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"Game of Thrones, Season 5"


  

          

The first three episodes are already out there. I'm watching the second.

I'm hearing that the entire season might leak as the night progresses?

Anyhow, now's a better time than any to start up a post I figure.

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But hell, what do I know?

  

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wonder how these leaks will affect their release strategy for the future
Apr 12th 2015
1
I binged the first two seasons to get caught up.
Apr 12th 2015
2
Winter really is coming
Apr 12th 2015
3
those dragons were like ,nah bitch, it ain't all good
Apr 12th 2015
4
My fave and least fave scene of the night
Apr 12th 2015
5
Robin's wussy moans were the funniest
Apr 13th 2015
23
You and me both
Apr 13th 2015
7
Missandei hot and bothered over the unsullied in brothels
Apr 13th 2015
8
      Sansa with the full heel turn.
Apr 13th 2015
9
      she ain't going 'heel'
Apr 13th 2015
10
           AND THE DARK CLOTHES
Apr 13th 2015
13
           I think it is obvious that Littlefinger is taking Sansa to Winterfell
Apr 13th 2015
20
                well
Apr 13th 2015
38
                     I think that sounds about right for the motives of LF
Apr 13th 2015
60
                          I'm highly skeptical
Apr 13th 2015
64
                               As am I
Apr 13th 2015
67
                                    Sansa's still kinda wanted in a case of regicide
Apr 13th 2015
71
      I was thinking.... "Wait, I thought you said that shit ain't work!?"
Apr 13th 2015
31
i basically agree with all of this
Apr 13th 2015
14
yeah wtf
Apr 14th 2015
86
      thorne needs an ally
Apr 14th 2015
87
      fucker got banished to the wall and immediately got shot caller status
Apr 14th 2015
88
           well, he WAS commander of the gold cloaks
Apr 14th 2015
89
                and he's a lord who would hate jon snow
Apr 14th 2015
92
jon snow running thangs now.
Apr 13th 2015
6
That's Lord Snow to you.
Apr 13th 2015
11
      Yea he's my vote to be king of the seven kingdoms
Apr 13th 2015
15
           i'd take the north and beyond the wall
Apr 13th 2015
44
best part: sons of the harpy
Apr 13th 2015
12
Stannis ain't shit. Man I hope Snow don't get got fucking w/him.
Apr 13th 2015
16
one true king watch your mouth
Apr 13th 2015
17
(c) Davos
Apr 13th 2015
24
Yeah, he's dry as dust.
Apr 13th 2015
21
"Stannis has the personality of a lobster" - Loras Tyrell
Apr 13th 2015
30
then what does that make Loras? One of Orson's beetles?
Apr 13th 2015
51
      he was... a force
Apr 13th 2015
76
How did he know there was a wildling attack attack again?
Apr 13th 2015
56
      'taking' the wall would be pointless, really
Apr 13th 2015
58
           Ah... You right
Apr 13th 2015
61
                he and davos are resourceful
Apr 13th 2015
65
                     Very much so and they have the backing of the Iron Bank now
Apr 13th 2015
68
                          I don't think he'll get very far this season but I could be wrong.
Apr 13th 2015
70
He's the one with the most legit claim to the Throne though
Apr 13th 2015
22
Oh absolutely - he's still a dick tho.
Apr 13th 2015
25
he rules with a firm but fair hand.
Apr 13th 2015
48
      Burning that dude alive WASN'T fair. It was unnecesarily cruel.
Apr 14th 2015
82
           Executing him was fair. Burning him to do it was extra.
Apr 14th 2015
84
           that's a religious thing.
Apr 14th 2015
85
                Stannis is a poser. A Stan. Fans of Stannis = Stans???
Apr 14th 2015
90
                Dunno... Melisandre sees something, right?
Apr 14th 2015
91
                     does she though?
Apr 14th 2015
93
                          We're led to assume that.
Apr 14th 2015
96
Nah, Blacksmith kid.
Apr 13th 2015
32
      Dude fell off the face of the planet
Apr 13th 2015
34
      Rowing around the world i reckon
Apr 13th 2015
46
      I'm pretty sure brother's have a better claim to the throne than bastard...
Apr 13th 2015
36
      bastards have zero claim unless
Apr 13th 2015
45
      bastards have to be naturalized
Apr 13th 2015
40
           To remove Jaime's kids.
Apr 13th 2015
52
                why would the lannisters do that to themselves?
Apr 13th 2015
54
                     I thought Robert and Cersei did have one child together before Joffrey
Apr 13th 2015
62
                          gendry knew his mother.
Apr 13th 2015
63
                               I am highly skeptical about that fan theory as well
Apr 13th 2015
66
                                    there's not really any reason to think it's him.
Apr 13th 2015
69
not a stretch to say his pointless arrogance will be his undoing
Apr 13th 2015
26
he's not pointless. he plays by a set of rules.
Apr 13th 2015
41
told y'all that negro wasn't worth shit.
Jun 08th 2015
604
Tyrione & Varys have great chemistry.
Apr 13th 2015
18
I said that last night while watching
Apr 13th 2015
19
it seems too public for varys, to me
Apr 13th 2015
43
prolly my fave part of the ep. especially with the prospect
Apr 13th 2015
28
great line after great line
Apr 14th 2015
95
I'm already missing The Hound and and Tywin
Apr 13th 2015
27
I couldn't agree more
Apr 13th 2015
29
saw that ep again yesterday.
Apr 13th 2015
35
"Bravos. Greasy haired little bastard i bet. They all are"
Apr 13th 2015
79
if you don't die on camera...
Apr 13th 2015
47
      I've been waiting 4 seasons for the return of Arya's dance instructor
Apr 13th 2015
72
           might have already
Apr 13th 2015
75
                RE: might have already
Apr 13th 2015
77
                syrio definitely says
Apr 14th 2015
81
                You see it.
Apr 14th 2015
83
I need my man Bronn back with a quickness
Apr 13th 2015
33
Yeah, Bronn definitely needs to be around this season
Apr 13th 2015
37
      I think he's gonna
Apr 13th 2015
39
           Guys like Bronn are survivors though
Apr 13th 2015
49
           did you watch the trailer?
Apr 13th 2015
50
                Watched the trailer, but missed that part.
Apr 13th 2015
57
                     i'm not too excited about it.
Apr 13th 2015
59
           He's still training Jamie to use the left hand, no?
Apr 13th 2015
53
                maybe?
Apr 13th 2015
55
varys and tyrion were funny
Apr 13th 2015
42
      agreed
Apr 13th 2015
73
      Dolorous Edd-rian Neville n/m
Apr 13th 2015
74
      Tyrion can bring it but his recent predicament
Apr 13th 2015
78
           although i did laugh after tyrion vomited and then took another swig
Apr 14th 2015
80
With these leaks, how dangerous does waiting week to week become?
Apr 14th 2015
94
I'm hoping people are being good in here.
Apr 14th 2015
97
Did anyone notice a few differences in character actions this season
Apr 15th 2015
98
I think cersei is consistent
Apr 15th 2015
99
Naw, Dae's right
Apr 15th 2015
100
      no.
Apr 15th 2015
103
           Are they though?
Apr 16th 2015
107
                No.
Apr 16th 2015
111
                     None of that contradicts what I said.
Apr 16th 2015
114
                          Maybe I wasn't clear
Apr 16th 2015
116
                               It's true, I'm a book reader.
Apr 16th 2015
120
                                    none of those things are close to spoilers
Apr 16th 2015
125
                                         lol, right.
Apr 16th 2015
127
                                              I've been thinking more about it
Apr 20th 2015
143
                                                   For someone who isn't a book reader...
Apr 20th 2015
153
                                                        LF took out joffrey and stole Sansa and no one knows
Apr 20th 2015
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                                                             RE: LF took out joffrey and stole Sansa and no one knows
Apr 20th 2015
163
Word.
Apr 15th 2015
101
he pushed a little boy out of a window
Apr 15th 2015
104
      lol, fair enough
Apr 16th 2015
108
RE: Did anyone notice a few differences in character actions this season
Apr 16th 2015
106
I was afraid to come in here before seeing all 4 episodes
Apr 15th 2015
102
We just need to agree to no spoilers before the AIR DATE.
Apr 16th 2015
105
Does Cersei know the Lannisters are broke?
Apr 16th 2015
109
Too Paranoid...
Apr 16th 2015
110
Are they broke?
Apr 16th 2015
112
      Well, Tywin said there's no more in gold in Lannisport's mines
Apr 16th 2015
113
      Yup. In a scene with Cersei last season...
Apr 16th 2015
115
           does that make sense?
Apr 16th 2015
117
           Tywin loaned a lot of money to the throne when Rob was king
Apr 16th 2015
119
                Correct.
Apr 16th 2015
122
                it served LF to put the throne in debt.
Apr 16th 2015
126
                     Robert had more to do with that debt than LF did. n/m
Apr 16th 2015
128
                          yes but it worked in LF's favor too
Apr 20th 2015
144
                               I didn't say that it didn't.
Apr 20th 2015
154
                                    so we agree and you continue to argue with me.
Apr 20th 2015
159
                                         Nuance.
Apr 20th 2015
165
                                              The throne was NOT in debt because of LF
Apr 21st 2015
192
                                                   Ah, I stand corrected then, good looks
Apr 21st 2015
196
                has it been 3 years show time?
Apr 16th 2015
124
                     To quote Varys....
Apr 16th 2015
129
                          agreed.
Apr 20th 2015
162
           See, I couldn't remember if he had that convo with Jamie or Cersei
Apr 16th 2015
118
                I forgot too.
Apr 16th 2015
121
      Iron Bank got them by the balls.
Apr 16th 2015
123
           ... and may be funding Stannis or Dany very shortly
Apr 17th 2015
130
                They're already funding Stannis
Apr 17th 2015
131
                     outside of the pirates, who don't work on land
Apr 20th 2015
145
                     He hit Mance Raider with an army of sell-swords
Apr 20th 2015
148
                          Where did he buy sellswords from?
Apr 20th 2015
158
                     *dons orthopedic shoes*
Apr 21st 2015
191
the youngish looking dude in the robe chatting with Cersei
Apr 19th 2015
132
Yup, that's him.
Apr 19th 2015
133
the point of that conversation is to show the church's growing influence
Apr 20th 2015
139
      and the waning influence of the Lannisters themselves
Apr 20th 2015
160
Dany stay fucking up. she needs Tyrion and Varys in the worst way.
Apr 19th 2015
134
lol the fuck was she thinking?
Apr 20th 2015
136
idk if Ned would've been dumb enough to arrange a public execution
Apr 20th 2015
138
      Not Ned, but interesting parallel...
Apr 20th 2015
141
      nice catch
Apr 20th 2015
164
      yep
Apr 20th 2015
170
      he always beheaded deserters with an audience.
Apr 20th 2015
161
           All I can remember is the execution in the very first episode
Apr 20th 2015
169
                i got the sense that was the drill
Apr 20th 2015
180
I don't think Varys is going with Tyrion
Apr 20th 2015
146
Lol @Sam pulling Janos Slynt's ho card
Apr 20th 2015
135
man there was no way the show was just gonna let that shit slip
Apr 20th 2015
137
I'm shocked he got away with it.
Apr 20th 2015
140
janos slynt don't want it w/ jon snow. sam is teflon as long as hes arou...
Apr 21st 2015
203
I was SO fucking proud of him. Sam is becoming a G on the low.
Apr 20th 2015
149
Sam BEEN a G
Apr 20th 2015
152
Sam the Slayer!
Apr 21st 2015
193
Yo, even Aemon Targaryen was laughing
Apr 20th 2015
185
      If I could have a beer with anyone in Westeros...
Apr 20th 2015
189
           Worrrrd.
Apr 22nd 2015
204
           Bronn or Tyrione, in fact Bronn & Tyrione sounds fun as shit.
Apr 22nd 2015
213
           Yeah, I can't deny Tyrion and/or Bronn
Apr 22nd 2015
214
           He's the man
Apr 23rd 2015
215
^ ^ ^ sam on the come-up!
Apr 24th 2015
216
You nothing Jon Snow!
Apr 20th 2015
142
She misses Mormont's pragmatic advice BADLY.
Apr 21st 2015
194
Bear Island knows no king but the King in the North, whose name is STARK
Apr 20th 2015
147
How the fuck not??
Apr 20th 2015
150
      it's...out of character for one
Apr 20th 2015
157
           RE: it's...out of character for one
Apr 20th 2015
166
                Yup
Apr 20th 2015
182
How Dany gon make the EXACT mistake she was just told about?
Apr 20th 2015
151
why does she have a council if she
Apr 20th 2015
156
      That council was the very definition of confusion..
Apr 20th 2015
167
Can we just get Brienne a cat and be done with it?
Apr 20th 2015
168
I was a bit thrown by the chase sequence
Apr 20th 2015
171
      it didn't make much sense
Apr 20th 2015
179
           also, I thought there was a technical error in that whole scene.
Apr 20th 2015
181
My Ep 2 takes (as if you care).
Apr 20th 2015
172
Wait wait wait....
Apr 20th 2015
173
some people are Brienne fans, some are not.
Apr 20th 2015
174
      she's co-dependent as fuck
Apr 20th 2015
183
           her best stuff was when she was traveling with Jaime.
Apr 20th 2015
184
                agreed
Apr 20th 2015
186
                     shes gotta be the one that puts a sword through ramsey
Apr 29th 2015
254
It ain't gon be Dany. It'll prolly be Snow w/his lil' bro controlling th...
Apr 20th 2015
175
on: the dragons
Apr 20th 2015
176
      Jason Concepcion is the shit.
Apr 20th 2015
177
      Ask The Maester this week....
Apr 21st 2015
200
           i formed a theory off something in this week's column..
Apr 22nd 2015
207
                That's a damn good theory.
Apr 22nd 2015
208
                That is actually a pretty common theory
Apr 22nd 2015
209
                word. i figured i wasn't the only one who ever thought it...
Apr 22nd 2015
210
                It's new to me.
Apr 22nd 2015
211
                yeah, i mentioned it last season
Apr 22nd 2015
212
                so i noticed a nod to this theory in last week's ep:
May 03rd 2015
271
      interesting.
Apr 20th 2015
178
I've come around on new Daario
Apr 20th 2015
187
He def shined this ep.
Apr 20th 2015
188
I still can't stand him
Apr 20th 2015
190
that's how i felt about him all last season
Apr 21st 2015
195
The original actor leaving still hurts my head.
Apr 21st 2015
197
new daario is cool. old daario looked untrustworthy.
Apr 21st 2015
198
thats how daario should look, im ok with the new one but the
Apr 28th 2015
250
Its literally a different character. I like grimey shit eating grin Daa...
Apr 21st 2015
201
Here for Arya
Apr 21st 2015
199
any weekly recaps / podcasts to recommend?
Apr 21st 2015
202
RE: any weekly recaps / podcasts to recommend?
Apr 22nd 2015
205
Grantland's "Watch the Thrones"
Apr 22nd 2015
206
Littlefinger still pimping. Aint shit changed but the address.
Apr 26th 2015
217
Give her some credit...
Apr 26th 2015
219
I agree on both but especially this right here
Apr 27th 2015
222
      Sounds like an upgrade to me
Apr 27th 2015
229
      Keep in mind that Stannis is coming for that ass soon
May 08th 2015
335
The North Remembers!!!
Apr 26th 2015
218
I feel for Sansa though. Ramsey is as evil as Joffrey, but not a pussy
Apr 26th 2015
220
      Mostly feels like he did it out of duty and to prove his leadership
Apr 27th 2015
230
           First day on the job as boss and your subordinates are openly disobeying
Apr 27th 2015
237
I do not like this Sansa storyline and I'm not buying it
Apr 27th 2015
221
for everyone shitting on Sansa, what was she supposed to do?
Apr 27th 2015
223
That far away queen has her own issues and internal politics to fight
Apr 27th 2015
224
      there's no way he was turning around.
Apr 27th 2015
226
           You're right that LF wouldn't have turned around but at least then
Apr 27th 2015
227
                Naw this is the new & improved Sansa. she is doing the torturing.
Apr 27th 2015
231
                We will see, she is still surrounded by soldiers loyal to Bolton
Apr 27th 2015
238
                Yup. This is going to be her redemption.
Apr 27th 2015
240
                RE: You're right that LF wouldn't have turned around but at least then
Apr 27th 2015
242
Margaery's shade game is unfuckwitable
Apr 27th 2015
225
she's a goddamn all-pro
Apr 27th 2015
228
How bout "we would offering YOU wine but WE don't drink this early"
Apr 27th 2015
232
I agree with both of those opinions
Apr 27th 2015
239
Yo, I *almost* felt bad for Cersei!!!
Apr 27th 2015
249
between her trolling and tommen telling mommy to gtfo
Apr 27th 2015
234
Best character on this show hands down
Apr 27th 2015
248
she was taught by the baddest bitch in all 7 kingdoms
Apr 29th 2015
255
Anyone get Jesus-y vibes with the High Sparrow?
Apr 27th 2015
233
I got more of a Pope Francis vibe
Apr 27th 2015
245
      Well yeah that's my point. To convert for power purposes.
Apr 27th 2015
246
           What is she converting to? She already "practices" the same religion
Apr 27th 2015
247
I'm starting to feel like Arya sweeping the floor
Apr 27th 2015
235
Cersei isn't going down without a fight, she is just regrouping
Apr 27th 2015
236
It's the third episode of the season....
Apr 27th 2015
241
eh it's essentially a soft reboot right now.
Apr 27th 2015
243
i actually liked this episode
Apr 27th 2015
244
Japanese Game of Thrones Book Covers
Apr 29th 2015
251
reminds me of araki, miura and amano art for some reason.
Apr 29th 2015
252
What about Jorah and Tyrion?
Apr 29th 2015
253
i think thats by design
Apr 29th 2015
256
Same here
Apr 29th 2015
258
      well i cant connect why he would
Apr 29th 2015
261
           Volantis is one of the free cities..
Apr 29th 2015
262
                hmm curious then
Apr 29th 2015
263
                     Like you noted, I think its by design.
Apr 29th 2015
264
                          ah hah!
May 06th 2015
323
to Dany
Apr 29th 2015
257
I really hope so, but that sounds too much like right
Apr 29th 2015
259
Pretty sure he's going to King's Landing.
Apr 29th 2015
260
I can't figure out what Dany would want with Tyrian.
Apr 29th 2015
265
Jorah is taking him to Dany
Apr 29th 2015
266
      ^^ this
Apr 30th 2015
267
      I can see this
Apr 30th 2015
268
oh hell no!
May 03rd 2015
269
in wrestling we call that poor booking
May 03rd 2015
270
      Man, I thought it was just me.
May 04th 2015
275
           I think it would have come off better...
May 04th 2015
279
Sons of Harpy > Sons of Anarchy
May 03rd 2015
272
It was all over at "Sing a song for me"
May 05th 2015
311
this might be my least favorite episode of GOT ever.
May 03rd 2015
273
Yeah, Whale Rider was kinda terrible in that Sand a Snakes scene.
May 04th 2015
274
Melisandre has some Grade-A tittays...
May 04th 2015
276
She really, really does.
May 04th 2015
288
they're fucking heavenly
May 04th 2015
302
nah snowman gotta stay clean.
May 04th 2015
280
Questions about the red woman
May 04th 2015
281
      Balon Greyjoy.
May 04th 2015
287
That last seen with the Sons of the Harpy was wack...
May 04th 2015
278
      Good catch...
May 04th 2015
289
           "Angry snakes lash out, makes chopping off their heads that much easier"
May 05th 2015
312
Couldn't have Sansa showed up to Winterfell *after*
May 04th 2015
277
No Bran cuz he's just training to increase his powers
May 04th 2015
282
RE: Couldn't have Sansa showed up to Winterfell *after*
May 04th 2015
284
I could be wrong in my analysis....
May 04th 2015
290
This is the best explanation for why LF did not what he did
May 04th 2015
291
makes sense
May 04th 2015
294
      If Stannis wins...
May 04th 2015
296
Bran can stay away. That story bored the piss out of me
May 04th 2015
295
So that final scene had to be a set up..
May 04th 2015
283
Cersei is desperate and she fucked up arming those zealots
May 04th 2015
285
      yep
May 05th 2015
318
           and this would have been bad, why?
May 05th 2015
319
                i guess because it might have meant certain death for Loras
May 06th 2015
320
                     Loras could already be dead. They could be actively torturing him
May 09th 2015
337
This whole Dorne story is boring and doesn't make any sense
May 04th 2015
286
yeah she acts like Oberyn got mugged or some shit
May 04th 2015
305
      Exactly, plus Tywin is dead and the mountain is basically dead
May 04th 2015
308
Yeah, not feeling this season at all.
May 04th 2015
292
We need a separate book reader's post. n/m
May 04th 2015
297
      I was tempted to make one last night/this morning
May 04th 2015
301
           DO IT
May 05th 2015
317
A few observations
May 04th 2015
293
Agreed with everything here but it looked like Ramsay was hittin
May 04th 2015
298
      I forgot about Stannis comment
May 04th 2015
310
           Yeah there are alot of things that dont add up
May 08th 2015
336
My one beef with this episode...
May 04th 2015
299
i chalked up the easily ambushed part to their lack of fear
May 04th 2015
300
out on the field in a battle. they get murked.
May 05th 2015
314
      plus their only weapon is a long spear/shield
May 05th 2015
315
so what happens when Cersei's new religous nut friends find out
May 04th 2015
303
Tommen might just be softer than Season 1 Sansa Stark...which is a bad l...
May 04th 2015
304
he's definitely nicer
May 04th 2015
309
      Nice, sweet, indecisive, well-meaning...
May 05th 2015
313
           W/a good Hand or Council he'd make a GREAT King.
May 07th 2015
328
                he would have been the perfect puppet king for Tywin
May 07th 2015
329
                     Yup...the Lannisters dropped the ball at the 1 yard line
May 07th 2015
330
                          well jaime lannister dropped the ball lol
May 07th 2015
331
Don't they already "know"?
May 04th 2015
306
      true. i forgot about that
May 04th 2015
307
           calling him abomination and shit
May 05th 2015
316
                Yeah...once you go "abomination"...
May 06th 2015
321
Sand snakes scene - GOT worst of all time?
May 06th 2015
322
It looked like a GOT spoof. Very bad.
May 07th 2015
324
And what sucks is they were supposed to be bad ass
May 07th 2015
325
From what I've read...
May 07th 2015
326
Google map-y version of Westeros
May 07th 2015
327
I didn't realize Dorne was in Westeros.
May 08th 2015
332
Yeah, Dorne and The Vale...
May 08th 2015
334
I've got a mod for Crusader Kings II that's all of Westeros, Essos,
May 10th 2015
338
Jaime's Indiana Jones save was pretty cool. Tyrion killed it.
May 08th 2015
333
What the fuck, Sansa?
May 10th 2015
339
Yeah, that was weird....
May 11th 2015
340
Ramsay was trying to keep Reek a secret.
May 13th 2015
Ramsay was trying to keep Reek a secret.
May 13th 2015
363
      That's a damn good interpretation.
May 13th 2015
368
curiosity?
May 11th 2015
341
To be fair
May 11th 2015
344
      Lady was the first to get murked :(
May 11th 2015
345
      Your memory is far superior than mine.
May 11th 2015
353
           I lurk in /r/asoiaf...
May 11th 2015
356
      response should have been "nah, i'm good" either way though
May 11th 2015
349
      That's what I thought too
May 11th 2015
350
           i knew it would be Theon because that's where his sis found him
May 11th 2015
352
Didn't Tyrion touch the Stone men as well?
May 11th 2015
342
Might've touched Tyrion's clothes but not his skin.
May 11th 2015
343
She's got to integrate herself into Mereen and be seen as one of them
May 11th 2015
346
      It's not often GoT reminds you of Black Dynamite
May 11th 2015
348
      holy shit it really did sound exactly like that
May 11th 2015
357
      Oh man, it really did
May 12th 2015
359
      except isn't Mereen a city divided between slaves and slave owners?
May 11th 2015
354
           It was briefly touched upon in the show...
May 11th 2015
355
           This would be a union between a (former) slaveowner and an
May 12th 2015
361
                She holds ALL the cards.
May 13th 2015
364
                bullying was not the right word. Acquiescing?
May 13th 2015
373
Old Valyria was fucking cool...
May 11th 2015
347
I forgot that too.
May 11th 2015
351
n/m
May 11th 2015
358
Heads already check the column...
May 12th 2015
360
I was trying to remember where Olly came from.
May 13th 2015
365
Roose Bolton's nostalgia / Sansa's smirk
May 12th 2015
362
The bed scene between Grey Worm/Missendei was the most...
May 13th 2015
366
It might be th first time i forwarded through a scene of this show
May 13th 2015
367
it's no worse than the sand snakes scene an episode ago
May 13th 2015
369
      Oh, it very much is.
May 13th 2015
370
      Sandsnake thing didn't bother me as much as most people
May 13th 2015
372
'muted' it wasn't too bad.
May 13th 2015
371
I'm getting a bad feeling about Ser Davos' prospects
May 14th 2015
374
that was....really sad
May 17th 2015
375
I'm bout to go cry myself to sleep now
May 17th 2015
376
      Yeah man, this some disheartening shit.
May 18th 2015
379
           RE: Yeah man, this some disheartening shit.
May 18th 2015
381
                RE: Yeah man, this some disheartening shit.
May 18th 2015
384
Ramsay's gotta go
May 17th 2015
377
the whole sansa storyline is stupid
May 18th 2015
378
How deep is this Monk army though, really?
May 18th 2015
380
It's getting difficult to understand who holds the power amongst
May 18th 2015
382
"Power resides where men believe it resides"
May 19th 2015
418
      or it resides with the most dudes with the most weaponry
May 19th 2015
430
           That is probably the most important quote from the entire series.
May 21st 2015
454
Excerpt from Ask the Maester a few weeks back:
May 18th 2015
386
      To lock up the Queen tho? Nah man...
May 22nd 2015
467
           I mean, you saw that scene yourself...
May 22nd 2015
468
RIP to my main man
May 18th 2015
383
I was sad when I saw that swipe she took hit
May 18th 2015
388
Yeah, so the Sansa scene was gratuitous
May 18th 2015
385
I don't disagree with the gratuitousness..
May 18th 2015
387
I agree with this
May 18th 2015
389
RE: I don't disagree with the gratuitousness..
May 18th 2015
390
Agreed, it's draining to watch sometimes.
May 18th 2015
391
I think it also becomes a bit exhausting when you feel like
May 18th 2015
392
These were all good points
May 18th 2015
393
But she has been brutalized
May 18th 2015
397
      Context matters.
May 18th 2015
400
Respectfully, I find all of this to be an oversimplification.
May 18th 2015
394
Damn. Well said.
May 18th 2015
395
that scene was definitely not the most barbaric of the series
May 18th 2015
396
RE: that scene was definitely not the most barbaric of the series
May 18th 2015
398
      Well put.
May 18th 2015
403
True words spoken.
May 18th 2015
399
Well said and I completely agree with everything you typed here Frank
May 18th 2015
405
Ramsay's actions were predictable. And that was part of the problem.
May 18th 2015
412
      Ramsay clearly isnt going to change and while Sansa showed some
May 18th 2015
413
      I don't really expect Sansa to go at the boltons
May 18th 2015
415
      When did this happen?
May 18th 2015
416
           Showing a little more might actually have been helpful.
May 19th 2015
422
           like you, I only watched it once
May 20th 2015
451
I agree. I think scene marks the Consummation of Sansa as a Player
May 20th 2015
433
oh, she needed to be raped so that theon's arc could be complete
May 20th 2015
435
      I'd written a full response here...
May 20th 2015
437
           i read your whole post and agree with a lot of what you have to
May 20th 2015
446
                I disagree that this trope is at play.
May 20th 2015
448
                     Let's not forget, she started undressing voluntarily For Tyrion
May 21st 2015
455
                          Great observation.
May 21st 2015
456
                               Naw it was still rape
May 21st 2015
460
                                    I hate to be that guy...
May 21st 2015
461
It was gratuitous.
May 18th 2015
407
totally agree
May 20th 2015
434
      In a best case scenario for that scene...
May 20th 2015
436
           well, it's not like the writers had no choice
May 20th 2015
438
                Not sure I follow this line of logic...
May 20th 2015
442
                     if having your manhood cut off and being psychologically
May 20th 2015
445
                          Frank's right, you just gloss over our main points.
May 20th 2015
447
                               at this point in the show, books, etc, it's derivative
May 20th 2015
449
                               RE: at this point in the show, books, etc, it's derivative
May 21st 2015
457
                               and if i'm glossing stuff over it's because i'm squeezing
May 20th 2015
450
                                    Fair enough...
May 21st 2015
458
Sansa started the series the most fairytale naive of anyone.
May 19th 2015
419
i had a hard time believing those little girls could hang with Bron
May 18th 2015
401
I'm more pissed he didn't finish the song...
May 18th 2015
402
Same here and now Bronn is probably going to die from that wound
May 18th 2015
404
Yeah the Unsullied L made sense to me. they were never battle tested
May 18th 2015
406
Not just that, but the choreography of that fght sucked.
May 18th 2015
408
Areo Hotah broke that shit up like a schoolyard fight at recess
May 18th 2015
411
      Agree that is exactly how he came in and broke it up
May 18th 2015
414
Everything Dorne and Sand Snakes is a complete waste of time
May 18th 2015
409
My feelings on the Sansa/Ramsay scene are similar to Franks
May 18th 2015
410
Yeah, pushing me closer to the edge of tapping out
May 19th 2015
417
I'm the exact opposite of this.
May 19th 2015
420
      I'm with you, it's getting good on most fronts.
May 19th 2015
421
Is there an actual strategy behind this Cersei shit?
May 19th 2015
423
You already knew the answer:
May 19th 2015
424
it's just weird to me she could be this delisional
May 19th 2015
425
      She's always been driven by her own paranoia and hatred
May 19th 2015
426
      RE: it's just weird to me she could be this delisional
May 19th 2015
427
      I mean pick up any history book. Royalty is easily this delusional
May 20th 2015
432
      She's always been like this though.
May 20th 2015
452
The problem is you're not half as smart as you think you are ©Tywin
May 19th 2015
428
Cersei NEVER thinks a decision through though
May 19th 2015
429
I think you have something here.
May 20th 2015
443
"House Lannister has no rival."
May 20th 2015
431
She's "climbing the ladder of chaos" (c) Littlefinger.
May 20th 2015
439
this is the best rationalization for Cersei's behavior I'v seen
May 20th 2015
440
She could be just a woman scorned. Still smarting from Margaery's Mean
May 20th 2015
441
Littlefinger is playing chess while most in the game are playing checker...
May 20th 2015
444
She really doesn't understand the long game though
May 21st 2015
453
      She's screwed.
May 21st 2015
463
Some zealots only focus on their issues.
May 21st 2015
459
      they were already yelling "abomination!" at Tommen tho
May 21st 2015
466
           You called it.
May 24th 2015
470
Reminder, Sansa learned the game through Littlefinger.
May 21st 2015
462
is it wrong i hope sansa offs both reek and ramsey
May 21st 2015
464
      I think it's safe to say you're in the majority...
May 21st 2015
465
Fuck reek
May 24th 2015
469
I really dont want this Sansa torture to drag on
May 24th 2015
473
You blind cunt. Hodor could have seen that coming
May 24th 2015
471
but cersei is dumb tho. tywin told us that.
May 24th 2015
472
He slow walked the hell out of her too.
May 25th 2015
476
"But my incest won't get found by these fanatics I've given power to"
May 25th 2015
480
I approve of this week's Sandsnake scene
May 24th 2015
474
yes lawd. and my thing is hot women with short hair.
May 25th 2015
475
Yeah that was awesome
May 25th 2015
478
grateful for the immaculate mammary
May 25th 2015
484
      between sandsnake girl and melisandre it's been a highpoint...
May 25th 2015
485
      Bronn's getting used by them for something.
May 27th 2015
515
Sansa's shrewd maneuvering is really paying off
May 25th 2015
477
Best episode of S5 yet.
May 25th 2015
479
Stannis will be alright.
May 25th 2015
481
Jonah gave us a good fight for once this season, and then
May 25th 2015
483
I'm gonna miss Aemon Targaeryan
May 25th 2015
482
Salud to Aemon.
May 26th 2015
493
      Hoster Tully?
May 27th 2015
516
           Damn, nice catch.
May 27th 2015
517
                Yeah, I think that's probably it.
May 27th 2015
519
Couple of things I don't understand....
May 25th 2015
486
She said she needs the King's blood to pull off her trickery
May 26th 2015
487
RE: Couple of things I don't understand....
May 26th 2015
488
Thanks for the clarifications...
May 26th 2015
497
      I don't think the sacrifice is to make one of those smoke babies...
May 26th 2015
500
i think the showruners have said Ramsey is NOT known
May 26th 2015
489
      The fact Littlefinger left her there with NO protection is odd too
May 26th 2015
490
      The last thing LF wants is someone saving her
May 26th 2015
494
           i hear you, but Ramsay is crazy enough to kill her "by accident"
May 26th 2015
505
                True. LF knows there's a risk though
May 26th 2015
508
      Does anyone in Winterfell know who Brienne is?
May 26th 2015
498
           doesn't seem like it. she can't exactly blend in though
May 26th 2015
507
with the queen & queen regent locked up, and Tommen scared to act
May 26th 2015
491
Dude was like, "ever sew the field, btich? fuck outta here"
May 26th 2015
492
Margaery telling Cersei how she sucks at faking it
May 26th 2015
495
So is Brienne really going to stare at that window all season....
May 26th 2015
496
Are we assuming Bronn is definitely okay after drinking that?
May 26th 2015
499
He fucking better be.
May 26th 2015
501
yo
May 26th 2015
511
Ye gods, what's with all of you wanting to kill Bronn?
May 26th 2015
502
      I'm not anti-Bron, but at the same time
May 26th 2015
503
           To me, the issue wasn't that she saved Bronn...
May 26th 2015
504
           i thought they knew SOMEBODY was coming
May 26th 2015
506
           Yeah, i figured they were just ready for whatever
May 26th 2015
509
           Yeah, Bronn isn't a Lannister, he's a merc
May 27th 2015
518
           the whole sand snakes story is dumb
May 26th 2015
512
           Plus, the show needs comedy more than ever.
May 27th 2015
522
           Isn't poison this family's thing?
May 27th 2015
521
                Yes, but not really like that
May 27th 2015
524
           Bronn is the best. needs no explanation
May 26th 2015
513
The actor who played Aemon died, right?
May 26th 2015
510
nah, he's alive
May 26th 2015
514
Just looked, still alive, just turned 92!!
May 27th 2015
520
Diana Rigg better get AT MINIMUM an Emmy nomination.
May 27th 2015
523
This I agree with. Her and Bronn have saved the season from being...
May 27th 2015
525
i liked that last fight
May 27th 2015
526
And she was bad when she was young
Jun 01st 2015
561
HOLY FUCK
May 31st 2015
527
The Walkers play for keeps and The King respects Snow
May 31st 2015
The Walkers play for keeps and The King respects Snow
May 31st 2015
529
The Walkers play for keeps and The King respects Snow
May 31st 2015
530
That shit was epic
Jun 01st 2015
540
All Hail King Crow!
May 31st 2015
528
John just took out one of the King's strongest with Longclaw
May 31st 2015
531
      bruh...
May 31st 2015
532
      He s the key to this story.
May 31st 2015
535
      I just want to know what went through that White Walker's head when
May 31st 2015
533
           "Oh shit. No he didn't!"
May 31st 2015
534
           im anxiously awaiting a gif of his oh shit face
Jun 01st 2015
539
                via VF
Jun 01st 2015
557
                     yaaaas
Jun 03rd 2015
564
spoilerish..
May 31st 2015
536
http://tinyurl.com/mbrnoya
May 31st 2015
537
http://i.imgur.com/R1Kwt0Y.gif
May 31st 2015
538
      Lol!
Jun 01st 2015
543
      ^EPIC
Jun 01st 2015
546
Well, that escalated quickly...
Jun 01st 2015
541
Sheeeeeeittttt!
Jun 01st 2015
544
SO..... DOPE......
Jun 04th 2015
565
can yall imagine if the giant was turned into a wight...
Jun 01st 2015
542
I had thoughts about this episode....
Jun 01st 2015
545
why does Snow and them stay fucking with dragon glass?
Jun 01st 2015
547
I don't understand the question.
Jun 01st 2015
549
Up until your post I didn't even know there was a difference
Jun 04th 2015
566
      "What works" is just inferred in both mediums
Jun 05th 2015
567
Re: Rickon
Jun 01st 2015
554
If it makes you feel any better...Book readers have no idea either
Jun 01st 2015
555
A Giant can become a White Walker right?
Jun 01st 2015
548
I sincerely hope so
Jun 01st 2015
551
wight vs. white walker.
Jun 01st 2015
553
Now that was some shit.
Jun 01st 2015
550
550 posts... anyone else interested in a new thread? n/m
Jun 01st 2015
552
yep
Jun 01st 2015
556
There's only two more episodes for the season.
Jun 01st 2015
559
      This thing could clear 800 posts by the end of the season
Jun 01st 2015
560
           200+ posts as result of two episodes?
Jun 01st 2015
562
                Meh, some exaggeration there....
Jun 01st 2015
563
Yo! Shit got REAL!!!!!!
Jun 01st 2015
558
hide ya kids hide ya bastards
Jun 07th 2015
568
Stannis just became the biggest piece of shit in the seven kingdoms
Jun 07th 2015
569
Ramsay fault...
Jun 07th 2015
570
      right?!
Jun 07th 2015
574
      Well, if Davos didn't let Gendry go...
Jun 08th 2015
583
The Unsullied are fucking useless.
Jun 07th 2015
571
The sons of the harypy use the element of surprise
Jun 07th 2015
572
They're untrained rich dudes in masks!!!
Jun 07th 2015
575
      Yeah it's really been the riduculous part of the SOH story
Jun 07th 2015
576
      The Unsullied are an outnumbered occupation force
Jun 08th 2015
577
      it's also probably a lot of fighting pit champs getting paid.
Jun 08th 2015
578
           The Unsullied are basically the British redcoats
Jun 08th 2015
579
                Yep, this - think British in India
Jun 09th 2015
608
      She'll be riding in with the Dothraki presumably.
Jun 11th 2015
613
man, i was just gonna say this. goddamn they suck
Jun 07th 2015
573
that's one thing i've really hated about the show this season.
Jun 08th 2015
581
When was this because I must have missed it
Jun 08th 2015
585
      maybe i'm not remembering correctly, but during their travels TO...
Jun 08th 2015
586
           I only recall them killing their masters, which they easily killed
Jun 08th 2015
587
           RE: maybe i'm not remembering correctly, but during their travels TO...
Jun 08th 2015
601
The Unsullied aren't built for guerilla tactics
Jun 08th 2015
584
      they don't seem built for much of anything
Jun 08th 2015
592
I find the SOH and Unsullied anger funny
Jun 08th 2015
580
i can dig this
Jun 08th 2015
598
That was alot...
Jun 08th 2015
582
If I were Jon...
Jun 08th 2015
588
Even the giant seem broken...
Jun 08th 2015
591
Had the exact same reaction...
Jun 08th 2015
599
Jon Snow needs to work on his delivery when giving bad news
Jun 08th 2015
597
The level of disrespect Mr. Khaleesi was served was crazy.
Jun 08th 2015
589
He had it coming..
Jun 08th 2015
596
i'm pretty sure he arranged the attack but became an unknowing...
Jun 08th 2015
600
one thing i haven't heard anyone touch on is consequences for Arya.
Jun 08th 2015
590
is Jorah not contagious?
Jun 08th 2015
593
I think you have to touch the grayscale...
Jun 08th 2015
594
      that makes sense
Jun 08th 2015
595
the only thing that really annoys me about the Dorne scenes
Jun 08th 2015
602
lol, she's a bitter ass character tho.
Jun 08th 2015
605
      so is her, mom but she has more than one expression
Jun 08th 2015
606
           I hate Ellaria's shoulder pads more than anything in Dorne. lol
Jun 08th 2015
607
.
Jun 08th 2015
603
An Heirless Stannis sounds like a recipe for disaster now.
Jun 09th 2015
609
He needs the throne first before worrying about an heir.
Jun 11th 2015
612
      The Iron Throne is insignificant once the Walkers come a knocking.
Jun 12th 2015
616
           Well, WE know that... Stannis doesn't though.
Jun 12th 2015
617
                Stannis of all the suitors of the throne knows that better than anyone
Jun 12th 2015
619
                     Definitely agreed, but either way...
Jun 12th 2015
620
                          I can agree with that
Jun 16th 2015
720
So they blew the CGI budget in the 8th episode, huh?
Jun 09th 2015
610
the amateurish looking green screen work was disappointing
Jun 09th 2015
611
hahaha I had the same exact thought watching that scene
Jun 11th 2015
614
So apparently the finale's leaked...
Jun 12th 2015
615
HBO's really fucked up this season with the leaks
Jun 12th 2015
618
the episode hasn't leaked but some big spoilers have
Jun 12th 2015
621
so will you avoid Episode 10 then?
Jun 12th 2015
622
      nah i won't go that far, just don't want to have it spoiled before
Jun 12th 2015
623
I'll wait until Sunday. No rush.
Jun 12th 2015
624
FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK....
Jun 14th 2015
625
RE: FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK....
Jun 14th 2015
626
So as I understand it, the books are caught up with the show now, so...
Jun 14th 2015
627
Can tittywitch bring him back?
Jun 14th 2015
628
I mean, that's the speculation.
Jun 15th 2015
634
I doubt it. She fraud magician status now.
Jun 15th 2015
640
      nah she misinterpreted her vision but she's still got magic
Jun 15th 2015
646
           Which vision?
Jun 15th 2015
654
           she's proven her magic to be real a bunch of times...
Jun 15th 2015
655
           When?
Jun 15th 2015
656
                If there's anything you should have learned from watching...
Jun 15th 2015
669
           lmao. nigga yadda yadda'd the pussy smoke monster.
Jun 15th 2015
684
                Lol nah bruh...
Jun 15th 2015
714
           yeah i don't think she's inept as much as overconfident in her skills
Jun 15th 2015
668
                Sounds like a rainmaker to me...
Jun 15th 2015
683
That episode was Arya cool and then an endless sea of middle fingers.
Jun 14th 2015
629
For the first time, I'm happy the season is over.
Jun 14th 2015
630
that scene was LONG
Jun 15th 2015
641
yup still makes no sense to me...
Jun 15th 2015
647
that scene was WAY TOO LONG, totally unnecessary to show basically the
Jun 15th 2015
649
      nope.
Jun 15th 2015
657
That scene...
Jun 15th 2015
645
      body double..
Jun 15th 2015
658
           Ah interesting, just read that myself
Jun 15th 2015
662
well.... i didn't see that coming
Jun 14th 2015
631
That finale left me feeling empty.
Jun 15th 2015
632
One death too many. I think I'm done.
Jun 15th 2015
633
That little girl is going to be the savior for Jon Snow
Jun 15th 2015
635
I also think they foreshadowed with the last Arya scene.
Jun 15th 2015
636
Dothraki wanted to kill her at the end...so it's not good
Jun 15th 2015
648
was thinking Davos might kill Mel right then and there
Jun 15th 2015
638
      Not Mel, Thoros of Myr did...
Jun 15th 2015
644
      Davos doesn't know, at least not yet that Mel killed Shereen
Jun 15th 2015
664
Tryion's my only breaking point
Jun 15th 2015
637
      They can't kill Tyrion
Jun 15th 2015
660
Wasn't the explicit purpose of Arya becoming a faceless man
Jun 15th 2015
639
Yes. But impartial assassinations
Jun 15th 2015
643
      before all that we need to find out if she can even see.
Jun 15th 2015
679
      Jaquin had no problem killing for Arya when she needed to escape
Jun 15th 2015
686
           That was due to him owing the Many Faced God a debt of three
Jun 15th 2015
690
                There's levels to this shit - Many Faced God Bible
Jun 15th 2015
697
                right. forgot about that.
Jun 15th 2015
712
This season felt like cersei's walk of shame
Jun 15th 2015
642
I asked this in GD but I don't get the Crows at all...
Jun 15th 2015
650
the timing also struck me as weird
Jun 15th 2015
687
After the walk of shame, how much sympathy did you feel for Cersei?
Jun 15th 2015
651
i wanted her to order all the monks killed when she made it
Jun 15th 2015
653
I'm guessing because they've got the city behind them
Jun 15th 2015
659
      Exactly.
Jun 15th 2015
661
           they can't be as deep as the royal army plus the Tyrell army though
Jun 15th 2015
663
                You are talking about starting a full on civil war
Jun 15th 2015
665
                I'm just saying...if this isn't worth war then what is?
Jun 15th 2015
670
                Thing is though...
Jun 15th 2015
666
                     but at this point what's the alternative?
Jun 15th 2015
671
                          There might not be.
Jun 15th 2015
672
                               no argument there...it's def all her fault
Jun 15th 2015
675
not sympathy as much as i didn't want those loons to be the ones
Jun 15th 2015
667
Exactly. She deserved all that and more - but not like this.
Jun 15th 2015
692
Absolutely zero. none. I can't think of a fate horrible enough to sympat...
Jun 15th 2015
709
Bad season that ended strongly
Jun 15th 2015
652
If Jon is indeed really dead in the show, it's a terrible decision
Jun 15th 2015
673
meh, wouldn't they say that regardless?
Jun 15th 2015
674
Nah, Jon has been fucking up...he had to go.
Jun 15th 2015
676
That last sentence was encapsulated in their meeting with Wildlings
Jun 15th 2015
681
It absolutely makes sense.
Jun 15th 2015
677
Factual
Jun 15th 2015
680
      And it's easy to sit on the sidelines with the omniscient POV
Jun 15th 2015
682
"I'm not going to be back next season" © Kit
Jun 15th 2015
678
No. It's not uncharted at all. They did that for Emilie de Ravin on Lost
Jun 15th 2015
685
plus, even if he says Jon Snow is dead he doesn't have to be lying.
Jun 15th 2015
691
      This is where I'm at with it.
Jun 15th 2015
694
Kind of agreed
Jun 18th 2015
729
here's my problem if Jon IS dead
Jun 15th 2015
688
I suppose it would be Bran
Jun 15th 2015
693
MAN FUCK THIS SHOW!!!
Jun 15th 2015
689
Welcome to the jon snow question, show people
Jun 15th 2015
695
was great to see Varys
Jun 15th 2015
696
Okay, but here's the thing. Why are they staying in Mereen?
Jun 15th 2015
698
      She or someone told her, how can she rule Westors if she can't rule
Jun 15th 2015
699
      So Tyrion is going to rule it in her stead?
Jun 15th 2015
701
           No nigga. She's gonna come back and whoop ass.
Jun 15th 2015
704
      It's the day after.
Jun 15th 2015
700
      First of all, LOL @ you saying I'm "outraged" over this.
Jun 15th 2015
702
           It's in your tone.
Jun 15th 2015
705
                LOL @ my "tone" and "calling me out". Dude, slow your roll.
Jun 15th 2015
706
                     Like I said, I'm not trying to make you like the show.
Jun 15th 2015
708
      if she cant get it together there, she's not fit to rule
Jun 15th 2015
710
So the Boltons and High Sparrow Won Season 5 right?
Jun 15th 2015
703
^^^ sharp ^^^
Jun 15th 2015
707
High Sparrow winning by default though
Jun 15th 2015
711
the way he hit her with the second trial was very telling
Jun 15th 2015
713
The Faith Militant is the Taliban
Jun 16th 2015
718
WWE needs to pay serious attention to GoT at the moment.
Jun 18th 2015
728
Do we want to talk about that musical score during the final scene?
Jun 16th 2015
715
Yep I agree
Jun 16th 2015
722
i noticed something
Jun 17th 2015
725
So what the hell happened with Sansa and Theon?
Jun 16th 2015
716
Remember that they are kids of Winterfell.
Jun 16th 2015
717
^^
Jun 17th 2015
726
bran fell from a taste higher than they strategically jumped
Jun 16th 2015
719
Hopefully Theon breaks his legs and Sansa leaves his ass
Jun 16th 2015
721
they looked like they were jumping onto something
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mashpg89
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1. "wonder how these leaks will affect their release strategy for the future"
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I know GoT is unique in that it's the most pirated TV Show, but surely they can have better security. If they can't prevent the leaks might as well release them all at once on HBO Now for those who want to skip ahead. Either way, the spoilers are coming.

