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"Is Ray Liotta A "Great" Actor?"


  

          

He delivered a great performance in what many people consider to be the greatest American film of all time, but his Filmography is a little shaky. Besides Copland, I can't think of anything else he really stood out in. What say you PTP? Are there other Ray Liotta performances worth talking about? Is GoodFellas enough to consider him among the greats?



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He's outstanding in Narc.
Jan 17th 2012
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^^^^^^^^^^
Jan 17th 2012
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^^^^Non-fiction
Jan 17th 2012
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Ray Liotta was in Citizen Kane?
Jan 17th 2012
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I hedged.
Jan 17th 2012
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      RE: I hedged.
Jan 17th 2012
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      i think the coen brothers could get some of the old heads back
Jan 21st 2012
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Nope
Jan 17th 2012
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If consistency was the standard, you couldn't consider a lot of folk
Jan 17th 2012
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      All of those guys were pretty consistent in their primes
Jan 17th 2012
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      "Consistent in their primes" is the whole point!
Jan 18th 2012
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           point is they had primes
Jan 18th 2012
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                This
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                Ray's been consistent throughout his career
Jan 18th 2012
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      Brando ain't Italian & those guys had decade-plus long runs
Jan 17th 2012
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Absolutely. Even in shit movies, he still does amazing work
Jan 17th 2012
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Is this a situation of putting up numbers on a shitty team though?
Jan 17th 2012
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      I think part of this....
Jan 17th 2012
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      GAWD DAMN @ the Katy Perry Bikini Photos
Jan 17th 2012
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      are we talking ACTING or THE MOVIES HE'S IN?
Jan 18th 2012
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Watch Something Wild, if you haven't seen it yet. His 2nd best perf.
Jan 17th 2012
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The Wordman explains why Ray Liotta is a GREAT actor
Jan 18th 2012
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You've articulated what I was thinking. Thanks.
Jan 18th 2012
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POAST END POAST RIGHT HERE
Jan 18th 2012
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Well, allow me to offer a counterpoint.
Jan 19th 2012
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      Andre Dawson isn't less of a player just 'cause he's on the Cubs
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           Forgetting the basics? Dude, I coach acting for a living, lol.
Jan 19th 2012
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                ^^ Agreed. That's what I was trying to get at above...n/m
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                RE: Forgetting the basics? Dude, I coach acting for a living, lol.
Jan 19th 2012
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                     In general, that's how I feel about evaluating actors & actresses
Jan 19th 2012
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                          But here's my question then:
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                               Wordman's "off the top" criteria:
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                               I think everyone in movies should have most of these:
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                                    RE: I think everyone in movies should have most of these:
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                                         This conversation is fascinating.
Jan 21st 2012
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                                              Interesting epilogue
Jan 22nd 2012
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                               RE: But here's my question then:
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                                    Fair enough.
Jan 19th 2012
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                                         I got to side with Wordup, Franky Baby
Jan 20th 2012
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Great? No. Underrated? Most definitely.
Jan 18th 2012
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I didn't even like him in Goodfellas
Jan 18th 2012
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^^^lives across the street from Karen
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      HA!
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      LMAO
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      Lol. My, My, My, what a wonderful witty reply
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      ha!
Jan 19th 2012
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      Hilarious
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      ladies and gentleman, we have a winner.
Jan 20th 2012
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      well played
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      well played
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      THAT... was some high quality snarkage.
Jan 21st 2012
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      *dead*
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RE: No, No, No
Jan 27th 2012
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You'll read a lot of think pieces, but Wordman
May 26th 2022
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Wordman deserves to make the RIP post for Ray Liotta
May 26th 2022
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lol and I clearly hadn't yet seen Something Wild
May 26th 2022
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      I almost mentioned you by name to see if you had changed your vote.
May 31st 2022
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           I mean, I don't *disagree* with what I said up there, technically...
May 31st 2022
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I had to check the dates on the earlier posts
May 27th 2022
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Goodfellas isn’t even the top mob movie of all time,
May 27th 2022
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lol
May 31st 2022
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      Joker really did come in here to mention Gone with the Wind as a better
Jun 07th 2022
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I wouldn't put him above John Cusack, and Steve Martin's Hill>>>>>>>
May 31st 2022
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Great tribute from Scorsese (Swipe)
Jun 07th 2022
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He took a lotta shit roles later on for the $$$.
Jun 10th 2022
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Frank Longo
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1. "He's outstanding in Narc."
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4. "^^^^^^^^^^"
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13. "^^^^Non-fiction"
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2. "Ray Liotta was in Citizen Kane?"
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Tue Jan-17-12 10:36 AM by The Analyst

  

          

Just kidding. Goodfellas has some stiff competition to to be considered amongst the greatest of all American films, but that point aside, he definitely can be great in the right role. Copland & Field of Dreams. I haven't seen BLOW in a long time so I can't remember if he was good or if his Boston accent took him into razzie territory.

Now he must really need (or just really want) money (not knocking him), because for the last decade or so he pretty much took roles in exclusively B- and C-List movies of no significance.

