Personally, I think it is however I rarely hear it brought up when classics are discussed.

Your opinion?

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But I can see how someone could put it up there. Sci-Fi is a wide open genre and a lot of "classics" are actually awful films that have gained a cult following.

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>But I can see how someone could put it up there. Sci-Fi is a
>wide open genre and a lot of "classics" are actually awful
>films that have gained a cult following.

Can you name a few of these films?

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But films like Rollerball, Flash Gordon, They Live!, Robocop, etc. are all pretty silly. Entertaining but not technically better or worse than The Fifth Element (and, actually, probably technically worse) I've heard people try to argue that Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow is a classic while Ebert just called Knowing one of the best sci-fi films ever made.

You might be able to get a Top 20 that most people can agree upon but 20 - 25 will probably be all over the place.

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>But films like Rollerball, Flash Gordon, They Live!, Robocop,
>etc. are all pretty silly.


c'mon, those are't very good examples. fifth element is much better than those, w/ the exception of robocop.

btw, robocop is an excellent movie, and it is meant to be silly. that's kind of the point of the movie. and yes, it's both a genre classic, and general classic.

edit: and i understand what you mean when you say classics that are really just cult flicks, but let's not kid ourselves... no one's citing those flicks (again, except robocop) as classics. genre classics, maybe, and certainly cult favorites. but you'd have made a better comparison if you had said something like westworld or thx 1138.



Entertaining but not technically
>better or worse than The Fifth Element (and, actually,
>probably technically worse) I've heard people try to argue
>that Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow is a classic


LOL

My point is this: There's no way Fifth Element is the best sci-fi film ever made. It's not in the top 20. But once you get into something like "genre classics", then people start throwing out all sorts of names and, even though I don't consider it to be a genre classic, it's better than a lot of the films that people would toss out there.

I thought I had Westworld in there but that's a great example. (And I wouldn't call Robocop and all-time classic either).

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>My point is this: There's no way Fifth Element is the best
>sci-fi film ever made.

I never said the best sci-fi film ever made, but *ONE* of the best.

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I think there are 20 or so classics.

Then you get into the "genre classics" and you could throw Fifth Element into that conversation but even then, it probably loses out.

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As if your opinion is somehow more important than others. I'm not taking a jab at you, just commenting.

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What? Did you think there was some scientific answer to this or does someone have to write IMO after everything on this board.

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I just fail to see what this movie lacks that a "good" sci-fi movie doesn't.

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I was entertained. I just don't think it's a "great" sci-fi movie, which would what it would take to be considered one of the best.

But, again, I think when you talk Sci-fi, you get around 20 or so names that most everyone can agree upon and then it's fairly wide open.

You have Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, Blade Runner, Alien, Clockwork Orange, 2001, Metropolis, The Day the Earth Stood Still (original), Terminator, Terminator 2, Planet of the Apes (original), E.T., Back to the Future, Close Encounters, Forbidden Planet, Solaris (original), Aliens, Brazil, Akira, Jurassic Park.

Even in there, I think you can find some that a lot of people would disagree about but most of them are solid. But after that, people are all over the place. How good is The Matrix? Total Recall? The Thing? Robocop? Tron? Star Trek? Dune? Eternal Sunshine...? The Fly? Sleeper? Gattaca?

In the end, I think The Fifth Element is certainly not "great", probably not "very good", and just being "good" doesn't cut it when discussing the very best of a genre.

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I said it is one of the best. Also, I don't consider Star Wars to be that good. The acting/plot development is absolutely horrendous in my opinion. I suppose at the end of the day, it's all about personal taste but I find The Fifth Element to be an excellent film. It has all the makings of a great movie. Shrug

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yuck at all of these:
Blade Runner, Terminator 2, E.T., Jurassic Park.

how are this sci-fi:
Clockwork Orange, Eternal Sunshine

over-rated as hell:
2001, Back to the Future: nostalgia is the dominant factor in these

probabley the best of them all:
matrix

and one of the better ones:
Gattaca?

and yes 5th element is one of the better ones: mila's face, chris tuckers acting, good action, cool characters for the time, descent story line. and i usually think sci-fi is trash

>how are this sci-fi:
>Clockwork Orange, Eternal Sunshine

Eternal Sunshine was about a company that ENTERED YOUR BRAIN AND DELETED MEMORIES- such technology is a long, looooooooooong way off from existence. Hence, "science" fiction.

