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"QT: Selma wasn't Oscar-calibur and I'm the epicenter of black culture"
Tue Oct-13-15 08:49 AM by Basaglia

  

          

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/quentin-tarantino-says-selma-deserved-an-emmy-was-disappointed-to-lose-oscar-to-the-hurt-locker-20151013

"She did a really good job on ‘Selma’ but ‘Selma’ deserved an Emmy..."


"If you’ve made money being a critic in black culture in the last 20 years you have to deal with me," the director said. "You must have an opinion of me. You must deal with what I’m saying and deal with the consequences."

"It bugged me that Mark Boal won Best Screenplay for that movie,’’ Tarantino admits. "The Kathryn Bigelow thing — I got it. Look, it was exciting that a woman had made such a good war film, and it was the first movie about the Iraq War that said something. And it wasn’t like I lost to something dreadful. It’s not like ‘E.T.’ losing to ‘Gandhi.’  "


note: Night Dogg is a well-noted supporter of women and minorities in film. He has managed to coax a superior performance out of Samuel L. Jackson without having him resort to Caucasian crowd-pleasing nigger-hysterics and profanity. He also worships the beauty and complexity of women. It's in every frame of Collette, Wright and Howard.

I'M. JUST. SAYING.

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His comments on race have been awful for 20+ years.
Oct 13th 2015
1
I'm sure Brett warmed him up in the pre-interview as well.
Oct 13th 2015
2
I hope Bigelow or DuVernay responds.
Oct 13th 2015
3
On principle I agree with you.
Oct 13th 2015
6
Agreed.
Oct 13th 2015
9
      also agreed
Oct 28th 2015
50
Who cares what Bigelow thinks?
Oct 15th 2015
26
Tarantino and Ellis in the same room?
Oct 13th 2015
4
disgusting
Oct 13th 2015
5
Fuck him. And fuck The Hateful Eight if it's ANYTHING like the first...
Oct 13th 2015
7
You know i'm 100% with you on that shit
Oct 15th 2015
21
Dawg we gotta lynch his ass if that's in the finished movie b.
Oct 16th 2015
27
fuck that movie and give me blood meridian instead
Oct 17th 2015
29
Well...he's right about It Follows at least
Oct 13th 2015
8
you're right about this too
Oct 14th 2015
10
Bret Easton Ellis comes off even worse to me...
Oct 14th 2015
11
no, no, no...don't put it on me. he said "BLACK CULTURE"...all of it.
Oct 14th 2015
12
RE: Nah, his point is more specific than to leave it at 'film' in genera...
Oct 14th 2015
13
      He may not have said "epicenter"...
Oct 14th 2015
18
           It would be dumb coming from a black person as well.
Oct 19th 2015
33
Update: Tarantino never even saw Selma, claims he was misquoted:
Oct 14th 2015
14
good lord
Oct 15th 2015
20
That quote really encompasses all things Quentin
Oct 14th 2015
15
His White Privilege is what's irking people more than the Selma stuff.
Oct 14th 2015
17
      RE: Yeah, that's definitely justified...
Oct 15th 2015
22
           Honest Question: What has QT done to help?
Oct 15th 2015
23
                ^^^
Oct 15th 2015
24
                HOWLS...Co -motherf-in-sign! :)
Oct 15th 2015
25
                all i be saying. he makes entertaining movies. i've given him that.
Oct 20th 2015
36
                yep
Oct 28th 2015
51
You intentionally left out the one line that people got angriest about.
Oct 14th 2015
16
I hate him so much
Oct 14th 2015
19
even though i fux with QT films and his commentary isnt new...
Oct 16th 2015
28
bruh, this dude makes me cringe for enjoying his movies
Oct 18th 2015
30
his work is enjoyable....but utterly disposable. it don't stick wit me.
Oct 19th 2015
31
I'd argue Pulp is a great movie.
Oct 19th 2015
34
      i guess...maybe. but sam not being pushed at the lead bothers me
Oct 20th 2015
37
      this is true and i agree 100% i never really thought about it
Oct 23rd 2015
44
      To be fair, they pushed him in that category to keep him from Tom.
Oct 23rd 2015
45
           your privilege is showing, WHITE MAN!!! Travolta was nominated!
Oct 23rd 2015
46
                & an older WHITE MAN!!! beat Sammy Jack!
Oct 23rd 2015
47
                That actually surprises me.
Oct 24th 2015
48
      Jackie Brown is his best
Oct 20th 2015
38
yep
Oct 28th 2015
52
You right on this Ba. And I dig a lot of QT movies.
Oct 19th 2015
32
Night Dogg a genius....don't try to be friends.
Oct 20th 2015
39
Haha...that M Night agenda is all you
Oct 24th 2015
49
Yah. Him and Neal Brennan give the same vibe.
Oct 22nd 2015
42
he's kinda like Kanye to me...
Oct 19th 2015
35
QT's persona always struck me as an caricature
Oct 20th 2015
40
Speaking of caricatures
Oct 21st 2015
41
agreed again
Oct 28th 2015
53
just keep crankin out fire movies quentin.
Oct 22nd 2015
43
and keep the mouth shut
Oct 28th 2015
54

