This interview is fucking comedy. I don't see how anyone can feel sorry for this dude. He was ALL WIT IT when Leno was forced out. He was absolutely complicit in NBC's dirtbaggery. Then, when the shit got flipped, his feelings are all hurt and he tryna make it about ethics.

Whatever. He on TBS.

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but ya know I mean he is mad funny, but I really can't get sympathetic for someone that was paid 32 million dollars to stop working. His woe is me shit here sorta unnerves me

>but ya know I mean he is mad funny, but I really can't get
>sympathetic for someone that was paid 32 million dollars to
>stop working. His woe is me shit here sorta unnerves me

i feel you but to be clear he hasnt been playing the woe is me card much he has always been putting a positive spin on it and happy with his new gig. he feels like he should have gotten more time and jay was shady taking his old job back. but the times conan has spoken on it like his show or 60 minutes he hasnt been like woe is me thats just what outsiders say about the situation.

Maybe Leno was forced out, but with a message like that, how exactly was Conan supposed to know that? He DID admit to lying when he said that. There's no indication that he was feeling forced out until late in his Tonight Show tenure, and by then it was too late. He signed on to the idea 5 years earlier, man.

it backfired. i ain't even being an asshole here. he played his hand and he failed. you can't go crying about what jay did after you helped get rid of him.

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he had earned it. it didn't work out, but he had earned it. NBC f*cked up everything, but don't act like Conan was supposed to know how Jay felt when he made a public statement like that. Jay could have said no, but he just goes along and tows the company line. Nothing necessarily wrong with that, but don't cop pleas for it either. He lied.

I mean, like it or not, ratings-wise, Leno's the champ. Just like in boxing, if you want the title you gotta BEAT the champ. Conan tried to sneak in on a technicality.

In all honestly, I think the way Conan went about it was bitch-made. Why try to politic to get Jay's job, when his ratings were STILL so high?

Fox was chomping at the bit, he shoulda just took the money and ran.

Conversely, Jay's move was bitch-made too. HE shoulda just bounced on NBC and made them eat crow.

IMO NEITHER one of them handled theirselves w/any self-respect.

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like i said, it didn't work out, but he had EARNED a shot at the 11 or 11:30 start whether it was on NBC or not. NBC did not give him a good lead-in, so he didn't have a chance.

>I mean, like it or not, ratings-wise, Leno's the champ. Just
>like in boxing, if you want the title you gotta BEAT the
>champ. Conan tried to sneak in on a technicality.

That is ALL NBC's f*ck-up. He had earned that timeslot whether it was with NBC or not. NBC decided it would be with them, Leno moved out of the way and PUBLICLY said he was fine with it, THEN wanted to complain after the fact. Most of this is NBC's fault, but that is on him.

>
>In all honestly, I think the way Conan went about it was
>bitch-made. Why try to politic to get Jay's job, when his
>ratings were STILL so high?

I don't see anything he did as unreasonable. Really. Let's say you've earned the next highest position in your company but there's someone ahead of you who is pretty good at their job. Its perfectly reasonable to tell your boss you've earned the job and you'll go somewhere else if they don't want to give you the position. No bad blood, that's just the way it is.

>
>Fox was chomping at the bit, he shoulda just took the money
>and ran.
>

When you have a good working relationship with your employer, which he did, you'll try to do as much as possible to stay with them. But if they had denied him the Tonight Show it would have been reasonable for him to walk.

this isn't about right and wrong for you, because, if it were, you'd at least admit conan had a hand in his own demise.

conan didn't earn anything.

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how exactly was Conan to know that Jay felt forced out? you still haven't answered that question.

I mean, if you tell your employer 'it's either him or me.' and your employer gets rid of 'him' - well what the fuck did you THINK happened?

It shouldn't matter WHAT Jay felt or expressed. Conan knew what he did.

Just like Jay knew what he was doing. I ain't buying NEITHER of their crockodile tears.

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You think Jay had NO leverage with those ratings? lol. He agreed to their whole plan, and then complained about it later. Conan had put in the time, had the talent, and asked about a job he though he could do well. Perfectly reasonable.

>like i said, it didn't work out, but he had EARNED a shot at
>the 11 or 11:30 start whether it was on NBC or not. NBC did
>not give him a good lead-in, so he didn't have a chance.