Last season I waited until all the episodes were aired and watched them over the course of 2-3 days. This season I think I'll space it out and just watch one episode a week as its released.

  

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2. "I binged the first two seasons to get caught up."
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But I've really enjoyed the build up of anticipation watching it on HBO Go weekly the past two seasons.

Plus, PS3 Media Server gets a little stuttery if you try to stream proper 720p from desktop to PS3 for me. This is a show I just have to see in full definition.

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3. "Winter really is coming "
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and I can't wait for it. I bought the new beer even though I've never had a dark saison, the marketing worked.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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4. "those dragons were like ,nah bitch, it ain't all good"
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not sure how she can turn that around.

the brothel scene, at first i thought that was Grey Worm with another actor switch

props to that little girl for capturing Cersei's cuntiness in the flashback. it's like you knew right away.

Stannis and his hype man, Davos riding on the north should be pretty interesting.

Stannis wife reminds me of a psycho christian fundamentalist

Robin... I know he was still breast feeding at 10, but good god that kid makes Joffrey look like Kahl Drogo.

i hate that Janos Slynt's bitch ass is still alive

right when i was wondering if Tyrion's doggie crate was full of shit they explained it. This show covers all bases.

  

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5. "My fave and least fave scene of the night"
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>
>Stannis wife reminds me of a psycho christian fundamentalist

She was enjoying that a bit too much. So glad John ended that shit. That was sadistic even for this show.

>Robin... I know he was still breast feeding at 10, but good
>god that kid makes Joffrey look like Kahl Drogo.
>

That was high comedy. I could watch that on loop all night. Promised him safety, but those skills. Nah. Lol

  

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23. "Robin's wussy moans were the funniest"
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>That was high comedy. I could watch that on loop all night.
>Promised him safety, but those skills. Nah. Lol

  

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7. "You and me both"
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>the brothel scene, at first i thought that was Grey Worm with
>another actor switch

I was like, "Damn. They don't give a fuck. They'll replace anyone with a quickness." lol

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8. "Missandei hot and bothered over the unsullied in brothels"
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trying to catch grey worm before the hoes get him
I wonder if little finger pimpin ass taking a cut too
Sansa: good girl gone bad. The next Cersei. And I like it, about damm time.

  

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9. "Sansa with the full heel turn."
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It's a good look for her

  

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10. "she ain't going 'heel' "
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unless you just mean the dark hair.

she's in for a rough season though but I think it'll end up *positive* (depending who's side you're on).

  

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13. "AND THE DARK CLOTHES"
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But yeah heels tend to be more interesting characters anyways, so it was an allusion to that, versus the classic "good vs evil" trope

  

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20. "I think it is obvious that Littlefinger is taking Sansa to Winterfell"
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Winterfell is west of the Eyrie and we already know Sansa is going to Winterfell this season from the previews.

I just don't understand why Littlefinger believes that Sansa would be safe in Winterfell with the Boltons. The Boltons have already betrayed the Starks once before to the Lannisters. However, with Tywin now dead the Boltons maybe less likely to just hand Sansa back over the Lannisters.

  

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38. "well"
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I think she's going to marry Ramsay.

because reasons. that I hope we buy.

LF probably has some plan in place to then take the Boltons out and add the North to his collection of wardenships.

Brienne, however, will follow them and could foil it.

  

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60. "I think that sounds about right for the motives of LF "
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I am just not sure I or other viewers will buy those reasons.

  

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64. "I'm highly skeptical"
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67. "As am I"
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71. "Sansa's still kinda wanted in a case of regicide"
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she's at least a person of interest.

and kinda sorta still married to someone.

  

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31. "I was thinking.... "Wait, I thought you said that shit ain't work!?""
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>trying to catch grey worm before the hoes get him

"You mean, you coulda been bussin' this out all along!?" lol

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14. "i basically agree with all of this"
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when grey worm walked up i was like, wait, didn't you get your throat slit?

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86. "yeah wtf"
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>i hate that Janos Slynt's bitch ass is still alive

figured they'd chop that fool's head off

  

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87. "thorne needs an ally"
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88. "fucker got banished to the wall and immediately got shot caller status"
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89. "well, he WAS commander of the gold cloaks"
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so there's that

  

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92. "and he's a lord who would hate jon snow"
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so of course thorne is his boy

  

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6. "jon snow running thangs now."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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11. "That's Lord Snow to you. "
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15. "Yea he's my vote to be king of the seven kingdoms"
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But hell, what do I know?

  

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44. "i'd take the north and beyond the wall"
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Stannis can have the rest.

  

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12. "best part: sons of the harpy"
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Creepy serial killer masks were great.

worst parts: what Sansa is up to and Mance dead

  

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16. "Stannis ain't shit. Man I hope Snow don't get got fucking w/him."
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17. "one true king watch your mouth"
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24. "(c) Davos"
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Davos says Stannis more than Hodor says Hodor

  

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21. "Yeah, he's dry as dust."
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But he *litrally* saved the Seven Kingdoms from a massive wildling invasion. Instead of using his Iron Bank funds to invade King's Landing he used it to perform his "kingly" duties in protecting the realm. He gets some credit for that at least, right?

I mean, I'm not pro-Stannis really, I'm just saying that's a pretty honorable thing to do.

  

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30. ""Stannis has the personality of a lobster" - Loras Tyrell"
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51. "then what does that make Loras? One of Orson's beetles?"
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76. "he was... a force"
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56. "How did he know there was a wildling attack attack again?"
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I know he didn't just come through on some random coincidence. Or was his plan to take the Wall all along and he just happened to be there during the wildling invasion?

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58. "'taking' the wall would be pointless, really"
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maester aemon sent out ravens to all the major castles and kings begging for help.

only davos listened.

stannis only has authority at the wall right now because he happens to be there and he saved them. he didn't really 'conquer' them. the watch takes no sides. or at least that's the idea of the watch.

Stannis came to help the watch to curry favor with the rest of the realm but we'll see if it works. it's not like he's gonna stick around and fight the others.

  

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61. "Ah... You right"
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Thought there might have been some bigger plan involved for Stannis. Forgot about Aemon asking for help. Thanks for the recap!

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65. "he and davos are resourceful"
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so they'll launch some campaign from there.

stannis ain't quitting.

  

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68. "Very much so and they have the backing of the Iron Bank now"
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With the death of Tywin and Cersei turning into a paranoid alcoholic, the Iron Bank is going to more than likely double down on its investment in Stannis.

  

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70. "I don't think he'll get very far this season but I could be wrong. "
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I think the big battle will be north of the wall again.

  

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22. "He's the one with the most legit claim to the Throne though"
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Unless you count Dany. But of everyone in Westeros, he's the one that by all rights should be king.

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25. "Oh absolutely - he's still a dick tho."
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48. "he rules with a firm but fair hand."
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all hail the one true king.

  

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82. "Burning that dude alive WASN'T fair. It was unnecesarily cruel."
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84. "Executing him was fair. Burning him to do it was extra."
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85. "that's a religious thing. "
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mance is a king. they need to sacrifice king blood (says Melissandre).

he's also a deserter of the night's watch so he had a death penalty anyways.

  

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90. "Stannis is a poser. A Stan. Fans of Stannis = Stans???"
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91. "Dunno... Melisandre sees something, right?"
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and she birthed assassin babies and called out Joffrey's death so... sounds like she kinda knows what she's doing


  

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93. "does she though? "
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96. "We're led to assume that."
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I'm ok with just going along for the ride, if I try and question everything it weakens any twists and turns

  

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32. "Nah, Blacksmith kid."
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34. "Dude fell off the face of the planet"
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Gendry was Arya's bestie for a little while there, wonder what he's up to

  

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46. "Rowing around the world i reckon"
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36. "I'm pretty sure brother's have a better claim to the throne than bastard..."
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Remember, Stannis and Jon Aryn were the ones who discovered Gendry and his "brothers". And since Stannis is all about doing things the "right" way, he wouldn't claim the Throne if there was someone who was legit next in line.

It's be another thing if someone legitimized Gendry, but that's not going to happen.

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45. "bastards have zero claim unless"
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they are naturalized by the throne. see: ramsay snow/bolton.

  

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40. "bastards have to be naturalized"
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why would they make the son of the king and some prostitute the king?

Stannis is capable and would be the best option.

  

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52. "To remove Jaime's kids."
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>why would they make the son of the king and some prostitute
>the king?
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54. "why would the lannisters do that to themselves?"
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and secondly, Robert has two brothers.

it'd probably start another war if they made a bastard who grew up in the ghetto into a king. there are others, too. who says gendry is the oldest? according to maggy the frog - he had 20 kids.

  

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62. "I thought Robert and Cersei did have one child together before Joffrey"
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was born and that child died while still a baby? I remember back in season one Cersei telling the story to Cathryn about losing her first child. Cersei told Cathryn that after a fan was pushed and lying in his coma. Was that a lie or is it true? If so, that would make the vision that the witch told her wrong.

Also, tinfoil GoT theory is that Gandry is that first child that Robert and Cersei had and the child didn't die. It doesn't make much sense but you never know.

  

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63. "gendry knew his mother. "
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cersei/joffrey had a bunch of bastards killed but they let Gendry grow up right under their nose?

Cersei most likely aborted the baby with tansy leaf. I don't remember the exact conversation but rest assured that kid isn't Gendry.

  

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66. "I am highly skeptical about that fan theory as well"
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I clearly remember Cersei saying that her and Robert had one child together and it died while it was still a baby, I believe from some sort of illness. Cersei talks of mourning that child and it being taken from her arms while it was still alive but I'll. She didn't abort that baby but I believe she aborted all of Roberts other babies after that.

I just don't see who would have the motives to take Roberts/Cerseis baby so early in Roberts reign. Anyways, just because he remember the mother that raised him doesn't mean it's the mother that gave birth to him.

  

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69. "there's not really any reason to think it's him. "
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it's reminiscent of two book plots, though, which is probably where it came from.

nobody was skeptical of the lannisters until jon arryn and stannis figured it out. maybe varys or LF - but we know what kind of plans Varys has in mind and it's not baratheon babies.

that baby would have been the heir so why steal that one and not the others? if it was jamie trying to promote his seed - he'd have just killed it considering what he did to Bran.

in the books there are other known bastards of Bobby B- and we see how the show handles any kind of subtlety so I doubt they'd have introduced this wrinkle on their own and then just let it hang a few seasons.

  

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26. "not a stretch to say his pointless arrogance will be his undoing"
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the 'kneel or die' shit was petty lameness. mance was of value.

  

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41. "he's not pointless. he plays by a set of rules."
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he is just and fair within those rules. ask davos.

  

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604. "told y'all that negro wasn't worth shit."
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18. "Tyrione & Varys have great chemistry."
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I'd watch a spin-off of them just talking shit.

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19. "I said that last night while watching"
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I'd gladly watch an hour of those two together. The writing, chemistry and acting are on point with those two. Both are in my top 5 characters. It's a joy to watch them.

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43. "it seems too public for varys, to me"
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he has spiders. he doesn't go do work himself.

  

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28. "prolly my fave part of the ep. especially with the prospect"
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of them meeting with danny
i guess the posters kinda of spoiled that. just didnt give it much thought.

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95. "great line after great line "
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my favorite was the talk about Tyrion's dumps.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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27. "I'm already missing The Hound and and Tywin"
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there was a degree of levity (albeit in a very twisted way) that the two of those brought to a show which can be overwhelmingly dark. Along with Joffrey it was a good mix.

  

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29. "I couldn't agree more"
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Tywin was always so fascinating to watch. In fact the only times i truly hated him was with anything involving Tyrion. His quiet alpha moves he pulled on Joffrey were always a treat.

The Hound was just a pure badass, and a master shit talker ("The greatest swordsman who ever lived killed by Meryn fucking Trant? LOL")

  

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35. "saw that ep again yesterday."
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>The Hound was just a pure badass, and a master shit talker
>("The greatest swordsman who ever lived killed by Meryn
>fucking Trant? LOL")
i forgot about that line.

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79. ""Bravos. Greasy haired little bastard i bet. They all are""
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cracked me up when i got the visual of Syrio in my head

  

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47. "if you don't die on camera..."
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72. "I've been waiting 4 seasons for the return of Arya's dance instructor"
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i might cry if they reunite

  

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75. "might have already"
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where tf jaqen come from

  

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77. "RE: might have already"
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"to be a dancing instructor is one thing...but to be a faceless man is something else entirely."

or something like that.

I don't think they're the same dude.

  

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81. "syrio definitely says"
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there is only one god and his name is death.

which is what the faceless men serve.

that said, my main curiosity is how a man of Jaqen's immense skills and face-changing abilities ended up as a prisoner being shipped to the wall.

  

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83. "You see it."
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33. "I need my man Bronn back with a quickness"
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37. "Yeah, Bronn definitely needs to be around this season"
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Though it would be interesting to see him do most of his interactions with people other than Tyrion.

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39. "I think he's gonna "
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get it this season. he doesn't serve a purpose anymore.

  

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49. "Guys like Bronn are survivors though"
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He doesn't play the game on the same level as people like Littlefinger, Tywin, etc., but does whatever he needs to do to keep breathing. Now that he's a lord, I imagine he'd want to stay the fuck out of the way and let everyone else fuck around.

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50. "did you watch the trailer? "
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it looks like he's with Jamie in Dorne.

  

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57. "Watched the trailer, but missed that part."
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59. "i'm not too excited about it. "
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although the martells hate lannisters more than anything as we saw from the red viper last year.

jamie could be walking right into the nest. for reasons.

  

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53. "He's still training Jamie to use the left hand, no?"
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55. "maybe? "
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jamie can't really force a lord to follow him around westeros, though.

  

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42. "varys and tyrion were funny"
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I imagine Bronn and Jamie's big adventure will bring some laughs.

there are under-utilized characters who are funny - such as dolorous edd.

  

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74. "Dolorous Edd-rian Neville n/m"
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78. "Tyrion can bring it but his recent predicament "
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has been a drag. presumably he'll be off to save the realm so I don't know how much he'll continue to interject his humor.

Varys is a sharp dude but I never found him to be funny. Just weird and clammy. Just my opinion.

  

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80. "although i did laugh after tyrion vomited and then took another swig"
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lol

  

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94. "With these leaks, how dangerous does waiting week to week become?"
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In terms of spoilers

  

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97. "I'm hoping people are being good in here."
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Some assholes in the /r/asoiaf subreddit are deliberately PM'ing other users with spoilers from the leaks.

  

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98. "Did anyone notice a few differences in character actions this season"
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- Stannis since he's gotten to the Wall he's become somewhat Smug. He's almost smiling at people, which is not the Stannis we've come to know. He's stone faced and tight lipped, but here he seems to almost be at ease. I don't know I just found that strange.

- Varys, he has NEVER been as direct with anyone as he was with Tyrion when he took him out of that box. My wife and I figured that because he's no longer in King's Landing and there aren't as many ears to hear he doesn't have to be the Spider any longer or play the spider role.

- Sam is looking less conflicted about his love of Gillie every day.

- Cersei shamed the shit out of Jamie. I'm like damn dog, he lost a father too. Now granted he did have a direct hand in getting his father killed.

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99. "I think cersei is consistent"
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but varys' plan (and even Littlefinger's) don't make sense to me so far.

Varys never gets his hands dirty - except in private.

  

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100. "Naw, Dae's right"
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He's not in King's Landing so he doesn't need to be as careful with his intentions. But he's been supporting the Targaryens for a long time...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUjPBtlhBls

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103. "no. "
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his intentions are ALWAYS a secret.

it's possible he's not fully invested in Tyrion/Dany in the show like they've made it out to be but Varys and LF are pulling the strings on pretty much everything.

Varys would not let it known that he is with Tyrion traveling across Essos. He's a person of interest in the murder of Tywin. Cmon now. He's much more careful than that.

They tried to kill Dany in Essos. It's not out of reach.

  

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107. "Are they though?"
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>his intentions are ALWAYS a secret.

