people searching for justice and truth and Barack
Obama

And then there's a very tall CGI person who is ugly and mad
for some reason that we've already been exposed to thousands
of times in other stories

And then there will be 27 coming of age stories in here

And then there is old wise man who is a tragic hero for some
reason and decided to go chill somewhere quiet and drink
woodroot tonic


It's not mythology.

Its stupid.

Too many of us were raised by Star Wars to admit it.

It hurts us inside to admit it, because by hating it, we
are hating a part of ourselves.

But it's shitty.

Cool movie.



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129. "JJ explains how/why R2 woke up"
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http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/20/jj-abrams-answers-burning-question-about-r2-d2-star-wars-force-awakens

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133. "Jesus. That whole article proves my points"
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Fine, awesome, cute, and witty

But MY GOODNESS this is a clumsily put together
movie

Look at how MAJOR decisions were made?

Explains a lot about this movie

This is not how you make an epic

An epic has to BEGIN with a message and an aesthetic

There's some shit you want to get across

This movie BEGAN with these little rinky dink details
and introductions

AND THEN it FOUND a way to fit them into the "story"

It is a GOOD movie

I enjoyed it

But yikes...there is NO MAGIC in this film. NOTHING.


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137. "Show us on the Black Series action figure where your uncle touched you"
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138. "Yowzers. I feel really sorry for some of you guys. "
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That's a sad, mad, creepy dweeb of a reply.

: - (

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142. "LMAO lighten up dude."
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We know you want your opinion to be heard but we still think the movie was great. Get over it?

  

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147. "Hey, you're the one who mentioned child molestation"
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All because I pointed out some basic flaws

Must have struck a nerve

Now that you got me going, though, I'm gonna pick and
prod and make you even madder



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146. "I agree, what a shit answer"
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Fuck it, I'm gonna go on believing that Luke turned him on cuz he sensed it was time to come back.

>Fine, awesome, cute, and witty
>
>But MY GOODNESS this is a clumsily put together
>movie
>
>Look at how MAJOR decisions were made?
>
>Explains a lot about this movie
>
>This is not how you make an epic
>
>An epic has to BEGIN with a message and an aesthetic
>
>There's some shit you want to get across
>
>This movie BEGAN with these little rinky dink details
>and introductions
>
>AND THEN it FOUND a way to fit them into the "story"
>
>It is a GOOD movie
>
>I enjoyed it
>
>But yikes...there is NO MAGIC in this film. NOTHING.
>
>
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>O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"
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>"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."
>
>(C)Keith Murray, "

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148. ""Luke turned him on because he was ready to help" >>>>>>"
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167. "RE: "Luke turned him on because he was ready to help" >>>>>>"
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Something like Luke sensed Rey tapping into the force and that it was time to start making moves to swing things back in the light side's favor is a better way to think about it than R2D2 just having a long boot cycle to me. Keep the idea that the force is this magical mystical thing.

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261. "better answer below"
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>Something like Luke sensed Rey tapping into the force and
>that it was time to start making moves to swing things back in
>the light side's favor is a better way to think about it than
>R2D2 just having a long boot cycle to me. Keep the idea that
>the force is this magical mystical thing.

theprofessional gave a better answer to why R2 woke up. i didn't remember that it was the same scene as when Rey showed up. makes more sense.

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166. "Crazy part is Abrams sees the problems, repeats them"
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He said Star Trek Into Darkness had too many "nods" to "Wrath of Kahn". He also said that he had people writing a collection of scenes that, as a story, didn't pan out so he had to figure out how to make the scenes as exciting as possible.

JJ is basically the anti-Joss Whedon. Whedon creates worlds and gets lost in them and gets pissed when people want to mess with them. JJ seems to try to figure out what execs and audiences want and then has the story jump to that point regardless of whether it makes sense or not. Business-wise, that's why studios prefer to work with Abrams but it's why his work is mediocre at best to me.

