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BarTek
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"The Matrix is pretty much flat out stolen.."


  

          

Even some of the fight sequences are exact. The movie was basically pieced together with scenes/ideas from other films. I'm sure that is obvious to most of you though.

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Jun 22nd 2009
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RE: The Matrix is pretty much flat out stolen..
Jun 22nd 2009
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i think it's pretty safe to say that dark city
Jun 22nd 2009
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I thought this was gonna be about that chic who claims to have
Jun 22nd 2009
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you're talking about sophia stewart
Jun 22nd 2009
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      that's her name
Jun 22nd 2009
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           she won that case didn't she?
Jun 22nd 2009
24
                no, the case was thrown out
Jun 22nd 2009
28
examples?
Jun 22nd 2009
4
Terminator, and Terminator 2...
Jun 22nd 2009
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      When I first saw the Martix, I called it Terminator 10
Jun 30th 2009
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grant morrison would agree, but not how you think:
Jun 22nd 2009
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LOL @ this:
Jun 22nd 2009
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Try comic-book writting God
Jun 22nd 2009
11
These last two graphs are gold:
Jun 22nd 2009
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i take it this is a comic? is it worth seeking out?
Jun 22nd 2009
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Yes! Invisibles is excellent work.
Jun 22nd 2009
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      I'm reading it now, and it is crack.
Jun 22nd 2009
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that was a really good read..
Jun 23rd 2009
34
They were pretty obvious about the influences they used.
Jun 22nd 2009
9
^ what he said ^
Jun 22nd 2009
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I think in some of the interviews they actually pointed out influences.
Jun 22nd 2009
33
They stole a lot of it from Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins.
Jun 22nd 2009
10
haha. looking back it does.
Jun 22nd 2009
15
Man, I ain't seen Remo Williams in a MINUTE!
Jun 22nd 2009
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c'mon, what movie didn't???
Jun 22nd 2009
25
They've gone on record stating that they wanted to make...
Jun 22nd 2009
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That would be amazing...
Jun 23rd 2009
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"Bad artists copy. Great artists steal." -Pablo Picasso
Jun 22nd 2009
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yeah, i reckon i agree with that.
Jun 22nd 2009
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Hey wait... that's MY quote!!!
Jun 22nd 2009
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people in the lesson hate when i say this...lol
Jun 24th 2009
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It's called re-appropriation
Jun 22nd 2009
23
and I robot was the in between terminator and the matrix
Jun 22nd 2009
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technically,
Jun 22nd 2009
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You can't simplify it down to a staement like that
Jun 22nd 2009
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To be fair...
Jun 22nd 2009
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i had an idea one time
Jun 24th 2009
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      RE: i had an idea one time
Jun 24th 2009
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there are only 26 stories to be told...
Jun 24th 2009
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leave to this idiot to say something true w/o sophia stewart
Jun 29th 2009
40
a lot of Cornel West ideas are in there too
Jun 30th 2009
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1. "???"
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2. "RE: The Matrix is pretty much flat out stolen.."
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i can see where Dark City is definitely an influence but what other movies?

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5. "i think it's pretty safe to say that dark city"
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though dealing with similar themes

is certainly NOT an influence on the matrix

considering that they were in production at the same time.

  

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3. "I thought this was gonna be about that chic who claims to have"
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written the script.
Whatever happened to her?


"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

  

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6. "you're talking about sophia stewart"
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http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FSophia_Stewart&ei=95U_SqDcAoui_Aam7cmdAw&usg=AFQjCNHZvWpedCAnTmpN_5S2MWZZgbSarA&sig2=t3oQdQo3wPukYJC_ANOsoQ

she claims that both the matrix and the terminator were stolen from her manuscript, the third eye.

  

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18. "that's her name"
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am I the only one who found her claim a little far-fetched?


"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

  

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24. "she won that case didn't she?"
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28. "no, the case was thrown out"
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she tried to blame the lawyers, I don't know how far that's gotten her though.


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4. "examples?"
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yeah, we're gonna need some examples if ur gonna make that claim

  

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17. "Terminator, and Terminator 2..."
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I am watching these movies again, and there is much that has been lifted from the Terminator movie concept wise (man vs. machine, obviously).. and even in Terminator 2, the first fight between the 2 terminators... resembles the subway fight between Neo and Agent Smith...

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41. "When I first saw the Martix, I called it Terminator 10"
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7. "grant morrison would agree, but not how you think:"
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http://suicidegirls.com/interviews/Grant+Morrison/

DRE:
This may be old news but was the controversy over The Matrix films being like The Invisibles blown out of proportion?
GM:
It's really simple. The truth of that one is that design staff on The Matrix were given Invisibles collections and told to make the movie look like my books. This is a reported fact. The Wachowskis are comic book creators and fans and were fans of my work, so it's hardly surprising. I was even contacted before the first Matrix movie was released and asked if I would contribute a story to the website.

It's not some baffling 'coincidence' that so much of The Matrix is plot by plot, detail by detail, image by image, lifted from Invisibles so there shouldn't be much controversy. The Wachowskis nicked The Invisibles and everyone in the know is well aware of this fact but of course they're unlikely to come out and say it.

It was just too bad they deviated so far from the Invisibles philosophical template in the second and third movies because they blundered helplessly into boring Catholic theology, proving that they hadn't HAD the 'contact' experience that drove The Invisibles, and they wrecked both
'Reloaded' and 'Revolutions' on the rocks of absolute incomprehension. They should have kept on stealing from me and maybe they would have wound up with something to really be proud of - a movie that could change minds and hearts and worlds.

