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"Eddie Murphy's "Delirious" is horribly dated"


  

          

not just the cringe-worthy homophobic shit, but the style of comedy in general. Delirious is like 30% singing and impressions.

Could young Eddie Murphy make it as a stand-up comedian right today?

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One of the funniest and most charismatic comedic performers of all time?...
Apr 23rd 2013
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While I agree that the homophobia is pretty cringe-worthy now...
Apr 23rd 2013
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FOH nigga
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a bear and a rabbit...
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yes, he could.
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Yeah, you already made this post in GD.
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no, I didn't
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And when did people become so sensitive?
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Is this true?
Apr 23rd 2013
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the biggest problem is it's not as edgy or original as he thought
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      BOOOO. Ralph Kramden and Mr T were hilarious.
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      i'm admittedly holding him to a high standard
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           Most of his material is pretty basic. He's not a very clever guy.
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                i'll agree with all of this.
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                I have to agree with this assessment
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      uh-huh, who ellse was doing gay jokes like that THEN?
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           RE: uh-huh, who ellse was doing gay jokes like that THEN?
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The biggest stand up in the world right now is Kevin Hart.
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Louis CK on line 1
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      Louis isn't doing stadiums. I didnt say BEST. I said BIGGEST.
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           You don't think he could? He is doing HBO specials, that's the top
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                Maybe. But probably not, no.
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You shock posters need a new routine. Seriously.
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homophobia is a too strong chracterization, IMO
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make it today? NIGGA!
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You don't think comedy evolves?
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Your thought implies Eddie got famous b/c he made fun of gays
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He was insanely funny and charismatic
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      just stop.
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      Again assuming he could not have adapted with the times
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      right, as much as i hate that material
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      entirely possible, but let's not act like we have a plethora of proof
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           Anybody in the audience wanna hit this guy w/ a car?
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           or not give him a napkin at Carvel's
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           impressionists are NOT universally bad.
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                Thank you for engaging me rationally
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                     agree to disagree
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      Can you count to 30, nigger?
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           It's too early in the day to close up shop man
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1. "One of the funniest and most charismatic comedic performers of all time?..."
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>Could young Eddie Murphy make it as a stand-up comedian right
>today?

Fuck yes.

  

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2. "While I agree that the homophobia is pretty cringe-worthy now..."
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... I couldn't disagree more with the rest of your post. Dude was brilliant.

11/13: Hot Frosty (on Netflix)
11/23: Three Wiser Men & A Boy (on Hallmark)
11/27: Christmas Under the Lights (on Hallmark Mysteries)
12/14: The Santa Class (on Hallmark)

  

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3. "FOH nigga"
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As stated the homophobia is dated, but the rest of that shit is hilarious.

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4. "a bear and a rabbit..."
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5. "yes, he could."
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and i totally disagree about delirious. after that first 8 minutes the special is still great. as nick said he's one of the most charismatic performers of all-time. he's one of the only people who can make me laugh with just his smile/laugh. and if anything, raw hasn't aged very well. some of it looks overly defensive and anti-female imo.

  

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6. "Yeah, you already made this post in GD. "
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It was a weak premise then and a weak premise now.

The homophobia is a little hard to watch but it's a brilliant performance in content and delivery.

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29. "no, I didn't"
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7. "And when did people become so sensitive?"
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Remember when you could joke about shit and it was just jokes?

All this homophobia talk
Cats used to clown and the people they talkin shit to would clown right back

Even gay people was laughing at Eddie's shit

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9. "Is this true?"
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>Even gay people was laughing at Eddie's shit

I thought various gay groups were openly protesting him at different points in time, but I might be wrong...

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11. "the biggest problem is it's not as edgy or original as he thought"
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"what if this famous guy and that famous guy were gay together?" isn't original or funny. i expect it from a hack, not one of the funniest people in the world. plus he was just perpetuating the stereotypes that gays fought hard against in the 80's such as how AIDS is transmitted. he compounded it with more homophobic material ABOUT the reaction he got in raw. it's nearly impossible to watch them without what we know now, but to his credit he has since apologized for the material.

