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"Fantastic Four (Trank, 2015)"
Thu Aug-06-15 11:00 AM by Frank Longo

  

          

Miles Teller as Reed Richards
Kate Mara as Sue Storm
Jamie Bell as Ben Grimm
Michael B. Jordan as Johnny Storm

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/miles-teller-kate-mara-fantastic-four-1201099921/

After a final rewrite to the script and a long casting process, Fox looks to have assembled the team for its �Fantastic Four� reboot.

Miles Teller, Kate Mara and Jamie Bell will join Michael B. Jordan in the latest installment in the comicbook franchise.

Mara recently closed a deal to play play Sue Storm/The Invisible Woman. While no offer is out yet, Bell is expected to be tapped to play Ben Grimm/The Thing. Teller has an offer to play Reid Richards/Mr. Fantastic, but deal points are a little further away from being completed.

Teller and Mara have been on Fox�s radar since they were expected to test in November � events that were pushed when Simon Kinberg came on for the last polish on the script.

Bell came into the mix after Fox resumed screen tests.

Jordan has been attached for some time to play Johnny Storm/The Human Torch.

Based on the comic �The Ultimate Fantastic Four,� the contemporary update will focus on the characters as young men and women. Josh Trank will helm the pic with Kinberg, Matthew Vaughn and Gregory Goodman serving as producers.

With its four leads on board, Fox will now try to find its villain and hopes to test a handful of actors in the coming weeks.

�The Fantastic Four� is slated to bow June 19, 2015.

Teller is repped by CAA, Mara and Bell are repped by UTA and Jordan is repped by WME.

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Oof.
Feb 20th 2014
1
does this mean we'll never see
Feb 20th 2014
2
i think rights to both reed richards and namor ...
Feb 20th 2014
4
      Nah, Namor's rights are with Universal.
Feb 26th 2014
32
*cast
Feb 20th 2014
3
Is it weird that I have no problems with this cast?
Feb 20th 2014
5
Bell doens't fit Grim's build, but we'll wait....
Feb 20th 2014
6
RE: Is it weird that I have no problems with this cast?
Feb 20th 2014
7
I have one: why isn't Sue Storm black?
Feb 20th 2014
8
because the casting folk didn't seem concerned about casting
Feb 20th 2014
9
:)
Feb 20th 2014
13
because if one-half the FF was black
Feb 25th 2014
29
I guess the problem for most people is their ages? I dunno.
Feb 20th 2014
11
Yeah, the age is precisely my problem.
Feb 20th 2014
15
      That's fair
Feb 20th 2014
16
cast is wack as hell
Feb 20th 2014
17
50/50
Feb 20th 2014
10
Given that the other 2 movies suck, this cast sounds OK to me.
Feb 20th 2014
12
Mara says, if it's true, nobody's told her yet.
Feb 20th 2014
14
i mean thats just out and out wackness--
Feb 20th 2014
18
How you feel about Hank Pym being a grandfather?
Feb 20th 2014
19
      i dont care for it--
Feb 20th 2014
20
      Doesn't matter, now they can do flashback movies of Pym...
Feb 21st 2014
21
Miles Teller is absolutely awful
Feb 23rd 2014
22
^^^ didn't see The Spectacular Now. Or Rabbit Hole.
Feb 23rd 2014
23
actually, i did see the spectacular now...
Feb 26th 2014
30
He's early Vince Vaughn without half of the appeal.....so he's like...
Feb 23rd 2014
24
      ^^^ also didn't see The Spectacular Now
Feb 23rd 2014
25
           Seen the beginning. Fell asleep. He was in douchebag mode...
Feb 24th 2014
26
                You guess correctly.
Feb 24th 2014
27
                     RE: You guess correctly.
Feb 24th 2014
28
                     I'll give it a go. I've heard he's good in some indie flick....
Feb 26th 2014
31
Eh, not so fast??? *swipe*
Mar 14th 2014
33
And then there was Doom (swipe)
Apr 01st 2014
34
Toby Kebbell as Doom
Apr 01st 2014
35
Choice is way better than McMahon.
Apr 01st 2014
36
they're aiming for the tone of the Raimi Spidermans
Apr 21st 2014
37
Um, the Raimi Spideys aren't grounded or realistic at all.
Apr 22nd 2014
38
I'm really tired of all this we gotta go darker/realistic shit
Apr 22nd 2014
42
the best part of ff4 is sci fi shenanigans
Apr 22nd 2014
44
A "gritty and realistic" movie about a stretchy man and a rock man?
Apr 22nd 2014
39
Yeah, nothing makes me eyeroll more than that shit.
Apr 22nd 2014
40
By this logic, no sci fi should be serious.
Apr 22nd 2014
41
      Oh, they *can* be gritty and realistic.
Apr 22nd 2014
43
      it also doesn't make any sense for this particular franchise
Apr 22nd 2014
46
      For me, the issue stems from source material.
Apr 22nd 2014
45
           I think Frank mentioned the key: be consistent
Apr 22nd 2014
47
                I want just one time someone to say.....
Apr 22nd 2014
48
The Fantastic Four Official Trailer (2015)
Jan 27th 2015
49
This movie has me VERY worried, but that trailer looked alright.
Jan 27th 2015
50
There's decent talent behind it. I'm not sure what people's problem is.....
Jan 27th 2015
52
      When you're right, you're right.
Jan 27th 2015
53
      My two cents on the fanboyRAGE...
Jan 27th 2015
56
      It was a progression
Jan 27th 2015
58
      They've seen how Fox handles its superhero properties.
Jan 27th 2015
59
I trust those involved and that trailer looked good
Jan 27th 2015
55
My baseless suspicion on the reshoots is that...
Jan 27th 2015
57
      Every superhero movie has reshoots.
Jan 27th 2015
60
           Every MOVIE has reshoots.
Jan 27th 2015
61
                Now, if they said they were doing, say, MONTHS of reshoots... lol.
Jan 27th 2015
62
at least it looks better than fucking antman.
Jan 27th 2015
64
      Both are teasers. You can't tell anything from either.
Jan 27th 2015
65
So, the parents & Johnny are black & Sue is adopted huh?
Jan 27th 2015
51
Yes she's adopted
Jan 27th 2015
54
Apparently the look of the film is inspired by Cronenberg...
Jan 27th 2015
63
Word? I was already intrigued by the look of the trailer.
Jan 28th 2015
66
Agree with this:
Jan 28th 2015
74
oh jesus fuckin christ.
Jan 28th 2015
75
Reply with just a subject: ANT MAN or F4
Jan 28th 2015
67
No way of determining actual quality from brief teasers.
Jan 28th 2015
68
      No, I just mean as a fun bet
Jan 28th 2015
71
           Due to studio reliability, Ant-Man.
Jan 28th 2015
73
the teaser is fine but i'm not basing how good the end product
Jan 28th 2015
69
I will forever bring up two teasers:
Jan 28th 2015
70
      RE: I will forever bring up two teasers:
Jan 28th 2015
72
marvel studios already made the movie FF shouldve been
Jan 28th 2015
76
Second trailer. Looks generically decent so far.
Apr 19th 2015
77
Official link:
Apr 19th 2015
78
Trailer #3
Jul 14th 2015
79
So how is it?
Aug 06th 2015
80
I liked it for the most part. Third act is hella weak.
Aug 06th 2015
81
Any mid/end credits scenes?
Aug 06th 2015
82
No.
Aug 06th 2015
83
Gonna pass on the flick but thanks for this
Aug 06th 2015
86
Ah, the issue with sticking with "origin" movies
Aug 06th 2015
88
Yup it started out really well...ended abruptly
Aug 16th 2015
132
9% on RT?! Yikes! That's worse than Pixels
Aug 06th 2015
84
I can't believe it's actually this bad
Aug 06th 2015
85
      Not to mention the other two FF's
Aug 06th 2015
87
      Nope...it's way better than GL and Wolvie
Aug 16th 2015
133
Josh Trank blames studio for bad reviews
Aug 06th 2015
89
waah.
Aug 07th 2015
90
Not to mentioning signing a deal with *Fox* of all studios.
Aug 07th 2015
91
Trank Blank on FF Tank. Gets Spank on his Flank.
Aug 07th 2015
94
Let's Speculate on the Future of the Fantastic Four Franchise.....
Aug 07th 2015
92
RE: Let's Speculate on the Future of the Fantastic Four Franchise.....
Aug 07th 2015
93
On one hand I think Fox could just decide to sell it to Marvel
Aug 07th 2015
96
Read someone's idea on Twitter the other day
Aug 07th 2015
97
They still have the X-Men franchise in decent shape
Aug 07th 2015
99
Don't do Doom right away. Make it funny (-er).
Aug 09th 2015
109
the f4 suck. Doom is the only good thing.
Aug 13th 2015
127
Why is Sue Storm always so hot in the movies?
Aug 07th 2015
95
It's much better than you've heard, but the finale is AWFUL.
Aug 07th 2015
98
At what point did the geek press turn on this?
Aug 07th 2015
100
Geek press doesn't like change.
Aug 07th 2015
101
Isn't it a pretty faithful version of the Ultimate comics?
Aug 08th 2015
104
I've come to realize most FF fans have no idea what UFF is about.
Aug 09th 2015
111
      That's because there's a large collection of fans...
Aug 09th 2015
112
      That wasn't a stab at fans. More surprise on my part.
Aug 09th 2015
114
      I havent read comics regularly in at least 10 years
Aug 09th 2015
115
Nah, it's faithful to UFF, which "geeks" enjoy
Aug 10th 2015
116
      I remembered hearing about the hacker stuff.
Aug 10th 2015
117
when the last two sucked
Aug 08th 2015
103
from the announcement. nobody wanted this movie
Aug 08th 2015
105
seemed like there was cautious optimism for awhile
Aug 08th 2015
106
going to see this with my son tomorrow
Aug 08th 2015
102
Yeah its only the third act that wasn't that great
Aug 08th 2015
107
      watched it this afternoon and it is not horrible
Aug 09th 2015
108
Man, it wasn't 9% bad, c'mon...
Aug 09th 2015
110
RE: Man, it wasn't 9% bad, c'mon...
Aug 11th 2015
121
9% isn't how good the movie is...
Aug 11th 2015
122
It's pretty much 0% on OKP.
Aug 13th 2015
125
doesFF really need origin / exposition at this point?
Aug 09th 2015
113
Yes.
Aug 11th 2015
123
a correct origin / exposition of Dr. Doom is needed
Aug 13th 2015
126
RE: Fantastic Four (Trank, 2015)
Aug 10th 2015
118
the "superhero burnout" misnomer must be other studios
Aug 10th 2015
119
      This writer at Grantland gives a good explanation of the burnout idea
Aug 15th 2015
129
           I like Harris, but he's been pumping that agenda for years.
Aug 16th 2015
130
                yes, I really hate that notion of genre fatigue
Aug 16th 2015
131
The last 30-40 minutes are hot garbage. The first two thirds are decent....
Aug 10th 2015
120
That's where I started falling asleep, earlier today.
Aug 11th 2015
124
Act 1 and 2 were pretty bland. Act 3 is piping hot diarrhea
Aug 14th 2015
128
I was expecting worse honestly
Aug 20th 2015
134
This wasn't bad, not the best but not the worst superhero movie
Dec 24th 2015
135
Would love to read the original script
May 09th 2016
136
I didn't like the 3rd act
May 09th 2016
137
I honestly thought his set-up wasn't bad here.
May 09th 2016
138
      I'll be honest I have a really difficult time separating my comic
May 10th 2016
139
           According to Devin, the original script was a lot more involved
May 10th 2016
140
           Yeah, you can see above, I definitely shared your skepticism.
May 10th 2016
141

