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"Steve Jobs (Boyle, 2015)"
Thu Sep-03-15 12:53 PM by Frank Longo

  

          

I searched but didn't see a post.

The trailer debuted last night during the finale of Mad Men.

Here's a link - http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/18/technology/steve-jobs-movie-trailer/index.html

Fassbinder really looks like Jobs. He has the same facial expression Jobs would have in the trailer.

The cast looks alright. Not sure about Rogen, but he was good in 50/50.



  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
How could this not suck?
May 18th 2015
1
On paper, a Facebook movie sucks.
May 18th 2015
2
it SUCKED as a movie too
May 19th 2015
6
      Nah
Sep 14th 2015
19
      lol
Oct 09th 2015
21
      only after Bimbolake showed up
Oct 09th 2015
24
the script is supposed to be incredible
May 19th 2015
5
audience participation
May 18th 2015
3
Ha.
May 18th 2015
4
Well played
Sep 14th 2015
17
HAHAHA
May 19th 2015
7
New tailer is dope
Jul 01st 2015
8
Fassbender killing it
Jul 01st 2015
9
He only looks like him in his final years
Jul 04th 2015
10
RE: He only looks like him in his final years
Jul 06th 2015
12
      Never said that.
Jul 06th 2015
13
a Rogan bark-a-thon and Fassbender struggle accent...nah
Jul 04th 2015
11
RE: Steve Jobs (Boyle, 2015)
Sep 06th 2015
14
Didn't we already do this?
Sep 13th 2015
15
Jobs came out in 2013.....
Sep 14th 2015
16
even if the first one was complete shit
Sep 14th 2015
18
Yo Jobs was a real nigga.
Oct 04th 2015
20
Nah, he was a first rate asshole.
Oct 09th 2015
27
He is these things in the movie.
Oct 09th 2015
28
      RE: He is these things in the movie.
Oct 20th 2015
35
           This is the great drama of this movie, though.
Oct 21st 2015
36
                The great drama is in learning that Steve Jobs hated the Walkman
Oct 26th 2015
45
                     We disagree on a fundamental level.
Oct 26th 2015
46
                          Did you know the original Macintosh was built to look like a face?
Oct 27th 2015
49
                               LOLzers
Mar 12th 2016
74
nah he was a piece of shit
Mar 12th 2016
73
Fucking outstanding. All hail Sorkin.
Oct 09th 2015
22
Great movie really well done, Jeff Daniels was great
Oct 09th 2015
23
Why (or how) did two movies get made?
Oct 09th 2015
25
to promote different generations of the iPhone
Oct 09th 2015
26
There were movie versions of Jobs before the Kutcher one.
Oct 09th 2015
29
      All fictionalized
Oct 09th 2015
30
           As is every movie based on a real person ever.
Oct 09th 2015
31
                Exactly
Oct 10th 2015
33
                     Funny how black biopics never have this freedom
Nov 03rd 2015
65
                          Nah, American Sniper takes that crown.
Nov 04th 2015
66
Triumph over lackluster material.
Oct 10th 2015
32
Maybe "non-filmic" over "lackluster"
Oct 10th 2015
34
Uninteresting protagonist + insufferable Sorkin dialogue
Oct 24th 2015
37
it's kinda bombing....
Oct 24th 2015
38
White male bully manipulates smart weak people, gets rich
Oct 24th 2015
39
      LMAO idiot.
Oct 25th 2015
40
      Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.
Oct 26th 2015
41
      yeah,,,the NWA angle is huge. and yeah, this joint BOMBING bad, too
Oct 26th 2015
42
in this line
Mar 12th 2016
75
Apple is DOOMED
Oct 26th 2015
43
We learned why Steve Jobs doesn't believe in the Stylus!
Oct 26th 2015
44
i'm glad i came into this post to read your replies
Mar 12th 2016
76
CinemaScore: A-.
Oct 27th 2015
47
It has a big Q score? Well then it must be great.
Oct 27th 2015
48
I'm not saying it must be great. I'm saying people like it.
Oct 27th 2015
51
      I hear and respect what you say but I take except to one thing.
Oct 27th 2015
53
           It had a Top 20 per theater average opening weekend. Top 20 *ever*.
Oct 27th 2015
54
                Again, in 4 theatres
Oct 27th 2015
55
                     If it was that easy, every indie that opens small would do it.
Oct 27th 2015
56
                          Give me $30 million in advertising and I'll get those numbers
Oct 28th 2015
                          Give me $30 million in advertising and I'll get those numbers
Oct 28th 2015
57
                               That's fundamentally wrong, but okay.
Oct 28th 2015
58
Did you write that reply with or without a stylus?
Oct 27th 2015
50
I enjoyed it :shrug:
Oct 27th 2015
52
lol the fact u said a movie isn't good because the numbers is retarded
Oct 29th 2015
59
      You post like you believe in the stylus
Oct 29th 2015
60
           : )
Oct 29th 2015
61
This screenplay is destined for the stage
Oct 30th 2015
62
I could see that
Nov 01st 2015
63
Admit you cringed during the "RDF" conversation
Nov 02nd 2015
64
"It's like everyone goes to a bar 5 minutes before each launch &...
Nov 04th 2015
67
Saw this again today.
Nov 12th 2015
68
About the script.
Dec 01st 2015
70
      I couldn't disagree more.
Dec 01st 2015
71
Cold and boring.
Dec 01st 2015
69
I highly enjoyed every single aspect of this.
Feb 16th 2016
72
you liked this but thought The Big Short was hisptery
Mar 12th 2016
77
      yo just to be clear on hipsterism re: the big short
Mar 14th 2016
78