  

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14. "BOOOO. Ralph Kramden and Mr T were hilarious."
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I'll give you that on paper, those bits don't look great. The execution was excellent though.

There's nothing clever about them, but if, say, Adam Sandler did those bits, it wouldn't be nearly as funny. It just worked. A lot of Eddies material worked where it kind of shouldn't have. He sold it.

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23. "i'm admittedly holding him to a high standard "
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because he's considered one of the greatest. there's something about the greatest comics that should be "timeless" or "cutting edge", at least to a degree. that material is neither. never said it didn't work though. it would probably still work today if he updated the references and got rid of the AIDS jokes, but that doesn't mean it's worthy of one of the greatest of all-time. there's a reason he's apologized for it.

  

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34. "Most of his material is pretty basic. He's not a very clever guy. "
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>because he's considered one of the greatest. there's something
>about the greatest comics that should be "timeless" or
>"cutting edge", at least to a degree. that material is
>neither. never said it didn't work though. it would probably
>still work today if he updated the references and got rid of
>the AIDS jokes, but that doesn't mean it's worthy of one of
>the greatest of all-time. there's a reason he's apologized for

Mitch Hedberg, for example, is a guy whose brilliance lies in the words themselves. Add the look, demeanor, and delivery, and it's a perfect storm. Reading his jokes on paper is still a riot. Ditto guys like Rodney Dangerfield.

With Eddie, his material has never been all that clever. He never turns a phrase or a concept in a way that's remotely challenging.

I mean, Aunt Bunnie is just basic material. Goony Goo-Goo is some bullshit to be honest.

Eddie's brilliance lies in the actual performance of his material. It's the faces he makes, the physical mannerisms, the vocal intonations, and his truest gift of all, his story telling.

That's really all it was. When you actually break down Raw and Delirious, along with scattered recordings of other standup, he just gets up there and tells stories in a very cartoonish way.

Brian Regen also tells stories, and he's got an absolutely brilliant performance to his credit, but he's not Eddie.

Eddie's the rock star with 3 power chords in his arsenal, but what he does with those chords is special. He exudes charisma and sells it on some ice to Eskimos/water to whales shit.

You know when he shows how girls react to singers? That's exactly how all of us react to those two specials. Heterosexual, homophobic men are practically throwing the drawers an shit.

His material wasn't really the star to me, it's the actual performance that was special and timeless.

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37. "i'll agree with all of this."
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as i've complimented his charisma/stage presence in this post as well. but to add on, most of the material he did was just plain fun. where he and other comics lose me is being mean just for the sake of being mean. it's not unfunny, it's just unnecessary and doesn't prove much about their capabilities. you can absolutely make fun of marginalized groups, but do it in a way that has a different spin or turns on itself (and ultimately makes fun of the majority or himself). that's A LOT more interesting, and that's where eddie failed in some of his material about gay people in delirious and women in raw.

the other common criticism of him is we never really learned who he was. the final stage of a great comic's career is usually very autobiographical or a very pointed look at society. he never quite made it in either of those categories imo. some people counter that some of the greats are silly one-liner guys like hedberg and steven wright, but i'd argue that even they showed us a glimpse of how their mind works. eddie's machismo was his greatest strength but it also didn't allow him to show any vulnerability on stage. i think Raw could have been a refreshing take on relationships and sexuality, but it fell just short and came across misogynistic. once again, those jokes were funny, just not particularly interesting when he's reinforcing how society already views gays and women.

  

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38. "I have to agree with this assessment"
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16. "uh-huh, who ellse was doing gay jokes like that THEN?"
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who really originated all the gay jokes Eddie was kickin?? and WHO didn't think that shit was funny then and now?? (other than gay folk and prudes)

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22. "RE: uh-huh, who ellse was doing gay jokes like that THEN?"
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>who really originated all the gay jokes Eddie was kickin??
>and WHO didn't think that shit was funny then and now?? (other
>than gay folk and prudes)

gay people have been made fun of by comedians since gay people existed, usually by pointing at straight people in the audience and insinuating that they're gay to the delight of the crowd (still happens). they're an easy target, it was never really that original.