He def earned A shot, but not at NBC. He shoulda went elsewhere. You're basing it off of dues paid. But the real-world ain't like that. If you wanna take a mfer's job, you BETTA be better at it than him. Conan couldn't bring the numbers in like Jay, and honestly, even if Jay had done the right then and bouced, I really don't think it woulda mattered that much.

>That is ALL NBC's f*ck-up. He had earned that timeslot whether
>it was with NBC or not. NBC decided it would be with them,
>Leno moved out of the way and PUBLICLY said he was fine with
>it, THEN wanted to complain after the fact. Most of this is
>NBC's fault, but that is on him.
>

I'm not gonna argue that point, like I said before Jay's move was indeed bitchmade. If he didn't wanna go, he shoulda fought. If he agreed to go he shoulda done so gracefully.

>I don't see anything he did as unreasonable. Really. Let's say
>you've earned the next highest position in your company but
>there's someone ahead of you who is pretty good at their job.
>Its perfectly reasonable to tell your boss you've earned the
>job and you'll go somewhere else if they don't want to give
>you the position. No bad blood, that's just the way it is.
>

Nah, if I wanna move up and I know there's a dude there already, I ain't even gonna bother asking for his job. What give me that right? I'll just take my experience and my good rep and cash that shit in elsewhere. Why fuck w/another man's check? That shit was bitchmade, no if and or buts about it. If he felt he was in a position where he couldn't grow, why not just leave? He didn't leave because he wanted JAY'S job. He wasn't looking for the timeslot he was looking for 'The Tonight Show' so much so he didn't give a fuck what happend to Jay.

You can paint Jay the bad guy all you want, and yes he did some fucked up shit, but Conan ain't no saint in this sitch. They both did some dirty shit, Jay just came out on top.
>>Fox was chomping at the bit, he shoulda just took the money
>>and ran.
>>
>
>

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>
>He def earned A shot, but not at NBC. He shoulda went
>elsewhere. You're basing it off of dues paid. But the
>real-world ain't like that. If you wanna take a mfer's job,
>you BETTA be better at it than him. Conan couldn't bring the
>numbers in like Jay, and honestly, even if Jay had done the
>right then and bouced, I really don't think it woulda mattered
>that much.

and Jay said he was ready to move on.

>Nah, if I wanna move up and I know there's a dude there
>already, I ain't even gonna bother asking for his job. What
>give me that right? I'll just take my experience and my good
>rep and cash that shit in elsewhere.

You like your company and you think you're gonna be good at the job, why not try it? Especially when there's only a handful of other competitors and some of them already have the same slot filled, and with less prestige attached to those jobs.

Why fuck w/another man's
>check?

Who said anything about that? This move (or any similar move in my analogy) would involve the guy currently in the job being asked if he wanted to do something else. Eventually they settle on a new project for the older guy, then later the older guy complains about being forced out when he was complicit the WHOLE time. I think we both agree Leno could have said no (which would have been fine) and NBC would have had to pick Leno.

That shit was bitchmade, no if and or buts about it. If
>he felt he was in a position where he couldn't grow, why not
>just leave? He didn't leave because he wanted JAY'S job. He
>wasn't looking for the timeslot he was looking for 'The
>Tonight Show' so much so he didn't give a fuck what happend to
>Jay.

This all involved Jay's approval. If Jay gave his approval and didn't mean it that's his fault.

>
>You can paint Jay the bad guy all you want, and yes he did
>some fucked up shit, but Conan ain't no saint in this sitch.
>They both did some dirty shit, Jay just came out on top.

We all agree NBC is the major bad guy. But I honestly don't see what Conan did "wrong" besides not get ratings, and that wasn't fully his fault anyways. He had a sh*tty lead-in every night of the week.

how is that a bad demand? its like telling your boss you want a promotion or you're gone. nbc could've just said "fine, be out then". dude wanted to step his game up and let them know about it.

look, clearly conan didn't respect jay and wanted his job and he let NBC execs do the dirty work.

jay wanted his job back and he let NBC execs do the dirty work.

both were bitch moves and now idiots are judging them differently based on LIKE..."like" has no place in this. conan was a bitch and so was jay. conan lost. and you know what? GOOD! 'cause he started it. he should took his ass elsewhere in the first place. letterman got his feelings hurt the same way and of course he blamed jay.

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He and NBC "forced out" Carson because of his whining, or in your words "Look, clearly Leno didn't respect Carson and had the NBC execs do the dirty work"

In the end, Carson wanted Letterman to replace him, but Leno says, "fuck a legend" and worked his "Aw shucks on tv, behind the scenes puppetry" routine. Remember, the infamous hiding in a closet story?