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1. "How could this not suck?"
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I don't understand this movie.

  

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2. "On paper, a Facebook movie sucks."
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On paper.

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6. "it SUCKED as a movie too"
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24. "only after Bimbolake showed up"
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5. "the script is supposed to be incredible"
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People who've read it say it's easily Sorkin's best work.

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3. "audience participation"
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disney rereleases its animated movies in singalong format, encouraging the audience to participate. maybe a steve jobs movie will be that movie where it's ok for the audience to have their iPhones out the entire time.

  

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4. "Ha."
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Or the movie will cost more than an average movie, despite having the same production values as an average movie.

  

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7. "HAHAHA"
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9. "Fassbender killing it"
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man this looks good. Because that other movie with Kutcher was fucking awful. I couldnt even make it through.

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10. "He only looks like him in his final years"
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I wish they tried to make him look more like him when he was younger it's a bit distracting that he doesn't. The reason I liked Ashton as him was because of how much he looked him in majority of the movie, I mean he looked horrible and at the end of the movie but yeah.
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12. "RE: He only looks like him in his final years"
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>The reason I
>liked Ashton as him was because of how much he looked him in
>majority of the movie, I mean he looked horrible and at the
>end of the movie but yeah.


so the whole being a shitty actor thing didnt bother you at all?

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13. "Never said that. "
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But the actor should still LOOK like the person he is playing. Last time i checked Steve Jobs didn't look like a Vegas magician when he was younger


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11. "a Rogan bark-a-thon and Fassbender struggle accent...nah"
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14. "RE: Steve Jobs (Boyle, 2015)"
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It got good reviews at Telluride. Boyle says in the article that the movie is still being fine-tuned.

http://deadline.com/2015/09/steve-wozniak-says-steve-jobs-the-movie-gets-it-all-correct-1201516399/

  

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15. "Didn't we already do this?"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=6&topic_id=654158&mesg_id=654158&listing_type=search

We gonna get a new take on the guy every two years for the rest of time or something?

I never saw the first one nor will I probably see this one (I did read his bio though) so I suppose I'm not clear what the difference between the two (if any) is supposed to be, but regardless....

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16. "Jobs came out in 2013....."
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this version seems to be getting way better ratings so far
but this might be a little bit too soon for me, not that pressed to see another interpretation of the same story so soon

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18. "even if the first one was complete shit"
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I watched it as soon as it came out on netflix and it might as well been a VH! movie. I turned it off when he got high in nature. First one was just trying to be the first movie out and make some money. This one looks like they were actually trying.