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169. "OE being brave with his "It's good/bad" stance"
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171. "Simple: enjoyable, fun movie. Shitty, goofy story."
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I was supposed to be on my third viewing now but I'm
having a hard time making it for a second viewing. I will,
and if I feel differently, I'll admit it

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177. "Star Wars was/is/always will be goofy. It's part of its charm"
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You went into a movie with Chewbacca expecting Waiting for Godot and came out mad. A grown man expecting to view a movie like from the perspective of a 5 year old is kinda sad and creepy.

  

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187. "Nah, 4.5 and (even) 6 were well constructed, well made movies. "
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>You went into a movie with Chewbacca expecting Waiting for
>Godot and came out mad.

Nah, you're mad that you waited all your life for a shitty
movie


A grown man expecting to view a
>movie like from the perspective of a 5 year old is kinda sad
>and creepy.

This is the second time one of you has gotten mad and
mentioned child molestation

I'm going to alert the mods the next time I see this,
because that's disgusting.


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198. "USE THE AGENDA, LUKE"
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You know lightsabers aren't real, right?

  

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204. "No more child molestation references, please"
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All because you waited a long time for a doo doo story



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210. "You wanted your childhood restored and got a movie instead"
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So sad.

  

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211. "Opposite. I wanted a movie and got nods to my childhood"
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Corny nods




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213. "You wanted friends and have 50,000 msg board posts instead"
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Even sadder.

  

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215. "Ah, so you're conceding that the movie was shitty"
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We're getting somewhere, you chester molester


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223. "Naw. It's a good star wars movie. Problem is.."
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there's no space for that. Gawker-types like you need it to be the worst OR best shit ever ever because they have way too much emotionally-riding on it. You need to feel like you're inside an 8 year old's body again when you watch it. Anything less sends men like you into an internet rage. Hence your perpetual hissy fitting since seeing it.

  

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228. "Hey, if you want to pardon a shitty movie, fine. "
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The whole "it was what it was supposed to be"

=

"Why are you guys expecting anything more than a shitty
movie!?!?"

If those are your expectations, good for you

I'm gonna keep talking about what the actual movie was.

And it was a mess.


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232. "Maybe don't go into a movie expecting to see it 5 times"
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before you actually see it. The real question should be why you and other grown men have so much emotionally riding on a kids movie.

  

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240. "I'll take seeing a good movie one time"
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Thanks, tho

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237. "ROFL"
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prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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338. ""oh fuck, Luke skywalkers here" <--GOOD ANSWER"
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Best possible explanation for making Luke the macguffin

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371. "reading this annoyed me."
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Really seems like they want to use the Star Wars framework and all the cache and advantages that come with it, but then they act like they would be mortified if Luke's presense would have taken away from the new characters.

Fuck off with that ego shit about "your" characters. They gave hammill one no-lines scene, and he basically made the whole movie an inconsequential preamble to it just by giving a look. Stick to the basics guys.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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139. "Boyega at the London premiere was straight comedy (vid)"
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https://twitter.com/AoctaviusW/status/677646083653283840

this dude is so fucking excited to be in SW. it's awesome.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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143. "lmao that was great. I'm happy for dude "
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prototype

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154. "This movie was a mess."
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I prefer the prequels.

I am also not a spoil sport by nature, and prefer to run with the crowd, so don't take this as a case of wanting to feel separate from the masses.

The Force Awakens is a film that takes advantage of all the things people like about Star Wars to mask the fact that it is a boorish, confusing, far-too-long film. A dumb February castaway action flick repurposed as a Christmas blockbuster because a 'Star Wars' in front of a movie title demands eyes and ears.

I preferred the prequels, both as films and Star Wars properties. But I'm glad most people are enjoying the nostalgia of it all. I wish my nostalgia could cloud my judgement, but I've searched my feelings and know this to be true:

The Force Awakens is the filmic equivalent of a Cheesecake Factory, serving up just about any dish you could conceive of while failing to understand what makes any of it satisfying.