Like you said, he doesn't get his hands dirty, except in private. We saw this in that clip above that Arya was privy to, we saw this in his plea to Ned to admit he was a traitor, and we saw a hint of this in his conversation with Oberyn last season, with his nod to the throne.

However, his S1 conversation with Illyrio Mopatis made absolutely clear where his loyalties lie: to the Targaryens. How are Daenerys and Viserys in Penthos under Illyrio's care? Why else would Varys urge Illyrio to speed Daenerys' betrothal to Khal Drogo?

But he hid his intentions, like publicly supporting King Robert's desire to kill Daenerys (and her child) to the Small Council. Doing otherwise would have been suicide since he knew Littlefinger was just as well connected as he was.

Yet his conversation with Tyrion is the first time we've seen him be *explicit* about his intentions to an "outsider". Why?

- He's at the home of Illyrio, the only person we've seen that is truly on Varys' side (where it's also safe to assume Littlefinger has no reach)
- Tyrion is clearly not on good terms with his family or anyone in King's Landing
- Daenerys is clearly not going back to Westeros any time soon. Linking Tyrion (who has the motive) to Daenerys may compel her to do so.

>it's possible he's not fully invested in Tyrion/Dany in the
>show like they've made it out to be but Varys and LF are
>pulling the strings on pretty much everything.

It's possible, yes. But it would throw the entire Daenerys arc out of wack, because there is no reason Daenerys should have been alive this long. She (and Viserys) would have died at the end of Robert's Rebellion like the rest of her family.

Varys and LF really are pulling the strings on everything, but with completely different motives.


>Varys would not let it known that he is with Tyrion traveling
>across Essos. He's a person of interest in the murder of
>Tywin. Cmon now. He's much more careful than that.

Who says he's letting it known? It's not like he's advertising where he's at. He's also disclosing his motives with probably the only person in Westeros who hates the Lannisters more than the Starks hate them. He's not exactly being "careless" by opening up to Tyrion.

>
>They tried to kill Dany in Essos. It's not out of reach.

"They", yes. But not Varys. Robert was responsible for that, by a public decree. Varys was lucky Jorah was there to stop it. Why would Varys sabotage the work he's been putting in for the last ten years?

Remember, the important thing to note is that Daenerys and her brother should have died when Robert became king, but they were smuggled out of Westeros and privately harbored for years with Illyrio Mopatis. Varys wants stability for "the realm" and he feels that a Targaryen on the throne is the only way to achieve that.

  

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111. "No."
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Talking to tyrion isn't the problem.

But Varys is not the type to PUBLICLY take sides. Now, this could change - maybe something happens on the way - but there is simply no way Varys will just show up in Mereen and take her side. King's Landing would find out. Vary will continue to play both (or all) sides until the victory is complete and his involvement will only be known to a select few.

Same with Littlefinger. Nobody trusts him but people also don't know how many things he is responsible for.

The show cannot convey these kind of subtleties well - so they seem to have abandoned trying to maintain it and simply just made them known 'players.'

Those two men were so powerful because they worked in secret.

And Varys' typically claims to serve the 'realm.' He may just be a Targ loyalist because they are the best option in his eyes.

  

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114. "None of that contradicts what I said."
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But you're leaping to some conclusions here.

> there is simply no way Varys will just show up in Mereen and take her side.

Who knows what will happen? I happen to agree with you, as that's not his style, but he doesn't have to be public to pick a side (which he's already done).

> Vary will continue to play both (or all) sides until the victory is complete

What victory is there for him if he plays "all" sides? He's always favored stability, and that desire for stability led directly to Tyrion's one question to him at his trial: did Varys forget what Tyrion did for the city?

If Varys really is siding with the Lannisters/Baratheons, then why is Daenerys still alive? That is the critical question your position can't answer, that the show is explicitly showing us.

> The show cannot convey these kind of subtleties well - so they seem to have abandoned trying to maintain it and simply just made them known 'players.'

You're the one trying to find "subtleties" in his intentions, when this was explicitly laid out in Season 1. There are subtleties in his methods, yes, but not in his *intentions*. Again, why was Daenerys sheltered with Illyrio for so long? How did she get there in the first place?

> And Varys' typically claims to serve the 'realm.' He may just be a Targ loyalist because they are the best option in his eyes.


Right. That's exactly what I said above. He's a Targ loyalist, he's not playing "all" sides. Baratheons, Lannisters and Starks on the throne don't foster stability. Seriously, rewatch that scene with Arya. He refers to Ned having the same information to the "Baratheon" lineage that Jon Arryn had, which led to his (then Ned's) death. He knew a civil war in King's Landing was coming, which is why he was pushing Illyrio to speed things up with Daenerys.

So why is Varys a Targaryen loyalist? Robert Baratheon took the crown by force but Varys knows that a true Baratheon no longer sits on the throne. He also knows that the Targaryens held the throne for generations before Robert The Usurper came along. This is why he's loyal to the Targaryens... because he knows that's the family that deserves to be on the throne.

  

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116. "Maybe I wasn't clear"
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Varys definitely prefers Targs - but I sense you're a book reader - So you know how he's not fair or honest with Targs either (who does he really support in the books? The person he helped marry off to a savage or the one trained to be a knight?).

But to get back with the original discussion - I think the implications of what Varys said to Tyrion are inconsistent with how he operates. Varys has pulled the strings on Dany for nearly 20 years in show time - he doesn't need to go there.

Above all, I think Varys wants to live. He wouldn't put all his eggs in one basket. He'd have a plan B and C and D in case the Tyrion/Dany move doesn't come together. And based on Dany's meandering and Tyrion's impulsiveness and whoring - he shouldn't bank on it.

As a side note, based on what I've read of spoilers (haven't watched the leaks) - they have combined many existing roles into other roles. So, it doesn't make sense for LF to marry off Sansa...but it was simpler for the show. It doesn't make sense for Varys to go on an adventure...but he will (at least for a while?). And I think we'll see more of that with Brienne perhaps filling a certain King's job. And Bronn is playing a Dayne? I don't know...we have to see on that one.

But, if you're a book reader as I suspect, we had to know this was coming. They weren't going to have a season of Jamie sitting outside castles talking to dudes. Or Sam on a boat.

  

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120. "It's true, I'm a book reader."
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I've also probably been one of the most vocal anti-book-spoiler people here on this board in the past several years. I'm very cognizant of what's in the show and what's not, and everything I'm bringing up here is entirely from the show. With that said, not sure why being a book reader or not matters.

> So you know how he's not fair or honest with Targs either (who does he really support in the books? The person he helped marry off to a savage or the one trained to be a knight?).

Easy: the savage. Why? Because the "savage" is in control of an immense army, bigger than any (or combined) in Westeros. This is obvious with or without being a book reader. Knights are a dime a dozen in Westeros... armies are not.

> I think the implications of what Varys said to Tyrion are inconsistent with how he operates. Varys has pulled the strings on Dany for nearly 20 years in show time - he doesn't need to go there.

How so? Varys trusts very, very few. Tyrion is intelligent, has the correct motives, and perhaps most importantly, shows trust in Varys (remember his one question to Varys during his trial?). Since Varys is trying to put a Targaryen on the throne, in Tyrion he sees a potential situation that can make that happen. This is entirely consistent how he operates.

> Above all, I think Varys wants to live. He wouldn't put all his eggs in one basket. He'd have a plan B and C and D in case the Tyrion/Dany move doesn't come together. And based on Dany's meandering and Tyrion's impulsiveness and whoring - he shouldn't bank on it.

Well, of course he wants to live, but Varys isn't unique in that regard. You're trying to shoehorn motives into his character that has no basis in how the show is actually playing out.


> As a side note, based on what I've read of spoilers (haven't watched the leaks) - they have combined many existing roles into other roles. So, it doesn't make sense for LF to marry off Sansa...but it was simpler for the show. It doesn't make sense for Varys to go on an adventure...but he will (at least for a while?). And I think we'll see more of that with Brienne perhaps filling a certain King's job. And Bronn is playing a Dayne? I don't know...we have to see on that one. But, if you're a book reader as I suspect, we had to know this was coming. They weren't going to have a season of Jamie sitting outside castles talking to dudes. Or Sam on a boat.


You're venturing into really dangeorus territory here. This is the show thread, remember? I can answer every single one of these in length if you want, but it's uncomfortable how casual you're just throwing out various arcs.

  

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125. "none of those things are close to spoilers"
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'Jamie sits in front of castles?' That is practically meaningless.

I fully stand by the claim that Varys is a behind-the-scenes player and wouldn't put his own life, name, or face on the line. He'd get someone else to do it.

That said, it's possible he 'disappears' soon but I think his conversation implied that he plans to do something. While he might tell Tyrion some truth but it wouldn't be the whole truth. I'm simply skeptical the show can portray any kind of subtlety. David Simon should have directed it.

  

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127. "lol, right."
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Like Jaime sitting in front of castles is the only thing you mentioned. There's a moment you mentioned that hasn't been hinted at yet in the show. If you don't think that's a spoiler (right after explicitly saying you read spoilers) then you need to rethink your definition of "spoiler".

> I fully stand by the claim that Varys is a behind-the-scenes player and wouldn't put his own life, name, or face on the line. He'd get someone else to do it.

Great. I agree. That's not my argument, nor was it your original position. You were arguing that Varys was playing all sides in posts 99 and 103; I disagreed, I pointed out he's only on one side.

> That said, it's possible he 'disappears' soon but I think his conversation implied that he plans to do something. While he might tell Tyrion some truth but it wouldn't be the whole truth. I'm simply skeptical the show can portray any kind of subtlety. David Simon should have directed it.

Also lol. When Lysa was proclaiming her love for Baelish, she admitted to being the tipping point for the entirety of the series. The payoff for a scene in S1E1 happened 39 episodes later, almost four full seasons' worth. This was also a moment that went way over many viewers' heads. Now THAT is subtle.

  

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143. "I've been thinking more about it"
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And I am even more convinced that LF and Varys have been incredibly over-simplified this season.

I am not sure Varys is a Targ operative. I think he has his own goals and dreams (based on his visions from his 'surgery').

They basically just sent Dany off on her own as a sort of contingency plan in case they need her. They had no idea the dragon eggs would hatch.

And, I'm not trying to post spoilers. I've treated just about everything in here as a show-only discussion. Book aside, Varys and LF are operating way out of character and I think need week will really drive that home for LF.

That said, I think Varys is taking off in Volantis which is why he mentioned it. So maybe he'll get back to some sneaky stuff...

  

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153. "For someone who isn't a book reader..."
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you're making some presumptions with this:

> And I am even more convinced that LF and Varys have been incredibly over-simplified this season.

The LF/Sansa arc already went past the scope of the books at the end of last season so no one has any real idea of where it's going (other than people that have watched the leaks).

And Varys is no longer King's Landing's Master of Whisperers, so he is free to pursue his true intentions. He is doing that with Tyrion. That's not an oversimplification, that's development of character.

> I am not sure Varys is a Targ operative. I think he has his own goals and dreams (based on his visions from his 'surgery').

You're trying to shoehorn motives again. He's not a Targ "operative", he IS operating with his own goals. I'm not even sure Daenerys is aware of his presence, honestly. You need to stop trying to fit the story's narrative with your beliefs on what the narrative "should" be.

> They basically just sent Dany off on her own as a sort of contingency plan in case they need her. They had no idea the dragon eggs would hatch.

No. Again, trying to fit the story to what you think it is, instead of what's actually playing out. Marrying Daenerys to Drogo was the plan, not hatching the eggs. The reason it took so long was because she wasn't of age yet. The eggs were the unknown X-factor when Drogo died.

> And, I'm not trying to post spoilers. I've treated just about everything in here as a show-only discussion.

That's fair, I never thought you did it out of malice, just carelessness. That thread I was referring to still hasn't been revealed yet on the show, FYI.

> Book aside, Varys and LF are operating way out of character and I think need week will really drive that home for LF.

We can agree to disagree. LF's MO has always been ambition of title. We saw that with Harrenhal, we saw that with his departure to the Eyrie, and I'm pretty sure we'll see that this season. Not sure how this current arc is out of character for him.

> That said, I think Varys is taking off in Volantis which is why he mentioned it. So maybe he'll get back to some sneaky stuff...

This could happen, sure. What will not change is his own goal, which is putting a Targaryen on the throne.

  

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155. "LF took out joffrey and stole Sansa and no one knows"
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he even betrayed ned stark in season one. the man is climbing the ladder. nobody trusts him but nobody knows just how 'behind things' he is. He's ambitious but he never puts himself at RISK for it. he has others do it for him, like any true machiavellian.

He would not do what we both know he's about to do - a) putting her in risk of great physical pain and trauma and b) just announcing he has her and what he's going to do with her.

In terms of Varys, I think he even works more in the shadows. He wouldn't go with Tyrion to Mereen - he'd have Illyrio outfit Tyrion with some riders and send him there alone. It's far too dangerous for a man like Varys in a warzone.

This has nothing to do with my belief of what the narrative should be. One of the best parts of the series (in any media) are the complex plotlines and clever plans and ambitions. I think that has become severely limited in the show (to be expected, to an extent) and I think it's trending toward worse. For instance, why introduce the Lollys plotline to just have Bronn take off to play Liam Neesons? It's weak. Why introduce Tysha? Was Mance really a character with any impact?

And, based off our other conversations in here - you seem to agree that some of the storylines here are way off track.

You seem kind of mad about it so I apologize if I rubbed you the wrong way. But I stand by my opinion that the show has lost most (or all) subtlety and nuance.

  

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163. "RE: LF took out joffrey and stole Sansa and no one knows"
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> He's ambitious but he never puts himself at RISK for it. he has others do it for him, like any true machiavellian.

Yet he's the one that pushed Lysa out the Moon Door and held the knife to Ned's throat. You have selective memory here. And how exactly is he putting himself at "risk" right now? He's surrounded by, and has the official support of, the other houses of The Vale.

> He would not do what we both know he's about to do - a) putting her in risk of great physical pain and trauma and b) just announcing he has her and what he's going to do with her.

He hasn't announced anything. Brienne was the one that did that.

> In terms of Varys, I think he even works more in the shadows. He wouldn't go with Tyrion to Mereen - he'd have Illyrio outfit Tyrion with some riders and send him there alone. It's far too dangerous for a man like Varys in a warzone.

So... you're saying make it like the books?

> This has nothing to do with my belief of what the narrative should be.

Are you sure about that?

> I think that has become severely limited in the show (to be expected, to an extent) and I think it's trending toward worse. For instance, why introduce the Lollys plotline to just have Bronn take off to play Liam Neesons? It's weak. Why introduce Tysha? Was Mance really a character with any impact?

Sounds like you've got some book plotlines muddling up what the show is doing and what YOU think the show *should* be doing. What makes it worse is that since you haven't read the books you have no real idea on just HOW big the book scope is that needs to be condensed into a watchable format.

> you seem to agree that some of the storylines here are way off track.

I actually don't... I'm very cognizant that many storylines need to take different paths to get to the same place, and I can appreciate the changes. Unlike many book readers, I actually feel a lot of the changes in the show come off MUCH better than in the books.

> You seem kind of mad about it so I apologize if I rubbed you the wrong way. But I stand by my opinion that the show has lost most (or all) subtlety and nuance.

I'm not mad actually. I just find it interesting to debate with people that refuse to accept the evidence in front of them, no matter how hard they try to spin it.

  

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101. "Word."
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>- Stannis since he's gotten to the Wall he's become somewhat
>Smug. He's almost smiling at people, which is not the Stannis
>we've come to know. He's stone faced and tight lipped, but
>here he seems to almost be at ease. I don't know I just found
>that strange.

I think Stannis is a bully, and probably has ALWAYS been a bully - but what's a bully w/out power? He's got power know and he loves it - too much.
>
>- Varys, he has NEVER been as direct with anyone as he was
>with Tyrion when he took him out of that box. My wife and I
>figured that because he's no longer in King's Landing and
>there aren't as many ears to hear he doesn't have to be the
>Spider any longer or play the spider role.

I think it's two fold. 1.) yeah, he's out the lion's den - so he can breathe a lil' easier now. 2.) I think he respects Tyrione too much to bullshit w/him.
>
>
>- Cersei shamed the shit out of Jamie. I'm like damn dog, he
>lost a father too. Now granted he did have a direct hand in
>getting his father killed.


I cannot for the LIFE of me understand why he fucks/fucked w/her at all. She's insufferable and seemingly always has been. Jamie ain't perfect, but he always seemed to be, at the bottom of it all - a decent dude.

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decent isn't a word to describe any Lannister.

  

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108. "lol, fair enough"
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I guess that's how bad Cersei is, in comparison to her, he looks decent.

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106. "RE: Did anyone notice a few differences in character actions this season"
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>- Stannis since he's gotten to the Wall he's become somewhat
>Smug. He's almost smiling at people, which is not the Stannis
>we've come to know. He's stone faced and tight lipped, but
>here he seems to almost be at ease. I don't know I just found
>that strange.
>

yeah, but the change in Stannis' character is a temporary high...he's kinda been losing....the last "battle
he was in, he got his cheeks handed to him (Blackwater)...he's enjoying his win and his "rule" for now...it's only temporary cause he KNOWS he doesn't wanna just be King of The Wall

>- Varys, he has NEVER been as direct with anyone as he was
>with Tyrion when he took him out of that box. My wife and I
>figured that because he's no longer in King's Landing and
>there aren't as many ears to hear he doesn't have to be the
>Spider any longer or play the spider role.
>
he's still the Spider, but he doesn't have to be a secretive....


>- Sam is looking less conflicted about his love of Gillie
>every day.
>
the more he lives with/around he, the more he's naturally gonna feel this way...he basically has a wife and son now....

>- Cersei shamed the shit out of Jamie. I'm like damn dog, he
>lost a father too. Now granted he did have a direct hand in
>getting his father killed.

Cersei hasn't changed AT ALL...she just happened to be right on THIS thing...but Jaimie was right too...folks are coming now that Tywin's dead....only thing jamie coulda done better was to literally escort Tyrion to the ship....his intentions in freeing his brother were good, but Tyrion decided to get some payback b4 he left....

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102. "I was afraid to come in here before seeing all 4 episodes"
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think others are probably avoiding as well, seems like not as many posts as there usually are here

I was debating on waiting week to week, but couldn't keep myself from peeping the leaks. lol

  

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105. "We just need to agree to no spoilers before the AIR DATE."
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I always want the series to last as long as possible so no way I'm diving into the next few yet only to have a barren month ahead!

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109. "Does Cersei know the Lannisters are broke?"
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110. "Too Paranoid..."
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Worried about the next queen coming.

But she's not a great strategist.
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I think it's more like they don't make money like they used to.

The money Tywin lends to the throne comes from somewhere.

  

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113. "Well, Tywin said there's no more in gold in Lannisport's mines"
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He certainly implied that they need the Tyrell's to keep things on the rails. Especially with the debt the Throne still owes everyone and Littlefinger gone from King's Landing.

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115. "Yup. In a scene with Cersei last season..."
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he stated that the last gold mine went dry three years prior, and a huge debt was owed to the Iron Bank of Braavos.

  

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117. "does that make sense?"
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Tywin loans the money to the throne. The throne borrows from the iron bank and wont' pay it back. But the Iron Throne gives Tywin money to loan to the throne who is known to not pay their debts?

show is off the rails.

  

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119. "Tywin loaned a lot of money to the throne when Rob was king"
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and the throne borrowed from the Iron Bank to pay for the war of 5 kings.

  

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122. "Correct."
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In addition to that, remember Littlefinger was the former Master of Coin, and his reputation as such was highly well-regarded.... because Robert was well known for off the charts spending during his days.

  

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126. "it served LF to put the throne in debt. "
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he was happy to do it.

  

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128. "Robert had more to do with that debt than LF did. n/m"
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144. "yes but it worked in LF's favor too"
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a 'true' master of coin would perhaps try harder to make things balanced.

  

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154. "I didn't say that it didn't."
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A "true" Master of Coin would do what it takes to make his king happy, not to make things "balanced."

This is Westeros, there are no GAAP guidelines that Littlefinger has to adhere to for shareholders

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generally_accepted_accounting_principles

  

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159. "so we agree and you continue to argue with me. "
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165. "Nuance."
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I agree that LF benefitted from being Master of Coin (mostly the title, partly the funds). I don't agree with your post 126 that the throne was in debt *because* of LF.

In other words, if, say, Tyrion was Master of Coin while Robert was king, he would probably do whatever it takes to make Robert happy (with his hunting and drinking and partying), regardless of cost. Same deal with LF.

  

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192. "The throne was NOT in debt because of LF"
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This isn't a spoiler because it's long gone in the TV series, but was covered more fully in the books, I think (I haven't read past the second book, so don't worry...) - LF rose in the ranks so quickly *because* he was such an effective master of coin. For example, he invested in commodities on behalf of the crown and was integral in stopping King Robert from going under beneath the weight of his drinking and whoring.

The real financial problems started when LF left the post and Tyrion was given multiple wars and a wedding to pay for.

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196. "Ah, I stand corrected then, good looks"
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I remembered his prestige as Master of Coin but forgot exactly what he did for that reputation. It's been a good 4-5 years since I've read that first book.

  

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124. "has it been 3 years show time?"
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seems like Twyin would know he was about to dry up and wouldn't be loaning his gold out to kingdoms with bad credit scores.

  

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129. "To quote Varys...."
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"Power resides where men believe it resides."


The biggest allure of House Lannister is that they basically shit gold, so much so that many people (both TV viewers and people of Westeros) think "A Lannister always pays his debts" is their actual house motto. It's not. But much of the Lannister power resides in people *believing* that to be true.

Robert winning the crown preceded the Lannister gold drying up by several years (and he was a major cause of that as well). If Tywin had revealed that the Lannisters were broke, all their prestige would be lost.

This was why Littlefinger was so respected as Master of Coin, because he kept the pretense of wealth up for so long (by borrowing shit tons of gold of course).

  

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162. "agreed. "
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Also underscores how dangerous LF is regardless of the type of scheme. he's playing a long game.

And all because he was friend zoned by Catelyn Stark.

  

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118. "See, I couldn't remember if he had that convo with Jamie or Cersei "
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121. "I forgot too. "
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Thought it was Tyrion at first, hence the edit

  

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123. "Iron Bank got them by the balls."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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130. "... and may be funding Stannis or Dany very shortly"
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... when they realise that the Crown hasn't been keeping up with its minimum repayments.

What was it Tywin said in that conversation with Cersei... something like "One way or another, the Iron Bank always get their money"

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131. "They're already funding Stannis"
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145. "outside of the pirates, who don't work on land"
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he doesn't have a lot to show for his mone so far.

  

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148. "He hit Mance Raider with an army of sell-swords"
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He got his money at the end of last season.

  

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158. "Where did he buy sellswords from? "
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Was it off-camera? It seemed like they went from Braavos to the wall but I could be mis-remembering.

I'm probably just confused.

There's not a lot for sellswords to spend money on at the wall...

  

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191. "*dons orthopedic shoes*"
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I stand corrected.

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132. "the youngish looking dude in the robe chatting with Cersei"
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he was the kid that was fucking Cersei while Jamie was away?

can someone explain to me the significance of their conversation? i was a bit lost. thx.

  

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133. "Yup, that's him. "
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And not only that, but he's Cersei's first cousin, Lancel Lannister.

That particular conversation was notable because it basically confirmed that Cersei was complicit in King Roberts death, and not just him being a drunkard.

  

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139. "the point of that conversation is to show the church's growing influence"
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Even inner-circle Lannisters are converting.

  

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160. "and the waning influence of the Lannisters themselves"
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specifically the queen regent.

  

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134. "Dany stay fucking up. she needs Tyrion and Varys in the worst way."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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136. "lol the fuck was she thinking?"
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she's got that ridiculous Ned Stark mindset that if you do what's right, everyone will understand.

  

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138. "idk if Ned would've been dumb enough to arrange a public execution"
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they could've just killed dude on the low.

I wasn't even sure what was going on at first...the idea was so ridiculous and the outcome so predictable.

  

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141. "Not Ned, but interesting parallel..."
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with Robb Stark's execution of Lord Karstark for killing the young Lannister kids.

  

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164. "nice catch"
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pretty similar with them busting in in the low and killing prisoners.

but at the very least, Rob knew (or was advised) that he would absolutely lose Karstark support for doing what he felt was right.

I have no idea what kind of reaction Dany expected gathering everyone up and pulling something this Naive. I guess she just thought they worship her so much, they'd never lash out.

unlike the Rob thing she can probably weather this, but it was just flat out dumb

  

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170. "yep "
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>with Robb Stark's execution of Lord Karstark for killing the
>young Lannister kids.

  

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161. "he always beheaded deserters with an audience. "
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but he for sure would have a trial, I think. ned isn't stannis.

  

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169. "All I can remember is the execution in the very first episode"
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tough to compare...there was like 10 people in the audience, IIRC.

this was clearly a volatile situation.

  

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180. "i got the sense that was the drill"
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but yeah, he didn't gather all of Winterfell to witness

  

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146. "I don't think Varys is going with Tyrion"
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just based on the shady way he talked about Volantis.

  

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135. "Lol @Sam pulling Janos Slynt's ho card"
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137. "man there was no way the show was just gonna let that shit slip"
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watching cersei and janos get punked was a gift to the audience

  

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140. "I'm shocked he got away with it. "
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I kept waiting for him to get murked.
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203. "janos slynt don't want it w/ jon snow. sam is teflon as long as hes arou..."
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149. "I was SO fucking proud of him. Sam is becoming a G on the low."
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152. "Sam BEEN a G"
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193. "Sam the Slayer!"
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His arc has been excellent - couldn't stand the sight of him the first few times, but they've fleshed him out brilliantly.

Well, he has plenty of flesh anyway.

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185. "Yo, even Aemon Targaryen was laughing"
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189. "If I could have a beer with anyone in Westeros..."
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it would be Aemon Targaryen.

  

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204. "Worrrrd."
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Him or Tyrion for me... though a night on the lash with the Demon Imp of Casterly Rock would probably take a month to recover from.

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213. "Bronn or Tyrione, in fact Bronn & Tyrione sounds fun as shit."
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214. "Yeah, I can't deny Tyrion and/or Bronn"
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But the Targaryens, man! Royal blood! Aemon was like, 8th in line to be king and HE TURNED THAT SHIT DOWN.


Tyrion would be more fun for sure, but Aemon would have stories for days.

  

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215. "He's the man"
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said "no thanks" to the crown.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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216. "^ ^ ^ sam on the come-up!"
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142. "You nothing Jon Snow! "
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Dammit! Take the knee, change your fate. Oh well. I don't know how this is going to end, but those are those ned stark jeans. You know those old dudes want his head. Best thing about showing the vote is seeing how far behind slynt was.

And Dany. WTF. Execute that dude in the pyramid and put the word out. I'm not so sure surrounding herself with better people. Ser Barristan counseled her, but this was murkier. Easiest path was to just murk the dude in the room and move on.


Lots of other stuff going on. Too much. This show really is spreading out.

I am calling sloppiness with that camera reveal with J'qen H'ghar. I know they had to spend on the dragon shot, but that was sloppy.



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194. "She misses Mormont's pragmatic advice BADLY."
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Barriston walking on thin ice with that "don't become your Father" speech.

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147. "Bear Island knows no king but the King in the North, whose name is STARK"
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best moment of a kinda weak episode IMO.

Brienne's plot is empty and silly at this point. Even if she follows them...what is she going to do if she gets Sansa somehow?

I'm cautiously optimistic that the sand snakes will bring some real bad assery this season but I'm not looking forward to Taken 4 starring Jamie and Bronn.

  

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150. "How the fuck not??"
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> I'm not looking forward to
>Taken 4 starring Jamie and Bronn.


That shit looks amazing to me.

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157. "it's...out of character for one"
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dude has never shown a single interest in his kids now he's going to head into the viper's nest to 'steal' a girl who he can't admit is his daughter and is engaged to the heir of Dorne?

Bronn's ambitions were to be lord and he was there. Does dude really strike you as the type to care that his wife's a bit off? And he'll just put that aside for a secret agent mission about realm matters he really gives no shit about?

There's no reason for it to even be secret. Send a 'diplomatic' envoy and then steal her back. It's just overly complex in a time when they are trying to over-simplify all other plots.

  

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166. "RE: it's...out of character for one"
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Jaime's singular motivation the entire series has been Cersei. It's because of her that he did his grimiest shit. That hasn't changed; he's going to Dorne for Cersei, not Myrcella.

As for Bronn, he's given the promise of a better girl and castle for his help. This is entirely consistent with his character, especially when it's revealed Lollys is not directly in line to live in the castle.

> There's no reason for it to even be secret. Send a 'diplomatic' envoy and then steal her back.

Again, it reeks to me like you've been reading spoilers and have this idea of how the show *should* go instead of how it's actually going, and ignoring the evidence placed in front of you.

  

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182. "Yup"
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>Jaime's singular motivation the entire series has been
>Cersei. It's because of her that he did his grimiest shit.
>That hasn't changed; he's going to Dorne for Cersei, not
>Myrcella.
>
>As for Bronn, he's given the promise of a better girl and
>castle for his help. This is entirely consistent with his
>character, especially when it's revealed Lollys is not
>directly in line to live in the castle.

  

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151. "How Dany gon make the EXACT mistake she was just told about?"
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What the fuck is she thinking? Clearly "Madness" runs in the family.

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156. "why does she have a council if she"
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just does what barristan says when everyone else leaves?

  

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167. "That council was the very definition of confusion.."
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>just does what barristan says when everyone else leaves?

Everybody saying something completely different.

She really had no way of making that right.

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168. "Can we just get Brienne a cat and be done with it?"
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She can adopt it and make her pledge by the old gods and the new, and just stay home

This poor giant lady

  

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171. "I was a bit thrown by the chase sequence"
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That scene would've played out more sensibly if they just let her huff off in a depression and go to the woods to contemplate her life's worth now that the One Huge Mission in her life resulted in total rejection.

I can see how she would see Sansa being with Littlefinger as a threat to Catelyn's protection order but I also could've seen Brienne taking Sansa's stern disapproval as a release from the gig and gone to the nearest pub for the rest of her life. Maybe become a bouncer at a brothel in King's Landing.

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179. "it didn't make much sense"
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Halfway in I thought maybe her plan was to draw Littlefingers men away, then head back and Swoop up Sansa, but she didn't need to do any of that just to follow them.

Lol @ Lttlefinger clowning her resume

  

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181. "also, I thought there was a technical error in that whole scene."
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she cut loose the horses and they start to scatter in the the commotion, but then MOMENTS after this chase Littlefinger and the squad roll thru on their horses (let alone that the dudes who chased Brienne and Podrick were on their horses QUICK).

all that is to cosign your point that i didn't really like the whole Brienne and Podrick storyline this episode (or last).

  

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172. "My Ep 2 takes (as if you care)."
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- shame on ya if you didn't see Jon Snow becoming the commander of the Night's Watch. it will be interesting now if as commander, he can get the Wildlings to fight for Stannis. Snow is the most natural leader in the realm, and I won't be shocked when it's revealed * POSSIBLE SPOILER I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE SO DON'T SHOOT ME IF IT IS YOU CAN STOP READING IF NEEDED * that he is somehow of the bloodline of the Targaryen/Baratheon/etc. families who can lay claim to the throne and that he is one day the king.

- Arya is likely going to get the training she needs to make good on some if not all of her list.

- what was most fascinating to me is where Daenerys is going. i think it's interesting because we know she's the Mad King's daughter, and who know if his madness will be inherited but we did see some faulty decision making. also, Varys seems to think she's got next and will make the best ruler, but she is obviously struggling with her role of ruling Mereen, AND she seems to not have much pull with her trump card - her dragons. 2 are locked up and pissed at her, and the other one is loose and while it seems like they have a connection, Drogon is like i gotta go out in the world and be me. so right now i feel like maybe Daenerys isn't the ONE we all think she was gonna be. but, alert, there is a twist...we did see Varys and Tyriann discussing how they could never be rulers, but how much Tyriann enjoyed being in power even in a subordinate role and this is where it gets interesting because can Daenerys be the star QB and Tyriann the coach that leads them to that title? She's lost now but he could have his power and use his smarts just like he did as the king's hand to make it all good.

