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set in LA with not a single Asian character? OK then
Jun 21st 2015
1
Farrell stole the show in ep 1
Jun 21st 2015
2
I have to think the knives
Jun 22nd 2015
9
^^^^
Jun 23rd 2015
21
a problem
Jul 06th 2015
110
The musical cues got very annoying.
Jun 21st 2015
3
Yeah the soundtrack is so heavy handed.
Jun 21st 2015
4
i didn't notice it
Jun 22nd 2015
5
Only the girl in bar...
Jun 22nd 2015
6
it was like that in parts of Season 1 too
Jun 22nd 2015
7
Now I'm going to have to re-watch
Jun 22nd 2015
8
I thought the music was the best part, it was, as reply above says "heav...
Jun 22nd 2015
15
Those LeBrons musta been expensive.
Jun 22nd 2015
10
Fucking pussy!
Jun 22nd 2015
16
How anyone could really criticize anything after one episode...
Jun 22nd 2015
11
1st season was pretty meh til the ep 4 shootout.
Jun 22nd 2015
12
Speak for yourself.
Jun 23rd 2015
23
      I think it would've been different watching as it happened.
Jul 02nd 2015
84
Dont act brand new
Jun 22nd 2015
13
I stand my the complaint I made earlier in the thread
Jun 22nd 2015
20
was aiight
Jun 22nd 2015
14
I enjoyed the season premiere last night and looking forward to this sea...
Jun 22nd 2015
17
i was way more intrigued by this than the first season opener
Jun 22nd 2015
18
I enjoyed it, but I went into it with lowered expectations
Jun 22nd 2015
19
How bad is Vince Vaughan tho? I just thought everyone
Jun 23rd 2015
22
Didn't think he was bad at all & glad to see him playing it straight
Jun 23rd 2015
24
lol i really do feel like i watched a different show than most people
Jun 23rd 2015
25
Crow just went ham
Jun 28th 2015
26
Damn, tell me about it, I kinda wanna watch that ep again.
Jun 28th 2015
27
Lol (spoilers)
Jun 28th 2015
28
Outside of that last scene
Jun 28th 2015
29
kind of a dilemma
Jun 28th 2015
30
I'm saying, I thought the potential for that character was high
Jun 29th 2015
32
rubber bullets young!
Jun 29th 2015
37
That second shot removed any sense of doubt for me.
Jun 29th 2015
38
vince vaughn is the obvious weak link here.
Jun 29th 2015
31
I like it, and I think Vince Vaughn is doing terrific work.
Jun 29th 2015
33
agreed
Jun 29th 2015
34
Cosign...if anything I think McAdams is the weak link
Jun 29th 2015
35
I don't think her character has been given much to work with tho
Jun 29th 2015
51
also true...but i still think it just wasn't a great casting decision
Jun 29th 2015
55
      i thought the same thing at first, but then reconsidered that it might a...
Jul 03rd 2015
90
I thought she started showing real promise bantering with Farrell...
Jun 29th 2015
61
yup...
Jun 29th 2015
42
I agree, but the child crushing rats in the dark monologue was weird
Jun 29th 2015
44
Lol yeah, that scene didn't carry as much weight as the tone suggested
Jun 29th 2015
48
Agreed...I'm enjoying it so far
Jun 29th 2015
46
I thought Vaughn hit his stride in the scene where he walked across the ...
Jun 29th 2015
49
yeah he was in his comfort zone there
Jun 29th 2015
50
Because they believe that it's "pretentious" and can't hide behind
Jul 01st 2015
80
Good to see DeAngelo's momma again
Jun 29th 2015
36
fully on board after episode 2
Jun 29th 2015
39
RE: fully on board after episode 2
Jun 29th 2015
41
      I take it back we get Ray back, he was just to good of a character to wa...
Jun 29th 2015
53
Smokin vapes just won't be the same
Jun 29th 2015
40
Spoilerish:
Jun 29th 2015
45
      RE: Spoilerish:
Jun 29th 2015
59
           I deeply regret clicking that.
Jun 30th 2015
64
Excited to see where these Bohemian Grove & Blackwater-type vibes lead
Jun 29th 2015
43
Black Mountain
Jul 04th 2015
92
I noticed it 1st episode, then it came back in the 2nd, too...
Jun 29th 2015
47
I'mnot sure, I also saw them draw parallels with McAdams and Cohle
Jul 02nd 2015
85
that psychiatrist was hella weird
Jun 29th 2015
52
see, I thought the shrink was part of the cult conspiracy
Jun 29th 2015
54
yep. could be.
Jun 29th 2015
58
the artwork in his office definitely hinted at it
Jun 30th 2015
62
      That is a good catch.
Jun 30th 2015
63
      I was just gonna say, "ugh shit... Not again."
Jun 30th 2015
65
      can't take credit for it, and you're right, pizzo likes red herrings
Jun 30th 2015
66
      Throw up the reddit link
Jun 30th 2015
68
           i try to avoid spoilers, but like theories, discussion, and clarificatio...
Jun 30th 2015
70
                i so enjoyed following r/truedetective from season 1
Jun 30th 2015
76
                     most of the theories on there are
Jul 07th 2015
131
      they're only red herrings if you think the point is to catch the Bad Guy
Jun 30th 2015
69
      RE: they're only red herrings if you think the point is to catch the Bad...
Jun 30th 2015
71
           wasn't she watching her sister's videos?
Jun 30th 2015
72
           what i thought as well...at first
Jun 30th 2015
74
                that's the first thing the g/f said, "she's watching cuz she's into it."
Jun 30th 2015
77
                     I think you're on to something
Jun 30th 2015
78
                          it's not clear it's anal
Jul 07th 2015
127
                               You're probably right, I was taking my cue from the pron she was watchin...
Jul 07th 2015
135
                                    it could be. they just don't say what it was.
Jul 07th 2015
138
      Anyone peep the photo in the mayor's office?
Jul 01st 2015
79
      I was focused on that rock sitting on the desk
Jun 30th 2015
67
           was that a 'vulvar' (the female equiv. of phallic) reference?
Jul 02nd 2015
88
                ha! first thing the g/f said about the rock, "it's cuz it's a vagina."
Jul 03rd 2015
89
Keep in mind it's LA this season...there will be a new weird character
Jun 29th 2015
56
they've done a good job at making it very not "LA" though
Jun 29th 2015
57
      yea they're giving folks some real shady LA
Jun 29th 2015
60
I will crack up if Rick Fucking Springfield turns out to be behind it al...
Jul 10th 2015
151
was better
Jun 30th 2015
73
I'm happy
Jun 30th 2015
75
ENUNCIATE you mumbling motherfuckers
Jul 01st 2015
81
I'm watching this and Hannibal with captions turned on
Jul 01st 2015
82
So the missing girl had to be one of the club prostitutes?
Jul 02nd 2015
83
she went missing while working at the religious place
Jul 04th 2015
91
      Naw she worked there and left to take a new job
Jul 06th 2015
100
prob means nothing but early in episode one camera makes a point
Jul 02nd 2015
86
Might have been a nod to David Lynch
Jul 05th 2015
94
the singer in ep3 too
Jul 07th 2015
130
wasn't that where Caspere is found?
Jul 20th 2015
227
the initial negative reviews were so full of horseshit. shit is fire.
Jul 02nd 2015
87
sorry for being a bit off topic...but i'm just now watching season 1
Jul 04th 2015
93
that was a bummer
Jul 05th 2015
95
extremely slow episode, Vince slowly becoming more believable
Jul 05th 2015
96
this season is making me quite apoplectic
Jul 05th 2015
97
When Vince's character threw the word back at him
Jul 06th 2015
111
      they're laughing at their own jokes
Jul 06th 2015
113
           shit was absurd
Jul 06th 2015
121
vince vaughn has become unintentional comedy at this point.
Jul 06th 2015
98
was the mayor's son intentional or unintentional comedy?
Jul 06th 2015
99
      The mayor mentioned the son was a screw-up
Jul 06th 2015
101
      The sad part is the Mayor of Vernon (Vinci) actually lives like that
Jul 06th 2015
102
      That's interesting.
Jul 06th 2015
105
           Funny enough it's just like the show
Jul 06th 2015
112
                Thanks for taking the time to make that response
Jul 06th 2015
115
                Man it happens everywhere
Jul 06th 2015
122
                this is thoro. thx.
Jul 06th 2015
118
                Cot damn, good looks on the links
Jul 10th 2015
143
      Opulence, I has it.
Jul 06th 2015
103
      ironically that actor is in here.
Jul 06th 2015
107
           yeah the Russian gangster Osip that Vince is dealing with
Jul 06th 2015
108
      him being a screw up is fine
Jul 06th 2015
114
      iono he seemed like a gay nigga who got hoes.
Jul 06th 2015
106
i hope they fucking with us (the viewer) with this intrigue
Jul 06th 2015
104
were his eyes cut out too?
Jul 07th 2015
128
      RE: were his eyes cut out too?
Jul 07th 2015
132
eh
Jul 06th 2015
109
Fred Ward: playing the pissed off white man since before it was in style
Jul 06th 2015
116
Was good to see him again
Jul 06th 2015
117
Is part of your love
Jul 06th 2015
119
      i'd be lying if i said it didn't factor in at all
Jul 06th 2015
120
           I was hoping you'd be in on this post
Jul 06th 2015
123
                shit, if anything i'm learning more about Vernon from this lol
Jul 07th 2015
133
                     I should've known KPCC would do something on this season
Jul 07th 2015
136
                          Whoa, missed that reply. Thanks for that, man
Jul 07th 2015
137
it can't be blake right?
Jul 06th 2015
124
This post almost
Jul 07th 2015
129
I like Ray and his potential redemption arc
Jul 07th 2015
134
That other henchman-- the "half anaconda, half great white" line guy?
Jul 10th 2015
139
question: did frank have velocoro kill the wrong "rapist&qu...
Jul 07th 2015
125
blake doesn't strike me as a rapist
Jul 07th 2015
126
I get the impression people just don't WANT Vince to be serious.
Jul 10th 2015
140
I don't get the Vince hate
Jul 10th 2015
142
Vince is giving, at worst, the second best performance on the show.
Jul 10th 2015
145
Do people really hate this or is it just cool?
Jul 10th 2015
141
I think the problem is S1 set the bar so high...
Jul 10th 2015
144
I don't hate it. I'm bored with it.
Jul 10th 2015
146
^^^ the correct answer ^^^
Jul 10th 2015
148
exactly.
Jul 11th 2015
153
season 1 was GOAT season of a series status...
Jul 10th 2015
147
As others have said, don't hate it, there's just too much going on
Jul 10th 2015
149
it's like 8 different shows
Jul 10th 2015
150
I prefer this season to season one.
Jul 11th 2015
152
Sheeples
Jul 11th 2015
154
seems like the mayor set them up
Jul 12th 2015
155
Yup...and at least they have finally given us a reason
Jul 12th 2015
157
was made obvious...but damn that would be some fucked up shit
Jul 13th 2015
160
I don't think they were supposed to make it.
Jul 13th 2015
166
a Samurai, a Cowboy, a Soldier: True Detective Season 2, 1-4
Jul 12th 2015
156
Cool read, gonna start viewing them through this prism now n/m
Jul 13th 2015
165
This is dope...but doesn't Farrell drive a Charger?
Jul 14th 2015
202
      Jeah but he wore a cowboy hat in the finale
Aug 10th 2015
425
Aaaaaaaaaand ACTION
Jul 13th 2015
158
who keeps booking that depressing ass bar singer?
Jul 13th 2015
159
business is booming at that bar...can't mess w/a good thing
Jul 13th 2015
161
      Lmao at both of these
Jul 13th 2015
163
           ^^^^^^
Jul 14th 2015
184
that scene woke my ass up
Jul 13th 2015
162
Yep, was another slowww episode until that
Jul 13th 2015
164
I'm really trying to like this season
Jul 13th 2015
167
it's reminding me of the sopranos
Jul 13th 2015
168
it hasn't been good. It's all over the place and it drags.
Jul 13th 2015
171
i hear you but you really need to stop comparing it...
Jul 14th 2015
179
as much as I'm enjoying this season I often find myself confused.
Jul 13th 2015
169
This season has some poor editing/sequencing
Jul 13th 2015
170
The editing between scenes has been occasionally jarring.
Jul 13th 2015
172
      *ding*
Jul 13th 2015
174
i feel you on this...the action sequence felt sloppy
Jul 14th 2015
180
I'm constantly rewinding and then realizing I ain't miss shit
Jul 18th 2015
214
It's just getting really bad.
Jul 13th 2015
173
it kind of seems the whole thing was rushed...
Jul 14th 2015
177
the mood ring line would've been hilarious from Woody H last year
Jul 14th 2015
182
Only if he had first said 'float like a gravity'
Jul 14th 2015
190
RE: It's just getting really bad.
Jul 15th 2015
204
I'm trying to figure out why they're presenting all this kid drama
Jul 14th 2015
175
I guess the over-arching theme is father's impact on their children's li...
Jul 14th 2015
176
The killer is Caspere's kid. Has to be.
Jul 14th 2015
178
      Don't forget McAdams father issues
Jul 14th 2015
181
      That's because we're spending most of our brainpower
Jul 14th 2015
183
      Do you mean "Paul" here?
Jul 14th 2015
185
      "We put some fires out last night didn't we."
Jul 14th 2015
191
      Nope, he discovered the body.
Jul 14th 2015
192
      I was following the psychotic break/"unaware of leading another life"...
Jul 14th 2015
194
           the body was also taken to the spot in a car
Jul 14th 2015
195
                Yeah, probably not. Just spit-balling based on the split personality thi...
Jul 14th 2015
197
      I meant Frank. Here's a read from the WSJ breaking it down:
Jul 14th 2015
193
           I just don't buy it. What was the reason for him killing Stan?
Jul 14th 2015
196
                Yeah, their motive explanation is shaky
Jul 14th 2015
198
                Stan stumbled onto something we don't know about yet.
Jul 14th 2015
199
                I don't buy that it's Chessani, because... well, it makes no sense.
Jul 14th 2015
200
                     right....but he's definitely involved somehow
Jul 14th 2015
201
      And even further, Kitsch's mom
Jul 14th 2015
186
      RE: The killer is Caspere's kid. Has to be.
Jul 14th 2015
187
      my money's on ass pen.
Jul 14th 2015
188
I'm hoping that this doesn't end up being some disgruntled farmer
Jul 14th 2015
189
anyone feel like there's scenes missing?
Jul 14th 2015
203
It does
Jul 15th 2015
205
yeah that scene was weird as hell...
Jul 15th 2015
206
right? Seemed like a dream sequence.
Jul 15th 2015
207
That's exactly what I said to my wife. "Is he dreaming all of this?"
Jul 15th 2015
208
I actually think I rewound the DVR so yeah
Jul 23rd 2015
274
Really weird source....
Jul 16th 2015
209
Thanks for the links !
Jul 16th 2015
210
good looks.
Jul 17th 2015
211
thanks will check these later
Jul 17th 2015
212
      Long but great reads, all of em.
Jul 17th 2015
213
Second season blows so bad I wonder if there will be a third
Jul 19th 2015
215
Read this, clears it up.
Jul 20th 2015
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      RE: Read this, clears it up.
Jul 20th 2015
223
           I think its a bit of all of this
Jul 20th 2015
232
FINALLY gets the shot of adrenaline it needed
Jul 19th 2015
216
her A&R bout to have us all loving her music by season's end
Jul 20th 2015
218
      i was...now i'm zzzz again
Jul 20th 2015
219
a whole lot of zzzzz still
Jul 20th 2015
220
did Riggin's call his mom a 'poison goose'?
Jul 20th 2015
221
Closed captioning is your friend.
Jul 20th 2015
229
i wanna watch with subtitles as much as i want to spend 2 hours
Jul 20th 2015
233
      Reading the Closed Captioning
Jul 21st 2015
240
           Any sorts of these subtle dramas...
Jul 21st 2015
243
It was "coose/cooze"..basically called her a cunt.
Jul 21st 2015
234
yeah i've been caping for it but i'm running out of steam
Jul 20th 2015
224
      Low Winter Sun??
Jul 20th 2015
225
      i didn't give it a chance because it bored me for 3 eps
Jul 21st 2015
249
      It's where I'm at
Jul 27th 2015
335
the last 10 minutes finally led to some intrigue, then you end it? with ...
Jul 20th 2015
222
are they doing these cheesy 80s episode endings on purpose?
Jul 20th 2015
226
Still digging it, still baffled why those who don't like it are watching...
Jul 20th 2015
228
I can't wait to see this Eyes Wide Shut orgy
Jul 20th 2015
230
you've never heard of someone finishing a book they didn't like?
Jul 21st 2015
235
      Unless it's for a school assignment? No, I've never heard of that, lol.
Jul 21st 2015
242
           I'm interested enough to see how it ends
Jul 21st 2015
256
It's pretty simple; closure.
Jul 20th 2015
231
I'm just holding out hope for her getting naked
Jul 21st 2015
236
      re. the knives... was rewatching a season 2 trailer from May
Jul 21st 2015
237
Let's not act brand new here, dude
Jul 21st 2015
248
Yep.
Jul 21st 2015
254
Here's the thing I absolutely don't understand.
Jul 22nd 2015
259
more than halfway thru it and not much else to watch
Jul 21st 2015
250
how does shit this poorly written get greenlit?
Jul 21st 2015
238
The best explanation I've read...
Jul 21st 2015
244
      I think it's more NP buying too much into peoples love with R.Cohle last...
Jul 21st 2015
251
           I mean, is that honestly an explanation?
Jul 21st 2015
253
I'm tired of people coming in here just to shit on the show
Jul 21st 2015
239
you'd think we were criticizing your child, lol
Jul 21st 2015
241
Not saying you need my permision but whats the point of coming
Jul 21st 2015
247
      RE: Not saying you need my permision but whats the point of coming
Jul 21st 2015
255
I'm digging the show a lot actually.
Jul 21st 2015
245
this is my big issue
Jul 21st 2015
252
IT'S BORING AND CLUMSY. NOT THAT DEEP FAM.
Jul 21st 2015
246
      basically niggas must be on they menstrual.
Jul 22nd 2015
257
           .
Jul 22nd 2015
           yup you got it figured b
Jul 22nd 2015
258
Polygon's great weekly recap is up
Jul 22nd 2015
260
Like you said earlier on in the thread
Jul 23rd 2015
262
Oh, that dude is the exception, not the rule.
Jul 23rd 2015
264
That chandelier was too damn creepy to forget
Jul 24th 2015
277
Wow. Awesome read. Will definitely check these weekly
Jul 23rd 2015
269
I'll be honest, Guerneville disappointed me -- the setting, specifically
Jul 22nd 2015
261
To be fair, re: setting...
Jul 23rd 2015
266
DP's don't get enough credit.
Jul 23rd 2015
267
Great point.
Jul 23rd 2015
268
yeah, exactly -- that's what I was trying to get at
Jul 23rd 2015
270
      Well said, Fukunaga's absence is too tangible.
Jul 23rd 2015
271
      RE: Well said, Fukunaga's absence is too tangible.
Jul 27th 2015
297
      even when S1 was boring, it was ALWAYS incredible to look at
Jul 23rd 2015
273
Shoot, it didn't even look like Guernville
Jul 23rd 2015
272
      right? it was almost like they just hit a weird neighborhood outside LA
Jul 23rd 2015
275
Season 2 is a huge disappointment.
Jul 23rd 2015
263
the dialogue is awful
Jul 23rd 2015
265
Welcome to Vernon (swipe)
Jul 24th 2015
276
Farrell has earned himself an Emmy nom
Jul 26th 2015
278
i feel bad for dude cuz he is doing savior work on a subpar season.
Jul 26th 2015
285
He's such a beast. Always has been.
Jul 27th 2015
288
This latest ep & the opener are certainly showcases
Jul 27th 2015
309
Fa sho. One of my fav actors. He's always at least solid.
Jul 27th 2015
317
Ep 6 random thoughts (spoilers)
Jul 26th 2015
279
i missed this
Jul 26th 2015
280
it was the second before she grabbed the knife
Jul 26th 2015
281
ya I must've missed it as well
Jul 26th 2015
283
yeah it was a quick shot. young chessani, osip, mccandless + the chief.
Jul 27th 2015
