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"Blue Valentine (Cianfrance, 2010)"
Sun Dec-26-10 04:29 PM by ZooTown74

          

(TRAILER)

Good news:

Here are reportedly two locks for acting nominations.

Bad news:

The MPAA rated the film NC-17, so who knows who will get to see it and if it will be hacked up to satisfy censors when that happens.

TRAILER
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809945752/video/22346938

EDIT: NC-17 SWIPE
http://tinyurl.com/3x742u3

In a surprising development, the MPAA ratings board has slapped an NC-17 rating on Blue Valentine, the Derek Cianfrance-directed drama that is creating Oscar buzz for the performances of Ryan Gosling and Michelle Willams. The film, about the slow corrosion of the relationship between a young couple, was acquired by The Weinstein Company after its premiere at the last Sundance Film Festival. The film also played at Cannes and Toronto.

Now, I've watched Harvey Weinstein use the ratings controversy for maximum promotional mileage on past movies that otherwise might have gotten ignored, but I saw Blue Valentine when it premiered in Park City. It is a powerful, worthy film, and the NC-17 is an absolute head-scratcher. I'm told the rating was given for a scene in which the characters played by Gosling and Williams try to save their crumbling marriage by spending a night away in a hotel. They get drunk and their problems intensify when he wants to have sex and she doesn't, but will to get him off her back. That hurts his pride and the result is an upsetting scene that makes you squirm, but is an honest one that establishes clearly that this couple has nothing left and isn't going to make it because love has turned into contempt. There is barely any nudity in the scene, as I recall (though I haven't seen it since last January) and there is no violence. It was hardly a moment that would make you think, well here comes an NC-17.

It wasn't immediately clear what TWC and the filmmakers will do. Certainly the notoriety will help get the film attention, but it seems clear that if they fail in the appeals process, they will have to cut the film to get an R rating, if the picture is to have a shot at broadening beyond a very small release. There are likely complications in running an NC-17 film through TWC's ancillary deals. This is the third Oscar season film on which TWC has butted heads with the MPAA. Weintstein lost a challenge appealing the R rating given The Tillman Story, and he has virtually no chance to overturn the R rating given The King's Speech. The latter film, which many feel will be a strong contender for Best Picture and other awards, lost its chance at the PG-13 because of a scene in which speech therapist Lionel Logue (Geoffrey Rush) helps King George VI (Colin Firth) overcome his stammer by peppering his speech with curse words. He says "fuck" about 42 times in a short amusing sequence. Everybody knows there is a three "fucks" before the R is given, and Firth blows past that in a single line. Director Tom Hooper told Deadline recently that he won't change a frame, but is perplexed that a scene that falls within the context of the film gets an R while a PG-13 is given to Salt despite Angelina Jolie getting waterboarded, and Casino Royale even though Daniel Craig has his testicles pummeled in a rather graphic scene. Hooper felt that the MPAA doesn't consider context when it comes to curse words.

The Blue Valentine preliminary rating is bound to raise similar questions. It doesn't get the R granted a movie like The Human Centipede (First Sequence), a graphic depiction of a mad surgeon's campaign to kidnap victims and surgically link their digestive tracts to create a human centipede?

  

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Looks great
Oct 09th 2010
1
where are you living?
Oct 09th 2010
3
      We didn't get The Fall, Enter The Void, Bronson
Oct 11th 2010
5
RE: Ryan Gosling & Michelle Williams in Blue Valentine (TRAILER)
Oct 09th 2010
2
i just went on a date that looks like michelle williams.
Oct 11th 2010
4
Can't wait + unfair
Oct 12th 2010
6
I liked it quite a bit
Dec 26th 2010
7
As someone who has become obsessed with this movie . . .
Dec 26th 2010
8
      My response to my response.
Jan 15th 2011
13
           So very well put
Jan 16th 2011
14
                Won't happen, but she undoubtedly deserves it more.
Jan 16th 2011
15
                     RE: Won't happen, but she undoubtedly deserves it more.
Jan 24th 2011
16
This probably should have been on the soundtrack (link)
Dec 26th 2010
9
His Young Hercules / Breaker High stuff is even worse.
Dec 26th 2010
10
can't believe this same guy gave this performance
Jan 09th 2011
12
RE: Blue Valentine (Cianfrance, 2010)
Dec 27th 2010
11
An unflinching, unpleasant, and bittersweet mini-masterpiece
Feb 14th 2011
17
Super late pass on this....
Nov 09th 2012
18
Agree with most of that. Gosling was masterful here.
Nov 09th 2012
19
This Grizzly Bear song has still stuck w/ me after seeing it years ago
Nov 09th 2012
20
really liked this when it came out. love it now.
Mar 18th 2019
21
I think I dislike it for the reason you love it
Mar 18th 2019
22

