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The Analyst
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"In-depth analysis of Chris Nolan's techniques by David Bordwell"
Tue Aug-21-12 02:51 PM by The Analyst

  

          

This fucking thing is a really long read, but I found it extremely interesting - an incredibly detailed breakdown of Christopher Nolan's strengths and weaknesses as a filmmaker. Very sober analysis. (Ebert calls Bordwell the best film critic in America.)

I think it's too long to actually swipe, but this excerpt kind of sums up the piece:

"Nolan’s work deserves attention even though some of it lacks elegance and cohesion at the shot-to-shot level. The stylistic faults I pointed to above and that echo other writers’ critiques are offset by his innovative approach to overarching form. And sometimes he does exercise a stylistic control that suits his broader ambitions. When he mobilizes visual technique to sharpen and nuance his architectural ambitions, we find a solid integration of texture and structure, fine grain and large pattern."

I thought it was interesting. Here's the link:

http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/2012/08/19/nolan-vs-nolan/

EDIT: I stand corrected - it's really not *that* long, but you really need the screen shots to do it justice.

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Great piece. I agree with basically all of it.
Aug 21st 2012
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RE: Great piece. I agree with basically all of it.
Aug 21st 2012
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what I care about is having fun at the movies. His shit ain't fun.
Aug 21st 2012
2
This is an aspect to film a LOT of ppl miss, sadly.
Aug 21st 2012
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no you simple-minded commoner
Aug 21st 2012
8
really? i dunno his movies are hella fun.
Aug 22nd 2012
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again, all praise due for Inception
Aug 21st 2012
3
Because he breaks most of the rules he sets for him self.
Aug 21st 2012
9
      totem never had rules in the first place.
Aug 22nd 2012
10
           Then for me it was a nightmare.
Aug 22nd 2012
11
so, his visuals aren't better than night dogg, like i said years ago?
Aug 21st 2012
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Nolan's visuals *look* smooth and glossy cuz Wally is a good DP...
Aug 21st 2012
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that's a Hella long read
Aug 22nd 2012
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good read. and not THAT long.
Aug 23rd 2012
14
This guy is an awesome writer
Aug 23rd 2012
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bordwell's one of the best
Aug 23rd 2012
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He might be *the* best.
Aug 23rd 2012
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      He's the best IMHO. Been trying to recommend his blog and books
Aug 23rd 2012
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Frank Longo
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1. "Great piece. I agree with basically all of it."
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I admire the scope and reach of Nolan's work and his desire to try to flesh out some neat gimmickry, and certainly if imperfect the Dark Knight trilogy is definitely trying something new (even if, like the article suggests, it's easy to poke holes in Nolan's buckshot approach to sociopolitical relevance).

I think Bordwell finds that Inception holds together slightly better than I find it to on multiple viewings. His "is a fifth layer the breaking point?" hypothetical seems to suggest his opinion is that Nolan pulls it off, and while I think Nolan does pull it off, he certainly sacrifices things like character and visual storytelling in spots to make it work, whereas The Prestige seems far more balanced to me-- I'm taken into the parallel stories without noting "wow, look at how many balls Nolan is keeping in the air!"

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The Analyst
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6. "RE: Great piece. I agree with basically all of it."
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Tue Aug-21-12 06:18 PM by The Analyst

  

          

>I admire the scope and reach of Nolan's work and his desire
>to try to flesh out some neat gimmickry, and certainly if
>imperfect the Dark Knight trilogy is definitely trying
>something new (even if, like the article suggests, it's easy
>to poke holes in Nolan's buckshot approach to sociopolitical
>relevance).
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>I think Bordwell finds that Inception holds together slightly
>better than I find it to on multiple viewings. His "is a fifth
>layer the breaking point?" hypothetical seems to suggest his
>opinion is that Nolan pulls it off, and while I think Nolan
>does pull it off, he certainly sacrifices things like
>character and visual storytelling in spots to make it work,
>whereas The Prestige seems far more balanced to me-- I'm taken
>into the parallel stories without noting "wow, look at how
>many balls Nolan is keeping in the air!"