- the rest of the episode i didn't care too much for. Jamie and Bronn going off to protect the Lannister girl? meh. Brienne chasing after Sansa to fulfill her oath to Lady Stark? meh.

  

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173. "Wait wait wait...."
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you're telling me you didn't enjoy Brienne causing a ruckus for no apparent reason then ditching her pursuers in similarly questionable fashion?

Yeah, not sure where they're going with that one either. Why did she needlessly start shit when given an invite to dine? I understand being wary, but it's one thing to get outta there and another to KILL MOTHERFUCKERS.

  

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174. "some people are Brienne fans, some are not."
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i'm very lukewarm on that character.

also, she just killed like 4 people so there's gotta be some consequence for that. seems like deciding to follow people whose confederates she just killed is pretty dumb.

  

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183. "she's co-dependent as fuck"
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she's just dying to be needed by somebody

which goes back to why she needs a cat

  

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184. "her best stuff was when she was traveling with Jaime."
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people love an unlikely love story, plus she was able to bounce some good stuff off Jaime being Jaime.

once that ended, i was fine without hearing more from her. her pursuit of the Stark girls was only interesting in respect of the fact that she would have to cross paths with the Hound.

  

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186. "agreed"
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though i assume she's probably gonna come in handy for Sansa at some point

  

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254. "shes gotta be the one that puts a sword through ramsey"
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shes like all that is "Right" and he is all that is "Wrong"

  

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175. "It ain't gon be Dany. It'll prolly be Snow w/his lil' bro controlling th..."
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Tyrione (remember lil' Ty-Ty showed Jon love) will probably end up being The Hand after all.

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176. "on: the dragons"
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Listening to Grantland's Watch the Thrones podcast last week, book reader Jason Concepcion noted that it's never been made clear how the old blood tangled their dragons, and however the dragons were tamed is essentially lost to history.

I inferred from that final scene with Drogon that the key is to let them out of their cage, be free, that old quote about letting butterflies fly away. Those dragons need time to spread their wings, explore the world and eat whatever the hell they'd like.

The question is, can Dany handle that? Her happiest dragon is out there making her constituents' lives a living hell, but does she need to let the other two do the same if she's to use them in her wars? What if they spend a year in freedom and then come back ready to charge for House Targaryen?

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177. "Jason Concepcion is the shit."
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His "Ask the Maester" column on Grantland every Tuesday is the only must-read column to me for GoT.

And that's a solid interpretation of that scene with Drogon... I've been wondering what the point of that scene was myself.

  

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200. "Ask The Maester this week...."
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some great background info on Braavos and the culture of Dorne:

http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/ask-the-maester-game-of-thrones-week-2/

Column is designed for non-book readers, so no need to worry about those types of spoilers (obviously make sure you're caught up on the show though)

  

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207. "i formed a theory off something in this week's column.."
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but i don't know if it's sound because i can't remember the exact circumstances of Jaqen H'ghar and Arya's meeting.

someone asked in the column how could a shapeshifting badass like H'ghar have been caught and that it's always been speculated about with the idea that he's purposely showing up in Arya's life.

so my theory was that her sword teacher at King's Landing and H'ghar are the same person. i mean, i've always kind of thought that, but then I was thinking that Arya has Meryn Trant on her kill list, and he is one of the guys that her teacher was fighting off so that she could get away. could he then have let himself be captured once she had escaped and that's how he ended up locked up on the back of a cart in transport?

i can't quite recall the story of his arrest or where he was being taken from or to, so i could be totally wrong based on those factor, but it's an interesting theory.

  

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208. "That's a damn good theory."
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A lot of factors fit, and the fact that H'ghar was in captivity has always been a glaring "hole" in the storyline.

If we assume that to be the case, that then begs other questions... Why would Syrio/Jaqen see so much in Arya? How did Ned find him? And If Syrio really is the "best swordsman in Braavos", what does he care about the affairs of Westeros?

If that Syrio <--> Jaqen link is true, then what's Arya's endgame in all this?

  

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209. "That is actually a pretty common theory"
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210. "word. i figured i wasn't the only one who ever thought it..."
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it just kind of came to me as i was making breakfast this morning and i was like "ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh." lol.

  

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211. "It's new to me."
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And I've read way too many fan theories for my own good, hah.

  

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212. "yeah, i mentioned it last season"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=6&topic_id=670097&mesg_id=670097#677997

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271. "so i noticed a nod to this theory in last week's ep:"
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opening scene, arya and jaqen in the house of black and white

arya asks which of the idols represents the many-faced god ("i see the stranger, the drowned god, the weirwood face...")

jaqen: "there is only one god. a girl knows his name, and all men know his gift"

cut to dead body of the praying man from earlier in the scene

an obvious callback to syrio forel's famous line from S1 ("there is only one god and his name is death. and there is only one thing we say to death: not today")

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178. "interesting. "
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it's funny because let alone taming them, i was trying to figure out how they could even keep them captive w/out mad people getting killed. they were like large cat/small dog size when first born, now they are like the size of a flying african elephant. i was asking my wife how they hell they could even keep them chained because as they grow the chains have to become bigger/stronger and changing them chains out seems impossible, lol.

so yeah, the whole taming angle is interesting. you're probably right that she needs to let them out but her worry is hand in hand with her struggle of ruling over this large land.

  

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187. "I've come around on new Daario"
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i hated the actor switch at first, because original Daario was much more grimey. This dude's been pretty great tho.

  

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188. "He def shined this ep."
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190. "I still can't stand him"
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His style of acting sticks out to me. His delivery is way too modern.

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195. "that's how i felt about him all last season"
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i have zero problem with dude now

  

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197. "The original actor leaving still hurts my head."
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Not just because I still have to tell myself "Oh, that's Daario" whenever he comes on screen, but because dude left a safe role in at least another whole series and maybe more of one of the biggest TV shows in the world to make an almost-certain-to-be-shit film that even Jason Statham decided wasn't worth his time.

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198. "new daario is cool. old daario looked untrustworthy."
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250. "thats how daario should look, im ok with the new one but the"
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old one was perfect

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201. "Its literally a different character. I like grimey shit eating grin Daa..."
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>i hated the actor switch at first, because original Daario
>was much more grimey. This dude's been pretty great tho.

What's jarring is that the actor is playing the role pretty differently; he's sly but he's also MUCH more clean cut and like you said less grimey.

  

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199. "Here for Arya"
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and more arya

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202. "any weekly recaps / podcasts to recommend?"
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looking for some good ones (already know about grantland + EW)

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205. "RE: any weekly recaps / podcasts to recommend?"
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A Cast Of Kings is really good. And the Bald Move podcast network has it's Game Of Thrones pod which is my favorite. They do a quick ep after each episode, then every Tursday a full recap, and Friday they do a spoiler podcast. It's pretty comprehensive.

  

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206. "Grantland's "Watch the Thrones""
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217. "Littlefinger still pimping. Aint shit changed but the address."
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sansa's so dumb lmao.

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219. "Give her some credit..."
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this is the same episode where someone else says "keep your enemies close..."

  

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222. "I agree on both but especially this right here"
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>sansa's so dumb lmao.

She continues to get played and put in bad situations. Instead of being a prisoner of Kings Landing, she will be a prisoner in her own house of Winterfell.

The only thing that might save her is her people will not allow a Stark to be disrespected.

  

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229. "Sounds like an upgrade to me"
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335. "Keep in mind that Stannis is coming for that ass soon"
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and I think she is going to play a key part in the Bolton's finally getting their just due.

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218. "The North Remembers!!!"
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Got chills when the maid said that!

Sansa stupid...but that look she gave Roose before she said Hello was colder than a white walkers toenails.

Also loved that head knod Stannis gave Jon after the beheading.

  

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220. "I feel for Sansa though. Ramsey is as evil as Joffrey, but not a pussy"
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I mean, i guess he's more evil, but possibly won't personally put her through the hell that Joffrey did. Part of the reason Joffrey tortured Sansa as much as he did was to compensate for her seeing him cower to her little sister.

I guess Brienne may come in handy after all.

>Also loved that head knod Stannis gave Jon after the
>beheading.

Yeah, that was great. and speaking of pussies. It almost seemed like Jon was ready to give Janos Slynt a pass but was disgusted by just how much of a bitch he was. Not only could he not be trusted, but he's completely useless.

  

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230. "Mostly feels like he did it out of duty and to prove his leadership"
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>Yeah, that was great. and speaking of pussies. It almost
>seemed like Jon was ready to give Janos Slynt a pass but was
>disgusted by just how much of a bitch he was. Not only could
>he not be trusted, but he's completely useless.
>

I don't think think he wanted to kill the guy or did it for any reason other than that's what a good leader is supposed to do. That was all Ned in episode 1 right there.

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237. "First day on the job as boss and your subordinates are openly disobeying"
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Jon Snow knew enough that he couldn't let that stand. With winter coming the Wall can't support and feed any useless mouths at this point. Slynt over played his hand and had to go.

I enjoyed the head nod of approval from Stannis.

  

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221. "I do not like this Sansa storyline and I'm not buying it "
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So we get some more episodes of Sansa being tormented only this time she will be tormented by Ramsay and his crazy side piece who is already jealous of Sansa.

I hope LF was joking when he said he didn't know much about Ramsay, for a man like LF to pride himself on information and doing his homework on everyone in 7 kingdoms he should know about Boltons bastard and Ramsays reputation for torture.

I guess we get Sansa in distress who will then be saved by a combination of Brienne and a redeeming self sacrifice from Reek who in a moment of pride finally remembers he is Theon Greyjoy and saves Sansa.

This will also blowup in LFs face as Sansa will blame him for making her marry a crazy psychopath.

If LF wants the North and its loyalty against Kings Landing and the Lannisters, he should have just propped up Sansa to the lords in the north and let them defeat the Boltons and kick them out of Winterfell. The Boltons have nothing else left to gain, they have hit their ceiling as wards of the north so they are not going to back LFs play for the Iron Throne.

  

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223. "for everyone shitting on Sansa, what was she supposed to do?"
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Littlefinger was never going to turn around like he pretended to offer. He was just gonna press her harder, and if that doesn't work, he was just gonna force her.

The handmaiden's comment made me feel like this won't be a repeat of what happened before (new Joffrey, new Lysa). It could start off that way, but I think she's gonna start realizing her power and influence in the north pretty quickly. She also has a powerful far away friend in the new queen, and some possible muscle close by. I'm interested to see if she'll step up.

That said, this is GoT, so they may just kill her next week.

  

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224. "That far away queen has her own issues and internal politics to fight"
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Not to mention that the new queen can't help someone who is accused of being an accomplice in killing her first husband and King Joffrey.

She should have called LFs bluff and had him turn around or flex her muscle and have LF back her as she rallied support among the Lords of the North.

Hopefully she is able to stand up for herself and push back against the Boltons and is able to extract some vengeance against the Boltons.

  

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226. "there's no way he was turning around. "
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whether or not she knew that, i don't know, but I assume she had some idea of her lack of any real choice.

>or
>flex her muscle and have LF back her as she rallied support
>among the Lords of the North.

She has a much better chance biding her time, and playing the Stark card from where she is now then she would ever have running around with Littlfinger. I mean, LF is advising her do the same thing.. he just wants to pull her strings while she does it.

>Not to mention that the new queen can't help someone who is
>accused of being an accomplice in killing her first husband
>and King Joffrey.

True point.

>Hopefully she is able to stand up for herself and push back
>against the Boltons and is able to extract some vengeance
>against the Boltons.

I'm interested to see how it plays out, and how the North even publicly reacts to their alliance, given what the Bolton's have done to her fam.

  

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227. "You're right that LF wouldn't have turned around but at least then "
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Sansa would have known that LF is a only interested in himself and does not care about her. Although, once Sansa realizes how much of a lunatic Ramsay is, she will probably no longer trust LF as she will assume LF knew that Ramsay was a psychopath and blame LF for whatever trauma she is about to go through.

If Sansa somehow survives this marriage and is able to get revenge against the Boltons and retakes Winterfell. LF will probably have lost Sansas support and perhaps have created an enemy.

  

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231. "Naw this is the new & improved Sansa. she is doing the torturing. "
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This won't be a rehash of the Joffrey story line if I am guessing correctly. Sansa has been through the fire and now knows how to play the game.

Also Ramsey though as twisted as Jeffrey isn't nearly as powerful or entitled as Joffrey. I think he is genuinely intimidated by Sansa.

We are in Sansa's old home turf with a family that can barely hold it. This story line is getting interesting to me.



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238. "We will see, she is still surrounded by soldiers loyal to Bolton"
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But at least now she is also surrounded by her people who will want to support and protect her.

I feel like Sansas first true test, as well as Ramsey's will come from Ramsey's crazy side piece. Crazy side piece did not look happy with Sansas arrival to Winterfell and we already know she is the jealous type. If crazy side piece does something to physically hurt Sansa and Sansa doesn't do anything about it or if Ramsey stops Sansa from doing something will tell us a lot of whether Sansa has any real power.

  

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240. "Yup. This is going to be her redemption."
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At least the way its looking. She ain't gonna fall for the same tricks, and she's got a nation of people under her willing to run an insurrection.

Its interesting to see how this episode was about women angling/working their way on a road to power.

>This won't be a rehash of the Joffrey story line if I am
>guessing correctly. Sansa has been through the fire and now
>knows how to play the game.
>
>Also Ramsey though as twisted as Jeffrey isn't nearly as
>powerful or entitled as Joffrey. I think he is genuinely
>intimidated by Sansa.
>
>We are in Sansa's old home turf with a family that can barely
>hold it. This story line is getting interesting to me.
>
>
>
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>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>
>"One of the most important things in life is what Judge
>Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to
>whether you're

  

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242. "RE: You're right that LF wouldn't have turned around but at least then "
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>Sansa would have known that LF is a only interested in
>himself and does not care about her. Although, once Sansa
>realizes how much of a lunatic Ramsay is, she will probably no
>longer trust LF as she will assume LF knew that Ramsay was a
>psychopath and blame LF for whatever trauma she is about to go
>through.
>
>If Sansa somehow survives this marriage and is able to get
>revenge against the Boltons and retakes Winterfell. LF will
>probably have lost Sansas support and perhaps have created an
>enemy.

Some assume she trusts LF, She doesn't. I think she's just playing her position until she figures out her next best move.

  

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225. "Margaery's shade game is unfuckwitable"
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Goddamn. I find her so ridiculously sexy, I have to do my googles on her every time finish an episode.

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228. "she's a goddamn all-pro"
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the "what do i call you now?", the granny comments. she's amazing at ripping Cersei apart in the warmest way imaginable.

now it seems Cersei is trying to take the 'kill em with kindness' approach as well, but you can almost feel her face hurt from pretending to be anything short of an evil cunt

>Goddamn. I find her so ridiculously sexy, I have to do my
>googles on her every time finish an episode.

those eyes, man

  

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232. "How bout "we would offering YOU wine but WE don't drink this early""
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Margery should be careful though. I get the feeling she is going to overplay her hand.

Cersei showing some smart. Seems like she is going to build her power base in religion now.


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239. "I agree with both of those opinions"
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Margeary better be careful going forward because Cersei is back into a corner.

Cersei is going to align herself with the High Sparrow.

  

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249. "Yo, I *almost* felt bad for Cersei!!!"
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>now it seems Cersei is trying to take the 'kill em with
>kindness' approach as well, but you can almost feel her face
>hurt from pretending to be anything short of an evil cunt

Almost. But then she spoke, and the way she speaks makes me wanna do her face like Mountain did Oberyn.

>>Goddamn. I find her so ridiculously sexy, I have to do my
>>googles on her every time finish an episode.
>
>those eyes, man

The eyes. That mouth when she does that saucy smirk. Her cheeks. Her voice. Her soul. Her everything!

I'm smitten lol

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234. "between her trolling and tommen telling mommy to gtfo"
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cersei is gonna catch a body this season i bet.

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255. "she was taught by the baddest bitch in all 7 kingdoms"
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the only person that could equal tywin's personality

  

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233. "Anyone get Jesus-y vibes with the High Sparrow?"
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A love and selflessness religion that is usurping the govt.'s official religion?

I wouldn't be surprised if Cersei converts.


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245. "I got more of a Pope Francis vibe"
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>A love and selflessness religion that is usurping the govt.'s
>official religion?

He isn't trying to usurp the official religion and isn't practicing a new religion, as he still worships the 7. The High Sparrow is trying to reform the church and actually apply its teachings to help the poor and powerless. He is more of a Martin Luther figure than Jesus.

>I wouldn't be surprised if Cersei converts.

She doesn't seem like the religious type. She will use religion to help her position of power and eliminate her enemies but just because she like to drink wine doesn't mean she is coming to church on Sunday's.

  

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246. "Well yeah that's my point. To convert for power purposes. "
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>>I wouldn't be surprised if Cersei converts.
>
>She doesn't seem like the religious type. She will use
>religion to help her position of power and eliminate her
>enemies but just because she like to drink wine doesn't mean
>she is coming to church on Sunday's.

I mean do you think Emperor Constantine I converted because he just got that good feeling in church one day?


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247. "What is she converting to? She already "practices" the same religion"
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As the High Sparrow. The High Sparrow isn't preaching a new religion, he is simply following what the religion preaches.

She practices the faith of the 7 new gods, or at least that's what she was raised in.

  

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235. "I'm starting to feel like Arya sweeping the floor "
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These storylines aren't nearly as captivating as they were in the past.

I think this is the unfortunate fate of killing off your best characters. As I mentioned earlier...Tywin, The Hound and Joffrey were historically great characters and their absence has left a void.

Arya's character and storyline has so much potential but they're giving that to us inch by inch.

A castrated and ineffectual Cersei is hard to watch. I get that she's no longer Queen but the change in demeanor is abrupt. It seems out of character for her to not go down swinging.

Brienne crying about boys not wanting to dance with her at the junior prom...stop it.

Sansa marrying the Bolton kid seems farcical.

Tyrion's current plot has nothing on the amazing drama that was his familial interactions and subsequent trial.

I still think Danaerys and Mereen has a good deal of interest. And I'm looking forward to what pops off in Dorne but right now this show has me a little bummed out. I guess that's part of the territory when the bar has been previously set so high.

  

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236. "Cersei isn't going down without a fight, she is just regrouping "
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It appears she is going to strike an alliance with the High Sparrow and have the religious zealots do her dirty work for her, hence the two pillars speech.

Cersei better tread lightly with the Sparrows because she has a lot of skeletons in her closet and her cousin who is a Sparrow now, knows most of them.

  

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241. "It's the third episode of the season...."
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there's still time.

The deaths of Joffrey and Tywin have shaken up the royal landscape so all the players are still figuring out where they fit in this new world.

Arya has a ways to go to become a "faceless man" so I'm excited to see it. I love training sequences in movies though, so I'm expecting a lot.

Cersei is still Cersei... the scheming is still there, she just no longer has the explicit power that comes with title. Some shit is going on with Qyburn and the High Sparrow though.

Brienne just got way more interesting to me. She has real purpose now, besides the whole "save the fair maidens" quest. It's a great bit of continuity going all the way back to S1 with Renly's death.

The thing about Sansa that others have alluded to and some seem to have missed... she's still a pawn, yes, but that Stark name carries far, far more weight in the North than it did at King's Landing. The key difference between marrying Joffrey vs marrying Ramsay is that she now has *leverage*. And Roose is taking away Ramsay's greatest joy.... his cruelty.

And Tyrion going to Daenerys is matching maybe Westeros' best mind with the show's most devastating army... with both having the desire to fuck over those in power.

It's only the third episode... no need to be bummed out just yet

  

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243. "eh it's essentially a soft reboot right now."
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it's the new guards time to shine and grow. patience.

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244. "i actually liked this episode"
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but yes because its been feeling like spinning wheels for me for a min


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251. "Japanese Game of Thrones Book Covers"
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No spoilers, just images... fresh take on the characters

http://imgur.com/a/Lu29f

  

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252. "reminds me of araki, miura and amano art for some reason."
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a weird mix of jojo bizarre adventure, berserk and old final fantasy.

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253. "What about Jorah and Tyrion?"
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I'm confused, is Jorah taking Tyrion to Daenerys or back to King's Landing?

  

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256. "i think thats by design"
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although my gut tells me hes going to kings landing

  

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258. "Same here"
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> although my gut tells me hes going to kings landing

Mainly because it seems like the worst place for him to be and they never make it easy for Tyrion.

  

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261. "well i cant connect why he would"
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recognize tyrion and decide he needs to be taken to dany... what benefit can he be (from his point of view)

but theres all kinds of upside to returning tyrion to cerci,
plus with the added fact that AFAIK he has no idea whats been happening in kings landing so theres a good chance that he belives cerci is still the queen

  

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262. "Volantis is one of the free cities.."
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and a major trade port. While they wouldn't necessarily know the nitty gritty, its reasonable to assume they know major events, like The Red Wedding or Joffs death (along with Tommen's succession).

  

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263. "hmm curious then"
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its intriguing that he said queen specifically

  

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264. "Like you noted, I think its by design."
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Very well done too, in fact. I'm consistently impressed with how well the showrunners have weaved such complex storylines.

  

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323. "ah hah!"
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257. "to Dany"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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259. "I really hope so, but that sounds too much like right"
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I know Jorah is thirsty enough to do anything to get back in her good graces, but it doesn't seem like it's enough.

  

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260. "Pretty sure he's going to King's Landing. "
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Dany doesn't trust him and I'm not sure what bringing her Tyrion would do. It's not like she knows Tyrion or is expecting him, I don't see how that gets Jorah back in her good graces.

At this point he's like fuck it, might as well go where he'll be wanted and get in good with the Lannisters.

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265. "I can't figure out what Dany would want with Tyrian."
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I know she needs someone like him, but how would she know that. "Dear Khaleesi, as proof of my undying loyalty to you, I bring you this random dwarf who you never met, but I assure you he is going to help you make much better decisions."

Yeah that should go well lol

(Unless does he think she'll see that Jora could have returned Tyrian to King's Landing and opted not to, and that's proof of his lack of allegiance to them? Does she think a Lanister hostage would be valuable? What kind of proof would she have that he is really who Jora says he is?)

  

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266. "Jorah is taking him to Dany"
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The Lannisters are directly responsible for the death of her father, aunt, nephew, and niece. Jorah is taking him to Dany so that she might have some vengeance against the Lannisters.

Jorah doesn't recognize Cersei or Margaery as the queen, Dany is his one and only queen.

  

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267. "^^ this"
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Of course Jorah will recognise Tyrion... the Mormont's are, or at least were, a pretty big deal in Westeros and everyone's heard of "The Demon Monkey of Lannister" - if nothing else, he can assume that Tyrion is either a) Worth an assload of reward if returned to Cersei (if he knows about the bounty) or b) Worth an assload of reward/leverage as a hostage (if he doesn't know).

My guess is he'll take him to Dany to be used as a bargaining chip... but he'll prove himself more useful.

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268. "I can see this"
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>The Lannisters are directly responsible for the death of her
>father, aunt, nephew, and niece. Jorah is taking him to Dany
>so that she might have some vengeance against the Lannisters.
>
>Jorah doesn't recognize Cersei or Margaery as the queen, Dany
>is his one and only queen.

  

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269. "oh hell no!"
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270. "in wrestling we call that poor booking"
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B&W could've shot that fight scene way better to actually put over Harpy set but it just made Dany's crew look weak as fuck.

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275. "Man, I thought it was just me."
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>B&W could've shot that fight scene way better to actually put
>over Harpy set but it just made Dany's crew look weak as
>fuck.


The Unsullied looked like a bunch of bitches. If D don't unleash the fucking dragons on these motherfuckers.... maaaaaaan...

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279. "I think it would have come off better..."
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if they didn't square off before smoking the Unsullied. Knives from doorways, attacks in the dark, total chaos. Even when outnumbered, the Unsullied are supposed to be peerless in combat.

Normally their fight choreography is on point, but yeah this came off really clumsily.

  

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272. "Sons of Harpy > Sons of Anarchy"
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We had LittleFinger telling old school stories involving Sir Barristan, then him telling old school stories to Dany. You knew he was a gonner, but I'm glad we got to see Selmy finally live up to his rep before it was over.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/121206115756-harpys-la-gang-story-top.jpg

  

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311. "It was all over at "Sing a song for me""
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Not often that GoT has telegraphed it that badly...

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273. "this might be my least favorite episode of GOT ever."
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nothing REALLY happened, but you the Tyrell's taking L's which I hate.

the Sand Snakes scene? overly dramatic.

that last scene with Greyworm? c'mon dog...did we really need the superhero music when Barristan Selmy showed up?

SMH.

get it together GOT.

  

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274. "Yeah, Whale Rider was kinda terrible in that Sand a Snakes scene."
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Oberyn's girlfriend is even worse. Terrible acting.
Barriston did his thing, and it makes sense for him to bow out now with Tyrion coming.
Sparrows running wild, Cersei done fucked up.
Jon Snow is out of his wildling lovin' mind. He should've been all over that!
Nice Stannis moment, I'm feeling him more and more.

  

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276. "Melisandre has some Grade-A tittays..."
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>Jon Snow is out of his wildling lovin' mind. He should've been all over that!

  

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288. "She really, really does."
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And she ain't shy about them

  

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302. "they're fucking heavenly"
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280. "nah snowman gotta stay clean."
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she too demonic w/ it.

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281. "Questions about the red woman"
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she needs someone with king's blood to skeet inside her so she can give birth to a smoke demon right?

and that curse in the fire with leeches from last season, it was Joffrey, Robb, and who was the third?

  

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287. "Balon Greyjoy."
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Theon's dad, "King" of the Iron Isles.

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278. "That last seen with the Sons of the Harpy was wack..."
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Why are they an army now?
How are they taking out like a whole regiment of unsullied with just knives?
They sneak up on people and kill them, one at a time.
That makes sense.
Fighting as a group, against a group of unsullied does not make sense.
They would be identified by the dead bodies, defeating the whole purpose of being secretive.
Dumb.

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289. "Good catch..."
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>They would be identified by the dead bodies, defeating the
>whole purpose of being secretive.
>Dumb.


Really sloppy oversight on the showrunners' part

  

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312. ""Angry snakes lash out, makes chopping off their heads that much easier""
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Aside from the higher-than-ideal Unsullied toll, I think this is exactly what Dany was trying to incite.

She's got 8,000 unsullied and, what, 15 died?

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277. "Couldn't have Sansa showed up to Winterfell *after* "
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Stannis does his thing? She becomes Wardeness of the North just the same minus the impending Ramsay torturings.

Bronn's face is extra heavy on the make-up...kinda bugging me out.

Why isn't Bran included this season?

An episode without Arya frustrates me greatly. They're moving slow as fuck with that story line.

  

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282. "No Bran cuz he's just training to increase his powers"
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He'll be back next season to (I think) warg dragons and shit.

  

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284. "RE: Couldn't have Sansa showed up to Winterfell *after* "
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This is what bothers me so much about LFs "plan".

  

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290. "I could be wrong in my analysis...."
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but I think the timing was important. LF needed to "align" himself and Sansa with the Boltons BEFORE Stannis hits, otherwise Sansa wouldn't be Wardeness of the North.

Otherwise, if Stannis hits first then King's Landing doesn't have to appoint Sansa as Wardeness (and they wouldn't, with Cersei at the helm) and LF is then very clearly aligned with Stannis (and an enemy of the sitting king).

However, with this sequence, LF is still aligned with the throne should his expected alliance with Stannis fall apart. Since he's a gambling man, he's basically hedging his bet.



I think this makes sense.

  

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291. "This is the best explanation for why LF did not what he did"
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>However, with this sequence, LF is still aligned with the
>throne should his expected alliance with Stannis fall apart.
>Since he's a gambling man, he's basically hedging his bet.

LF is hedging his bets. If LF wanted to increase Stannis's position and chances of winning Winterfell he could have just taken Sansa directly to Stannis. The North Remembers and would have rallied around Sansa and sent bannermen to help Stannis defeat the Boltons. However, if Stannis/Sansa somehow lost to the Boltons, LF wouldn't have the Boltons future support.

  

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294. "makes sense"
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though I'm not sure why Stannis would need/want Cersie's approval to hand Winterfell over to Sansa

  

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296. "If Stannis wins..."
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he'd view it as his own kingly authority in appointing her.

Cersei would certainly not approve, but if Stannis has the support of the Vale in marching on King's Landing, then her approval won't matter...

  

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295. "Bran can stay away. That story bored the piss out of me"
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I think I read somewhere that they won't be in this season tho

  

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283. "So that final scene had to be a set up.."
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Good money on Danny's local advisor on slave masters.

And the small council is smaller. LOL

Armed religious zealots bringing justice. So appropriate. Cersei really is dangerous. Still.

Hoping the dorne stuff gets better..that was some clunky exposition.

Cooper and Darnell!

On the "damn that's fucked up scale"..Jon asking roose bolton for help.

I want to know why melissandre is fucking with Jon since she only fucks royal blood, but then again I don't. No rabbit holes for me this season.




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285. "Cersei is desperate and she fucked up arming those zealots"
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Especially when one is her cousin who knows where all of her bodies are buried. She should have had her cousins Lancel killed before she armed the zealots. She can't control the High Sparrow like she thinks she can and his militants don't answer to her.

  

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318. "yep"
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...and she's so scared of the tyrells that she's pushing away the main people who could help her if this gets outta hand....

...thanks goodness Tommen isn't as dumb as Joffery, who would have happily killed them folks in the sept....dude really neds his great uncle's help...i felt bad bad for him trying to explain what happened....

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319. "and this would have been bad, why?"
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>...thanks goodness Tommen isn't as dumb as Joffery, who would
>have happily killed them folks in the sept..

  

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320. "i guess because it might have meant certain death for Loras"
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I was thinking the same thing at first. i bet even Mageary is thinking damn Joffrey would have just killed them all on the spot for me, but Joffrey was always so short sighted. Like yelling "kill them all!" when someone threw mud at him. That was just a mob of civilians. Tommen was in a much more volatile standoff, and he was smart enough (or maybe just scared enough.. i'm not sure he's all that bright either) to assess the situation, and conclude that they'll find another way.

  

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337. "Loras could already be dead. They could be actively torturing him"
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Loras was illegally apprehended by a bunch of nut jobs wreaking havoc in the capital

And Tommen made a public display of not being able to do a damn thing to stop it. Just about any alternative would've been better than that.

  

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286. "This whole Dorne story is boring and doesn't make any sense"
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Dudes girl wanting vengeance for his death in a trial by combat just seems stupid. The sand snakes don't seem particularly interesting or dangerous.

Jaime and Bronn going to save the princes seems like a suicide mission that is destined to fail.

  

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305. "yeah she acts like Oberyn got mugged or some shit"
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if she should be mad at anyone it should be him. he volunteered. he blew it.

  

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308. "Exactly, plus Tywin is dead and the mountain is basically dead"
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or some sort of zombie/Frankenstein mountain now. Getting revenge by killing Cerseis daughter seems hollow, especially after Oberyn has stated that Dorne doesn't kill women and children.

  

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292. "Yeah, not feeling this season at all."
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297. "We need a separate book reader's post. n/m"
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301. "I was tempted to make one last night/this morning"
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Because, not to sound bitter, I'm really, really disliking almost of all the choices they're making here.

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317. "DO IT"
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There's still time!!! So many fan theories to discuss, lol

And I'm not bitter really, as I think this will still be a great season, but I do agree that some of the choices are headscratchers.

  

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293. "A few observations"
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Im on the fence for this season but
but I feel like they're ratcheting up
for some real drama towards the end
so i'll be patient

anyway

Stannis as a loving father. Coulda swore dude was
one dimensional, great scene

I was hype to see Barriston brandish his sword.
70yr old man mortally wounded splitting niggas in half

GreyWorm was a beast even though he sooo little

Tyrion and Jorah on the boat and he establishes
Jorah's whole identity and FB Twitter timeline in less
than 2min w/ out Jorah sayin shit. Powers of perception
on Beast Mode

Sand snakes ... wack

Jon turnin down that crazy witch snapper only for her to look
back and say "You know nothing Jon Snow"
felt eerie there for sec

When was the last time we got 2 seperate and fairly
detailed Rhaegar mentions in one show??