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1. "Oof."
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>
>Miles Teller as Reed Richards
>Kate Mara as Sue Storm
>Jamie Bell as Ben Grimm
>Michael B. Jordan as Johnny Storm
>
>http://variety.com/2014/film/news/miles-teller-kate-mara-fantastic-four-1201099921/
>
>After a final rewrite to the script and a long casting
>process, Fox looks to have assembled the team for its
>Fantastic Four reboot.
>
>Miles Teller, Kate Mara and Jamie Bell will join Michael B.
>Jordan in the latest installment in the comicbook franchise.
>
>Mara recently closed a deal to play play Sue Storm/The
>Invisible Woman. While no offer is out yet, Bell is expected
>to be tapped to play Ben Grimm/The Thing. Teller has an offer
>to play Reid Richards/Mr. Fantastic, but deal points are a
>little further away from being completed.
>
>Teller and Mara have been on Foxs radar since they were
>expected to test in November events that were pushed when
>Simon Kinberg came on for the last polish on the script.
>
>Bell came into the mix after Fox resumed screen tests.
>
>Jordan has been attached for some time to play Johnny
>Storm/The Human Torch.
>
>Based on the comic The Ultimate Fantastic Four, the
>contemporary update will focus on the characters as young men
>and women. Josh Trank will helm the pic with Kinberg, Matthew
>Vaughn and Gregory Goodman serving as producers.
>
>With its four leads on board, Fox will now try to find its
>villain and hopes to test a handful of actors in the coming
>weeks.
>
>The Fantastic Four is slated to bow June 19, 2015.
>
>Teller is repped by CAA, Mara and Bell are repped by UTA and
>Jordan is repped by WME.

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2. "does this mean we'll never see "
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new avengers stuff?

reed richards/illuminati infinity gems stuff?

  

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4. "i think rights to both reed richards and namor ..."
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are owned by fox fox. the others are all marvel. so unless they found credible replacements for those two, it wouldn't be done. the infinity stuff is all marvel.

  

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32. "Nah, Namor's rights are with Universal."
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3. "*cast"
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5. "Is it weird that I have no problems with this cast?"
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I don't get it. Assuming Bell's not going to look like Jamie Bell after Grimm becomes the Thing, I don't see what's so bad about these.

Granted, I'm not too familiar with Miles Teller as an actor, but is he the problem?

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6. "Bell doens't fit Grim's build, but we'll wait...."
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7. "RE: Is it weird that I have no problems with this cast?"
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>I don't get it. Assuming Bell's not going to look like Jamie
>Bell after Grimm becomes the Thing, I don't see what's so bad
>about these.
>
>Granted, I'm not too familiar with Miles Teller as an actor,
>but is he the problem?


fanboys are stank ass bitches always finding reasons to complain and not one OUNCE of film has been shot yet.

i mean they're really demanding that the filmmakers find a way to "lighten" Jordan up so he can appear biracial;

Bell bulk up to be the thing;

Teller needs to thin out;

Mara is too skinny to be Sue and she's ugly as fuck etc.

What the fuck? Who thinks up such fucking idiocy?

Can they SHOOT the movie first?

as for Sue and Johnny:

The writers can easily explain how he and Sue are siblings (step siblings or one or both of them are adopted) and be done with it.

or, not address it at all...I can't remember if they address Evans and Alba being siblings in the movie since Alba is CLEARLY not White

they complain about EVERYTHING and it's fucking ridiculous.

my FB is littered with grown ass MEN arguing over the casting and debating each other down...good lord.

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8. "I have one: why isn't Sue Storm black?"
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9. "because the casting folk didn't seem concerned about casting "
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a black actress.

Because I'm sure:

Jurnee Smollett
Yaya Alafia (nee Yaya DeCosta)
Tiffany Hines
Naomie Harris
Sanaa Lathan (if sue was skewed older)
Tracie Thoms

weren't available to audition. NOT

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13. ":)"
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>a black actress.
>
>Because I'm sure:
>
>Jurnee Smollett
>Yaya Alafia (nee Yaya DeCosta)
>Tiffany Hines
>Naomie Harris
>Sanaa Lathan (if sue was skewed older)
>Tracie Thoms
>
>weren't available to audition. NOT


oooh, Naomie Harris..... Oh, what could have been.
>
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29. "because if one-half the FF was black"
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the studio would be afraid of reducing the film's demographics both in US/Canada and beyond.

Artistically speaking, a black Sue Storm makes sense. Business wise, given the racism of many of the major theatrical markets, they're going to play it overly safe.

Casting Michael B. is as far as they'll go.

  

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11. "I guess the problem for most people is their ages? I dunno."
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And apparently Kate Mara is an awful actress in everything except what I've seen her in.
And apparently people think Ben Grimm will be 5'7" in a rubber suit.

I dunno.

Somehow, nobody gnashing their teeth over a 70-year-old Hank Pym, but hey.

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15. "Yeah, the age is precisely my problem."
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All these young people are good actors. I just don't dig, conceptually, the young people F4.

Maybe I should give the comic this one will allegedly be based on a spin so I can feel a little better about it.

But it's hard to shake the feeling that this will in no way resemble the F4 I grew up loving. Which is... tough for me to swallow initially.

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16. "That's fair"
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I'll reserve judgement when we know more about how it's going to line up. Personally, I'm excited to see a young Fantastic 4, but I can see why others would not be.

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17. "cast is wack as hell"
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10. "50/50"
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>Miles Teller as Reed Richards

Certainly no tough task for Teller to top Gruffudd. He seems suited more to follow up Evans Storm but maybe they're going in a different direction altogether this time. If Miles is still on his mini Vince Vaughn steez I'll probably pass.

