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"So I decided to watch the whole Star Wars series again.."


  

          

and honestly.. I have to say... the original 3 movies have some of the worst acting/dialogue I have ever seen... Those movies were saved by the story/effects for it's day.. but the acting? No way man.. no way! Horrendous and underwhelming.. and such ridiculous dialogue too...

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echuta
May 20th 2009
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u
May 20th 2009
2
how rude!
May 22nd 2009
7
Han Shot First
May 21st 2009
3
IV-VI will always remain classics... I-III still suck...
May 21st 2009
4
yeah, because Mark Hamill's delivery was Shakspearean...
May 21st 2009
5
I have always said the same thing
May 21st 2009
6
      it *was* worst though.
May 22nd 2009
8
      it was worse, but not enough to justify the backlash.
May 22nd 2009
9
      The love story was so forced
May 22nd 2009
10
           i think secret love could have been fine, but secret marriage?
May 22nd 2009
11
                yes, the gossip would have been strong
May 22nd 2009
12
                     Yoda: "Anakin's robot hand touching a titty, i see."
May 22nd 2009
15
                     LMAO
May 24th 2009
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      It's not about acting. It's about the likability factor.
May 24th 2009
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           Actually I thought Ewan McGregor was likeable in the prequels
May 25th 2009
18
                Yep. he did a good job of being Alec Guiness as a young man.
May 25th 2009
19
                Lucas killed Maul and Qui Jon too early in my opinion. n/m
May 26th 2009
23
                     that goes without saying
May 26th 2009
24
III was the best one in retrospect imo
May 26th 2009
22
ms melody plotholes- ewoks defeat the empire
May 22nd 2009
13
she gets pretty perky in ep dos
May 22nd 2009
14
Anyone else watch them out of order?
May 26th 2009
20
I go with
May 26th 2009
21
I thought about watching it that way but....
May 27th 2009
26
      I'm not sure how 1-2 ruins the surprise
May 28th 2009
27
           RE: I'm not sure how 1-2 ruins the surprise
May 28th 2009
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           RE: I'm not sure how 1-2 ruins the surprise
May 28th 2009
31
                the obi wan/vader fight gives it away though...
May 28th 2009
32
                good point
May 28th 2009
33
                say what?
May 28th 2009
34
                     Jones has definitely got an affected accent
May 29th 2009
36
                     he kinda does as vader.
May 29th 2009
38
           Sith and Empire both end of sour notes though.....
May 28th 2009
35
                and again, it ruins Empire
May 29th 2009
37
RE: Anyone else watch them out of order?
May 26th 2009
25
Bingo!
May 28th 2009
29
I like this sequence alot
May 28th 2009
28
I never was a big star wars fan
May 29th 2009
39
its worth watching at least once...
Jun 04th 2009
46
RE: So I decided to watch the whole Star Wars series again..
May 30th 2009
40
I don't like the Star Wars films these days, but this is a stretch...
May 30th 2009
41
Random Ep IV question...
May 31st 2009
42
My son and I watched everything, including toons and video games
Jun 04th 2009
43
does anyone realize that this movie was made over 30 years ago?
Jun 04th 2009
44
RE: does anyone realize that this movie was made over 30 years ago?
Jun 04th 2009
45
      i beg to differ
Jun 06th 2009
50
So I was watching Episode II the other day and...
Jun 05th 2009
47
I heard they had to innovate and improvise a lot...
Jun 05th 2009
48
the dialogue is campy, but it's at least delivered earnestly.
Jun 05th 2009
49

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1. "echuta"
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BarTek
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2. "u"
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7. "how rude!"
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3. "Han Shot First"
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4. "IV-VI will always remain classics... I-III still suck..."
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OK, III wasn't that bad, but the new trilogy is just bad bad bad.
Hayden Christionson and the little boy are some of the worst actors.

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5. "yeah, because Mark Hamill's delivery was Shakspearean..."
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>Hayden Christionson and the little boy are some of the worst
>actors.


People act like the acting was stellar in the first trilogy...




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6. "I have always said the same thing"
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The acting in in 1-3 was no worst than in 4-6. I think 1-3 was missing a Han Solo type that stole scenes and overshadowed some on the bad acting.


