"Real Time with Bill Maher - Shows suck when there are two republicans" Sat May-16-09 01:17 AM by handle
Ever notice that when two republicans get on the panel they spew the exact same bullshit and Bill doesn't slap them down?
Bill: We TORTUED people Repub 1: NAncy Pelosi knew. Bill: It's TORTURE Repub 2:Nancy Pelosi is the problem.
Bill:Anyone smoke weed Repub 1: Yes, but I don't enjoy it
Bill:What about global warming? Repub: Climate change was championed by Bush. And Pelosi didn't like Bush. So Pelosi didn't believe in climate change. QED.
Thank god for fast forward. I just kept repeating "Nancy Pelosi is the root of all evil" as I fast forwarded through the shit to the David Simon interview and then to New Rules.
2. "and always chastising the audience for clapping a liberals comment" In response to Reply # 0
As if he doesn't want to seem left but center and fair. Please. If your audience is liberals and want to clap a cause, so be it. It isn't like a alrge amount of republicans are going to flock to be his studio (or viewing) audience...ever.
4. "Audience" In response to Reply # 2 Sat May-16-09 11:18 AM by handle
> It isn't like a alrge amount of republicans are >going to flock to be his studio (or viewing) audience...ever.
You know, I've seen the show live about 5 times. There is absolutely nothing stopping conservatives form attending. You call (323-575-4321 (or toll free at 888-515-4321 for callers outside the Los Angeles area)) and ask for tickets, are told where to go, and that's it. No questions about ideology, no liberal oath, nothing.
And Hollywood is probably as representative of Republican values now as is the whole country. There's easily 20%-30% republicans in Los Angeles.
You are cautioned not to *boo* people you disagree with - that's the only direction they give you (oh, and not to yell questions.)
Bill even tried to "stack" the audience with republicans a few years ago and it was still less than 50%.
I say fuck the Republicans if they don't want represent.
Honest question: Do you think Bill fucked Amy Homes at some point? I can't see why else she'd be invited on anymore. She's vapid, and intellectually she's neither honest nor sophisticated. She's like Bobby Jindal with tits. Or Bill Frist with a cock. IMHO.
>> It isn't like a alrge amount of republicans are >>going to flock to be his studio (or viewing) >audience...ever. > >You know, I've seen the show live about 5 times. There is >absolutely nothing stopping conservatives form attending. You >call (323-575-4321 (or toll free at 888-515-4321 for callers >outside the Los Angeles area)) and ask for tickets, are told >where to go, and that's it. No questions about ideology, no >liberal oath, nothing. > >And Hollywood is probably as representative of Republican >values now as is the whole country. There's easily 20%-30% >republicans in Los Angeles. > >You are cautioned not to *boo* people you disagree with - >that's the only direction they give you (oh, and not to yell >questions.) > >Bill even tried to "stack" the audience with republicans a few >years ago and it was still less than 50%. > >I say fuck the Republicans if they don't want represent. > >Honest question: Do you think Bill fucked Amy Homes at some >point? I can't see why else she'd be invited on anymore. She's >vapid, and intellectually she's neither honest nor >sophisticated. She's like Bobby Jindal with tits. Or Bill >Frist with a cock. IMHO.
If he hasn't I know he WANTS to. Hell, he probably fucked Ann Coulter as well even though he isnt into white chicks lol.
30. "lol that figures..they actually make a good couple " In response to Reply # 24
>>If he hasn't I know he WANTS to. Hell, he probably fucked >Ann >>Coulter as well even though he isnt into white chicks lol. > >What I'm not sure of, though, is WHEN this happened.
>Honest question: Do you think Bill fucked Amy Homes at some >point? I can't see why else she'd be invited on anymore. She's >vapid, and intellectually she's neither honest nor >sophisticated. She's like Bobby Jindal with tits. Or Bill >Frist with a cock. IMHO.
maybe, but by that logic he'd be fucking Barney Frank.
Discussing newspapers more could have been interesting but stuff like the Nancy Pelosi issue is just He said, She said so it's impossible for anyone to really discuss it.
I also think it would have been interesting for them to discuss how the media is going all out against Miss California. I mean, who cares? It's the Miss USA pageant and now people are acting disgusted that she didn't lose her crown over topless pics.