292
      how could the chief show up to that posh event w/that haircut tho?
Jul 27th 2015
299
           He's a natural
Jul 27th 2015
321
RE: Ep 6 random thoughts (spoilers)
Jul 26th 2015
286
Rapist looked like old luke wilson
Jul 26th 2015
282
I thought it was Will Last Man on Earth Forte
Jul 27th 2015
323
party scene was good but the music was grating on me.
Jul 26th 2015
284
I thought the music was easily the best part. Exceptional scoring.
Jul 27th 2015
287
came here just to say -- what the fuck was that string music??
Jul 27th 2015
289
liked it but I'd be lying if I didn't expect more ecstasy from the molly
Jul 27th 2015
290
      If it's Ani's first time...
Jul 27th 2015
307
I was waiting for Cary Grant and Ingrid Bergman to show up.
Jul 27th 2015
291
right...it seemed like a nod to Hitchcock, but it felt misplaced
Jul 30th 2015
341
it sounded like they ripped it off from scooby doo
Jul 27th 2015
293
I wouldn't be too mad
Jul 27th 2015
296
It totally threw me off at first
Jul 27th 2015
294
like patio music? lol
Jul 27th 2015
298
      The music made more sense
Jul 27th 2015
302
           that'd be an odd choice for sex party music though lol
Jul 27th 2015
312
Personally didn't have a problem with it/thought it was neat
Jul 27th 2015
305
i thought Quincy M.E. as gonna show up with another dose of Molly
Jul 27th 2015
311
they told the music supervisor "ominous secret society orgy music"
Jul 27th 2015
319
Yep
Jul 27th 2015
336
lots of d. lynch/surrealist nods this season
Jul 27th 2015
325
that red headed kid man...
Jul 27th 2015
295
When Velcoro tells him the most imp. thing ever and he shrugs/eats pizza
Jul 27th 2015
300
He's terrific. One of the best parts of the show, weirdly.
Jul 27th 2015
314
      If the redheaded kid had his own spin-off
Jul 27th 2015
337
      he's VERY real
Jul 30th 2015
343
Loved everything about this episode
Jul 27th 2015
301
Yeah completely on board now.
Jul 27th 2015
303
they've focused on the story and deviated from the personal lives
Jul 27th 2015
308
      Also
Jul 27th 2015
330
           damn didnt even think of that...
Jul 27th 2015
332
So is Vince Vaughns character suppose to be weak?
Jul 27th 2015
304
I dunno about weak, just more emotional and moral than
Jul 27th 2015
306
I don't think he's weak...
Jul 27th 2015
310
his time out of the game will make anyone test him...
Jul 27th 2015
313
I don't think what he did in that situation was wrong.
Jul 27th 2015
324
More desperate than weak. He needed that girl.
Jul 27th 2015
315
In all these responses
Jul 27th 2015
316
Naw, he was in between a rock and a hard place
Jul 27th 2015
326
He's a bit like Carlito to their Benny Blanco
Jul 27th 2015
327
why was she the only one seeing things and barely able to walk?
Jul 27th 2015
318
Figured that was just a first timer thing for Bez
Jul 27th 2015
322
I think it was partly cuz she was in a fierce flashback / anxiety attack
Jul 27th 2015
339
and she wasn't the only one...ole girl in the bathroom was out of it too
Jul 30th 2015
342
Starting to think Ray's ex isn't telling the whole story.
Jul 27th 2015
320
RE: Starting to think Ray's ex isn't telling the whole story.
Jul 27th 2015
329
RE: Starting to think Ray's ex isn't telling the whole story.
Jul 27th 2015
331
I totally agree w/ this, but with only 2 hours left, can't imagine this ...
Jul 27th 2015
333
Also, murder in the shed...
Jul 27th 2015
334
I mean, most redheads don't have a red headed parent. Right?
Jul 27th 2015
338
I feel like it's safe to say that Burris did it.
Jul 30th 2015
345
      Agreed.
Jul 30th 2015
346
"Cisco kid" looks like the only thing he enjoys in life is killing
Jul 27th 2015
328
i like how that's been handled for his character...
Jul 27th 2015
340
best ep of the season. Vince AND Colin acting their asses off
Jul 30th 2015
344
now THAT is the True Detective greatness I remember
Aug 02nd 2015
347
I won't lie, I'm kinda confused
Aug 02nd 2015
348
good episode but goddamn the plot is so convoluted now.
Aug 02nd 2015
349
Lots to wrap up in 1.5 hours next week.
Aug 03rd 2015
350
nice. thanks.
Aug 03rd 2015
351
this is very helpful...
Aug 03rd 2015
352
that's what I thought.
Aug 03rd 2015
355
      exactly
Aug 03rd 2015
360
thanks. when it gets to the kids at the jewlery store...
Aug 03rd 2015
356
because it is. It's convoluted to the point of turning me away.
Aug 03rd 2015
383
Great recap, pretty much accurate on all of it.
Aug 03rd 2015
359
Thanks SO MUCH
Aug 03rd 2015
363
I watched Mission:Impossible 1 for the first time this weekend too
Aug 03rd 2015
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How perfect was the scene with Frank and Blake?
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"...and now you just shit on my carpet."
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it was a perfect example of how to butcher a pivotal scene
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      didn't mind the slow mo...but why cut away? that was dumb
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      they've done that goofy move a LOT this season
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      Points taken, was very satisfying for Frank fans though
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      I enjoyed the shit out of that scene
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Here's the Uproxx recap, which explains things pretty well:
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thanks. even better rundown with pics.
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That's good
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I was mad at Tim Riggings for setting up his girl and his moms in the sa...
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dude is strapped for cash...i found it funny too though
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      yeah i laughed at first. still... i feel bad for his girl
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           yeah her life doesn't really get worse...
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                even his proposal was some of the most depressing shit ever
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actors really hitting their stride now, although I liked S1 better, this...
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yeah i definitely think the 4 main actors are doing a great job
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      It goes Farrell >> Vince >> Kitsch >> McAdams
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           i really like what McAdams has been doing...
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           I'd definitely put McAdams ahead of Kitsch
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                "These contracts... singatures all over them."
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                I can live with that
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entire plot up to now
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Well, that was very thorough. Thanks.
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*salutes*
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Incredibly helpful.
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I was mostly up to speed, but the biz with the two orphans...
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Jordyn did look guilty as shit when she saw Blake
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Yeah, definitely wouldn't be surprised if she was in on it
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I'm afraid Nails is going to end up dead at Jordyn's hands
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      That's gonna suck. Nails might be my favorite character
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      Somehow he is going to trick the Mexicans to do the fighting
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           i was thiinking this too
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           I just can't see that, they already don't like him
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                i don't think he'd do it directly
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                     What kinda angle would he use
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                          or maybe tell the russians that the mexicans burned them down
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                               It is a 90 minute episode
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I'd also encourage everyone to read James Ellroy's "LA Quartet"
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I'm glad you mentioned this series of books
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      I have a question for someone who reads a lot of Noir?
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           He was using classic themes and taking from So Cal based Noir
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'No! Not Gambit!' (c) my wife
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Thumbs down overall
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Pizzolato will be fired. TD brand might be done. Disaster of a 2nd seaso...
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Nah, he'll get another crack after this. They'll let Him right the ship.
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capital H? You like him that much?
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A very strange auto correct.
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Right. Plus, it's not like people didn't watch.
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people still tuned in so he might be good
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ratings for next season (if there is one) will be telling
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Nah. Word on the street is that s3 is a go and...
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dat guitar player's best set
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^true story
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Called it from season 1. Pizzolatto can't write worth a damn
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The writing this season was very poor, for sure
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      agreed
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"you cant act for shit. take it from me."
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Another 4th wall moment
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      Forgot what was said here...
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           I don't remember the exact words
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Man was this a let down
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You were defending the show in prior responses in this thread.
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      Well I was riding for the show because of the location and history
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Really? Three emo-singer montages?
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ok here's where i got a little confused
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Caspere was fucking the kids mother, obviously for a long time
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      ok, i TOTALLY missed all of this
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           Yes. Father and daughter were unknowingly fucking each other
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right? Frank in the desert was the equivalent of explaining a joke
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      it was ridiculous
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fuck it, loved it.
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yeah...i don't think i was mad at much in the final eps
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RE: yeah...i don't think i was mad at much in the final eps
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Velcoro pulled that De Niro in Heat, lol
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He was just about out of gas
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shit played out like an extended Law and Order episode
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i guess i'm alone in loving the gas mask heist
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nope, i loved ALL that...
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i agree with everything else you said
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Quick season review.
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Didn't it seem like both dudes just gave up by the end?
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The Mexicans are tied to Tony Chessani.
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How did the Mexicans find Frank? That part bothers me
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Frank went home first, that's how they caught him.
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      Yeah, even without the diamonds I think the same thing happens
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RE: Didn't it seem like both dudes just gave up by the end?
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I wouldn't say no reason. They were punking him for his suit
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I wonder how much of the first season's backlash...
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I still really enjoyed the season on the whole, including the finale.
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Burris surviving and coming out on top was a bummer
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burris: but his coming out on top will be short lived
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      Whoa... your comment just made me think of something
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           good point
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           it looked like he was already too far down the escalator
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                I need to rewatch the scene on the timing...
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                     Watched that part last night...he was going down the escalator
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                          Yeah me too. for a second i looked like he was puting his gun back
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I agree with this. It was completely engrossing TV.
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      Although most people would wince at this suggestion...
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           I think that's fair -- the biggest problem was too many leads
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           There's no reason for him to stick to 8
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           As much as I felt this season fell flat, it's not a bad suggestion
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           I agree with you
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Also, Farrell deserves Emmy/Golden Globe noms. He acted his ass off.
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Easily the biggest bright spot of the season
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Outside of Taylor Kitch, I feel sorry for the actors
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      This pisses me off more than anything
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      Even Kitsch did his best. He had by far the most underwritten role.
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           He wasn't given much material
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           Again, I blame the material.
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                yep
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           I thought Kitsch was terrible
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more miss than hit...
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I'm glad Nails made it
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^^Beat me to it
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i dont get why the mexicans were ever gonna let frank live
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Me neither
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Leaving him there was pretty much a death sentence anyway
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he could have made it back unwounded
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In addition
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      i was kind of unclear on what money was where
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      Wouldn't he have lost the diamonds if he gave up the suit?
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           Good point. I thought it was pride only
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                I think the core reason is still pride.
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                     agreed. i think without the diamonds, it goes the same way
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yeah, he was a dead man, they were just seeing how far he would stoop
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      watching the scene again, I still disagree
Aug 10th 2015
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100% agreed. They were going to kill him anyway, just w/o the suit.
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Lol @ all the evidence scattered at Glen's house
Aug 10th 2015
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yep...and he's going to see Holloway RIGHT NOW!
Aug 10th 2015
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      Lol the guy we literally saw for 2 seconds
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People dissing season 1 to rationalize season 2's poor writing
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That's just, like, your opinion, man.
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here's a good discussion about s2 (link)
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a big ol' mess.
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it was the same boring, rambling message Ray had recorded previously
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I enjoyed the 2nd half of this season
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1. "set in LA with not a single Asian character? OK then"
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only saw 1 black person too (the chief (?) of police in Vinci)

