1. "Just letting you know, we discuss this regularly in COTW" In response to Reply # 0
And if you think those first four trades are grimy, just keep reading. As a matter of fact, the last issue of "Scalped" is its gulliest issue ever. EVER.
6. "Sorry JR, last the issue wins" In response to Reply # 5
Nothing, and I mean nothing, was gullier than the scene with Red Crow on the phone. I won't divulge the details, 'cause the O.G. poster hasn't read it yet, but that was grimy supreme.
see..... I cant read the individual issues cause my heart cant take the damn suspense,.....
i need to get the Graphic novels so I can get a bigger hit. the next one comes out in OCt, and believe you me,....I will be like a crackhead waiting for that shit...!!!!!
I almost think they should make a movie,...but somehow I think either
A) its too grimey for hollywood,.....
B) they will fuck it up beyond repair.......
C) they'll get tommy lee Jones or Benecio Del Toro to play Bad Horse.
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16. "man, Hollywood would never touch a story like this" In response to Reply # 9
a corrupt FBI agent? actually a few corrupt FBI agents? a reservation casino kingpin? meth addicted drug trading killers littering the res? Hmong gangstas who get off on torture? a white boy desperate to be injun? a pretty obvious Leonard Peltier reimagining? I mean, scalping, and a hero who gets addicted to smack while banging out the town ho?
Hell and nah does this ever get made into a movie, and if it did, it would be a farce.
ahahaha The fact that theres even a comic book like this is crazy as shit. I have to say that the theme of this shit is light years beyond anything hollywood could ever touch.
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18. "Scalped is absolutely better." In response to Reply # 11 Mon Aug-24-09 02:14 PM by lonesome_d
>100 Bullets?
100 Bullets worked very well as almost-independent arcs, or loosely connected stories... but the attempt to tie those arcs into a larager narrative never really panned out like I expected it to.
39. "Yeah I kinda agree" In response to Reply # 25
and I ride for 100 Bullets. I own all the trades and honestly this run that Scalped is on is unimaginable. Got me wanting to do some research on native spirituality.
if Jason Aaron is Native American or at least part.... cause either that or this dude really did his research on th culture as a whole, it seems. I mean there is just certain things in that book about the Native American culure and life on the reservation that i dont think everyone is just privy too......
Unknown Soldier should be good in this respect as well.
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Zen_the_Jedi Member since Jul 22nd 2002 1069 posts
Wed Aug-26-09 08:03 AM
55. "Ive seen some of that too" In response to Reply # 52
buuuut,.... it leaves the question, "does that kinda shit really happen on a Indian reservation?" I mean, yeah its grimey and not flattering in any sense of the word to look into the Res, like Aaron does, but is it real?
It sort of reminds me of a movie called Fort Apache Bronx, with Paul Newman....he played a police officer in the "Fort Apache" area in the Bronx in the 70s.
When that movie came out,...alot of people protested it, called it racist, said it was a unfair portrayal, etc etc......
but the reality of it is is that the Fort Apache area in the 70s Bronx was a fucken war zone. The hood of all hood. Nothing about that movie was unrealistic. Yet, it wasn't flattering and it didn't portray the good things about the Bronx.......
I suspect that SCALPED is that same sort of thing..... GRIMEY,....REAL,........TO THE HEART....yet unflattering and not upliftingly positive.
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58. "It's fiction. It shouldn't be real." In response to Reply # 55
undoubtedly the story contains elements of real life on a reservation, but it's not a true story and shouldn't necessarily reflect 'reality' aeven if it is 'realistic.'
60. "I read a really good non-fiction book called On The Rez" In response to Reply # 55
by Ian Frazier. If you're interested in an account of reservation life, I'd recommend it.
Addiction problems and poverty problems are pretty real from what I've encountered, but the element of criminality seems pretty overblown for the story's sake. I've lived near reservations with casinos, too, and I definitely didn't get the sense that there was an organized gang about to be infiltrated by the FBI, just lots of poverty and cultural alienation, slightly paid back by slots.
check it out. I mean,...at the end of the day, Jason Aaron is writing a fictional story,... however, there's no telling of how much of it is based on actual reality unless we see it from the eyes of one living as an Indian on an Indian Reservation. But like they say,....there are 8 million stories in the city,...this is just one.
Thats why I think I like this story so much, cause it gives the reader a picture of something that they normally might never encounter or even hear about.
What makes it even more grimey is that all of the characters in the book have this sense of "accepted normalcy" in the most dire of situations where only the the powerful and corrupt can ever rise. But even the powerful and corrupt are so linked to the inherent problems that there is no real solution to fix it. The history is too deep,...the scars are too deep,...the damage....has already been done and now the problems are entrenched.
So even if Dashiel BadHorse does take down the criminal,..... Nothing will ever really change. Life on the Rez, will continue in its worse way....
I would love to see sort of a Rashomon type story told from the Indian Rez where you see the story told from the perspective of all the characters involved.