After 6 months, Leno's ratings aren't doing so hot so NBC talks about bringing in Letterman. What does good old boy Jay do? I'm going to go to another network!!! So they keep him. Sound familiar?

Fast forward to today, and we have a supreme bitch move - here's my show, just kidding!

Of all the players involved in this game,2 have a history of being shitty: Jay Leno and NBC.

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Another guest host, Jay Leno, was treated coolly for being perceived as ushering Carson into retirement. Leno's agent ignited the then false rumor in Hollywood circles that Carson's retirement was pending, and Leno was heir to the "Tonight Show". Carson vowed not to return to the show while Leno headed it, and indeed would make his final TV appearance about a year after his retirement on the competing Late Show with David Letterman.

Go Wings.

There is the now infamous story depicted in The Late Shift HBO TV Movie based on Bill Carter's book where it is revealed Johnny Carson did not retire so quietly as we all thought. Carson had one more year on his contract, but Leno's agent Helen Kuschnick had him shoved out to get Leno The Tonight Show...

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Me: Carson was "forced out" by Leno and NBC

You: Lies!

Me: There is the now infamous story depicted in The Late Shift HBO TV Movie based on Bill Carter's book where it is revealed Johnny Carson...

DID NOT RETIRE SO QUIETLY AT ALL. CARSON HAD ONE MORE YEAR ON HIS CONTRACT, BUT LENO'S AGENT HELEN KUSCHNICK HAD HIM...

Wait for it...

Wait for it...

****SHOVED OUT TO GET LENO THE TONIGHT SHOW.****

How is that not equivalent (or worse) than your idea that Conan "forced out" Leno?

Go Wings.

He was retiring. If Letterman had taken over, you'd give a good two shits about it.

In Leno's case, there was NO TALK of retirement. It wasn't even thought of. But, Conan pressed NBC and they bent to his will and told Jay he had 5 years.

And everything was going according to plan until...Conan couldn't get the job done. He flopped. GOOD!

So, it's NOT the same.

You mad. Jay beating Dave AGAIN. The End.

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So we know for 100% fact that Carson had never pondered extending, if even for a couple years? I'd love that information from you.

Lets pretend that is all true...

So it's not even more bitch-made to overstep the legend you might replace, by conning your way to his job instead of allowing Carson to appoint his successor? Pushing him out earlier than planned?

>In Leno's case, there was NO TALK of retirement. It wasn't
>even thought of. But, Conan pressed NBC and they bent to his
>will and told Jay he had 5 years.

I love your wording! "Told Jay he had 5 years", as if it wasn't mutually agreed upon. Again, Jay could have said NO - he didn't, he was a bitch.

>And everything was going according to plan until...Conan
>couldn't get the job done. He flopped. GOOD!

Again, if Jay Leno was treated the way Conan was treated his first year... we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Leno FLOPPED hard in the first 7 months, losing most of Carson's audience. Hence, NBC was going to replace him with Letterman. Leno cried, threatened to leave, and they ended up keeping him on.

>So, it's NOT the same.

You're right, it's actually WORSE. Shitting on a legend, while pushing him out early, and losing ratings the first year = much worse.

At least we agree on that.

>You mad. Jay beating Dave AGAIN. The End.

This is the part that actually makes me smile the most! Leno's ratings suck now compared to pre-Conan. He's BARELY beating Dave, and his numbers are following Conan's of last year. It's an epic fail on Leno and NBC, and it's quite enjoyable to watch.

Go Wings.

I'm sure people would have at least speculated Johnny was thinking of re-upping while they were writing their revisionist drivel.

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>There is the now infamous story depicted in The Late Shift
>HBO TV Movie based on Bill Carter's book where it is revealed
>Johnny Carson did not retire so quietly as we all thought.
>Carson had one more year on his contract, but Leno's agent
>Helen Kuschnick had him shoved out to get Leno The Tonight
>Show...
>


most of it was Helen, although she did represent him so that has to count for something. His crime was he just seemed to not mind/pay attention as she hustled/alienated everyone Jay had to do business with. My understanding is that everyone loved him and hated her.

but everyone ignored that well-noted biz rule when it came to jay. they was on his ass.

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and she was especially bad. the only reason he fired her was her tactics, which had worked to get him on TV, didn't translate well to her working on the same program.