Decent start but I'm keeping my expectations low

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2. "Farrell stole the show in ep 1"
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what a piece of work, haha. Gonna be hard for me to give a shit about McAdams or Kitsch's characters...we'll see how much development they get as this goes on...

  

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9. "I have to think the knives"
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are going to come into play in regards to McAdams' character sooner rather than later. Should be interesting to see how well choreographed her knife fighting scene(s) will be.

  

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21. "^^^^"
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>what a piece of work, haha

Perfect role for him

  

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110. "a problem "
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3. "The musical cues got very annoying."
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Interesting to see both Woody Harrelson and Matthew McConaughey are both credited as Exec. Producers for this season. Looks like it's too soon to draw conclusions for this season though.

  

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4. "Yeah the soundtrack is so heavy handed. "
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Took me out of a few scenes completely

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5. "i didn't notice it"
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so i guess i can't agree lol

  

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6. "Only the girl in bar..."
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The rest blended well.

  

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7. "it was like that in parts of Season 1 too"
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Okay premiere, but didn't pull me in like the S1 premiere did. I got faith in the showrunners, but it will be damn near impossible to top S1 and the comparisons will be unavoidable.

  

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8. "Now I'm going to have to re-watch"
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It's almost as if the show runners don't trust what's going on in the scenes to tell the story; the music felt as if they didn't trust the intellect of the audience.

  

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15. "I thought the music was the best part, it was, as reply above says "heav..."
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but the choices themselves definitely set a tone


@rob_starrk

  

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10. "Those LeBrons musta been expensive. "
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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16. "Fucking pussy! "
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>


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Same as it ever was!

  

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11. "How anyone could really criticize anything after one episode..."
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12. "1st season was pretty meh til the ep 4 shootout."
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so im not expecting much from the early episodes
outside of character development and story building.

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23. "Speak for yourself."
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I'm only four episodes into S1, but holy shit my wife and I were hooked from the first episode.

  

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84. "I think it would've been different watching as it happened."
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I purposely waited until the day of the final episode to binge all seven episodes before it so I know it can seem like the momentum is unrelenting but when I went back to watch it with a girlfriend over a few weeks it took her a while to get fully invested.


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13. "Dont act brand new"
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You know how it goes round here.

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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20. "I stand my the complaint I made earlier in the thread"
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because it was annoying to me as I watching, but I do agree more patience is necessary for the show. The first season was so great and both Harrelson and McConaughey are still involved with the show as executive producers for this season, so the comparisons are going to be inevitable.

  

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14. "was aiight"
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17. "I enjoyed the season premiere last night and looking forward to this sea..."
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While this season premiere was very different than season 1, I found it to be equally good.

One quick question, was the waitress at the bar with the cut up face the missing sister that we learned about earlier when Elvis and Antigone were serving the eviction notice?

  

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18. "i was way more intrigued by this than the first season opener"
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first season didn't really grab me until three or four episodes in.

brass knuckles are always a plus

  

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19. "I enjoyed it, but I went into it with lowered expectations"
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Due to every review I read calling this season a sophomore slump.

But yeah, it worked well enough. I'm intrigued by Farrell and sort of McAdams. Not really caring about Kitsch yet.

However, I'm going to disagree with people who are saying that this was more intriguing than last year's season premiere, or that last season didn't get good until episode 4. But that's something else all together.

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22. "How bad is Vince Vaughan tho? I just thought everyone"
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was overacting. Too much left to get clarity after one episode but thought some things were just over-dramatized, like the scene with Woodrush hitting 100 in the dark on his motorcycle.

  

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24. "Didn't think he was bad at all & glad to see him playing it straight"
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25. "lol i really do feel like i watched a different show than most people"
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normally with these things, even if i disagree, i can kind of understand people's complaints, but everything people on here, and reviewers are complaining about with this episode.. i'm not seeing any of it

  

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26. "Crow just went ham"
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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27. "Damn, tell me about it, I kinda wanna watch that ep again."
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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28. "Lol (spoilers)"
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Gotta be more to it than that...they wouldn't off one of the leads just for shock value in episode 2.

If McAdams and Kitsch have to carry this season, it's going downhill in a hurry.

  

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29. "Outside of that last scene"
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this episode was worst than the first one, and I don't think it's the actors' faults either. Some of the dialog in this episode was god awful. The two scenes that stand out are the ones with Colin Farrell's character and his ex-wife and Taylor Kitch's character and his girlfriend.

I'll finish out this season, but this isn't looking good so far. It appears this season is going to be more story driven compared to the first season.

  

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30. "kind of a dilemma"
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if he's dead, you just killed of the best character on the show

if he's not dead, how the fuck is he not dead?

enjoyed the episode though

  

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32. "I'm saying, I thought the potential for that character was high"
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I'm not getting why folks aren't entertained by this season, it's only been two episodes and two interesting ones at that. I think people are too caught up in the acting of Woody and Matty, to see how this season is playing out.

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37. "rubber bullets young!"
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Lol...I have no damn clue. All I know is that if he is dead, he won't be off the show permanently. We may be getting a lot of flashbacks with clean shaven Farrell Dogg if that's the case.

  

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38. "That second shot removed any sense of doubt for me."
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I don't remember the body moving when the masked guy/gal shot Farrell the second time. Also, say the hooded guy/gal shot Farrell's character with rock salt ala Kill Bill or with beanbags or rubber bullets; why would the masked guy/gal take the up close shot if the shots weren't meant to be lethal?

Now with that factored in, I'll be very upset if he survived those shots and alive for the third episode.