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1. "His comments on race have been awful for 20+ years."
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Everyone likes to forget his justifications for why he could say the N word from the 90s.

As someone pointed out on Twitter today, it's a shame Tarantino hates John Ford, because Tarantino could have learned something from Ford's "shut the fuck up and just make films" philosophy.

But QT's egomaniacal interviews have never hurt him-- their outrageousness has likely only fueled his popularity. So this won't hurt him either. There's a reason the NYT got Bret Easton Ellis of all people to talk to him-- they wanted QT to say something outrageous. And they got it. Good work, NYT.

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Basaglia
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2. "I'm sure Brett warmed him up in the pre-interview as well. "
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I listened to Brett's podcast a few time and the OBVIOUS disdain he displayed for black filmmakers during his discussion with Apatow made me want to punch both of them in the fucking face. So, it's really no surprise that Selma came up in this piece, as it followed Brett's obsession with "victimization porn". It can't just be a biopic or HISTORY...it's victimization porn.

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3. "I hope Bigelow or DuVernay responds. "
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I'd really like Quentin to get called out on his nonsense.

"Look, it was exciting that a woman had made such a good war film" - is he serious?

I agree with Frank; he just needs to shut up. He's basically indie film's Elvis/The Colonel... if Elvis hadn't died at 42 and instead start bloviating about his own greatness.

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6. "On principle I agree with you."
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But in the end, Tarantino is the only one that would benefit if either director verbally sparred with him since Tarantino's name and that recent flick of his would get more publicity.


Was Tarantino always this brazen with his opinions when he first started out making flicks?

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9. "Agreed."
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After I wrote that, I thought about it and I don't think there's any use in pointing out his idiocy. It's not like you'll get him to understand why he's an idiot and his fans will be defensive.

He's always been outspoken but I feel like he was more positive in the past, hyping stuff that he loved that nobody saw, and now he's more negative. But it also might be the snippets I see posted. I generally avoid him (and Bret Easton Ellis) and, in all honesty, couldn't bring myself to read this article.

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50. "also agreed"
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>After I wrote that, I thought about it and I don't think
>there's any use in pointing out his idiocy. It's not like
>you'll get him to understand why he's an idiot and his fans
>will be defensive.
>
>He's always been outspoken but I feel like he was more
>positive in the past, hyping stuff that he loved that nobody
>saw, and now he's more negative. But it also might be the
>snippets I see posted. I generally avoid him (and Bret Easton
>Ellis) and, in all honesty, couldn't bring myself to read this
>article.


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26. "Who cares what Bigelow thinks?"
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Thu Oct-15-15 08:13 PM by denny

          

She's the one everyone should be complaining about being racist imo. 'The Hurt Locker' was pro-torture and islamaphobic. There's NOTHING in QT's catalogue that even remotely approaches how offensive that film was. She's too conservative for John McCain for christ's sake.

  

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4. "Tarantino and Ellis in the same room?"
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How could it possibly contain all that ego?

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5. "disgusting"
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7. "Fuck him. And fuck The Hateful Eight if it's ANYTHING like the first..."
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...draft of the script for on particular scene and MORE offensive uses. and more uses in general, of nigger.

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21. "You know i'm 100% with you on that shit"
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I can't even clap to anything he does now.

Especially that one scene, that shit went entirely too far.

