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BarTek
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"Is "The Fifth Element" one of the best scifi movies ever made?"


  

          

Personally, I think it is however I rarely hear it brought up when classics are discussed.

Your opinion?

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I'd vote no.
Aug 04th 2009
1
RE: I'd vote no.
Aug 04th 2009
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      Awful was too strong a word.
Aug 04th 2009
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           RE: Awful was too strong a word.
Aug 04th 2009
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                Once you start talking "genre classic", all types of shit is mentioned
Aug 04th 2009
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                RE: Once you start talking "genre classic", all types of shit is mention...
Aug 04th 2009
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                     No.
Aug 04th 2009
22
                          Haha @ No
Aug 04th 2009
27
                               You asked for people's opinions. I gave mine.
Aug 04th 2009
28
                                    You're right.
Aug 04th 2009
30
                                         It is a "good" sci-fi movie
Aug 04th 2009
32
                                         I see...
Aug 05th 2009
33
                                         WOW
Aug 06th 2009
49
                                              here's how they're science fiction
Aug 06th 2009
50
                                         For me, a good Sci-Fi flick involves some sort of...
Aug 05th 2009
36
                                              ^^^This is why I'm a huge fan of Primer
Aug 05th 2009
39
                                              Primer was just awesome, I love it...
Aug 05th 2009
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                                                   Primer is probably my favorite sci-fi flick for that criteria
Aug 05th 2009
46
                                              But that's how Star Wars was...
Aug 05th 2009
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                The star of They Live is a pro wrestler
Aug 05th 2009
35
No. But it is a fun movie.
Aug 04th 2009
2
why not?
Aug 04th 2009
5
      Because I can name 25-50 better examples of the genre.
Aug 05th 2009
34
I think those shrooms are still affecting your judgment.
Aug 04th 2009
3
Only if you consider Lost in Space one of em as well
Aug 04th 2009
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I think Lost in Space is okay but not a classic...
Aug 04th 2009
7
      What sci-fi films didn't you like?
Aug 04th 2009
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      That's exactly how I feel about The 5th Element.
Aug 04th 2009
11
I really enjoy the movie but it isn't a classic, at least not yet
Aug 04th 2009
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it was fun the way star wars prequals weren't
Aug 04th 2009
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depends on what one of the best means
Aug 04th 2009
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RE: depends on what one of the best means
Aug 04th 2009
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      nah, there are just lots of better sci-fi movies
Aug 04th 2009
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           Co-sign
Aug 04th 2009
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                yep, and so tek doesn't think i'm just blowing smoke
Aug 04th 2009
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                     ok i hear you...
Aug 04th 2009
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                     i like Contact but they cut the balls off of the book
Aug 05th 2009
44
It really sucks
Aug 04th 2009
16
I turned Event Horizon off after the, "got some blood here" line
Aug 05th 2009
37
it's very entertaining, but i wouldn't call it the best...
Aug 04th 2009
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I said, one of the best...
Aug 04th 2009
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Is "The Fifth Element" one of the worst movies ever made?
Aug 04th 2009
24
I don't even try to understand you.
Aug 04th 2009
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i thought it was unbelievably bad. like, Armageddon status
Aug 05th 2009
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GREAT MOVIE.
Aug 04th 2009
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Have you seen more than two sci-fi movies?
Aug 05th 2009
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I have seen them all and The Fifth Element is still one of my faves.
Aug 05th 2009
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I fell asleep, so the answer would be no.
Aug 05th 2009
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RE: I fell asleep, so the answer would be no.
Aug 05th 2009
45
it's not even one of the best sci-fi movies made in 1995
Aug 05th 2009
48

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1. "I'd vote no."
In response to Reply # 0
Tue Aug-04-09 04:55 PM by SoulHonky

          

But I can see how someone could put it up there. Sci-Fi is a wide open genre and a lot of "classics" are actually awful films that have gained a cult following.

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6. "RE: I'd vote no."
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>But I can see how someone could put it up there. Sci-Fi is a
>wide open genre and a lot of "classics" are actually awful
>films that have gained a cult following.

Can you name a few of these films?

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9. "Awful was too strong a word."
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Tue Aug-04-09 05:53 PM by SoulHonky

          

But films like Rollerball, Flash Gordon, They Live!, Robocop, etc. are all pretty silly. Entertaining but not technically better or worse than The Fifth Element (and, actually, probably technically worse) I've heard people try to argue that Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow is a classic while Ebert just called Knowing one of the best sci-fi films ever made.

You might be able to get a Top 20 that most people can agree upon but 20 - 25 will probably be all over the place.

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13. "RE: Awful was too strong a word."
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Tue Aug-04-09 08:19 PM by inpulse

          

>But films like Rollerball, Flash Gordon, They Live!, Robocop,
>etc. are all pretty silly.


c'mon, those are't very good examples. fifth element is much better than those, w/ the exception of robocop.

btw, robocop is an excellent movie, and it is meant to be silly. that's kind of the point of the movie. and yes, it's both a genre classic, and general classic.

edit: and i understand what you mean when you say classics that are really just cult flicks, but let's not kid ourselves... no one's citing those flicks (again, except robocop) as classics. genre classics, maybe, and certainly cult favorites. but you'd have made a better comparison if you had said something like westworld or thx 1138.