I'm not sure how to answer the question. I think he can be great at acting, but I'm not sure he's a Great Actor when you look at his overall body of work. Besides Henry, he really doesn't have many (any?) classic characters/roles that he would need to be considered amongst the greats.

I guess, with that said, my whole post kind of needs an asterisk because I haven't see most of his movies post-2002.

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3. "I hedged."
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Tue Jan-17-12 10:59 AM by Buddy_Gilapagos

  

          

I know there won't be a consensus on what is the GOAT movie but there are many people, self included, who fell like Goodfellas is that film.

AS far as post 2001 Ray Liotta, you ain't miss much. I have been surprised to see him in some real b & C movies lately.

On a related note, but should probably be a spinoff. I think QT got it right when he decided that there is so much older hollywood talent that is undervalued and careers worth reviving on the cheap. Ray Liotta would be a prime candidate in my opinion.



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5. "RE: I hedged."
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>On a related note, but should probably be a spinoff. I think
>QT got it right when he decided that there is so much older
>hollywood talent that is undervalued and careers worth
>reviving on the cheap. Ray Liotta would be a prime candidate
>in my opinion.

Great point. It's really a win-win, because older talent that may have been phoning it in for decades will really want to go all out in a QT movie, knowing that the performance will be very widely seen and discussed (not to mention the fact that it's a chance at a "re-birth" or new career phase.) I'd love to see Liotta in a Tarantino movie.

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49. "i think the coen brothers could get some of the old heads back"
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6. "Nope"
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He's had some excellent performances, but he's too inconsistent to be great

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8. "If consistency was the standard, you couldn't consider a lot of folk"
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De Niro, Pacino, Brando and that's just the italians.

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9. "All of those guys were pretty consistent in their primes"
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17. ""Consistent in their primes" is the whole point!"
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If you're only "consistent in your prime" then you're not consistent.



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20. "point is they had primes"
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pretty lengthy ones at that

ray's had spurts

  

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25. "Ray's been consistent throughout his career"
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His acting is just as good now as it was in the '80s, if not better.
Find me another actor who doesn't start phoning it in after 2 decades, much less 3.
THAT's consistency.
Having a good stretch of good performances is just that - a good stretch. That's not consistency.
You want to talk about Brando, De Niro, Pacino and such being in better movies - no argument.
You want to talk about cats who can't deliver on their end after 6, 7 movies - that's something else.


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15. "Brando ain't Italian & those guys had decade-plus long runs"
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>De Niro, Pacino, Brando and that's just the italians.
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>the test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold
>two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still
>retain the ability to function.

  

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7. "Absolutely. Even in shit movies, he still does amazing work"
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Check him in POWDER BLUE for example. Movie's direct to video quality, but he's giving an A+ performance. I mean, he's great in bit parts too. I thought he made HANNIBAL, and even something like IDENTITY, he's shining. He's one of those guys you can go to and know that you're gonna get what you wanted from him and a touch more.

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10. "Is this a situation of putting up numbers on a shitty team though?"
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I'm not saying it is - I'm just posing the question.

Is it easier to put in good work in straight-to-video, shitty movies where there is no pressure or scrutiny or bright spotlights?

I can't believe this is a situation of Liotta not being able to get work in high-profile movies - he probably wants the no-pressure, easy-payday route even if it's to the determent of his prestige. I can't even say I'd knock him. It's like the athlete who'd rather get a big payday with a mediocre team then take a paycut to play for a contender; it's not just the money, it's the added stress and pressure to perform at a high level night in and night out.

I think it might be more impressive to do something like DiCaprio is doing - maybe his performances aren't universally acclaimed, but there is something to be said about taking massively visible roles in major movies with (for the sake of this discussion) elite directors and not shying away from the pressures of the spotlight.

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11. "I think part of this...."
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>I can't believe this is a situation of Liotta not being able
>to get work in high-profile movies

...(and I'm just making an assumption) is that he has a substance problem, which lead to a DUI arrest. http://www.tmz.com/2007/12/06/liottas-gotta-lotta-trouble/#.TxW7wIFO_To

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12. "GAWD DAMN @ the Katy Perry Bikini Photos"
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18. "are we talking ACTING or THE MOVIES HE'S IN?"
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Because if we're talking acting, then the quality of the movie is really sort of moot.
He's great in horrible movies AND classics.

>Is it easier to put in good work in straight-to-video, shitty
>movies where there is no pressure or scrutiny or bright
>spotlights?

Not neccessarily. Good acting is hard to do no matter what the quality of the film is. People are going to see you act in it, whether they gotta get the movie direct-to-video or on the big screen. You still gotta make it work.

>I can't believe this is a situation of Liotta not being able
>to get work in high-profile movies - he probably wants the
>no-pressure, easy-payday route even if it's to the determent
>of his prestige. I can't even say I'd knock him. It's like
>the athlete who'd rather get a big payday with a mediocre team
>then take a paycut to play for a contender; it's not just the
>money, it's the added stress and pressure to perform at a high
>level night in and night out.