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27. "Dawg we gotta lynch his ass if that's in the finished movie b."
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No way I'm letting that shit slide beloved.

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29. "fuck that movie and give me blood meridian instead"
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8. "Well...he's right about It Follows at least"
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Hateful Eight looks like doodoo to me, I prob won't even see it in theaters.

  

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10. "you're right about this too"
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>Hateful Eight looks like doodoo

  

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11. "Bret Easton Ellis comes off even worse to me..."
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Wed Oct-14-15 12:19 PM by The Analyst

  

          

B.E.E. clearly has a strong anti-Selma slant that he was obviously trying really hard to get Tarantino to validate, and the only thing he could come up with was: "She did a really good job on ‘Selma’ but ‘Selma’ deserved an Emmy."

Of course that sounds backhanded, but the Emmy reference makes a lot more sense given the context of the whole interview, where they talk a lot about how modern movies are looking more and more like high-end TV shows.

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In the uncut conversation, they obviously talked a lot about contemporary movies, BEE brought up Selma, and Tarantino was probably throwing minor shade in the context it being low-budget, digitally-shot, staight-ahead biopic that, while very good, could have easily felt at-home as an HBO miniseries.

Of course that is backhanded and somewhat insulting (hence me saying I'm not necessarily defending Tarantino here), but all the other bullshit in the article with comparing it to TYAS and saying Django Unchained is a much more forward-thinking, challenging film than Selma is all shit B.E.E. put in there. There's a not a quote from Tarantino that conflates any of that shit at all.

As for the "epicenter of black culture" phrase that Basagila made up, he was saying that he's forced the issue of race into some of his movies (which, obviously) and that it's forced people to think and take a position. Outside of having a massive ego and being a whiny bitch about the fact that he gets called out for being white, he's not really saying anything overly outrageous to me:

"You must have an opinion of me. You must deal with what I’m saying and deal with the consequences." He pauses, considers. "If you sift through the criticism," he says, "you’ll see it’s pretty evenly divided between pros and cons. But when the black critics came out with savage think pieces about ‘Django,’ I couldn’t have cared less. If people don’t like my movies, they don’t like my movies, and if they don’t get it, it doesn’t matter. The bad taste that was left in my mouth had to do with this: It’s been a long time since the subject of a writer’s skin was mentioned as often as mine. You wouldn’t think the color of a writer’s skin should have any effect on the words themselves. In a lot of the more ugly pieces my motives were really brought to bear in the most negative way. It’s like I’m some supervillain coming up with this stuff." But Tarantino is an optimist: "This is the best time to push buttons," he says a few minutes later. "This is the best time to get out there because there actually is a genuine platform. Now it’s being talked about."

I also know the prevailing attitudes about Tarantino here at PTP so I'm not really expecting to get anywhere with this. Just think we might be a little guilty of sensationalizing what he actually said in this case...

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12. "no, no, no...don't put it on me. he said "BLACK CULTURE"...all of it. "
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Wed Oct-14-15 01:27 PM by Basaglia

  

          

he coulda left it at FILM. you clearly have a soft spot for the guy and you cover for his obsession with blackness and how it should be portrayed.

there's a reason there's a prevailing thought of him in PTP. lotta black posters here who love film.

>As for the "epicenter of black culture" phrase that Basagila
>made up, he was saying that he's forced the issue of race into
>some of his movies (which, obviously) and that it's forced
>people to think and take a position. Outside of having a
>massive ego and being a whiny bitch about the fact that he
>gets called out for being white, he's not really saying
>anything overly outrageous to me:
>
>"You must have an opinion of me. You must deal with what I’m
>saying and deal with the consequences." He pauses, considers.
>"If you sift through the criticism," he says, "you’ll see
>it’s pretty evenly divided between pros and cons. But when
>the black critics came out with savage think pieces about
>‘Django,’ I couldn’t have cared less. If people don’t
>like my movies, they don’t like my movies, and if they
>don’t get it, it doesn’t matter. The bad taste that was
>left in my mouth had to do with this: It’s been a long time
>since the subject of a writer’s skin was mentioned as often
>as mine. You wouldn’t think the color of a writer’s skin
>should have any effect on the words themselves. In a lot of
>the more ugly pieces my motives were really brought to bear in
>the most negative way. It’s like I’m some supervillain
>coming up with this stuff." But Tarantino is an optimist:
>"This is the best time to push buttons," he says a few minutes
>later. "This is the best time to get out there because there
>actually is a genuine platform. Now it’s being talked
>about."
>
>I also know the prevailing attitudes about Tarantino here at
>PTP so I'm not really expecting to get anywhere with this.
>Just think we might be a little guilty of sensationalizing
>what he actually said in this case...

