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AnonymousCoward
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"Poll question: A Breaking Bad Poll SEASON 2 SPOILERS"


  

          

Did Walt kill Jane?

Poll result (17 votes)
Yes (4 votes)Vote
No (13 votes)Vote

  

  

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No, but he could have saved her life.
Jul 25th 2013
1
Not talking about a court of law
Jul 25th 2013
2
He didn't put her on her back.
Jul 25th 2013
3
RE: No, but he could have saved her life.
Jul 25th 2013
5
      Oh, no doubt on the last part.
Jul 26th 2013
7
      Not a favorite episode, but S01E03 has one of my favorite opens
Jul 28th 2013
12
The original idea from the writers was Walt was going to kill her by...
Jul 25th 2013
4
He didn't kill her. But he let her die.
Jul 25th 2013
6
Rewatching that ep is so telling of how great this show is
Jul 26th 2013
8
They originally wrote it where Walt injected Jane while she was knocked ...
Jul 26th 2013
9
no but good riddance...she got was she deserved
Jul 27th 2013
10
^^team heisenberg
Jul 28th 2013
11

Frank Longo
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1. "No, but he could have saved her life."
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The heroin killed her. Hence why Jesse feels so responsible-- they likely bought that heroin with Jesse's money.

The fact that they both feel responsible for her no longer being alive (and, subsequently, for the lives on that plane) is part of what makes Season 3 such an emotional gut-punch (especially the Fly episode, so incredibly moving.)

You can *maybe* argue that because he jostled Jesse which put Jane on her back that maybe he committed some form of involuntary manslaughter-- I don't really know how that case would fall in a court of law. But the phrase "did he kill her?" seems to me to ask "did he intentionally kill her?" No, he absolutely didn't. But he did intentionally prevent himself from saving her when she put herself in a life-threatening situation.

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AnonymousCoward
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2. "Not talking about a court of law"
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but he did put her on her back, and made a conscious decision NOT to save her. I say he killed her.

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Frank Longo
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3. "He didn't put her on her back."
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He jostled Jesse to wake him up, and Jane fell from her position. It's not like Walt set her there intentionally.

Also, if Jane never does the heroin, she's not in that predicament. Walt unintentionally moving a person that isn't on a life-threatening drug has zero effect.

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Thu Jul-25-13 08:53 PM

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5. "RE: No, but he could have saved her life."
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Thu Jul-25-13 08:54 PM by The Analyst

  

          

>The fact that they both feel responsible for her no longer
>being alive (and, subsequently, for the lives on that plane)
>is part of what makes Season 3 such an emotional gut-punch
>(especially the Fly episode, so incredibly moving.)

Definitely agree. That might be my favorite episode in the series (though I haven't seen S5 yet.)

>You can *maybe* argue that because he jostled Jesse which put
>Jane on her back that maybe he committed some form of
>involuntary manslaughter-- I don't really know how that case
>would fall in a court of law. But the phrase "did he kill
>her?" seems to me to ask "did he intentionally kill her?" No,
>he absolutely didn't. But he did intentionally prevent himself
>from saving her when she put herself in a life-threatening
>situation.

I mean, yeah, but that's a pretty thin distinction IMO. He looked at her, thought about saving her, then said fuck it and let her die. Not because he simply didn't care, either - it was because he DID care. He purposely chose to let her die because he wanted her to die. She knew who he was and she was trying to blackmail him or something (if memory serves). So I'd argue that his failure to act was purposeful and malicious, which is key. Does it add up to anything in a court of law? Probably not, but he definitely bears at least a chunk of the responsibility for her death. In his heart, he knows it, hence The Fly episode.

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Frank Longo
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7. "Oh, no doubt on the last part."
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>I mean, yeah, but that's a pretty thin distinction IMO. He
>looked at her, thought about saving her, then said fuck it and
>let her die. Not because he simply didn't care, either - it
>was because he DID care. He purposely chose to let her die
>because he wanted her to die. She knew who he was and she was
>trying to blackmail him or something (if memory serves). So
>I'd argue that his failure to act was purposeful and
>malicious, which is key. Does it add up to anything in a court
>of law? Probably not, but he definitely bears at least a
>chunk of the responsibility for her death. In his heart, he
>knows it, hence The Fly episode.

And I said all that above about the Fly episode, and how he knows he could have done something.

But choosing to let someone die and killing them is definitely a distinction-- I'd say a bit more than thin, IMO.

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12. "Not a favorite episode, but S01E03 has one of my favorite opens"
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Sun Jul-28-13 03:45 AM by Nodima

  

          

especially having seen everything though Season 5 and catching up just to get as familiar as possible with everything leading into these last couple months. His dialogue with his old flame scientist friend about what makes up a human being as he and Jesse are flushing the remains of a Mexican meth slinger who melted through the upstairs flooring is so distressing.


Also, when Marie says smoking pot made her "more serious" with the most serious face. After spending so much time around her that line is just like...what? Thank god you never got hooked!


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4. "The original idea from the writers was Walt was going to kill her by..."
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shooting her up with heroin and making it look like it was just an overdose. The writers went back and forth with that idea and the one of Walt letting Jane die by choking on her own vomit. The writers wanted a balance of "taking Walt just far enough without taking him too far too fast." - Gennifer Hutchison (Executive Story Editor/Writer)

This was discussed on The Writers' Room.

  

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6. "He didn't kill her. But he let her die."
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That was ice fucking cold.

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8. "Rewatching that ep is so telling of how great this show is"
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Walt is shown puttin Holly on her side just in case she spits up, then Jane does the same to Jesse after he shoots up and then BOOM she dies on her back vomiting.

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9. "They originally wrote it where Walt injected Jane while she was knocked ..."
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That's way too evil.

Then I think he was going to purposely flip her on her back when she starts puking or something.

But this?

Nah. He didn't kill her. He just let her die. He still feels responsible though.

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10. "no but good riddance...she got was she deserved"
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11. "^^team heisenberg"
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from a purely business standpoint: yes she had to go, threatening walt over the phone sealed her fate. One way or another, her days were numbered.

but still, fucked up for him to just stand there and watch her die

  

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