Quite obvious the Sparrows in their fundamentalism
are gonna be Cersei's undoing. Just waiting for Cuzzo Lanister
to feel that righteous condemnation and expose the incest

In the next ep preview it looked like Ramsay was trying hit
Sansa :/ I hope Stannis come thru right before he does.
That dude deserves NO WINS. Pulling for Sansa right now

  

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298. "Agreed with everything here but it looked like Ramsay was hittin"
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the crazy eyed side piece and not Sansa.

The sand snakes are so lame and I am hating this whole Dorne storyline right now.

Cersei is going to be exposed by her cousin and put in chains by the Faith Militant.

Dany needs to feed the Sons of Harpy to her dragons, let them dragons loose to spread some fear into the population.

Two mentions of Rhaeger and one of Lyanna in one episode, plus Stannis mentioning that it wasn't Ned Starks way to sleep with some tavern whore? Hmmm, very interesting.

  

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310. "I forgot about Stannis comment "
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On Ned and his honorability
Thought it was interesting when LF and Sana
were in the catacombs and Sansa said Rhaegar
kidnapped Lyana and raped her
LF looked at her like he was disgusted that she believed
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336. "Yeah there are alot of things that dont add up"
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Rhaegar was shown as a pretty cool guy who was a hell of a warrior and liked to sing in one scene and a monster in the other. Nah B I think someone changed the story up to make him look like a bad guy so they could start that war.

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299. "My one beef with this episode..."
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Wassup with the Unsullied getting murked by those masked men?
Those dudes were trained fighters from BIRTH and are supposed to be big badasses. They were outnumbered but if the old man was able to take like 8 on his way out, they should have been able to win that fight.

  

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300. "i chalked up the easily ambushed part to their lack of fear"
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it's kind of a blind spot.
the rest.. they're trained as these cold killers who feel no pain, but they're not really battle tested. have they really ever done anything other than being tortured and trained to fight against each other? unless there's more to their backstory i can't remember

>Wassup with the Unsullied getting murked by those masked
>men?
>Those dudes were trained fighters from BIRTH and are supposed
>to be big badasses. They were outnumbered but if the old man
>was able to take like 8 on his way out, they should have been
>able to win that fight.

  

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314. "out on the field in a battle. they get murked."
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But in an obvious set up in alleys and tight spaces where they outnumber them like 8-1. They got a shot.

Which is why I think set up.

Also don't think they're meant to police the ccity it's a cluster fuck for the mother of dragons.
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315. "plus their only weapon is a long spear/shield"
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which is no use in close-quarter combat like that. You'd think Barristan would have trained them better for city patrol given all the time they've spend in Mereen.

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303. "so what happens when Cersei's new religous nut friends find out"
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about Tommen being born of incest?

have a feeling crazy doctor and Frankenstein Mountain are gonna come in handy by season's end.

Poor lil Tommen. he has zero hope without Tywin pulling his strings. Even uncle Kev could have easily handled this situation for him.

  

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304. "Tommen might just be softer than Season 1 Sansa Stark...which is a bad l..."
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309. "he's definitely nicer"
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sansa's soft but she had a snooty bitch side in the beginning that occasionally surfaces.

tommen's just an overall kind, sweet kid. and he doesn't seem to be all that intelligent either.

  

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313. "Nice, sweet, indecisive, well-meaning..."
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328. "W/a good Hand or Council he'd make a GREAT King."
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lol

too bad he ain't getting NONE of that.

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329. "he would have been the perfect puppet king for Tywin"
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easily manageable compared to Joffrey. Along with Margeary, putting a friendly, benevolent face on the realm, while Tywin runs things and does dirt behind the scenes.

  

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330. "Yup...the Lannisters dropped the ball at the 1 yard line "
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331. "well jaime lannister dropped the ball lol"
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306. "Don't they already "know"?"
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Isn't that what they were shouting at him when he went to visit the High Sparrow, just before he called off the guards?

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307. "true. i forgot about that"
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shit's all bad

  

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316. "calling him abomination and shit"
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Joffrey's death is gonna seem kind and humane compared to how Tommen's gonna go

  

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321. "Yeah...once you go "abomination"..."
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322. "Sand snakes scene - GOT worst of all time?"
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imo it's no contest wtf was that. The acting, the script/dialogue, the directing, wtf.

The actress with the spear how the hell did she get cast, just looked off and wrong before she opened her mouth and removed all doubt. Even the way she walked...

I actually thought this was a great episode not sure why the general hate, but this scene was really baffling


Also agree the way the SOHarpy massacre was shot in a way that betrayed all the mystique around the unsullied - way too easy how they went down except for grey worm


So I'll take it back just not a well directed episode

  

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324. "It looked like a GOT spoof. Very bad. "
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325. "And what sucks is they were supposed to be bad ass"
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>imo it's no contest wtf was that. The acting, the
>script/dialogue, the directing, wtf.

With how well they've casted and directed bad-ass women it was a bizarre flub, particularly considering how popular and how much of an impact they made on book readers when they got introduced.


>Also agree the way the SOHarpy massacre was shot in a way that
>betrayed all the mystique around the unsullied - way too easy
>how they went down except for grey worm

Yup. Like I said in another post, for dudes that have been trained to kill since they were 5, they should have won that fight or at least tied...the knight came in and took out EIGHT on his way out.

  

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326. "From what I've read..."
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both the writer and director for the episode are rookies to the GoT series.

  

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327. "Google map-y version of Westeros"
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http://i.imgur.com/rJd34hP.jpg

They need to add Westeros into Maps proper, so we can figure out how long it would take to go from King's Landing to Winterfell by horseback, cotdammit

  

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332. "I didn't realize Dorne was in Westeros. "
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334. "Yeah, Dorne and The Vale..."
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were basically untouched and uninvolved in the War of the Five Kings.

The Reach (where the Tyrells hail) was untouched, but they were obviously involved in the war.

  

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338. "I've got a mod for Crusader Kings II that's all of Westeros, Essos,"
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and the Summer and Bassilisk Isles.

I played as Robb Stark and I got a Summer Isle Prince to swear fealty to me, I used my army to conquer the Summer Isles, then used their armies to invade Westeros from the South...

Also I married Roselyn Frey right off the bat...not sure what the fuck Robb was thinking when he fucked that up.

  

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333. "Jaime's Indiana Jones save was pretty cool. Tyrion killed it."
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Hated the Unsullied fight like everyone else.

I was entertained by the rest of the episode though, actually probably one of the funniest episodes period. Tyrion sonned Jorah on that boat.

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339. "What the fuck, Sansa?"
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Myranda - "Hey, I know we just met, but you need to go down that dark tunnel, all the way to the end"

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340. "Yeah, that was weird...."
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especially since Ramsay put Reek through all that song and dance later.

So what was the point of that scene again, especially if Ramsay shows mercy then takes it away again?

http://img.pandawhale.com/67714-somethings-fucky-gif-Gah2.gif


  

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"Ramsay was trying to keep Reek a secret."


  

          

I guess he doesn't want his Bride-To-Be to know just yet that he's capable of creating such a creature from her childhood friend through extreme torture, even if Theon did "murder" her brothers.

Ramsay's main squeeze is pissed off that he's getting his head turned by Sansa and wanted to throw a spanner in the works by showing Sansa the real Ramsay. Maybe Sansa went down because she thought they might have Nymeria or Shaggydog in one of the kennels?

After Sansa had seen Reek, Ramsay had to rush to make it look like it was all done in the interest of the Starks (to punish and make a 'new man' of him) rather than just to satisfy his own sadistic libido.

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363. "Ramsay was trying to keep Reek a secret."
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I guess he doesn't want his Bride-To-Be to know just yet that he's capable of creating such a creature from her childhood friend through extreme torture, even if Theon did "murder" her brothers.

Ramsay's main squeeze is pissed off that he's getting his head turned by Sansa and wanted to throw a spanner in the works by showing Sansa the real Ramsay. Maybe Sansa went down because she thought they might have Nymeria or Shaggydog in one of the kennels?

After Sansa had seen Reek, Ramsay had to rush to make it look like it was all done in the interest of the Starks (to punish and make a 'new man' of him) rather than just to satisfy his own sadistic libido.

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368. "That's a damn good interpretation."
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It all makes sense... the start of the "rivalry" between the two girls is key to that scene.

  

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341. "curiosity?"
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speaking of which, will sansa be getting naked at any point?

  

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344. "To be fair"
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Sansa didn't know the girl was Ramsey's side chick. I was halfway expecting one of the direwolves to be in the dungeon when I heard all the growling to be completely honest. Did Sansa's direwolf get killed? Between the breaks in the show and reading all five books written so far, my memory for this show is completely scrambled at this point.

  

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345. "Lady was the first to get murked :("
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By Ned, no less, as punishment for Nymeria biting Joffrey.




Damn, that feels like such a long time ago.

  

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353. "Your memory is far superior than mine."
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You even remembered the names of the direwolves. The only event I remember from the books is the very very last major event that occurs at the end of the fifth and so far final book, and only because it was so major and somewhat surprising. Everything else is a complete blur to me.

  

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356. "I lurk in /r/asoiaf..."
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so I have plenty of opportunity to keep that memory fresh, hah.

  

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349. "response should have been "nah, i'm good" either way though"
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350. "That's what I thought too"
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>I was
>halfway expecting one of the direwolves to be in the dungeon
>when I heard all the growling to be completely honest.

I didn't even think of Theon/Reek.

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352. "i knew it would be Theon because that's where his sis found him"
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342. "Didn't Tyrion touch the Stone men as well?"
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Would be interested to see how Jorah rescued him...not sure how that would be possible.

Best episode of the season thus far but disappointed in no Arya.

Oh, and I have no idea what Danaerys marrying that Lionel Richie looking dude is about. I thought she gathered about the family leaders to gain more info on the whereabouts on the SOH.

  

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343. "Might've touched Tyrion's clothes but not his skin. "
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The stone man was dragging him down by his leg, but Jorah was wrestling with them. He was more susceptible I suppose. I don't think they'd have both get it.

I'm concerned about the Boltons outsmarting Stannis and his army. And surely Reek has got to help Sansa out in some way?

Hoping the Sand Snakes appearance next week is an improvement on their debut.

  

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346. "She's got to integrate herself into Mereen and be seen as one of them"
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Or they'll never ultimately follow her. This (and reopening the fighting pits) is her solution.

I do think she wanted to effectively intimidate him first, so he'd know his place in their relationship. Hence the dragons.

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348. "It's not often GoT reminds you of Black Dynamite"
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but the delivery of "but I'm the leader of my family" was very much "But Black Dynamite! I sell drugs to the community!"

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357. "holy shit it really did sound exactly like that"
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359. "Oh man, it really did"
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354. "except isn't Mereen a city divided between slaves and slave owners?"
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>Or they'll never ultimately follow her. This (and reopening
>the fighting pits) is her solution.

the dude she's marrying - he's part of the families of former slave owners or do I have that incorrect?

Just seems like she's allowing herself to be bullied instead of ruling by force.

Also, I'm wondering the significance of settling in Mereen. She's conquered several other cities and always moved on afterwards.

  

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355. "It was briefly touched upon in the show..."
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but it was mentioned that the other cities she liberated (Yunkai and Astapor) both fell back under military rule; IIRC, Yunkai by the former slaveowners and Astapor by "The Butcher King".

It was her inability to keep those cities free that she decided to stay in Meereen so she can learn to rule.

  

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361. "This would be a union between a (former) slaveowner and an"
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anti-slavery monarch.

I think the hope is that something like this will be able to bring the people of Mereen at least somewhat closer together towards reconciling.

Also, I don't see her as being bullied. She "proposed" to him (or rather, told him he'll marry her when he's in chains) and she seems to hold 100% of the power here.

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364. "She holds ALL the cards."
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The "on his knees" part of "luckily a suitor is already on his knees" was very deliberate.

And on your knees you'll stay.

I doubt he'll even be allowed to put the tip in.

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373. "bullying was not the right word. Acquiescing? "
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in any event, her actions are inconsistent.

She's fiercely opposed to slavery.

She initiated a violent revolt against the slave owners of Mereen ('Kill the Masters').

SOH (still not sure to the extent in which they're connected with the slave owners) killed one of her top men and she implicated the slave owners in his death by arbitrarily plucking one from the group to feed them to the dragons.

Then she relents on the issue of arena fighting and initiates a marriage w/a former slave owner? As far as fostering peace among Mereen...wouldn't this in fact be incredibly divisive considering X amount of the population are former slaves whom she rode for? Especially divisive coming off the heels of executing that other former slave from her council?

I'm sure there's a master plan buried in here somewhere, but at this moment marrying that dude doesn't make a lot of sense.

  

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347. "Old Valyria was fucking cool..."
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The whole scene. Knew something bad was going down. From drogon to the rescue.

If the greyscale doesn't drive jorah mad, dany marrying the meereenese dude will.

All that random Wildlings stuff paid off. I completely forgot that they sent olly to castle black as a messenger.

Stannis Baratheon - Grammar Police. I guess two seasons from that that conversation with Sam will be important.

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351. "I forgot that too."
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>I completely forgot
>that they sent olly to castle black as a messenger.
>

Like, no wonder he wet'd Ygritte. I didn't recognize him as I swear he grew like 5 inches between his introduction and the battle at Castle Black.

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358. "n/m"
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n/m

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360. "Heads already check the column..."
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but this week is of particular note because Concepcion breaks down the Doom of Valyria:

http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/ask-the-maester-the-doom-of-valyria-the-greatest-fighters-in-westeros-and-the-heartbreak-of-greyscale/

Great consolidation of Valyria backstory here, including a ton of stuff I never knew. Column is designed for non book readers looking for deeper info on the show.

  

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365. "I was trying to remember where Olly came from."
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Nice work.

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362. "Roose Bolton's nostalgia / Sansa's smirk"
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I know you don't think i care but, lemme tell you the story about how I raped your mom under her hanging dead husband, and she shows up with you 9 months later, like, it's yours.... i was gonna throw you in the ocean but then i looked at you. Aww

Also, Sansa's side smirk at Ramsey over that baby news was fantastic.

  

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366. "The bed scene between Grey Worm/Missendei was the most..."
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...cringe-inducing dumb shit ever. Yeah, ol' got great titties, but I have zero fucking interest in their doomed "love story."

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367. "It might be th first time i forwarded through a scene of this show"
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so bad

  

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369. "it's no worse than the sand snakes scene an episode ago"
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..at least IMO

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370. "Oh, it very much is."
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372. "Sandsnake thing didn't bother me as much as most people"
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it wasn't good, but it didn't necessarily bother me. and at least it was tied to a larger story.

but this shit... "me feel nothing... me feel something.. me scared, because me feel something". christ make it stop

  

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371. "'muted' it wasn't too bad. "
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I could watch Nathalie Emmanuel all day.


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374. "I'm getting a bad feeling about Ser Davos' prospects"
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Starting to think all the Shireen worry might be a curve ball - with Ser Friendzone getting the Valyrian Pox and more and more talk of the Stone Men, the way she survived might end up becoming very important. She's kind of playing Bran's role in the other supernatural storyline.

"When the battle comes, protect me"

She's not going to be able to protect him because she'll be at a safe distance from the battle. Ser Davos is brown bread and Shireen's going to assume the responsibility of avenging him somehow...

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375. "that was....really sad"
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....I knew it was coming sorta, but ......that hurt my soul a lil bit.....

Depressing episode LOL

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376. "I'm bout to go cry myself to sleep now"
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we saw a side of Sansa that we never saw before in the tub scene...unfortunately that bravery and confidence didn't really carry over into the wedding night.

i was praying that sansa was gonna pull a concealed dagger out from her dress or that Theon was gonna come to the rescue...but you know George R. Martin isn't kind enough for that

Stannis better come quick cause I don't know if I can handle watching that poor girl get raped and tortured for the remainder of the season.

  

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379. "Yeah man, this some disheartening shit."
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I didn't think she's fight back, even with the tub scene, but I really thought Theon would do something. Damn.

Sand Snakes and Dorne as a whole ain't working. Dude playing Tristaine is the most believable actor in that location.

Watching the Tyrells take more Ls was odd. Guess everyone gets dumped on at some point.

I dug Jorah and Tyrion, makes the former a more interesting character when paired with a more charismatic actor.

No Mereen, more Arya. Win, win.

  

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381. "RE: Yeah man, this some disheartening shit."
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>I didn't think she's fight back, even with the tub scene, but
>I really thought Theon would do something. Damn.


It was weird because Sansa acted surprised when Ramsey wanted to consummate the marriage. Especially given that Sansa showed that she had evolved emotionally and from an intelligence standpoint in the tub scene. She knows the game by now. Seems like the only 2 options were go in ready to fight or not agree to the marriage at all. She sort of seemed to have that opportunity at the wedding.

>Sand Snakes and Dorne as a whole ain't working. Dude playing
>Tristaine is the most believable actor in that location.

Everything about that scene was terrible. It's not worth listing it all.

>No Mereen, more Arya. Win, win.

House of Black and White is starting to get good.

  

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384. "RE: Yeah man, this some disheartening shit."
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>It was weird because Sansa acted surprised when Ramsey wanted
>to consummate the marriage. Especially given that Sansa showed
>that she had evolved emotionally and from an intelligence
>standpoint in the tub scene.

I think her surprise was more about the manner of how Ramsey acted about it. She already knew he was an asshole. The way he acted towards her in front of other people was just dick-ish. The consummation scene though, he told her in no uncertain terms that I am going to take what I want from you, I am going to torture you, and I am going to rape you.

  

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377. "Ramsay's gotta go"
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darkest timeline ever.

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378. "the whole sansa storyline is stupid"
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And it's only getting worse. This is a break from the books that had definitely been for the worse.

  

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380. "How deep is this Monk army though, really?"
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they can just take the Queen into custody and lock her up? I dunno bruh, they haven't given me enough reason to believe they are that thorough. Grandma Tyrell bout to sick the dogs on them.

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382. "It's getting difficult to understand who holds the power amongst "
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Tommen, Queen Margery, Cersei, and the high sparrow.

You would think Tommen or the Queen would be able to dead the nonsense rather easily. Which is why i didn't like that Tommen backed down when going to find the high sparrow.

  

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418. ""Power resides where men believe it resides""
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>Tommen, Queen Margery, Cersei, and the high sparrow.
>
>You would think Tommen or the Queen would be able to dead the
>nonsense rather easily. Which is why i didn't like that Tommen
>backed down when going to find the high sparrow.

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430. "or it resides with the most dudes with the most weaponry"
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cmon man. y'all keep hitting me w/these generalized credo's which really can't answer for the specifics we're discussing within the show.

  

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454. "That is probably the most important quote from the entire series."
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Almost everything comes back to that Varys riddle.

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386. "Excerpt from Ask the Maester a few weeks back:"
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http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/ask-the-maester-the-tale-of-brave-ser-barristan-the-faith-militant-and-the-fighting-harpies/

"The Faith Militant is a loose affiliation of religious fanatics who are pledged to protect the Faith. The Faith Militant is organized into two orders: the Poor Fellows, drawn from the peasantry, and the Warrior’s Sons, former nobles and landed knights (like Lancel Lannister) who gave up their worldly possessions to serve the Faith. They are somewhat analogous to the Knights Templar and Hospitaller of the Crusader age, acting as the sword arm for their religion."


The show hasn't really established just how much power they have, but it's reasonable to assume that they have the numbers and the motives (devout fanaticism) to carry out their intentions.

  

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Even when Margaery was calling out to Tommen, he didn't do squat.



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383. "RIP to my main man"
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Bronn I love you dog, but you let that girl cut you with that poisoned ax.

Its going to be painful too. THAT SUCKS!!

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388. "I was sad when I saw that swipe she took hit"
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Dude was a G til the end. hopefully they won't leave him to die in a dungeon, cause him and Jamie look like they could come out on top of this ordeal.

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385. "Yeah, so the Sansa scene was gratuitous"
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Coming out of lurking to break down why that rape just wasn't necessary, from a writing standpoint. On the one hand, this world is pretty brutal, there are no deus ex machinas or shortcuts out, etc., however there were at least 4 factions/storylines converging on helping out Sansa and her Ramsey situation. There's Stannis and his ARMY, there's Brianne, there's the NORTH, and there's Theon and his exponentially building guilt. All four of these were written as just too late to stop a rape. Fair, whatever, the good guys can't always get there in time.

But then, there's the issue of character. Santa has already been sent through the ringer throughout the show, and she was given some sort of transformation both by the ending of last season and in the scene with Ramsey's other girl. So do we really need rape to make her even steelier? Gross, right? Redundant victimization and development. Don't need it.

Ramsey has also already been shown to be hopelessly evil, with so many heinous acts under his belt. We would be able to assume how this scene would play out. Goes back to the idea of rape as a shortcut to let you know that this guy is REALLY evil, discussed re: The Walking Dead. So yeah, this makes him superlatively evil, but we already knew.

And again with Theon, we've seen him broken down completely. This guy's been messed up and loaded with aforementioned guilt concerning the Starks. Did he really need to watch this scene go down to finally turn against his keeper? He's screwed up, we get it.

So with all that it's the writers who just wanted to make this rape happen. It was avoidable and didn't do anything new for the characters. Gratuitous.

  

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387. "I don't disagree with the gratuitousness.."
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but note that this is basically a parallel with the Drogo and Daenerys pairing. Arranged marriages with wives taken more or less against their will.

We saw a spark of life from Sansa this episode... it's one thing if that's the only spark we see from Sansa this season, but there's still four more episodes to go.

It was an uncomfortable scene, but that's not unusual for this series.

> So do we really need rape to make her even steelier?

No, we don't "need" rape, I agree. But it is her wedding night... how much different were we going to expect? We know she's a virgin. We know Ramsay's depraved. You claim her torture is "redundant" but this is the first time Sansa was actually *physically* brutalized... the show pointed out that fact when Sansa said Tyrion was "gentle" to her.

It's gratuitous, yes... but well within the context of the situation.

> Did he really need to watch this scene go down to finally turn against his keeper?

I could be wrong, but IIRC this is the first time his torture has been involved with someone other than himself (notable considering Sansa's ties with his old life).

Like with Sansa, the pain is especially deep because this cut has never been made before.

> It was avoidable and didn't do anything new for the characters

I respectfully disagree. The parallels between Sansa and Theon are the point of that scene. Up until this point Theon's torture originated from threat of physical pain and Sansa's torture has been threat of emotional pain... with that one scene their pain is complete.

  

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389. "I agree with this"
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390. "RE: I don't disagree with the gratuitousness.."
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Good point that Sansa and Theon's suites of abuse are now complete. Within a world as tough as GoT, I guess it can be reconciled in that way. Both depravity and the ability to take that depravity are almost boundless, which just gets a little exhausting sometimes.

  

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391. "Agreed, it's draining to watch sometimes."
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I'm just glad they kept the ugliness off-screen.

  

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392. "I think it also becomes a bit exhausting when you feel like"
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It ALWAYS happens to the "good" guys so people that morally you feel don't deserve these sorts of things to happen to them are consistently brutalized.

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393. "These were all good points"
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But that scene really did seem gratuitous.

I don't think this show is in Mark Millar "you know what would be good? If we had a female character get raped right now" territory, but this is getting disturbing to watch for reasons beyond the story.

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397. "But she has been brutalized "
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" You claim her torture is "redundant" but this is the first time Sansa was actually *physically* brutalized... the show pointed out that fact when Sansa said Tyrion was "gentle" to her."

Sansa was beaten repeatedly by Joffrey's knights. She was hit in the face and stripped of her clothing and mauled and almost raped by a mob. Not to mention having Littlefinger and now Ramsay grabbing her by the face and kissing her on the mouth. She's been abused by creeps since the second season and we're still going through this bullshit. Did her character change or no? They have not been consistent with her story. The scene was upsetting enough. Then we had to watch Theon cry about it. The only way to atone for this scene was for Sansa to be playing both those dudes the whole time.


  

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400. "Context matters."
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There's an ocean of difference between getting slapped for insolence versus getting raped (especially as a virgin).

Getting slapped around and stripped of clothing also doesn't hold a candle to the emotional anguish she's endured... seeing her father die, hearing about her younger brothers being burned alive, hearing about her mother and brother being betrayed by their own men. Even the indignity of having to marry The Imp isn't on the same level as a sting on the cheek.

> Did her character change or no?

We see that it did, with her scene with Myranda earlier in the episode. And even earlier, when she dressed all in black at the end of last season.

> They have not been consistent with her story

I actually feel they have been. But we'll need next episode to see how the "new" Sansa responds to this new trauma.

> Then we had to watch Theon cry about it.

Right, because he's experiencing a similar level of trauma as Sansa, just on the emotional level. And to be perfectly frank, I'd rather watch Theon cry about it than watch Ramsay have his way with Sansa.

> The only way to atone for this scene was for Sansa to be playing both those dudes the whole time.

Fair enough, but we have to wait and see till next week right?

  

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394. "Respectfully, I find all of this to be an oversimplification."
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So do we
>really need rape to make her even steelier? Gross, right?
>Redundant victimization and development. Don't need it.

I don't think it's redundant at all.

I also find assholish marriage consummation with the savvy older Sansa far less gross than, say, the murder of the father in front of naive younger Sansa and the subsequent forcing her to stare at his rotting head on a pike, but all of the thinkpieces tell me that *this* is the worst thing the show has ever done to anyone, so maybe I'm the weird one for feeling like the loss of physical innocence maybe won't impact her the way the loss of actual innocence will.

>Ramsey has also already been shown to be hopelessly evil, with
>so many heinous acts under his belt. We would be able to
>assume how this scene would play out.

You know who else had an idea that this scene would probably be unpleasant? Sansa, when she agreed to go to Winterfell to marry one of the fucked-up murderous Boltons. But she did it anyway, because she's intentionally trying to get close. (She probably didn't know it would play out like *that,* obviously. But, again, this isn't naive Sansa. Not anymore. She knew she was going to end up fucking an unpleasant man.)

Goes back to the idea of
>rape as a shortcut to let you know that this guy is REALLY
>evil, discussed re: The Walking Dead. So yeah, this makes him
>superlatively evil, but we already knew.

Nah, on The Walking Dead it serves that purpose, but the three big rapes on this show as I see them-- Khal/Dany, Jamie/Cersei, and this-- are all waaaaaay more complicated in terms of how the rapes serve the story. It's never just "this guy is evil! this girl is powerless!" like on many shows/movies. That's a discredit to the writers of this show, who are far from lazy. These are actions with complicated origins and complicated consequences.

>And again with Theon, we've seen him broken down completely.
>This guy's been messed up and loaded with aforementioned guilt
>concerning the Starks. Did he really need to watch this scene
>go down to finally turn against his keeper? He's screwed up,
>we get it.

This is a guy who had his dick chopped off and is living in literal shit. He hasn't snapped back to reality due to those things... so he needed something *reeeeeeeally* bad to happen to wake his ass up. Again, the thinkpieces may call this "lazy," but if Theon's character arc this season is to wake the fuck up, and the ongoing torture that is his life isn't enough, then you *do* need something extreme. It makes complete sense for his story and for Sansa's. (And also for Ramsey's, because, while I have no idea where this story goes, it continues to show just how untouchable he feels, which ultimately will serve as his downfall, even if it's not at the hands of Theon or Sansa. Dude is way smarter than Joffrey, which will make him way harder to manipulate... but his lust for control and power will have consequences, probably sooner rather than later.)

>So with all that it's the writers who just wanted to make this
>rape happen. It was avoidable and didn't do anything new for
>the characters. Gratuitous.

It wasn't, really. Sansa required the marriage to happen. Marriages require consummation. Theon required a reason to wake the fuck up.

*Maybe* you could've had Theon wake up before he starts actually raping her and kill Ramsey on the spot... but there's an actual war coming in the next episode or two, and Ramsey has a large role to play in that conflict, so ditching Ramsey before the fight for Winterfell doesn't make a ton of sense dramatically.

I just think people are exhausted by seeing rape at this point, which I *totally get,* and they watched Sansa grow up, so it's upsetting, which I *totally get.* I found it to be immensely disturbing. But, again, maybe I just read Sansa's moves post-Vail as smarter, more cunning than others do. I think she took Littlefinger's speech to heart and she's legitimately acting with agency, with an end goal.

Maybe if you think she's still just an innocent victim who isn't bright enough to avoid being manipulated by evil men, you'd think this is the worst thing that's ever happened on the show and a completely unnecessary step. I see it instead as a compellingly complicated turn of events. What if Ramsey had (weird turn of phrase approaching) *just* had unpleasant sex with her? Would that have kept Theon at bay, would it have kept her revenge timeline on "slow cook"? There were plenty of ways that Ramsey could have approached this wedding in general that would've been *hugely* beneficial to him, but he keeps taking that extra step to revel in sadism. Bolton's speech in that first scene in Winterfell after he skinned those people about learning how to behave to become a leader-- that concept *still* eludes him. He doesn't know how to play the game. And despite Sansa being the victim in this scene... she *does* know how to play, and Ramsey may just have unknowingly put a major wild card in Theon directly into her hands.

Anyway. I'm just rambling about the complications I enjoy on this show at this point. I just don't find it nearly as simplistic as you do (though, to be fair, there are many many thinkpieces being put out right now that agree with you 100%, so perhaps I'm in the minority here.)

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395. "Damn. Well said. "
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I was going to refrain from commenting on this episode due to that scene.

A lot of bad shit happens on this show from week to week. To a lot of people.
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396. "that scene was definitely not the most barbaric of the series"
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Red Wedding and Ned's execution were far worse but they also accomplished far more in terms of storyline and surprise.

I see what you're saying about Sansa taking Littlefinger's speech to heart but honestly I'm still not understanding why Sansa agreeing to go along with Littlefinger's convoluted plan is helping her in the long run.

  

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398. "RE: that scene was definitely not the most barbaric of the series"
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>Red Wedding and Ned's execution were far worse but they also
>accomplished far more in terms of storyline and surprise.
>
>I see what you're saying about Sansa taking Littlefinger's
>speech to heart but honestly I'm still not understanding why
>Sansa agreeing to go along with Littlefinger's convoluted plan
>is helping her in the long run.


Sometimes the best way to fuck up your enemy is from the inside. Make them think you are stupid or weak. When their guard is down, you attack because you are the least expected to. Somestimes you might have to endure pain to achieve your goal.

  

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403. "Well put."
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>Sometimes the best way to fuck up your enemy is from the
>inside. Make them think you are stupid or weak. When their
>guard is down, you attack because you are the least expected
>to. Somestimes you might have to endure pain to achieve your
>goal.

Note that this is also basically Littlefinger's MO throughout the series. He feigned weakness or service or loyalty (whatever the other party wants to hear) in order to put himself into position to eventually capitalize.

  

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399. "True words spoken."
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It all definitely follows a logic, with the characters all put in a different position. I see the light, surely.

I ended up on the side of Outrage! mainly because I didn't *feel* the logic as far as story demands go, NOR did I feel any emotional shock. I don't know if that's to my demerit or what.

  

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405. "Well said and I completely agree with everything you typed here Frank"
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It all made sense in this world, it followed "traditional" Westeros marriage ceremony and it made sense within these characters.

I would have been shocked if Ramsay didn't do what he did. If Ramsay decided to just wait until Sansa was ready would have been completely out of character for him. Plus Ramsay needs to put a baby in Sansa as quickly as possible to secure his place with his father, especially with his father about to have a potential baby boy.

  

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412. "Ramsay's actions were predictable. And that was part of the problem."
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>I would have been shocked if Ramsay didn't do what he did.

The other problem was Sansa's dumbfounded reaction and subsequent attempts at negotiation out of consummation.

This coming off the heels of Sansa's best moment of the series (tub scene)...it was like the return of her red hair morphed her brain back into that of a little girl.

  

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413. "Ramsay clearly isnt going to change and while Sansa showed some"
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backbone in the bath tub it was only to a servant girl. Sansa should be putting servant girls and boys in their place.Lets not pretend Sansa was putting Cersei or anyone of her equal in their place...yet at least.

Sansa should have dressed Myranda down after the dog kettel scene and had her beaten.

Sansa doesnt have the courage or allies lined up yet to make a play at Ramsay and the Boltons. I think she will eventually stand up to Ramsay and the Boltons but it wasnt going to happen on her wedding night.