7. "Yeah, I wish people just pointed out how poorly worded her answer was." In response to Reply # 6
I mean, she really did give a PC answer (and one similar to every politician in the Presidential campaign) but her wording was laughable.
But even still, I think it's a great example of what is wrong in this country. She is now partnering with the NOM people who made that Gathering Storm ad while the Far Left is going nutty, trying to make Perez Hilton look like a hero. Meanwhile, the non-extremists in this country basically don't have a voice.
8. "Who the fuck are the far left??" In response to Reply # 7
> while the Far Left is going >nutty, trying to make Perez Hilton look like a hero. >Meanwhile, the non-extremists in this country basically don't >have a voice.
Who the fuck is the FAR LEFT? Perez Hilton - he's just some rich fag (I say that with love) - that's not FAR LEFT.
FAR LEFT is "EAT THE RICH" and "PROPERTY IS THEFT."
The *far left* people (read the far right - people how think government *is the problem*, that any regulation of capitalism is socialism or communism, and that women who want an abortion shouldn't have spread their fucking legs in the first place) are referring to are the ones who want UNIVERSAL healthcare, social security, and decriminalization of drugs. That's not the far left.
The "far left" in this country have no voice in the media.
And Perez Hilton expressing his opinion that fake-tits-and-face's view are wrong is not censorship or an infringement or the fancy walker's rights - it's HIS right of free speech.
10. "Depends on definition of Far Left." In response to Reply # 8
I'm not talking about people who are so far left that they are extremists (I guess I'd call them the Radical Left). I think MSNBC is the left's version of Fox News. I can't watch it because it is so biased and takes ridiculous positions based on who said/did it rather than what was actually said or done.
I feel like the debate in America has lost almost all common sense and it's just the people far on either side making wild pronouncements like every person at a Tea Party was a racist or that Obama somehow wants people getting arrested at Notre Dame. It's pathetic and borderline dangerous.
12. "RE: Depends on definition of Far Left." In response to Reply # 10 Sat May-16-09 12:34 PM by handle
>I'm not talking about people who are so far left that they >are extremists (I guess I'd call them the Radical Left). I >think MSNBC is the left's version of Fox News.
If you think they are equivalent then you are not paying attention.
I guess from your perspective the "center" is way over to the right - where the republicans and the religious right moved it to during the 80's and 90's.
The republicans *are* the "radical right" which is just left of David Koresh and Montana Militiamen.
Fox asking questions like "Why do liberals hate the troops" is NOT equivalent to MSBNC saying that Fox is insane. And that universal healthcare is needed. And that Obama should prosecute torture - and that they are disappointed he is not.
I think you think that unless MSNBC parrots the "What did Nancy Pelosi know, when did she no it, why didn't she immediately act?" bullshit that they are "THE FAR LEFT."
The FAR LEFT is not even Dennis Kucinich. He's the *left*. Just the left. Compared to Cheney he's a hippie who only eats mushrooms that grow from his feces is the forest - but that doesn't make him far left.
The *right* (red FAR RIGHT) in this country accept a leader (like Bush) and follow whatever authoritarian bullshit he tells them.
The *left* in this country want Obama to do a lot more and criticize him for not doing more. But these criticisms are not in line with the "Muslim barrack Obama socialized your right to choose to not have healthcare" shit many mistakenly believe are centrist criticism.
Union membership is not a FAR LEFT idea. It's a solidly centrist idea - unless you are a business owner.
Universal healthcare is not a far left idea - it's a centrist idea - unless you own a hospital.
Far left is meaningless in America - because there are so few people who espouse any of the ideas publicly.
And fake-tits-and-smile is the *right* in any sane model of America.
OK, our definitions are different but you are painting MSNBC with a very kind brush. They take some ridiculous views and also back up people simply because they oppose conservatives.
Olbermann is as unwatchable as Glenn Beck. The fact that he goes along with Jeneane Garafalo who labels every single person at a tea party as a racist is ridiculous. Perez Hilton starts his example of how to correctly answer a question by calling Miss Cali a "dumb bitch", something which is far worse than the answer that got her into this mess.
"I think you think that unless MSNBC parrots the "What did Nancy Pelosi know, when did she no it, why didn't she immediately act?" bullshit that they are "THE FAR LEFT.""
