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"Now That The Dust Has Settled & There Will Be Blood's In Its Cable Run"


  

          

what's the final verdict on this flick in this forum?

Personally I caught it Sunday morning for the first time since the theater & was a bit taken aback by how unimpressed I was though I did watch it in full.

It was never on the level of No Country for me but the aspect often sighted as its biggest strength (the acting) is almost laughably over-the-top & campy to me now, particularly the trademark scenes of Daniel & Eli in the church and the final one in the bowling alley.

I was actually cracking up watching those while eating my Honey Bunches Of Oats that morning.

Something tells me that's not what anyone involved in the picture was going for, similar to Halle's 'make me feeeel good' breakdown in Monster's Ball.

It's amazing the way critics can shape a movie's perception sometimes.

  

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Didn't love it then. Don't love it now. But DDL was great.
Feb 16th 2010
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he was great in a scene-eating Bill The Butcher kinda way but those
Feb 16th 2010
2
      I do
Feb 16th 2010
3
      agreed but do you really think the church scene & the bowling alley
Feb 16th 2010
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           I mean....I think the two scenes you're talking about were meant
Feb 16th 2010
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           "Just give me the blood and let me get outta here."
Feb 16th 2010
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           but you think Dano was really playing it for laughs as he's chasing
Feb 16th 2010
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           two lines that gets lost in the church hysteria
Feb 16th 2010
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           RE: agreed but do you really think the church scene & the bowling alley
Feb 16th 2010
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                RE: agreed but do you really think the church scene & the bowling alley
Feb 16th 2010
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      RE: he was great in a scene-eating Bill The Butcher kinda way but those
Feb 16th 2010
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      yes it was.
Feb 16th 2010
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           ok
Feb 16th 2010
12
I saw it before critics had the chance to weigh in
Feb 16th 2010
4
Thanks For Coming!
Feb 16th 2010
9
You're welcome, and I'll be sure to return when the next variation on
Feb 17th 2010
36
Ok, but even then you KNEW critics would love it anyway
Feb 16th 2010
11
      No, not really
Feb 16th 2010
16
I thought it was okay, but DDL was amazing.
Feb 16th 2010
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RE: I thought it was okay, but DDL was amazing.
Feb 16th 2010
10
If it's not a Dano/DDL scene, I'm changing the channel
Feb 16th 2010
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I doubt Id sit through the entire film ever again, I kinda forced myself
Feb 16th 2010
14
saw it once...don't really have an urge to see it again
Feb 16th 2010
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Oh come on y'all. It's better than Gangs of New York.
Feb 16th 2010
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I don't think anyone's really riding hard in here claiming it isn't
Feb 16th 2010
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I don't even think there's a comparison between the two.
Feb 16th 2010
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      I haven't been able to rewatch Gangs since the theater so that
Feb 16th 2010
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Yes, but the comparison is fine.
Feb 17th 2010
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      pretty much, I found a lot of similarities between Bill & Plainview
Feb 18th 2010
42
I thought it was beautiful
Feb 16th 2010
21
I still think its better than No Country
Feb 16th 2010
22
uh, I understood what it meant, I just found the scenes to be comedic
Feb 16th 2010
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I still go back and forth between that and No Country...
Feb 16th 2010
30
i didn't even really think it was a movie...
Feb 16th 2010
31
I am not exactly sure what you mean by this...but I agree with you.
Feb 19th 2010
43
shit was indeed corny as fuck
Feb 16th 2010
32
I really need to get around to watching this.
Feb 17th 2010
34
lmao
Feb 17th 2010
39
lol
Feb 20th 2010
50
the ending is flawed
Feb 17th 2010
35
Masterpiece
Feb 17th 2010
37
Right below The Assassantion of Jesse James along w/ NCFOM
Feb 17th 2010
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Still Better than No Country
Feb 17th 2010
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no fucking way
Feb 19th 2010
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      ^^^What He Said
Feb 19th 2010
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a brilliant film
Feb 17th 2010
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technically it's great film but ultimately no heart and not something yo...
Feb 19th 2010
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which flick in addition to this one are you referring to? just curious
Feb 19th 2010
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      Blood
Feb 20th 2010
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           I thought you were referencing multiple films from your first reply
Feb 22nd 2010
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I mean, some people still think Magnolia is a good movie
Feb 19th 2010
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lol I love Magnolia
Feb 19th 2010
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Magnolia is a great movie
Feb 20th 2010
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Magnolia is a good movie. So is There Will Be Blood and NCFOM.
Feb 23rd 2010
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honey bunches of oats, FTW!!!
Feb 20th 2010
51
^^ lol
Feb 05th 2024
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Ok. I caught this movie for the first time since I saw it in the theater...
Feb 04th 2024
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1. "Didn't love it then. Don't love it now. But DDL was great. "
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As always.