zuma1986
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1. "Looks great"
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Hope it gets a proper release in Canada but I'm sure it'll be one of the many films we get screwed on

  

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3. "where are you living?"
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we pretty much get everything in toronto. no doubt we'll get this too.

>Hope it gets a proper release in Canada but I'm sure it'll be
>one of the many films we get screwed on

  

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5. "We didn't get The Fall, Enter The Void, Bronson"
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Almost certain we didn't get Four Lions, Freakonomics & Red Riding Trilogy.

We get a lot of stuff but there's still good stuff we don't get. Cinemaclock said that Enter The Void was being released in Toronto on 2 different occasions but nothing so far.

  

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2. "RE: Ryan Gosling & Michelle Williams in Blue Valentine (TRAILER)"
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this looks awesome...two great young actors. i cant believe how skinny michelle's gotten though...not that it matters just an observation.

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4. "i just went on a date that looks like michelle williams."
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aw man.
this post reminds me to call her.

  

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6. "Can't wait + unfair"
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The NC-17 will really hurt them business-wise and I hope they are not forced to compromise the integrity of the film to get it changed.

  

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7. "I liked it quite a bit"
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Some may quibble with the "gritty independent" look and feel of it, but I thought it was fine. Both Gosling and Williams were award-worthy good, and if the roles feel lived in it's because they both reportedly spent a few years developing the characters before shooting (and both are Executive Producers of the film).

Gosling has go to be one of the more underrated actors of our current time; he does yeoman's work with every role he inhabits. I still have yet to peep Wendy and Lucy, but I hear that it really put Michelle Williams on the map as a Serious Actress, and her work here doesn't do anything to hurt her current standing or talent.

The movie itself is a pretty standard tale of a love gone sour. Cindy has had enough of Dean's shit, and wants out even though Dean's been a "good" husband to Cindy, and a doting father to a daughter who isn't his own (or is she? I thought I paid attention but it's strongly implied that Dean is not the father of the child). Anyway, this present-day disintegration is interspersed with flashbacks to the happier times of the couple's courtship and eventual marriage.

It was kinda nice to see that there wasn't one specific incident that led Cindy to her breaking point. There are a number of subtle things that Ryan Gosling's Dean does that one could see adding up. The basic gist that I pulled away from the piece is that Cindy simply got tired of his childish lack of ambition, and his inability to listen to her. And again, there is no specific event that leads her to this conclusion, it's just a series of things and words and actions. The things that were charming and cute when they first met had become, in the course of a flailing marriage, annoying and counterproductive. So in that sense it felt very real. And while watching the film the temptation may be (at least for the dudes in the audience) to side with Dean, as he's such a good dude who's doing what he thinks is the best that he can for his family. But it's the subtle details that a woman such as Cindy would notice and cause her to feel the way she feels. Both actors give, with a couple of notable scenes, quiet and nuanced performances here.

As far as the NC-17 goes, it would have totally been unwarranted. It was initially given the rating because

(SPOILERS)

of a scene where Ryan Gosling eats Michelle Williams out for like, a minute (but she's got a dress on and you don't see any body parts). That scene remains intact. There's also a scene where they have rough, unromantic sex on a hotel room floor, and you see her breasts undulating as he desperately pumps away. There's also another scene where she's getting banged from behind by her initial boyfriend in a flashback, but again, she's covered and nearly fully-clothed while we see his bare ass. This isn't some porno-level shit here; it's a somewhat realistic deconstruction of a marriage done in piecemeal.