  

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31. "vince vaughn is the obvious weak link here. "
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i didnt realize he was this bad a dramatic actor.

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33. "I like it, and I think Vince Vaughn is doing terrific work."
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So clearly I'm lost as to why so many people are gleefully panning it week in and week out.

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34. "agreed"
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35. "Cosign...if anything I think McAdams is the weak link"
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51. "I don't think her character has been given much to work with tho"
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55. "also true...but i still think it just wasn't a great casting decision"
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I can't see her being a gritty bitch.

  

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90. "i thought the same thing at first, but then reconsidered that it might a..."
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actually play into the character. in the first ep it seemed like she was trying too hard to act tough and gritty, but then in the second ep i thought maybe it actually fit that the character would act that way, esp with the convo with colin about how she carries all those knives because of her fear of being physically overpowered. also the shit with her father/background fits as well, she always had to act tough because he wasn't going to stick up for her and protect her like a normal father would. but she still grew up in a hippie commune, not some trailer park or skid row flophouse where you gotta scrape and scrap to get by and survive. so she's not a gritty bitch by nature but she's always projected that image as a defense mechanism.

actually i might be putting too much into that and it's probably just that Mc Adams isn't cut out to play a gritty bitch, but i prefer to look at it the way i see it so i'm gonna stick with that.


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61. "I thought she started showing real promise bantering with Farrell..."
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... but with Farrell seemingly gone, I'm wondering where that will leave her.

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Briefing all three leads separately was a good look.


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44. "I agree, but the child crushing rats in the dark monologue was weird"
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48. "Lol yeah, that scene didn't carry as much weight as the tone suggested"
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That's the writing though, he did fine with the material.

  

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46. "Agreed...I'm enjoying it so far"
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little too unemotional before that, showed some swagger in that scene then was good from there on, including that scene with him and CF in the bar... i've liked him but think his best in this yet to come

  

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50. "yeah he was in his comfort zone there"
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otherwise he's been a bit stiff.

  

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80. "Because they believe that it's "pretentious" and can't hide behind"
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Mr. Alright Alright being there to add his uniqueness to the monologues, which in a way gave people permission to enjoy the show through an ironic lens.

They've also possibly read the profiles on Nic Pizzolatto and concluded that he's a self-absorbed blowhard or whatever.

A more fair reason could be that for as good as he is a director, Justin Lin is no Cary Fukunaga. Visually, that first season had Fukunaga's imprint all over it, which added to why it was so good and memorable.


>So clearly I'm lost as to why so many people are gleefully
>panning it week in and week out.

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36. "Good to see DeAngelo's momma again"
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39. "fully on board after episode 2"
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The premiere didn't do a lot for me but last night's episode was much better. We're getting into some weird, cult shit like Bohemian Grove and the Jonestown massacre, which should be even more mysterious and engaging than the first season's cult references.

Just want to make sure I've understood everything right:

Paul, the state policeman, is supposed to find out info on the corruption in Vinci, which will get him out of the blowjob accusation and them looking at his past.

Ani, the county sheriff, is supposed to do the same and keep an eye on/try to flip Ray. She's in charge of the investigation.

Ray, the crooked Vinci detective, is supposed to steer those two away from Vinci corruption. His alcoholic partner is presumably there as another body, who naturally holds back the investigation.

Frank is trying to go straight and paid $5 mil to Caspere, contingent on $5 mil from the Russian, to invest with Catalyst and be part of this huge development deal. Frank thinks Caspere's murderer is making a move on the deal and has his money. Not sure who he had beat up, was that just some small time guy Frank was trying to shake down?

Don't think Ray is dead. It's too early and risky in the season to kill off a major character. People want to compare it to GoT but Ned Stark didn't get it until 3/4 of the season was finished. Probably bean bag bullets or something that's not fatal. I bet he wakes up the next day in the empty house, which was scrubbed of evidence. He struggles to understand why he's still alive, but dedicates himself to the case and finds redemption in the end.

Paul might be the most messed up of the 4. It was pretty clear that he was molested by his mother and has some repressed(?) gay stuff going on too. Not to mention all that Black Mountain Security talk that he's still traumatized by. He's going to ride like thunder & crash like lightning.

Wonder if Ani's mother died in the Jonestown Massacre. I liked the Ani & Velcoro scenes where they're feeling each other out, they have good chemistry. Excited to see Ani use her knives.

I would say Farrell has had the best performance so far, he's the most believable. McAdams is 2nd best, and sadly I have to give Kitsch #3. I like Vince Vaughn a lot and was excited to see him play a dramatic character, but after two episodes I just can't see him as the big bad organized crime boss who is finally trying to go straight. Maybe when his character gets more fleshed out I'll see it more.

Good episode though, it was more in line with what made Season 1 unique. Justin Lin's work is finished now, right? Despite my worries he did a decent job, let's see what others can do with the material.

  

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41. "RE: fully on board after episode 2"
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>The premiere didn't do a lot for me but last night's episode
>was much better. We're getting into some weird, cult shit like
>Bohemian Grove and the Jonestown massacre, which should be
>even more mysterious and engaging than the first season's cult
>references.
Yea but where last season the cult stuff seemed to be tied to the case, this season it just looks likes this mysterious piece of Ani's story and why she is who she is.

>Just want to make sure I've understood everything right:
>
>Paul, the state policeman, is supposed to find out info on the
>corruption in Vinci, which will get him out of the blowjob
>accusation and them looking at his past.
Yeaup, besides his other issues (extreme homophobia, possible molestation, and) His past is obviously some Blackwater type shit. I'm tired of him being cast as current or ex-millitary

>Ani, the county sheriff, is supposed to do the same and keep
>an eye on/try to flip Ray. She's in charge of the
>investigation.

>Ray, the crooked Vinci detective, is supposed to steer those
>two away from Vinci corruption. His alcoholic partner is
>presumably there as another body, who naturally holds back the
>investigation.


>Frank is trying to go straight and paid $5 mil to Caspere,
>contingent on $5 mil from the Russian, to invest with Catalyst
>and be part of this huge development deal. Frank thinks
>Caspere's murderer is making a move on the deal and has his
>money. Not sure who he had beat up, was that just some small
>time guy Frank was trying to shake down?
>
>Don't think Ray is dead. It's too early and risky in the
>season to kill off a major character. People want to compare
>it to GoT but Ned Stark didn't get it until 3/4 of the season
>was finished. Probably bean bag bullets or something that's
>not fatal. I bet he wakes up the next day in the empty house,
>which was scrubbed of evidence. He struggles to understand why
>he's still alive, but dedicates himself to the case and finds
>redemption in the end.
Naw Ray is dead, they even hinted at it in the preview for next week and the crow put two shotty rounds in him, one at close range. He's not coming back from that

>Paul might be the most messed up of the 4. It was pretty clear
>that he was molested by his mother and has some repressed(?)
>gay stuff going on too. Not to mention all that Black Mountain
>Security talk that he's still traumatized by. He's going to
>ride like thunder & crash like lightning.
Mentioned up above (I feel like him and Ani have more in common than the other detectives on the case)

>Wonder if Ani's mother died in the Jonestown Massacre. I liked
>the Ani & Velcoro scenes where they're feeling each other out,
>they have good chemistry. Excited to see Ani use her knives.
I was hoping that it would be the two of them working the case, the chemistry seemed the best when they were together.

>I would say Farrell has had the best performance so far, he's
>the most believable. McAdams is 2nd best, and sadly I have to
>give Kitsch #3. I like Vince Vaughn a lot and was excited to
>see him play a dramatic character, but after two episodes I
>just can't see him as the big bad organized crime boss who is
>finally trying to go straight. Maybe when his character gets
>more fleshed out I'll see it more.

I gotta go Farrell, Vaughn, McAdams and Kitsch last, he's acting is just too stiff.

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53. "I take it back we get Ray back, he was just to good of a character to wa..."
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My guess is he's wearing a vest.

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40. "Smokin vapes just won't be the same "
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Neither will this season if they really did what I hope they didn't

  

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If you go back and watch the trailers for this season, there's plenty footage of Farrel in scenes we haven't hey seen yet.

  

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59. "RE: Spoilerish:"
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........

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64. "I deeply regret clicking that."
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No one the blame but myself.

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I guess there's still the matter of the show explaining how in the world that is possible or why the masked man or woman would need to take that second close up shot if it wasn't lethal. Can a bullet proof vest truly stop a close range shotgun shot?

  

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43. "Excited to see where these Bohemian Grove & Blackwater-type vibes lead"
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All the Nor-Cal references. The Owl. A bunch of very wealthy & corrupt white guys. Shit has Bohemian Grove written all over it

And Kitsch's "secrets" in the desert with the Blackwater-type mercenary firm. I forget the name.

Pizzolatto can have a field day with these themes.

THIS has me hyped.

  

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92. "Black Mountain "
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And I keep seeing Bohemian Grove references in reference to the show since E2 - but isn't Grove kind of a "once a year" meeting place?

Whereas the place Antigone described seemed more like a permanent compound. And there's not really an indicated her Dad is connected to President-level powerful people like the Grove.

  

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47. "I noticed it 1st episode, then it came back in the 2nd, too..."
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at the very end of the 1st episode, when Paul Woodrugh (Taylor Kitsch) was riding his motorcyle, seemingly on a bit of a suicidal bender, there was a quick edit (or two?) of an extremely black sky with teeny, tiny pricks of starlight breaking it up. My mind immediately connected it to the imagery and speech at the end of season 1, when Rust Cohle talke about all their efforts being tiny pinpricks in the blanketing darkness. This, of course, was after the main point of s1 seemingly being Rust Cohle finally gaining a vision and comprehension of the darkness that was Carcosa. He went as far as he could into understanding the universal madness, but somehow was still able to pull himself back.

So here we have Taylor Woodrugh seemingly staring at the same thing as Rust Cohle -- the darkness enveloping the night sky -- but to Woodrugh it's extremely dark. There's barely any light in it whatsoever.

Then in e2 we start learning some more things about Woodrugh. Woodrugh has some skeletons in his closet that he won't talk about, not too different from Rust Cohle's multiyear undercover stint where he essentially left the grid, mucking around in the worst of humanity while he was there. In the "break-up" scene, Woodrugh is amazingly detached and emotionally unmoved by his girlfriend's complaints, very Cohle-esque. And then somewhere in e2 we see another black night sky, I think as Woodrugh is leaving his girlfriend's house?

Which left me with the sense that perhaps Woodrugh is supposed to be some sort of amalgamation of a young Rust Cohle. He's an intelligent, sensitive person who is beginning to understand the darkness around him. He's in law enforcement, but he might not be the most rules-oriented law enforcement officer out there. Here he's being tapped for an investigative role, it's not clear why, but perhaps this season will show the sort of transformation that occurs as Woodrugh becomes motivated by the chase against the darkness, the search for the pinpricks of light. Woodrugh is lost, detached, a man without a clear purpose, perhaps just like Rust Cohle was prior to realizing his obsession was trying to understand and conquer the darkness in the world around him.

That might be a bit of a simplistic reading, obviously, but I was struck by the call-back of the pin-pricked night sky in e1, thought it might have just been a visual tick to tie things together. But then it DEFINITELY flashes across the screen somewhere in e2, and it's definitely related to the Woodrugh character (who went from being a boring beefcake in e1 to an intriguing young man in e2). So I don't think it's an accident and I definitely think it's a motif tying to Rust Cohle's s1 ending speech.

Anyway, was lukewarm after e1, but e2 made up for any lack of momentum through the first 60 minutes.

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85. "I'mnot sure, I also saw them draw parallels with McAdams and Cohle"
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in the first episode. there's a shot of her riding passenger in a car and the way it's angled, the way the driver reacts to her and the way she reacts to the driver brought a lot of flashbacks to episode 1/2 M&M.
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52. "that psychiatrist was hella weird"
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sometimes I think they're being weird on this show for the sake of being weird but I don't really mind.

everything just felt smoother and more organic last season...but it's good enough to keep watching for sure.

opening credits are still on point.

  

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54. "see, I thought the shrink was part of the cult conspiracy"
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like how last season Reverend Tuttle was implicated, although never proven guilty of anything -- there was a whole vast conspiracy, but in the end only one person went to jail, even though Rust had video of heinous crimes involving way more than just one guy. That was kind of the moment it all kicked off for me, with the shrink being weird as shit for no reason, then dropping in the questions about McAdams' fucked up childhood (which obviously has a deeper story) right at the end. That was when I nodded and said hell yeah, we're gonna get to some weird cult shit eventually, all this mundane cop shit right now is just foreplay.