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20. "Yo Jobs was a real nigga."
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Outside of not being a good father to me this nigga was dealing with multiple villains b.

Like yo I was rooting for him the whole movie. Watching him son cats in this incredible b. And I wish I was as smart as him dog cause what he does to get back at Apple is some OG ganagster shit.

Typical Aaron Sorkin dialogue (which is a great thing) mixed with my nigga Danny Boyle's visuals makes a great, great film. Fassy disappeared into this role.

The unique structure in this works in spades as well.

I'm gonna see this again.

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27. "Nah, he was a first rate asshole. "
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I will say I loved Eisenberg's portrayal of Zuckerberg as written by Sorkin, even if it was based on a one sided hit piece. The Facebook Effect would have been a less interesting movie, but it's a far more multifaceted account.... still I digress.

Jobs was a royal prick and treated people under him horribly and a great cinematic portrayal shouldn't cloud that.

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28. "He is these things in the movie."
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The ending of the movie is potentially a touch problematic in regards to this issue, and it's IMO the weakest part of the movie. Most of it is him acting like an asshole and people informing him how much of an asshole he is.

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35. "RE: He is these things in the movie."
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>The ending of the movie is potentially a touch problematic in
>regards to this issue, and it's IMO the weakest part of the
>movie. Most of it is him acting like an asshole and people
>informing him how much of an asshole he is.

as a legacy techie who cut my teeth in silicon valley at the very end of the dot com bubble, this is why i don't need to see the film.

i've hard the stories from a couple apple folks (maybe it's in the film, so pardon the re-hash): dude screamed...SCREAMED..at employees in front of others. i guess it wasn't uncommon to walk by a conference room and hear him berating someone at the top of his lungs. human resources, anyone? basically shit that would get him knocked out on the street.

legend has it that he would randomly stop employees/developers in the hallway and quiz them on whatever relevant issue to their job. if you fucked up in the slightest, you might get handed the pink slip.

i haven't heard stories of anyone having big enough balls to inform him on what an asshole is/was, though.

  

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36. "This is the great drama of this movie, though."
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>i haven't heard stories of anyone having big enough balls to
>inform him on what an asshole is/was, though.

The movie is literally nothing but a series of confrontations between Jobs and the very few people in the position to stand up to him and call out his assholery. It makes for rich drama and outstanding dialogue.

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45. "The great drama is in learning that Steve Jobs hated the Walkman "
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Such insight, such drama

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46. "We disagree on a fundamental level."
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Which is fine.

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49. "Did you know the original Macintosh was built to look like a face? "
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How can it not say "hello?!?!"

  

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74. "LOLzers"
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73. "nah he was a piece of shit"
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and it only makes Bill Burrs joke even funnier and thruthier

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22. "Fucking outstanding. All hail Sorkin."
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This is writer porn, pure and simple. I kept giggling out of giddiness. Give Sorkin the Oscar today.

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23. "Great movie really well done, Jeff Daniels was great"
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As was Fassbender

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25. "Why (or how) did two movies get made?"
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Im assuming the family/estate okayed it. But they both were done relatively close together. Usually there's some gap between different movie versions of someone or some thing , or at least I thought so.

  

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26. "to promote different generations of the iPhone"
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duh.

  

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29. "There were movie versions of Jobs before the Kutcher one."
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This just happens to be the definitive one, by far the best one.

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30. "All fictionalized"
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Well, they've all been pretty fictional.

A movie based on a SHITTY biography - a biography that was a HUGE BEST SELLER though.

If you want a Sorkin film with Sorkin dialogue that doesn't strictly follow the facts (when does he ever? see The Farnsworth Invention) but delivers his trademark dialog I guess this film is for you.

Getting outstanding reviews by people who don't know shit all about the subject.

At least Woz likes this - and he'll cut a single from a sheet of $2 dollars bills with his business card if you ask him to!