It's more about the work. There's more work for an actor willing to take less pay and play smaller roles than there is for an actor to go from big budget flick to big budget flick. It's sort of why you haven't seen Jamie Foxx in more than 10 minutes of a movie in five years but Don Cheadle gets steady work.
As for acting pressure, I'm hard pressed to believe he's not taking big name projects because of "acting pressure." The man's in GOODFELLAS, you want to talk about acting pressure? Try looking more natural than Robert De Niro. Try pulling the spotlight from Joe Pesci. Try working for one of the biggest directors of all time. Try delivering in a movie with voice-over narration, as the main character, who falls heavy in the third act, with an ending that makes you despise him, all while trying to stand out amongst an all star cast. THAT'S pressure. And we all see how that turned out - Liotta gave an amazing performance.

>I think it might be more impressive to do something like
>DiCaprio is doing - maybe his performances aren't universally
>acclaimed, but there is something to be said about taking
>massively visible roles in major movies with (for the sake of
>this discussion) elite directors and not shying away from the
>pressures of the spotlight.

Two things cats forget when it comes to Leonardo DiCaprio.
*He can AFFORD to go from big budget movie to big budget movie. He made enough money off TITANIC to never have to work again. His grandchildren won't have to work because of that boat movie.
*He had five years where he made nothing noteworthy. Pull up his IMDB page and see for yourself. Cat had 2 years of "best new kid doing it" to FIVE YEARS of boring movies. He was written off until Scorcese pulled a Lazarus (remember, nobody was really checking for Scorcese when he made GANGS OF NEW YORK in 2002).


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14. "Watch Something Wild, if you haven't seen it yet. His 2nd best perf."
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16. "The Wordman explains why Ray Liotta is a GREAT actor"
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When it comes to modern actors, particularly modern American actors who were not part of the '90s American Indie scene, you unfortunately have to throw out filmography as a measure of talent. Trust, no one is more upset about that fact than me, but it is a fact. You just can't blame today's American actor for the lack of quality material.
Now, to speak on WHY Ray Liotta is a GREAT actor. Again, bullet point style.
*Ray does not put "acting" in front of "story." Ray works to the benefit of the story. Assisting in film is not the same as assisting in sports. It's not an act of deference. It's a show of talent. This is why he seems to be great in great movies, good in good movies, and "okay" in everything else. He doesn't play "bigger than the frame" - like Marlon Brando during the "I don't care" phase of his career. He doesn't "phone it in" - like Robert De Niro in pretty much everything since the '80s. He commits to what he plays, and what he's playing is a person in a certain world. You can't know how priceless such a gift is.
*He makes other actors look good by making it look like the other actor is making the choices in the scene. He's one of the best invisible back-leaders ever, especially considering how big a name he is.
*He is utterly believable, in everything. Find me 2 minutes where you don't believe him in a film.
*He has an uncommon gift for "letting the passenger drive" in the middle of a scene. I should probably explain what that means. In every scene - okay, for argument's sake, in just about every scene - he can be playing the character who is "driving" the scene, or the character who has the big moment in the scene ("driving" and "having the big moment" are not the same thing), and then MID-SCENE let the other actor take over. It's a tonal shift that's almost impossible to pull off - like switching seats with the passenger in a car WHILE DRIVING. Yet Liotta can do this with such ease you really believe the other guy in the scene is running things. There are great actors today who can do this (Tom Hanks and Denzel Washington come to mind), but Liotta's technique is more subtle.
*He's an "inside-out" actor who is concerned with "the outside." Yeah, he pretty much has the same face in every movie (something that arguably can't be helped), but the external stuff (his stance in FIELD OF DREAMS, the goatee in NARC, everything he does in YOUTH IN REVOLT) he does is GOLDEN.
*He's one of the few modern actors who can deliver a monologue. You have no idea how tough that is, especially for film actors. Liotta can deliver 2, 3 minutes of uninterrupted lines without the audience being aware that they're listening to a monologue. He doesn't do it often (it's a technique many filmmakers are scared to attempt, out of fear that the actor can't pull it off), he's got the kind of face that "says more than words," but look at some of the scenes in CORRINA, CORRINA or his scenes with Johnny Depp in BLOW.
*He can play intensity in degrees. I should explain what that means. Take Shia Lebouf for example (I apologize to PTP and Pelikula, the goddess of all things cinematic, for mentioning his name in a discussion on acting). Ask Shia to play "intense within a series of intense scenes" and you'll get a flat performance - you'll get Shia doing his one "intense-face" the entire time. Ask Ray Liotta to play "intense within a series of intense scenes" and you get this wonderful performance full of depth and nuance. Watch NARC, he never plays the same kind of angry twice; or for an even better example, watch CORRINA, CORRINA and see just how many different shades of frustrated he plays. He plays to the shade of the adjective, not merely the adjective.
*He's an actor who can choose to "act a cat out the room" at will. It's one of the reasons you don't see him in movies with other big name "acting" stars. If Al Pacino is having an off day, or Anthony Hopkins just isn't up to it, you will see it if they're in a scene with Ray Liotta. Remember that song "Big Pimpin'" by Jay-Z? Remember how Bun B "murdered Jay on his own shit"? Yeah, that's the kind of level Ray Liotta can bring. He does a good job of downplaying this fact (see my first two points), but he's an actor who can do it.
*He's had about 3 decades of acting work, and he hasn't started phoning it in. I dare you to name me another modern actor who can claim such a distinction.