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58. "yep. could be."
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62. "the artwork in his office definitely hinted at it"
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http://i.imgur.com/inuzIKs.png

I'm sure we'll be seeing more of the doctor. That's Rick Springfield by the way, most notably the singer of "Jessie's Girl".

  

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63. "That is a good catch."
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But keep in mind there was a ton of symbolic artwork through the first season that almost trolled folks in the sense that it didn't lead to anything concrete in terms of identifying who the Yellow King was. Seems as if the show runners are going that route again with the art direction.

  

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65. "I was just gonna say, "ugh shit... Not again.""
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We're already doing the analyzing shit on the walls? like you said, didn't we learn out lesson with that last year?

I mean shit, at one point people thought Woody's daughter was the Yellow King and shit because of her crayon drawings

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66. "can't take credit for it, and you're right, pizzo likes red herrings"
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Learned from last season with all the clues he was dropping about the daughter. Some clues are stretches but I think every detail counts in this show, whether they're meant to be misleading or not.

Part of the fun experience of watching True Detective for me is following along with all the crazy fan theories. The reddit thread goes in depth with that if you're interested.

The bird head artwork is more of a direct connection than a lot of the stuff with Marty's daughter last season though.

  

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68. "Throw up the reddit link"
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I have a feeling looking at all those red herrings/possible clues will be more fun after the season is over, but that's just my perspective.

But getting back to that picture, the main reason I think that's a red herring is because I doubt dude would want to advertise he's part of a secret society by putting a picture up in his office than any and all could see. I do have to admire the level of detail the show runners have to drop those easter eggs.

  

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70. "i try to avoid spoilers, but like theories, discussion, and clarificatio..."
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Reddit's number of posters provides that better, though I participate more here because I'm used to it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/truedetective

I see what you're saying. The doctor's sketchiness and conversation with Ani raised my suspicions more than the artwork did. Yet the occult is known to openly display their affiliation and beliefs through symbology. It's a language that only the initiated or researchers know and if the wrong person asked the doctor about the artwork he could just feign ignorance.

  

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76. "i so enjoyed following r/truedetective from season 1"
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and on board for season 2.

  

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131. "most of the theories on there are"
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baseless, wild, confused, and outside of the themes/tone of the show.

it clutters the board, imo.

but there is some really good stuff in there.

  

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69. "they're only red herrings if you think the point is to catch the Bad Guy"
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all that shit in season 1 wasn't misleading. By the end of it, it was revealed that there was a widespread, lurking darkness, aided and abetted by a vast conspiracy to support Evil (with a capital "E") rituals throughout the region. Woody's little girl likely DID have some contact with the evilness. Reverend Tuttle likely WAS a widespread purveyor of evil.

And in this instance, the psychiatrist likely IS connected to whatever lurking darkness hides behind this season.

I watched the episode again with the g/f last night and he has a pretty clear creep to him. When discussing "the Good People" with Ani, he rather ominously seemingly defends her hippie parents by saying, "there are all kinds of truths in this world, all kinds of ways to seek it." So he's a man not "confined" by societal expectations of good and evil, he's willing to explore whatever he wishes. Which is exactly the cultish attitude to have.

Whether or not the shrink is a grandmaster or just a participant, it seems clear he has some connection. Which would explain why he had connection to the murder victim (name escapes me), because the victim was dabbling in this dark world as well (somewhat interestingly, this dark world seems to center around childhood sexual predation again).

My current guess is that it will be revealed that Ani's hippie commune, and their "social theory", was one of these communities that believed it's never too early to expose children to sexuality. So she grew up in a sexualized community, essentially enduring child molestation at the hands of adults, but done under the guise of "free love" and "consciousness expansion." The scene in e2 of Ani watching porn with a glass of whiskey is definitely a strange one...

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71. "RE: they're only red herrings if you think the point is to catch the Bad..."
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>The scene in e2 of Ani watching
>porn with a glass of whiskey is definitely a strange one...

All the other stuff you mentioned I don't fully agree with, but I'm not going to argue or debate the points because it is a matter of perception and not something that can be tied to objective empirical facts. I do however agree with you in regards to that scene with Ani you referenced. The fact the camera zoomed in on her eye while that scene went down and the musical cue was playing in the background as well was very weird to me. On the surface, it looked like she was following up on the prostitute angle for the case and she didn't appear out of the ordinary while looking at the labtop.

  

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72. "wasn't she watching her sister's videos?"
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I thought that was what the point of the scene was.

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74. "what i thought as well...at first"
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>On the surface, it looked like she was following
>up on the prostitute angle for the case

but it was definitely more about her personal enjoyment.

she's into some deviant shit...if u remember the first scene with her bf when he walks out of the bedroom and was bugging out about what she was into.

  

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77. "that's the first thing the g/f said, "she's watching cuz she's into it.""
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I think I need to watch episode 1 again, because I missed that angle. I thought it was research, but I dunno...

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78. "I think you're on to something"
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It goes back to that duality theme being pushing this season, Ani obviously takes interests into cases that involve women that could be tied to vice, abuse of sexual nature or human trafficking. Which is obviously out of some sense of justice, she's making up for what happened with "The Good People" by stoping these types of crimes.

At the same time we get her in the first episode freaking out the "boyfriend" in the bedroom, he's taken back by the fact that she wanted to have anal intercourse when they were in bed on the morning of the raid. Episode two sees Ani in the hotel room starting off by searching for possible fronts for prostitution/human trafficking/Child Abuse and then it turns to her seeking out extreme instances of porn (anal intercourse, DPs) and deriving pleasure from watching.

So that's her duality, she's a crusader against abuse of that nature, but still derives some form of pleasure from what could be considered sexual deviancy.

I think you're right about the molestation under the guise of free love and what not. She was victim like the other 5 children that were there, with two in jail, one committing suicide, and her becoming a police officer. I'm curious about her mother though, when she went to see her father he mentioned her "flair for the dramatic" which lead to her death (probably by suicide).

The cult angle I'm not seeing, but I think it was more of a Source Family, New Age kinda deal that went south for a period and then turned into some kind of profit based healing center or retreat.

Rick Springfield probably hung with them for a time while doing his early psych work and was kinda into it. He's doing some other shit, with the plastic surgery and what not. I think he's just another weird LA character and not some kind of connection to a cult. I would hope that Pizzo doesn't go with that angle in back to back seasons, this one has too many connections to shit that actually went on with Vernon (Vinci) being a corrupt city.

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127. "it's not clear it's anal"
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would the guy be that caught off guard by it? he seemed shocked/alarmed/confused.

  

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135. "You're probably right, I was taking my cue from the pron she was watchin..."
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138. "it could be. they just don't say what it was. "
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79. "Anyone peep the photo in the mayor's office?"
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When Vince is talking to him about the 10 g's
framed photo in the background is the mayor and Dubya
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67. "I was focused on that rock sitting on the desk"
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which they made a point of switching to

  

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88. "was that a 'vulvar' (the female equiv. of phallic) reference?"
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the rock on the psych's desk?

  

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89. "ha! first thing the g/f said about the rock, "it's cuz it's a vagina.""
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I was asking, "why that cutaway?" she says, "it's a vagina."

lol

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56. "Keep in mind it's LA this season...there will be a new weird character"
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every episode I imagine.

  

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57. "they've done a good job at making it very not "LA" though"
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like that crazy ass industrial city may as well be on another planet

  

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60. "yea they're giving folks some real shady LA"
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Vinci (Vernon) is just one of many cities around LA.

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73. "was better"
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75. "I'm happy"
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As far as summer TV watching goes...It is stellar TV. Season One must be separated from this. I believe people who don't will have a harder time enjoying this for what it is.
First 2 episodes got my full attention. The whole cast is at its best. The last time I enjoyed Collin Farrel was in Dead Man Down with Noomi Rapace.It's good to see him channel his in De Niro swag here.

Vince Vaughn works with what he's given. Both McAdams and Kitsch haven't had much to do just yet... Her interraction with Farrell's character was pretty good though. Kitsch is one of those actors that have a hard time making me forget they're acting ( Channing Tatum,Josh Hartnett,...). He has a chance to show what he's made of here, I guess.

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81. "ENUNCIATE you mumbling motherfuckers"
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82. "I'm watching this and Hannibal with captions turned on"
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i had some noise in the apartment, 2 mins into vince vaughn's monologue about being locked in the basement as a kid i had NO idea what he was talking about, started the episode over with captions

  

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83. "So the missing girl had to be one of the club prostitutes?"
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she's missing so obvious something happened to her, maybe she knew about Casper's scamming the deal and some how ended up dead or telling the wrong people. Could be connected to some bdsm people, would explain the rubber bullets and torture of Casper.

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91. "she went missing while working at the religious place"
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i think that's enough connection especially after the reference to "Good People" this week. there is likely a connection with the people Antigone's Dad works with and what is happening somehow.

I'm not sure there's any reason to believe she's a prostitute too. She wouldn't need to be a cleaning lady if she was.

  

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100. "Naw she worked there and left to take a new job"
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Remember when they're interviewing the cleaning ladies and the younger one said she quit to go work "The Club Scene".

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86. "prob means nothing but early in episode one camera makes a point"
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of having "Mulholland Drive" in focus on a road sign as Farrell gets onto the interstate.

that's my one little nugget of "oooh what does THAT mean" for now, haha.

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94. "Might have been a nod to David Lynch"
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Since this season seems to be borrowing a bit of Lynch's surreal swag. First ep in particular.

  

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130. "the singer in ep3 too"
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227. "wasn't that where Caspere is found?"
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87. "the initial negative reviews were so full of horseshit. shit is fire."
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can't believe the tidal wave of neg shit i read about s2 after only the first ep. which did NOT suck. and by ep2 it already has us hooked and at the precipice of entering into yet another deep dark corner of inhumanity. just hope Farrell SOMEHOW makes it to the nxt ep. otherwise, that shit was cold.

Vaughn is doing great work, btw.

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93. "sorry for being a bit off topic...but i'm just now watching season 1"
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i'm on episode 7...never before a show left me feeling so uncomfortable...and as a son of divorced parents some of the topics in this show are hard to digest...never happened to me before...damn, this is top notch acting/direction whatever..

  

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95. "that was a bummer"
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Not much crackin in episode 3

  

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96. "extremely slow episode, Vince slowly becoming more believable"
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as a menacing figure though.

It's only episode 3, but they'll have to give us something more substantial to chew on pretty soon.

  

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97. "this season is making me quite apoplectic"
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detective ray sure has an impressive vocabulary

  

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111. "When Vince's character threw the word back at him"
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It reminded me of that "These pretzels are making me thirsty!" bit from Seinfeld.

  

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113. "they're laughing at their own jokes"
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vaughn's usage of 'stridency' wasn't that much better

  

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turned that whole scene into a joke. so unnecessary.


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98. "vince vaughn has become unintentional comedy at this point."
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99. "was the mayor's son intentional or unintentional comedy?"
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This season is making a habit out of laughing at their own bad jokes

  

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101. "The mayor mentioned the son was a screw-up"
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in the prior episode, so I didn't have a problem with the portrayal either way.

I was surprised how overt the mayor was with showing his opulence. That house is too much given he's the mayor of such a small city. Dude just doesn't care that he's flaunting how rich he's gotten from being dirty.

  

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102. "The sad part is the Mayor of Vernon (Vinci) actually lives like that"
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105. "That's interesting."
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Is that actual mayor someone that was rich before he became a public official like Bloomberg or Schwarzenegger or is he actually dirty? Interesting that Pizzolatto did his research into a small town Cali mayor like that since I'm fairly certain dude comes from the South.

  

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112. "Funny enough it's just like the show"
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>Is that actual mayor someone that was rich before he became a
>public official like Bloomberg or Schwarzenegger or is he
>actually dirty? Interesting that Pizzolatto did his research
>into a small town Cali mayor like that since I'm fairly
>certain dude comes from the South.