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He looked in pain talking yesterday night about everything.

Leno wasn't forced out, he had that 10 spot down before 'giving up' the Tonight Show. He also had years of build up time.

Conan got screwed. TBS is a little bit of a puzzling move, but I'm there every night I can be at 11PM to watch and support.

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Leno - a guy with that much money, ratings, and pull in the company isn't FORCED to do anything.

He agreed to do it, passed it on, and decided later he didn't want to.

It's a bitch move. There really isn't any denying it.

I mean we saw how fast NBC was willing to let go of Conan at this point, what makes you think that if it had truly come down to Leno vs. Conan 5 years earlier that they would really just go with Conan without Leno agreeing to do it.

Besides, Leno is such a manipulative, lying sack of shit politician when it comes to talking about this stuff, we'd never get the 100% true story anyway.

Hell, he hasn't even contacted Conan about it. That's pretty cold.

In the end, Leno and NBC fucked up. The ratings are NOWHERE near pre-Conan numbers and it is currently following the same numbers trajectory as Conan from last year.

They all lose.

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Then he failed in his new show. But you don't want to talk about that.

Man when you get to a certain level, you never get 'canned' or 'forced' it's ALWAYS on some resignation/retirement shit. But a rose is still a rose...

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He signed a 5 year deal in 2004.

End story.

I mean, if you can't read between the lines I really don't know what to tell you. *shrug*

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That was easy.

Conan repeatedly said, "I'm Good".
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I am beyond sick of this shit- I was never that big of a Conan fan anyway, because he belongs to the Harvard comedy mafia which is responsible for the shitty state of SNL. There is a sense of privilege there- its not like anyone is interview Van Jones on 60 minutes a year after he was ousted from his White house post. Its circle jerk television posing as a celebrity profile. Nobody cares how he feels about the situation now- he has a new show, so what is there to say?

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If I want to hear anything, it would be how he is going to work with George Lopez...that kind of stuff, but all this other up close and personal ish comes off as narcissistic.

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>Conan repeatedly said, "I'm Good".

exactly, he has said time and time again that he's doing fine and that nobody should feel sorry for him. he said it best on his last tonight show episode during that closing statement.

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but the impression that I've gotten since this whole thing started is that he didn't want people to feel bad for him. Nothing really wrong with him sharing his side of the story (as much as legally possible) though.

Was because he wasnt allowed to give his side until now also act like turner isnt forcing him to do every interview possible... they need the promotion.. it didnt seem woe is me at all.. more like his side of this mess.. that everyone already knew from his monologues

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a young guy in a company wants a promotion because he thinks he can take on the challenge, so he asks about the job. the company likes the younger guy and wants to keep him (also knowing that their rivals have thrown out offers his way). the company asks the older guy in the position if he is comfortable moving on in a few years. Older guy says yes, despite meaning no (and no one knows he meant no). Older guy publicly says the job is the younger guy's in 5 years then when the time comes older guy claims to be forced out.

essentially, jay lied and you think conan should have known what he REALLY meant. also, you think conan shouldn't have asked about the job when he thought he was ready for it. NBC would have been fully within their rights to say no, but they didn't, and Jay said he was cool with it all.

shit, 5 years ago, jay BARELY had the show for a decade, so why would be thinking about giving it up?

conan knew what he was doing. he lost. i don't feel sorry for him.

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all speculation. cause I saw Leno on television say it was all Conan's in 5 years. Jay ADMITTED to lying on Oprah. So once again (because you haven't answered this question) how was Conan supposed to know that Jay didn't feel like moving on? Jay even added in the old "leave on a high note" stuff. Just say he lied.

edit: and yes, Conan did know what he was doing... asking about a promotion.

pleading ignorance? Conan don't have the luxury. He knew how Jay felt. He didn't care. He played his hand and won.

Then, he lost.

Over.

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>
>pleading ignorance?

or just going by the facts. Conan asked about the job because he wanted to advance his career, which was reasonable. NBC could've said no, which would've been reasonable. Jay gave the okay (of which there's video evidence and not speculation) and then later on acted like he was being pushed out, which was unreasonable.

If you really think Jay didn't have leverage over them, then I don't know what to tell you. He just didn't use it because he's a push-over. That's not Conan's fault. Not really Jay's fault either, except that he was dishonest about it.

Still NBC's fault though.

not doing this with you. we both know better.