Clockwork Orange is about a dystopic future where the government uses video conditioning therapy to "cure" the violent impluses of gang members in Britain. While sure, behavioral therapy is used for psychotic individuals, it's not as extreme as depicted in the film.

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exploration or investigation. Show me some things, make me think...etc...don't just have a flick with a bunch of aliens set in space. I need a solid backstory.

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>exploration or investigation. Show me some things, make me
>think...etc...don't just have a flick with a bunch of aliens
>set in space. I need a solid backstory.

If you haven't seen it already, I strongly urge you to go see Moon.

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>If you haven't seen it already, I strongly urge you to go see
>Moon.

Just saw Moon on Monday & liked it but not as much as Primer or Sunshine. But I'm interested to see what Duncan Jones does next if he decides to stick with sci-fi. Hopefully he's not one & done as that seems to be the case with Shane Carruth.

no real solid back story except for the family stuff... but nothing of compelling interest like in Primer....

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If that isn't intentionally silly
I don't know what is.

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curious as to why you don't think its a classic.

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For it to be a "classic," it needs to be one of the best of its genre, period.

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The Fifth Element had so much more going for it, it's really imaginative, fun, exciting, etc... great story as well...

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Lost in Space? That movie was terrible.

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>The Fifth Element had so much more going for it, it's really
>imaginative, fun, exciting, etc... great story as well...

I felt it almost had too much going on for me to really enjoy it as a whole. That was the 1st movie I can recall Chris Tucker really getting on my nerves in.

it could change and become one. It is a fun western Sci-Fi movie with good action, comedy and visuals.

but it was fantasy and fun.

i actually saw it almost every weekend it was in the movies. movies were 3$ and i was really bored, and i loved it.

it's up there as far as one of the best since it came out ('97) - but overall in the history of sci-fi flicks, probably not

it's entertaining as a mug, though

>it's up there as far as one of the best since it came out
>('97) - but overall in the history of sci-fi flicks, probably
>not
>
>it's entertaining as a mug, though

So, since we all agree that it's very entertaining and has a lot of replay value... why can't we consider it one of the best? is it because it has a lot of humor in it and is not overly serious?

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*shrug*

that's really all there is to it

Just because it's a good film doesn't mean it's a classic or one of the best of all-time.

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i won't even include old sci-fi (stuff like the day the earth stood still, the thing from another planet, metropolis, etc); i'll just stick with newer flicks that i personally think are better. so very quickly -


blade runner (the best, imo)
empire strikes back
robocop
terminator & terminator 2
alien & aliens
star trek 2, and the new star trek
contact
the thing
12 monkeys
brazil
children of men
serenity
gattaca
2001
solaris
ghost in the shell
matrix
back to the future 1 & 2
jurassic park
dune

then there is the action/sci-fi subgenre which would include stuff like:

mad max & the road warrior
predator
escape from new york

really i could go on and on

i do consider The Fifth Element a classic though... I mean... just alone for the fact that everyone seems to enjoy it and it has a lot of replay value... sure, it doesn't have a lot of deep character development or an insane plot but its a damn good movie.

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And remember - I paid $8 to see it at the theatre. What an awful movie.

I think it's as bad as Event Horizon.

IMHO!

>And remember - I paid $8 to see it at the theatre. What an
>awful movie.
>
>I think it's as bad as Event Horizon.
>
>IMHO!

i love watching it every time it's on and even own the dvd, but it's not the best.

MUULTIPASS

wouldn't you agree? i mean... i fail to see why it's not if everyone loves to watch it over and over again.

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Personally, I think it is, however I rarely hear it brought up
when bloated pieces of shit are discussed.







There, i fixed that for you.

I just read, blink, and move on.

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although there were a couple seems i liked, but other than that... total ched

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The Fifth Element is an acquired taste, but a bad movie nonetheless with many missteps. Chris Tucker is hilarious.

Taking shots in the dark/that's a bad call
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Chris Tucker was awesome!

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It's also a bit pedo-bear.

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>It's also a bit pedo-bear.

in what way is it pedo-bear??

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