Vernon is this small ass area about 5 miles out from downtown LA and it's all industrialized. Just like in True Detective the mayor is the great grandson of one of the town's founders. They basically did like in the show when the railroads came it the Furlong's along with Leonis moved to make the town industrial and got the railroads to move lines closer to them in order to bank off of the income.Then in the 20's they moved folks out again for big industry that keep going well in to WWII and after, funny enough their used to be a studebaker factory in Vernon. They kept raking in the dough through corruption and back end deals. The last two mayors were the relatives of the towns founders and it just keeps the cycle going

PIzzolatto took the whole back drop of this season from some real shit that happened. Vernon, Bell, and SouthGate (to a lesser extent) are all connected cities and feed off of each other. Just read these articles about Vernon from back in 2010, you'll see the salaries these city officials were making in a town of 91 residents.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/24/us/24vernon.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/aug/30/local/la-me-ln-vernon-malkenhorst-20130830
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/california-payroll-corruption-scandal-spreads-city-vernon/story?id=11597835

Here's a wiki article on Leonis C. Malburg the former mayor, I'm sure this season is mirroring: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonis_C._Malburg
Here's a wiki on Vernon itself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernon,_California#History

The city Manager in Bell was making $800,000.00 taking his notes from the way Vernon was running.

Vernon is a husk of a city and is scary as shit at night to drive through, the neighboring city of Bell used to have a high rate of prostitution and drug related crime that was driven from the workers and truck drivers in Vernon.

People rarely hear about the seedy underbelly of the Eastside of L.A.

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115. "Thanks for taking the time to make that response"
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and throwing up those links as well. I'll give those links a read when I get home tonight. Interesting to see corruption that transparent in modern times. Then again, campaign financing occurs in 2015 on the federal level, so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.

  

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122. "Man it happens everywhere"
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The funny thing though is the chain reaction that happens when one group falls. Soon after Vernon got their asses handed to them the City of Bell went down hard. City Manager is doing time, his secretary might do time, the guy that took over for the City Manager got killed by his girlfriend/wife (he was supposed to be an upstanding guy).

Just look up Robert Rizzo or as they call em out here Ratso Rizzo, son was banking $800K and his secretary made like 100K.

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118. "this is thoro. thx."
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143. "Cot damn, good looks on the links"
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Compelling as shit, especially considering the intersection of freeways Vernon sits on. Countless times driving past without a clue that shit was going on

  

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103. "Opulence, I has it."
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107. "ironically that actor is in here."
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108. "yeah the Russian gangster Osip that Vince is dealing with"
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that's what i was referring to.


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114. "him being a screw up is fine"
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i had a problem with the dialogue and the terrible attempt at a wannabe gangsta accent

  

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106. "iono he seemed like a gay nigga who got hoes."
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104. "i hope they fucking with us (the viewer) with this intrigue"
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of Who is fucking with Frank: as in intentional comedy about his toughness, leadership in comparison to viewers commentary about Vince's acting, believability; like, who the fuck was that Stan anyway, all stiff and wooden? as Frank said, ''he deserves better than this''.

this just specalutive flatus, nevermind, nervermind(lol).
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128. "were his eyes cut out too?"
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132. "RE: were his eyes cut out too?"
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yep. i see now Stan was one of Frank's crew.

  

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109. "eh"
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116. "Fred Ward: playing the pissed off white man since before it was in style"
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I'm fucking loving this season actually.

  

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117. "Was good to see him again"
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119. "Is part of your love"
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because this season is Cali based and you somewhat identify with what's on the screen?

  

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120. "i'd be lying if i said it didn't factor in at all"
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Fred Ward talking about the "glory days" of Daryl Gates was a nice touch, but really, it's pretty much a fantasyish depiction of Cali/LA, so it's not really a deciding factor for me. plus, the flip, it would only add to my disappointment if i wasn't feeling it.

it's just hitting on all levels to me. there are small moments that don't quite work (Vaughn's rat story, a few to many freeway shots) but overall, i'm really enjoying it.

  

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123. "I was hoping you'd be in on this post"
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I wanted to see what your take of them doing the lesser known sides of LA.

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133. "shit, if anything i'm learning more about Vernon from this lol"
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just listened to this stream called Welcome to Vinci
http://www.scpr.org/programs/welcome-to-vinci/2015/07/05/11721/

talks a bit about their decision to use different parts of LA county, to a trauma surgeon about Farrell's injury, and to an ex LAPD author about the gates era, and some police corruption/LA crime history. not super detailed, but worth a listen if you got 18 minutes

  

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136. "I should've known KPCC would do something on this season"
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Check my post up top, I dropped some links about Vernon, back in the early 00's when I used to work late shifts at the Airport I'd drive down to Bell since it had the closet Tommy's in the area and would go through Vernon every now and then to get back to my house. I used to think wtf is this area on the other side of Watts, all these train cards and giant ass factories. Out of curiosity I started reading up and getting info from my grandparents. The whole side of LA is really interesting and it's a shame no one cares about the area to turn it around.

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137. "Whoa, missed that reply. Thanks for that, man"
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>Check my post up top, I dropped some links about Vernon, back
>in the early 00's when I used to work late shifts at the
>Airport I'd drive down to Bell since it had the closet Tommy's
>in the area and would go through Vernon every now and then to
>get back to my house. I used to think wtf is this area on the
>other side of Watts, all these train cards and giant ass
>factories. Out of curiosity I started reading up and getting
>info from my grandparents. The whole side of LA is really
>interesting and it's a shame no one cares about the area to
>turn it around.
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124. "it can't be blake right?"
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and it not being him is kinda cheesy right?

'my phone died'

  

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129. "This post almost"
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makes me think the pay off from know what's going on might not be that great because so far, I don't truly care about any of the characters so for this season, Blake included. I suppose it's too early since only three episodes have aired so far, but the crappy writing is taking me out of the show too often so far.

  

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134. "I like Ray and his potential redemption arc"
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but the show has way too much going on right now. i'm curious about the potential cult aspect of this, the masks, who's involved. but there's way too much else taking up time - mostly characters just looking at each other for long periods of time.

  

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139. "That other henchman-- the "half anaconda, half great white" line guy?"
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He creeps me the fuck out. His responses seem insanely measured.

I'd bet on the Blake "my phone died" thing as a red herring, and, if any of the henchmen are involved, it's that creepy motherfucker.

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125. "question: did frank have velocoro kill the wrong &amp;quot;rapist&amp;qu..."
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went back and watched all 3 episodes again.

velcoro has dark hair. his ex wife has dark hair. the man that frank said raped velcoros wife has dark hair.

velcoros son is a ginger (may just be a case of genetic odds and a redhead being somewhere in the rapists lineage...but im pretty sure it was meant to be overt)

did frank manipulate velcoro into handling some of his dirty work? the police launched an investigation and it seems like they had that same guy pinned as the rapist too. but frank has the typa reach to have evidence planted and frame someone.

or was velocoros ex wife sleeping with somebody else?

edit: frank has that one tall henchman that is a ginger too.

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126. "blake doesn't strike me as a rapist"
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but he is a key part of this - almost too obviously. "where's blake?" "my phone died" cmon.

but the ex-wife seems to KNOW that Ray roughed-up or killed someone to 'protect her' so she would probably know if it wasn't the right guy.

  

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140. "I get the impression people just don't WANT Vince to be serious."
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I remember people having a similar reaction to his role in The Break-Up (which I just re-watched on HBO) because they were expecting Old School Vince. The only scenes people really responded to at the time were the ones that were basically references to Swingers.


Like I think I said elsewhere, I'm expecting a somewhat slow descent into madness for his character, and I think Vince is generally pulling it off well.


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142. "I don't get the Vince hate"
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I think he's doing fine.

  

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145. "Vince is giving, at worst, the second best performance on the show."
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I might even give him first.

People keep making fun of what he's doing for reasons I simply can't wrap my head around. He's a natural with the pulpy dialogue he's given, and he's acting his ass off.

Those who think he's doing poorly must think he's "trying too hard to not be funny" or something dumb like this, and they must forget that Vince did a fuckload of indie dramas in his day, and he's a more-than-capable serious actor when given the material.

If people wanted to gripe about the writing, because the pulpy shit isn't their bag, that I would understand, and Vaughn is easily given the most stylishly pulpy lines on the show by a landslide (McAdams comes in second). Not digging his character based on the writing? Sure, I get it. I really like it, but I'd understand. Not digging his character because "he can't act"/"he's a funny man trying too hard to be serious"/etc? Baffling to me.

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141. "Do people really hate this or is it just cool?"
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Is it as good as the first season? Nope.

Is it as bad as you'd believe reading things like OKP online? Nope.

N/M

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144. "I think the problem is S1 set the bar so high..."
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... with a focused narrative centered on really just the two detectives.

Here there's a lot of different threads, the corruption angles aren't as overt as the religious cult thing and a ton of names can make things hard to follow.

After finishing S1 over about two weeks, I still like it better after 3 eps but after watching S2E3 last night, the current season is growing on me a lot (especially after reading Jiggys links on Vernon).

Woody and Wooderson are a tough act to follow though.

  

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146. "I don't hate it. I'm bored with it. "
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To me, they have not set anything up that I care or am even curious about. The closest thing they did that I thought was going to kick in in gear, they did an "or nah..." on (Colin getting shot). Last year, the case was intriguing. This year could be but instead I gotta watch John Carter look stupid.

On the above topic though, Vaughn is great. I just wish the overall story would kick into gear.

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148. "^^^ the correct answer ^^^"
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it isn't good or bad. It's just on.

  

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153. "exactly."
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it's been background TV so far.

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147. "season 1 was GOAT season of a series status..."
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but people aren't letting this season breathe at all...not just on here either. People were calling it trash after 1 episode. It's still dope and i'm still all in...don't think it'll live up to the first season but it's still promising.

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149. "As others have said, don't hate it, there's just too much going on"
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Most of it doesn't have anything to do with the case. And most of it I don't care it.

Frank and Ray are the only real characters so far. They're STARTING to make Bezerides a real character, so I'll be patient there. But Riggins playing the "damaged by the war, repressed homo-sexual vet" isn't doing much for me. Which is a shame, because Riggins deserves better.

I don't think Vince is as bad as others are saying, but he's not knocking it out of the park either. That "rats in the dark" sequence was bad, but he's had other good moments.

I think they just need to focus. Season 1 did a good job at balancing the case and the main character's psychoses. I'm hoping this one finds its way soon.

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150. "it's like 8 different shows"
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S1 (I just watched)

seemed like a couple of different shows, but they were all beautifully shot, and typically well written.

S2, so far, is not that.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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152. "I prefer this season to season one."
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>Is it as good as the first season? Nope.


As in, I like episodes 1-3 this season better than episodes 1-3 last year.

Outside Tim RIggins, I like these characters about the same as least year, and the actors are all doing excellent work. The chemistry was better last year, I'll admit. Seems like McAdams is having the best luck with that department this season. Her with Farrell is good, as is her with Tim Riggins.

I'm digging this case a lot more. Seems tighter to me, and less reliant on the mysterious powers-that-be angle. I also like this atmosphere better - as well as music, cinematography, etc.

This David Lynch meets Raymond Chandler thing works for me.

  

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154. "Sheeples"
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I'd say that 70% of the people I know did not watch season One when it started they only got interested after the iconic 6 minutes single take episode aired, when it was all over the news and the internet...Most of them are the one out here gum-smacking how bad this season are. Go watch procedural then I'm sure Criminal Minds and 24 is more your speed. GTFOH!

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155. "seems like the mayor set them up"
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157. "Yup...and at least they have finally given us a reason"
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To give a sh!t finally.

The f#ck I care about a dead city mgr???

Was wondering when the stakes were going
to be raised.

  

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160. "was made obvious...but damn that would be some fucked up shit"
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the mayor's comment about getting back safe and the vinci police brass with their ominous/weighty facial expressions (which seems to be a permanent affliction for them)...

I guess the assumption was that it would just be Ani/Velcoro and riggins and it wouldn't spill out into the street like that.

Ain and Velcoro's reactions at the end standing amongst the bodies (and based on ani's uniform change in the upcoming preview) seems like they may take the fall for all the carnage.

  

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166. "I don't think they were supposed to make it."
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- guy was like y'all don't reaaaaaally need all those cops to go with y'all
- they are told to enter and take the suspect instead of waiting for him to come out
- dude starts shooting before they get to the building

Seems like maybe Frank might give them a hand? He told his wife to go back inside, and it's likely he knew what that building was.

  

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156. "a Samurai, a Cowboy, a Soldier: True Detective Season 2, 1-4"
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I'd like to think we've now moved out of developing these characters anymore and that moving forward the focus will instead shift towards arriving at a conclusion.