>Kate Mara as Sue Storm

Just started watching House of Cards...the more Mara the better (Rooney or Kate)

>Jamie Bell as Ben Grimm

Tintin as Ben Grimm? No k

I know he's tried the tough guy thing before but I'm not buyin it

>Michael B. Jordan as Johnny Storm

Storm sibling spin off plz

  

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12. "Given that the other 2 movies suck, this cast sounds OK to me."
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Now granted, I thought Chris Evans was perfectly cast as Johnny Storm/Human Torch. I didn't know much about the dude who played Mr. Fantastic, but he was fine.

I never mind seeing Alba in anything (despite her being a 'meh' at best actress), and Chiklis is a personal favorite of mine, but they both were miscast and didn't fit into the roles at all.

So, I'm not disregarding this just yet, b/c I like Kate Mara and Michael B. Jordan, and don't know a lot about the other 2. At this point, I'm assuming that Thing will be motion capture, so it doesn't matter who is playing his human form. But, it's as good as any honestly... What did we expect?

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14. "Mara says, if it's true, nobody's told her yet."
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Mara told MTV that she hasnt been told yet whether she got the part: According to Twitter, I am . I literally have not heard a thing, which is alarming. Last night in bed, I was scrolling through movie news. I was like, What? I got the part? I still havent heard. I want LA to wake up so that I can make some phone calls and figure this out I literally dont know 100 percent that I have that part.


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18. "i mean thats just out and out wackness--"
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if true

  

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but he was always going to be a background character anyway

  

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when there were no other heroes/agents operating, outside of Captain America during the war.

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He makes movies unwatchable.

  

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23. "^^^ didn't see The Spectacular Now. Or Rabbit Hole."
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30. "actually, i did see the spectacular now..."
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didn't like it either. i don't know what you're seeing in this dude, but he's extremely annoying to me. i haven't checked out the rabbit hole though.

  

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a young current Vince Vaughn

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25. "^^^ also didn't see The Spectacular Now"
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Don't blame 21 and Over and That Awkward Moment's shitty scripts on Teller. When given the material, dude can act his ass off.

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26. "Seen the beginning. Fell asleep. He was in douchebag mode..."
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in the parts I saw.

I'm guessing he learns how to not be a douchebag later in the movie.

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And he acts his ass off doing it.

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28. "RE: You guess correctly."
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>And he acts his ass off doing it.
-Yup yup, he was great.

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31. "I'll give it a go. I've heard he's good in some indie flick...."
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where he's a student Jazz drummer learning under Schillinger from Oz with some other white kids vying to be the next virtuoso jazz drummer,

Yeah all white jazz drumming movie.

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33. "Eh, not so fast??? *swipe*"
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http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/03/14/fox-looking-to-dump-fantastic-four-director-screenplay-and-recast-six-months-before-they-are-due-to-shoot/

Fox Looking To Dump Fantastic Four Director, Screenplay And Recast, Six Months Before They Are Due To Shoot (UPDATE)
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Ive learnt from a rather well-connected source that, as the title says, Fox is looking to dump Fantastic Four director Josh Trank and the script by Simon Kinberg and are actively looking for replacements. Six months before they are due to shoot, for 2015 release.

Oh, yes, and there are now casting issues from the studio too.

No I dont know any more. Isnt that enough?

I know. Maybe they could ask their Official Consultant, Mark Millar

UPDATE: Screen Crush cites high level Fox sources denying this story. However we remain confident in our source. Bleeding Cool suggests that if Fox really would like to stomp on the rumour, they stop approaching folk to replace the director.

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34. "And then there was Doom (swipe)"
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http://variety.com/2014/film/news/toby-kebbell-fantastic-four-doctor-doom-1201125911/

Toby Kebbell to Play Fantastic Four Villain Doctor Doom (EXCLUSIVE)
By Justin Kroll
Film Reporter

Fox has zeroed in on newcomer Toby Kebbell to play the Fantastic Four teams arch nemesis Victor von Doom, aka Doctor Doom.

The role was chased by several rising stars, including Jack Huston and Domhnall Gleeson, before Fox targeted the Dawn of the Planet of the Apes thesp.

If a deal makes, Kebbell would join Miles Teller, Kate Mara, Michael B. Jordan and Jamie Bell in the reboot that plans to shoot this spring. Fox had no comment.

Based on the Marvel comic The Ultimate Fantastic Four, the contemporary update will focus on the characters as young men and women. Josh Trank will helm the pic with Simon Kinberg, Matthew Vaughn and Gregory Goodman serving as producers.

The Fantastic Four is slated to bow June 19, 2015. A second installment is due in summer 2017.

Kebbell, whose long list of strong supporting roles include War Horse, The East and Legendarys upcoming adaptation of Warcraft, is repped by CAA and Independent Talent Group.
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35. "Toby Kebbell as Doom "
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Surely Toby Kebbell is better known for the films such as Dead Man's Shoes, Control and RocknRolla where he actually does something. In the films mentioned he has such minor roles.

  

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36. "Choice is way better than McMahon."
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37. "they're aiming for the tone of the Raimi Spidermans"
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the F4 should definitely be grounded and realistic...

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2014/04/21/fantastic-four-reboot-will-aim-for-tone-of-sam-raimis-spider-man/

Marvels First Family gets another shot at big-screen success next summer with director Josh Tranks Fantastic Four reboot. Like it or not, the film is coming together, with a cast that includes Miles Teller as Reed Richards, Kate Mara as Susan Storm, Michael B. Jordan as Johnny Storm and Jamie Bell as Ben Grimm.

Its a young cast, and a young director and to hear writer Simon Kinberg tell it, its going to be a young story, with the idea to focus on the formation of the Fantastic Four.

Were treating this as the origin of the Fantastic Four, he told Crave Online, so in future movies youd have them on sort of splashier adventures to some extent but in this one we tried to ground the science as much as possible and make it feel like it could take place in our world before it cantilevers into other worlds.

Kinbergs comments go beyond the scope of Fantastic Four, as he also touched on the tone of the film. According to the writer, the new Fantastic Four movie will be somewhere on the spectrum between Spider-Man and Chronicle.

Josh Tranks instincts are to be as realistic and grounded and real with this stuff as possible. In many ways I would say its definitely more of a drama than comedy, he said. Its still in the direction of Spider-Man. Its not like Dark Knight. And even Chronicle has a lot of fun in it.

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38. "Um, the Raimi Spideys aren't grounded or realistic at all."
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I don't think that comparison is right.

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42. "I'm really tired of all this we gotta go darker/realistic shit "
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For movies involving flying people with superpowers

  

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44. "the best part of ff4 is sci fi shenanigans"
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>the F4 should definitely be grounded and realistic...
>
>http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2014/04/21/fantastic-four-reboot-will-aim-for-tone-of-sam-raimis-spider-man/
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>Marvels First Family gets another shot at big-screen success
>next summer with director Josh Tranks Fantastic Four reboot.
>Like it or not, the film is coming together, with a cast that
>includes Miles Teller as Reed Richards, Kate Mara as Susan
>Storm, Michael B. Jordan as Johnny Storm and Jamie Bell as Ben
>Grimm.
>
>Its a young cast, and a young director and to hear writer
>Simon Kinberg tell it, its going to be a young story, with
>the idea to focus on the formation of the Fantastic Four.
>
>Were treating this as the origin of the Fantastic Four, he
>told Crave Online, so in future movies youd have them on
>sort of splashier adventures to some extent but in this one we
>tried to ground the science as much as possible and make it
>feel like it could take place in our world before it
>cantilevers into other worlds.
>
>Kinbergs comments go beyond the scope of Fantastic Four, as
>he also touched on the tone of the film. According to the
>writer, the new Fantastic Four movie will be somewhere on the
>spectrum between Spider-Man and Chronicle.
>
>Josh Tranks instincts are to be as realistic and grounded
>and real with this stuff as possible. In many ways I would say
>its definitely more of a drama than comedy, he said. Its
>still in the direction of Spider-Man. Its not like Dark
>Knight. And even Chronicle has a lot of fun in it.

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39. "A "gritty and realistic" movie about a stretchy man and a rock man?"
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40. "Yeah, nothing makes me eyeroll more than that shit."
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41. "By this logic, no sci fi should be serious. "
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Not sure why comic movies aren't allowed the same range of expression as other genres. Not sure they all gotta be popcorny, quippy shit. It can be serious and still fun. Like a lot of other science fiction movies.

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43. "Oh, they *can* be gritty and realistic."
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It just happens to be the most boring choice du jour for comic book filmmaking. Because, inevitably, they will want to have their blockbuster cake and eat it too, resulting in an awkward clash of tone and execution.