  

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8. "The biggest stand up in the world right now is Kevin Hart."
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A guy who has 1/4 of young Eddie Murphy's talent on a good day.

So uh, yeah. He'd be fine.

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17. "Louis CK on line 1"
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19. "Louis isn't doing stadiums. I didnt say BEST. I said BIGGEST."
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20. "You don't think he could? He is doing HBO specials, that's the top"
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21. "Maybe. But probably not, no."
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And certainly not everywhere...only the big markets. I'd argue a theatrical release is well above an HBO special...

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10. "You shock posters need a new routine. Seriously."
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12. "homophobia is a too strong chracterization, IMO"
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Remember he was like 22 in that. Its flamboyant impressions and machismo. And EVERYONE was petrified and uninformed on AIDS at that point. I defend the gay material in Delirious, but Raw is straight up misogynist.

And hell yes he could make it today. Chappelle, who is a brilliantly funny stand-up, became the biggest comedy star in the world with about 1/4 of the charisma of young Eddie.

  

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13. "make it today? NIGGA!"
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I don't know if you noticed but these fucking hacks today are doing their best Eddie Murphy impression with a fraction of the talent, and they cover it up by cursing a lot
they get over because niggers will buy shit if you shine it first

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15. "You don't think comedy evolves?"
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You think he would've not figured out how to alter his approach with the same talent?

  

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18. "Your thought implies Eddie got famous b/c he made fun of gays"
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he got famous because he was charismatic and funny, he would have had his same style and talent and made jokes relevant for 2013.

  

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24. "He was insanely funny and charismatic"
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what I'm saying is his JOKE WRITING is suspect. In today's age of comedy geekdom, his act would be considered hacky.

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25. "just stop."
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26. "Again assuming he could not have adapted with the times"
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He did a routine that went over well in the era he did it, you are assuming that he could not write jokes that would have been relevant in 2013.

  

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27. "right, as much as i hate that material"
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i'd LOVE to see what he'd come up with today. he's flirted with a comeback, but not seriously.

  

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28. "entirely possible, but let's not act like we have a plethora of proof"
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I can't think of four funny Eddie Murphy bits that didn't involve impressions and/or singing.

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30. "Anybody in the audience wanna hit this guy w/ a car?"
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>I can't think of four funny Eddie Murphy bits that didn't
>involve impressions and/or singing.

  

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39. "or not give him a napkin at Carvel's"
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>>I can't think of four funny Eddie Murphy bits that didn't
>>involve impressions and/or singing.
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32. "impressionists are NOT universally bad."
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they get a bad rap and i'm not sure why. i mean they CAN be one-note and hacky, but when done right they're a lot of fun (watch james adomian for a modern comic that does it right). his bits about talking to Cosby and impersonating Pryor as a child w/ no life experience are hilarious, and the humor isn't really reliant on the impression itself.

you're also assuming he'd be doing those same impressions today. he wouldn't, although he could probably still get away with james brown and cosby realistically.

  

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33. "Thank you for engaging me rationally"
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I tend to put impressions slightly above props in terms of schlockiness. Even if they were contemporary, I wouldn't find them funny. Aries Spear's rapper impersonations are great, FUN even, but not funny.

If Eddie dropped today, he'd be a an exceptionally funny sketch comedy actor who became a successful comic actor, but I do not believe he would be a revered stand-up comic.

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35. "agree to disagree"
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>If Eddie dropped today, he'd be a an exceptionally funny
>sketch comedy actor who became a successful comic actor, but I
>do not believe he would be a revered stand-up comic.

material aside (and I do enjoy most of it), his stage presence is nearly unmatched. i hate to use such an overused term, but young eddie murphy had as much swagger as anybody in entertainment. i mean... did you see the fucking suits he wore in those specials. he gets shit for them now, but i think he actually pulls it off.

  

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31. "Can you count to 30, nigger?"
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I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that

What I meant to say was 'dumb nigger'

That's better

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And at that moment, I realized some of you aren't doing this for the shits-n-giggles that you're claiming

  

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Cold Truth
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36. "It's too early in the day to close up shop man "
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I want to quit my job and go home for a nap after that one.

-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

  

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