  

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2. "he was great in a scene-eating Bill The Butcher kinda way but those"
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scenes with Dano are straight-up funny & I don't think that was on purpose.

  

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3. "I do"
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>I don't think that
>was on purpose.

Nobody said the movie had to be 100% serious

  

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7. "agreed but do you really think the church scene & the bowling alley"
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scene were being played for laughs?

That certainly wasn't how the critics perceived it upon its release but maybe the actors & PTA thought otherwise, despite the comical nature of it to me they certainly are scenes that I would keep on if I was flipping because the sheer ridiculousness is/was entertaining.

  

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17. "I mean....I think the two scenes you're talking about were meant"
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to be both serious and funny at the same time, if that makes sense. The combination of serious premise/funny or ridiculous dialogue/delivery helps make it memorable.

  

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18. ""Just give me the blood and let me get outta here." "
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You don't think everyone on set didn't know that that was going to get a laugh?

  

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23. "but you think Dano was really playing it for laughs as he's chasing"
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him around & slapping him to return the favor from earlier?

I dunno, maybe he was, the way he played that part the rest of the movie suggests otherwise to me though.

  

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25. "two lines that gets lost in the church hysteria"
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"Where's your God now Eli?"

*slap*

"THERE he is!"

  

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19. "RE: agreed but do you really think the church scene & the bowling alley"
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>scene were being played for laughs?

My two cents: not entirely, but I think certain moments were. Not all of it worked for me. For example, I don't find the final line of the film funny while some in the crowd did.

>That certainly wasn't how the critics perceived it upon its
>release but maybe the actors & PTA thought otherwise, despite
>the comical nature of it to me they certainly are scenes that
>I would keep on if I was flipping because the sheer
>ridiculousness is/was entertaining.

I agree that reviews rarely if it all brought up the question of comic intention or if they found moments in the film funny or not. The crowd was laughing hard during most of the baptismal scene.

  

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26. "RE: agreed but do you really think the church scene & the bowling alley"
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>>scene were being played for laughs?
>
>My two cents: not entirely, but I think certain moments were.
>Not all of it worked for me. For example, I don't find the
>final line of the film funny while some in the crowd did.
>
that last line got more of a murmured 'what the fuck?' when the credits rolled up immediately after in my theater, the friend I had with me laughed but it was more in a 'fuck you for making me sit through that for two-and-a-half hours let's get a drink' kinda way.

>>That certainly wasn't how the critics perceived it upon its
>>release but maybe the actors & PTA thought otherwise,
>despite
>>the comical nature of it to me they certainly are scenes
>that
>>I would keep on if I was flipping because the sheer
>>ridiculousness is/was entertaining.
>
>I agree that reviews rarely if it all brought up the question
>of comic intention or if they found moments in the film funny
>or not. The crowd was laughing hard during most of the
>baptismal scene.

  

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5. "RE: he was great in a scene-eating Bill The Butcher kinda way but those"
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>scenes with Dano are straight-up funny & I don't think that
>was on purpose.

I think they were. DDL on Charlie Rose said something like he misses playing Plainview because Plainview makes him laugh. PTA also said he was going for humor as well but I think he said he was surprised at what some audiences laughed at.

  

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8. "yes it was."
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>scenes with Dano are straight-up funny & I don't think that
>was on purpose.

if this makes any sense: it was almost made to look like it had no comic relief, and that level of intensity then became the comic relief.

and yes, it was intentional.

  

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12. "ok"
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>
>and yes, it was intentional.