  

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415. "I don't really expect Sansa to go at the boltons"
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but there have been other available options for her.

  

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416. "When did this happen?"
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>The other problem was Sansa's dumbfounded reaction and
>subsequent attempts at negotiation out of consummation.

I don't recall her protesting at all. She looked shocked at the assholery and that caused her to momentarily hesitate to undress... but when he asks her again, she starts.

Did I miss something (I'm asking sincerely, only watched the scene once)? Does she cry out "don't do this, stop it Ramsey, be nice"? She obviously isn't pleased, to put it mildly... but she knew she had to fuck that dude and reluctantly goes along, even with Theon there. The tub scene shows she knows *exactly* what's up, imo. She knew she was going to have to fuck this creep from the family that killed her brother and mom... and she went through with it. She volunteered in the first place.

I just don't buy people's takes that this Sansa is the same one from even as recently as the start of last season. She is smart, she is playing the game, and she has agency imo. I think people are just upset because they watched her grow up on this show, so to *them* she's still nothing but a victim.

They're also probably just sick of rape on TV, which is completely understandable... but then people should just be honest and say that and leave it there.

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422. "Showing a little more might actually have been helpful."
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You've got a legitimate point that she didn't shy away from the actual situation. But her reluctant acceptance of it turns into offscreen pain and screaming, so the feeling for the viewer (or just me) that she was doing what has to be done kind of just stops there. In Dany's scene (correct if wrong), we see how she manages. Of course, Drogo wasn't quite evil.

  

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451. "like you, I only watched it once"
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>I don't recall her protesting at all. She looked shocked at
>the assholery and that caused her to momentarily hesitate to
>undress... but when he asks her again, she starts.

I seem to remember her saying something like "you can't be serious" which may have been in reference to Theon. I dunno. I recall a vibe of resistance. I have no desire to watch it again.

I think dude below made a good comparison between that scene vs. dany/khal drogo. Similar situation (carrying out matrimonial duties) but a very different kind of vibe.


>
>I just don't buy people's takes that this Sansa is the same
>one from even as recently as the start of last season. She is
>smart, she is playing the game, and she has agency imo.

I think we all agree that her character has evolved. Which IMO doesn't jibe with lettering herself be put in that position to begin with.


>think people are just upset because they watched her grow up
>on this show

I don't think that's played into it at all. Just my opinion, but I think Sansa is hot as fuck and watching her in a sex scene (between 2 consenting partners) would not be the least bit problematic for me. Quite the opposite, really. This chick ain't my little sister.

I think the problem is this scene is the culmination of swiss cheese storylines which everyone has endured out of love for the show. The rape scene was kind of a tipping point in that you're now piling painful on top of useless and predictable and people at this point are just kinda like 'fuck it'.

  

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433. "I agree. I think scene marks the Consummation of Sansa as a Player"
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with Agency in the Game of Thrones. She has committed the ultimate sacrifice (some would argue) to regain Winterfell. We should have all been disgusted. That was the point. It will make Sansa's victory, if it happens, all the more glorious.

Ramsey Bolton has replaced Joffrey as the character that we most want to see die in the series and that is a heck of an achievement.



> So do we
>>really need rape to make her even steelier? Gross, right?
>>Redundant victimization and development. Don't need it.
>
>I don't think it's redundant at all.
>
>I also find assholish marriage consummation with the savvy
>older Sansa far less gross than, say, the murder of the father
>in front of naive younger Sansa and the subsequent forcing her
>to stare at his rotting head on a pike, but all of the
>thinkpieces tell me that *this* is the worst thing the show
>has ever done to anyone, so maybe I'm the weird one for
>feeling like the loss of physical innocence maybe won't impact
>her the way the loss of actual innocence will.
>
>>Ramsey has also already been shown to be hopelessly evil,
>with
>>so many heinous acts under his belt. We would be able to
>>assume how this scene would play out.
>
>You know who else had an idea that this scene would probably
>be unpleasant? Sansa, when she agreed to go to Winterfell to
>marry one of the fucked-up murderous Boltons. But she did it
>anyway, because she's intentionally trying to get close. (She
>probably didn't know it would play out like *that,* obviously.
>But, again, this isn't naive Sansa. Not anymore. She knew she
>was going to end up fucking an unpleasant man.)
>
> Goes back to the idea of
>>rape as a shortcut to let you know that this guy is REALLY
>>evil, discussed re: The Walking Dead. So yeah, this makes
>him
>>superlatively evil, but we already knew.
>
>Nah, on The Walking Dead it serves that purpose, but the three
>big rapes on this show as I see them-- Khal/Dany,
>Jamie/Cersei, and this-- are all waaaaaay more complicated in
>terms of how the rapes serve the story. It's never just "this
>guy is evil! this girl is powerless!" like on many
>shows/movies. That's a discredit to the writers of this show,
>who are far from lazy. These are actions with complicated
>origins and complicated consequences.
>
>>And again with Theon, we've seen him broken down completely.
>>This guy's been messed up and loaded with aforementioned
>guilt
>>concerning the Starks. Did he really need to watch this
>scene
>>go down to finally turn against his keeper? He's screwed up,
>>we get it.
>
>This is a guy who had his dick chopped off and is living in
>literal shit. He hasn't snapped back to reality due to those
>things... so he needed something *reeeeeeeally* bad to happen
>to wake his ass up. Again, the thinkpieces may call this
>"lazy," but if Theon's character arc this season is to wake
>the fuck up, and the ongoing torture that is his life isn't
>enough, then you *do* need something extreme. It makes
>complete sense for his story and for Sansa's. (And also for
>Ramsey's, because, while I have no idea where this story goes,
>it continues to show just how untouchable he feels, which
>ultimately will serve as his downfall, even if it's not at the
>hands of Theon or Sansa. Dude is way smarter than Joffrey,
>which will make him way harder to manipulate... but his lust
>for control and power will have consequences, probably sooner
>rather than later.)
>
>>So with all that it's the writers who just wanted to make
>this
>>rape happen. It was avoidable and didn't do anything new for
>>the characters. Gratuitous.
>
>It wasn't, really. Sansa required the marriage to happen.
>Marriages require consummation. Theon required a reason to
>wake the fuck up.
>
>*Maybe* you could've had Theon wake up before he starts
>actually raping her and kill Ramsey on the spot... but there's
>an actual war coming in the next episode or two, and Ramsey
>has a large role to play in that conflict, so ditching Ramsey
>before the fight for Winterfell doesn't make a ton of sense
>dramatically.
>
>I just think people are exhausted by seeing rape at this
>point, which I *totally get,* and they watched Sansa grow up,
>so it's upsetting, which I *totally get.* I found it to be
>immensely disturbing. But, again, maybe I just read Sansa's
>moves post-Vail as smarter, more cunning than others do. I
>think she took Littlefinger's speech to heart and she's
>legitimately acting with agency, with an end goal.
>
>Maybe if you think she's still just an innocent victim who
>isn't bright enough to avoid being manipulated by evil men,
>you'd think this is the worst thing that's ever happened on
>the show and a completely unnecessary step. I see it instead
>as a compellingly complicated turn of events. What if Ramsey
>had (weird turn of phrase approaching) *just* had unpleasant
>sex with her? Would that have kept Theon at bay, would it have
>kept her revenge timeline on "slow cook"? There were plenty of
>ways that Ramsey could have approached this wedding in general
>that would've been *hugely* beneficial to him, but he keeps
>taking that extra step to revel in sadism. Bolton's speech in
>that first scene in Winterfell after he skinned those people
>about learning how to behave to become a leader-- that concept
>*still* eludes him. He doesn't know how to play the game. And
>despite Sansa being the victim in this scene... she *does*
>know how to play, and Ramsey may just have unknowingly put a
>major wild card in Theon directly into her hands.
>
>Anyway. I'm just rambling about the complications I enjoy on
>this show at this point. I just don't find it nearly as
>simplistic as you do (though, to be fair, there are many many
>thinkpieces being put out right now that agree with you 100%,
>so perhaps I'm in the minority here.)


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435. "oh, she needed to be raped so that theon's arc could be complete"
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that's okay then.

who says we even need theon to wake up? unlike sansa, theon put himself in this position by utterly betraying all the people who cared for him. but her rape for his redemption is the narrative we are accepting here? really? nah, gratutious and lazy writing.

sansa had plenty of depth to her character and enough agency by being back in her home among the man who betrayed her family. she's got old lady from the north who remembers, brienne plotting on the outside. she could easily try to pull something off when stannis brings war to winterfell. she doesn't need theon or his redemption.

yes, she accepted some of the terms of the deal by agreeing to littlefinger's plan. then have to the bedroom slowly close while she has a reluctant but ultimately accepting look on her face. the way it went down was unnecessary.

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437. "I'd written a full response here..."
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... but then I re-read what you wrote, and since you began your reply by ignoring major parts of my argument in order to make your own in a sarcastic manner, I decided it wasn't worth it and edited it out.

The event has major ramifications on Sansa, Theon, and Ramsey. All three. And cutting to Theon in order to spare us the sight of watching a girl get raped (something they *haven't* done in the previous rape scenes on this show) is *not* the same thing as "making the scene about Theon's redemption." Like... at ALL.

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446. "i read your whole post and agree with a lot of what you have to"
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say about how they portray women and rape on the show in general. so yeah, i was being glib. but you ended with how the rape could serve as a trigger for theon, and others mention it as well, and to me that almost seems worse. a woman being raped that leads to her creating agency for herself is a trope. having that same rape serve as a way for another, totally despicable male character to achieve redemption is...i don't know what.

it's a bit knee jerk, as we have yet to see how the season plays out. but i'm not optimistic about it.

to me, theon's only chance at redemption would have been right then, right there. so for this act to have an impact on his character (that would ring true to me, at least) it would be to show truly how far gone he is. that he is truly irredeemable. if they use this as his "breaking point" and now he's team sansa i think would be very lazy.

the only way i see this working out is sansa putting them both to death under brienne's sword. i want theon to play absolutely no role in reclaiming winterfell, because he doesn't deserve that simply by watching sansa get raped.

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448. "I disagree that this trope is at play."
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> a
>woman being raped that leads to her creating agency for
>herself is a trope. having that same rape serve as a way for
>another, totally despicable male character to achieve
>redemption is...i don't know what.

Sansa already has agency. She had agency when she agreed to marry a murderous Bolton in order to get close enough to exact revenge. I'm sure she probably didn't fully imagine the particulars she'd have to endure to do that... but she didn't try to talk back to Ramsey the way she did to Tyrion or even to Joffrey early on. She started undressing and stayed quiet. Some people read that as her being robbed of her agency-- "what choice did she have?"-- but that ignores the series of deliberate choices she made to get there in the first place. She could have sought out help from Winterfellians, or sent a crow to Littlefinger, or tried to find Brienne, or etc. Instead, she endured the dinners, she got dressed, she walked down the aisle, knowing what likely lay in store that night. She knowingly forfeited this "battle" in order to win the war.

It's weird to think of a girl we've watched grow up on screen as intentionally sacrificing her virginity to a murderer in order to plant the seeds for a full-blown revenge... but the whole season has had countless scenes where we've seen Sansa choose time and again her own path, and it was made pretty clear at season's start that she was going home in order to get close to the Boltons to take them down.

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455. "Let's not forget, she started undressing voluntarily For Tyrion"
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She knows a wedding night needs a consummation - Tyrion told her to stop. She also knows that without consummation, a marriage isn't shit.

She knew what had to be done and she was already starting to undress for Ramsay - he just made it quicker and a whole lot more unpleasant than it needed to be. Because he's Ramsay Bolton.

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456. "Great observation."
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This is basically why I feel characterizing the scene as "rape" has been incorrect... Sansa knew the deal. She didn't have to like it, she knew she couldn't refuse and she went along with it, no matter how disgusting the act was.

  

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460. "Naw it was still rape"
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But she knew it was coming, doesn't make it any less against her will just she understood what was about to happen.

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461. "I hate to be that guy..."
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but rape is defined as nonconsensual sex. It's not about whether she's unwilling (because that's true) but whether or not she consents. And like TheAlbionist pointed out, she was undressing for Tyrion just like she was for Ramsay.

This was consensual... it was her wedding night, after all.

  

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407. "It was gratuitous."
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And this show a lot of times is gratuitous. I'm not outraged. I just have no desire to watch a woman be raped to prove someone's "evil" or to have someone "break." Khal/Dany had a purpose. I didn't like it, but it had a purpose. You can cry to you are blue in the face that Jamie/Cersei had a purpose. Ro me it didn't. But it happened, and I got over it. but this? This one was just unnecessary. Again, I'm not outraged, but don't care how many words you want to use to justify it, there was no reason for it. Comparing it to the rapes in the WALKING DEAD is spot fucking on. It's just too easy. And honestly, I don't want to see it. It's not fucking compelling to me. It's disgusting (to me), and I don't know that I want to continue to watch a show where they feel they need to resort to that to tell their story. I'm not saying the show should be taken off the air. I'm not writing a goddamn think piece. I just think it's fucking gross and it makes me not want to watch the show.

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434. "totally agree"
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it was gratuitous and cheap and lazy. everyone watching already hated ramsey, knew he was a psychopath and wanted him dead. this scene did nothing to change that opinion and, in my case, took me out of the scene and made me think about the people writing the show while i was watching it. not sure that's what you want to go for with your audience.

the idea that women need to be raped to create some sense of agency is also pretty repugnant and lazy, too. sansa has seen her father beheaded, lived with joffrey's psycho ways, lived in fear around the hound and her escape from king's landing, has had half her family murdered, is back in the home that was taken from her, with the man who betrayed her family to allow the bolton's to take it...but no, rape is what she really needs to start making moves for herself. give me a break.

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436. "In a best case scenario for that scene..."
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what would you have wanted to happen?

As a viewer sympathetic to Sansa, say we see Theon or Sansa kill Ramsay then escape. Then what? Roose is Warden, Theon and Sansa are exposed and while "The North Remembers" there is no organized body nor troops to do anything for Theon and Sansa. Roose is wedded to Walda Frey, and the Frey's have the strongest and largest standing army in the North due to basically sitting out War of the Five Kings.

So what other scenario is there? If Ramsay somehow becomes gentle to Sansa because of Roose's warnings, then it would be a major departure of character for Ramsay. It would be far more unbelievable than the scene we got, and more unbelievable than Theon somehow intervening.

The scene is being characterized as rape, and we can all agree Sansa was an unwilling participant. But the context of the scene is a wedding night... what else, realistically, did we as viewers expect to happen?

  

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438. "well, it's not like the writers had no choice"
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about when the wedding had to happen. but they decided to do it now, so whatever.

i think they could easily have accomplished conveying that she has truly given "everything" to regain winterfell by having ramsey close their bedroom door with his creepy smirk and her with a look of disgust and ultimately resignation on her face. or have miranda tell her more about the things ramsey likes to do in the bedroom to try and scare here.

we all know that consummating the marriage is part of the deal, but this went the extra mile to be unnecessarily graphic. it's not like ramsey was a good guy the whole time and this was a heel-turn for him.

it felt, to me, like a lazy, cheap and deliberate attempt to provoke without really advancing anything for any of the characters involved. except maybe theon. but then have ramsey rape theon if he needs agency so bad.

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442. "Not sure I follow this line of logic..."
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> well, it's not like the writers had no choice about when the wedding had to happen. but they decided to do it now, so whatever.

Not sure if you're a book reader or not, but we all know the show's on a timetable. Seven massive books, only five have been written, and HBO will only produce at most 8 seasons. It's not like Ramsay and Sansa were in a developing romance (a la Robb and Talisa), so there's no reason the Boltons would want to delay the pairing. What other time could this wedding have happened?

> ramsey close their bedroom door with his creepy smirk and her with a look of disgust and ultimately resignation on her face. or have miranda tell her more about the things ramsey likes to do in the bedroom to try and scare here.

Definitely reasonable, but I don't think those scenes would have worked; reasons below.

> we all know that consummating the marriage is part of the deal, but this went the extra mile to be unnecessarily graphic.

I respectfully disagree. We see Sansa reluctant to undress, Ramsay rip off her dress (from the back), a quick shot of Sansa's face, then the lingering shot on Theon. I don't feel this was graphic; "unnecessarily graphic" to me were the long shots of abuse and actual rape at Craster's keep. We've seen this show do those kinds of shots many times prior; we did not see it with Sansa.

> it felt, to me, like a lazy, cheap and deliberate attempt to provoke without really advancing anything for any of the characters involved. except maybe theon.

This is what everyone's glossing over. Like I alluded in post #387, this scene was just as much about Theon as it was Sansa. That long shot on Theon's face confirms it for me. Theon's torture has always been physical, and Sansa's has always been emotional... Ramsay has ensured that both characters felt the pain of the other side.

We haven't yet seen the repercussions of that night, or their wedding. We can't claim that the scene didn't advance their characters when we haven't seen the next episode.

And we feel for Sansa because she's been battered from so many angles... Joffrey, Cersei, Littlefinger, and now Ramsay. But have we actually seen her hit rockbottom? When her abuser was Joffrey, The Hound protected her. While Cersei was tormenting her, Tyrion showed her mercy. And while Littlefinger was manipulating her, he was also her savior from Lysa.

Sansa first learned agency for her fate during Littlefinger's interrogation. She first owned that agency when she dyed her hair and started dressing in black. And now, when her body as well as her spirit has almost been broken... she'll discover the heights of where her agency will take her.

  

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445. "if having your manhood cut off and being psychologically"
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tortured and forced to live in kennels isn't enough to cause you to "wake up" to your plight, not sure how witnessing a rape is going to do it. so if the writers truly use that for theon's "awakening", it doesn't ring true to me and makes the rape gratuitous and lazy. having her rape serve as his reason to come full circle is awfully convenient for him.

and sansa certainly doesn't need a final straw to be broken. from losing her direwolf down to all the other shit she's gone through that i highlighted above, she was already on the way to calling her own shots. you saw it with her scenes with brienne and miranda. so again, her plotting and accepting her fate and limited power as a woman in that world (as cersei and others have often done) and submitting to ramsey should have been enough. there was no reason to make her rape about theon at all.

and i'm not trying to ban rape from tv, but i think the writers can do much better. i was more disappointed that they went that route than angry. she has so many more reasons to make a play during the upcoming battle at winterfell than being raped by ramsey bolton.

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447. "Frank's right, you just gloss over our main points."
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> if having your manhood cut off and being psychologically tortured and forced to live in kennels isn't enough to cause you to "wake up" to your plight, not sure how witnessing a rape is going to do it. having her rape serve as his reason to come full circle is awfully convenient for him.

I explicitly explained Theon's situation in post #387. His torture has always originated from fear of physical pain, directed on himself. Theon has basically been disenfranchised since he became a ward of the Starks. When he tried to return to the Greyjoys, his father basically disowned him and his sister failed in rescuing him.

However, he has fond memories with the Starks, and grew up close with both Robb and Jon. Maybe less so with Sansa and Arya, but they are Starks all the same and treated him with respect.

When Sansa is getting raped, this is the first time Theon experienced emotional pain from someone he *cares* for. This is not pain from getting whipped, or limbs cut off, or from sleeping in kennels. You can't have it both ways by claiming the rape is gratuitous then downplay it when it comes to Theon.

> and sansa certainly doesn't need a final straw to be broken.

How are you so sure? Do you know what happens next? You completely ignored my entire point how even when she's been beaten, she's been protected. This is the first time that is not the case, and this is also the first time she's been brutalized *physically*. That is the crux of my whole argument.

> there was no reason to make her rape about theon at all

I said that scene was just as much about Theon as it was about Sansa. Like Frank said, it's about all the characters in that room, not just Sansa, not just Theon.

> i'm not trying to ban rape from tv, but i think the writers can do much better. i was more disappointed that they went that route than angry. she has so many more reasons to make a play during the upcoming battle at winterfell than being raped by ramsey bolton.

None of this addresses the fact it was her wedding night. Again, what, realistically, did you expect to happen in a wedding between Ramsay Bolton and Sansa Stark?

  

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449. "at this point in the show, books, etc, it's derivative"
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and a lazy way to get "motivation" for any character to do something. sorry, that's how i feel. it literally took me out of the show. and not in a good way, like it was a shock twist or anything. everyone knew a marriage to ramsey was not going to be a good thing, so i just don't see why it was necessary.

i addressed to frank above the fact that yes, the repercussions haven't played out. so there's the off-chance that this rape brings something new to the story, but i'm doubtful. happy to be proven wrong though.

sansa already has plenty of motivation to want to see theon's, ramsey's, and roose's head on a spike on the walls of winterfell. the rape made no difference there.

ramsey we already knew was a psychopath, so no difference there. so that leaves theon.

theon's situation i addressed a little bit more in depth on my second reply to frank, too. for him to have any redemption, he would have had to do something right then, right there. obviously, that wouldn't work with the timing of stannis' march, etc.

that's fine that if, in his mind, he does something later (say kill roose or ramsey or whatever) that he feels redeems himself. but then sansa should end him with a quickness. otherwise any sort of post-rape redemption that the writers try to sell would feel extremely forced and in bad taste.

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457. "RE: at this point in the show, books, etc, it's derivative"
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>and a lazy way to get "motivation" for any character to do
>something. sorry, that's how i feel. it literally took me
>out of the show. and not in a good way, like it was a shock
>twist or anything.

I hear you, I do. It's a disgusting scene and the public backlash reflects that sentiment. I'm not trying to change your mind about how you *feel* about it, I'm just trying to illustrate why it's *necessary*.

> everyone knew a marriage to ramsey was not
>going to be a good thing, so i just don't see why it was
>necessary.

Agreed, and Sansa knew it wasn't going to be a good thing either. Except she still did it. Why? Because she's now in a position to do something about the Boltons. THAT is why it was necessary, and is entirely consistent with her character and the storyline. Everything you're protesting would be a departure from both.

>i addressed to frank above the fact that yes, the
>repercussions haven't played out. so there's the off-chance
>that this rape brings something new to the story, but i'm
>doubtful. happy to be proven wrong though.

This is what I don't get about the backlash. No one knows what's going to happen, so why are people so adamant about the scene being unnecesary?

>sansa already has plenty of motivation to want to see theon's,
>ramsey's, and roose's head on a spike on the walls of
>winterfell. the rape made no difference there.

Sure, I basically agree with you. But Sansa's motivation was never the issue. Her dilemma was being in a position to DO something about it. And the fact that this is the first time she's been *physically* brutalized. I don't know how many times I've needed to explain that.

>ramsey we already knew was a psychopath, so no difference
>there. so that leaves theon.

And Ramsay is now a married man. I agree the scene was less about him vs the other two, but trying to downplaying his role isn't going to change the impact of the scene.


>theon's situation i addressed a little bit more in depth on my
>second reply to frank, too. for him to have any redemption,
>he would have had to do something right then, right there.
>obviously, that wouldn't work with the timing of stannis'
>march, etc.

Why does it have to be something right then, right there? You completely ignored the prior scenarios I detailed. If he stops/injures/kills Ramsay, then what? Does that mean Roose just falls over and dies and Littlefinger makes Theon Warden of the North? Or what happens if he fails to stop him? He's already familiar with the depths of Ramsay's depravity so why would he risk doing something "right then, right there"?

What could Theon possibly do in his cowed state to redeem himself in that room, right then right there? I'm honestly asking you these questions, these aren't rhetorical.


>that's fine that if, in his mind, he does something later (say
>kill roose or ramsey or whatever) that he feels redeems
>himself. but then sansa should end him with a quickness.
>otherwise any sort of post-rape redemption that the writers
>try to sell would feel extremely forced and in bad taste.

These are some pretty bold claims not knowing how the season actually plays out. I'm willing to bet that these will be found untrue come the next few episodes.

  

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450. "and if i'm glossing stuff over it's because i'm squeezing"
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these replies in at work. not being dismissive.

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419. "Sansa started the series the most fairytale naive of anyone."
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She had all the dreams of being a fairytale princess - and one of GoT's principal missions seems to be to knock naive fairytales into the dirt with the gruesome realities of medieval life.

Her entire "I'm going to marry Prince Charming and he's going to be my knight in shining armour and I'm just going to eat lemon cakes and look PRETTY" outlook in seasons 1 and 2 made it an absolute lock that she'd eventually get raped by a man she didn't like on her wedding night.

I think what people here seem to be wishing is that the writers chickened out. You can't give Sansa a fairytale. The entire point of her character is to destroy that fairytale.

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401. "i had a hard time believing those little girls could hang with Bron"
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i guess outnumbering him and having whips and all but i dunno. with everything we've seen from him it seems like it would be an easy W for him

  

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402. "I'm more pissed he didn't finish the song..."
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>i guess outnumbering him and having whips and all but i
>dunno. with everything we've seen from him it seems like it
>would be an easy W for him

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404. "Same here and now Bronn is probably going to die from that wound"
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I don't understand why Bronn didn't just cut that damn whip with his sword.

I had a much bigger issue with Bronn not being able to take out two little sand snakes than the Unsullied v Sons of Harpy scene that everyone was angry about. At least the Sons of Hapry ambushed the Unsullied in close quarters, Bronn had no excuse for fighting to a draw against two teenage girls.

  

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406. "Yeah the Unsullied L made sense to me. they were never battle tested"
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I think they've only been taught how to fight straight forward. They've only sparred with each other. They have no concept of being ambushed from behind. especially in a tight place like an alley.

>I don't understand why Bronn didn't just cut that damn whip
>with his sword.

Yeah, and when he slapped her, i was thinking why not just stab her in the eye. Jamie Lannister style.

  

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408. "Not just that, but the choreography of that fght sucked."
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Those girls didn't look like a threat. They looked like they were moving at half speed like it was the first time they tried it on set or a dress rehearsal.

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411. "Areo Hotah broke that shit up like a schoolyard fight at recess"
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he should've blown a whistle.

Nevertheless I was happy to see that scene end by whatever means necessary.

  

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414. "Agree that is exactly how he came in and broke it up"
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then it was funny when one of the sand snakes tried to convince the soldiers to help them. A terrible scene and storyline all the way around.

  

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409. "Everything Dorne and Sand Snakes is a complete waste of time"
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None of the Dorne or the Sand Snakes story have any bearing on the who will sit on the Iron Throne or the security of the overall realm. I suppose if Jaime and Cerseis daughter were killed it might start a new war between the Lannisters and the Martells. Zero intrgue, the sand snakes do not seem very dangerous or skilled fighters, and Oberyns lover is coming off as bat shit crazy. Oberyns own brothers and king of Dorne, while not happy about his brothers death at least understands that was death by combat that his own brother volunteered for.

Just end the whole Dorne storyline in the next episode and spend more time on the other more important players.

  

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410. "My feelings on the Sansa/Ramsay scene are similar to Franks "
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Sansa knew what she was signing up for when she agreed to marry Ramsay as the Boltons are well known in the North for their torture and brutality. Plus, she had spent enough days with Ramsay to see how cruel and evil he was and what he had done to Theon.

Sansa also knows that consummating a marriage on a wedding night is tradition in Westeros. She was spared having to marry and thus sleep with Joffrey because of the rebellion. Tyrion was kind and didn't love her so he avoided sleeping with Sansa and consummating the marriage, much to the displeasure of his father Tywin.

We all knew that she wouldn't be so lucky with Ramsay. Ramsay was never going to be "kind" or "gentle" with Sansa like Tyrion, Ramsay was never going to take Sansa's feeling into consideration or wait to consummate the marriage for when Sansa was ready.

It was great to see Sansa flex some muscle in the bathtub scene with Myranda and I was hoping that would have carried over to the wedding night with Ramsay but I was let done. However, she really couldn't have done much to stop Ramsay. Sure she is in Winterfell and has allies in the North but she isn't in position to make a move yet. She is still surrounded by the Boltons and their bannermen.

I do hope Sansa murks Myranda. She could easily order Myranda executed if she wanted to but I think that would more than likely excite Ramsay rather than hurt him.

I think this might throw a wrench in Littlefingers plans as well. Let's play this out. Littlefinger is hoping that some combination of Sansa, Theon, Stannis, and the North rally to take the Botlons out of Winterfell and install Sansa as the ruler of Winterfell. However, I think Ramsay being cruel and torturing Sansa is going to cause her to reconsider helping Littlefinger in the future. In fact, Sansa might blame Littlefinger for her torture at Winterfell by Ramsay. She knows Littlefinger is a man with a lot of knowledge and spies, surely Littlefinger should have known what type of person Ramsay is and she might feel betrayed by LIttlefinger.

  

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417. "Yeah, pushing me closer to the edge of tapping out"
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There wasn't a single story in this episode interested me. The Sand Snakes/Jamie shit was beyond stupid. The "trial" of Loras felt like wasted time. None of this is appealing to me anymore. Playing out the string, I guess.

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420. "I'm the exact opposite of this."
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This season's been a slow burn so far, but it's set SO much in motion... I honestly think I'm enjoying it more than any series. The Sansa consummation was horrible, but we have to expect some horrible... it's Game of Thrones.

The Arya stuff is starting to get good though whomever she's going to "become" has better not steal the show from/had better be as captivating as Maisie Williams who is knocking that sullen, confused and frustrated yet earnest and resolute lost girl out of the park.

Cersei and Margaery/Olenna's power struggle is just about ready to get out of HAND.

High Sparrow absolutely nailing the soft spoken fundamentalist tyrant. I didn't see the witness (should've put 2+2 together when they raided Baelish's brothel) or the Margaery indictment coming, I've got to admit and I SHOUTED AT THE SCREEN.

Baelish has a plan that he's not letting anyone in on, but just might end up seized by the Taliban. This is the most dangerous position he's allowed himself into yet... he's almost ready to "watch this kingdom burn if he could rule over the ashes" as Varys predicted however many seasons ago.

The most likable Monarchs so far (Tommen and Dany) are both turning out to be two of the most ineffective rulers. Waiting on Tommen and Theon to ACT is almost as torturous as a pre-eunuching visit from Myranda.

The Boltons have surely peaked and are about to get RUINED by Stan the Man and/or Sansa and/or Theon and/or Myranda.

Myranda does NOT have Ramsay's back.

Ser Friendzone's going to show us the fighting pits. Tyrion's got a horse cock and the Dorne scenes are mercifully short.

All that said, if Shireen gets raped, we riot.

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421. "I'm with you, it's getting good on most fronts."
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I'm very invested in what happens at Winterfell as I need to see those Boltons catch bad one soon. That said, I don't think it's gonna be Stannis that does it. All the foreshadowing for his future seems negative to me.

Dorne shit is the only stuff not working.

  

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423. "Is there an actual strategy behind this Cersei shit?"
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She's got 3 Tyrels in custody (if you count Mace being under Meryn Trant's "protection"), but then what? Especailly if she has no say in what these goons do, including going at her and her king born of incest.

Is she really THIS shortsighted, that she thinks an alliance with some unpredictable religious nuts is better than a begrudgingly stable one with House Tyrel? Even Littlefinger was like, dude, really?

Without Tywin around these weirdos went from not even daring set foot in the city to throwing the queen in lock up.

  

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424. "You already knew the answer:"
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>Without Tywin around



Cersei's always loved the power, but she's never been the best at making ruler-ly decisions. Before, she had Robert -> Tyrion -> Tywin to keep her in check...

Now? She's only got herself.

  

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425. "it's just weird to me she could be this delisional "
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or not thinking ahead in any way at all. yeah, she's not nearly as wise as Tyrion or Tywin, but it's hard to fathom she could be this reckless. But you're right I guess. We've never seen her actually on her own. She's just making moves that don't make sense to anyone.

seems the only thing that might save her is miester and frankenstein mountain

  

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426. "She's always been driven by her own paranoia and hatred"
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Every decision she's made this season is driven by what the wood witch told her in that flashback. She sees it as protecting her family from usurpers, but he considered the potential for blowback.

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427. "RE: it's just weird to me she could be this delisional "
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>but it's hard to fathom she could be this reckless.

Remember, she was --> this <-- close to poisoning Tommen to keep him from Stannis' army in season 2.

She loves her family DEEP, but that love tends to cloud her decision making.

  

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432. "I mean pick up any history book. Royalty is easily this delusional"
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Shit looks what's going on in North Korea right now. Lil' Kim Un is killing his advisors left and right. Very believable that a king or queen would be delusional and terrible decision makers.





