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"Pain & Gain (Bay, 2013)"
Fri Apr-26-13 05:39 AM by ZooTown74

  

          

http://vimeo.com/55964521

The Rock look like he ate ALL the steroids.

michael bay doing his michael bay shit.

April 26.

Based on a TRU Story
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/specialReports/pain-and-gain-from-new-times-story-to-michael-bay-film-1890864/

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miami aerial shots straight out of Bad Boys
Dec 19th 2012
1
Might be Mike Bay's best movie since The Rock YEAH I SAID IT
Dec 19th 2012
2
*rubs tree stump walks on stage*
Jan 08th 2013
5
wow, after reading the story don't know if i'm in for this
Dec 19th 2012
3
Yeah, why wasn't this made into a serious movie?
May 06th 2013
29
      You really think that a story that's THIS absurd should have been
May 06th 2013
30
           pretty much. There's actually a bit more comedy in the real story.
Sep 09th 2013
42
im there for the pontiac fiero alone.
Dec 19th 2012
4
ok this looks hilarious
Jan 08th 2013
6
I'll wait for Frank to review it....
Jan 09th 2013
7
i'll wait for you to review it after that
Apr 26th 2013
14
The red band trailer won me over.
Mar 26th 2013
8
man I can't believe the Rock is a megastar
Mar 26th 2013
9
Why?
Mar 27th 2013
10
      it just blows me away to see what he's become knowing what he was
Mar 27th 2013
11
           I agree
May 06th 2013
32
yea i'm still in
Mar 28th 2013
12
Kicking this back up
Apr 23rd 2013
13
I seriously hope this shit is good, yo
Apr 26th 2013
15
First film I'v seen where there's zero likeable characters
Apr 26th 2013
16
Are you even supposed to like anyone in it?
Apr 26th 2013
17
      Nope. Maybe Ed Harris' character. nm
Apr 26th 2013
18
           bwood your comments are getting to me man, I gotta....
Apr 27th 2013
19
           i also agree with you on ed harris' character
Apr 27th 2013
20
                yup
Sep 08th 2013
37
                it may have been better to have HIM be the sole narrator
Sep 09th 2013
41
Funniest movie I've seen all year. Rock killed it.
Apr 27th 2013
21
ill have to check this out this week/weekend
Apr 28th 2013
22
I agree with bwood, the shit was too long
Apr 28th 2013
23
Yeah. I think there's a good movie there.
Apr 28th 2013
25
^^^ these two comments. Nothing more to be said, really.
May 06th 2013
31
RE: Yeah. I think there's a good movie there.
Sep 07th 2013
35
Oop, forgot about Brad Pitt
May 04th 2013
28
It is enjoyable.
Apr 28th 2013
24
Great Story, Rock killed it, too goddamn long
Apr 29th 2013
26
a hilarious self-caricature of American values.
May 03rd 2013
27
I'm with BWood, Zoo and Ricky on all points
May 10th 2013
33
Such a great* story, such poor characterization
Sep 07th 2013
34
Agreed with all of this. And I didn't even read the novella.
Sep 08th 2013
36
it was a lotta fun tho, freal. n Dwayne killed it.
Sep 08th 2013
38
coked up Rock was funny
Sep 08th 2013
39
the rock was straight clowning the whole movie.
Sep 08th 2013
40
Coulda been a contender
Jan 06th 2014
43
didn't hate it
Jan 06th 2014
44
Zany
Jan 07th 2014
45

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1. "miami aerial shots straight out of Bad Boys"
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this looks awesome. im so there

  

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2. "Might be Mike Bay's best movie since The Rock YEAH I SAID IT"
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I don't think Anthony Mackie makes it to the end of the movie

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5. "*rubs tree stump walks on stage*"
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YEP
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3. "wow, after reading the story don't know if i'm in for this"
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if it had ended w/ the schiller kidnapping that'd be one thing. but the second crime (which doesn't look like it gets covered)....fucking heinous.