In my ideal world, my Fantastic Four movie strikes a tone not too dissimilar from the first Captain America film. Almost shockingly earnest.

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46. "it also doesn't make any sense for this particular franchise"
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Batman is dark and gritty so that made sense...F4 is not that at all.

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45. "For me, the issue stems from source material."
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Not all comic book movies has to be silly fun. I have no problem with serious comic films (though I will say, a lot of the time, they tend to take themselves TOO serious, and then they just don't work). But when the source material is something loose and fun and the first thing someone says is "We wanted to take that out of it and make it more realistic," well then... you don't want to do that property.... you want to create your own idea and just have the benefit of the brand name.

Being bright and campy and fun fails too. Look at GREEN LANTERN. It's not like one way is an immediate success and the other a guaranteed failure. But I will say, tone is important. And if you cop the wrong tone, a lot of the flaws in the source material are exposed.

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47. "I think Frank mentioned the key: be consistent"
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Kinberg's comment was horribly worded but the scariest thing about it was the whole "It's serious and grounded but not Dark Knight grounded, more like Spiderman (which as Frank mentioned wasn't grounded at all) but it's going to be realistic but fun, Chronicle still was fun!"

I'm very nervous that Trank and Kinberg's visions are aligned which is always a problem in Hollywood.

I also don't like Kinberg's lack of commitment to the tone. Saying that this will be grounded and then it'll fly off in other directions. Personally, I'd love to see a more realistic take on this and then a more realistic take on an heroes vs. alien invasion. (It's pretty much what I was hoping Agents of SHIELD would be.)

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48. "I want just one time someone to say....."
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..."we ain't groundin' shit." lol

I think it's just sound bites. They know what they have to say to elicit a certain faith. To say "grounded and serious" is essentially just saying "No Batman '66."

And yeah, the consistency is definitely the thing. Again, bringing up GREEN LANTERN, that was one of my(many) complaints. It didn't know what it wanted to be; a Ryan Reynolds comedy or a serious action movie.

Honestly, I think a lot of the people that make these films are embarrassed to be associated with "comic books." Even if they are fans, they're trying to sell it as "I mean, it's gonna be fun.... but I'm not just making a kids movie."

Much as I can't stand him, Max Landis raised a good point on twitter last week shitting on creators who are still trying to "deconstruct the comic superhero." He was talking about how that is ALL anyone does any more. It was cool in the 80s and 90s when it was fresh and new and no one had ever seen anything like it. That's why 89 BATMAN was so fresh. XMEN as well. Nolan's BAT films. We've seen it. It's been done. Well, I might add. But now it all seems monotonous.

ps - I hate that every one of these films goes out of their way to mute the colors. I hate that color red on the Superman outfit. I hated it on the Spiderman outfit. I hate the blue on both of em, and the blue they use for Mystique and Beast. Sorry. Pet peeves.

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49. "The Fantastic Four Official Trailer (2015)"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI2J9ixAZdw

  

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50. "This movie has me VERY worried, but that trailer looked alright."
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I mean, it's in the same group as Terminator: Genisys, Jurassic World, and Ant-Man, in that they could either be pretty cool or completely disappointing, but this trailer was cooler than those 3, IMO anyways.

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52. "There's decent talent behind it. I'm not sure what people's problem is....."
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Just surprised it was better than I thought.

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56. "My two cents on the fanboyRAGE..."
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I think part of it is that fans (well, comic fans) were highly disappointed in the first two films, and rightly so. Despite the things it had going for it (Evans, Chiklis, Torch/Surfer CGI), it still couldn't be saved from the horrible script, wooden acting (Alba, Gruffud), cheesy sequences (Reed in da club), and the neutered, metal face, electro-Doom. I'd argue much of the worst parts of the first films were rooted in steering away from the source material (e.g., electro-Doom as part of the "fateful flight," cloud Galactus, Surfer's power in his board, Sue as scientist), in addition to the bad script and action sequences.

With that said, I personally, think fans have overreacted too much in their disdain for the film. But given what we know about the canon liberties they're taking – blogger Victor Domashev instead of dictator/wizard Victor Von Doom, fateful dimensional travel instead of fateful space flight, containment suits instead of costumes, etc. – I can sympathize. I am certainly willing to give the film a chance, at least based on promising trailers. And just because the previous filmmakers changed things for the worse, doesn't mean that these will.

Long story, short, I think the rage stems from the mistreatment of the property in the previous films.

  

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58. "It was a progression"
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First people didn't like the dark and gritty approach for Fantastic Four.

Then there was a lot of bad buzz about the script and production. I believe there was some talk of Trank being taken off the movie.

Then the picture of Dr. Doom was released and most people thought it looked goofy. And people also weren't blown away with the idea that Doom was now a computer blogger.

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59. "They've seen how Fox handles its superhero properties."
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And they're scared.

The talent is all there. There's reason to hope. I like Trank, I love all of the actors.

But when I see that Fox logo, on TOP of my love for the original property and my natural and totally understandable resistance to massive changes? (No, I'm not talking about MBJ here, since he's the one in the entire cast who fits my idea of the character the best.)

I get scared.

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55. "I trust those involved and that trailer looked good"
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I liked the casting choices when i heard them, hearing about reshoots makes me turn my head a little but still doesn't worry me.

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57. "My baseless suspicion on the reshoots is that..."
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...the suits weren't happy with the raw sci fi movie that they came up with. I get a talky Ang Lee Hulk vibe from Trank and Kinberg's interviews (which I liked, so I don't mind). Prolly asked them to go out and shoot a cloud fight or two.

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60. "Every superhero movie has reshoots."
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The reshoots shouldn't be reason for concern at all. I'm pretty sure every single superhero film has had reshoots.

The difference is that this one has had all of the negative buzz, so everyone says "RESHOOTS OMG IT MUST BE AWFUL." When, really, reshoots shouldn't affect anyone's perception of the film, good or bad. My understanding is that reshoots are insanely common on a project of this magnitude.

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61. "Every MOVIE has reshoots."
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But yea, JT has gone on record to say that the reshoots are minor and only lasted four days.

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62. "Now, if they said they were doing, say, MONTHS of reshoots... lol."
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That would be different.

But, nearly always, reshoots are only a "negative" if the film already has bad buzz and one is looking for reasons to be worried.

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64. "at least it looks better than fucking antman."
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65. "Both are teasers. You can't tell anything from either."
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51. "So, the parents & Johnny are black & Sue is adopted huh? "
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63. "Apparently the look of the film is inspired by Cronenberg..."
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Particularly Scanners and The Fly.

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66. "Word? I was already intrigued by the look of the trailer."
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Low key this will probably be better than Ant Man.

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74. "Agree with this:"
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>Low key this will probably be better than Ant Man.

I agree you can't tell shit from teasers or trailers (for the most part), you can still play pick 'em based on the teasers and what we know about the projects.

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75. "oh jesus fuckin christ. "
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67. "Reply with just a subject: ANT MAN or F4"
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Which do you have being better. Because I see a lot of you doubting the studio (Marvel) that has not delivered a turd (missteps or things you might not have liked like the rest, sure. But no turds) against a studio that has yet to get a single thing right with this franchise and just released a trailer that shows they still don't get it.

I want this movie to be good. This teaser actually looked better than I thought it was going to look. But I don't think that speaks to the quality of the teaser as much as it does how little I thought of this project.

So, ANT MAN v F4. Who you got?

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68. "No way of determining actual quality from brief teasers."
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Blindly, due to Marvel's and Fox's respective track records, I'd go Ant Man. But a teaser, as I've said time and again, is zero indicator of quality, good or bad.

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71. "No, I just mean as a fun bet"
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I see a lot of people across the internet comparing the two. So just going off of these two teasers and the parties involved, in your mind which do you think will be the better film?

Speaking of teasers, a friend of mine had a fun little rant in response to the idea "It's just a teaser" that I wanna share here:

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73. "Due to studio reliability, Ant-Man."
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But it's just a guess. The teasers told me nothing.

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69. "the teaser is fine but i'm not basing how good the end product"
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will be based on a teaser.

the elements are there but until i'm watching this movie, i'm not basing it's future shittiness or greatness on ONE TEASER.

Plus, I have no idea which one will be better: Ant Man or the FF reboot.

They could BOTH be awesome, they could BOTH BE SHIT, or they could BOTH BE MEDIOCRE AS FUCK...

we'll find out this summer.

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70. "I will forever bring up two teasers:"
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Superman Returns and Battle: Los Angeles.

Two of the best trailers I've ever seen, much less teasers.

Both movies are not good. Battle: LA was the worst movie I saw that year.