I love the first Matrix movie which I think is a real work of cinematic genius and very timely but I've now heard from several people who worked on The Matrix and they've all confirmed that they were given Invisibles books as reference. That's how it is. I'm not angry about it anymore, although at one time I was because they made millions from what was basically a Xerox of my work and to be honest, I would be happy with just one million so I didn't have to work thirteen hours of every fucking day, including weekends.

In the end, I was glad they got the ideas out but very disappointed that they blew it so badly and distorted all the Gnostic transcendental aspects that made the first film so strong and potent. If they had any sense, they would have befriended me instead of pissing me off. They seem like nice boys.

  

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8. "LOL @ this:"
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>It was just too bad they deviated so far from the Invisibles
>philosophical template in the second and third movies because
>they blundered helplessly into boring Catholic theology,
>proving that they hadn't HAD the 'contact' experience that
>drove The Invisibles, and they wrecked both
>'Reloaded' and 'Revolutions' on the rocks of absolute
>incomprehension. They should have kept on stealing from me and
>maybe they would have wound up with something to really be
>proud of - a movie that could change minds and hearts and
>worlds.

Is this dude an OKP? That was GOOD snark there.

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11. "Try comic-book writting God"
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13. "These last two graphs are gold:"
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>I love the first Matrix movie which I think is a real work of
>cinematic genius and very timely but I've now heard from
>several people who worked on The Matrix and they've all
>confirmed that they were given Invisibles books as reference.
>That's how it is. I'm not angry about it anymore, although at
>one time I was because they made millions from what was
>basically a Xerox of my work and to be honest, I would be
>happy with just one million so I didn't have to work thirteen
>hours of every fucking day, including weekends.
>
>In the end, I was glad they got the ideas out but very
>disappointed that they blew it so badly and distorted all the
>Gnostic transcendental aspects that made the first film so
>strong and potent. If they had any sense, they would have
>befriended me instead of pissing me off. They seem like nice
>boys.

Though I guess one of them isn't considered a "boy" anymore.

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21. "i take it this is a comic? is it worth seeking out?"
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29. "Yes! Invisibles is excellent work."
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Even if you don't like the first tpb, trust me, it does nothing but get better.


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32. "I'm reading it now, and it is crack."
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34. "that was a really good read.. "
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thanks for posting

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9. "They were pretty obvious about the influences they used."
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20. "^ what he said ^ "
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ghost in the shell
john woo hong kong flicks
the book neuromancer

are among the ones i know of specifically... i'm sure they have mentioned more. (i want to say blade runner, too, but i'm not positive so i left that out) they haven't shied from admitting how heavily certain things influenced the movie. i dunno about your claims about T1 & T2. sounds like a stretch.

  

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33. "I think in some of the interviews they actually pointed out influences."
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10. "They stole a lot of it from Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins."
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15. "haha. looking back it does."
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that nigga walked across wet cement yo.


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16. "Man, I ain't seen Remo Williams in a MINUTE!"
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25. "c'mon, what movie didn't???"
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12. "They've gone on record stating that they wanted to make..."
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a live action Ghost in the Shell or whatever it's called

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35. "That would be amazing..."
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I hope that is true...

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14. ""Bad artists copy. Great artists steal." -Pablo Picasso"
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Firm believer that every artists work is the sum of their influences. The Bad Artist are the ones who don't steal very well or don't have diverse enough influences.


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19. "yeah, i reckon i agree with that."
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36. "people in the lesson hate when i say this...lol"
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i tend to phrase it like "Originality is overrated"

  

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23. "It's called re-appropriation"
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It's one of the characteristics of art and culture during post-post modernity.

  

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26. "and I robot was the in between terminator and the matrix"
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¿If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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30. "technically,"
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I, Robot was a substandard adaptation of the CLASSIC Isaac Asimov novel.


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27. "You can't simplify it down to a staement like that"
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They took from so many sources and formed almost a collage of everything they enjoy from philosophy to anime to honk kong action films to the industrial scene, etc. If they took from 1 or 2 sources then that statement would hold more weight but when you take from probably 100 or more places and and piece them together I'd said that's a piece of art. Some ppl don't like that (Especially ppl who don't like Tarantino) but personally speaking I find it extremely interesting when ppl re-interpret the world they see as a film.

  

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31. "To be fair..."
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...just about every major and minor hollywood film follows this same approach - when it comes to "being like" or "sounding like" or "looking like" something else.
Just about every project is put together now with this hodgepodge mentality. "It's part ____________, part ___________, part ___________, with some ___________" and so on.
Ask anybody else in PTP who works in h'wood and they'll agree.


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37. "i had an idea one time"
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that was part (classic 90s tv show*) and part (classic kevin smith movie*) set in a (type of building*); and thats how i described it to people...

*names withheld for proprietary purposes.

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39. "RE: i had an idea one time"
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>that was part (classic 90s tv show*) and part (classic kevin
>smith movie*) set in a (type of building*); and thats how i
>described it to people...
>
>*names withheld for proprietary purposes.
>

And it's been in syndication for four years!
ha, gotta love hollywood.



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38. "there are only 26 stories to be told..."
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40. "leave to this idiot to say something true w/o sophia stewart"
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even being mentioned

i hope you die painfully

  

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tappenzee
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42. "a lot of Cornel West ideas are in there too"
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But he was given credit (and a bit part)

  

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