How does Britney Spears shaving her head fit in with this top 10?

10. Ozzy Osbourne bites the head off a dove at a party
9. Nikki Sixx (Motley Crue) OD's on heroin but is revived
8. Marvin Gaye is murdered by his father
7. A Great White concert turns tragic as the club catches fire (100 dead, 230 injured)
6. Britney Spears shaves her head and loses it in public
5. Tupac Shakur is shot and killed
4. Biggie Smalls is shot and killed
3. Kurt Cobain commits suicide
2. John Lennon is murdered
1. Michael Jackson dies

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They went back to Ozzy in the 70s. That means they gotta include shit like dude getting stabbed to death at a rolling stones concert.

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i can see where thats overranked.

if they talked about all the other crazy shit going on then i think its justified

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From marrying Federline to the time she was driving her Benz with her baby in her lap as the paparazzi gave chase to the rumored daily coke binges to her somnambulant MTV Video Awards performance... wasn't this the "the next logical step is an O.D. about 6 hours from now" moment of that particular time period?

It turned out to be the pinnacle (or nadir, if you're so inclined) of Batshit Britney Mania, so I'm guessing that's why it made the list, along with the fact that I think it was really the first time the paparazzi and media in general had 24 hour access to the major meltdown of a pop star (remember, TMZ and all them shits weren't around when Mariah lost it back in 2001)... and as has been mentioned, Britney was a mega pop star whose only major transgression up to that point was being dumped, then dissed by Timberlake (after he found out that goofy-ass Quo boy hit it)...

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isn't notable?

just be honest: this is because it's brittany. if it wasn't a modern day pop starlet, and it was a highly revered artist who transcended all demographic borders, you wouldn't trip on this.

this was the pinnacle of the entire saga. she was bald headed and beating an suv with an umbrella, for crying out loud. watching somebody lose all their marbles like that to the point where a court gives their parents power of attorney and her kids get removed from her custody is a spectacle of epic proportions, even by rock star standards.

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one of the single greatest rock star legends ever, and having every band member cite a different version of the story only adds to the infamy. three things, however, are for certain: there was a woman, a mudshark, and something from the ocean did in fact enter at least one of her two lower orifices.

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“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

Or Kurt, Pac, Biggie, or Marvin, for that matter. As much as I love Michael, he wasn't really active in the music scene in the decade that he died.

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..i wanna throw in "put together" but i don't wanna piss you all off tooo much...he's the biggest music star EVER, so he does trump them

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do we not remember The Beatles are bigger than Jesus thing. John Lennon had a massive spotlight on him and he was shot just as he was about to return to music IIRC. More sudden and shocking.

and ask somebody to sing any Beatles song they know. ANY Beatles song..


and they'd go: "....................... uh"

Tell them to do some kind of Beatles' characterized thing, or imitate some character trait: ".................. uh"


Then say Michael Jackson. Bet that bitch gonna start Moonwalkin and half-ass singing "Thriller".

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Shocking?

Oh My God a 96 pound freak show died!

Cmon

cause ya'll still ain't gonna stop his shit from being the most sold shit of all time. lol.


Fuck that weakling, rah rah rah! blah blah! The Beatles! Blah!... LOL. So which one of the Beatles' records reached as many people that MJ's did?

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So which one of the Beatles' records reached as
>many people that MJ's did?

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but seriously, debating either artist's influence on pop culture is just stupid, so stop.

and lennon was shot for no reason, it was more shocking.

I ain't see you say shit to the two others who replied above.


Also as far as shocking goes, I think that depends on who you talk to. I also don't think Lennon's death affected random people in remote parts of the world as much as it did in at least semi-developed countries.


My previous point was that MJ justifiably reached more different types of people than the Beatles did and when he died absolutely everyone was affected Not saying his death meant more than Lennon's because it didn't, I"m just saying it touched more people.

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>I ain't see you say shit to the two others who replied
>above.

and reentered the post when you were making your points.