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13. "RE: Nah, his point is more specific than to leave it at 'film' in genera..."
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He's trying to say that he's made numerous attempts to engage with racial topics (what he's calling "black culture"), sometimes in an aggressive way, which has forced people to think, debate, take positions, get mad, etc.

Hence, "You must have an opinion of me. You must deal with what I’m saying and deal with the consequences."

I mean, this is pretty undeniable, as the debate over whether Django Unchained was a well-intentioned misfire or a "virulent fuck you to the confederate south" or the work of an outright racist was one of the most spirited PTP debates I remember seeing on here in years.

This is a lot different than calling himself the epicenter of black culture though. That's obviously not what he was saying or even implying.

Now, whether you agree with his positions or believe what he's saying or approve of his work are a totally different issues, and I don't remotely have a problem with criticizing the movies themselves.

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18. "He may not have said "epicenter"..."
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>This is a lot different than calling himself the epicenter of
>black culture though. That's obviously not what he was saying
>or even implying.

... but he definitely indicated that he is a central figure in black film culture. It's hard to read otherwise.

You can agree or disagree, but maybe a white dude shouldn't say that right before saying he could give less of a shit what the black culture is saying back to him.

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33. "It would be dumb coming from a black person as well."
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No one person is an epicenter or embodiment of culture, especially in 2015. That sense of entitlement is pretty disgusting.

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14. "Update: Tarantino never even saw Selma, claims he was misquoted:"
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Wed Oct-14-15 01:54 PM by The Analyst

  

          

SWIPE:
Dear Anne,

I'm writing you to pass on that the quote from the NY Times piece about "Selma" is wrong. I never saw "Selma." If you look at the article, it was Bret who was talking about "Selma," not me. I did say the line "it deserved a Emmy," but when I said it, it was more like a question.

Which basically meant, "it's like a TV movie?" Which Bret and myself being from the same TV generation, was not only understood, but there was no slam intended. Both Bret and myself come from the seventies and eighties when there were a lot of historically based TV movies: the King mini-series written by Abby Mann staring Paul Winfield; "Crisis at Central High" with Joanne Woodward. And "Judge Horton and the Scottsboro Boys." These were great TV movies. I'd be honored to be placed next to those films. However, I haven't seen it. Does it look like a seventies TV movie? Yes. Does it play like one, I don't know, I haven't seen it.

Q

http://blogs.indiewire.com/thompsononhollywood/quentin-tarantino-never-saw-selma-he-writes-exclusive-20151014
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This is funny because it's exactly what I said above. It was BEE who had a wierd anti-Selma slant and he was trying to get QT to validate it.

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15. "That quote really encompasses all things Quentin"
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Quentin is basically flying the flag of the Bad Liberal. "You have to hear my thoughts on race but the aggrieved race's opinion of what I'm saying doesn't matter to me as long as they know that my take on race is unquestionably good and not influenced at all by my whiteness."

He picks out "black critics" and then seems amazed that they judge him by race. Seriously, how are you going to group a bunch of critics by their race and then whine about them using race as a frame within which to judge your films? What about white writers who make the same claims?

And the funniest line is this: "It’s been a long time since the subject of a writer’s skin was mentioned as often as mine. You wouldn’t think the color of a writer’s skin should have any effect on the words themselves."

Quentin clearly left out WHITE writer's skin, because non-white filmmakers are constantly defined by their race. The idea of "Let's talk about race BUT DON'T TALK ABOUT MY RACE!" is laughable. As if being white doesn't influence his work because he watched a lot of blaxploitation movies and is buddies with Sam Jackson.

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17. "His White Privilege is what's irking people more than the Selma stuff."
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Precisely right.

Even if he's right about BEE mis-associating the Selma stuff to him (which I'm not convinced I believe), he still said all of that other shit, lol.