Ask for examples if need be, but that should explain it.

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22. "You've articulated what I was thinking. Thanks."
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If you can throw in some youtube clips to demostrate some of your points you will have the syllabus for a Ray Liotta Acting Seminar.

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29. "Well, allow me to offer a counterpoint."
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If he's so great, where are his great movies?

It can easily be argued that outside of Goodfellas and Field of Dreams, he has BUPKIS on his resume. He has a small number of good supporting performances in decent thrillers, and he's been in a dozen comedies ranging from okay (Youth in Revolt, Date Night) to terrible (Dumbo Drop, Observe and Report, Wild Hogs).

Usually when I see Ray Liotta in a film, I have the same reaction that I have when I see Samuel L. Jackson or Christopher Walken in B, C, and D-grade flicks-- hope you got a nice paycheck for this, Ray!

Sure, he elevates individual scenes... but where are his memorable performances? In fact, outside of Narc (which is pretty good mostly because of Liotta), name me a good movie in which Liotta gives the best performance. I don't think you can. Too many bad movies, too many better actors in his good movies.

If you can't be called the best part of a great movie, and you don't have more than five very good movies on your resume, I don't think I can call you a great actor. I like Liotta, and his intensity is trademarked... but he's not great. He's merely a good actor in films below his talent level who is capable of giving a great performance yet rarely has.

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30. "Andre Dawson isn't less of a player just 'cause he's on the Cubs"
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Just because everyone thinks of the name Ryne Sandburg first doesn't mean he's not a hall of famer.

You can't base a cat's acting talent on the movies he's in.
Those are two separate things.
It's not the 1940s, where a great actor will be a shoe-in for only great movie.
Martin Balsam is a great actor.
Joseph Cotton is a great actor.
If the two of them were making movies today, they'd have the same resume as Ray Liotta.
The fact that Liotta doesn't outshine his cast in most of his movies is a positive trait, it means he's willing to put the good of the movie ahead of himself. It's called doing it the right way.
I don't rush to see his movies either - who's up for DUMBO DROP? - but I do that he's gonna deliver.
Cats are forgetting the basics here.



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32. "Forgetting the basics? Dude, I coach acting for a living, lol."
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Not to mention studying film as my side hustle.

Great actors were NOT shoe-ins for only great movies in the 1940s by a long shot. Cary Grant and Jimmy Stewart were in a large number of films that ranged from forgettable to turd. The studio system made it even more likely that you'd have an uneven resume.

I also don't use the term "great" loosely. Obviously the overwhelming majority of actors who get consistent work are great actors. Frank Grillo is a great actor, technically speaking, but no one would describe him as one of the greats. I'm not discussing Liotta's technical ability. In the right role, any actor can give a great performance, including Keanu Reeves and Channing Tatum.

Greatness is determined by resume. And actually, yes, sports athletes' legacies are tainted if they don't have rings. There are tiers of legacies-- All-Stars, followed by champion role players, followed by MVPs, followed by champion stars. Dawson won't be ranked above Mantle, DiMaggio, and Mays ever in the court of public opinion. Kirby Puckett and Bernie Williams elevated their status on the best CFs of all-time list tremendously with titles. People love a star with titles on his resume.

And Liotta hasn't even sniffed the playoffs in twenty years. Narc is the only thing close.

BTW, I'm arguing against a guy who I love seeing in movies. He's obviously technically great. But he's no DeNiro, Pacino, Brando, Nicholson, etc.-- THOSE are the greats, the people with multiple GREAT films under their belts.

I don't describe many actors under the age of 60 as "great" actors today. If you call Liotta great, you're putting him with DiCaprio, Day-Lewis, and the like. And he's just not there.

>Just because everyone thinks of the name Ryne Sandburg first
>doesn't mean he's not a hall of famer.
>
>You can't base a cat's acting talent on the movies he's in.
>Those are two separate things.
>It's not the 1940s, where a great actor will be a shoe-in for
>only great movie.
>Martin Balsam is a great actor.
>Joseph Cotton is a great actor.
>If the two of them were making movies today, they'd have the
>same resume as Ray Liotta.
>The fact that Liotta doesn't outshine his cast in most of his
>movies is a positive trait, it means he's willing to put the
>good of the movie ahead of himself. It's called doing it the
>right way.
>I don't rush to see his movies either - who's up for DUMBO
>DROP? - but I do that he's gonna deliver.
>Cats are forgetting the basics here.
>
>
>
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>has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