One could quibble with the presence of the first boyfriend, asking if he's even needed. One could quibble with the use of flashbacks, thinking that it's just an unnecessary gimmick (like in Michael Clayton!), but I kinda picked up on the placement of said flashbacks, of what scenes proceeded and followed them, and thought that they were appropriate for that reason. One could also quibble with a couple of LOUD setpieces for Gosling and Williams, including one near the end of the film that I personally didn't have an issue with but some thought was a bit over-the-top.

Overall, it was a fascinating character study.

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8. "As someone who has become obsessed with this movie . . ."
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One of the points that the filmmakers are expressing that I've been most impressed / encouraged by is this idea of asking questions more than giving resolute answers (Gosling has gone so far as to frame it almost as a "whodunit" with the mystery left up to the audience). Moreover, they've made a point about Williams' character defying all this standard relationship philosophy that says you should be thrilled and satisfied to find a man who loves you and your child, like what could be wrong if that exists. And what of a man who wants nothing more than to love his wife and child?

Again, I unfortunately have not seen this movie, but it seems like the filmmakers' intentions were rendered well on-screen according to your judgment.

>It was kinda nice to see that there wasn't one specific
>incident that led Cindy to her breaking point. There are a
>number of subtle things that Ryan Gosling's Dean does that one
>could see adding up. The basic gist that I pulled away from
>the piece is that Cindy simply got tired of his childish lack
>of ambition, and his inability to listen to her. And again,
>there is no specific event that leads her to this conclusion,
>it's just a series of things and words and actions.

  

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13. "My response to my response."
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>One of the points that the filmmakers are expressing that
>I've been most impressed / encouraged by is this idea of
>asking questions more than giving resolute answers (Gosling
>has gone so far as to frame it almost as a "whodunit" with the
>mystery left up to the audience). Moreover, they've made a
>point about Williams' character defying all this standard
>relationship philosophy that says you should be thrilled and
>satisfied to find a man who loves you and your child, like
>what could be wrong if that exists. And what of a man who
>wants nothing more than to love his wife and child?

EDIT: SPOILERS ahead . . .




Having now seen it, I think the movie is not really a whodunit. It's slow land erosion. There isn't one incident that the whole movie turns on. It doesn't lay things out that simply. Why things get to the point they do . . . like Cindy says, "I've had it up to here." The dissolution we see is just the crushing culmination of a bunch of stuff explicitly detailed on screen and then not. I think that latter point is one of the movie's narrative strengths: the feeling that these characters exist beyond what we can specifically measure on film; that's the documentary effect, not just that we're voyeurs to their joys and pains, but that there's a sense of real lives being lived, inside and beyond what's captured via camera.

Dean drank, was childish, and offered nothing in the way of professional ambition. Cindy wanted more for herself through her work and wanted more for her daughter's future than the bitterness and anger which had swelled up at home (and which she seemed to realize more than Dean ever did). Dean would complain Cindy never had time for him, and when Cindy was with him she felt trapped by a life she (and he as well) never planned for. The movie doesn't wish to play heroes and villains with its characters and doesn't pretend to offer any resolutions that would come as a result of that narrative convenience. It asks questions of the audience more than giving them easy answers.

In terms of how the story is told, it's the difference between a light operated by a switch and the sun rising and setting. The light is switched on and off in an instant, and we can point to someone who's making it that way. The sun's just on its natural course, slowly changing its position over the length of the day, all of us dealing with that change in our own way.

I loved this movie. I've followed its development over the years, from when it was to be set in a CA beach town to its premiere at Sundance almost exactly a year ago. Obviously, it's not going to be everyone's cup of film-making, but I thought it was rather special. Any knocks against it I have are of the nitpicking variety, e.g., the one scene where Rawls gets angry early on and then later when Dean is talking about his dad came off a bit too-on-the-nose (read: scripted), especially for a film that feels extraordinarily organic throughout. Also, there's maybe a minute total of dialogue that seemed too-Cassavetes-ish, where characters speak in a banal or repetitive fashion in an effort to feel more "natural". And that's really it. Not only are the performances noteworthy, as has been the movie's most commonly acclaimed feature, but it's really a demonstration of smart film-making overall.