Teasers give us nothing. Really, trailers don't either. Seen plenty of bad trailers for good movies and vice versa.

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72. "RE: I will forever bring up two teasers:"
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>Superman Returns and Battle: Los Angeles.
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>Two of the best trailers I've ever seen, much less teasers.
>
>Both movies are not good. Battle: LA was the worst movie I saw
>that year.
>
>Teasers give us nothing. Really, trailers don't either. Seen
>plenty of bad trailers for good movies and vice versa.

pretty much. teasers and trailer don't give you anything OTHER than the promise of a decent movie if that.

so let's just wait and see how the final product is when it comes out this summer.

and miss me with the "oh it's going to be a hit because of________" when there is no guarantee at all of it doing well in the summer.

so we can have Trank, Jordan, etc. and that won't mean shit if they movie indeed tanks...

but until then, ONE teaser isn't nearly enough to go on to prove how good or how bad this movie will be.

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76. "marvel studios already made the movie FF shouldve been"
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Even took their villains

So now fox has a FF inspired by David Cronenberg lol

  

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77. "Second trailer. Looks generically decent so far."
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78. "Official link:"
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79. "Trailer #3"
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80. "So how is it?"
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Is it as skippable as the trailers make it out to be?

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81. "I liked it for the most part. Third act is hella weak."
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For some reason no one can get the FF vs. Doom showdown correctly.

But for the most part I enjoyed this. It's miles head and shoulders above the previous movies.

Problem is most of the team doesn't get a chance to shine properly before or after the transformation especially Ben Grimm/The Thing.

I think if they keep going in this direction, the team we have here could be used much better in a sequel as this is what the film is building to the whole time: a better movie. The movie plays out as a highly enjoyable set-up for the real Fantastic Four movie we should've gotten this time out.

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83. "No."
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86. "Gonna pass on the flick but thanks for this"
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>this be played over the credits as
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88. "Ah, the issue with sticking with "origin" movies"
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132. "Yup it started out really well...ended abruptly"
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Just as it was getting interesting it just stopped. The set up amd back story was really well done though. Ended up feeling like a premiere ep to a mini series

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84. "9% on RT?! Yikes! That's worse than Pixels"
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Word of mouth ain't even good. I was slightly skeptical, but there's no way, I'm seeing this in the theaters.

  

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85. "I can't believe it's actually this bad"
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Green Lantern's at a 26% on RT. Origins Wolverine is a 38%. Amazing Spiderman 2 even got a 53%. This is really THAT much worse than all of those?

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87. "Not to mention the other two FF's"
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27% and 37%.

  

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133. "Nope...it's way better than GL and Wolvie"
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89. "Josh Trank blames studio for bad reviews"
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90. "waah."
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sorry the evil studios didn't give you free reign to make your auteur masterpiece. what a surprise when you sign up for a major comic book superhero movie with only one major release under your belt.

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91. "Not to mentioning signing a deal with *Fox* of all studios."
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Their track record with superhero movies ain't exactly sterling.

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94. "Trank Blank on FF Tank. Gets Spank on his Flank."
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92. "Let's Speculate on the Future of the Fantastic Four Franchise....."
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So the reviews say the joint sucks despite the best efforts of Miles Teller and Michael B. Jordan who are supposedly pretty good despite the dialog. Of course, that's the critical feedback. We'll have to wait a few days to see how it did at the box office (which if it does well makes most of the following moot)

So do you think Fox lets the rights revert to Marvel with no compensation?

I think that's unlikely given that Marvel has done its best to tank the FF by and irritate Fox by cancelling the monthly comic book and not allowing any merchandising to be done for FF or X-Men movies.

So do they shoehorn the characters into their X-Men properties? Seems like that would be a mismatch since the FF usually deals with cosmic foes and inter-dimensional threats. Can't remember them ever really getting in on mutant hijinks.

Of course they could do a "lending" deal like Sony did with Marvel and Spider-Man. You can use the characters, co-produce the films, but Fox retains the rights and the profits. But at this point does Marvel need the FF? And would they do that deal without trying to wrangle a few X-men characters out of Fox?

Lastly, I'll just say, maybe the FF just don't need their own film series. Every character can't really carry a multi-million dollar film franchise (see: Hulk). If I'm Marvel and I ever get the rights back, I make the FF supporting characters in my stronger franchises. Spider-Man is like peas and carrots with the team and Johnny Storm's best friend. Maybe they make an appearance in the second or third Marvel Spider-Man movie? That seems ideal to me.

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93. "RE: Let's Speculate on the Future of the Fantastic Four Franchise....."
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>Lastly, I'll just say, maybe the FF just don't need their own film series. make the FF supporting characters in my stronger franchises

This is the route they "should" take, I still don't get how they will try push them together with the X-Men. We just now got them back on track.

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96. "On one hand I think Fox could just decide to sell it to Marvel"
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They'll figure they can make money selling the characters back to money, then pocket it or sink it back into their X-movies, which do well for them. It also them to focus on the X-franchise and plan for X-movie life after Hugh Jackman.

But part of me thinks they'll just decide to make Marvel wait five years until the rights expire, just because the two companies hate each other. Which will probably work for Marvel anyway, since they've got their releases planned out until like 2020 anyway.

Or Fox could just hold onto the property and just say "Fuck it," and try to integrate them into the X-world and go ahead with the already greenlit sequel. Or they could always do a third reboot in a few years.

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97. "Read someone's idea on Twitter the other day"
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Have it start in the 1960's, and have the trip that gives them their powers result in some kind of time hop that leaves them displaced in the present day. You've got four heroes still filled with space race and JFK-era optimism finding their place in a different age.

Might not work as well if they revert back to Marvel Studios (as the MCU already has Captain America doing the same sort of thing,) but I could see that being entertaining. Although Cap being the ones to show them the ropes in the 21st century would make for a hell of a running gag.

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99. "They still have the X-Men franchise in decent shape"
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I think they might be okay with letting their license/option quietly die.

  

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109. "Don't do Doom right away. Make it funny (-er)."
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Lead toward Galactus (giant man, not a space cloud). Introduce Skrulls. Cast various age actors for the main roles. Give it back to Marvel for the tv rights to X-Men. Hell, let a fan write it.

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127. "the f4 suck. Doom is the only good thing."
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thats why their movies suck.

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95. "Why is Sue Storm always so hot in the movies?"
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Jessica Alba or Kate Mara are super hot.

When they turn invisible I'm not thrilled - I get mad.

If they hired someone less attractive (or just plain ugly) I'd be way more stoked when she disappears.

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98. "It's much better than you've heard, but the finale is AWFUL."
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It's different for a superhero movie. Barely any action... but they're focusing on character, so I didn't mind in the slightest. All of the "changes" to the traditional characters? Didn't mind them at all. Tonal change from the "silliness" of the usual franchise expectation? Honestly, it's also fine-- Trank and the actors toe the line delicately, never letting it get "gritty" but keeping it a healthy distance from jokey and light. It just feels... grounded.

So we got to the hour, hour 15 mark, and I was genuinely thinking, "Wow, I'm going to like this Fantastic Four movie. What the fuck were people seeing?"

Then, the finale. It clashes SO violently with the rest of the film that it is laughably easy to see what happen: Trank was making a movie without much action, Fox got scared, and they mandated a cliched CGI finale. It doesn't match the rest of the movie at *all.* And the final scene? It all of a sudden gets jokey and corny, and the actors look like they have guns held to their heads.

I can't blame Trank for anything here, other than maybe thinking he could trust Fox to leave him alone as he makes a character-driven, mostly-action-free, big-budget superhero movie. The actors do as well as they can too, especially Reg E. Cathey, who rules as Franklin Storm.

If they'd just held their ground and made it primarily action-free, it'd have stood out from the pack and been genuinely interesting. Unfortunately, Fox gonna Fox, and that finale is really terrible and sort of tosses all of the goodwill it had earned with me out the window.

Still, it's not nearly as bad as people are saying it is.

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100. "At what point did the geek press turn on this?"
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Was it the first trailer?

  

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101. "Geek press doesn't like change."
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Trank was playing fast and loose with the canon in a huge way, so fans were (to be fair, understandably) skeptical. Then, when the reports of disputes on set came down? The pitchforks came out.

I was sure it wouldn't be good. I don't like Fox, I didn't like everything I'd read, and, while I hadn't seen a trailer, the poster didn't exactly blow me away. Unlike geek press, I went in with an open mind and found a lot to enjoy. You don't get clicks by enjoying something, however.

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111. "I've come to realize most FF fans have no idea what UFF is about. "
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112. "That's because there's a large collection of fans... "
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... who grew up with FF but stopped reading comics.