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33. "^^ Agreed. That's what I was trying to get at above...n/m"
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36. "RE: Forgetting the basics? Dude, I coach acting for a living, lol."
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I've never considered an actor greater than another based on the quality of his films. It's wholly unfair to the actor. Leonardo DiCaprio and Daniel Day-Lewis aren't greater because they're in better movies (incidentally, they're greater actors because they're better actors).
Ray Liotta hasn't starred in an interesting movie in YEARS - a fact completely independent of his acting talent.
Greatness in acting is not determined by resume.
Greatness in acting is determined by the quality of the work.
And the quality of his work is great.
I wouldn't be thrilled to sit through all of his films (if I never watch CHARLIE ST. CLOUD ever again...) - who the fuck would? - but look at what he's done for as long as he's done it, and yeah, he's a great actor.



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37. "In general, that's how I feel about evaluating actors & actresses"
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Greatness of the film and even greatness of the role factors in less for me. I think we're in the minority, though, Wordman.

  

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38. "But here's my question then:"
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>Greatness of the film and even greatness of the role factors
>in less for me. I think we're in the minority, though,
>Wordman.

Who's a "bad" actor? I can think of a million great actors when it comes to actors that bring it to the role every time. I love Emily Mortimer. I love Frank Grillo. I love Toby Jones (he's even trying in Your Highness!). I love Marion Cotillard. I love Shea Whigham. I love Zoe Wanamaker.

I think there are extremely FEW actors who work consistently in cinema who AREN'T great-- really the only exceptions being young pretty and vapid people, and even some of them get much better with age and experience.

I mean, how does one differentiate between the Leos and the Liottas and the Whighams of the world without considering their role choices? Can you?

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39. "Wordman's "off the top" criteria:"
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PREFACE:
Movies really shouldn't have bad actors/acting. The amount of time, work and effort that is required to have a career in film should attrite out bad acting.
Think of it in terms of professional sports. Nobody who has a career in the NBA is a bad basketball player. They're all good basketball players. It's just a matter of determining who is great players.

"OFF THE TOP" CRITERIA:
*Can play degrees of emotions.
*Rage and range.
*Elevates scenes.
*Lose their self in the performance.
*Doesn't get blown away by Robert De Niro.
*Screen presence.
*Years.
*Level of quality over those years.
*Doesn't drown.
*Can perform at a level that is higher than others.




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41. "I think everyone in movies should have most of these:"
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>*Can play degrees of emotions.

Everyone should have these, albeit they express those emotions in their own way.

>*Rage and range.

I don't know that rage is necessarily important. I haven't seen a number of my favorite actresses express rage, in particular. Range is important to some degree, but if someone becomes a big star, they don't get to showcase their range anymore, so the roles for famous people dictate the ability to display range to some degree.

>*Elevates scenes.

Sure. But again, if a scene is stagnant, either the editors did a rough job or this movie isn't of professional quality across the board.

>*Lose their self in the performance.

Sure. But you don't see most actors breaking character, so this one should be standard for all actors.

>*Doesn't get blown away by Robert De Niro.

Methinks you included this primarily for Liotta. I think anyone who can hang with any actor who is consider an "all-time great" deserves praise. Viola Davis with Meryl Streep in Doubt is a recent example.

>*Screen presence.
>*Years.
>*Level of quality over those years.

Well, again, the third quality there is somewhat determined by the quality of roles and script selection.

>*Doesn't drown.

Guess Natalie Wood isn't a great actress. :-\

>*Can perform at a level that is higher than others.

Again, it's nearly impossible to compare this. DeNiro, Liotta, Grillo, Whigham, Toby Jones, DiCaprio... they're all so DIFFERENT. Liotta can do a Liotta role better than Whigham, but Whigham can do a Whigham role better than Liotta.

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43. "RE: I think everyone in movies should have most of these:"
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>
>>*Can play degrees of emotions.
>
>Everyone should have these, albeit they express those emotions
>in their own way.

Emphasis on SHOULD. Emotional nuance is NOT something often seen in performances. Most examples of emotional nuance in film come from great actors. Gabriel Byrne delivers amazing emotional nuance - DEAD MAN and MILLER'S CROSSING are great examples.

>>*Rage and range.
>
>I don't know that rage is necessarily important. I haven't
>seen a number of my favorite actresses express rage, in
>particular.

Maybe "rage" isn't the right word. It's something of an intangible, when an actor can - how to put it? - curse the heavens and elicit a response.
There's a few female actors from the heyday that could do it, Betty Davis first springs to mind. As for actors of today, Julianne Moore can do this, Jude Law too. Gary Oldman all but made a career out of it. Ben Kingsley is probably the best at it (among living, working actors).
It's a skill I don't find as necessary to be great in film actors as I do in stage actors. But it's a skill that immediately puts you on that level.

>Range is important to some degree, but if someone
>becomes a big star, they don't get to showcase their range
>anymore, so the roles for famous people dictate the ability to
>display range to some degree.