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155. "^^^^GODDAMN!!!!"
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>I prefer the prequels.
>
>I am also not a spoil sport by nature, and prefer to run with
>the crowd, so don't take this as a case of wanting to feel
>separate from the masses.
>
>The Force Awakens is a film that takes advantage of all the
>things people like about Star Wars to mask the fact that it is
>a boorish, confusing, far-too-long film. A dumb February
>castaway action flick repurposed as a Christmas blockbuster
>because a 'Star Wars' in front of a movie title demands eyes
>and ears.
>
>I preferred the prequels, both as films and Star Wars
>properties. But I'm glad most people are enjoying the
>nostalgia of it all. I wish my nostalgia could cloud my
>judgement, but I've searched my feelings and know this to be
>true:
>
>The Force Awakens is the filmic equivalent of a Cheesecake
>Factory, serving up just about any dish you could conceive of
>while failing to understand what makes any of it satisfying.
>
>~~~~~~~~~
>"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
>http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
>Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz


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157. "RE: ^^^^GODDAMN!!!!"
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The prequels made Star Wars far too complicated, unrelatable and inhuman, but it looked and felt like Star Wars, CGI and all.


The Force Awakens borrows Star Wars as an excuse to make money on a dumb movie about anonymous people (played very well, I have nothing bad to say about the acting at all) doing whatever the fuck's convenient.


It's the equivalent of filming the stupid stories I told myself with Han Solo and Boba Fett action figures as an eight year old.


The lightsaber fight sucked, and The Force never mattered less than it did here.


Kylo Ren was a pretty dope villain, loved his voice and the mean shit he did to that laser.


But if Luke Skywalker is THAT DUDE with The Force, and he had to train on a rinky dink smuggling ship for months just to understand how a lightsaber works, some slave girl and a Stormtrooper we never even saw pull a trigger shouldn't be able to just stumble onto a lightsaber and punk the kid who's A) established to have Skywalker blood and B) went to fucking Jedi school.


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159. "Yeah. It stood unusual to me also"
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>The lightsaber fight sucked, and The Force never mattered less
>than it did here.

While its no Darth Maul craziness, I thought the scene in general worked well (first with Finn then Rey) except for the below

>But if Luke Skywalker is THAT DUDE with The Force, and he had
>to train on a rinky dink smuggling ship for months just to
>understand how a lightsaber works, some slave girl and a
>Stormtrooper we never even saw pull a trigger shouldn't be
>able to just stumble onto a lightsaber and punk the kid who's
>A) established to have Skywalker blood and B) went to fucking
>Jedi school.

Ren was mortally wounded so imho it made sense how Finn, (who IS a trained soldier despite the hi-jinks) was able to hang for about a minute until he lost since no force powers were used and it was just 'mano o mano'.

However the absolute ownage that Rey gave Ren was bizarre. Now Rey's main theme as a character is that she bucks all damsel in distress stereotypes which I LOVED and worked well in other parts of the movie and made logical sense. She scraps dead tech so of course she would know her mechanics. As a lone 'weak' human in a hussle ass desert planet she would know how to run, fight off some assholes with her staff..etc or else she would have not survived.

But that nigga Kylo is a trained soldier, active force user...etc. And she fucking WHUPPED him in the force and in fighting! It felt like they got to the end of the script and was like 'OK, how do the badguys lose and the goodguys win" and just hit the fastforward button. It felt unearned and it weakened what was a great setup for the final act.

  

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160. "Even if Ren was mortally wounded"
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He had the ability to freeze a laser AND PERSON in their place, something that I don't recall ever seeing in the previous films. (Also, can I just say how lame it is that the one expression of the force in this movie appeared to be some Darth Vader cosplayer holding his hand out and tightening his muscles so hard it shook around intensely? The force used to look a lot cooler.)

Rey realized she could harness the force like an hour before Ren came up on her in that snow field while Ren had been living that life for years and years, training under the sole remaining person/thing who'd harnessed both sides of the force and brought balance to the galaxy (until he didn't, because we'll find out eventually, I guess).

If Abrams wanted to go full on nostalgia with the shit, Ren should have sealed Finn in a block of ice and thrown Rey off the side of a cliff or something, mortal injury or not.