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452. "She's always been like this though. "
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She's always made rash decisions. The only times she's remotely cunning or "wise" is when she's manipulating men. She's making all the decisions she would normally make. There's just no one left to serve as a buffer.

  

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428. "The problem is you're not half as smart as you think you are ©Tywin"
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But I think the bigger problem here is that this whole storyline was silliness from the jump.

Writers are just digging a deeper hole at this point. Need an Aero Hotah rescue.

  

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429. "Cersei NEVER thinks a decision through though"
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....but she's grown up around Jaimie, Tyson, and Tyrion, men who are either intellectually, or physically her betters..... It leads to a complex where she believes she's smarter than them cause she's gotten away with things they never called her on or cause she's "the queen"...... She sent away anyone who could help the kingdom cause she's grieving, angry, and jealous.....

She STILL hasn't considered Lancelot or how the rumors of her kids paternity are SERIOUS, or the iron bank, or Stannis, etc.... she just put a bunch of fanatics in power to get rid of what really was her son's greatest allies.... Nothing is getting fixed, more getting destroyed, and she's happy cause all she wants to say is "I run this"....

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443. "I think you have something here."
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It's rather telling she hated Tyrione & Tywin the most, the two who put up w/her bs the least.

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431. ""House Lannister has no rival.""
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She honestly believes that no other family can sustain an attack on the Lannisters and that their power wasn't almost entirely down to their wealth, assets and Tywin himself.

She's going to get utterly fucked, but she's going to take a good few people with her when she does...

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439. "She's "climbing the ladder of chaos" (c) Littlefinger."
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She saw no way to get her power back, so fuck it: toss some chaos at the board, wipe some of the players out if possible, and see if you can scrape your way back to the top after the fallout.

It's obviously not a good plan, and she's nowhere near as smart as Littlefinger... but she's a desperate character losing her family connections at nearly an exponential rate. It makes sense that she would act on short-term gains. That's always sort of been her MO anyway-- I feel like the show has had several scenes in which characters explain to her that she needs to play the long game better, and she just smirks and tosses their opinions out.

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440. "this is the best rationalization for Cersei's behavior I'v seen"
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441. "She could be just a woman scorned. Still smarting from Margaery's Mean"
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Girl Routine. Couldn't direct attack the queen because Tommen is whipped but used the brother and the church to pull it off.

I think it's clear that she isn't really thinking this through and might just be driven by pettiness.



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444. "Littlefinger is playing chess while most in the game are playing checker..."
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453. "She really doesn't understand the long game though"
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....and she really does think she's smarter than everyone else....where that comes from?, we'll never know...but the flashback shows she's always been spoiled, mean, and short sighted

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463. "She's screwed."
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She's very petty and fails to see the big picture. Like Tywin said she's not half as smart as she thinks she is.

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459. "Some zealots only focus on their issues. "
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Maybe she's hoping they only care about certain deviances and not others.


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466. "they were already yelling "abomination!" at Tommen tho"
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not sure if he told her, since he's so clueless about everthyhing. i guess she shrugged it off if he did.

  

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470. "You called it."
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462. "Reminder, Sansa learned the game through Littlefinger."
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From posts #398 and 403:

#398:
"Sometimes the best way to fuck up your enemy is from the inside. Make them think you are stupid or weak. When their guard is down, you attack because you are the least expected to. Somestimes you might have to endure pain to achieve your goal."

#403:
"Note that this is also basically Littlefinger's MO throughout the series. He feigned weakness or service or loyalty (whatever the other party wants to hear) in order to put himself into position to eventually capitalize."

Littlefinger's long con from the very beginning was manipulating Lysa from the create strife between the Starks and the Lannister. He knew where and when he had to sacrifice for his long term goals (incidentally, the exact opposite of Cersei's MO):

- Put himself through a false relationship with Lysa, eventually marrying her, despite loving Catelyn
- Feigns alliance with Ned, Catelyn's husband
- Pushes Robin Arryn to lead the Vale, instead of himself, despite the other lords skepticism of Robin
- Arranges Sansa's marriage with Ramsay despite his own advances towards her (first when she's no longer betrothed to Joffrey then again when he brings her to the Vale)

From less than humble beginnings, he's moved from Master of Coin to Lord of Harrenhal to (basically) Lord of the Vale. Littlefinger is the master of manipulation, and he knows what needs to be done to get what he wants.

Sansa is learning from the best.

  

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464. "is it wrong i hope sansa offs both reek and ramsey"
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465. "I think it's safe to say you're in the majority..."
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and I'm with you

  

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469. "Fuck reek"
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473. "I really dont want this Sansa torture to drag on"
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it's just shitty to watch

  

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471. "You blind cunt. Hodor could have seen that coming"
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472. "but cersei is dumb tho. tywin told us that."
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476. "He slow walked the hell out of her too."
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Long winded story, promise to rid her of the Tyrell, then *boom* "oh yeah lancel talked".




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480. ""But my incest won't get found by these fanatics I've given power to""
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474. "I approve of this week's Sandsnake scene"
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475. "yes lawd. and my thing is hot women with short hair."
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Good day for Bronn...got to live and peep the goods.

  

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478. "Yeah that was awesome"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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484. "grateful for the immaculate mammary"
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not so down for the random act of kindness. Bronn shoulda died. Game of Thrones is a bit stuck in a formula it needs to break free from but letting Bronn live there wasn't it IMO. it just felt a little safe, like most of the Sand Snake / Dorne stuff.


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485. "between sandsnake girl and melisandre it's been a highpoint..."
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in a season that's lacked a bit.

I hear you on the "safe" thing but i'm def not trying to lose Bronn.
We also got a reason for his weak effort last week. "It's against my code to hurt a woman"

  

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515. "Bronn's getting used by them for something."
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I have a feeling they've spotted him as a sell-sword and figure he's better alive and on their side than dead.

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477. "Sansa's shrewd maneuvering is really paying off "
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From here on in I'm just going to make fun of her. It's my emotional defense mechanism. I can't be crying for this poor gal every week, sorry.

  

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479. "Best episode of S5 yet."
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Nothing super exciting, but some quiet moments of awesome...

Cersei getting hers
Tyrion meeting Daenerys
A Sand Snake finally showing something great (literally and figuratively)

I got a bad feeling for Stannis and Jon Snow, but I think Sansa might finally have to do something in the coming weeks.

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481. "Stannis will be alright."
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>
>I got a bad feeling for Stannis and Jon Snow, but I think
>Sansa might finally have to do something in the coming weeks.

His daughter not so much. He might not give her up, but his batshit crazy wife would. To the Lord of light. I still have images of her enjoying mace burning in my head.

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483. "Jonah gave us a good fight for once this season, and then"
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Tyron basically spoke for fans of the show constantly worried Dany is stuck in the mud forever. "Nah, not with me. One way or the other."


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482. "I'm gonna miss Aemon Targaeryan"
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one of the shows more underrated characters

  

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493. "Salud to Aemon."
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Mentioning he was a Targaryen to Jon in the first season was one of the first great, subtle, "oh shit" reveals in the show.

Really great death scene and it was neat how D&D said it was basically the first natural death in the series.

  

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516. "Hoster Tully?"
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>Really great death scene and it was neat how D&D said it was
>basically the first natural death in the series.
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517. "Damn, nice catch."
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Maybe they meant a character we're invested in? Or they just completely forgot about Hoster, hah

  

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519. "Yeah, I think that's probably it."
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Even reading the books didn't give me too much of a feel for the gravity of Hoster's death... it seemed more about Catelyn than him really.

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486. "Couple of things I don't understand...."
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- if everyone knows that Ramsay is batshit crazy, why does Sansa have to burn a candle in the tower saying she's is danger? It should be a given.

- why can't melisandre just have one of those smoke babies to kill Ramsay in the manner she that killed stannis' brother?

  

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487. "She said she needs the King's blood to pull off her trickery"
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>- why can't melisandre just have one of those smoke babies to
>kill Ramsay in the manner she that killed stannis' brother?

Hence the convo about Stannis' daughter. With it she can get rid of all his enemy's and clear a path to King's Landing.

As for your first question, I agree...not sure why there's need for a sign. Maybe just to be sure she's down to get saved.

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488. "RE: Couple of things I don't understand...."
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>- if everyone knows that Ramsay is batshit crazy, why does
>Sansa have to burn a candle in the tower saying she's is
>danger? It should be a given.

Because they're giving her space to do things her way rather than charging in and getting told to fuck off like Brienne's earlier in the season.


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>- why can't melisandre just have one of those smoke babies to
>kill Ramsay in the manner she that killed stannis' brother?


She's trying - that's what the conversation about Shireen was about this week. She needs to sacrifice royal blood for her magic to work.

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497. "Thanks for the clarifications..."
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Okay, I was thinking that she needed a man's blood and sperm because she kept going after males all this time. I need to re watch the original smoke baby scene again.

  

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500. "I don't think the sacrifice is to make one of those smoke babies..."
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Last season, Stannis asked Melissandre to make another one of the babies and she told him, "You're not strong enough for it now."

I think the idea with sacrificing Shireen is to give him and his army magical "power" in the upcoming battle in the snow both of them saw when looking into the fire.

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489. "i think the showruners have said Ramsey is NOT known"
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to be that kind of person far and wide in the show universe as compared to the books (I haven't read the books)

however, to me that sounds like a bullshit excuse to make this Sansa storyline make more sense, because Ramsay is out there flaying entire small towns to make a point and hanging old women in the town square for his wife's "benefit".

plus he turned a human man into a house pet and lets everyone around him know it.

and if ANYONE outside the North would've known, you'd think it'd be Littlefinger (well, Varys first)

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490. "The fact Littlefinger left her there with NO protection is odd too"
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....is he really just trusting that at this point, she can take care of herself til he gets back?

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494. "The last thing LF wants is someone saving her"
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and taking her away. he needs her where she is whether she's suffering or not.

Plus he seems to find muscle overrated. If he left a little crew there to protect her, they'd still be outnumbered, and what are they really supposed to do once she's married?

  

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505. "i hear you, but Ramsay is crazy enough to kill her "by accident""
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...that ruins everybody's plans....

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508. "True. LF knows there's a risk though"
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and as much as she likes Sansa, she's more of a pawn than anything else. He knows Roose is evil as shit, so a half assed promise to not hurt her from a kid he doesnt know is the best he could do.

  

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498. "Does anyone in Winterfell know who Brienne is?"
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If she would just keep her mouth shut, she could probably spy on Winterfell's activities.

  

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507. "doesn't seem like it. she can't exactly blend in though"
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i'm not sure if Roose would know who she is from when he was with Robb

  

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491. "with the queen & queen regent locked up, and Tommen scared to act"
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the High Sparrow is basically a medieval pope at this point. All the power is in his hands. Casually dismissing Grandma Tyrell (fuck you and your food), and having dirt on all the top players, he could put the fear of the seven gods into Tommen and make him his puppet.
LF did tell grandma that he had a guy...could it be the high sparrow? at first I thought he was talking about Lancel. But he's a true convert who feels guilty and wants to atone for his sins. He doesn't need to be encouraged to snitch on Cersei.
The high sparrow makes more sense. Grandma was right, he's got an agenda just like everyone else. Could LF have bought him off? on some "I'll take the L on my brothel, but you gotta do something for me"

  

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492. "Dude was like, "ever sew the field, btich? fuck outta here""
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I thought it was Lancel also given that he ran into him, and the timing of it.

LF doesn't have the money Granny Tryell could offer, so maybe LF would have to have some serious drit on the High Sparrow if it's him. Or he just encouraged Lancel to come completely clean since he has the loophole of being born again, and Cersei was kind of making him hit anyway.

  

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495. "Margaery telling Cersei how she sucks at faking it"
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the next scene is her horribly trying to fake sincerity around the high sparrow while he looks right through her, like this bitch really thinks i'm this stupid.

  

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496. "So is Brienne really going to stare at that window all season...."
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Waiting for a candle which may never be lit.


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499. "Are we assuming Bronn is definitely okay after drinking that? "
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Why would they feel the need to save him at this point?

That girl is fire btw

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501. "He fucking better be."
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And them him and them sweet sweet titties better get a spinoff with Jamie where they just travel Westeros fucking shit up lol.

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511. "yo"
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the poisoning was pretty obvs and a stupid side story BUTTTTTT

that ol girl recognized bronn as the realest nigga in the seven kingdoms or wherever the fuck they're at and locked that down under extenuating circumstances is totally ok w/ me.

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502. "Ye gods, what's with all of you wanting to kill Bronn?"
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He's been one of a handful of things good about this season, and everyone wants him to be killed by a just-introduced, crappy character with great tits?

They already killed off one of the more interesting characters earlier this season for no apparent reason. Why kill off the other one?

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503. "I'm not anti-Bron, but at the same time"
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it doesn't make much sense from the fighter's perspective why she wanted to save Bron's life, unless he seduced her or she fell for him somehow. If that's the case, the show didn't do a good enough job illustrating why she'd want to save Bron's life since she was supposedly gung-ho in her mission to rid their kingdom of anything that is pro-Lanister.

  

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504. "To me, the issue wasn't that she saved Bronn..."
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It's that the blade was poisoned in the first place. Like for what? Were they expecting to run into Jamie and Bronn? They'd heard that they were travelling to Dorne, but had no reason to think they'd be in the Water Gardens at the time. If not, were they trying to poison the personal guards of Prince Doran that were on site and the might run into while trying to kill/kidnap/whatever the fuck to Mycella at the time? Was the posion for Mycella?

It's another poorly thought out story beat in a really poor storyline. But at least we got a great pair of tits.

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506. "i thought they knew SOMEBODY was coming"
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...hence their urgency to catch up to mycella

....i also figured that thing is always poisoned.....

....lastly i fure she helped bronn, cause, well why not?? she said she liked him a couple times....Bronn even said Dornish women are crazy.....She seemed to really enjoy their back and forth.....She just seemed to wanna prove "i got you" and once she did, she gave him the antidote cause she likes him.... i didn't consider it complicated....if Bronn hadda been an unbearable ass in the cell, then he woulda died....

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509. "Yeah, i figured they were just ready for whatever"
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>....i also figured that thing is always poisoned.....

  

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518. "Yeah, Bronn isn't a Lannister, he's a merc"
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>....lastly i fure she helped bronn, cause, well why not?? she
>said she liked him a couple times....Bronn even said Dornish
>women are crazy.....She seemed to really enjoy their back and
>forth.....She just seemed to wanna prove "i got you" and once
>she did, she gave him the antidote cause she likes him.... i
>didn't consider it complicated....if Bronn hadda been an
>unbearable ass in the cell, then he woulda died....

Presumably the Sand Snakes aren't evil, while they wouldn't have cared if he died, saving him wasn't a big deal either, particularly since he was entertaining them in the cell.

  

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512. "the whole sand snakes story is dumb"
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but if you're telling me there's really good breasts and a hilarious bronn storyline I'm in.

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522. "Plus, the show needs comedy more than ever."
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So many of the plotlines are getting unrelentingly grim. We need the laughs desperately, from a storytelling perspective. Bronn is one of the reasons I keep going-- I know it won't be 60 minutes trudging through misery.

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521. "Isn't poison this family's thing?"
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My assumption was that their shit is always poisoned, because that's how these folk get down. Didn't seem like remotely a stretch to me.

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524. "Yes, but not really like that"
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Before the Viper fights the Mountain, they show his squire clearly apply the poison to the spear. Which is why I take it they might like to use it, but they have to make the effort to make sure it's used before each fight. And in the case of that original weak ass Sand Snakes fight, it made zero sense for ol' girl with the great tits to poison her sword/knife ahead of time. Since I doubt she was intending to use time-acting poison on the royal guards or Mycella.

The only context it would make sense is in relation to Bronn's "The Dornish are fucking crazy" line. Which, as I explanations go, I guess is okay, but still weak.

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513. "Bronn is the best. needs no explanation"
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510. "The actor who played Aemon died, right?"
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His deathbed scene looked like The Polar Express or something....CGI, but almost lifelike.

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514. "nah, he's alive"
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I think they just didn't want to force gramps to climb up on that funeral pyre.

I thought the same thing when I saw the CGI though.

  

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520. "Just looked, still alive, just turned 92!!"
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523. "Diana Rigg better get AT MINIMUM an Emmy nomination."
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She fucking SLAYS EVERY SINGLE LINE. She's my favorite character by far at the moment. Make her the queen. Give her more to do.

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525. "This I agree with. Her and Bronn have saved the season from being..."
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...a complete and utter disaster. I guess the adventures of Jorah and Tyrion have been good, up until the worst gladiator arena fight ever.

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526. "i liked that last fight"
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I took part of the point as they weren't real fighters/gladiators anyway.... It also proved that the pit fighting is a wack idea set to appease simple minds and make others rich

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561. "And she was bad when she was young"
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527. "HOLY FUCK"
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that was intense as a mug

  

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"The Walkers play for keeps and The King respects Snow"


  

          

I'm hyped to see where this all goes. The book and the series have almost completely gone their separate ways.

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529. "The Walkers play for keeps and The King respects Snow"
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I'm hyped to see where this all goes. The book and the series have almost completely gone their separate ways.

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530. "The Walkers play for keeps and The King respects Snow"
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I'm hyped to see where this all goes. The book and the series have almost completely gone their separate ways.

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540. "That shit was epic"
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528. "All Hail King Crow!"
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531. "John just took out one of the King's strongest with Longclaw"
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Holy Shit!

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532. "bruh..."
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if jon snow ain't the baddest muh fucka in the westeros...

my jaw was on the floor for that entire battle

  

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535. "He s the key to this story."
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I'm convinced.

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533. "I just want to know what went through that White Walker's head when"
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Jon's sword blocked his ice-blade. Dude was probably wild gung-ho to be the first Walker on the field. Dude killed a Thenn Chieftain, he was about to fuck up a man of the Night's watch, and then boom shattered into 1,000 pieces.


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534. ""Oh shit. No he didn't!""
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539. "im anxiously awaiting a gif of his oh shit face"
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557. "via VF"
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http://photos.vanityfair.com/2015/06/01/556bc697378caf0d670e4de2_oh-fuck-yes-jon-snow.gif

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564. "yaaaas"
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536. "spoilerish.."
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GIANT!!!!

hell yeah....i dig me them thar Giants....

  

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http://tinyurl.com/mbrnoya

  

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538. "http://i.imgur.com/R1Kwt0Y.gif"
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http://i.imgur.com/R1Kwt0Y.gif

  

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543. "Lol!"
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Well done

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546. "^EPIC"
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541. "Well, that escalated quickly..."
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And it also explains where most of the budget for the season went.

But yeah, I'll take that battle over just about anything they've done so far. Fucking bad ass.

Underrated pre-battle moment: Tormund beating The Lord of Bones the fuck down with his club and just walking away.

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544. "Sheeeeeeittttt!"
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They don't ever have to go back to dorne. Or kings landing. Nope. This story and the battle at winterfell. I can ffwd through everything else.

  

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565. "SO..... DOPE......"
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>Underrated pre-battle moment: Tormund beating The Lord of
>Bones the fuck down with his club and just walking away.

...i was tired of dude's mouth too....i guess he forgot who he was talking to

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542. "can yall imagine if the giant was turned into a wight..."
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zombie fuckin giants?!

shiiiiiiiiittttttt!

  

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545. "I had thoughts about this episode...."
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Then Jon arrived at hardhomme. And now I want to behave like King Tommen.

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547. "why does Snow and them stay fucking with dragon glass?"
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Isn't fire the only way to compete?

also, what did happen to Rickon? It's been so long that I forgot.

Giants need to their own spinoff.

fav ep of the season by far.

  

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549. "I don't understand the question."
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They found a store of dragon glass back at the fist of the first men. Didn't know what it was used for.
Then Sam kills a white walker with it and thus, it's the only thing they know of that can harm a WW until this episode when it seem valyrian steel can kill them too. And they've got a lot more dragon glass than valyrian steel. Jon's got the only vs sword at the wall. And the only other 3 pieces of weaponry we've seen are Jamie/Brienne's sword, Joff's sword, and Little finger's dagger.

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Fire works on the wights, but not the white walkers.

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566. "Up until your post I didn't even know there was a difference"
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between wights and white walkers.

as such, I didn't know that fire worked on one and not the other.

I'm guessing this was a book detail that was left out of the tv series.

  

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567. ""What works" is just inferred in both mediums"
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We're learning as the characters learn so there's no full and concrete truth of it yet - Sam learnt Dragon Glass worked against Walkers by stabbing one out of desperation and Jon *just* learnt that Valyrian steel works... this hasn't been covered in the book AFAIK because nobody's had a chance to hit one with a Valyrian blade yet.

Wights Vs White Walkers was explained in the first series when the two rangers' bodies are found, taken back to Castle Black and then re-animate as Wights and attack Jon and Lord Commander Mormont - they discover they're flammable by throwing a lamp at them after stabbing/chopping bits off doesn't have much of an effect.

Sam finds something or other in Maester Aemon's library that explains the WWs can reanimate the dead.

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554. "Re: Rickon"
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near the beginning of Season 3, he went off with Osha to seek shelter with the Umber House. He hasn't been shown or mentioned since.

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555. "If it makes you feel any better...Book readers have no idea either"
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Rickon is the Sasquatch of Westeros at this point.

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548. "A Giant can become a White Walker right?"
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553. "wight vs. white walker."
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wights are the zombies.

white walkers are the demon warriors.

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550. "Now that was some shit."
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No one expected a major battle sequence in Episode 8... loving the play with structure D&D are doing here.

  

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552. "550 posts... anyone else interested in a new thread? n/m"
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559. "There's only two more episodes for the season."
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Let's ride this thread out for the season's completion.

  

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560. "This thing could clear 800 posts by the end of the season"
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especially if, as the actor for Podrick Payne put it, episode 10 "breaks the internet"


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562. "200+ posts as result of two episodes?"
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I'd almost want to see that. I don't browse this site via a smart phone, so the large page load wouldn't bother me.

  

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563. "Meh, some exaggeration there...."
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OR IS IT

  

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568. "hide ya kids hide ya bastards"
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cause they roasting everybody out here

  

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569. "Stannis just became the biggest piece of shit in the seven kingdoms"
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i was certain that shit would never happen

  

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570. "Ramsay fault..."
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Yeah, he beat out Meryn Trant. How is that even possible tonight.

I knew it the minute he sent davos away. Davos knew it too.
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574. "right?!"
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>Yeah, he beat out Meryn Trant. How is that even possible
>tonight.

  

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583. "Well, if Davos didn't let Gendry go..."
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571. "The Unsullied are fucking useless."
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Jesus.

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572. "The sons of the harypy use the element of surprise"
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To gain an advantage. In a fair fight the unsullied might stand a better chance. Then again Dario was taking care of business.

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575. "They're untrained rich dudes in masks!!!"
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Not a fucking SEAL Team! Dany better rethink marching these bitches into King's Landing. Shit, even her dragon ran from the 1%ers!

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576. "Yeah it's really been the riduculous part of the SOH story"
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as intense as that shit was, there's no reason a bunch of Tagg Romneys should be doing this much damage.

  

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577. "The Unsullied are an outnumbered occupation force"
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Why wouldn't the SOH be able to beat the Unsullied in a sneak attack on their home court?

I have to imagine that the SOH are made up of former Mereen police and military, as I'm sure Mereen had such institutions that were established by the rich, for the rich so its not just rich kids.

Besides that, it wasn't like the entire Unsullied was at the coliseum for the fights.

Mereen is basically GoTs Iraq.

  

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578. "it's also probably a lot of fighting pit champs getting paid."
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I've come around to the unsullied getting beat up on in the environments they have been. As others have pointed out they're trained in a super specific type of combat and it's basically the only thing in their heads, period.

they basically held their own as a wall around the Queen, they took a lot more numbers than the Harpys did. standing in a line is what they were made for.


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579. "The Unsullied are basically the British redcoats "
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They are great and nearly unstoppable in an open field of battle but they are not an occupation force or built to fight a gorilla force. The Unsullied are trained to win wars and defear armies in the open field of battle, not occupy cities or police the streets.

Besides, as you said it appeared the Unsullied were killing more SOH compared to Unsullied being killed by the SOH. It seemed like the Unsullied were outnumbered 6-1 but they were holding their own, especially when they formed that circle around Dany.

  

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608. "Yep, this - think British in India"
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95% of the time they're able to keep the peace/balance of power, but when they got surrounded by angry mobs, they ended up getting massacred multiple times by relatively normal/untrained people.

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613. "She'll be riding in with the Dothraki presumably."
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I think that is who she'll encounter in the next episode. Fitting that she'll come full circle if she meets the next Khal.

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573. "man, i was just gonna say this. goddamn they suck"
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581. "that's one thing i've really hated about the show this season."
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the Unsullied used to be some badasses before this season.

suddenly, they look like how'd i'd look out there in hand to hand combat.

it's the inconsistency that is irritating.

also, where's Grey Worm? is he still laid up recuperating?

  

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585. "When was this because I must have missed it"
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>the Unsullied used to be some badasses before this season.

When have the Unsullied ever been tested in a big battle scene?

  

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586. "maybe i'm not remembering correctly, but during their travels TO..."
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Mereen i believe they fought and fought well. also, everyone believes the Unsullied are the fiercest warriors.

perhaps though, by granting them their freedom, Daenerys softened them up because they were definitely thugged out when we first saw them (i'd be on some thug shit too if someone castrated me).

  

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587. "I only recall them killing their masters, which they easily killed"
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I don't remember them actually fighting a real army or military force on their way to Mereen.

  

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601. "RE: maybe i'm not remembering correctly, but during their travels TO..."
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>(i'd be on some thug shit too if someone
>castrated me).


Wouldn't going through with that procedure mean you'd lose your source of testosterone, which was make you less of a 'thug' in a sense, at least I'd think so.

  

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584. "The Unsullied aren't built for guerilla tactics"
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592. "they don't seem built for much of anything"
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they're tough and feel no pain, but they have zero instinct. they might as well be robots

  

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580. "I find the SOH and Unsullied anger funny"
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The Unsullied are s conventional fighting force that are used to fighting battled in the open fields. They are not a police or occupational force. It is not surprising at all that the SOH are able to cause havoc and best the Unsullied in close quarter fights and ambush attacks.

Mereen is GoTs Iraq and Dany was a naive GWB who thought she would be welcomed as a liberator and wouldn't face any resistance.

  

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598. "i can dig this"
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>Mereen is GoTs Iraq and Dany was a naive GWB who thought she
>would be welcomed as a liberator and wouldn't face any
>resistance.

  

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582. "That was alot..."
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So arya has a decision to make. The thin man or Meryn. Meryn is so fucking digusting. She brought three fine ass chicks out and his sick as settled for the little who probably works in the kitchen,

Dorne was a shit show. There has to be one more shoe to drop.

So that was ramsay's play. Well done.

Burned horses and burned little girls. I needed davos to stay or kidnap them, but that's not this show. Even the lunatic mother broke. SMH. At this point I need to white walkers to take out stannis and the boltons.

The fighting pit stuff was good. The sniping on the grandstand. The setup, and the stuff of legends.

Poor jon snow. The saddest rescue ever. Everybody still hates you. Even Olly.


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588. "If I were Jon..."
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>Poor jon snow. The saddest rescue ever. Everybody still hates
>you. Even Olly.

I'd be telling everyone who could hear me "motherfucker we barely escaped from a zombie army... fucking ZOMBIES yo"

  

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591. "Even the giant seem broken..."
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>
>>Poor jon snow. The saddest rescue ever. Everybody still
>hates
>>you. Even Olly.
>
>I'd be telling everyone who could hear me "motherfucker we
>barely escaped from a zombie army... fucking ZOMBIES yo"
>
>


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599. "Had the exact same reaction... "
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even poor Wun Wun was beaten down

  

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597. "Jon Snow needs to work on his delivery when giving bad news"
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When talking to the Wildlings and telling them he killed Mance Rayder with an arrow to the heart he really should have prefaced it with the context that Mance www being burned at the stake so he put him out of his misery.

Jon should have called the entire Nights Watch together and said, "see that giant that walked through the gates, well even with him helping us fight the white walkers we still had to run!" He needs to explain that they just fought a bunch of zombies.

  

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589. "The level of disrespect Mr. Khaleesi was served was crazy."
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>The fighting pit stuff was good. The sniping on the
>grandstand. The setup, and the stuff of legends.

I mean damn, at least try to sell this farce of a marriage. Dario was extremely out of line and she's sitting there enjoying that shit. Instead of trying to stroke his ego, he should've been checking out the crowd. At first, I thought zo Loraq had something to do with the set-up, but they got him too.

And the Baratheon crew, ugh. Melisandre enjoyed that shit. I wouldn't be surprised if his Army turns against him.

  

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596. "He had it coming.."
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>
>>The fighting pit stuff was good. The sniping on the
>>grandstand. The setup, and the stuff of legends.
>
>I mean damn, at least try to sell this farce of a marriage.
>Dario was extremely out of line and she's sitting there
>enjoying that shit. Instead of trying to stroke his ego, he
>should've been checking out the crowd. At first, I thought zo
>Loraq had something to do with the set-up, but they got him
>too.
>


Showed up late and acting shady. Then sitting up there acting all privileged. Pretty bloodthirsty for a dude who was begging for life in that cell. Glad somebody shivved him.

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600. "i'm pretty sure he arranged the attack but became an unknowing..."
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victim because SOH thought they couldn't REALLY trust him since he is aligned with Daenerys so they thought they'd take out two birds w/ one stone.

  

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590. "one thing i haven't heard anyone touch on is consequences for Arya."
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you know, in the house of B&W there's been a lot made about your lies being believed to be truths, and when Jaqen asks Arya about the Thin Man, she tells a lie that he obviously sees right through.

i wanna know if/how that will come back to haunt her.

  

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593. "is Jorah not contagious?"
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or do you have to be a full blown stone person to pass it on?

  

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594. "I think you have to touch the grayscale..."
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He keeps his arm heavily covered, so no one ever sees, let alone touches it.

  

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595. "that makes sense"
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602. "the only thing that really annoys me about the Dorne scenes"
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is Keisha Castle Hughes' perma-scowl. she's had this ridiculous expression the whole season:
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605. "lol, she's a bitter ass character tho. "
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How else would she look?

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606. "so is her, mom but she has more than one expression"
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she mean muggin' more than a Black Thug #1 in a Sopranos episode lol

  

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607. "I hate Ellaria's shoulder pads more than anything in Dorne. lol"
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603. "."
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609. "An Heirless Stannis sounds like a recipe for disaster now."
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So, what, you finally get onto the Iron Throne and then realise you've got nobody to hand it down to because you burnt your only heiress, your wife's barren, your mistress only bears demons and as soon as you die Westeros is going to be thrown back into chaos?

Good one, Stannis.

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612. "He needs the throne first before worrying about an heir."
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Absolutely shortsighted, but, for a man who values duty higher than anything else, what other options does he have? Assume Mel's plan wasn't an option.

  

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616. "The Iron Throne is insignificant once the Walkers come a knocking."
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617. "Well, WE know that... Stannis doesn't though."
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And assuming the Walkers are defeated somehow, someone's still going to end up on the Iron Throne

  

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619. "Stannis of all the suitors of the throne knows that better than anyone"
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He's spent time at the wall and spending that amount of time at the wall and with Jon if no one else even has a clue about the Walkers, Stannis does.

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620. "Definitely agreed, but either way..."
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someone's still going to sit on the Iron Throne at the end of the day, Walkers or no Walkers.

To Stannis those aren't mutually exclusive goals.

  

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720. "I can agree with that"
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610. "So they blew the CGI budget in the 8th episode, huh?"
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"Hey dudes, we don't have any more money...but we DO have the guy who did the visual effects in the Neverending Story to get Dany on the dragon...cool?"

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611. "the amateurish looking green screen work was disappointing"
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such a great episode and then those final half-assed CGI scenes draw my attention away from the epic storyline. wish they would have shot/composed that differently. i imagine it will improve moving forward though.

  

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614. "hahaha I had the same exact thought watching that scene"
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what a terrible shot of her on the dragon.