Three things, in ascending order:
One; you know as well as I do being a big star doesn't mean you're a great actor.
Two: I've seen more of George Clooney's range since he became a star. Same with Bruce Willis, Tom Hanks, Nicole Kidman, a bunch of others. Some movie stars do use their clout to not get boxed in.
Three: That said, when I said "range" I was referring to range within a scene; actors who don't get stuck on one note from beginning to end. The movie SLEUTH (the original) is a great example of this. Laurence Olivier and Michael Caine trade off so much, you'd think it's dueling solos between Charlie Parker and Lester Young. MYSTIC RIVER is an even better example. Even the scenes between Fishburne and Bacon showcase two actors doing different stuff emotionally (albeit small), and their scenes together are probably the most forgettable of the unforgettable film.

>>*Elevates scenes.
>
>Sure. But again, if a scene is stagnant, either the editors
>did a rough job or this movie isn't of professional quality
>across the board.

Perhaps it's an editor's success - the first time. But if every time you see Dustin Hoffman he does something interesting; or Denzel Washington doing something brand new in take 12 - and they didn't even use take 12; or Paul Newman does nothing yet you still can't pull away from him, that's not the editor. That's a great actor.

>>*Lose their self in the performance.
>
>Sure. But you don't see most actors breaking character, so
>this one should be standard for all actors.

Playing the part and losing yourself in the part are two very different things. You look at Jamie Foxx in RAY long enough, deep enough, you'll see Jamie Foxx. You look at Denzel Washington in MALCOLM X long enough, deep enough, you'll only see Malcolm X. And that's why one of them is a great actor.

>>*Doesn't get blown away by Robert De Niro.
>
>Methinks you included this primarily for Liotta.

The Wordman's got jokes.

>I think anyone who can hang with any actor who is consider an
>"all-time great" deserves praise.

A fellow actor and I have a long ongoing discussion about this. We equate the above described phenomena to a sixth-ranked boxer who can't beat boxers ranked 2 through 5, but is somehow able to beat the champ every time. You don't know how, you don't why - the actor doesn't even know why - but they just have that one guy's number.

>Viola Davis with Meryl
>Streep in Doubt is a recent example.

I put my word on this: Viola Davis could act circles around Meryl Streep.
I love Meryl Streep. As an actor, you're legally required to. But Viola can BREATHE in waters Meryl can't swim in.
It's just my opinion, with little to support it. But I will say this, Meryl gets nominated for Oscars based on her name. Viola gets nominated based on a monologue.

>>*Screen presence.
>>*Years.
>>*Level of quality over those years.
>
>Well, again, the third quality there is somewhat determined by
>the quality of roles and script selection.

Not "quality of films," but level of quality, as in, "the level of quality of their work over years;" or, "how good are they and how well have they maintained or increased their performance level over the years?" It's why De Niro is a great actor without having done any great acting since - God, how long has it been? Or why Jack Lemmon was a great actor throughout his career.

>>*Doesn't drown.
>
>Guess Natalie Wood isn't a great actress. :-\

Damn, didn't even think of that. "Doesn't drown in the performance." You've seen actors drown mid-performance. It's painful, it's sad, but it happens. We jokingly refer to it as "that '90s John Cusack style of acting." For some reason, the actor just starts tuning out. I've got a whole theory behind actors who drown in performance.
...I should also probably state for the record that I really like Natalie Wood.

>>*Can perform at a level that is higher than others.
>
>Again, it's nearly impossible to compare this. DeNiro, Liotta,
>Grillo, Whigham, Toby Jones, DiCaprio... they're all so
>DIFFERENT. Liotta can do a Liotta role better than Whigham,
>but Whigham can do a Whigham role better than Liotta.

It's not the easiest thing to gauge, and more arbitrary than the rest of the "off the top of my head" criteria, but it does work.
Example:
Meryl Streep vs. Glenn Close.
They're not terribly different (I'm not convinced on actors being all that different. Obvoiusly each one is a beautiful and unique snowflake, particularly the great ones, but at the end of the day it's a game of degrees, they're all the same thing - a snowflake).
They both play similar roles, can do similar things as actors. But Ms. Close's scripts have Ms. Streep's fingerprints. Know why? Because if you want the one who delivers more/better/"whatever positive-increasing adverb you want to use," you go with Meryl Streep.
That's why Glenn Close wishes she was in THE DEVIL WEARS PRADA but is in 101 DALMATIONS.
Comparing great is a game of spoils, to be sure. Michael Jordan beating Magic Johnson is still Magic Johnson playing. But the construct still works as well as it does when Michael Jordan beats Samuel Dalembert - or in this case, Meryl Streep vs. Sandra Bullock.


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50. "This conversation is fascinating."
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I'm not convinced you could fully sway me to your side or me to yours, but I see where you're coming from and I love the fact that we have a forum where we can debate these things. I'm drunk right now, but next time I come to the forum sober, I may decide to try to continue.