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8. "it *was* worst though."
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>The acting in in 1-3 was no worst than in 4-6.

that doesn't make the acting in 4-6 'good', but in 1-3 it was worst.

>I think 1-3
>was missing a Han Solo type that stole scenes and overshadowed
>some on the bad acting.

yeah that too.


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9. "it was worse, but not enough to justify the backlash."
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>The acting in in 1-3 was no worst than in 4-6. I think 1-3
>was missing a Han Solo type that stole scenes and overshadowed
>some on the bad acting.
>

i think another thing was that the only thing that balanced off the darkness of the prequels was a love story with weak acting from the couple. the originals had darkness but they had some really fun moments to balance it off. and the family/love story between han and leia was stronger.

and outside of jar-jar (only because he was annoying), the cgi was amazing and contributed a lot to the prequels. i don't care if it didn't look like the puppets of the originals.

  

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10. "The love story was so forced"
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I would rather they had one night of passionate love or both got drunk on Colt 45 and had a one night stand instead of watching that love story unfold.


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11. "i think secret love could have been fine, but secret marriage?"
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and btw, how does the jedi council not find out about that? they live together.

  

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12. "yes, the gossip would have been strong "
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"Anakin, did you get married?"

"Wha-wha, how did you know?!?!?!"

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15. "Yoda: "Anakin's robot hand touching a titty, i see.""
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>"Anakin, did you get married?"
>
>"Wha-wha, how did you know?!?!?!"
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>"The force, stupid."
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16. "LMAO"
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>"Anakin, did you get married?"
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17. "It's not about acting. It's about the likability factor."
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Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, and Harrison Ford are about a billion times more likable than Hayden Christensen, Natalie Portman, and Ewan MacGregor in the prequels.

The dialogue (which I believe IS worse in the prequels, btw) doesn't help, but if your "heroes" in a sci-fi/fantasy series aren't at least CHARMING if not LIKABLE, then you are doomed, simple and plain, because the films won't connect to the audience.

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18. "Actually I thought Ewan McGregor was likeable in the prequels"
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He was the only one though. Well Liam Neeson was alright until he got killed off.

I think a big problem was that to emphasis that Anakin was an emotional wreck and a loose cannon, Lucas just made sure that all the other Jedi were wooden and mostly flat characters. Wait, scratch that, every other character except Jar Jar were wooden and flat.

  

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19. "Yep. he did a good job of being Alec Guiness as a young man."
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>He was the only one though.


It's probably difficult playing another person's interpretation of a character. Knowing how his version has to 'lead up to' Alec Guiness' portrayal as an older Obi Wan must've been tough. Let alone playing a person in one of the most beloved films of all time ( especially considering how nitpicky Star Wars fans are). Knowing how it ends up and keeping a bit of yourself in the role is probably difficult.

I'm not sure, but wasn't Ryan Phillipe in talks to play Anakin? I think that would've turned out better...




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23. "Lucas killed Maul and Qui Jon too early in my opinion. n/m"
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24. "that goes without saying"
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22. "III was the best one in retrospect imo"
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13. "ms melody plotholes- ewoks defeat the empire"
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-ewoks defeat the empire

-she 15, he 9. fast fwd. she 17, bul 28.

-ewoks def... u get the idea.

also the prequels lose a collective point for no shots of padme's perky lil star destroyers. leia was bikini'ed out and yoked up 20 yrs ago...cmon lucas!



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14. "she gets pretty perky in ep dos"
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Especially when they take off from Tatooine and R2 turns the AC to the "Hoth" setting.

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20. "Anyone else watch them out of order?"
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Story-wise, I think the newer trilogy is a lot better between Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.

My order: 4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 6

I almost thought that you could switch the position between Empire Strikes Back and Phantom Menace but watching Phantom Menace first would ruin Darth Vader revealing himself as Luke's father.

  

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21. "I go with"
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26. "I thought about watching it that way but...."
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Being that Darth Vader revealing that he is Luke's father is the biggest, most important, and best moment of all six movies, I would have to suggest that no one watch any of the prequels before Episode 5. I can still remember the shock I got from that as a 11-year old boy.
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27. "I'm not sure how 1-2 ruins the surprise"
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Obviously Anakin is on a rough path but 2 doesn't spell out "This kid becomes Darth Vader."