Wow. Now you're trying to paint me as ignorant? No need for strawmen.
Cable news in general is pretty unwatchable. While I might agree with people on MSNBC on a lot of things, I can't stand how biased it is. Olberman will make me laugh occasionally (mainly his war vs. Bill O') but he and Maddow's egos are out of control at times.
15. "SEMANTIC it is NOT" In response to Reply # 13
>Olbermann is as unwatchable as Glenn Beck. The fact that he >goes along with Jeneane Garafalo who labels every single >person at a tea party as a racist is ridiculous. Perez Hilton >starts his example of how to correctly answer a question by >calling Miss Cali a "dumb bitch", something which is far worse >than the answer that got her into this mess.
First off - Almost every teabag gathering had racists in in. Racists with big ass signs saying "What'cho talking 'bout Willis'. Jeanine is a comedian and what she said was (meant to be) funny - because it was mainly true. Would it hold up in court? No. But I too believe that 75% of the people at the tea partys were racist.
These are same people *love the military* unless it's someone's service like John Kerry. The same group of people showed up in 2004 at the Republican convention wearing purple band aids to make fun of Kerry being wounded.
These are the same people who can't define "human dignity" with regards to torture - and pointed out (like Duncan hunter) that the gitmo prisoners had a nice menu to choose from - including GLAZED CHICKEN.
That's the *far right* and that's who showed up to the teabagging manufactored events that were largely racist. The Ron Paul teabaggers were less racist, but more paranoid about the Federal Reserve.
And for the record I don't agree with J. garaf. about the protesters - I think they are racist and stupid - except for the smart cynical ones.
By the way i do think they'd be less racist if Alan Keyes became president. He'd be "one of the good ones."
Oh, and Carrie Prejean *is* a stupid bitch. That's a statement of fact.
And Keith Olberman is on the ego/bluster scale is a 5 - Maddow is a 3, and Bill O is 10, Rush is 10, Glenn Beck is 10. So keith would have to really say a lot of stupid shit to Beck - who cires thinking about how wonderful 9/12 was.
>"I think you think that unless MSNBC parrots the "What did >Nancy Pelosi know, when did she no it, why didn't she >immediately act?" bullshit that they are "THE FAR LEFT."" > >Wow. Now you're trying to paint me as ignorant? No need for >strawmen. > Just pointing out you are confusing the idea of "balance" (defined as the liberal says one thing, and then a conservative says the opposite) with "fairness" on a commentary show. And that you use a term like "far left." That's a code word for socialist liberal - which is a code word for SECULAR HUMANIST.
We can take it over to MediaMatters if you want to see how badly Fox skews there NEWS programs, btw.
16. "Copping pleas and propping up strawmen" In response to Reply # 15
>First off - Almost every teabag gathering had racists in in. >Racists with big ass signs saying "What'cho talking 'bout >Willis'. Jeanine is a comedian and what she said was (meant to >be) funny - because it was mainly true. Would it hold up in >court? No. But I too believe that 75% of the people at the tea >partys were racist.
Oh please. She was not trying to be funny at all. She said they were all racists. That's ignorant.
There were racists at the tea parties? Guess what, there are racists at pretty much every political gathering. Left or right.
>Oh, and Carrie Prejean *is* a stupid bitch. That's a statement >of fact.
Wow. So much for being respectful.
>Just pointing out you are confusing the idea of "balance" >(defined as the liberal says one thing, and then a >conservative says the opposite) with "fairness" on a >commentary show. And that you use a term like "far left." >That's a code word for socialist liberal - which is a code >word for SECULAR HUMANIST.
LOL. You MADE UP what I was confusing. Classic strawman.
Your post was a great example of the problem with discourse on cable news. Copping pleas for people you agree with, being disrespectful to those you disagree, and placing up strawmen to argue against in order to avoid admitting that the windbags on MSNBC are pretty much just as bad as those on Fox.
20. "No - you're entitled to your opinion" In response to Reply # 16
I'm saying you are WRONG. It's called freedom of speech, dumbass
You say Keith Olberman is as unwatchable as Glenn Beck. That's your opinion. It's demonstrably WRONG on the facts. No "straw men" (which you don't even know what that means) here, just the facts.