>
>
>Also as far as shocking goes, I think that depends on who you
>talk to. I also don't think Lennon's death affected random
>people in remote parts of the world as much as it did in at
>least semi-developed countries.
>
>
>My previous point was that MJ justifiably reached more
>different types of people than the Beatles did and when he
>died absolutely everyone was affected Not saying his death
>meant more than Lennon's because it didn't, I"m just saying it
>touched more people.

i hear you, but it being more far-reaching doesn't automatically make it more shocking. lennon, as the symbol of peace for his time, was shot for seemingly no reason.

and i think you're underestimating the beatles reach as well.

but the fact of the matter, they didn't break down racial boundaries like MJ did. They were on an international fame level, but I think that was also moreso in at least semi-developed countries. You can go to the asscrack of earth and those people will know who MJ is.


And John Lennon was a peace symbol yes, but so was MJ. MJ was just unfortunate enough to get caught up in a whole bunch of media bullshit (for reasons that I'm not personally gonna get into because that's a whole nother discussion in and of itself). That doesn't make him any less of a peaceful person or a humanitarian.

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while MJ's death was shocking, it also wasn't shocking at all, in a certain sense. whether you agree that he was as weird as the media portrayed him or not his life (especially from the mid-80's on) did seem to be one bizarre event after another. just about every piece of news that involved him was bizarre, so it was kinda not surprising that he died of a strange cause. now the beatles/lennon did some weird stuff, but for someone that peaceful to be SHOT to death (especially by someone who wasn't even a militant or anything) is weird and shocking on another level.

The point is, on this retarded list, a man dying well after his career has grinded down to a halt is MORE shocking than a man being murdered at the peak of a solo career and immediately following being a key cog in the biggest group of all time.

MJ vs. John Lennon in terms of fame or influence has nothing to do with this, at all. I love Michael Jackson. I also love The Beatles. To be honest, I probably love Michael more. But to act like a death post-career is more shocking than a death at a career's height is foolishness.

Shockingly, someone ranking someone ahead of MJ in something isn't hate every single time. Sometimes it's just logic.

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Is whether they were in the height of their career or not. Legacy has nothing to do with it. Worldwide reach has nothing to do with it. Humanitarian intentions have nothing to do with. The fact that they were both still relatively young had nothing to do with it.... Oh aight.

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This sounds like a case of... "Cause I said so," to me. Seems like you chose the measuring tool and it's just THE measuring tool because you said so.

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>Is whether they were in the height of their career or not.

Yes, that's what makes things shocking. They decided that shock was the factor of this list. Thus, why I raise that point.

>Legacy has nothing to do with it.

They have close to equal legacies. If Jackson is #1 (he is), then John Lennon is #2. Relative on the scale of music, they are at the extreme top of the pile. And at the time of Lennon's death, he had the biggest legacy of nearly any artist (maybe other than Bob Dylan... maybe). So the argument of legacy cancels out, since John's legacy at the time of his death was as big as Michael's at the time of his. Michael's is bigger overall, but you have to consider the relative weight at the time of death when factoring the amount of shock.

> Worldwide reach has nothing
>to do with it.

While Jackson is more popular overseas now by a longshot, in 1980 John Lennon was as hugely famous in Asia and overseas as Jackson is now. He was the biggest artist of his era.

> Humanitarian intentions have nothing to do
>with.

John Lennon, once again, was the most humanitarian friendly top music celeb of his era, just like Michael Jackson was the top of his. Lennon released "Give Peace a Chance" and "Imagine" for fuck's sake. You can't act like he didn't do a thing. Jackson did more to date, sure, but at the time, just like Jackson was #1 now, Lennon was #1 then. So again, relatively, when considering WHEN they died, these are roughly equal, which is which I didn't stress this point.

> The fact that they were both still relatively young had
>nothing to do with it.... Oh aight.

Lennon was more than a decade younger. So yes, this is a measuring factor in shock value, of course.

>This sounds like a case of... "Cause I said so," to me. Seems
>like you chose the measuring tool and it's just THE measuring
>tool because you said so.

No, height of popularity and age and manner of death are just the natural factors when measuring shock. While Michael had been playing in Neverland the better part of the decade (sorry, I wish he'd been making records but it's true) when he died suddenly, John was out and about dropping #1 hits and promoting agendas of worldwide peace when he was murdered outdoors in public.

I'm not saying Michael shouldn't be a Top 10 most shocking. And certainly in the span of time, Michael in my opinion is bigger than the Beatles, especially on music today and pop culture today.

But John dying the way he did is like if Michael had been shot to death in public right after releasing Bad. It's simply more shocking.

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