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31. "As is every movie based on a real person ever."
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They are all fictionalized. All of them. Some more than others. But all of them are. They're entertainment, not a depiction of reality.

And this film is *tremendously* entertaining. And it has a lot of things to say about a myriad of endlessly interesting subjects, regardless of whether the characters depicted follow reality or not. If i wanted the truth about Steve Jobs, I'd read an interview.

I didn't care that Argo was wildly fictionalized. I don't care how fictionalized this is either. I care how good the film itself is. And this film is very very very very good.

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33. "Exactly"
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I read that Sorkin described this movie as a "painting". It's an interpretation of a subject. As opposed to a "photograph", which is an exact copy of a subject.

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65. "Funny how black biopics never have this freedom"
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The two most nitpicked biopics of the last two
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66. "Nah, American Sniper takes that crown. "
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And I don't think Straight Outta Compton has gotten more flak than most biopics.

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32. "Triumph over lackluster material."
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This was a really, really good movie which is a triumph since I'm not sure it's possible to make a GREAT Steve Jobs movie, without doing more of an "Inspired by" movie.

The screenplay could net Sorkin his Oscar. The structure was inspired and the dialogue was crackling as usual.

Fassbender should get a nomination because he carries the movie. Tremendous performance.

Daniels was great. Winslet was very good even though I felt her accent was inconsistent. Rogen held his own.

But, ultimately, as good as it was, there just wasn't enough to the story or to the character of Jobs to get me to really LOVE it. It's the kind of film that is a definitely Oscar contender but I would hope that five better films come out this year.

Definitely recommend it and probably a top 10 film of the year but just fell short of me loving it.

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34. "Maybe "non-filmic" over "lackluster""
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There are some great stories connected to Jobs; but like Sorkin and Co's Moneyball, you have to do some heavy lifting to put it all together and even then, the peak might be very good and not great.

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37. "Uninteresting protagonist + insufferable Sorkin dialogue"
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Sorkin is wearing thin, we're over it, he needs to take
a break

Steve Jobs was like the 4th most interesting person
in this movie, and I had to suffer through a movie
of him

Seriously,

The acting was good

Winslet was incredible

Rogen was outstanding

Fass was very good

But the movie was aight-good

Definitely not bad

But Jobs is simply not worthy of a movie

Lots of success but there's almost nothing interesting or
notable about him, other than being a bully and making lots of
money, which is pretty much American history anyway, nothing
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38. "it's kinda bombing...."
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2015/10/24/box-office-steve-jobs-opens-worse-than-jobs-suffragette-opens-soft/

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39. "White male bully manipulates smart weak people, gets rich"
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The jig is up

Nobody cares about that dumb shit anymore

It's like the least new and refreshing type of movie
you can make

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40. "LMAO idiot."
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41. "Don't hate me because I'm beautiful. "
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42. "yeah,,,the NWA angle is huge. and yeah, this joint BOMBING bad, too"
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75. "in this line"
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43. "Apple is DOOMED"
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This movie had one of the biggest advertising campaigns this fall and it made 7 million on opening weekend.

The public probably doesn't care about the inaccuracies - they might just think is a boring movie. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=jobs2015.htm

Social Network made 30 million the first week: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=socialnetwork.htm

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44. "We learned why Steve Jobs doesn't believe in the Stylus! "
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*mediates on the depth of that for a cool minute*

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76. "i'm glad i came into this post to read your replies"
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shit is hilarious

  

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47. "CinemaScore: A-."
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>The public probably doesn't care about the inaccuracies - they
>might just think is a boring movie.

The public doesn't think it's boring and it definitely doesn't care about inaccuracies. It's likely just the subject matter-- as people have noted above and elsewhere, the #1 thing I encountered when trying to convince people to see it was "didn't they just make this movie?"

Sorkin is loved in NY/LA, but outside of there, he needs a star actor or director to carry the film to box office. His name ain't enough to make something a success (see: Studio 60, or really even The Newsroom).

But you've been hating on this movie since Reply #1 (literally), so don't let me get in the way of your box office grave dance.