  

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4. "I saw it before critics had the chance to weigh in"
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Loved it then, love it now

And no, I'm not going to explain why, sorry

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9. "Thanks For Coming!"
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>Loved it then, love it now
>
>And no, I'm not going to explain why, sorry

  

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36. "You're welcome, and I'll be sure to return when the next variation on"
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this dead horse topic (TWBB is overrated and is not never ever seeing NCfOM!) rears its head again in about two months' time...

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11. "Ok, but even then you KNEW critics would love it anyway"
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based on the 3 elements of "DDL" "PTA" and "epic"

I'm not even trying to say anything with this post, but...don't say you saw it without knowing what the critics would think, because as soon as you heard this film was in production you damn well knew it was Oscar bait.

  

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16. "No, not really"
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The screening I went to was filled to the brim with actors and writers who weren't quite sure what they were watching while they were watching it

The potential for a disconnect between audience and critical reaction certainly was there, despite the presence of Daniel Day-Lewis and Paul Thomas Anderson... it's unquestionably a somewhat-bizarre movie; a beautifully-shot and acted movie but still bizarre

At the time I saw and reviewed it I think I compared the reaction to when magnolia came out; while revisionist history would like to say that it was universally acclaimed by the critics, I definitely remember seeing reactions that were more mixed

Bottom line is you just don't know what the critical reaction's going to be. Even if you have elements that are just "Oscar bait," you still don't know. Hell, we get movies every year that are lined up to get loads of Oscar nominations and/or critical acclaim, only to come up empty on both fronts, for the most part. For further information, see Lovely Bones, The and Road, The.

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6. "I thought it was okay, but DDL was amazing."
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There were some great scenes, but overall I was pretty blah with it all. The comparisons it got to NCFOM were pretty unfair.

All that said, I look at it like an improved Gangs of New York - it was a better movie for sure, but the story was fairly weak and the only thing that truly carried it was it's central performance (and, like GONY, a fantastic LOOK to the movie).

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10. "RE: I thought it was okay, but DDL was amazing."
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>There were some great scenes, but overall I was pretty blah
>with it all. The comparisons it got to NCFOM were pretty
>unfair.
>
>All that said, I look at it like an improved Gangs of New York
>- it was a better movie for sure, but the story was fairly
>weak and the only thing that truly carried it was it's central
>performance (and, like GONY, a fantastic LOOK to the movie).

yeah, I'd say the GONY comparison is fair, it does have more standout moments than that movie.....maybe because TWBB was actually centered around DDL while in GONY he was technically a 'supporting actor' who just stole every scene he was in.

  

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13. "If it's not a Dano/DDL scene, I'm changing the channel"
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I thought the movie was fine then but I really don't want to watch it again. I'll check it out if it's one of a handful of scenes that I thought were great but that's about it.

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14. "I doubt Id sit through the entire film ever again, I kinda forced myself"
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to do so this time around since I hadn't seen it since the theater....at this point, those two scenes I mentioned that I laughed at are probably the only two I'd watch if I passed by it on cable.

  

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15. "saw it once...don't really have an urge to see it again"
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DDL did his thing as always, but I honestly find his performance in Gangs to be more enjoyable on a "bored watching cable" level

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20. "Oh come on y'all. It's better than Gangs of New York."
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Even with its campiness and melodrama, Gangs of New York is a mess.

And I agree with those that said certain scenes are meant to be funny here.

It's definitely not as good as No Country For Old Men though.

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24. "I don't think anyone's really riding hard in here claiming it isn't"
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unless you meant to reply to Will directly but I didn't even really get the impression from his reply that he was either.

  

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28. "I don't even think there's a comparison between the two."
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That's how inferior I think GONY is. Even with Bill the Butcher... I think he's better in TWBB.

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29. "I haven't been able to rewatch Gangs since the theater so that"
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ought to tell you where I stand on the matter, considering I grew up on Scorsese.

  

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33. "Yes, but the comparison is fine."
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I said GONY was awful. TWBB wasn't awful, but the fact that DDL carries both movies bears comparison.

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42. "pretty much, I found a lot of similarities between Bill & Plainview"
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21. "I thought it was beautiful "
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There aren't a lot of people making movies that don't get immediately tossed into the "Christian" bin that deal with the idea of sin (its beginnings, its course, its noetic effects, etc.) as seriously as PTA does. "There Will Be Blood" was such a cool movie because it was so huge in the scope of time and space, but it was such a small, tight anthropology of human sin at the same time. In this sense, I think there's value to the narrative in the increasingly over-the-top performances.

