Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86943 posts
Thu Jul-25-13 04:25 PM
1. "No, but he could have saved her life." In response to Reply # 0
The heroin killed her. Hence why Jesse feels so responsible-- they likely bought that heroin with Jesse's money.
The fact that they both feel responsible for her no longer being alive (and, subsequently, for the lives on that plane) is part of what makes Season 3 such an emotional gut-punch (especially the Fly episode, so incredibly moving.)
You can *maybe* argue that because he jostled Jesse which put Jane on her back that maybe he committed some form of involuntary manslaughter-- I don't really know how that case would fall in a court of law. But the phrase "did he kill her?" seems to me to ask "did he intentionally kill her?" No, he absolutely didn't. But he did intentionally prevent himself from saving her when she put herself in a life-threatening situation.
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Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86943 posts
Thu Jul-25-13 04:34 PM
3. "He didn't put her on her back." In response to Reply # 2
He jostled Jesse to wake him up, and Jane fell from her position. It's not like Walt set her there intentionally.
Also, if Jane never does the heroin, she's not in that predicament. Walt unintentionally moving a person that isn't on a life-threatening drug has zero effect.
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5. "RE: No, but he could have saved her life." In response to Reply # 1 Thu Jul-25-13 08:54 PM by The Analyst
>The fact that they both feel responsible for her no longer >being alive (and, subsequently, for the lives on that plane) >is part of what makes Season 3 such an emotional gut-punch >(especially the Fly episode, so incredibly moving.)
Definitely agree. That might be my favorite episode in the series (though I haven't seen S5 yet.)
>You can *maybe* argue that because he jostled Jesse which put >Jane on her back that maybe he committed some form of >involuntary manslaughter-- I don't really know how that case >would fall in a court of law. But the phrase "did he kill >her?" seems to me to ask "did he intentionally kill her?" No, >he absolutely didn't. But he did intentionally prevent himself >from saving her when she put herself in a life-threatening >situation.
I mean, yeah, but that's a pretty thin distinction IMO. He looked at her, thought about saving her, then said fuck it and let her die. Not because he simply didn't care, either - it was because he DID care. He purposely chose to let her die because he wanted her to die. She knew who he was and she was trying to blackmail him or something (if memory serves). So I'd argue that his failure to act was purposeful and malicious, which is key. Does it add up to anything in a court of law? Probably not, but he definitely bears at least a chunk of the responsibility for her death. In his heart, he knows it, hence The Fly episode.
Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86943 posts
Fri Jul-26-13 12:34 AM
7. "Oh, no doubt on the last part." In response to Reply # 5
>I mean, yeah, but that's a pretty thin distinction IMO. He >looked at her, thought about saving her, then said fuck it and >let her die. Not because he simply didn't care, either - it >was because he DID care. He purposely chose to let her die >because he wanted her to die. She knew who he was and she was >trying to blackmail him or something (if memory serves). So >I'd argue that his failure to act was purposeful and >malicious, which is key. Does it add up to anything in a court >of law? Probably not, but he definitely bears at least a >chunk of the responsibility for her death. In his heart, he >knows it, hence The Fly episode.
And I said all that above about the Fly episode, and how he knows he could have done something.
But choosing to let someone die and killing them is definitely a distinction-- I'd say a bit more than thin, IMO.
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12. "Not a favorite episode, but S01E03 has one of my favorite opens" In response to Reply # 5 Sun Jul-28-13 03:45 AM by Nodima
especially having seen everything though Season 5 and catching up just to get as familiar as possible with everything leading into these last couple months. His dialogue with his old flame scientist friend about what makes up a human being as he and Jesse are flushing the remains of a Mexican meth slinger who melted through the upstairs flooring is so distressing.
Also, when Marie says smoking pot made her "more serious" with the most serious face. After spending so much time around her that line is just like...what? Thank god you never got hooked!
4. "The original idea from the writers was Walt was going to kill her by..." In response to Reply # 0
shooting her up with heroin and making it look like it was just an overdose. The writers went back and forth with that idea and the one of Walt letting Jane die by choking on her own vomit. The writers wanted a balance of "taking Walt just far enough without taking him too far too fast." - Gennifer Hutchison (Executive Story Editor/Writer)
8. "Rewatching that ep is so telling of how great this show is" In response to Reply # 0
Walt is shown puttin Holly on her side just in case she spits up, then Jane does the same to Jesse after he shoots up and then BOOM she dies on her back vomiting.