Either that or Han Solo should have gone Heihachi and thrown Kylo Ren into a volcano. That would have been a dope scene and made no sense just like the rest of the film.

UGH, THIS MOVIE.

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173. "We don't know Ren is a trained soldier"
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We don't know how long it has been since he turned, since Luke left etc

Maybe its only been 2 years? It doesn't take 20 years to grow a beard like that you know?

He obviously needs additional training referenced by Snoke saying "bring him so I can finish his training" or whatever he said.


Y'all coming in here doing your own Honest Trailers to this shit, can nitpick anything. lol It was fun, way more fun then the prequels.

  

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179. "Yeah and no. The movie doesn't explicitly spell it out"
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but dude was literally one of the two heads of command the movie has under Snook and its not a stretch to assume he's got hundreds if not thousands under his command(gonna guess those battleships require a fuckload of manpower to fly); I doubt even the empire would say 'This nigga has the force, just bump him straight to general!'

And I took the below to mean more jedi training, not just plain military stuff

>He obviously needs additional training referenced by Snoke
>saying "bring him so I can finish his training" or whatever he
>said.
>

My thing is that the fight with Rey shouldn't have been a blowout; suddenly she was a jedi master and it seemed only to keep with the tone of the OG movies and give the good guys a strong win out the gate before pulling the rug from under them next movie.

  

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161. "which is all bullshit. stop it."
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Mon Dec-21-15 12:29 PM by Rjcc

          

luke didn't train for "months" he was on dagobah for a bliiiink. and then a trip to fight vader


and he was awesome at everything right away.

pilot? great.

lightsaber fighting darth vader, the GOAT, with practically no experience? great

this is nothing new.

if you want to lie about the star wars universe go ahead, but really, let's not pretend this "I'm just a prodigy becuz force" shit is somehow brand new and unbelievable.

niggas kill me.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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164. "RE: which is all bullshit. stop it."
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I am referring to his training with a lightsaber.


The Empire Strikes Back takes place three years after the first Star Wars. Presumably Luke spends a lot of that time standing in front of a training droid getting shot in the chest just like he did on the Millennium Falcon on the way to Alderaan.


In A New Hope he only uses the Force once, isn't even sure how he did, and it was basically him focusing super hard on a hole in the ground. He's told the Force is real and spends the following weeks/months thinking Obi-Wan might be kind of crazy until he hears his voice in his head. Rey is told the Force is real and uses it to mind control a Stormtrooper and defeat a trained Jedi/Sith hybrid maybe 24 hours later.


We didn't even see Luke mind control someone until four years after he was told of the Force's existence, and after training on his own for three years with a few days/weeks of master course training with the former baddest Jedi to ever walk the universe.


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183. "every single thing you listed"
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is not possible for any of the other jedi.

when you got the force, you got it. shit is different for you.

there's no indication that Leia has ever trained in the force, but she still has it.

calling BS on applications of the apply-God-cream-here Force is some bullllshiiiiiit


Luke was a farmboy from nowhere who never did anything, and then bang he's a dope warrior. Even Rey at least had to grow up pretty much on her own, she's way tougher to me off rip just because of that

y'all don't want nobody else to be Luke, just let it go.

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170. "How the fuck you hate Prometheus and like this shit?"
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Get the fuck outta here RJ, you did not like this
dumbass movie

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182. "wait what, I love prometheus, you got me fucked up lol"
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158. "C+ needs improvement (spoilers)"
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I agree with some of the positive things people have said above. The sets looked amazing. The special effects were great. It looked GREAT.

However this movie needs a ton of work and they are going to have to do alot in the next 2 movies to convince me this isnt another prequel situation.

The characters were cool. I think they didn't use all three correctly. In my mind it went like

Poe = Han Solo like character in the movie. He was older and more charismatic. Also should have been in the damn movie more than 25 min.

Finn = force sensitive storm trooper. I know he was a rookie but he also should of had the best combat training out of the other 2. Make him the more "sensitive" force wielding user. Meaning he feels other emotions more strongly. I mean I thought that was what they were alluding to when he got all wigged out in the beginning. Him and Rey are supposed to have a bond right?