I think the problem with 5 so early is just that with the standout best film out of the way the last 4 will become a slog. Better to tease out 5 until past halfway.

So basically:

NEW HOPE - sets out this whole universe, what the force is, etc. Also the shortest, the funnest, and the simplest plot. Great way to start.

PHANTOM MENACE - Let's just get it out of the way. Some necessary exposition. Hopefully the good feelings engendered from Ep. IV get us through this one.

ATTACK OF THE CLONES - A big temporal jump forward from Ep. I and a significantly better film. Anakin is troubled but nothing indicates he's going to become that badass dude in the suit from Ep. IV. Ends with a really big battle.

EMPIRE - Back to the present. Opens with a pretty big battle. We start to see some parallels between Luke and his dad, though everything clearly came so much easier to the father. Luke really struggles. Meeting old frail Yoda after seeing him going buck wild on Dooku is probably a compelling contrast. And then the big reveal should probably still come as a shock (assuming your kids haven't already learned by pop culture osmosis).

SITH - This should follow Empire directly. Anakin is doomed and that feeling haunts Ep. 3. He's genuinely trying to be good (much more disciplined and relaxed at the beginning of the opening battle, but then he just can't control himself). This movie is huge in scale and Wagnerian compared to the rest of the series. Like 10 different planets; deaths, transformations, and births of many characters; and an entire war coming to a climax. So that 6 almost feels like an epilogue.

JEDI - A strangely structured film. Basically just two distinct missions: rescue Han, blow up Death Star. All the real drama happens in a single scene with Luke, Vader, and Emperor. It's more like the last episode of a TV show than the conclusion of an epic film series, but you have no choice other than to end this way.

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30. "RE: I'm not sure how 1-2 ruins the surprise"
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Anakin is troubled but
>nothing indicates he's going to become that badass dude in the
>suit from Ep. IV.

Anakin slaughters women and children and everyone else in that village after he finds his dying mother.

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31. "RE: I'm not sure how 1-2 ruins the surprise"
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He's got some anger issues, for sure. But why would you expect him to turn into a 7 foot tall half robot with a British accent?

You see no indication that he would turn against Obi Wan, much less become a mindless killing machine for the future Emperor.

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32. "the obi wan/vader fight gives it away though..."
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>You see no indication that he would turn against Obi Wan, much
>less become a mindless killing machine for the future Emperor.

in a new hope you see vader murk his former teacher. when you then watch anakin and obi wan in episode II and see how anakin is having flashes of the dark side, you pretty much can see what will happen.

  

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33. "good point"
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Would be nice of Obi Wan had multiple pupils. I think if we're talking about kids seeing this for the first time most won't really guess. Hell, when I saw that shit I genuinely didn't believe Vader until Yoda confirmed it in the next movie.

The alternative to me is worse.

4 and 5 right off the bat just means you are left with 10 hours of B-grade Star Wars left, ranging from horrible to mediocre to occasionally sorta good.

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34. "say what?"
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>He's got some anger issues, for sure. But why would you
>expect him to turn into a 7 foot tall half robot with a
>British accent?

James Earl Jones does not sound British.

  

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36. "Jones has definitely got an affected accent"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjCyZ2P9bCA

It's kind of that vaguely "American actor doing Shakespeare" sort of accent.

Darth with his mask off is a straight-up Englishman, though:

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38. "he kinda does as vader."
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35. "Sith and Empire both end of sour notes though....."
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That's why they can't really be next to each other. While the best films are definitely New Hope and Empire, you'd need the prequels to play in order because once you've returned to the original trilogy you would want it to reach a conclusion instead of having another flashback.

I think your order is good for the action scenes but not the plot.
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37. "and again, it ruins Empire"
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If just for Yoda. A big build-up in Empire is Luke expecting to find this wise and silent Jedi master...and he finds a weird old lepprechaun looking muppet. You don't even know how great he is until he uses the force to lift Luke's ship out of the lake.

But that's all spoiled if he's introduced already in Eps. 1-2. In those he starts off as the quiet old Elder (with far less personality). And you see him fighting. By the time you get to Empire, he's no big deal anymore.

  

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25. "RE: Anyone else watch them out of order?"
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>Story-wise, I think the newer trilogy is a lot better between
>Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.
>
>My order: 4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 6
>
>I almost thought that you could switch the position between
>Empire Strikes Back and Phantom Menace but watching Phantom
>Menace first would ruin Darth Vader revealing himself as
>Luke's father.