To sum up your complaints: Everything is equally awful with everyone - boo hoo.
And just because almost every teabag protest had people with big ass signs with racist epithets on them the teabags protests were not racist - they just had the same percentage racists as say the inauguration, or the a town hall meeting in liberal San Fransicso.
If you were one of the tea baggers (not just *you, you as anyone reading this protest) who weren't racists then you need to speak up *at* the events and get rid of the racists. Or start a non-racist - tape-teabags-to-your-hat-as-a-protest-of-not-being-represented-when-you-are-but-you-disagree-with-the-representative protest.
If a bunch of dudes showed up to the DNC convention with "Soul Honkey is a stupid ass cracker who's devilish white blood is responsible for union busting" signs we'd kick them the fuck out - on the QUICK.
Also calling a beauty pageant contestant a stupid bitch for using the phrase "opposite marriage" is over the line? You use the term "opposite marriage" and you *are* a *stupid bitch*, end of story.
Now -post a fallacy now that has nothing to do with my post. And be glib about it!
22. "the left is the only reason she's even famous though" In response to Reply # 20
never mind that she shouldn't have been asked that question to begin with
she gave a respectful, albeit ignorant answer, but instead of focusing on her intent, the left dogpiled on her (overplaying their hand like always) like she was some hatemonger... allowing the right to harness her and turn her into a victim of "liberal intolerance". the whole thing is a joke.
I mean, you think Joe the Plumber is as famous as he is, and still in the news just because of McCain and FOX? He's got a story in HuffPo every other day. Maher even interviewed him. He should have dropped off the face of the earth Nov 4th only to appear on celebrity rehab in 2011.
31. "Olberma's format is the opposite" In response to Reply # 26
>Olbermann had her keeping her crown as the #1 story that day. >It wasn't even the Miss USA crown. Who cares about Miss >California?
The most important stories of the day are #5, and the least (usually entertainment) is #1.
Are did you not get that? He is a pundit, but he covers a lot of hard news early in the show.
#5 and #4 are the hard news. #3 is oddball. #2 is hard news/soft news about 50%, #1 is 90% soft news (Idol, gossip, etc) unless he's doing a special commentary.
27. "RE: No - you're entitled to your opinion" In response to Reply # 20
>You say Keith Olberman is as unwatchable as Glenn Beck. That's >your opinion. It's demonstrably WRONG on the facts. No "straw >men" (which you don't even know what that means) here, just >the facts.
Huh? How is Olbermann being as unwatchable as Beck wrong on the facts? What facts do you have that somehow prove he's more watchable. If anything, the facts say the opposite.
And I never said that was the strawman.
You wrote: "I think you think that unless MSNBC parrots the "What did Nancy Pelosi know, when did she no it, why didn't she immediately act?" bullshit that they are "THE FAR LEFT."" That is an obvious strawman because you're making up a position that I never claimed to have and arguing against it.
So there's your other fallacy, contextomy. </glib>
>To sum up your complaints: Everything is equally awful with >everyone - boo hoo.
I think it's deeper than just boo hoo. This is where most people are getting their news and it's from frighteningly biased media outlets. It is a key part of the fall of journalism discussion.
>Also calling a beauty pageant contestant a stupid bitch for >using the phrase "opposite marriage" is over the line? You use >the term "opposite marriage" and you *are* a *stupid bitch*, >end of story.
There's no need to call her a bitch. If you can't see how that's over-the-line then you simply aren't being obective.
17. "Actually, that was the best Maher episode in weeks" In response to Reply # 0
His panel is most interesting when there's a mix of liberals and conservatives, provided there aren't caricatures like Ann Coulter on there that agitate the crowd.
Add in David Simon's overtime segment and the Harvard professor that's in charge of the TARP, and I'd say that was one of the better episodes I've seen lately.
21. "RE: Actually, that was the best Maher episode in weeks" In response to Reply # 17
>His panel is most interesting when there's a mix of liberals >and conservatives, provided there aren't caricatures like Ann >Coulter on there that agitate the crowd. > >Add in David Simon's overtime segment and the Harvard >professor that's in charge of the TARP, and I'd say that was >one of the better episodes I've seen lately.