In particular, the way the movie is edited and the story laid out was brilliant. Movies that cross-cut or jump time tend to do so with narration or other narrative gimmicks that detract from what's going on, typically in an effort to make things easier for the audience. As a result, those movies feel less like a complete work than a bunch of scenes hashed together. And while I have no idea if the structure of the original script follows the path the finished film did, the cutting across time technique enhances the movie tremendously. For instance, there is a palpable sense of inevitably that builds as the story goes on due to this editing technique; in doing this, it supplies a rich and surprising context to the past and particularly the present scenes. Take the scene in the past where Cindy and Dean first play their song, Penny & the Quarters' You and Me. We've just seen this horrible fight take place between them in the present, and although the embrace set to music in a vacuum is romantic and sweet, it takes on a dimension of sadness and even anguish when paired with the fight.

That Penny & the Quarters bit was one of the first clips to be released promotionally, and finally seeing it in the greater context of the film as a whole, it becomes something quite different than what it was initially. Interestingly enough, when Cindy and Dean are dancing to the same song in the Future Room scene, while we have not yet learned on screen of its significance, it does feel special, as that one sequence represents the one moment of romance or togetherness at the hotel and the last one in the time-line of their relationship before the dam finally ruptures.

The cross-cutting during the wedding sequence also brings with it incredible melancholy and heartbreak, as though watching cherished home videos as a tornado is ripping apart around you everything you love. You feel so wrapped up and enthused by how they fall in love on one hand and are as equally crushed by how it breaks apart.

But anyway, the point is the editing really highlights the duet that the movie is all about, all those contrasts that are there: past / present, falling in love / falling out of love, ambition / indifference, expectations / surprises, desire / repulsion, youthfulness / aging, etc. A song in one scene takes on a different tone in another. A fight in one scene puts one of our characters in a place opposite where he is in another scene involving a physical altercation. Phone calls, oral sex, money, etc. all are shown to have contrasting qualities or differing responses with the passing of time.

I also think the cinematography needs to be praised more. There's nothing really showy going on, but the aesthetic differences between past and present subtly underscore the shifting tones in the film, while the camera-work also gently and capably enhances but does not overpower the performances on screen. I don't know if any blocking or such plans were in place in scenes like the one on the bridge or the final 4th of July sequence, but that the film was able to capture the give-and-take between characters without a bunch of edits was another substantial achievement.

Lastly, about the performances . . . Ryan Gosling has been good-to-great in material ranging from bad-to-average-to-great. He's strong once more here. From his class-indicative articulation to his drunkenness, he plays as precisely as is needed, as close to the edge as possible, so as to not come off as scenery-chewing. His breakdown in the family kitchen, his anger stoked by a sense of desertion in the doctor's office, and his tenderness in the abortion clinic are all superbly expressed. I also think Gosling is the best actor working today as far as creating a unique physical personality / environment for his characters.

Now Michelle Williams I've liked before, but I've never really been too impressed with the movies she's been in. However, she's absolutely outstanding here. By far, it's my favorite performance of the year and probably surpasses even Samantha Morton in Morvern Callar as my favorite female performance in the past decade. The range she exhibits is astonishing. From her goofiness and attraction on the night date, to her skepticism in her early encounters with Ryan's character, to her brokenness in the abortion clinic, to her anger in the hotel room, and so on. She looks and feels every bit a wife and mother exasperated and frustrated by her husband, pushed to the point of almost surrender and subversion, in dire need of something better for herself and her daughter. She's without inhibition or vanity, giving as true and as captivating a performance as I can recall. The motel floor "sex" scene is what the words gripping and raw were made to describe.

And the greatest compliment to pay either actor, and Derek Cianfrance too, is that as good as Gosling and Williams may be when you look at their individual work, it's in the sense of chemistry and reality they create between their characters, in good times and bad, that is the movie's most lasting quality.

  

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14. "So very well put"
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Just came back from seeing this, and it was so good it was painful. Especially agree on the camera cuts, that could have fucked up everything but it all flowed so well together.

And Michelle Williams destroys Natalie Portman in Black Swan here. Just give her the damn statue.

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15. "Won't happen, but she undoubtedly deserves it more."
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>And Michelle Williams destroys Natalie Portman in Black Swan
>here. Just give her the damn statue.

The abortion scene in particular was absolutely devastating.