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48. "It has a big Q score? Well then it must be great."
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I mean Man Form Uncle had a B and Hotel Transylvania has an A, and Woodlawn has an A+.

>>The public probably doesn't care about the inaccuracies -
>they
>>might just think is a boring movie.
>
>The public doesn't think it's boring and it definitely doesn't
>care about inaccuracies.
>It's likely just the subject matter--
>as people have noted above and elsewhere, the #1 thing I
>encountered when trying to convince people to see it was
>"didn't they just make this movie?"

I guess I was barely aware of the Kutcher film - did that actually get marketed? I honestly saw no "real life" advertising for it and knew no one in real life who even mentioned the film ever. Maybe I need more friends who like the That 70's Show. (Looked at BoxOfficeMoj Jobs did open in 2,381 theaters. I had no idea.)

>Sorkin is loved in NY/LA, but outside of there, he needs a
>star actor or director to carry the film to box office. His
>name ain't enough to make something a success (see: Studio 60,
>or really even The Newsroom).

I agree about the actors, but no actor's that people care about would have been any better. Leo Dicaprio can't act like anything else other than Leo DiCapario. Christian Bale would have adopted a dumb ass voice. Jennifer Lawrence is contractually obligated to be in the next 6 Bradley Cooper films. Not sure if any big name could have played him.

As for Sorkin: I The American President, a Few Good Men, The West Wing, The Social Network and Moneyball were all hits.

I think your point may be applicable - only the Social Network didn't have a huge lead actor. But it made twice what Steve Jobs did on it's opening week.


I think Sorkin blew it by not having the iPhone in in. People would be interested in a film centering around conflict in creating the iPhone would have been better. (He still could have fictionalized another daughter or had The Woz ask Steve to talk about the Apple // team onstage.)

That god Sorkin didn't call The American President "George HW Bush."

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51. "I'm not saying it must be great. I'm saying people like it."
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>I mean Man Form Uncle had a B and Hotel Transylvania has an
>A, and Woodlawn has an A+.

People like all sorts of movies I don't. (I personally think an A- is selling this film short, but that's just one man's opinion.)

But CinemaScore is an accurate reflection of the sentiment of the normal moviegoing public who sees the films in question. People who are seeing this movie don't find it boring.

The problem is that not enough people are actually seeing it to make it a hit.

>>>The public probably doesn't care about the inaccuracies -
>>they
>>>might just think is a boring movie.
>>
>>The public doesn't think it's boring and it definitely
>doesn't
>>care about inaccuracies.
>>It's likely just the subject matter--
>>as people have noted above and elsewhere, the #1 thing I
>>encountered when trying to convince people to see it was
>>"didn't they just make this movie?"
>
>I guess I was barely aware of the Kutcher film - did that
>actually get marketed? I honestly saw no "real life"
>advertising for it and knew no one in real life who even
>mentioned the film ever. Maybe I need more friends who like
>the That 70's Show. (Looked at BoxOfficeMoj Jobs did open in
>2,381 theaters. I had no idea.)
>
>>Sorkin is loved in NY/LA, but outside of there, he needs a
>>star actor or director to carry the film to box office. His
>>name ain't enough to make something a success (see: Studio
>60,
>>or really even The Newsroom).
>
>I agree about the actors, but no actor's that people care
>about would have been any better. Leo Dicaprio can't act like
>anything else other than Leo DiCapario. Christian Bale would
>have adopted a dumb ass voice. Jennifer Lawrence is
>contractually obligated to be in the next 6 Bradley Cooper
>films. Not sure if any big name could have played him.

I agree on all of those fronts.

>As for Sorkin: I The American President, a Few Good Men, The
>West Wing, The Social Network and Moneyball were all hits.

All big name actors (well, West Wing had big names for TV), save for The Social Network. All were all intensely "feel good" movies/shows save for The Social Network too.