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29. "Yeah, why wasn't this made into a serious movie?"
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Making it a comedy really seems callous and disrespectful to the victims families. What they did to Griga and Krisztina is absolutely terrifying.

  

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30. "You really think that a story that's THIS absurd should have been"
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dead serious?

The fact that the true story is itself the blackest of black comedies says that this was the proper-esque way to handle telling this tale... (I say "proper-esque" because it's Michael Bay, he tends to go over-the-top with shit)

And while it's unfortunate, it's not "disrespectful," to the victims to relay what happened to them... it sucks that they have to relive it, but the shit happened, it's an interesting story, and it deserved to be told...

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42. "pretty much. There's actually a bit more comedy in the real story."
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Most of it revolving around the two girlfriends/wives and how, well, dim they were about the whole situation, as well has how bumbling the gang was (in the film it took them three times to kidnap dude - in real life, it was like SEVEN)

  

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4. "im there for the pontiac fiero alone."
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6. "ok this looks hilarious"
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7. "I'll wait for Frank to review it...."
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14. "i'll wait for you to review it after that"
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8. "The red band trailer won me over."
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http://movies.yahoo.com/trailers/red-band/pain-and-gain/

I still probably won't see it in the theaters but this trailer is far better than the initial one IMO.

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9. "man I can't believe the Rock is a megastar"
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10. "Why?"
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On paper, dude has it all.

  

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11. "it just blows me away to see what he's become knowing what he was"
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It's a career transformation not unlike Jay-Z or Justin Timberlake where someone who's already a pretty big star in one arena transcends it and becomes just a mega overall celebrity

  

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32. "I agree"
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And to think, there are cats in that company who are STILL mad at him for coming back and "taking their spots"

And therefore completely ignoring the bigger picture, which mainly is that this dude represents that company each and every time he's out doing his thing (even during the times when he didn't want to be referred to as "The Rock")

Not to mention the fact that he's showing those dummies a way out of the game, lest they end up as another casualty of the sport

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12. "yea i'm still in"
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wow at mackie being the funny one

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13. "Kicking this back up"
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For folks that want to read the original story. Pretty certain I won't watch the flick, but I'm curious to read reviews from folks here that will.

  

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15. "I seriously hope this shit is good, yo"
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I'm avoiding all reviews and not reading the article until after I see it, I want to be surprised and shit

But yeah, I'm rooting for Mike B (not THAT Mike B) to pull this shit off

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16. "First film I'v seen where there's zero likeable characters"
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Cotdamn was everyone dumb as hell. Shit got so ridiculous that near the end, they had to remind you that it's a true story.

Wow, did these cats do some heinous shit and were extremely dumb about it.

Problems: Way too long. It got to the point were I was like wrap it up B. And there's one part where Michael Bay started doing that camera move he loves now where he goes between two rooms in a circle in one shot. He showed restraint (as much as he could) the whole movie, and then it got to that scene and I was like AAAAAAHHHHH!!!

It was good though. Nothing I'd watch again, but worth checking out.

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17. "Are you even supposed to like anyone in it?"
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18. "Nope. Maybe Ed Harris' character. nm"
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19. "bwood your comments are getting to me man, I gotta...."
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get a pump in man....lmao!!!

movie was so bad it was good to me...lmao
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20. "i also agree with you on ed harris' character"
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hell i would like to see a separate film with his character - his character was interesting enough
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37. "yup"
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41. "it may have been better to have HIM be the sole narrator"
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after all, he'll have done background work on all of the criminals, so he'd know their character profiles, motivations, etc. There's no need to have Daniel Lugo tell his own story, especially since we as the audience can't really identify with him because of what he does.

  

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21. "Funniest movie I've seen all year. Rock killed it."
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22. "ill have to check this out this week/weekend"
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honestly, i'm not a fan of ANY of two of the three for separate reasons...

and the third one i find i'm liking less and less these days when he pops up on film.

but the trailers hooked me and i'm curious to see how Bay told *THIS* particular story...