I admit to not having familiarity with UFF. I still grew up reading FF and would consider myself a fan. I'm also sure I'm not alone in this.

I'm also sure that there is a probably a large collective of young individuals who would call themselves geeks or superhero fans who don't read many if any comics at all anymore. I'd be astonished of most of the "geek" movie critics read the UFF comics or knew that they existed. It'd be Devin Faraci and, like, that's it.

Not to mention, regardless of their own nostalgia (which admittedly can be difficult to overcome at first, as shown by my comments above in this very post), the press/critics should be able to judge a movie on its merit, not by the production drama or what have you. There's plenty of merit in this film... it also just happens to have an abysmal ending.

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114. "That wasn't a stab at fans. More surprise on my part."
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Their reaction to the 'changes' (Why are they kids? Why aren't they in space? Why don't they stick to the comic? etc...) was so huge with so little rebuttal.

I'm only superficially familiar with their Ultimate FF origin really, but I figured FF fans would be all over it.

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115. "I havent read comics regularly in at least 10 years"
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the only reason I know about the Ultimate Comics is because of OKP.

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116. "Nah, it's faithful to UFF, which "geeks" enjoy"
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The "geek press" turned on it even before they said they were making it based on Ultimate FF, when it leaked that they movie was going to be a super hacker instead of wanna be world conqueror. Even though it turned out to be false, the well was already poisoned and everyone was super skeptical.

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117. "I remembered hearing about the hacker stuff."
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It's *barely* in the movie at all. So clearly Fox reacted to the press on that one.

I didn't know the phrase "geek press" meant exclusively the comics press. I thought it meant a lot of those nerd movie outlets, like SlashFilm and the like. Although maybe that's "nerd press" and that's different.

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103. "when the last two sucked"
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102. "going to see this with my son tomorrow"
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glad its not as bad as they are making it out to be. The boy wanted to see this or Pixels. I figured I was safer with this one. We shall see.

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107. "Yeah its only the third act that wasn't that great"
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but not completely terrible either, the 1st and 2nd half were completely fine to me as well. From what I hear the suits tried to get involved with the creative side of a film and of course they failed miserably.

  

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108. "watched it this afternoon and it is not horrible"
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critics are beating that shit up. I think they went in ready to bash it with all the problems it had in production. Like you said the 3rd act was not good. It was really rushed. Especially with the care they took in the back story and dealing with the science of the portal. Then bam new dimensions powers and a shitty finale. That fight was lame. But you know what I liked about the 3rd act. Doom was fucking people up. He was walking down the hallway KILLING people. That is something you dont get to see in comic book movies. There is hardly ever any blood and doom was exploding heads. But damn even my son was pissed he didnt have his mask. We were both like WTF! Also the dialogue was pretty shitty. So bad you had mediocre performances by good actors (Mara and Cathey) Im sure they did the best with what they had to work with but they are better than that. I liked the tone of the movie. It wasnt campy like the other Fantastic 4 movies. To bad so many of the jokes missed. FOX had a shot at a good movie here. To bad they fucked it up...again.

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110. "Man, it wasn't 9% bad, c'mon..."
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It didn't suck that bad. The cast was solid. The story in the first 2/3 was cool. Then they decided to introduce Doom. I'm not sure why they can't nail him. He's a Lex Luther with MF Doom's mask. That last act was rough. Honestly, this is Rotten Tomatoes 30-40% bad.

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121. "RE: Man, it wasn't 9% bad, c'mon..."
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>It didn't suck that bad. The cast was solid. The story in the
>first 2/3 was cool. Then they decided to introduce Doom. I'm
>not sure why they can't nail him. He's a Lex Luther with MF
>Doom's mask. That last act was rough. Honestly, this is Rotten
>Tomatoes 30-40% bad.

it wasn't? I'd put it at 20% bad because the movie was a mess.

they haven't gotten Doom right ever

the movie felt like watching three DIFFERENT movies put together that weren't cohesive...

the cast as a whole was meh after all the hype

for it being 100 minutes long, only 10, maybe 20 of those minutes were decent. that leaves a good 80-90 minutes of boredom and crap.

so no the 9% is incorrect but it's not anywhere NEAR 30-40% either. it's solidly a 20-25% horrible movie.

saying otherwise is ridiculous and speaks to folk refusing acknowledge this was a shit film and that FOX needs to give Marvel these rights and let Marvel work on this and reboot it again later on down the road.

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122. "9% isn't how good the movie is..."
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...it's how many critics think the movie is mostly good.

So it's not say that only 9% of the movie is worth seeing, just that 9% of the critics think that it's worth seeing.

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125. "It's pretty much 0% on OKP."
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Meaning I haven't read of one person who will give this flick a thumbs up. Seems pretty universal to me.

  

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113. "doesFF really need origin / exposition at this point?"
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They're almost at spider-man levels of recognizability(not popularity/likability).
one dude is a living rock, other dude is a giant fireball... let's get on with it


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123. "Yes."
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While FF is old like Spiderman, it's not quite as familiar. Their origin is a bit more vague/goofball than Spiderman's.

Bit by a weird spider? Good, let's go.
Flown into space where they encountered a space radiation storm that affected everyone differently? That's a little more, "huh?" Why are they in space? What is this storm? Why can't that one dude torn the orange off? Etc.

And you don't want to rely on the audience to flip back to the previous FF films to get filled in because you don't want your experience tainted by that. Storytellers will want to clean that up and put their own stamp on it. It hasn't been told well yet in film, so yes, it needs a good telling.

The only way around it would be if it were in the MCU. Marvel Studios has put in the hard work of building a universe where powers happen, so at this point, you can just throw Super Soldiers, Altered Humans, Sentient Androids and Pym Particles in there with little explanation and it fits a certain logic. If FOX refuses to hop on their train, then yes, they'll have to build their own train and lay their own track.

This isn't so say that they can't be creative or not spend a whole movie telling the story. Though I wasn't a fan of the movie, I loved the way that the Incredible Hulk handled it. Putting aside the smart reference to the TV show, the idea of explaining power acquisition over the opening credits is something more hero movies should do. With the FF in particular you can skip the relationship building that is part of the formula of origin stories. They're family. You don't need to justify or explain that. It just has to ring true in the way that the characters interact for the length of the movie.

So you do still need to lay out the FF origin on-screen, but it doesn't have to be a whole movie.

And FFS stop claiming that Dr. Doom got his powers the same way that the FF did! 10-20 minutes should be the FF origin and the rest of the movie should be Dr. Doom's story.

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126. "a correct origin / exposition of Dr. Doom is needed"
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>They're almost at spider-man levels of recognizability(not
>popularity/likability).
>one dude is a living rock, other dude is a giant fireball...
>let's get on with it
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118. "RE: Fantastic Four (Trank, 2015)"
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The interesting point is the anxiety over 'superhero film burnout' by executives of studios. Also, 31 does seem a bit young for a filmmaker to be making a $200M film.


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‘Fantastic Four’ Lacks Superpowers at Box Office

LOS ANGELES — 20th Century Fox’s big-budget “Fantastic Four” went down in flames at the weekend box office, adding to fears about superhero fatigue and calling into question Hollywood’s willingness to hire novice directors for major films.

“Fantastic Four,” carrying an estimated production and marketing budget of $200 million and directed by Josh Trank, a 31-year-old filmmaker with only one previous feature under his belt, sold about $26.2 million in tickets in North America. Box office analysts had expected sales of at least $40 million for the disastrously reviewed movie, which would have been a disappointing total in itself.

Fox, facing a ticking clock to make a new “Fantastic Four” movie or watch the rights revert to Disney-owned Marvel, was trying to reintroduce the superhero quartet to audiences after two “Fantastic Four” films underwhelmed in 2005 and 2007. The latest attempt, which took in an additional $34.1 million overseas, will instead go into the failed superhero movie hall of fame, joining efforts like “Catwoman” and “The Green Lantern.”

Chris Aronson, Fox’s president of domestic distribution, said by phone on Sunday that his studio had no plans to let go of the “Fantastic Four” characters, which were introduced by Marvel Comics in the 1960s; Fox bought the rights more than a decade ago, before Marvel made its own movies.

“We love these characters, and we will find ways to make use of them,” he said.

Asked to comment on the weekend box office results, Mr. Aronson said: “There’s not much to say. I have never seen a confluence of events impact the opening of a movie so swiftly.” He was referring to negative reviews and a renegade post by Mr. Trank on Twitter on Thursday night that blamed the studio for poor reviews. The comment was quickly deleted, but it had already spread like wildfire online.