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22. "RE: Yeah, that's definitely justified..."
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Look, I certainly don't want to go ham defending QT because I'm not particularly fond of him as a person and have a mixed opinion of his work, but reading his recent interview, this guy doesn't really sound like the enemy in my humble opinion:

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Q: Hateful Eight uses the Civil War as a backdrop, sort of like how The Good, the Bad and the Ugly does.

A: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly doesn’t get into the racial conflicts of the Civil War; it’s just a thing that’s happening. My movie is about the country being torn apart by it, and the racial aftermath, six, seven, eight, ten years later.

Q: That’s going to make this movie feel contemporary. Everybody’s talking about race right now.

A: I know. I’m very excited by that.

Q: Excited?

A: Finally, the issue of white supremacy is being talked about and dealt with. And it’s what the movie’s about.

Q: How did what’s happening in Baltimore and Ferguson find its way into The Hateful Eight?

A: It was already in the script. It was already in the footage we shot. It just happens to be timely right now. We’re not trying to make it timely. It is timely. I love the fact that people are talking and dealing with the institutional racism that has existed in this country and been ignored. I feel like it’s another ’60s moment, where the people themselves had to expose how ugly they were before things could change. I’m hopeful that that’s happening now.

Q: You supported Obama. How do you think he’s done?

A: I think he’s fantastic. He’s my favorite president, hands down, of my lifetime. He’s been awesome this past year. Especially the rapid, one-after-another-after-another-after-another aspect of it. It’s almost like take no prisoners. His he-doesn’t-give-a-shit attitude has just been so cool. Everyone always talks about these lame-duck presidents. I’ve never seen anybody end with this kind of ending. All the people who supported him along the way that questioned this or that and the other? All of their questions are being answered now.

(LINK: http://www.vulture.com/2015/08/quentin-tarantino-lane-brown-in-conversation.html)
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I'm not saying his "take" on race or what he's trying to do with his recent work isn't flawed, but it seems more good than it is bad. I can't help but feel like being a white liberal who sometimes overlooks his privilege is a lesser evil than white racists who actually covet their privilege and actively try to reinforce and strengthen it. Then again, I can't speak from a position of experience on this and I wouldn't claim to have the ability to do so, but that's just my honest take...

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23. "Honest Question: What has QT done to help?"
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I haven't heard of him going out of his way to hire or mentor minorities in film. I don't recall him going out of his way to promote or produce films from minority writers or directors. When people criticize his work and ask questions of his own vision, he says he doesn't care and isn't introspective in the least about his own issues.

His version of addressing slavery was to make a fantastical revenge story. And now he's making a film that addresses post-Civil War racism in a movie that has one main black character!

This is why I say he's the bad liberal. He addresses the issue only from his frame of reference and only in the tone that he finds entertaining or important. Any opposing viewpoint is dismissed. And, finally* when it comes to actually making a difference, he doesn't actually seem to do much of anything.

* I might be off on this, maybe he does do something, but I haven't heard of it and Quentin's not a guy who doesn't like to toot his own horn so I think I would have heard something. But overall, he's a guy who addresses problems how he wants without considering how much help it actually is.

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24. "^^^"
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25. "HOWLS...Co -motherf-in-sign! :)"
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36. "all i be saying. he makes entertaining movies. i've given him that."
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51. "yep"
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16. "You intentionally left out the one line that people got angriest about."
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‘‘If you’ve made money being a critic in black culture in the last 20 years you have to deal with me,’’

If we're going for full context, let's just call it what it is.

He's gloating about black culture needing to deal with him, and then a few lines later he dismisses the notion that he has to deal with the same black culture responding to him. That's the definition of White Liberal Privilege, right there.

(Also, using the word "savage" to describe black thinkpieces is a poorly chosen word, if we're discussing the whole quote. People were mad about that too.)

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19. "I hate him so much"
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Him and his stupid lists and his stupid comments on everything like hes the greatest fu**ing filmmaker to ever live. Cant stand dude. No one can deny he makes great films, but hes not original and acts like his shit never stinks.