  

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615. "So apparently the finale's leaked..."
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NOBODY TALK ABOUT IT BEFORE BROADCAST TIME YOU FUCKING HEATHENS

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618. "HBO's really fucked up this season with the leaks"
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Yeesh

  

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621. "the episode hasn't leaked but some big spoilers have"
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i'm not touching them with a ten-foot pole bc i'm a book reader too and apparently there are book spoilers from TWOW in there too..

basically someone on 4chan put up 4-5 screenshots of scenes that contain key spoilers, claiming they come from a leaked copy of episode 10.

but episode 10 is nowhere to be found online. speculation is that the screenshots come from the "Inside The Episode" features that air after the show does. those often get sent out to journalists early, so they have some material to work off as they watch the episode for reviews.

this link has more info on the "leak", and the bottom of the page has the screenshots which i have not looked at, because there's a big warning before them that it will spoil not just the show but also the future books.

https://winteriscoming.net/2015/06/12/possible-game-of-thrones-season-finale-spoilers-leaked/

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622. "so will you avoid Episode 10 then?"
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if you're worried it'll have spoilers from TWOW?

  

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623. "nah i won't go that far, just don't want to have it spoiled before"
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i actually get to watch it play out. especially just off a few screenshots.

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624. "I'll wait until Sunday. No rush."
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The show is a sunday night event.
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625. "FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK...."
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yupyupyupyupyupyupyupyupyupyupyupyupyupyup

  

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626. "RE: FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK...."
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Gadamn I don't even know what to say about that one

  

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627. "So as I understand it, the books are caught up with the show now, so..."
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They will be able to stop doing the open comparisons online?

Also, SPOILERS for that episode...

























That's not going to stick, right? The story for him/her is definitely not over yet.

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628. "Can tittywitch bring him back?"
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i was thinking she could do that thing like dude from the brotherhood without banners when the hound killed his boy. as soon as Olly came in, you knew it was all bad.

Stannis got off easy. I'm surprised only half his men left. Why the fuck would anyone want to fight for the king who burns his own little girl?

Aria is a G and a half

So much shit happened in this ep

  

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634. "I mean, that's the speculation. "
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No one really knows. Until Martin publishes the next book or the next season start, whichever comes first.

I'd REALLY be surprised if that was the end of Jon Snow.

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640. "I doubt it. She fraud magician status now."
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Other than renly who has she got.

She's worthless. Even she knows it. Burned Bolton banners on the ground. That's what the fire showed you. Not the 20 man ambush, not the fleeing sellswords, not utter defeat. And she ran. Lol


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646. "nah she misinterpreted her vision but she's still got magic"
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i think she brings him back

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654. "Which vision?"
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>i think she brings him back

Unless you giving her credit for Joffery, Robb, and Balon (who is still alive).

She is a fraud. She saw nothing before the fact, just stayed on message. Hell, even the half the sellswords leaving with the horses caught her off-guard.

One smoke pussy monster and we're just going to ignore the colossal failure she was part of. My hope is next season Davos takes her out in the first scene.



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655. "she's proven her magic to be real a bunch of times..."
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this definitely shows it's not flawless and she doesn't know everything but she's not just some con artist.

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656. "When? "
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1. Renly

2. ?
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669. "If there's anything you should have learned from watching..."
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is that nothing is black or white in GoT.

She can have powers without being omnipotent and she can be flawed without being a fraud.

  

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684. "lmao. nigga yadda yadda'd the pussy smoke monster."
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that's pretty major, no?

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714. "Lol nah bruh..."
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Y'all yadda yadda yaddaing all that other shit she came up empty on.

Like it never happened. It's good though. Hopefully Jon fares better than Stannis.
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668. "yeah i don't think she's inept as much as overconfident in her skills"
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that her vision was more of a long game that included her fuckups, but still somewhat legit.

even if pussymonster is the only thing that panned out, it's enough that i wouldn't write her off just yet.

  

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683. "Sounds like a rainmaker to me..."
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But fair enough. I have no book knowledge of the character. And it could be the same w cersei's prophecy. Some of it has happened, and some of it is coming down the road. And like a true believer he heard what he wanted to here.

I just know watching that scene she flipped and did a 180. From the lord of light has made the weather favorable to let me get the hell out here and flee.

I get the other thing as well. Nobody wants to accept what ended the episode and need to hope something else can prevent it. We've seen one dude who believes what she believes resurrect somebody so people desperately want her to do it. Even though she's never done it before.
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629. "That episode was Arya cool and then an endless sea of middle fingers."
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630. "For the first time, I'm happy the season is over."
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Don't know if I could have taken many more Sundays like that.

I was really stunned by the last death since there were so many fan notions around that character.

Kudos to Lena Headey for filming that scene. It was another one of those "Man, they're going to just keep showing this, aren't they?" moments.

This was a tough season to power through and at this point, it feels like it's foolish to hope for hope on the horizon.

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641. "that scene was LONG"
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>Kudos to Lena Headey for filming that scene. It was another
>one of those "Man, they're going to just keep showing this,
>aren't they?" moments.

It still bothers me that the Lannister Army/Kings Guard were too intimidated by some monks with hammers to rescue the Queen.

Watching Cersei scorching the earth next season could be fun tho.

  

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647. "yup still makes no sense to me..."
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>It still bothers me that the Lannister Army/Kings Guard were
>too intimidated by some monks with hammers to rescue the
>Queen.

At first I understood not wanting to start a war for the one dude being arrested assuming they could reason with them to get him off but once everybody else got locked up and now this...nah...King's Guard should've been over there with an army fucking all those monks and their followers up

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649. "that scene was WAY TOO LONG, totally unnecessary to show basically the"
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whole walk... I would've rather spent an extra 5 minutes so many other places

  

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657. "nope."
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it was necessary.

  

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645. "That scene..."
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was the reason why we never got a Lena Headey nude scene in the series up until this point.

> Kudos to Lena Headey for filming that scene. It was another one of those "Man, they're going to just keep showing this, aren't they?" moments.

  

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658. "body double.."
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She is/was preggers at the time of filming. Saw it in the EX piece and it made sense seeing it last night. They were being coy with the spoiler.


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662. "Ah interesting, just read that myself"
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It was several seasons back where I read they weren't doing Cersei nude scenes to have more impact for her walk of shame.

Definitely wouldn't want a preggo Cersei doing that walk though, hahah

  

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631. "well.... i didn't see that coming"
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i kept waiting for something else to happen then the credits started rolling.

r.i.p. to the realest g of them all.

  

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632. "That finale left me feeling empty."
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I get it, people with noble motivations tend to catch Ls, but damn man. I just don't think that ending was needed.

Even Arya caught the L.

Meh.

  

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633. "One death too many. I think I'm done. "
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That was the one non negotiable character for me and unless some sort of resurrection occurs..... fuck know this show at this point, especially after sitting through a little girl get burned at the stake last week.

  

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635. "That little girl is going to be the savior for Jon Snow"
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Red Mel is going to bring Jon back, why else would she be back at the Wall.

Jon Snow is going to lead the Wildlings to take back Winterfell, thus making Red Mel's prophecy of Bolton banners burning come true.

  

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636. "I also think they foreshadowed with the last Arya scene."
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I'm willing to hypothesize that whatever's behind the Many Faced God and the Lord of Light is the same thing. We've seen the former put forward the possibility that anyone can become anyone, and we've seen the latter literally bring someone back from the dead (repeatedly).

They lingered on his face too long, Snow'll be back. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was a late-season reveal.

Maybe I'm wrong but it just seems...I have hope, which is weird for Game of Thrones.

Anyway, even assuming Snow's death is canon I'm way more curious about what's up with Dany. I can't remember if things ended poorly with the Dothraki or they just kind of peaced out when they were tired of wandering behind a non-Dothraki Queen. So I have no idea immediately after watching if that was an ominous scene or as ambiguous as I interpreted it.

Plus her and Drogon interacting was some of the most fun that Emilia Clarke's got to have maybe all series.

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648. "Dothraki wanted to kill her at the end...so it's not good"
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i'm guessing she dropped her Drogo ring in hopes that they don't recognize her.

If you recall there are rival Dothraki crews so even if the ones that left in the early seasons didn't hate her (they do), these other ones would want to kill her for being Drogo's widow.

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638. "was thinking Davos might kill Mel right then and there"
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>Red Mel is going to bring Jon back, why else would she be
>back at the Wall.

can't see Davos letting that bitch run free after killing Sharee.

Also, refresh my memory, has Mel resurrected anyone previously?

  

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644. "Not Mel, Thoros of Myr did..."
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when he res'd Beric Dondarrion after his fight with the Hound

  

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664. "Davos doesn't know, at least not yet that Mel killed Shereen"
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All Davos knows is that Stannis was defeated and that Shereen died at the hands of the Boltons.

Now Davos may find out later from one of the sell swords that left what truly happened and then kills Red Mel.

  

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637. "Tryion's my only breaking point"
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and as peeps have been saying, there's a somewhat decent chance this isn't the end of him

but then again, i'm still in denial that the hound is dead.

  

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660. "They can't kill Tyrion"
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Not without letting us get a full season of him, Varys, Grey Worm and Missandei attempting to run Mereen.

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639. "Wasn't the explicit purpose of Arya becoming a faceless man"
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so she could train to carry out her assassinations?

  

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643. "Yes. But impartial assassinations"
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It's a half cult; they don't kill for sport, personal gain etc.

While the dudes death was well deserved, it DEF. was for personal gain which is why they punished her. Probably in their eyes was was the same as her murking someone for their gold.

It's going to be interesting what happens to her from now on...is she going to stay there and really go all in the cult to become a mega-assassin...or is she going to leave and find her own way.




>so she could train to carry out her assassinations?
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679. "before all that we need to find out if she can even see."
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or, if she can't see she gains some kind of ESP that's equivalent to sight.

  

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686. "Jaquin had no problem killing for Arya when she needed to escape"
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>It's a half cult; they don't kill for sport, personal gain
>etc.
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690. "That was due to him owing the Many Faced God a debt of three"
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When Arya saved him and two others from certain death.

He didn't kill for his own personal gain, he killed to repay the debt that was owed.

  

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697. "There's levels to this shit - Many Faced God Bible"
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>When Arya saved him and two others from certain death.

  

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712. "right. forgot about that."
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nm

  

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642. "This season felt like cersei's walk of shame"
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Just one long relentless slog to a bloody end.

I don't even remember who is still alive at this point.
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650. "I asked this in GD but I don't get the Crows at all..."
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why let Jon through the Wall with the wildlings only to kill him. Would've made more sense to just leave them out there in the cold if they were so pissed about it. Wasn't enough Wildlings to do any sort of damage in a stand-off and they obviously didn't care about Jon anymore. Instead, they now let them through and have Wildlings south of the wall that give zero fucks about them and only have allegiance to Jon Snow.

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687. "the timing also struck me as weird "
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maybe having samuel and maester aemon out of the way made this the opportune time

  

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651. "After the walk of shame, how much sympathy did you feel for Cersei?"
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I'd say I probably had like a 4.5 on a scale of 1-10, until it was over and I went back to immediately hating her again. She frankly deserves even worse (not for the love which dare not speak it's name as much as for all of the innocent people she's imprisoned/tortured/killed.)

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653. "i wanted her to order all the monks killed when she made it"
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i'm still amazed nobody has set it off on them...they're just a bunch of dudes with clubs. as much as i complain about the Harpies being depicted as this unstoppable force, at least they are using the element of surprise and guerilla style warfare. these monks are hiding in plain sight...have imprisoned the queen and queen mother, and now this walk...how is this not worthy of setting off a war?

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659. "I'm guessing because they've got the city behind them"
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There's strength in numbers, and there's no way the Lannisters can take out all of their supporters.

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661. "Exactly."
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The show doesn't go too deep into it, but it was pivotal when Cersei casually re-armed the Faith Militant. Think of them sorta like the Knights Templar; it may be the common folk they represent but the ones actually wielding the weapons are seasoned soldiers and veterans. They're not just random monks, they've got the motivation, training, and numbers to back up their threats.

  

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663. "they can't be as deep as the royal army plus the Tyrell army though"
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i don't buy it

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665. "You are talking about starting a full on civil war"
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And basically destroying Kings Landing.

In this case the "enemies" aren't at the gates, they are inside the gates surrounding the Red Keep. Even if Tommon and Cersei called for reinforcements the Faith Militant could kill all the Gold Cloaks and other Lannister soldiers inside the walls and shut the gates to keep any approaching army out long enough to storm the castle and kill Tommen, Cersei, and all other nobility.

Cersei would have to do what the Mad King wanted to at the end of his reign, burn the city and all of its inhabitants to the ground in order to win this battle.

  

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670. "I'm just saying...if this isn't worth war then what is?"
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they've basically lost control of King's Landing to these monks. It's an invasion from within.

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666. "Thing is though..."
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there's precedent when it comes to a culture war between the Faith Militant and the royal family.

http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/ask-the-maester-the-tale-of-brave-ser-barristan-the-faith-militant-and-the-fighting-harpies/

This column goes deeper into it, but the gist is that a couple centuries prior the Targaryens in charge wanted to do Targaryen things; ie, marry themselves. The Faith Militant revolted, turning one of their temples in King's Landing into a fortress. An assassination attempt on the king and his family almost succeeded, another Targaryen took his place (Maegor the Cruel), who set about committing virtual religion-icide, by mashing on the Faith Militant in every ugly way possible. That war resulted in thousands of deaths on both sides, eventually leading to a peace treaty between Jahaerys Targaryen and the Faith Militant to put down their arms if the king pledged to protect their people.

That peace lasted about 150 years... until Cersei came along. So yes, it may seem like the Gold Cloaks and the Tyrells have a stronger army, but this potential war isn't being fought in an open field, it's happening in the streets of King's Landing... where the common folk have the advantage.

  

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671. "but at this point what's the alternative?"
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they've locked the Queen up, publicly humiliated the Queen Mother and are basically calling the King out? If they don't put a stop to this they might as well relinquish the Throne.

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672. "There might not be."
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You're right, this could basically spark a civil war inside King's Landing.

It's worth noting that after the War of the Five Kings in book 3 (seasons 3 and 4 of the show) the events leading up to Cersei's walk of shame are in a book called "A Feast for Crows".

Basically referring to all the players left after the war, trying to grab for themselves whatever scraps are remaining. Hence Cersei's shortsightedness in rearming the Faith Militant inside King's Landing's walls.

  

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675. "no argument there...it's def all her fault"
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I'm just amazed it's gone this far without blow back from the royal fam and it's allies

>Hence Cersei's shortsightedness in rearming the Faith Militant
>inside King's Landing's walls.

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667. "not sympathy as much as i didn't want those loons to be the ones"
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breaking her. so when she was locked up, and that nun lady was bullying her, i just wanted Cersei to make good on her word of being there when she died. Once she was doing the walk of shame, i didn't feel too bad for her because i knew she was going home, and I know she's just thinking revenge.

so all those people who smacked her around, and her cousin, and high sparrow... i want her to watch as frankenmountain snaps their bones.

Losing her daughter is gonna be far worse on her. She's just gonna blame Jamie, and Tryion

  

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692. "Exactly. She deserved all that and more - but not like this."
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709. "Absolutely zero. none. I can't think of a fate horrible enough to sympat..."
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652. "Bad season that ended strongly"
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It had blatant flaws:

Sand Snakes sucked except the sexy one (and even then it was more about the titillation and the Bronn assist)
The Sansa torture-o-thon
Briennes’ aimlessness


But despite all that, even with the misery porn deaths, we ended up in a good place storyline wise. The storyline has moved heaps forward…we literally killed a few storylines off (R.I.P. Stannis). While unfortunately the characters we have to root for is down to pretty much no-one, it’s a leaner meaner show now with one exception…does Dany really need a separate damsel in distress storyline?

  

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673. "If Jon is indeed really dead in the show, it's a terrible decision"
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All the other "shocking" deaths advanced the story, they hurt emotionally as a viewer, but they made sense... this doesn't...

Two episodes ago in arguably the best scene in the show's history we get Jon surviving the white walkers, they make it a point to show how he caught the Knight kings attention, and then we show him kill one of the head white walkers, concluding with the epic stare down... All that for what? Nothing? At that point I think we all hoped this was the preview of the real big final climax at some point... Jon vs the Walkers...

Based on everything the creators and Kit Harrington said today I do believe he's not coming back. They have not went out of their way to publicly throw curveballs. They didn't just say Jon was dead they said Kit's done on the show. They were not even ambiguous in their response. I think they also wanted to make it clear that Jon shared the info about the valyrian steel killing the walker, which he did with Sam.

I'll keep watching, and probably keep enjoying the show. But after 5 seasons you start to mainly be drawn to how you think something will end. Taking Snow out of the picture, especially with all the hype about his lineage, just removes a lot of my excitement going forward, to the point I don't care nearly as much with how everything comes to an end.

  

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674. "meh, wouldn't they say that regardless?"
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>Based on everything the creators and Kit Harrington said today
>I do believe he's not coming back.

I'm on the fence as far as him being resurrected or whatever (I'm with you on caring a lot less about the show if he's out though), but I don't think their declarations should be parsed that deeply.

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676. "Nah, Jon has been fucking up...he had to go."
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YES, as far as the stories events were concerned Jon was the main character right in the most important/major story line. Presumably the show is going to end with a showdown against the liches and in the past year he was made the head of the main army against them AND found out he got a magical sword. Until Dany gets her shit together he's clearly the main protagonist and the show had built him up as so.

BUT, as far as politics was concerned he sucked...just like Ned. He did a crappy job explaining why he did what he did

  

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681. "That last sentence was encapsulated in their meeting with Wildlings"
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Instead of saying "Mance was being burned, and I did him a favor of killing him quickly" this fool said "i put an arrow in his heart".

That story he told Sam should've been on some "everyone come hear how bad this shit just got out there" every single person should have that very real fear. Instead of just being like "they coming, so just believe me"

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677. "It absolutely makes sense."
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Jon made the same mistake his father did: looking big picture instead of trying to play the game. He said "fuck politics, I'm doing what's right for everyone" and he caught an L as a result. That's hugely consistent with the show, and it's been foreshadowed for weeks.

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680. "Factual"
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I think since we were all on his side w/r/t the real threat, it's easy to forget just how few people in the Watch agreed with him.

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682. "And it's easy to sit on the sidelines with the omniscient POV"
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but if wildlings have been killing everyone around you your entire life, then there's no way you're going to be comfortable with this sudden "alliance", zombie army be damned.

  

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678. ""I'm not going to be back next season" © Kit"
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which leaves the door open for a season seven return. that would be odd. apparently hbo signed the major players sign to seven year contracts. if that's true and he's not in the show next season but comes back the following year the entire situation would have to be uncharted territory for an actor in his position.

  

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685. "No. It's not uncharted at all. They did that for Emilie de Ravin on Lost"
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She was contracted to do season 6 even though she sat out season 5.

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691. "plus, even if he says Jon Snow is dead he doesn't have to be lying."
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because if/when he comes back he'll be Jon Targaeryn.

and how will he learn he's royal aside from Mel using Jon's own king's blood to bring him back to life? we got ol' Samwell Tarley going to Old Town to read all the reads and learn all the things...and he'll find out who Snow really is in one of those books.

  

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694. "This is where I'm at with it."
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Jon Snow is dead, and Kit won't be back next season, now the season after that, as a Targaeryan or perhaps a newly resurrected different kind of enemy?

We shall see...

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729. "Kind of agreed"
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I thought it was interesting that out of his sense of honor/respect/authority he showed dude no mercy in an earlier episode and had him beheaded, just like Ned Stark in the very first ep. So right there that could have been taken as foreshadowing. And for a while now they were building up the fact that he was running out of friends at the Wall, that being a good guy and trying to do the right thing was only making him one enemy after another (also like Ned).

BUT

Yeah there was so much back story missing with his character. He was probably one of the two purely "good" central characters left on the show, and among the small handful that majority of the audience was still rooting for. Plus there's all the junk with Warging or whatever, and the God of Light and Melisandre...if they don't bring him back, it seems like a waste of perfectly good setup. It would be a great way to revive the character everybody likes in a way that wouldn't feel like jumping the shark.

I don't know, they can do whatever and keep watching, but with him gone I kind of don't really care who else dies on the show now. I mean I guess I still like Brienne but somehow I doubt that she'll end up on the Iron Throne lol.

I feel like the whole point of the show was to get to a point where audiences find it incredibly intriguing even though they hate or are indifferent to all of the characters.

  

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688. "here's my problem if Jon IS dead"
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...what character do we follow at the wall?? Davos? Sam? The Red Woman?? all of them have NO reason to stay ( i think Sam is already gone)

...do we just stop with the white walker story for multiple episodes?? it makes no sense....

..anyway, can't wait to see what they do next season/book....

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693. "I suppose it would be Bran "
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He is North of the Wall but with his green seeing he could follow/track the White Walkers as they move further south. It appears the White Walkers are not far from the Wall already so we might not even have a Nights Watch or a Wall for much longer to follow because 60 Crows and a wall will not stop the White Walkers and the undead.

Assuming Jon Snow is resurrected, I doubt he stays at the Wall and just reassumes his duties as Lord Commander.

  

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689. "MAN FUCK THIS SHOW!!!"
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i kinda saw it coming with ollie shooting daggers with his eyes at jon all season so i knew something was going to come of that, but gotdamn i still was not prepared for this. i really thought jon was going to be instrumental in the big picture of the story arc and would make it through. i guess i should have known better, but still. damn you g.r.r. martin, you bastard!

so many people need to die now i can't even keep track. i need to start keeping a list like arya.

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696. "was great to see Varys"
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he'll get some legitimate info on the SOH, so they can figure out a strategy of either shutting them down, or cut their losses and just leave Mereen.

Also Meryn Trant was def one of the more satisfying deaths.

  

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698. "Okay, but here's the thing. Why are they staying in Mereen?"
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Who gives a fuck about the city now that Dany? None of them have any real attachment to the city or are even from there. Why try to rule these assholes? Why try to root out the Sons of the Harpy? Loot the city's coffers, buy the ships to go back to the Westeros and enough sell-swords companies to build and unstoppable army with the rest of the Unsullied, and bounce. Shit, have the two remaining dragons put all of the Mereen to the torch and call it a day. Tell Jorah and Daario to meet across the sea after they find Dany and Drogon. Makes zero sense to stick around.

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699. "She or someone told her, how can she rule Westors if she can't rule"
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Mareen properly?

She's learning how to be a proper ruler.

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701. "So Tyrion is going to rule it in her stead?"
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I think she pretty much made the decision that she doesn't want to rule that city when she got on the back of her dragon and bounced.

If nothing else, she's learned her lessons about ruling a city like that. That place is a lost cause. Burn it and move on. Like Jorah and Barristan had been telling her all along.

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704. "No nigga. She's gonna come back and whoop ass."
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She dipped on the dragon cause her life was in danger along with the life of her dragon who she didn't want to get murked.

She's gonna come back to viable information from Tyrion and Varys.

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700. "It's the day after."
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You're so outraged they're staying but what else are they supposed to do?

They're all in positions of relative power, their Dear Leader is lost to the ether and they're sending out a more-than-competent rescue party to find her.

No, it's not an ideal situation, but until either A) they find Daenerys or B) they don't find Daenerys, what else are they supposed to do?

It's unrealistic for characters to view themselves from the omniscient viewpoint of the Show Watcher Who Sees The White Walker Threat Coming.

  

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702. "First of all, LOL @ you saying I'm "outraged" over this."
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>You're so outraged they're staying but what else are they
>supposed to do?

I'm saying they've got no reason to stay and rule the city. What do any of them care about it? None of them are from there. They're loyal to Dany, not to the idea of ruling Mereen. Finding a way to bring peace to the city was her thing, not theirs. They can still be loyal to Dany and not care what happens to Mereen.


>No, it's not an ideal situation, but until either A) they find
>Daenerys or B) they don't find Daenerys, what else are they
>supposed to do?

Um, take the money, nuke the city, and move on?

>It's unrealistic for characters to view themselves from the
>omniscient viewpoint of the Show Watcher Who Sees The White
>Walker Threat Coming.

LOL, who said anything about the White Walkers? I'm saying from the perspective of characters there's no incentive for them to stick around and rule Mereen in her stead. The goal is Westeros. Not ruling Mereen.

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705. "It's in your tone."
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"Outrage" or outrage, you're clearly bothered at some level by the motivations of these characters that you can't honestly evaluate the show separate from the books.

The thing is, you're not necessarily wrong, but it's affecting your analysis


> I'm saying they've got no reason to stay and rule the city. What do any of them care about it? None of them are from there.

I agree that they individually have no reason to rule the city. But while *some* don't care, it would be fair to say Missandei and Grey Worm are far more invested in Meereen than the other three.

> They're loyal to Dany, not to the idea of ruling Mereen. Finding a way to bring peace to the city was her thing, not theirs. They can still be loyal to Dany and not care what happens to Mereen.

Agreed on all counts. Again, I reiterate: it's the day after. They don't know if Daenerys is coming back, so why not wait to see if she will? Why are you so offended by their attempt to recoup in Meereen until they see how Daenerys' absence plays out?

> Um, take the money, nuke the city, and move on?

And this is where your analysis is so unsound. How exactly are they going to "take the money, nuke the city, and move on"? Jump on Dany's dragons? Sneak out money in their pockets from these supposed coffers (which are probably owned by the disgruntled slave masters)? Call in the Air Force?

Honest question, what feasible way could they "take the money and nuke the city"? And even if they DID go to Westeros, who would care about a disgraced knight, some random sellsword and the shitty Lannister? Is Tyrion supposed to command the Unsullied? Why would Grey Worm care about Westeros if it's not Daenerys leading him? None of these things make sense, book or show.

> LOL, who said anything about the White Walkers? I'm saying from the perspective of characters there's no incentive for them to stick around and rule Mereen in her stead. The goal is Westeros. Not ruling Mereen.

I added that to call you out on your desire to see the show as *you* see fit, not on how it's progressing. Daenerys' goal is Westeros, but you're blanket-applying that to every single character when that isn't relevant to their motivations or situation.

No duh Meereen isn't the endgoal. But ain't shit happening for them in Meereen or Westeros without Daenerys. So no, taking the money and "nuking the city" isn't exactly an option.

  

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706. "LOL @ my "tone" and "calling me out". Dude, slow your roll."
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I'm sorry that the fact I didn't like this season is somehow personally offending you. I didn't like it. You can. Bully for you. I don't judge you for it. But you seem intent on "calling me out" because my opinions don't align with yours.

Don't make assumptions on what I "desire" to see on this show or not. I want it to be good. Or failing that, be better than it is right now. They get to that point, then I'll say so. But this season was bad, and any deviations they made or didn't make are ancillary to that.

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708. "Like I said, I'm not trying to make you like the show."
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I'm not really trying to change your opinion on whether or not the show divergences make sense, or are well done.

But you're over here calling out the Meereen crew for not NUKING THE CITY. With DRAGONS.... that aren't theirs. Like, in no universe of ASOIAF does that make sense.

Using reasons like THAT to bash the show make no sense.

But if you're calling out the Dorne scenes... perfectly fine, I'll be there with you (for most of those).

  

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710. "if she cant get it together there, she's not fit to rule"
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at least in the eyes of the world. she's the queen with a giant fearless army and 3 dragons who got chased off by locals in masks.

plus she's vested at this point. i think with the skills of Varys and Tyrion she's got a shot at finally actually stabalizing the place, then she can think about moving on if she still wants that.

What kind of pissed me off was Jorah trying to pull rank on Tyrion. Yeah Tyrion's new to the group, but damn you'd think Jorah'd be just a little humbled by getting banned twice, and not start trying to run shit the second he's allowed back in the door... with his diseased arm and shit
EDIT: just remembered Tyrion advised her to kick him to the curb him the second time, so i guess i see where some bad blood would come from lol

  

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703. "So the Boltons and High Sparrow Won Season 5 right?"
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Didn't we endure all the tragedy of Season 5 so that we can see Ramsey & Roose Bolton eat it!!!!!

The fact they won at every single turn (did they catch any Ls) just wears my soul out.

Also High Sparrow in my eyes has proven himself to be the absolute most sophisticated player in the game of thrones right now because he is the only one playing it without actually admitting that he is playing it. Mama Tyrell tried to get him to admit he was playing the game and he wouldn't.

I've been wondering since the dude first appeared if he was BS or sincere and I've been guessing since.

However, the walk of shame is one of the most brilliant (and twisted and sick) power plays we have seen to date. High Sparrow has completely destroyed House Lannister in way that none of the army's have been able to do so far. After the queen mother has been paraded around the street like that, no one will ever see the Lannisters as a legitimate source of power.



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707. "^^^ sharp ^^^"
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I could talk for days about High Sparrow theories. Some strong circumstantial evidence out there on his (eventual) role in the show.

As for the Boltons, I think they're going to be a slow burn. At the end of the day Martin still roots for the good guys, and he's (hopefully) got some twisted shit in mind for them. I mean, even though everyone was rooting for Arya to kill Joffrey, he did go in pretty horrific fashion.

  

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711. "High Sparrow winning by default though"
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The small council has never been so lacking in sharp minds. They've had Tywin, Varys, Tyrion, even Littlefinger. All people who know how the game is played, and even with those brilliant minds, they faced challenges.

Now you've got checker playing Cersei who's so dumb she GAVE the high sparrow this power he's running with. Pycelle who is only about himself, uncle Kev who we haven't seen much of anything from, and fucking Mace Tyrell who is about as clueless as a human being can get. crazy doctor might be skilled in his own way but he's no war time consigliere.

The Lannisters once boasted Tywin who was the most powerful fucker in the world, Jamie who was the baddest fighter around... even Joffrey might have even been more effective than his wussy brother who's strategy is to lock himself in his room. Yeah Joffrey probably would have handled this poorly left to his own temper, but even he wouldn't have been dumb enough to cede power to these people in the first place.

  

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713. "the way he hit her with the second trial was very telling"
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718. "The Faith Militant is the Taliban"
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Cersei armed them to take out her enemy, but you can't control religious extremists.

  

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728. "WWE needs to pay serious attention to GoT at the moment."
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These slow burn angles have the people going CRAZY - what other show riles people up like this? Building monster heels over multiple years, teasing the good guy wins only to take them away time after time before Hulk Snowgan finally slams the Giant and drops the Big Leg at Wrestlemania.

They must love the way the web blows up every time they let a heel win.... and Kit Harrington clearly knows all about kayfabe*.

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715. "Do we want to talk about that musical score during the final scene?"
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You know, the overhead push in when jon is dying and the music goes from sad/hopeless to an (for lack of a better term) ambiguous soundscape. There are a couple tonal shifts in there as well that are meant to convey something.

There was meaning behind that score, ino

  

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722. "Yep I agree"
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725. "i noticed something"
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but i can't call it
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716. "So what the hell happened with Sansa and Theon?"
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They didn't really just commit suicide by jumping off a wall. Is the snow supposed to break their fall or some bs? It didn't make sense to me. They're just gonna turn around and jump, both deciding that's the best thing to do with no communication between them? Wtf was that? Very strange way to leave off, I really don't think they are dead/hurt,just a strange thing to happen in that moment.

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717. "Remember that they are kids of Winterfell."
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719. "bran fell from a taste higher than they strategically jumped"
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I think they could pull it off with a snow bank

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721. "Hopefully Theon breaks his legs and Sansa leaves his ass"
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Then Ramsay finds him and b rings him back home for more flaying, flogging, whatever else gets Ramsay duck hard. TheonTheon didn't redeem himself as far as I'm concerned so he can just go back to being Reek as far as I'm concerned. He did quite a bit to fuck the Stark kids and nothing he can do will change that for me.

  

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that they knew would break their fall. Thats how I took it, didnt have the scared face look of we are gonna commit suicide

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724. "Devil's advocate"
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Maybe they didn't have any kind of fear in their eyes because death was a better fate than living another day kept by Ramsey.

I think they're probably alive, too, but I think it was pretty ambiguous.

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727. "it would be a very odd choice if they decided to spin it"
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as a suicide...it just wouldn't make sense given the way everything played out. it def felt like an escape and was made to seem as one they just didn't bother explaining how it played out.

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730. "Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're going to survive"
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But I think it works as an ambiguous note to end their S5 on.

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731. "http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EksaafuZhl0"
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EksaafuZhl0

They'll be fine.

  

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732. "rolled through this post for recap"
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bring on season 6!

  

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