Rey = force sensitive techno wiz. I think she is a bit stiff at times but she did a pretty good job. Have her be the fix person of the crew and a jedi. I think her story and characters was interesting out of the other 2.

Kylo = Should of never taken his mask off ever. Even with the part with Han they should of only shown the back of his head and never the front.


The story was kinda shitty. It should of been this great space adventure to find Luke. Revisiting planets like Hoth, Tatoonie, Degobah. On some great treasure hunt where the 3 main heroes bond and grow stronger. Is this too much to fucking ask? We gotta sit thru them blowing up another death star like base? ARE YOU SERIOUS?

JJ Abrams fucking better come with it on the next 2. I'm giving this movie a pass but I got the side eye going on too.

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162. "It 'righted' the ship but at the cost of being a solid stand alone movie"
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The good:

Characters: Abrams and the actors nailed it; the secret to star wars was never the plot/special effects, etc...it was always the characters (and how iconic they've become over 40 years) and the new class stands up to muster. Even Kylo Ren's performance that some people are criticizing is LIGHTYEARS better then what Lucas/hayden did in the prequels.

The tone: Enough new groundwork was laid as far as mysteries/side plots etc so that they've got more then enough shit to mine for the next two sequels and all the side movies they already have lined up.

Now the bad?

It was a re-run: I guess when you've got literally billions onthe line you gotta play it safe. The movie was more concerned with fan service then telling a new story; its a pure nostalgia ride and as a result certain plot points felt lazy.

For example the First Order taking over the Empire and going full nazi sounds exciting to me as the possibilities for new evil shit....but they just built another death star, lol.

Hopefully subsequent directors/writers will have the freedom to take the story into different places in the main series. But if these sequels just end up being note for note remakes on Empire Strikes and jedi, what was the point?

  

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163. "we'll have to wait until next year to see if they can do a new story"
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which....I dunno if rian johnson has got it, but hey disney has been pretty good with this shit so far.

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174. "What did you do with my Rjcc? Didn't you hate Avatar? "
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How the fuck you hate Avatar and like this?

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184. "because Jake killed my nigga Tsu'tey AND took his chick"
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and was somehow regarded as a hero for this. FOH

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186. "Avatar was literally thousands of times better than this shit"
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Thousands


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189. "jesus christ, no."
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your troll bearings are way off, get that shit straightened out.

  

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195. ""trolling" is saying Force Awakens is as good as A New Hope"
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That's trolling

People are really mad that this movie is sloppy

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165. "Loved the movie, didnt care for the plot"
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Just way to much going back to the well. I did like the acting, the action, the visuals and most everything other than the story. The Han/Leia reunion recapping everything we had already figured out was pretty lame too.

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175. "Not as great as everyone is saying but not bad"
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The excitement has got people grading this movie much higher than it deserves. If it didn't have the name Star Wars in front of it or if Lucas had directed it then both critics and fans would be grading this movie much harsher.

You could probably play ANH and TFA side by side and probably sync up scene for scene.

Please, no more Death Stars/Planet Killers.

They need to explain this whole relationship between the Republic and Resistance. I better see the New Republic military forces going after the First Order with full force in the next movie. The First Order just destroys an entire planetary system that is a member of the New Republic and the New Republics response is to just do nothing? Go about their business like nothing happened? The planet that was destroyed by the First Order, what planet was it? Was that the capital of the New Republic? How and why was that one chosen?

Kylo Ren getting whipped up by Rey was cool but it wasnt believable at all. The very first time Rey touches or even turns on a light saber and she can beat her trained cousin or brother with ease? At least Luke had some Jedi 101 for Dummies crash course training by Obi Wan. Ren had never even met a Jedi but she can beat someone who has been trained by both Luke and Snoke?

Overall it was fun and enjoyable even if it was a complete rehash of ANH. I give it a B- and would rank Episode III ahead of this.