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28. "even though i fux with QT films and his commentary isnt new..."
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this might have been the last straw for me
fuck this dude and his fake ass pass he thinks he has

  

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30. "bruh, this dude makes me cringe for enjoying his movies"
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seriously

i enjoy them, love a couple and agree with so much of the critiques posters like Kayru and O_E have given his work

this shit, "epicenter of Black Culture", "you have to deal with me"

come on Yo

fuck this dude

  

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31. "his work is enjoyable....but utterly disposable. it don't stick wit me. "
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there's not a QT film i can't do without, as it touched me in some profound way that makes me recall the time and space i was in when i saw it.

hell, even KEVIN SMITH has one of those (chasing amy).

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34. "I'd argue Pulp is a great movie."
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Everything else are good movies to watch with a few awesome scenes.

He's like an m.c. with great songs or verses, but not many great albums. Fabolous of the directing game.

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37. "i guess...maybe. but sam not being pushed at the lead bothers me"
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that always colored my view of that flick, man. he was the heart and soul of the movie.

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44. "this is true and i agree 100% i never really thought about it "
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but damn you are right
without him thats a C+ fun movie

  

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45. "To be fair, they pushed him in that category to keep him from Tom."
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They knew Tom had Best Actor sewn up and they wanted to give Sam a chance to win. Movies do this every year-- try to put leads in the weaker supporting category or vice versa.

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46. "your privilege is showing, WHITE MAN!!! Travolta was nominated!"
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that was my first time telling a white person their privilege is showing. felt pretty good.

all white posters, consider yourselves warned.

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47. "& an older WHITE MAN!!! beat Sammy Jack!"
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48. "That actually surprises me."
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>that was my first time telling a white person their privilege
>is showing. felt pretty good.

You could probably do that more often.

Re: the issue at hand... I mean, I'd bring up other times similar campaigns have been run, slipping the stronger performance into the wrong category (they're gonna run Paul Dano for Best Supporting for Love & Mercy this year, for example, and Cusack for Lead, when it should obviously be vice versa), but you're probably right regardless.

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38. "Jackie Brown is his best"
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52. "yep"
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32. "You right on this Ba. And I dig a lot of QT movies. "
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But this nigga is showing his ass.

Showing his ass as much as when wack ass Neal Brennan was beefing with Coates over QT.

Now, this don't mean I'm gonna watch M. Night flicks now.

But you right.

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39. "Night Dogg a genius....don't try to be friends. "
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>But this nigga is showing his ass.
>
>Showing his ass as much as when wack ass Neal Brennan was
>beefing with Coates over QT.
>
>Now, this don't mean I'm gonna watch M. Night flicks now.
>
>But you right.

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49. "Haha...that M Night agenda is all you"
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42. "Yah. Him and Neal Brennan give the same vibe."
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It's just such a desperation to want to be accepted by black people. And then it backfires. Because they get weirdly resentful when they don't get what they want and end up saying shit that reveals they're kinda part of the problem.

Part of it is pandering. Part of it is condescending. And then there's always the one statement that's just like wtf? Is this guy a closet-racist?

I find myself suspicious of Brennan's claim that he grew up with black people. In my experience...white people who grow up with black people don't have this kinda complex or whatever you want to call it.

  

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35. "he's kinda like Kanye to me..."
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i love his work but hate his thoughts and opinions on just about everything else

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40. "QT's persona always struck me as an caricature"
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... A caricature of what an American might think of a French artist.

So his tone deafness as it relates to the cultural value (or black people) of his films outside of the culture of film doesn't surprise me.

  

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41. "Speaking of caricatures"
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There's a mash-up video Joe Rogan brought up months ago of Tarrantino when he was doing rounds of interviews for D'Jango. In the course of three interviews, he has different accents for his speaking voice. Going off memory, I believe the interviews were for Howard Stern, some talk show on BET, and a mainstream morning news show. For Howard Stern, his speaking voice was highly effeminate, for the BET show, he spoke with a black accent, and for the morning news show, he spoke in his normal speaking voice. Hopefully someone here can link it up so looking and seeing the video will do the silliness of Tarrantino justice.

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53. "agreed again"
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43. "just keep crankin out fire movies quentin. "
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thats all we want.

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54. "and keep the mouth shut"
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i'm over here still wincing over damon
trying to get back into i want to see the martian mode


foolish dudes man
just work and shut up
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