McAdams is a Samurai. She prefers knives to guns and wants to control her physical interactions as close as possible (like S&M). She's a warrior like the other two but violence is a last resort. Keep in mind why she carries the knives in the first place- to defend herself.

Farrel is a cowboy. All he's certain of is that. He even rides a horse - he drives a Mustang. His outlook varies from McAdams in that he understands that sometimes there will be lives lost, but he doesn't enjoy violence. It's a means to an end, but not a cure all.

Kitsch is a soldier. Most comfortable in conflict. Obviously he was most composed during and after the gunfight. He's quickest to pull the trigger, but also most accurate with the gun as well; it's the only solution he understands so he'd better be good at it. Efficiency is everything to this guy - why drive a car when you can dodge traffic on a motorcycle? That's basically his outlook on everything.

The joke being told here is that the more advanced the warrior gets, the less intelligent he/she gets as well. Kitsch says he did everything he was asked to do by both his leaders in military and police- the only father figures he's ever had. He killed women and children in Afghanistan. Farrel's the middle ground - he knows he SHOULD be a dad at least, he just sucks at it. And McAdams was smart enough to realize if your dad is a nutbar you can just leave.

Still, for as tedious as this has been at times, I'll give the show the benefit of the doubt on the notion that fleshing out four characters (including Vaughn) just feels like it takes more time. This was ths first episode that satisfied, and I finally came away with a clear cut idea of who everyone is. Here's hoping they can ride this momentum down the second half.

  

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165. "Cool read, gonna start viewing them through this prism now n/m"
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202. "This is dope...but doesn't Farrell drive a Charger?"
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425. "Jeah but he wore a cowboy hat in the finale"
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That might've been my favorite scene

  

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158. "Aaaaaaaaaand ACTION"
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159. "who keeps booking that depressing ass bar singer?"
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161. "business is booming at that bar...can't mess w/a good thing"
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163. "Lmao at both of these"
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184. "^^^^^^"
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162. "that scene woke my ass up"
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i was getting ready to throw a shoe at the TV during Riggins' backstory scenes. just not interested AT ALL.

  

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164. "Yep, was another slowww episode until that"
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167. "I'm really trying to like this season"
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And I see a large faction of people coming out with the "you must be an idiot if you aren't liking this season" mentality... on the other side, you have the the usual haters... but ultimately, I just don't find myself giving a flying fuck about any of the characters at all, or where they end up, or if they solve the case...

Last year, not only was I invested in Rust and Marty, I badly wanted to see the real bad guys get caught. Last year the villain was kidnapping and torturing little girls. This year the villain is killing corrupt assholes. I don't even really care if the case gets solved from that standpoint. I wanted Rust and Marty to catch the true bad guy and win on a personal level, get some sort of happy ending. I really don't care about any of the cops in this one, or Frank Semien having a kid or not.

Last night when they went to catch the fall guy, I was hoping they'd catch him alive for an interrogation. Last season, some of the best scenes were the interrogations where the criminals would give us these little crazy clues, was really hoping for that last night. Instead, we get the Ledo guy taken out, KNOWING he was 100% made to take the fall, they didn't give us any real intrigue at all.

Last year, we got to see Marty and Rust interviewing the weirdest people, this year those kind of weird clues are given with Ani and her Father, and I just don't really care about how they all connect.

I'll still watch, and I think the actors are doing a fine job, but it just has not connected with me at all unfortunately. And I did not enter this season wanting to compare the two seasons, but it's hard not to. My fear going in was a lot of the intrigue of last season was almost just dumb luck in a sense that we got so caught up in some of the clue's that didnt even end up meaning anything (the little girls drawing, the convo with Marty and his father in law, the picture with the 5 guys with the hats, etc etc etc) That stuff just kind of organically took over the internet even though NP said all along it was coincidental and not overly important

with all that being said... enough groundwork has been laid to really turn up the final 4 episodes, but I'm not sure it's going to feel like a strong enough pay off

  

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168. "it's reminding me of the sopranos"
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>And I see a large faction of people coming out with the "you
>must be an idiot if you aren't liking this season"
>mentality.

where people are getting butt hurt if you aren't lauding the show

thing is, everyone loved the first season...did all of those who are critical of this season become stupid overnight?

  

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171. "it hasn't been good. It's all over the place and it drags."
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I'm holding out hope that they pull something out of their tails down the stretch.

  

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179. "i hear you but you really need to stop comparing it..."
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you want to see season 1...watch season 1. at this point if you haven't come to grips with the fact that this will not be another season 1 then you might as well shut it off.

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169. "as much as I'm enjoying this season I often find myself confused."
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in a bad way. like I cannot remember what JUST happened, or why a certain scenario is occurring. like the shootout - I literally just glazed over what they were talking about in the Vinci PD and when the shots started popping off I was left extremely curious. and then throughout the shootout it felt bizarrely uncoordinated in a way they never did last year, or in most shootouts really. it seemed like they often had clear shots on the bad guys they weren't taking, and EVERYONE was a bad shot. plus the drug dealers seemed way too overtly "evil", just unloading entire mac-11 clips into a public bus and what not.

again, I'm actually enjoying this season a lot, but moment to moment I often feel like I have no idea what's happening.

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170. "This season has some poor editing/sequencing"
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Like, sometimes it has added to the surreal tone, but more often than not scenes feel abrupt and shift between sub-plots arbitrarily. The autopsy in episode two is a good example of using non-linear structure at the least appropriate time.

In this episode you have the police characters investigating separate threads (the pawn shop, the mining lands) that were minimally or never addressed previously (let alone in the episode), leading to little viewer investment in the events presented.

  

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172. "The editing between scenes has been occasionally jarring."
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One scene will be going, then abruptly end with a dissolve, as if the the previous scene had obviously ended.

I'm still engaged in 95% of what's going on (the newest episode helped with that a *lot* by giving Kitsch and McAdams more to do), but I understand why some don't like it. I'm not one of these "IT WAS ALL FUKUNAGA DOWN WITH THAT ASSHOLE PIZZOLATTO" guys, but you can definitely feel the relative lack of refinement in the visuals compared to last year.

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174. "*ding*"
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> relative lack of refinement in the visuals

That's what's bothered me about this season... I just couldn't put my finger on it. Thanks for pointing it out.

There's been a lack of cohesion in how scenes have been edited, leading me to have the same sorta lingering confusion that Nodima had. Something's off to me... maybe it's lack of the singular vision from having multiple directors or the multitangled plot lines, but I constantly feel just a bit lost. And I watch with captions too.

Still really intrigued by the show, though I'm somewhat put off by Vince Vaughn's stiffness. Like rjc27 said, I really don't care if Frank Semyon has a kid or not.

  

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180. "i feel you on this...the action sequence felt sloppy"
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and i am definitely confused. they haven't done a great job tying all of these things together...i'm having a hard time following it all.

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214. "I'm constantly rewinding and then realizing I ain't miss shit"
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Like, I didn't think that was important but I just wanted to make sure.

I don't expect the same thing as last season, but their banter was more important than the case, to me. Now, I'm more concerned with this case. I don't really care about any of their drama they all seems to ask for whatever situation their in.. I cared when Colin (I don't even care about their names) got blasted in the chest and crazy shoot out.

And I don't mind the cast that much, but I'm starting to groan when Vaughn is on the screen. His lady is cool tho.

  

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173. "It's just getting really bad."
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Has the dialogue been this shitty all season long?

Frank telling his wife he's in "warp drive and trying to navigate through the blur"? This is how crime bosses talk in Vinci?

Ani telling Velcoro "you're a mood ring" after her dad told him about his green and black aura? Just feeling so cheesy.

I'm rooting for Vaughn and I dig him in dramatic roles but I'm just not buying him in this one. Is he supposed to appear menacing when he delivers that "never had a cavity" line immediately after nearly begging for them to make that deal? Or is that the point?

Let's not even get into how terrible that fight scene looked last episode that ended with him taking dude's grill.

I just don't get how last season could have been so riveting and this one is overwhelmingly meh. Like others have said, this dead city manager--who gives a shit? I'll keep watching and see this through but it's not going great. Hope Pizzolatto knows what he's doing.






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177. "it kind of seems the whole thing was rushed..."
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From the "who give's a sh!t?" story about a dead corrupt city mgr, to the lack of real depth to the characters, to the dialogue, etc.

I'm starting to think it wasn't ready to take out of the oven.

Homeboy probably worked on season 1 for years, season 2 maybe 6 months?

It's like someone thought all they had to do was get some big names in the cast and fall back.

And unfortunately some of the actors are taking the heat for it. I think each actor is doing fine to great...but what are you supposed to do with a "I never had a cavity" line??

Also, maybe the director for season 1 (forget his name, my bad) didn't get enough credit for that year's awesomeness. Hopefully they still have dude's number if there is a season 3....



  

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182. "the mood ring line would've been hilarious from Woody H last year"
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This show misses Woody's character type a lot more then MM's... It misses the fun, Woody's character made me laugh, often, also allowed me to see some legendary titties... everyone on this season hates fucking life, so it's hard for me not to hate life during


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190. "Only if he had first said 'float like a gravity'"
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>Is he supposed to appear
>menacing when he delivers that "never had a cavity" line
>immediately after nearly begging for them to make that deal?

  

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204. "RE: It's just getting really bad."
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>Has the dialogue been this shitty all season long?
>
>Frank telling his wife he's in "warp drive and trying to
>navigate through the blur"? This is how crime bosses talk in
>Vinci?
>
>Ani telling Velcoro "you're a mood ring" after her dad told
>him about his green and black aura? Just feeling so cheesy.
>
>I'm rooting for Vaughn and I dig him in dramatic roles but I'm
>just not buying him in this one. Is he supposed to appear
>menacing when he delivers that "never had a cavity" line
>immediately after nearly begging for them to make that deal?
>Or is that the point?
>
>Let's not even get into how terrible that fight scene looked
>last episode that ended with him taking dude's grill.
>
>I just don't get how last season could have been so riveting
>and this one is overwhelmingly meh. Like others have said,
>this dead city manager--who gives a shit? I'll keep watching
>and see this through but it's not going great. Hope
>Pizzolatto knows what he's doing.


Dialogue has always been bad
Writing was alway mediocre
What you had last season was a new show w great actors and a fantastic director
The actors are good but the writer and the genre is so played
You are seeing the result
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175. "I'm trying to figure out why they're presenting all this kid drama"
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Vaughn wants a kid.
Kitsch having a kid.
Farrell's trying to keep his kid in his life.

This can't all be coincidence, so where you guys think they're going with this? They gonna skip ahead 30 years for the finale and show how these kids turned out? Lol.

  

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There's all the stuff about Bezerides' father and how she and her sister are as screwed as they are because of his new age commune. They're hinting at all this stuff about the mayor's father, plus showing how his son is a complete fuck-up and his daughter is severely damaged. I think it's all a set up for the basic "sins of the father being visited upon the children" plotline.

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178. "The killer is Caspere's kid. Has to be."
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It's just a matter of which person is Caspere's kid.

The father/son stuff is very obviously the focus. You didn't even mention Vaughn's big speech about how his father fucked him up, the obvious ways in which Farrell's dad fucked him up, etc., so I'd be stunned if it's not Caspere's illegitimate kid who did it. I mean, they spelled it CasPERE, for fuck's sake. That can't be coincidence.

It looks like the show *will* be moving forward into the future, so I wouldn't be surprised if we continue to see how fathers fuck up their sons.

I did read an interesting theory that the killer could be Frank, that he had a split from reality during the traumas of his childhood, and that he could be unaware of what his other self is doing. That may be a little cliche for my taste (the old "the detective is the murderer!" thing), but I trust Pizzolatto, frankly.

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181. "Don't forget McAdams father issues"
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damn i didn't even realize how much of the show revolved around that...good call

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183. "That's because we're spending most of our brainpower"
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keeping up with the plot. It's the time in between episodes when you can actually think about some other shit. Another reason why watching shows while they're airing is so different than binge watching them once the season's over and trying to digest everything at once.

  

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185. "Do you mean "Paul" here?"
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>I did read an interesting theory that the killer could be
>Frank, that he had a split from reality during the traumas of
>his childhood, and that he could be unaware of what his other
>self is doing. That may be a little cliche for my taste (the
>old "the detective is the murderer!" thing), but I trust
>Pizzolatto, frankly.