Entertaining but not technically
>better or worse than The Fifth Element (and, actually,
>probably technically worse) I've heard people try to argue
>that Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow is a classic


LOL

  

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15. "Once you start talking "genre classic", all types of shit is mentioned"
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Tue Aug-04-09 08:26 PM by SoulHonky

          

My point is this: There's no way Fifth Element is the best sci-fi film ever made. It's not in the top 20. But once you get into something like "genre classics", then people start throwing out all sorts of names and, even though I don't consider it to be a genre classic, it's better than a lot of the films that people would toss out there.

I thought I had Westworld in there but that's a great example. (And I wouldn't call Robocop and all-time classic either).

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18. "RE: Once you start talking "genre classic", all types of shit is mention..."
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>My point is this: There's no way Fifth Element is the best
>sci-fi film ever made.

I never said the best sci-fi film ever made, but *ONE* of the best.

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22. "No."
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I think there are 20 or so classics.

Then you get into the "genre classics" and you could throw Fifth Element into that conversation but even then, it probably loses out.

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27. "Haha @ No"
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As if your opinion is somehow more important than others. I'm not taking a jab at you, just commenting.

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28. "You asked for people's opinions. I gave mine. "
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What? Did you think there was some scientific answer to this or does someone have to write IMO after everything on this board.

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30. "You're right."
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I just fail to see what this movie lacks that a "good" sci-fi movie doesn't.

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32. "It is a "good" sci-fi movie"
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I was entertained. I just don't think it's a "great" sci-fi movie, which would what it would take to be considered one of the best.

But, again, I think when you talk Sci-fi, you get around 20 or so names that most everyone can agree upon and then it's fairly wide open.

You have Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, Blade Runner, Alien, Clockwork Orange, 2001, Metropolis, The Day the Earth Stood Still (original), Terminator, Terminator 2, Planet of the Apes (original), E.T., Back to the Future, Close Encounters, Forbidden Planet, Solaris (original), Aliens, Brazil, Akira, Jurassic Park.

Even in there, I think you can find some that a lot of people would disagree about but most of them are solid. But after that, people are all over the place. How good is The Matrix? Total Recall? The Thing? Robocop? Tron? Star Trek? Dune? Eternal Sunshine...? The Fly? Sleeper? Gattaca?

In the end, I think The Fifth Element is certainly not "great", probably not "very good", and just being "good" doesn't cut it when discussing the very best of a genre.

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33. "I see..."
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I said it is one of the best. Also, I don't consider Star Wars to be that good. The acting/plot development is absolutely horrendous in my opinion. I suppose at the end of the day, it's all about personal taste but I find The Fifth Element to be an excellent film. It has all the makings of a great movie. Shrug

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49. "WOW"
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yuck at all of these:
Blade Runner, Terminator 2, E.T., Jurassic Park.

how are this sci-fi:
Clockwork Orange, Eternal Sunshine

over-rated as hell:
2001, Back to the Future: nostalgia is the dominant factor in these

probabley the best of them all:
matrix

and one of the better ones:
Gattaca?

and yes 5th element is one of the better ones: mila's face, chris tuckers acting, good action, cool characters for the time, descent story line. and i usually think sci-fi is trash

  

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50. "here's how they're science fiction"
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>how are this sci-fi:
>Clockwork Orange, Eternal Sunshine

Eternal Sunshine was about a company that ENTERED YOUR BRAIN AND DELETED MEMORIES- such technology is a long, looooooooooong way off from existence. Hence, "science" fiction.

Clockwork Orange is about a dystopic future where the government uses video conditioning therapy to "cure" the violent impluses of gang members in Britain. While sure, behavioral therapy is used for psychotic individuals, it's not as extreme as depicted in the film.

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36. "For me, a good Sci-Fi flick involves some sort of..."
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exploration or investigation. Show me some things, make me think...etc...don't just have a flick with a bunch of aliens set in space. I need a solid backstory.

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39. "^^^This is why I'm a huge fan of Primer"
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>exploration or investigation. Show me some things, make me
>think...etc...don't just have a flick with a bunch of aliens
>set in space. I need a solid backstory.

  

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41. "Primer was just awesome, I love it..."
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If you haven't seen it already, I strongly urge you to go see Moon.

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46. "Primer is probably my favorite sci-fi flick for that criteria"
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>If you haven't seen it already, I strongly urge you to go see
>Moon.

Just saw Moon on Monday & liked it but not as much as Primer or Sunshine. But I'm interested to see what Duncan Jones does next if he decides to stick with sci-fi. Hopefully he's not one & done as that seems to be the case with Shane Carruth.

  

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40. "But that's how Star Wars was..."
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no real solid back story except for the family stuff... but nothing of compelling interest like in Primer....