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23. "I agree with bwood, the shit was too long"
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Or at least it felt too long, since the opening 30 minutes or so was a slog, which hurt the overall pacing of it

I also felt like the voice-overs were a huge cheat, especially since the ideas that are introduced through them (mainly that the deluded Lugo thought he could mimic crime movies in order to cheat his way to his definition of reaching the American Dream) aren't fully developed... either just have Wahlberg say the line he said in the trailer that summed everything up ("I watched a lot of movies, Paul, I know what I'm doing"), or don't even introduce the idea, which is a great one and deserves further exploration...

The positives are that Wahlberg (off the top of my head, I can't think of a cat who does the Goofy-Dim American Guy better than he does), The Rock, Mackie, and Shalhoub all gave very good performances.

And I didn't mind Bay's stylistic tics this time out, as despite the dark subject matter this is still supposed to be a manic crime comedy... which is why I felt the initial slow pacing threw everything off... the movie didn't have to be in and out in 90 minutes but trimming it down to 1:40-1:45 would have helped...

Bay should have played TLC's Waterfalls over the end credits...

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25. "Yeah. I think there's a good movie there."
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>Or at least it felt too long, since the opening 30 minutes or
>so was a slog, which hurt the overall pacing of it
>
>I also felt like the voice-overs were a huge cheat, especially
>since the ideas that are introduced through them (mainly that
>the deluded Lugo thought he could mimic crime movies in order
>to cheat his way to his definition of reaching the American
>Dream) aren't fully developed... either just have Wahlberg say
>the line he said in the trailer that summed everything up ("I
>watched a lot of movies, Paul, I know what I'm doing"), or
>don't even introduce the idea, which is a great one and
>deserves further exploration...

Yeah, Bay's chaotic, jumbled attempt at character development could have been simplified. Trim 10 minutes easily from the first third. Do I need to see The Rock beat up dudes in prison or Mackie's doctor visit stretched that thin? Probably not.

Did any of the voiceovers outside of Wahlberg's work? Not really. Keep his intro and outro to serve as bookends and then cut the rest.

Shove Rob Corddry and Rebel Wilson to the back a bit.

The trio were fuck-ups. The first two failed kidnapping attempts demonstrated that and weren't bad in their own context, but they aren't necessary.

The whole courtroom stuff was another unnecessary five minutes. Wahlberg is greeted by Florida's finest. Dissolve to him spotting for dude's in prison and play closing narration.

I'd pay twenty bucks to see a Soderbergh edit of this.

>The positives are that Wahlberg (off the top of my head, I
>can't think of a cat who does the Goofy-Dim American Guy
>better than he does), The Rock, Mackie, and Shalhoub all gave
>very good performances.

Wahlberg was surprising. Not the level of his performance but how, at times, "decent" his character was. For instance, when he greets the two overweight gym members early on, I was expecting him to wince at their size or make some crude narration joke at their expense; instead, he gave them sincere acknowledgement, as though to appreciate their effort / hard work (same thing later when he was talking with Mackie about Mackie's love for "plumpness"). Yes, he was horrendous otherwise, but it was actually Bay, through his camera, that seemed even more cruel to people in general than his characters: fixating on every abnormal size, the pointless poop joke, etc. (I haven't seen much of Bay's work, but if I had I had to guess what character he was most like, I would say Shalhoub: misogynistic, juvenile, condescending. Shalhoub was the least likable character to me.) Those choices are all within Bay's rights as a director, but a stronger producer / editor could have reined in some of these nonessential moments, especially with how out of sync they appeared with the rest of the story (the false Fargo ending didn't feel like it belonged either).

>Bay should have played TLC's Waterfalls over the end
>credits...

I could buy that. In fact, with one exception, the music throughout was pretty clumsily placed. You'd think a director like Bay would be better versed in montage, but I guess not.

  

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35. "RE: Yeah. I think there's a good movie there."
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>The trio were fuck-ups. The first two failed kidnapping
>attempts demonstrated that and weren't bad in their own
>context, but they aren't necessary.

