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"A Christmas Carol (Zemeckis, 2009)"
Fri Nov-06-09 01:06 AM by ZooTown74

  

          

First and foremost I'd like to say that the 3-D and animation is getting better in Robert Zemeckis' films. Does it look life like? No. only in the close-ups. With that said Mr. Zemeckis said that the reason he wanted to tell "A Christmas Carol" through the mo-cap medium as it allowed to fully put on-screen what Charles Dickens had in mind.(Zemeckis adpated the book for the screenplay in addition to producing and directing) With all of that said I'm sick of see A Christmas Carol. It's been done 80 times before and the only thing I liked about it was how they did the 3 ghosts including a pretty awesome chase scene involving The Ghost of Christmas Future. To be honest I dozed off a couple of times but hey at least Zemeckis said that *if* Roger Rabbit 2 gets into production it'd be live action with 2-D animation again.

The producers and Zemeckis are really excited about this new technology and have 8 films in the pipline including a remake of Yellow Submarine (too which my small audience ooohed and ahhhed at. Can you imagine what a Blue Meanie would look like in photo realistic technology? Yeah I know...) using this technology, so until Roger Rabbit 2 pops up don't expect this guy to make a live action movie for a looooooong time.

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who the fuck really wants to see a photorealistic "Yellow Submarine?"
Nov 01st 2009
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RE: who the fuck really wants to see a photorealistic "Yellow Submarine?...
Nov 01st 2009
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      I mean, did they not see how horribly "Across the Universe" did?
Nov 01st 2009
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           Never seen Across The Universe. Should I? nm
Nov 01st 2009
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                Only if you're high. Really high.
Nov 02nd 2009
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                     Sounds fun...
Nov 02nd 2009
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                     & even then it still drags
Nov 06th 2009
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who the fuck wants to see Jim Carrey
Nov 02nd 2009
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....but...no one's going to _see_ him in this picture.
Nov 02nd 2009
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stfu
Nov 03rd 2009
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Real Americans, that's who.
Nov 04th 2009
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      lmao
Nov 12th 2009
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Dickens' vision?
Nov 06th 2009
11
Agreed. Ebert's review makes me optimistic though.
Nov 06th 2009
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      I read Entertainment Weekly's review...
Nov 06th 2009
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      then why do motion capture?
Nov 07th 2009
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           because it's "shiny and new"
Nov 08th 2009
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                I was making this same comparison to somebody today
Nov 10th 2009
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I loved it....
Nov 09th 2009
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I liked it
Nov 09th 2009
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RE: I loved it....
Nov 09th 2009
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Didn't like it.
Nov 11th 2009
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RE: A Christmas Carol (Zemeckis, 2009)
Nov 12th 2009
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Nukkapedia
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1. "who the fuck really wants to see a photorealistic "Yellow Submarine?""
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wouldn't that be counterproductive?

Animation doesn't have to look lifelike. It's a ridiculous goal in my opinion, save for effects works in live-action films.

  

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bwood
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2. "RE: who the fuck really wants to see a photorealistic "Yellow Submarine?..."
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Exactly what I was thinking. They're trying to get this out in summer 2012. The original YS was a very 60s physciadelliac (sp) film. Why in the fuck would Disney wanna endorse a mo-cop version of that world. I mean even for adults that mo-cap shit for YS is gonna us nightmares...

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3. "I mean, did they not see how horribly "Across the Universe" did?"
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4. "Never seen Across The Universe. Should I? nm"
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6. "Only if you're high. Really high."
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bwood
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8. "Sounds fun... "
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Netflix it this weekend with a dutch in hand.

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14. "& even then it still drags"
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5. "who the fuck wants to see Jim Carrey"
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7. "....but...no one's going to _see_ him in this picture."
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9. "stfu"
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10. "Real Americans, that's who. "
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23. "lmao"
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I want to see this but I am a christmas carol fan..

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11. "Dickens' vision?"
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> With that said Mr. Zemeckis
>said that the reason he wanted to tell "A Christmas Carol"
>through the mo-cap medium as it allowed to fully put on-screen
>what Charles Dickens had in mind.

Really, Bob? Find me the page where the ghost turns Scrooge into a tiny version of himself, who then surfs on an icicle and bangs his head over and over again.

Seriously, half that trailer is Carey screaming/bellowing in pain or fright.

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12. "Agreed. Ebert's review makes me optimistic though."
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I get the impression from him and EW's review that the horrible TV ads are merely to attract dumb impressionable kids, and that the real film is full of heart and spirit.

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13. "I read Entertainment Weekly's review..."
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...and I'll agree that (what I said earlier) the animation and 3-D is getting better and the I enjoyed the unique take on the ghosts but that's it. Everything else has been done better in the other versions of this movie. And I pray to God that this is the LAST version that surfaces.

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15. "then why do motion capture?"
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This story is so simple and so character based.

I mean, kids *can* actually be captivated by storytelling and acting. They don't need envelope pushing technology to keep them from getting bored.

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16. "because it's "shiny and new""
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not that it's really shiny or new, but you get what I'm saying...

I've never found motion-captured performances to have much heart or soul. They look mechanical to me, like rotoscope.

  

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20. "I was making this same comparison to somebody today"
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The Zemeckis gimmick reminds of me of Ralph Bakshi. Worse than real animation in pretty much any way of looking at it I can think of.

If you want real, shoot real actors. If you want expressive, interesting, magical, animate them. Motion capture makes no sense to me.

The fact that Zemeckis is planning to do the "real" characters in motion capture 3D and the "toons" in 2D for the Roger Rabbit sequel blows my mind. He's just totally infatuated with this technology.

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17. "I loved it...."
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I have no real attachment to the story itself which I believe is one big reason why some people aren't loving the film. I also don't mind the mo-cap or representations of people, at least in 3D I think it works fine (don't know about 2D). That being said, my friend and I absolutely LOVED the movie. It wasn't the sugary, schmaltzy Disney crap I feared it could be but actually quite dark, macabre and intense. Jim Carey is very understated and does a great job and the visuals are stunning - Zemekis is really the only director so far (excluding Coraline) that really uses 3D well.

  

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18. "I liked it"
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- my 7 year old (notsomuch)

it was too "dark, macabre and intense" for her.

This was done very well but this isn't for the young crowd.
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19. "RE: I loved it...."
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Agreed. I thought it was very well done and cannot imagine what good seeing it in 2D would do.

  

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21. "Didn't like it."
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Parts were well done. The ending was good. But I didn't like Carrey and I hate motion-capture. I also saw it in 2D, so take that for what it's worth.

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22. "RE: A Christmas Carol (Zemeckis, 2009)"
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I didn't really care for it. I guess it was done well, but I'm not a big fan of the motion capture technique. It was okay,but nothing spectacular.

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