Even some of the fight sequences are exact. The movie was basically pieced together with scenes/ideas from other films. I'm sure that is obvious to most of you though.
17. "Terminator, and Terminator 2..." In response to Reply # 4
I am watching these movies again, and there is much that has been lifted from the Terminator movie concept wise (man vs. machine, obviously).. and even in Terminator 2, the first fight between the 2 terminators... resembles the subway fight between Neo and Agent Smith...
DRE: This may be old news but was the controversy over The Matrix films being like The Invisibles blown out of proportion? GM: It's really simple. The truth of that one is that design staff on The Matrix were given Invisibles collections and told to make the movie look like my books. This is a reported fact. The Wachowskis are comic book creators and fans and were fans of my work, so it's hardly surprising. I was even contacted before the first Matrix movie was released and asked if I would contribute a story to the website.
It's not some baffling 'coincidence' that so much of The Matrix is plot by plot, detail by detail, image by image, lifted from Invisibles so there shouldn't be much controversy. The Wachowskis nicked The Invisibles and everyone in the know is well aware of this fact but of course they're unlikely to come out and say it.
It was just too bad they deviated so far from the Invisibles philosophical template in the second and third movies because they blundered helplessly into boring Catholic theology, proving that they hadn't HAD the 'contact' experience that drove The Invisibles, and they wrecked both 'Reloaded' and 'Revolutions' on the rocks of absolute incomprehension. They should have kept on stealing from me and maybe they would have wound up with something to really be proud of - a movie that could change minds and hearts and worlds.
I love the first Matrix movie which I think is a real work of cinematic genius and very timely but I've now heard from several people who worked on The Matrix and they've all confirmed that they were given Invisibles books as reference. That's how it is. I'm not angry about it anymore, although at one time I was because they made millions from what was basically a Xerox of my work and to be honest, I would be happy with just one million so I didn't have to work thirteen hours of every fucking day, including weekends.
In the end, I was glad they got the ideas out but very disappointed that they blew it so badly and distorted all the Gnostic transcendental aspects that made the first film so strong and potent. If they had any sense, they would have befriended me instead of pissing me off. They seem like nice boys.
>It was just too bad they deviated so far from the Invisibles >philosophical template in the second and third movies because >they blundered helplessly into boring Catholic theology, >proving that they hadn't HAD the 'contact' experience that >drove The Invisibles, and they wrecked both >'Reloaded' and 'Revolutions' on the rocks of absolute >incomprehension. They should have kept on stealing from me and >maybe they would have wound up with something to really be >proud of - a movie that could change minds and hearts and >worlds.
13. "These last two graphs are gold:" In response to Reply # 7 Mon Jun-22-09 11:03 AM by mrhood75
>I love the first Matrix movie which I think is a real work of >cinematic genius and very timely but I've now heard from >several people who worked on The Matrix and they've all >confirmed that they were given Invisibles books as reference. >That's how it is. I'm not angry about it anymore, although at >one time I was because they made millions from what was >basically a Xerox of my work and to be honest, I would be >happy with just one million so I didn't have to work thirteen >hours of every fucking day, including weekends. > >In the end, I was glad they got the ideas out but very >disappointed that they blew it so badly and distorted all the >Gnostic transcendental aspects that made the first film so >strong and potent. If they had any sense, they would have >befriended me instead of pissing me off. They seem like nice >boys.
Though I guess one of them isn't considered a "boy" anymore.
20. "^ what he said ^ " In response to Reply # 9 Mon Jun-22-09 04:58 PM by inpulse
ghost in the shell john woo hong kong flicks the book neuromancer
are among the ones i know of specifically... i'm sure they have mentioned more. (i want to say blade runner, too, but i'm not positive so i left that out) they haven't shied from admitting how heavily certain things influenced the movie. i dunno about your claims about T1 & T2. sounds like a stretch.
14. ""Bad artists copy. Great artists steal." -Pablo Picasso" In response to Reply # 0
Firm believer that every artists work is the sum of their influences. The Bad Artist are the ones who don't steal very well or don't have diverse enough influences.
27. "You can't simplify it down to a staement like that" In response to Reply # 0
They took from so many sources and formed almost a collage of everything they enjoy from philosophy to anime to honk kong action films to the industrial scene, etc. If they took from 1 or 2 sources then that statement would hold more weight but when you take from probably 100 or more places and and piece them together I'd said that's a piece of art. Some ppl don't like that (Especially ppl who don't like Tarantino) but personally speaking I find it extremely interesting when ppl re-interpret the world they see as a film.
...just about every major and minor hollywood film follows this same approach - when it comes to "being like" or "sounding like" or "looking like" something else. Just about every project is put together now with this hodgepodge mentality. "It's part ____________, part ___________, part ___________, with some ___________" and so on. Ask anybody else in PTP who works in h'wood and they'll agree.
"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams
39. "RE: i had an idea one time" In response to Reply # 37
>that was part (classic 90s tv show*) and part (classic kevin >smith movie*) set in a (type of building*); and thats how i >described it to people... > >*names withheld for proprietary purposes. >
And it's been in syndication for four years! ha, gotta love hollywood.
"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams
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38. "there are only 26 stories to be told..." In response to Reply # 0
but there is nothing wrong with being odd. i mean you arent inkast or adwhizz odd. - VABestBBW Binlahab is a bitch. I wouldn't trust okp, some of them don't even get any anymore since the Re's stopped - Anonymous OKP
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