The fact that they fucked up twice is a key point in the original story, and underscores just how bad of fuckups they were. My problem with those two scenes is that they could have actually been just a bit funnier if played and shot differently (when reading them in he novella as they actually happened, they're both hilarious)

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>The whole courtroom stuff was another unnecessary five
>minutes. Wahlberg is greeted by Florida's finest. Dissolve
>to him spotting for dude's in prison and play closing
>narration.

I think the courtroom scenes coudl have been trimmed but not excised completely. Not if that meant getting rid of Doorbals wife's "fuck you speech".

  

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28. "Oop, forgot about Brad Pitt"
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>(off the top of my head, I can't think of a cat who does the Goofy-Dim American Guy better than he does)

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24. "It is enjoyable."
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Marky Mark is getting better as time goes by, The Rock holds up surprisingly well in these films he's in, and I like Anthony Mackie too.

The story is pretty dark, and this is a light-hearted and very black comedy version of that stuff.

Michael Bay should just do films like this, and abandon Transformers 6, or whatever.

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26. "Great Story, Rock killed it, too goddamn long"
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And yes The Rock looked like what Batman would look like in real life.


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27. "a hilarious self-caricature of American values."
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in the warped chase for success in the USA, the poor are dumb, the rich are soulless, and those in-between are unfulfilled lawn-mowers. it's a sobering and comical race to the bottom.

I loved the contrasts: hard work is the mantra, yet success comes through falsities (note the army of silicone models in every scene). our felonious leads will go on a jingoistic rant about Chinese manufacturing, yet be happily fleeced when an Asian conman sells their own dreams back to them.

Bay's maligned style is the perfect way to capture these moments -- whether intentionally or by genius idiocy -- and Wahlberg leads the pack with his unknowing comedian routine.

by the end of the movie, the actions of everyone involved has made for one big clusterfuck. not unlike "the American dream" itself.

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astralblak
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33. "I'm with BWood, Zoo and Ricky on all points"
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ROCK is the fucn man tho

And ytgurl made my dick move a couple of times

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34. "Such a great* story, such poor characterization"
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*great as in "interesting", not great as in "a positive thing to happen". The shit was a horrific murder, but a horrific murder done by Latino/Negro version of the Three Stooges (it threw me when Walberg said something about "there's a white lady in there - then I remembered he's supposed to be playing a Latino)

Lugo's and Doorbal's characters and motivations are clearly laid out in the novella - like perfectly. But Bay spends no time attempting to paint them as anything other than two-dimensional caricatures. A little more time spent on Lugo & Doorbal as people (and less spent on gratuitous slo mo I KNOW, I KNOW) and the picture would have been 50% better.

All the characterization goes to their fictitious Paul Doyle, though that also has a lot to do with the fact that the Rock is a brilliant actor in this movie and plays the part of this bipolar loose cannon very well. Some of it, however, has to do with the fact that - no offense - the Rock has too much screen time. Or least he has too much screen time compared to the in-my-head version of this movie I saw when I read the original story, because Doorbal, his wife, and Lugo's crazy European girlfriend WHO ACTUALLY THOUGHT THESE MOFOS WERE CIA AGENTS basically got shafted.

Overall too long and (even for this crime comedy set in 1990s Miami) a little TOO inconsequential as far as its handling of the story - the torture & cutting up of the body parts is taken far too lightly for jobs done by incompetents who've never done such a thing before.

  

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36. "Agreed with all of this. And I didn't even read the novella."
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38. "it was a lotta fun tho, freal. n Dwayne killed it."
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and plus any time i walk away from a Bay film not bemused, confused and kinda disgusted, it's GOOD.

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39. "coked up Rock was funny"
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I am still chuckling at that nigga and that whole grill shit, from his reaction to marky mark
Telling him to do it, to him outside on that grill. It's fucked up, but I think that's the funniest shit I've seen this year.

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40. "the rock was straight clowning the whole movie."
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i knew he was funny but damn.

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43. "Coulda been a contender"
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in the hands of another director

Had it's moments but overall just way too sloopy

  

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44. "didn't hate it"
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45. "Zany"
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its wild that some of this was real



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