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4. "the one issue with the spirit animals for all the characters is my fav" In response to Reply # 0
I think it's in the 2nd trade, right before
***SPOILERS***
Bad Horse's moms gets got. The crazy seer dude (why can't I remember his name right now?) goes stumbling through the Res on those visions and all, and he sees everyone as their spirit animal before scalping mama Bad Horse. That was easily, and I mean easily, one of the greatest comics I've ever read.
22. "I just haven't loved his Marvel stuff as much as I expected." In response to Reply # 21
I gave his Wolverine stuff a shot, and I gave his Ghost Rider a shot, but neither did much for me.
Similar thing might be happening with Jonathan Hickman. I loved his original stuff for image, but Secret Warriors didn't start off that strong for me - some great stuff in it, but it just didn't grab me that hard. That said I'll probably give his Fantastic Four a shot this week too.
51. "skip JR's advice though. Rebirth kinda sucked." In response to Reply # 49
You can dive right into Blackest Night w/o too much backstory, but a logical place to start is with the Sinestro Corps War, which I tink is collected in one trade.
You could probably just jump straight from that into the Blackest Night shebang going on now.
Zen_the_Jedi Member since Jul 22nd 2002 1069 posts
Wed Aug-26-09 08:09 AM
57. "im mos def gonna check it" In response to Reply # 51
I need to finish out 100 Bullets first.
all my money and attention goes to copping that and SCALPED. Maybe if I see the Blackest Night in a Borders or Barnes and Noble, I'll spend an hour reading it there.....
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27. "Aaron is doing a mini for the Invincible Iron Fist right now" In response to Reply # 21
something like Ultimate Weapons, where they review the five master villains in the world. So far they've only released the first, but the first one was fucking awesome, and I've never touched an Iron Fist comic before, so they're pretty effective as stand-alones, too.
31. "the Brubaker/Fraction Iron Fist stuff was great." In response to Reply # 29
>Is it in trade?
Kung fu badassedness. the tournament dragged a little, but some great characters were introduced and the IF back history was fantastic. There were a bunch of related one-shots that were all great, too.
A lot of folks jumped off when Swirczynik or whatever his name is came on, but his stuff was really good too.
And yes, the Fat Cobra issue by Aaron was pretty good.
45. "Vertigo's got a few heaters right now" In response to Reply # 40
I'd put Scalped at the top of the heap but I'd recommend Unknown Soldier and Unwritten as well. The Unknown Soldier trade just dropped, it's no slouch in the grime department either.
47. "well, if you're really interested in Grime, there's Greek Street too" In response to Reply # 45
>I'd put Scalped at the top of the heap but I'd recommend >Unknown Soldier and Unwritten as well. The Unknown Soldier >trade just dropped, it's no slouch in the grime department >either.
that Unknown Soldier is everything that SCALPED is and more,... but that may be one tall order. I will definitely cop the trade of that this weekend....
it looks interesting so far. im not familiar with that author's other works, but im definitely interested !!!!
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the most interesting things about SCALPED is just the pure desperation and accepted amount of corruption that goes on in everyday life. It makes me wanna do the knowledge and find out all that I can about life on the RES.
Nobody is winning on that REservation other than than the powerful and corrupt.... I mean its way beyond hood in a sense that you almost have to either join the circle of corruption or just leave in order to really make it. There doesnt seem to be a real middle ground. But leaving is almost an impossibility,....so therefore most end up in the cycle.
crazy shit man,..... Just on an average given day,....how many people do you hear talk about whats truly going on on an Idian Reservation??? And here we have this story being told through comic book format that speaks to a larger degree that no movie studio, news station or cable network would ever touch!
My hats off to Jason Aaron.
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The Wordsmith Member since Aug 13th 2002 17070 posts
Tue Aug-25-09 07:09 PM
53. "No tellin' what a cat can get away with on a reservation." In response to Reply # 50
Have you ever been on one? I went through one in Arizona last year and that joint was in the middle of NOWHERE. I could imagine how cats could get away with dirt at those joints.
Ive never been on one, but I definitely want to though.... I feel its something that I should see at least once in my life.
And maybe thats why SCALPED appealed to me so much, because I always sort of suspected the worse conditions going on in a Indian Reservation.
And Im sure there are some good things there too, like any hood, but I just tend to think Indians may have gotten the absolute worse of what America had to offer.
If you see yourself in others, then who can you possibly harm
64. "got indian country and casino boogie" In response to Reply # 62
need to pick up dead mothers and gravel in your gut. the comic book store moved a couple of shops down so i was waiting till they got situated.
i need to take a picture of their new mural on the side of their new spot. my neighbor keeps complaining to me that it really better not be finished because the silver surfer isn't on there.
i was thinking about picking up ghost world because i liked the movie and didn't know it was a comic until a few years after. i would like to read comics in that vein.
66. "right then, here you go" In response to Reply # 64
>i was thinking about picking up ghost world because i liked >the movie and didn't know it was a comic until a few years >after. i would like to read comics in that vein.
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