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and he hasn't ruled his time slot like Conan did. He knows all that. Not to mention that its pretty much Letterman thats Ferguson's boss. The Tonight Show is an NBC franchise, not a Leno franchise. Conan asked about taking on the reins a few years from that point when he had offers to leave immediately to other networks. Completely reasonable. He waited longer than he had to to get the 11:35 slot just because he was dedicated to doing it with NBC and the Tonight Show. He waited his turn for 5 more years. What more do you want?

bottomline: conan wanted THE TONIGHT SHOW...conan knew/knows jay loved/loves that job and he didn't give a fuck.

he lost

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>bottomline: conan wanted THE TONIGHT SHOW...conan knew/knows
>jay loved/loves that job and he didn't give a fuck.
>
>he lost

you acknowledge its NBC's fault, yet you STILL act like it was Conan's decision to give himself the show. he just asked about the future of it using the leverage that he had (nothing wrong with that). NBC could have denied him the show (would have been nothing wrong with that). Jay could have used his leverage to MAKE NBC deny him the show (would have been nothing wrong with that). He didn't. He said he didn't want their to be the same drama there was before, which was noble of him. Then he turned around and ACTED like he was being pushed out when HE gave the okay which wasn't noble of him at all (no, there's NO evidence he said No).


I mean I'm just going by facts here. You're going off speculation. Jay ADMITTED to lying. I'm actually okay with that, but don't call it anything else, and don't act like he didn't do the same (actually worse) to Carson. Oh wait, you already have a bunch of excuses for that? Alright. Cool.

he was OFFERED the job, just like conan was offered the job.

oh well.

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therefore NOT undermining him. the opposite happened 5.5 years later. the decision for Jay in '04 was to either keep the show or eventually give it to Conan and move on (eventually "moving on" became a BETTER time slot rather than retirement). Jay had to like at least one of those options, and he picked one. Conan's decision was to move back to his old timeslot or get released from NBC. Neither of those sounds pleasing from his position, do they (Yes, from HIS position, take yourself out of Zucker's/the advertiser's shoes for a second)? They sound like a slap in the face, don't they? Albeit a multimillion dollar slap in the face, but a slap nonetheless.

>
>shit, 5 years ago, jay BARELY had the show for a decade, so
>why would be thinking about giving it up?

...Jay is a known workaholic. He doesn't even like taking vacations, so I can't see him all of a sudden wanting to retire from that job that easy. The fact that he was willing to even take a job doing a show right before The Tonight Show makes me think he wasn't ready to retire.







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Jay was forced, Conan got backstabbed, whatever your stance may be...

Conan just couldn't carry the weight as "the guy".

Conan is best at what he was before, the 12:35-1:35 time slot.

he failed in the big time slot. its okay. he made the attempt and it didn't work out. it happens. move on.

If Conan did what was expected of him or if he was good as he and some of his fans mistakenly think he is, he'd be where Jay is now or do what Letterman did with his own brand.

instead he is on TBS of all places.

He won't even make Jimmy Kimmel blink.

<--- we've got bush!

There would no longer be the Tonight Show with Jay Leno (it would have lasted less than a year), and he would have never built the ratings to where they are today.

His ratings dropped significantly when taking over for Carson. After 6-7 months they were talking about replacing him. Ultimately, he got a second chance instead... Conan didn't. I bet having a conniving snake in the grass with an inane bloated contract didn't help his cause much.

That is the difference.

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Since everyone's been waiting on it

-I didn't mind the interview. I was surprised Conan was as pissed as he was, but he got fired (basically), and that does tend to piss people off and mess with your objectivity.

-I believe that the failure of Jay's show put more pressure on Conan than the poor ratings for his Tonight Show. A network can afford to give some time to a struggling late night show. It cannot afford to give time to a struggling primetime show. From there it was all business decisions, NBC cleaning up the mess they had made. Even I can see that Jay putting on a competing show on another network is unacceptable for NBC.

-I don't think Jay is a great Tonight Show host. Good at best. I think there are tons of people that would do a better job than Jay (and Conan, by extension). They might not want the job, but they could be charming and funny, something neither Conan, Dave nor Jay pull off very well for the larger audience. A Robert Downey Jr. type. Honestly, I think they should give the show to superhost Tom Bergeron. With time, I think he'd be more popular than Jay. I really do.

-As a huge Conan fan, I wish he'd move on to another format. He was such a talented writer. Get back to telling stories, instead of just telling jokes.

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