  

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176. "you mixing names up like crazy, haha"
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>The excitement has got people grading this movie much higher
>than it deserves. If it didn't have the name Star Wars in
>front of it or if Lucas had directed it then both critics and
>fans would be grading this movie much harsher.
>
>You could probably play ANH and TFA side by side and probably
>sync up scene for scene.
>
>Please, no more Death Stars/Planet Killers.
>
>They need to explain this whole relationship between the
>Republic and Resistance. I better see the New Republic
>military forces going after the Firet Order with full force in
>the next movie. The First Order just destroys an entire
>planetary system that is a member of the New Republic and the
>New Republics response is to just do nothing? Go about their
>business like nothing happened? The planet that was destroyed
>by the First Order, what planet was it? Was that the capital
>of the New Republic? How and why was that one chosen?
>
>Kylo Ren getting whipped up by Ren was cool but it was t
>believable at all. The very first time Ren touches or even
>turns on a light saber and she can beat her trained cousin or
>brother with ease? At least Luke had some Jedi 101 for Dummies
>crash course training by Obi Wan. Ren had never even met a
>Jedi but she can beat someone who has been trained by both
>Luke and Snoke?

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178. "Which names am I mixing up?"
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The New Order?

Resistance?

I admit I am calling the Republic, the New Republic rather than just the Republic.

  

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202. "Ren and Rey"
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look toward the end there. i knew what you were talking about, just thought it was kinda funny.

PLUS, i see that you edited that shit so don't try and play like you didn't mix the names up. the original post with your mistakes is in my post since i RWQ'd that shit.

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205. "You're right I got those names mixed up and didn't notice it"
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Their names are too similar. To bad Ren isn't Kylo's given name because that would add fuel to the idea that Ren and Rey are related. It would be similar to Luke and Leia.

  

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181. "what name did he mix up? maybe the fact that ep7 was a re-"
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hash of ep4 has *you* confused

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190. "RE: what name did he mix up? maybe the fact that ep7 was a re-"
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actually he mixed up Ren and Rey quite a bit towards the end but its all good. lol

  

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191. "reread, he mixed it once and the context made it quite clear"
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who he was talking bout, ur reaching and weirdly so

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203. "4 times actually"
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he went back and edited his post (which is what you read) but if you look at my RWQ you will see the original post. he kept typing Ren when he meant Rey 4 times.

not a big deal, i know what he was saying, i just found a little humor in it that's all.

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209. "ok"
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185. "yup, i realize now that this film had a VERY low bench mark"
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>The excitement has got people grading this movie much higher
>than it deserves. If it didn't have the name Star Wars in
>front of it or if Lucas had directed it then both critics and
>fans would be grading this movie much harsher.

YUP, as long as it was "better" than any of the prequals and had lightsabers ppl were calling it the best thing ever. Hate the prequals all u want but at the very least that added original content to the story of the star wars universe


>
>You could probably play ANH and TFA side by side and probably
>sync up scene for scene.

LOL!!!!!
>
>Please, no more Death Stars/Planet Killers.
>
>They need to explain this whole relationship between the
>Republic and Resistance. I better see the New Republic
>military forces going after the First Order with full force in
>the next movie. The First Order just destroys an entire
>planetary system that is a member of the New Republic and the
>New Republics response is to just do nothing? Go about their
>business like nothing happened? The planet that was destroyed
>by the First Order, what planet was it? Was that the capital
>of the New Republic? How and why was that one chosen?
>
YES Please do! at this point i can only think that JJ did the resistance so TFA would be EXACTLY like ANH. i would have been a lot less bothered if it was the Republic battling the remnants of the empire, Leia could have still been a general, they coulda still had the X wing battles etc but why this goofy Resistance, that is financially supported by the Republic

i think the system the new death star destroyed was not the republic capital system but some other system but they were gonna get the republic capital (coruscant) but didnt get around to it.

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188. "Very enjoyable. Mostly glad it sets up the new trilogy well."
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I thought it referenced the old stuff well without being too nostalgic. I knew either Han or Leia were dying so the story could go forward. I suppose you could argue it wa