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51. "Interesting epilogue"
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The day I wrote the previous post, talking shit on ex-Sixer Samuel Dalembert, he scores the game winning point for the Rockets.
Why the hell couldn't he do that when he played here?


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40. "RE: But here's my question then:"
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>I mean, how does one differentiate between the Leos and the
>Liottas and the Whighams of the world without considering
>their role choices? Can you?

I didn't say roles don't factor in my evaluation. I said they're less of a factor in that I don't put as much importance on it as much as 99.9% of the world does. Though I'm not systematic with it at all, sometimes the role is a huge factor like for Isabelle Huppert in The Piano Teacher.

  

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42. "Fair enough."
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I just find that so many actors are so great at what they specifically do that roles and body of work have to eventually be weighed in order to differentiate.

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45. "I got to side with Wordup, Franky Baby"
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A Great Actor doesn't have to appear in Great Movies. Hollywood is so F'd up that there are tons of very good actor who never get to appear in work that merits their talent.



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19. "Great? No. Underrated? Most definitely."
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21. "I didn't even like him in Goodfellas"
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44. "ladies and gentleman, we have a winner."
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52. "RE: No, No, No"
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If it weren't for Goodfellas you would not even be putting Liotta and great in the same sentence.
You should have made this post a poll.

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53. "You'll read a lot of think pieces, but Wordman"
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Nailed the brilliance of Ray Liotta years ago here.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

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54. "Wordman deserves to make the RIP post for Ray Liotta"
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56. "lol and I clearly hadn't yet seen Something Wild"
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I also just under-appreciated the value of a kickass character actor and was focused on... God knows what, lol. Some weird hang-up about the use of the word "great" when describing an actor.

Maybe I was just fucking bored and felt like debating. That happened a lot to me on OKP in those days.

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59. "I almost mentioned you by name to see if you had changed your vote. "
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I spend more time reading old posts as opposed to new ones just to see how much I've changed over time.

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61. "I mean, I don't *disagree* with what I said up there, technically..."
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... like, he *does* have very few great movies under his belt, he *does* have fewer all-timer performances than plenty of actors of his generation, I *do* think broadly that the greatness of an actor is defined by resume rather than skill, etc...

... but I think more than anything else that I'm just being a nitpicky asshole about semantics above, lol. Like, you don't need to be one of the greatest actors of all time to be a great actor. And you can obviously be a great actor with a bevy of shitty roles/performances. (I even say as much above in regard to technical skill, even if I couldn't shut up and leave it at that, lol)

For some reason, Decade Ago Me read Wordman's post and felt compelled to respond with "the word 'great' implies blah blah blah." And Present Day Me thinks that's a boring answer and a stupid way to evaluate the greatness of art.

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57. "I had to check the dates on the earlier posts"
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The structural racism embedded within Hollywood, as all American institutions, makes it more analogous to baseball. White privilege and preference has run rampant. We know that at any given time, only a handful of Black actors even get good ROLES, much less good movies.

I remember criticizing Soul Plane when it came out not because Black people shouldn't make ratchet shit, but because I didn't feel we had the luxury. Aston Kutcher gets to do Dude Where's my Car then gets the Butterfly Effect, Jobs, etc.

DeNiro and Pacino are overrated because of the mythological relationship between organized crime and American Lore. Those particular movies they were in get more weight and gravity, as do their attachment to it. They have shown range and brought much to the table, but what was VALUED allowed for those affiliated to eat and eat well.

Goodfellas is actually the last film I saw of his (few years ago) but Liotta always added weight to his films. He was serious about his craft even if he wasn't playing a serious role.

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58. "Goodfellas isn’t even the top mob movie of all time, "
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let alone the top movie off all time or close to it.

I don’t even think it scratches top 50 on the top movie lists
that are out.

Top movie lists usually consist of:

The Godfather
Citizen Kane
Casablanca
Space Odyssey
Gone with the Wind
Wizard of Oz
Chinatown
The Godfather 2
Psycho
Singing in the rain
One flew over the cuckoo’s nest.






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60. "lol"
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64. "Joker really did come in here to mention Gone with the Wind as a better"
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movie than Goodfellas. SMH.


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62. "I wouldn't put him above John Cusack, and Steve Martin's Hill>>>>>>>"
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Ray has a single defining role.

I use Cusack as an example because even a guy who essentially plays only slight variations of himself still brings something you have to have to be considered great: gravity.

For me, Ray's presence alone has never sparked my interest, sight unseen. And any time I think of a truly great actor, that's an element that's there.

Granted, that ignores more objective nuances, but I think it's an intangible that cannot be made up in other areas. To be fair, picking the right projects plays a role in this, but that's a lot like an MC's ability to pick beats. It's an attribute in it's own right, and it can mean the difference between Very Good and GOAT status.

I think Ray engendered lifelong goodwill due to his defining role being the anchor to such a seminal film, but that only takes you so far.

If I'm keeping it a buck, I prefer Steve Martin's version of Henry Hill to Ray's, and that was Steve playing him as a cartoon character.