>I think your point may be applicable - only the Social Network
>didn't have a huge lead actor. But it made twice what Steve
>Jobs did on it's opening week.
>

I included "director" on purpose. Fincher's movies nearly always open to a healthy 15-25 mil and have serious legs (save for Fight Club, but the bombing of Fight Club has only made Fincher more popular). Steve Jobs opened beautifully in its limited NY/LA release, because Sorkin does have pull with those audiences, but it expanded relatively poorly.

We'll see if it has legs as Oscar season approaches, but Danny Boyle's movies rarely rarely do well over here. Even 127 Hours, one of the most life-affirming and feel good movies I've seen in years, couldn't catch on with flyover audiences.

On top of that, The Social Network had the benefit of the film coming out at the absolute peak of Facebook's popularity among young people. The Steve Jobs movie definitely isn't as timely in terms of its capitalization on subject matter, and combined with Boyle not being nearly as appealing to audiences as Fincher, and combined with no real "stars"-- I thought the film would make it to 50 mil or so, which would've made it a hit. I suppose if it develops legs and gets an Oscar season re-release, it could make it around there, but I doubt it. It's no doubt a disappointing b.o. turn...

... but I objected to the disappointing b.o. being associated with an audience care for biopic accuracy or an audience opinion that the film is boring. The people who aren't seeing it might think it's boring subject matter, that's true-- but people who are seeing it, for the most part, simply aren't feeling that way.

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53. "I hear and respect what you say but I take except to one thing."
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>Steve Jobs opened beautifully in its limited NY/LA release, because >Sorkin does have pull with those audiences, but it expanded relatively >poorly.

I don't think you can say it opened beautifully since it was such a limited release backed by such a huge marketing campaign.

Opening in 4 total theaters for 1 week, and then expanding to 60 theaters for a week WHILE HAVING AT LEAST a $30 million dollar marketing campaign doesn't mean it performed beautiful - it shows that spending $500,000 per theater can generate a total of $2.7million dollars in 2 weeks.

Maybe it won't break even ($60 million,) but getting back $20 to $40 million and maybe some Oscar nominations might balance it out for Universal.

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54. "It had a Top 20 per theater average opening weekend. Top 20 *ever*."
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I'd say that's "opening beautifully."

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55. "Again, in 4 theatres"
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And they spent $30 million in advertising.

If they did that with Jem and The Holograms it might have done similar numbers too.

$30 million marketing - 4 theaters AND The Master beat it. Talk about a niche film - but one for LA/NY.

If you think it's a good movie then great. It's still bombing but most other measures.

But you do sound a little like this article: http://variety.com/2015/film/box-office/steve-jobs-flops-1201626243/

Are you a prodcuer on this film?

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56. "If it was that easy, every indie that opens small would do it."
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And indies rarely ever do.

I'm not a producer, lol. I'm someone who is unfortunately bound to logic in this scenario. Jem and the Holograms wouldn't have remotely done those numbers in 4 theaters and you know this. Indies open in 2-4 theaters all the time and don't do those numbers. You know this.

If anyone has an agenda here, it's the one who was against this film from Reply 1, lol.

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"Give me $30 million in advertising and I'll get those numbers"


          

From the Okay Player documentary.

(We'd have to get Aaron Sorkin and Danny Boyle to re-write.)

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57. "Give me $30 million in advertising and I'll get those numbers"
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From the Okay Player documentary.

(We'd have to get Aaron Sorkin and Danny Boyle to re-write.)

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58. "That's fundamentally wrong, but okay."
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Plenty of movies have had limited openings with a strong advertising budget (you can see a ton of them below Steve Jobs in the list I posted), and the advertising budget wasn't what drew crowds in LA/NY anyway. In LA/NY, Sorkin is a big name.

Same reason why The Master did so well in limited but not in expansion: PTA is a big name in LA/NY. Same reason why so many Woody Allen movies are on that list, including some of his bombs: Woody is a big name in LA/NY.

The advertising budget was to draw interest in flyover country. And it didn't work.