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16. "RE: Won't happen, but she undoubtedly deserves it more."
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>>And Michelle Williams destroys Natalie Portman in Black Swan
>>here. Just give her the damn statue.
>
>The abortion scene in particular was absolutely devastating.

two people fainted in my theater because of that scene.

one of them was me.

  

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9. "This probably should have been on the soundtrack (link)"
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The dude on the left, about 35 seconds in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEgGWHtVIhQ

EDIT: Oh shit, then at about 1:32

Wow

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10. "His Young Hercules / Breaker High stuff is even worse. "
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There's a certain dignity to the MMC footage, especially given who his surrounding cast was.

But this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnveC9XwzNE

Who woulda thought that dude would become an Oscar-nominee?

Basically, The Believer wiped his slate clean and he's been steadily picking stronger projects as his career goes on (should have a monster 2011).

  

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12. "can't believe this same guy gave this performance "
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in blue valentine

  

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11. "RE: Blue Valentine (Cianfrance, 2010)"
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Ain't this about some sad white people that have sex, cry then break up or some shit? Yo, Michelle Williams cute as hell though. I love white girls nigga.

  

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17. "An unflinching, unpleasant, and bittersweet mini-masterpiece"
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It's right there with Scenes of a Marriage and A Woman Under the Influence. I really don't know what to say. The film made me queasy and happy but absolutely not in equal measure. What made me feel sick: the fear of not knowing when to call it quits (Dean's line about Cindy's promise in the wedding vow shook me up), wondering would I be able to know when faith and hope are destructive or blinding, etc. This film tapped into shit that worries me about relationships. Things change, things end...scary shit. Don't know when I can muster up energy to watch it again.

The scene about potential in The Future Room is probably my favorite scene in 2010 movies.

I urge people to check out another fearless Michelle Williams performance in Incendiary (not a good movie though) and her comic talent in The Baxter.

  

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18. "Super late pass on this...."
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Incredible film.

This acting was visceral. It all felt very real and that made the affect of the film very heavy. It was a really heartbreaking situation to watch because we know the thin line that is love, lust, and loss. The expectations of what we desire and what we WANT often cast a shadow over accepting our reality and allowing happiness to exist where we only find disappointment.

This is why, while I see Dean's faults....I can totally relate to him. He was never right for Cindy, who honestly probably may be too damaged to have a healthy relationship with someone outside of the expectations of what she wants her ideal life to be. But this dude is a true to the core hopeless romantic. He is also a very decent person.

I thought it was a little ridiculous to have Cindy sleep with so many dudes in such a short period of time. It was a little excessive. But it was about making a point about her trying to fill a void. Dean had so much love to give. She jsut viewed him as a child.

This dude took and ass beating, and married her and raised her child with her when he could have walked cause he decided to love her. He gave himself to that, but he was going to be who he was. He just wanted to enjoy a simple life.

Cindy wanted her ambition to carry her away. Away.

The scene about "potential" and expectations was the most important scene in the movie. I was in Dean's corner right there.

  

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19. "Agree with most of that. Gosling was masterful here."
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Better than all three of his acclaimed roles from last year...

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20. "This Grizzly Bear song has still stuck w/ me after seeing it years ago"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwTtC8dRwQ0

  

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21. "really liked this when it came out. love it now."
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difference being, I'm married now. and seeing a marriage collapse is much more haunting, especially since there is no *one* thing to point to -- neither spouse is perfect nor the culprit. I love all the little touches to show their flaws, like Dean making sure Cindy has her seatbelt on while smoking a cigarette in front of their daughter.

Williams was spectacular but Gosling was just as good. the role of Dean as a naive charmer with a big heart was absolutely perfect for him.

the GOAT (RIP) summed it up best at the end of his review: "I've read reviews saying Cianfrance isn't clear about what went wrong as they got from there to here. Is anybody?"

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22. "I think I dislike it for the reason you love it"
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The whole thing made me feel bad and just think "This is not what I want to feel from a movie."

Not that I needed them to stay together in the end...but I mean, what you saw is what you got. No twist, no surprise, no redemption, no hope, no real resolution. It starts in a sweet way and then gets worse and worse and worse and then falls apart and THE END.

I'll give them all credit, it felt real. So in that way, they knocked it out of the park. But that was the problem for me: it felt *TOO* real.

  

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