The most iconic thing about Ray's Hill wasn't even his on screen portrayal. It was the narration that stood out IMO. It's an iconic role, to be sure, but it owes more to the backdrop of the story itself, to it being one of Scorcese's pillars, to Joe Pesci's menace, to De Niro's Jimmy, and hell, Lorraine Bracco's Karen.

Ray's on-screen portrayal of Hill might be the 6th best thing about that movie, behind even his own narration as Hill.

I could be wildly off base here. But while I do love that film, and have a soft spot for Ray because of it, I can't think of a single film where Ray's presence was my reason to even look into it, let alone see it.

  

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63. "Great tribute from Scorsese (Swipe)"
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https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/jun/06/martin-scorsese-ray-liotta-goodfellas-gangster-dangerous-disarming-innocent?fbclid=IwAR1Su1yzHIdlStw1_UF7Jrnoo8ZqfSebo_0kpc2CBlA9BdHH8Y_z7UITrCc


We had some problems trying to get Goodfellas made. It came at a low moment in my career and the studios were not exactly eager to work with me. And it was a big production, with locations all over New York and many speaking parts. We also needed to find just the right actor to play the lead, Henry Hill. The part required a rare combination of qualities. He needed to be dangerous. He needed to be disarming. He needed to be vulnerable. Within the context of the world we were dealing with, he had to be something close to an innocent, the guy who was always there, witnessing everything, along for the ride. And, it goes without saying, he needed to look and act like he might have come out of that world.

Eventually, it came down to a handful of names. One of them was Ray Liotta.

Like everyone else in and out of the movie business, I was stunned by his performance in my friend Jonathan Demme’s Something Wild. Halfway through the picture, he walked in and more or less took it over. You couldn’t take your eyes off of him. But Ray’s role in Something Wild was finite, and I wondered if he could carry a whole picture.

I found him distraught in his trailer. His mother was dying. He kept saying: 'Why does she have this terrible cancer?'
Two very interesting things happened. My producer, Irwin Winkler, did not see Ray in the role. He didn’t think he had enough charm to counterbalance all the violence and the excess. One night, while Irwin was having dinner in a Santa Monica restaurant with his wife Margo and his friend Richard Zanuck, Ray politely approached him and asked for a couple of minutes of his time. They walked into a quiet corner, they talked, and right then and there Ray persuaded Irwin.

When The Last Temptation of Christ had its world premiere at the Venice film festival, I was crossing the lobby of the Excelsior hotel on my way to an interview. Ray and I saw each other from across the lobby, and he headed toward me to say hello and check in with me. He came near and then he hit a wall of security. Instead of throwing a fit and demanding that he be allowed through, he reacted quietly and calmly, observed the rules and patiently defused the situation. He looked at me, I looked at him, and we signalled that we would talk, and he walked away. I watched it all very closely, and I saw him handle the situation with quiet authority and a real elegance. Actually, that was just what the role needed. When I look back on it, I believe that was the moment when I knew I wanted Ray to play Henry Hill.

The word “fearless” is used quite often to describe actors, and with good reason: actors need to be fearless. They have to jump in and just go, and they have to stumble and fail and risk appearing ridiculous as they’re finding their way into a role. That’s just part of the work. On Goodfellas, we were working improvisationally in most scenes, and many members of the team had known each other and worked together for years, including my mother and my father. Into that walked the new guy, Ray Liotta, and he never missed a beat. It felt like we’d worked together for years.

I will never forget the day we shot the scene where Henry, Tommy (Joe Pesci) and Jimmy (Robert De Niro) bring their tribute money from the Air France heist to Paulie, played by Paul Sorvino. When they were setting up, I got word that Ray had just gotten a call with bad news. I went right to his trailer and found him completely distraught. His mother was dying. I remember that he kept saying: “She adopted me and raised me, she’s the sweetest woman there is – why does she have this terrible cancer? Why?”

I told him that he had to go to be with her, but he was adamant: he wanted to do the scene before he left. We walked to the set together, everyone was told what was happening, and something extraordinary happened when we rolled. The scene was all about the euphoria of the characters after making their first big score, and everyone came together in an emotional bond around Ray: as everyone was laughing and celebrating, they were mourning with him at the same time. Laughter and tears, tears and laughter … they were one and the same. Ray did the scene so beautifully, and then he left to be with his beloved mother. It was a rare experience.

We had many plans to work together again but the timing was always off, or the project wasn’t quite right. I regret that now. When I watched Ray as the divorce lawyer in Marriage Story – he’s genuinely scary in the role, which is precisely why he’s so funny – I remember feeling that I wanted to work with him again at this point in his life, to explore the gravity in his presence, so different from the young, sprightly actor he was when I met him.

I wish I’d had the chance to see him just once more, too – to tell him just how much the work we did together meant to me. But maybe he knew that. I hope so.

  

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65. "He took a lotta shit roles later on for the $$$."
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Theres no shame in that i guess as just about everyone does it in Hollywood at some point in their careers. That being said, RL was ALWAYS solid with his acting even in some of these shit movies.

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