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35. "The star of They Live is a pro wrestler"
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If that isn't intentionally silly
I don't know what is.

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2. "No. But it is a fun movie."
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5. "why not? "
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curious as to why you don't think its a classic.

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34. "Because I can name 25-50 better examples of the genre."
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For it to be a "classic," it needs to be one of the best of its genre, period.

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4. "Only if you consider Lost in Space one of em as well"
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7. "I think Lost in Space is okay but not a classic..."
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The Fifth Element had so much more going for it, it's really imaginative, fun, exciting, etc... great story as well...

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10. "What sci-fi films didn't you like?"
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Lost in Space? That movie was terrible.

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11. "That's exactly how I feel about The 5th Element. "
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>The Fifth Element had so much more going for it, it's really
>imaginative, fun, exciting, etc... great story as well...

I felt it almost had too much going on for me to really enjoy it as a whole. That was the 1st movie I can recall Chris Tucker really getting on my nerves in.

  

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8. "I really enjoy the movie but it isn't a classic, at least not yet"
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it could change and become one. It is a fun western Sci-Fi movie with good action, comedy and visuals.

  

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12. "it was fun the way star wars prequals weren't"
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but it was fantasy and fun.

i actually saw it almost every weekend it was in the movies. movies were 3$ and i was really bored, and i loved it.

  

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14. "depends on what one of the best means"
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it's up there as far as one of the best since it came out ('97) - but overall in the history of sci-fi flicks, probably not

it's entertaining as a mug, though

  

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19. "RE: depends on what one of the best means"
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>it's up there as far as one of the best since it came out
>('97) - but overall in the history of sci-fi flicks, probably
>not
>
>it's entertaining as a mug, though

So, since we all agree that it's very entertaining and has a lot of replay value... why can't we consider it one of the best? is it because it has a lot of humor in it and is not overly serious?

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21. "nah, there are just lots of better sci-fi movies"
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*shrug*

that's really all there is to it

  

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23. "Co-sign"
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Just because it's a good film doesn't mean it's a classic or one of the best of all-time.

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25. "yep, and so tek doesn't think i'm just blowing smoke"
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i won't even include old sci-fi (stuff like the day the earth stood still, the thing from another planet, metropolis, etc); i'll just stick with newer flicks that i personally think are better. so very quickly -


blade runner (the best, imo)
empire strikes back
robocop
terminator & terminator 2
alien & aliens
star trek 2, and the new star trek
contact
the thing
12 monkeys
brazil
children of men
serenity
gattaca
2001
solaris
ghost in the shell
matrix
back to the future 1 & 2
jurassic park
dune

then there is the action/sci-fi subgenre which would include stuff like:

mad max & the road warrior
predator
escape from new york

really i could go on and on

  

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26. "ok i hear you..."
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i do consider The Fifth Element a classic though... I mean... just alone for the fact that everyone seems to enjoy it and it has a lot of replay value... sure, it doesn't have a lot of deep character development or an insane plot but its a damn good movie.

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cgonz00cc
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44. "i like Contact but they cut the balls off of the book"
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nm

  

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16. "It really sucks"
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And remember - I paid $8 to see it at the theatre. What an awful movie.

I think it's as bad as Event Horizon.

IMHO!

  

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37. "I turned Event Horizon off after the, "got some blood here" line"
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>And remember - I paid $8 to see it at the theatre. What an
>awful movie.
>
>I think it's as bad as Event Horizon.
>
>IMHO!


  

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17. "it's very entertaining, but i wouldn't call it the best..."
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i love watching it every time it's on and even own the dvd, but it's not the best.

MUULTIPASS

  

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BarTek
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20. "I said, one of the best..."
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wouldn't you agree? i mean... i fail to see why it's not if everyone loves to watch it over and over again.

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There Will Be duD
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24. "Is "The Fifth Element" one of the worst movies ever made?"
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Personally, I think it is, however I rarely hear it brought up
when bloated pieces of shit are discussed.







There, i fixed that for you.

  

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BarTek
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31. "I don't even try to understand you."
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I just read, blink, and move on.

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The Damaja
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47. "i thought it was unbelievably bad. like, Armageddon status"
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although there were a couple seems i liked, but other than that... total ched

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Why do you choose to listen to R&B?

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29. "GREAT MOVIE."
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38. "Have you seen more than two sci-fi movies?"
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The Fifth Element is an acquired taste, but a bad movie nonetheless with many missteps. Chris Tucker is hilarious.

Taking shots in the dark/that's a bad call
Going straight for your head/ gotta saw it off

  

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42. "I have seen them all and The Fifth Element is still one of my faves."
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: )

Chris Tucker was awesome!

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43. "I fell asleep, so the answer would be no."
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It's also a bit pedo-bear.

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45. "RE: I fell asleep, so the answer would be no."
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>It's also a bit pedo-bear.

in what way is it pedo-bear??

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48. "it's not even one of the best sci-fi movies made in 1995"
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