That's a good idea (lthough of course I still think Eps 1-3 are terrible).

But yeah, basically in telling Eps 1-3, Lucas ruins every single surprise in Eps. 4-6--at least, for anyone coming in new to the series.

But Empire ends on a sour note, and Jedi takes place so much later after Empire--it's a good place to pause and throw in the back story.



  

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29. "Bingo!"
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>But yeah, basically in telling Eps 1-3, Lucas ruins every
>single surprise in Eps. 4-6--at least, for anyone coming in
>new to the series.
>
>But Empire ends on a sour note, and Jedi takes place so much
>later after Empire--it's a good place to pause and throw in
>the back story.

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28. "I like this sequence alot"
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39. "I never was a big star wars fan"
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46. "its worth watching at least once..."
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its fairly epic in its movie making history...

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40. "RE: So I decided to watch the whole Star Wars series again.."
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Why? Did you lose a bet?

BTW I don't know why you're tiptoeing around the fact that the entire Star Wars sextology is horrible. Terrible writing. Stupid plots. Bad acting. Especially the X-Wing pilots. It's like they ran into a mall and shouted, "Anyone wanna be in a movie?"

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41. "I don't like the Star Wars films these days, but this is a stretch..."
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>BTW I don't know why you're tiptoeing around the fact that the
>entire Star Wars sextology is horrible. Terrible writing.
>Stupid plots. Bad acting. Especially the X-Wing pilots. It's
>like they ran into a mall and shouted, "Anyone wanna be in a
>movie?"

Come on man all they had to do was sit, deliver like two lines and then blow up in a ship. They didn't even have to scream, half the time Lucas just used the Wilhelm Scream for them.

You don't really need Ian McKellan for that. It shouldn't be a deal breaker...

  

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42. "Random Ep IV question..."
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At what point does Leia mention her childhood friend, Winter? My girl & I can't recall it ever happening, but this trivia book we saw in the store the other day says otherwise.

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43. "My son and I watched everything, including toons and video games"
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all in a marathin over two days, went like this...

E1
E2
Clone Wars Cartoons DVD's
E3
Force Unleashed (watched all cut scenes in a row unlocked after beating game)
E4
E5
E6

Everything held up for the most part, I enjoyed E1, maybe my expectations were low though, I realized nothing can live up to your childhood memories no matter how cheesy it was. Our parents probobly thought E4 was asinine, but we loved it, I applied the same thinkning to these.

  

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44. "does anyone realize that this movie was made over 30 years ago?"
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of course everything about those movies are going to be 'shittier' by today's standards; acting, dialogue, graphics. i bet none of you have ever watched another movie from the 70's ever... everything is new and shiny these days, nobody can look past the fact that these movies were on the cutting edge of brilliance FOR IT'S TIME!

fock!

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45. "RE: does anyone realize that this movie was made over 30 years ago?"
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> nobody can
>look past the fact that these movies were on the cutting edge
>of brilliance FOR IT'S TIME!
>
>fock!

haha no doubt.. but.. the acting... terrible! just terrible! : )

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50. "i beg to differ"
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i thought the acting was nothing to worry about

compared to the horrendous acting attempts of hayden christensen, everyone in that movie deserved an academy award

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47. "So I was watching Episode II the other day and..."
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what bothers me more than the acting is the CG in one particular scene.

When Anakin and Padme are are dining and he uses the force to cut that piece of fruit and sends it to her (via the force) and she takes a bit out of it.

Of all the things cool about the CG in this movie, this scene is the worst.

I mean terrible.

It doesn't even look like a natural piece was missing from the fruit.

It's extremely too clean.

This has always been the one thing about Episode II that I didn't like.

It would seem too easy to make it look more real considering the rest of the film.

But then again, I don't work in CG.

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48. "I heard they had to innovate and improvise a lot..."
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with the CG... for example.. the hovering craft Luke uses to travel his planet, etc... they rubbed the bottom down with Vaseline for some reason.. i don't remember why.. but they said they had to use a ton of it...

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49. "the dialogue is campy, but it's at least delivered earnestly."
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my only mild complaint is that i fall asleep to 'em too much.

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