Even though Mr. Trank had directed only one feature before — “Chronicle,” which cost $12 million to make and took in $127 million in 2012 — Fox was confident in his ability to move up to the major leagues. Mr. Trank’s inventive “Chronicle” was so successful that Lucasfilm also hired him to direct a “Star Wars” spinoff movie.

But the “Fantastic Four” shoot in Louisiana was marred by erratic on-set behavior by Mr. Trank. Concerned about Mr. Trank’s professionalism, the Disney-owned Lucasfilm in May forced his departure from the “Star Wars” project.

Hiring novice directors for important projects has been something of a fad in Hollywood in recent years. At times, it has worked out spectacularly: Colin Trevorrow had limited experience before directing the blockbuster “Jurassic World,” for instance. But the implosion of Mr. Trank and “Fantastic Four” may cool the practice considerably.

The lack of audience support for Mr. Trank’s movie will no doubt fuel emerging concerns about superhero burnout. Doug Cruetz, an analyst for Cowen and Company, last month pointed to possible but “inconclusive” signs of fatigue in a report, calling it “a trend worth monitoring” because of “aggressive investor expectations.” Notably, “Avengers: Age of Ultron,” while still collecting $1.4 billion worldwide, had domestic ticket sales that fell 27 percent below the total for the first “Avengers.”

There are at least 20 superhero movies planned for release over the next five years by Disney, Fox, Sony and Warner Bros., in particular relying on lesser-known characters like Doctor Strange, Captain Marvel and Gambit.

Studio executives strongly dismiss the notion of fatigue, noting enormous advance interest in coming entries like “Deadpool,” “Captain America: Civil War,” “Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice” and “Suicide Squad.” But studios do privately acknowledge that audiences have grown more sensitive to quality. “Age of Ultron” received weaker reviews than the first “Avengers.” Those who did see “Fantastic Four” seemed to hate it, giving the film a C-minus grade in CinemaScore exit polls.

For the weekend, “Mission: Impossible — Rogue Nation” (Paramount) was the No. 1 draw in North America, taking in $29.4 million, for a two-week total of $108.7 million. “Fantastic Four” was second.

“The Gift” (STX Entertainment), a $5 million thriller from the Blumhouse horror factory that took in a better-than-expected $12 million, ranked at third place, according to Rentrak, which compiles box office data. “The Gift” most likely benefited from strong reviews and preferential trailer placement in theaters leading up to release.

Aimed at older women, “Ricki and the Flash” (Sony) had a seventh-place debut on a modest 1,600 screens, generating ticket sales of roughly $7 million — a shaky result for a movie starring Meryl Streep and boasting an Oscar-winning screenwriter (Diablo Cody) and director (Jonathan Demme). “Ricki and the Flash,” which divided critics, cost only $18 million to make, however.

  

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119. "the "superhero burnout" misnomer must be other studios"
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trying anything they can think of to slow down Marvel. I mean, I think friggin Ant Man is at like $350 million worldwide. That's an almost unknown hero with an unproven star in a movie saddled with serious production problems.

I honestly *thought* there'd be superhero fatigue by now but I'd be shocked if Civil War and the next couple Avengers don't make around a billion each worldwide.

  

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129. "This writer at Grantland gives a good explanation of the burnout idea"
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The ‘Fantastic Four’ Fallout: The Future of Comic-Book Franchises

AUGUST 12, 2015
by MARK HARRIS

Now that we’ve all finished mopping up the blood of the Fantastic Four, the last and, I’d say, noisiest major casualty of summer movie season, maybe it’s time for a quick update about where we are in the grand attempt to make sure that every studio, and every chunk of the calendar, is colonized by comic-book movies now and forever. 2015 was always going to be a strange year in the Project Spandex timeline: Most of the movies in that big set of five-year plans — 10 Phase 3 Marvel Universe movies,1 10 (and counting) Phase Whatever DC movies, and a fistful of Fantastic-X-Spider-franchise offshoots — were announced in 2014, with their releases set to begin in 2016. So this year has been a kind of intermission: a summer of throat-clearing and tying up loose ends and, despite the presence of three new movies, expectancy.

Here’s the scoreboard: We had one huge hit, Avengers: Age of Ultron, which grossed $1.4 billion worldwide; one modest hit, Ant-Man, which currently stands at $326 million worldwide — great for Paul Rudd, but right near the dusty bottom of OK for a Marvel Universe movie; and one disaster, the aforementioned Fantastic Four, which looks to wind up as the lowest-grossing Marvel superhero movie since Elektra and this summer’s punch line/punching bag/franchise killer.

What the raw numbers tell us about genre fatigue, warning signs, and the box-office ceiling for the comic-book movies (as many as eight) that will arrive next year is, basically, nothing. But what struck me about those three entries is that they all arrived with a kind of weariness, shadowed by a sense of lost possibility. In fact, in each case, the ghost of an unmade, maybe better movie hovered over their arrivals. In one case, it was tragicomically explicit: Last week, the day before his movie opened, Fantastic Four’s director, Josh Trank, tweeted, “A year ago I had a fantastic version of this. And it would’ve recieved great reviews. You’ll probably never see it. That’s reality though.” Shortly after throwing that stick of dynamite onto the already burning bridge, he deleted the tweet, which is a bit like being a little kid who thinks you can’t see him when he covers his face with his hands.

Trank’s tweet was an impolitic tantrum by someone in danger of becoming known as an impolitic tantrum-thrower, but even if he is, to either a small or a large extent, the maker of his own misfortune, there’s nothing funny about seeing a director go from “promising” to whatever this is over the course of one movie. For every Colin Trevorrow, who went from making one calling-card indie to the stewardship of the $1.5 billion–grossing Jurassic World, there is going to be at least one Trank, who is sucked into the system before he has the political smarts, behind-the-camera experience, or emotional equipment to handle it. The bottom-line, boardroom-driven demands of this particular genre are not something that should be wished on any fledgling filmmaker.

Or even non-fledgling. What Trank was saying in that tweet, which is that he felt gutted by a system that thwarted his attempts to get the movie he wanted up onscreen, was not entirely different from this quote: “I feel every day like, I didn’t do enough, I didn’t do enough, I didn’t do enough. I wasn’t ready. Here’s failure. Here’s failure. Here’s compromise. Here’s compromise.” That wasn’t Trank; it was Joss Whedon — nobody’s idea of a nutcase or a naïf — in what amounted to an exit interview with BuzzFeed’s Adam B. Vary about his work on Age of Ultron. And Whedon had this to say about Ant-Man — not the version of Ant-Man that reached screens, but the version that was, to the delight of almost everyone who cares about these movies, going to be directed by Edgar Wright (Shaun of the Dead) before he departed the project over “creative differences”: “I don’t get it. I thought the script was not only the best script that Marvel had ever had, but the most Marvel script I’d read.” The Ant-Man that did get made was received genially enough by critics, but many of the reviews, even the positive ones, were heavy with “It’s fine, considering … ”

When, in the space of three months, all three movies in a genre arrive with very public news that they are not the movies they could have been, something has gone wrong. There is, I think, an increasing sense that every mark the comic-book genre is forced to hit — origin stories, Easter eggs, big-picture continuity, action beats, fan service, world-stakes battles, potential sequels, post-credit sequences — is obstructing them from being movies. It certainly seems to be keeping their makers (“architects” feels like a more accurate term than “creators”) from any sense of joy — directorial joy, cinematic joy, authorial joy, or even the obsessional joy that allowed Peter Jackson to commit himself to living in Middle-earth for 15 years or that has sent James Cameron off to whatever solar system in which he is currently purporting to make Avatar sequels. These comic-book movies are, first and foremost, assignments. Directors and writers try to get through them with their souls and spirits intact. They pat themselves down afterward, the way you do when you get off a roller coaster, to see if they’re still all there. Some end up less all there than others.

Deadpool20TH CENTURY FOX

Sometime between the openings of Ant-Man and Fantastic Four, 20th Century Fox released the red-band trailer for Deadpool to great mirth from what is known — whether in comic-book or political circles — as “the base,” the element that must always be appeased, sometimes at the self-defeating expense of broader appeal. As of this writing, the trailer has been viewed almost 18 million times on YouTube2 — and what viewers have seen is a successfully sour in-joke that takes a rather vigorous dump on this whole enterprise. It stars Ryan Reynolds, who, if things had gone according to plan, would now be in negotiations for $20 million plus a piece of the back end on Green Lantern 4 but instead has gotten a second shot at the genre, this time as an air-quotes superhero who kills people and says, “Please don’t make the supersuit green! Or animated!” That’s funny, but it’s what is known in theater as an expensive laugh. Jokes that say “This is all bullshit” tend to make an audience feel slightly skeptical the next time you try to convince them that no, it isn’t.