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22. "I still think its better than No Country"
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And Cormac McCarthy is my favorite writer.


I don't see how anyone can watch the entire movie and not understand that DDL is giving Eli's sermon back to him.If's funny because it is so damn ridiculous.He already beat the guy,but now he's going for pure humiliation
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27. "uh, I understood what it meant, I just found the scenes to be comedic"
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>And Cormac McCarthy is my favorite writer.
>
>
>I don't see how anyone can watch the entire movie and not
>understand that DDL is giving Eli's sermon back to him.If's
>funny because it is so damn ridiculous.He already beat the
>guy,but now he's going for pure humiliation
>
which I don't remember being the perception of them amongst academy types when it was out but in the end, those were the two funniest and maybe only truly legitimately always rewatchable segments of the flick for me.

  

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30. "I still go back and forth between that and No Country..."
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but DDL....his performance is so freaking great. No Country is technically the better film but I always end up going back toward TWBB.

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31. "i didn't even really think it was a movie..."
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and i disliked it.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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43. "I am not exactly sure what you mean by this...but I agree with you."
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I am not one of those folks who needs a story or for everything to fit together, but it always seemed to me that the movie is like someone filmed to non-consecutive chapters in a really good book.

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32. "shit was indeed corny as fuck"
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i have absolutely no interest in watching it a 2nd time

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34. "I really need to get around to watching this."
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39. "lmao"
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50. "lol"
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35. "the ending is flawed"
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After the 20 year jump everything takes some effort to believe. As impressive as the craft and acting is, it's still not nearly as immersive as the rest of the film.

It's a 90% masterpiece, in my book.

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37. "Masterpiece"
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credit to colonelk for finding the word I was looking for.

...says Wrongthink

Real talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12JJv6yCk7Q

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38. "Right below The Assassantion of Jesse James along w/ NCFOM"
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Like Rorschach I go back & forth on which one I like better between the other two.

  

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40. "Still Better than No Country"
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48. "no fucking way"
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49. "^^^What He Said"
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41. "a brilliant film"
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ive seen it at least 4 times now. Ive always thought it was pretty remarkable.

  

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44. "technically it's great film but ultimately no heart and not something yo..."
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not something youd watch all the time..but to be fair most of PTA's latest output has been somewhat mini epics that aren't just something you rewatch. Seems more like you watch to "appreciate my greatness..see what I did here in this part.." etc etc

  

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45. "which flick in addition to this one are you referring to? just curious"
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52. "Blood"
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"Hi"-(c)Joker

  

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54. "I thought you were referencing multiple films from your first reply"
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46. "I mean, some people still think Magnolia is a good movie"
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what do you expect?

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47. "lol I love Magnolia"
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but really didn't like Punch Drunk and am ambivalent towards TWBB

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53. "Magnolia is a great movie"
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...says Wrongthink

Real talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12JJv6yCk7Q

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55. "Magnolia is a good movie. So is There Will Be Blood and NCFOM."
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51. "honey bunches of oats, FTW!!!"
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"i smack clowns with nouns, punch herbs with verbs..."

  

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57. "^^ lol"
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was my go-to for a good bit

  

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56. "Ok. I caught this movie for the first time since I saw it in the theater..."
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It's still good as a vivid visual description of the life of an oil prospector. At the end of the movie, DDL is still that dirty lonely prospector covered in filth at the bottom of a hole that he was at the beginning of the film.

That alone and the DDL and Dano performances make it a very good film (though of course not as good as Old Country).

But watching it more closely this time I think it's EGREGIOUS storytelling to have twin characters who never appeared on screen at the same time. AND then never say the words "twin brother" in the whole movie? That's really confusing storytelling.

It was 15 years since I last saw this movie but I am pretty sure I never caught that Dano was playing two different characters. Even this time watching on Prime I had to rewind to catch that Paul wasn't just some unseen character but actually Dano playing two parts.

No one brings it up in this post but did everyone get that Dano was playing two characters?



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