Amy Holmes *is* a caricature. She's the young-attractive-Republican who parrots everything the old-unattractive Republicans say - but in a wide eye, slow talking, non thinking manner. Jindall with an afro. At least Amy Homes giggled a bunch when women were being made fun of.
I liked the interview segments, and new rules was okay, and the last few shows (esp. the Opie interview) really have sucked. But two unthinking republicans is one too many.
23. "What exactly is your definition of a thinking republican?" In response to Reply # 21
> >I liked the interview segments, and new rules was okay, and >the last few shows (esp. the Opie interview) really have >sucked. But two unthinking republicans is one too many.
You prolly feel there aren't any thinking republicans...which is fine I guess.
Brookhiser is a perfect example of one. Amy holmes, aside from her looks is just about useless. I won't argue that. But brookhiser is the ideal conservative to have on there.
That show has the propensity of being unwatchable when there's 3 liberals on the panel
25. "RE: What exactly is your definition of a thinking republican?" In response to Reply # 23
>You prolly feel there aren't any thinking republicans...which >is fine I guess.
I didn't say that. I just don't hear any intellectual arguments from the republicans on the Bill Maher panel. Andrew Sullivan can do it - but only when he's arguing gay rights. Chrisotpher Hitchens might be able to do it - if he was a republican, not drunk, and not spewing hate on the Clintons.
>Brookhiser is a perfect example of one. Amy holmes, aside from >her looks is just about useless. I won't argue that. But >brookhiser is the ideal conservative to have on there.
The guy who smoked pot who was it had no psychotropic effects on him? Hard to say if he'd be okay because of Amy Holmes parroting of the talking points when he was speaking. At least he could say something and then listen when someone else is responding. That makes him betetr than John Fund for sure.
>That show has the propensity of being unwatchable when there's >3 liberals on the panel
I disagree - it's often funnier.
I think one republican , one democrat, and one celebrity is the best line up they can have.
28. "LOL. So Republicans are fine... when they're liberal." In response to Reply # 25
>I didn't say that. I just don't hear any intellectual >arguments from the republicans on the Bill Maher panel. Andrew >Sullivan can do it - but only when he's arguing gay rights.
That's funny. Sullivan only puts forth intellectual arguments when he's on the left of an issue.
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As for the episodes, Reihan Salam/Sam Donaldson/David Frum ep was one of the better episodes of this season even though Frum annoys the piss out of me. Of course, the interview was wasted on Joe the Plumber.
I wish Fareed Zakaria and Richard Engel were the main panelists for that show. They were very interesting but Barney Frank kept hamming it up.
I think the Britebart guy should come back because it's hard to get a word in edgewise when Michael Eric Dyson starts lecturing. I think Dyson is great but he has to be in single interviews because he just goes off and really just starts lecturing people IMO.
29. "Britebart's a clown" In response to Reply # 28
>>Sullivan can do it - but only when he's arguing gay rights. > >That's funny. Sullivan only puts forth intellectual arguments >when he's on the left of an issue.
lol
>As for the episodes, Reihan Salam/Sam Donaldson/David Frum ep >was one of the better episodes of this season even though Frum >annoys the piss out of me. Of course, the interview was wasted >on Joe the Plumber.
Frum is a smart dude, even tough i disagree with him on most things. David Brooks is another one i'd consider a "thinking republican", though those guys are losing the battle to the Hannity wing. Whenever they remotely criticize their party or slightly praise Obama you hear things like "Frum's not a real conservative". I'd hate to be a moderate republican these days.
>I think the Britebart guy should come back because it's hard >to get a word in edgewise when Michael Eric Dyson starts >lecturing. I think Dyson is great but he has to be in single >interviews because he just goes off and really just starts >lecturing people IMO.
Dyson is a smart dude but he kills me when he starts reciting lyrics.
Britebart is like every libertarian i know. bitter former liberal, and all around prick who wont listen to reason of any kind, and cries conservative victimhood at every turn. his "Potato Day" comment that Stewart clowned him about pretty much sum him up.
33. "I actually thought it was a good episode" In response to Reply # 0
The panel discussion started off a bit slow, but that was due to the questions mainly. I also don't see the point of him bringing the 4th panelist out so late (David Simon was one of the best parts of the show). But you are right, the show works best with one republican, one democrat, one entertainer format.
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