The Deadpool trailer is fun, and if you’re a glass-half-full person, you might say that it’s proof that the genre is sturdy and entrenched enough to withstand a poke in the ribs. If, however, you are glass-half-empty, you might cite the trailer as evidence that impatience with the comic-book genre and its tropes has now become a real enough part of the discourse to make it out of Comic-Con conversations and chat-board rants and into the content of the actual movies. When a genre starts saying enough already about itself — and when it says that on the eve of five more years of movies — I wouldn’t say it’s time to worry, but perhaps it’s time to wonder.

Meanwhile, the genre continues to reshape some careers, and misshape and mangle others. Last week brought the dispiriting news that Ben Affleck, who pretty much had his pick of projects after Argo, has, for the second time, postponed his adaptation of Dennis Lehane’s novel Live by Night. When the adaptation was first announced almost three years ago, it felt like an ideal project for him — a rematch with a novelist, a milieu, and a genre for which he has a real feel. But the film, once scheduled to open this December, and then moved to October 2016, is now slated for “2017.”3

Let’s keep that date in quotes, because Affleck is now going to follow Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice with The Justice League Part One and then, apparently, a standalone Batman movie, after which one imagines he will show up for The Justice League Part Two and perhaps another couple of Batman films since everything is a trilogy now. That plan — let’s call it the Full Downey — would, by my calculations, keep him in the cowl and cape until sometime around his 50th birthday in 2022, a strange turn of events for an actor I thought had been cured of this particular hunger after emerging sadder but wiser from Daredevil a dozen years back. Affleck, after all, is the guy who starred in the George Reeves drama Hollywoodland, which in retrospect looks like a pretty prescient cautionary tale about what running around pretending to be a superhero can do to your insides. (“Putting on the uncomfortable, cheesy suit — I understood that,” Affleck told me when I interviewed him in 2012. “And I understood what it was like to feel limited by perceptions and having ambitions to do things that were more interesting.”) Maybe he’ll be great; maybe these movies will be great; maybe everything will be great. But Affleck is a talented director, and those are a lot of prime midlife years to hand over to seeing how severe and menacing you can make the lower half of your face look.

Which is why I can’t feel too bad for any of the stars of Fantastic Four, a failure so clear-cut (9 percent on Rotten Tomatoes, C-minus CinemaScore, directorial seppuku, lousy opening weekend) that it should occasion at an absolute minimum some corporate hand-wringing about what to do next. I mean, I suppose some Fox exec will be forced to stand up at the next Comic-Con, chin trembling, and bravely insist that Fantastic Four 2 will still open on June 9, 2017 — unless the studio waves a white flag and hands creative control of the property back to Marvel, as Sony did in February with Spider-Man. But either way, if The Amazing Spider-Man and Fantastic Four haven’t taught the makers of these films a definitive lesson about premature reboots in the absence of popular demand, I don’t know what will. In the history of comic-book movies, I hope Fantastic Four goes down as The Movie That Failed To Devour Miles Teller And Michael B. Jordan, the stars of Whiplash and Fruitvale Station, respectively, and two of the most talented American actors under 30 to emerge in the past few years. They jumped into the maw of this slavering beast because that is what the entire movie industry now tells young and middle-aged leading men they’re supposed to do.4 And the beast spat them out. Here’s my take: They’re lucky. They now have a choice to make. They can decide they want to wait five or 10 years, as Reynolds and Affleck did, for another invitation to the party, or they can go back to being, you know, actors. There are worse fates.

  

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130. "I like Harris, but he's been pumping that agenda for years."
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He's adamantly anti-comic book movie, and his articles have reflected that for some time.

If three R-rated buddy comedies came out, and one horribly bombed, no one would be writing, "IS THIS THE END OF THE R-RATED BUDDY COMEDY?!?!" It's just easier to get clicks writing thinkpieces on superhero comic book culture.

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131. "yes, I really hate that notion of genre fatigue"
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Plenty of us have been waiting decades for these movies to be made.

It was the same way for epic fantasy films, even waaay before the Hobbit Trilogy.

It's like if geek culture finally gets the movies that they've been wanting for years, the rest of mainstream culture is supposed to consider it a short lived fad.

I also thought it was pretty weak that in support of fatigue he lists Ant-Man--not because it was a flop (since it wasn't, by any means) but because it didn't make as much as the other Marvel box-office hits. Or that it must be fatigue that Avengers 2 made over a billion, but still not as much as the first one.

I mean if Doctor Strange is a great film but doesn't perform at the box office, like, Scott Pilgrim style--we can talk about superhero fatigue.

I think largely the 'fatigue' only applies to people take the stance of "I'm not really into comic books or superheroes, but I thought the first Iron Man was really good!"


  

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120. "The last 30-40 minutes are hot garbage. The first two thirds are decent...."
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Even the dialogue got worse. Most of the action got restricted to that one furnished warehouse pretending to be a headquarters. Lots of talking to men behind glass and talking to men at tables. Doom came back mad at Earth for no reason. Pacing all a mess.

No idea if Trank's version would've been any good, his parts were the best parts.

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124. "That's where I started falling asleep, earlier today."
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Like, the final battle I dozed off twice.

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128. "Act 1 and 2 were pretty bland. Act 3 is piping hot diarrhea"
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It never gets better than mildly interesting but when it's bad...it's bad.

  

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134. "I was expecting worse honestly"
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It's messy, but not nearly as bad as the other two. A little too serious and the ending feels rushed after not enough set-up, but even with all that it's really not that bad. Visually I loved it. This is the first time Doom or The Thing looked good. As bad as the ending was, I did love Doom once he became Doom, they just didn't do enough to hint at evil intent before that.

  

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135. "This wasn't bad, not the best but not the worst superhero movie"
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Its better then the other FF movies, on par with a couple Spidermans, Xmen 3 and Thor 2 for Marvel, not that that's quality company. It could have been better, sure, but somewhow this thing never had a chance to succeed before it even dropped.

  

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136. "Would love to read the original script"
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Because I can't imagine that what made it to screen was the original intention.

Fox is now 0 - 2 on Doom. Was he part of the team in the original comics? I don't like how they try to work him into the group.

It wasn't offensively bad but it was just kind of a bore. I do think they would have been better off skipping the whole origin story and launching into a conflict. I almost feel like a Doom-focused movie with the Fantastic Four as his nemesis would be more interesting.

Fantastic Four is a tough nut to crack but I hope they just reboot it again rather than trying to go down the path that this version set up. (Or just team up with Marvel ala Spiderman.)

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137. "I didn't like the 3rd act"
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I didn't like the way it played out, I didn't like the interaction between the group. I didn't like it.

The strange thing about it, I liked individual portions, like I like MBJ as Johnny, I liked Mara as Sue, and I even liked Bell as the Thing. I just didn't really enjoy their group dynamic a lot.

Doom was terrible, I don't understand why people don't just use the origin as set. It makes more sense. The motivation for why he does what he does is crystal clear. His ability to do what he does is clear. I just don't understand why they change it.

I'd also be interested in what that original 3rd act was.

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138. "I honestly thought his set-up wasn't bad here."
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And when he first went through the halls blowing people up, I actually got excited for a minute.

Then... the third act. The usual "I'm destroying the world" "big portals/beams of light" CGI-fest shit. Really forced one-liners. Painful painful painful.

I think if they'd been able to maintain the tone from the first two acts through the end, maybe they could've had something. But finales are so goddamn important.

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139. "I'll be honest I have a really difficult time separating my comic "
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Love of the character with the movie stuff. Is some of that in part to MF possibly, but I think the character of DOOM is deadly because he has taken over the world. He's a ruler of a country, he's dangerous in a way that not many are. He's not just some dude that you beat one time and you'll never see again.

I think I just have an issue with them changing that character so much.

I'm seriously interested to know what the original 3rd act was. I have a feeling it would've been much more in line with the tone of the first 2 acts.

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140. "According to Devin, the original script was a lot more involved"
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WAY too much going on, IMO, with Galactus, Mole Man, Johnny Storm on a reality show, etc. Devin liked the script but I'm not sure how you pack all of that into 2 hours.

I think they needed a page one rewrite instead of stretching Act 1 into two acts and then coming up with a lame battle for Act 3.

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141. "Yeah, you can see above, I definitely shared your skepticism."
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I just tried to go in and say to myself, "Okay, F4, while I loved it growing up, isn't exactly holy text. They can do different things with the premise and still keep it compelling."

And I thought they got pretty close with the first two acts. It doesn't really work perfectly, but they do some good things. The relationship between Reed and Ben in particular works really well.

But yeah, the goddamn third act. Maybe the worst finale in a movie I've seen in recent memory.

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