I agree with you. When you watch Inception, the whole time you're cognizant of the fact that you're watching what amounts to a big tricky gimmick. (But I like how Bordwell points out how each of the four dream levels are each "built on classic Hollywood plot arcs.")

This article actually lessened my (already fairly low) opinion Nolan's technical acumen but increased my appreciation of the way he structures his films.

I need to read this blog more.

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2. "what I care about is having fun at the movies. His shit ain't fun."
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bottom line.

  

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7. "This is an aspect to film a LOT of ppl miss, sadly."
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8. "no you simple-minded commoner"
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films is suppose to be art: serious, high-minded, deep, cathartic. fun, lol. fun is for dummies. go watch reality tv philistine

yes, i'm being sarcastic...


  

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12. "really? i dunno his movies are hella fun."
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not like a "whiz bang" fun but an "i cant look away because this is riveting as hell" fun

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3. "again, all praise due for Inception"
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which is basically The Prestige + Memento on crack. he spent the entire movie explaining his magic trick, showing the magic trick work on other people, and at the end, the audience was *still* fooled.

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9. "Because he breaks most of the rules he sets for him self."
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Know why the ending doesn't matter?

Cause a scene beforehand we see Watanabe touching Leo's totem, so it is no longer reliable whether it falls or not.

and of course
look at these things:
Recent show - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyNJgTalegs
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10. "totem never had rules in the first place."
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that was Nolan pulling an inception on the audience. and it's fair play because he showed Cobb using the same trick on Mal.

the movie becomes our dream in the end, and we decide how we want to wake up.

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Reggie Jacxzon
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11. "Then for me it was a nightmare."
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I am not anti-Nolan by any means, I think Memento gets a bad rap (so what if it's a gimmick, the movie works) and while I don't think Dark Knight is the greatest trilogy ever I understand why some it is for some people.

But Inception... man do I hate Inception. 50 viewings of a movie like that will do it to a man.

and of course
look at these things:
Recent show - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyNJgTalegs
Recent article - http://www.rapconqueso.com/2012/05/underneath-willie-evans-jr/
New Tough Junkie https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/missing/id594220223

  

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4. "so, his visuals aren't better than night dogg, like i said years ago? "
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Tue Aug-21-12 05:49 PM by Basaglia

  

          

sooner or later, y'all gotta stop being mad at the agendas and cop to some basic truths.

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5. "Nolan's visuals *look* smooth and glossy cuz Wally is a good DP..."
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But, as the Bordwell post points out, his uneconomical and illogical editing strategies and unimaginative compositions makes his shit feel clunky.

As for the M. Night comparison, I don't have a dog in that fight, but I can at least say that you'd probably love one of Bordwell's old pieces where he talks about some plot holes Marty left in Shutter Island - he basically says they were things Shyamalan would have cleaned up if it was him directing.

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13. "that's a Hella long read"
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i honestly skimmed through 45% of it, BUT...

i never really thought of the effect (or technique) fast cuts/edits and how it plays a role in the narrative and the way characters and stories develop. that was new and interesting food for thought to me.

the best part IMO was him speaking on how Hollywood really doesn't make political films or politically poignant films, even when they attempt to

  

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14. "good read. and not THAT long."
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15. "This guy is an awesome writer"
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I think PTP'ers are kinda giving it short shrift.

  

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16. "bordwell's one of the best"
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His textbook with Kristin Thompson is a great primer on how to watch films like a filmmaker.

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17. "He might be *the* best."
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He's great at making ideas which are very "film school" extremely accessible and rarely intimidating. Like, you could show that Nolan article to someone who just likes Nolan films, and while they may disagree, they should be able to understand what he's saying about style and structure.

He's just a really good teacher when he writes. Which more writers should aspire to.

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18. "He's the best IMHO. Been trying to recommend his blog and books "
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as much as I can in all the movie books/websites posts in PTP.

  

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