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50. "Did you write that reply with or without a stylus? "
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Because you do know that writing with a stylus means
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52. "I enjoyed it :shrug:"
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>>The public probably doesn't care about the inaccuracies -
>they
>>might just think is a boring movie.
>
>The public doesn't think it's boring and it definitely doesn't
>care about inaccuracies. It's likely just the subject matter--
>as people have noted above and elsewhere, the #1 thing I
>encountered when trying to convince people to see it was
>"didn't they just make this movie?"
>
>Sorkin is loved in NY/LA, but outside of there, he needs a
>star actor or director to carry the film to box office. His
>name ain't enough to make something a success (see: Studio 60,
>or really even The Newsroom).
>
>But you've been hating on this movie since Reply #1
>(literally), so don't let me get in the way of your box office
>grave dance.

  

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59. "lol the fact u said a movie isn't good because the numbers is retarded "
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Did u even see it? Lots of music, tv, movies are great and just don't work for so many factors. The biggest one is that like Longo said, too many people already thought they made this movie. It's literally that simple. The timing was wrong. This movie should've came in at least 5 years from now. It was the better of the two by far but that doesn't even matter to mainstream audiences. U just trolling at this point so u can stick to your side of the argument *shrugs*
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60. "You post like you believe in the stylus"
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62. "This screenplay is destined for the stage"
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i just kept thinking "god, this would work better on the stage"

i thought the performances/editing/dialogue were all first class. but it was sorkin at his sorkinyest. that might rub people the wrong way at parts of the movie *wanking motion*

I think my favourite scene was the one in the third act with Fassbender and Daniels where he tells the story of his adoption as it intercuts with the restaurant flashback. that scene worked as well as any scene in the film. it did seem rushed even by sorkin standards. i get that each act is a rush countdown situation, but i felt some of the strongest dialogue got muddled by its rapid pace and thus didnt hit quite as hard as it could/should have.

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63. "I could see that"
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64. "Admit you cringed during the "RDF" conversation"
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Good lord that was awful

There is nothing worse than hearing Aaron Sorkin dialogue
in a movie he's so obviously a mercenary for

  

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67. ""It's like everyone goes to a bar 5 minutes before each launch &..."
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...tells me how they really feel"

It's like Sorkin sums up the whole flick w/ that line towards the end just in case you tuned out earlier























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68. "Saw this again today."
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Wanted to catch it once more before it's pulled from theaters. Shame about the public reception-- I bet Universal will give this another short release closer to Oscar season, though.

Still such a stellar script.

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70. "About the script."
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And this is more a critique of Sorkin as a whole. But it's clever-clever without having a soul. That's kinda his MO though. It's a formula that weighs toward style in favor of substance imo. There's gonna be a series of quirky things said that ironically get referenced back to except conveying the opposite meaning. yawn. One-trick pony status.

  

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71. "I couldn't disagree more."
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But it's
>clever-clever without having a soul. That's kinda his MO
>though. It's a formula that weighs toward style in favor of
>substance imo. There's gonna be a series of quirky things
>said that ironically get referenced back to except conveying
>the opposite meaning. yawn.

If it was that easy, everyone would do it. It's not. It's insanely fucking hard.

And I disagree about the lack of soul 100%. In this, in Social Network, in Few Good Men, in West Wing, even in parts of Newsroom.

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69. "Cold and boring. "
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I appreciate when a biopic is told differently but this really kinda sucked.

That iPod shout out at the end was cringe worthy.

Good dialog. Great acting. Bad movie.

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72. "I highly enjoyed every single aspect of this."
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Very surprised at the tepid reception in here...

(EDIT: The very very end was a tad clunky, but outside of that, this shit hums the whole time.)

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77. "you liked this but thought The Big Short was hisptery"
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lol

  

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78. "yo just to be clear on hipsterism re: the big short"
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i didn't love The Big Short, but i'm pretty sure i didn't say anything about it being hipsterish at first.

then OE was ranting about the only possible way someone would not like it was if they were a bullshit hipster, so I tried to turn the tables and say that that was a dumb argument because movie itself was mad hipster. He brought that shit into the argument, not me haa.

(i should know better than to fall into the trap though.)

But yeah, I did like Steve Jobs better than The Big Short...

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