I had thought they might be setting it up so that Paul did it: 1) why the guy in the mask doesn't kill Velcoro, a fellow cop, 2) the guy sets the car on fire then escapes, and then Paul wakes up the next morning not remembering anything, 3) Paul's motorcycle is "stolen", but maybe he rode it somewhere during his blackout and left it near a crime scene. It might also explain why they show Dixon following him, taking pictures. The mayor probably knows what's going on and what's to keep tabs on him/have blackmail material.

I agree that it would be cliche, but I could see it shaking out that way.

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191. ""We put some fires out last night didn't we.""
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192. "Nope, he discovered the body."
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194. "I was following the psychotic break/"unaware of leading another life"..."
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...part of the equation. In that he's doing all of this shit, but isn't remembering that he's doing it because it's his other personality or whatever. So one personality kills him and leaves the body there, and the other personality "discovers" it.

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195. "the body was also taken to the spot in a car"
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I don't think Kitsch owns one.

  

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193. "I meant Frank. Here's a read from the WSJ breaking it down:"
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http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2015/07/13/true-detective-theory-could-this-main-character-be-the-killer/

So far in “True Detective” season two, we have gotten to know four protagonists, and they are all damaged in their own ways.

Frank Semyon (Vince Vaughn), the crime boss trying to turn legitimate, is unique among them because despite his nightmarish back story and crooked ways, he seems to have it all together at first. Then things fall apart. He’s the main character with the most at stake in the central mystery of the show, since he and the main murder victim, a local politician and businessman named Ben Caspere, were going in on a huge land deal together. Caspere’s death really gets to him. It haunts him, really.

Here’s how everything lines up.

We have learned that Caspere was involved with some unsavory folks, from the weird psychiatrist Dr. Pitlor (Rick Springfield) to the corrupt Vinci Mayor Austin Chessani, who has some twisted family issues himself. In fact, episode four revealed that Pitlor, Caspere and Chessani, not to mention sheriff’s officer Ani Bezzerides’s (Rachel McAdams) father Eliot, might have had stronger and deeper connections than were apparent at first. There is also a big, mysterious corporation named Catalyst Group, and a potential sex cult with shades of Bohemian Grove that may be at work in the shadows. Still, a few details in Frank’s story arc have stood out through four knotty episodes of the eight-episode season.

A telling hint, although this may be too literal a reading of what he was saying, is that showrunner and creator Nic Pizzolatto, in an interview with Vanity Fair, described season two as an “Oedipus Rex”-style detective story in which “the detective is searching and searching and searching, and the culprit is him.” It’s a theme common in noir, and in many ways “Oedipus Rex” is the first noir detective story.

In the play, which is part of a trilogy by Sophocles, Oedipus finds out that he, because he unwittingly killed his own father and married his mother, is the reason for a plague. Oedipus also blinds himself, an image that resonates with Caspere’s dead body in “True Detective.” (It’s also worth noting that “Antigone,” about Oedipus’s daughter, is the title of another play in the Sophocles trilogy. Ani’s full name is Antigone.)

Frank, even though he’s on the other side of the law, has done his fair share of detective work so far this season. Caspere had millions of Frank’s dollars, and the money is gone now. Understandably, Frank wants to know where his money is.

The key to everything, though, might be the opening scene of episode two. Frank and his wife, Jordan, are talking in bed before the dawn. Two water stains on the ceiling catch Frank’s eye and clearly disturb him to the point of revealing a horrifying secret about his past. Frank tells a story about a time when his drunken father left him locked in a pitch-black basement, leaving the young Frank to fend for himself against hungry rats.

Meditating on the stains, he says: “Something’s trying to tell me it’s all papier mache. Something’s telling me to wake up. Like I’m not real. Like I’m only dreaming.” Could he mean that another side of him, perhaps unleashed by that horrific time in the basement, is gnawing at him like one of the rats did? Have Frank’s demons manifested themselves in an even worse version of himself?


Vince Vaughn and Kelly Reilly in ‘True Detective.’ HBO
There’s precedent for this kind of thing in TV murder mysteries. In “Twin Peaks,” the killer of Laura Palmer turned out to be her own father, Leland. Only, Leland wasn’t in control of himself. He was under the possession of the evil spirit Bob. Could Frank Semyon be under the influence of some malignant aspect of his psyche that was brought on by his childhood trauma? This season of “True Detective” has echoed “Twin Peaks” co-creator David Lynch’s work in many ways already this season, as Vulture critic Bilge Ebiri points out. Lynch’s “Mulholland Dr.” also focused on a “dreamer,” played by Naomi Watts, who seemed to be repressing murderous guilt.

Another telling detail: At the end of Frank’s grim anecdote, the camera cuts to the twin stains on the ceiling, and then the scene fades into a shot of Caspere’s face. The murder victim’s two acid-burned eyes line up directly with the stains on Frank’s ceiling. Later, in episode four, Frank is so disturbed by two stains on a tablecloth that look a lot like the ones in his bedroom that he covers them with his coffee cup.

Then there’s the question of why the killer shot Caspere in the genitals. Why would Frank, in a fugue state, do such a thing? Perhaps it would have to do with his subconscious feeling of impotence as he and his wife fail repeatedly to have a child. He clearly has well-established father issues, and his need to become a father himself might be too much for him to handle.

How does this all tie into killing Ben Caspere, though? The deal the two were working on — funded by deep troughs of federal money — would have represented a turning point for Frank. He would have been “legitimate,” and he wouldn’t need to rely so heavily on a criminal career to make his living.

This idea might have been too much for his disturbed, guilt-ridden dark side to handle. Indeed, the Caspere murder leaves Frank broke and in need of some quick cash, so he goes back into his previous criminal enterprises. He has to hustle, to get tough. He looks like he’s back in his element. Frank even offers a somewhat-sober Ray, who also seems to be getting his mojo back, an opportunity to quit the force and join his newly rejuvenated crime organization. A coherent, more competent Ray, working a murder case with a clear head, would be a liability for Frank. Being a good(ish) guy isn’t a good look for Frank. He needs to be that guy who can rip out a rival’s teeth with pliers.

As he tells Ray, deep down inside Frank operates under the idea that maybe your worst self is your best self.

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196. "I just don't buy it. What was the reason for him killing Stan? "
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What subconscious thing about Frank killing Stan do we not know?

I still think its Chessani trying to make a few bucks and keep the wheels in Vinci turning as usual.

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198. "Yeah, their motive explanation is shaky"
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It's essentially that he subconsciously doesn't want to go straight and wants to get back in the game, so he forces himself into a situation where he has to.

I'm of the opinion that it's Chessani's son. Or a son of Caspere who hasn't appeared yet or just hasn't been revealed yet.

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199. "Stan stumbled onto something we don't know about yet."
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Currently no one has any motive to kill Stan, other than a vague all-encompassing "make Frank squirm" thing, which seems... well, vague, especially considering we hardly knew who the fuck Stan was and there are plenty of more direct ways to make the already-squirming Frank squirm further.

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200. "I don't buy that it's Chessani, because... well, it makes no sense."
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Why would the Mayor dump a body far enough away that it would further fan the flames of a state investigation when found? He benefits way more if Caspere simply disappears, or gets paid off to go away, or anything else.

Plus, they've been setting up him as the primary suspect for a while now, which means I really doubt they'd go straight down that path.

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201. "right....but he's definitely involved somehow"
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186. "And even further, Kitsch's mom"
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was introduced as a deadbeat and apparently will be getting more screentime based on the next preview.

They're really beating us over the head with this, aren't they.

  

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187. "RE: The killer is Caspere's kid. Has to be."
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But who would be Caspere's kid? I think this is just some straight forward evil shit being done by the Mayor. Velcoro seems to know the score and it makes sense because he knows all of the dealings that happen in Vinci, it's his town and almost nothing happens without his fingers dipping in.

I think he saw that Frank was going to go big with the land deal and either out of jealousy, greed, or both, e set up Frank, killed Caspere and took the $7 mil. He had that other dick watching Riggins, I'm sure he knew that Velcoro was on Frank's payroll, Ani is the one anomaly that's getting in his way.

My thoughts are this.

Mayor finds out (more like is told) about Franks deal and Caspere's involvement with the $7 mil.

Mayor talks to Rick Springfield whom he has a family connection with about Caspere's, shall we say proclivities (hookers, fetish/BDSM) and figures thats the play

Mayor gets his d-bag son to use his party connections to track Caspere's movements and have Caspere killed. Killer moves the body away from Vinici, and they ramsack the house to make it look like a normal B&E.

All of this then leads the detectives on this wild chase for Caspere's killers with the end result to be the detectives die while trying to capture the perp. Of course they take everyone and a crazy shootout happens.

Didn't the info on the perp come from the drunky cop that was tailing Riggins? They put him with Velcoro on the case and even Velcoro was like "Him?"


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188. "my money's on ass pen."
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189. "I'm hoping that this doesn't end up being some disgruntled farmer"
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Since they mentioned the land is so poisoned that they are being forced to move. Which would connect it to Vinci with all the waste they dump.

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203. "anyone feel like there's scenes missing?"
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that scene in the beginning of last episode where Kitsch
is mobbed at the hotel by the media / tmz / paparazzi crews?

that scene felt like it came OUTTA NOWHERE!

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205. "It does"
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But it's not riveting to watch so I figure
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206. "yeah that scene was weird as hell..."
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granted the thing with the actress is constantly talked about but how it somehow became major news to the point of him being mobbed...hell i didn't even remember that he was staying at a hotel lol

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207. "right? Seemed like a dream sequence."
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209. "Really weird source...."
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but Polygon (a video game site) actually has some really great in-depth analysis on the episodes. First article is a scene by scene recap of S2E1 written after S2E2 aired. The writer pointed out something I missed the first time I watched: Mayor Chessani being pissed to Frank about the LA Times news story of Vinci's corruption.

Something else interesting the writer noted was that the title sequence's lyrics change each episode, like:

**Episode one**

My woman's here
My children, too
Their graves are safe
From ghosts like you

In places deep
With roots entwined
I live the life I left behind

The war was lost
The treaty signed
I was not caught
I crossed the line
I was not caught
Though many tried
I live among you
Well-disguised

**Episode two**

I could not kill
The way you kill
I could not hate
I tried, I failed

You turned me in
At least you tried
You side with them
Whom you despise

But nevermind
Nevermind
I live the life I left behind
There's truth that lives
And truth that dies
I don't know which
So nevermind

If you're interested in digging deeper, I would recommend checking these links out; definitely increased my appreciation for the show.

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Episodes 2 & 3:
http://www.polygon.com/2015/7/7/8901145/true-detective-season-2-explain-details-characters-plot-help-episode-2-3-recap-overview-walkthrough

Episode 4:
http://www.polygon.com/2015/7/15/8962955/true-detective-season-2-episode-4-explain-details-characters-plot-help-shot-shootout-mexican-drugs

  

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211. "good looks."
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But if you don't got time for alla dat, I would suggest reading just the link for S2E4. Writer does a great job recapping prior episodes (what we're expected to know) and the state of the characters.

Really compelling stuff, and so much of the show has been made clear for me.

  

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215. "Second season blows so bad I wonder if there will be a third "
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I have no idea what's happening. Am I just dumb?

  

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217. "Read this, clears it up."
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http://www.polygon.com/2015/7/15/8962955/true-detective-season-2-episode-4-explain-details-characters-plot-help-shot-shootout-mexican-drugs

The whole article is spot on. He called Frank's waste management dilemma before episode 5 aired.

I think he's also spot on in predicting that Chessani/Osip/Blake?/Catalast? are all in cahoots in slowly muscling Frank out of Vinci.

  

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Auk_The_Blind
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Mon Jul-20-15 02:11 PM

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223. "RE: Read this, clears it up."
In response to Reply # 217


  

          

>I think he's also spot on in predicting that
>Chessani/Osip/Blake?/Catalast? are all in cahoots in slowly
>muscling Frank out of Vinci.

They aren't necessarily in "cahoots", but each is directly or indirectly responsible for Caspere's death and Frank's decline. Velcoro's tailing of Blake and subsequent beatdown of Rick Springfield highlights the different groups at play:

1. Osyp (the Russian) + Blake (Frank's #2)
2. Mayor Chesani + A.G. Geldorf + Vinci P.D.
3. The Catalyst Group

Additionally, Tony Chesani (