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vee-lover
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"why is it ok to show a woman in full nudity in films but not men?"


  

          

I have always wondered this since I was a kid. I have my reasons why this is so but I've never heard anyone address this issue...not any actors/actresses...not any directors....or anyone in Hollywood for that matter.

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because the naked men are just goofy looking
Apr 26th 2009
1
lol...It was kind of a rhetorical question but you're right
Apr 26th 2009
2
'cause it's gay
Apr 26th 2009
3
and with women I guess it's not?...
Apr 26th 2009
4
      it's was a joke
Apr 29th 2009
42
           lol my bad fam you know sometimes its hard to gage if someone is
Apr 29th 2009
45
                It's cool my sarcasm didn't translate well there.
Apr 29th 2009
47
Because you live in a country founded by puritans
Apr 26th 2009
5
In all honesty, I know you're right
Apr 26th 2009
6
^
Apr 26th 2009
9
And there ya have it.
Apr 27th 2009
31
i've seen 2 penii in 2 big films this year already
Apr 26th 2009
7
that naked man in watchmen was SO damn elegant
Apr 26th 2009
17
men and women are not equal, n/m
Apr 26th 2009
8
Because the female body is a work of art
Apr 26th 2009
10
Because nobody wants to see that shit
Apr 26th 2009
11
RE: Because nobody wants to see that shit
Apr 26th 2009
12
Between the legs vagina shots are just as rare as penises in film
Apr 26th 2009
13
I'd say rarer
Apr 27th 2009
26
two reasons
Apr 26th 2009
14
this might be the best explanation I've heard thus far...great post
Apr 26th 2009
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RE: two reasons
Apr 26th 2009
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      lmao
Apr 27th 2009
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Women full frontal naked are sexy. Men full frontal naked are funny.
Apr 26th 2009
15
definitely
Apr 27th 2009
29
I thought of Walk Hard the second i saw this post.
Apr 27th 2009
32
that's cause it's kevin costner
Apr 27th 2009
34
      cmon.
Apr 28th 2009
37
      no a single titter nor giggle
Apr 29th 2009
49
      In 300, there weren't a bunch of bare penises flopping about.
Apr 28th 2009
38
      not in my movie
Apr 29th 2009
50
      AND it was in imax frank
Apr 29th 2009
52
           So most people find dicks funny except lfresh and her friends.
Apr 29th 2009
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                correction
Apr 30th 2009
56
      oh really? lol
Apr 29th 2009
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           yes really
Apr 29th 2009
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                you said no one laughed during Watchmen
Apr 29th 2009
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                     why do i need to qualify?
Apr 30th 2009
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cause its wrong.
Apr 26th 2009
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^^^^
Apr 26th 2009
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straight men (like my self) are mostly the writers producers and directo...
Apr 26th 2009
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it has absolutely nothing to do with being straight
Apr 26th 2009
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      what about all those straight men that saw FSM and Borat
Apr 26th 2009
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           Hence my reply, which I think (humbly) is the best in the post.
Apr 27th 2009
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           I was generalizing
Apr 27th 2009
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^Didnt see Watchmen^
Apr 26th 2009
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mkayin
Apr 27th 2009
33
Or forgettting sarah marshall
Apr 30th 2009
55
Because the feminine body is a work of art.
Apr 27th 2009
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"It's called the double standard. Don't knock it...
Apr 27th 2009
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is it just me...
Apr 28th 2009
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What movies show vadge other than Basic Instinct?
Apr 29th 2009
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are you kidding? PLENTY
Apr 29th 2009
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say thank you gilbert, say thank you
Apr 29th 2009
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RE: why is it ok to show a woman in full nudity in films but not men?
Apr 29th 2009
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dicks are one of the ugliest things on planet earth
Apr 29th 2009
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welcome to 1988
Apr 29th 2009
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1. "because the naked men are just goofy looking"
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All wagging it around like that.

No really of course the obvious answer is this is still a sexist society and put simply a lot of straight guys just don't want to see dong on the big screen, not for art's sake, not ever.

There are plenty of other countries like that at various levels, but since American movies make so much money...

I really don't see that changing any time soon, not in this country...it's about the same now as it was thirty years ago...

  

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2. "lol...It was kind of a rhetorical question but you're right"
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>No really of course the obvious answer is this is still a
>sexist society and put simply a lot of straight guys just
>don't want to see dong on the big screen, not for art's sake,
>not ever.

that's true but I'm still surprised you don't hear any women's groups claiming sexism or someone in mainstream media address this matter. This has been the norm in most films since I can remember and even today when there is more nudity in movies than ever before you still see women fully nude but not men.

>I really don't see that changing any time soon, not in this
>country...it's about the same now as it was thirty years
>ago...

yeah, I must say, I don't foresee any change either in this regard.

grassrootsphilosopher

  

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3. "'cause it's gay"
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4. "and with women I guess it's not?..."
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see, what this says more than anything is about mens sexual hangups, particularly white men, and the many insecurities about men and sexuality/sex and the human body and especially the female body.

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42. "it's was a joke"
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Don't get all 'I-took-one-course-in Women's-Studies-so-I-know-everything-about-female-opression' on me, sheeeit.

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45. "lol my bad fam you know sometimes its hard to gage if someone is"
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joking or not on the computer....


>Don't get all 'I-took-one-course-in
>Women's-Studies-so-I-know-everything-about-female-opression'
>on me, sheeeit.

grassrootsphilosopher

  

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47. "It's cool my sarcasm didn't translate well there."
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But I agree with you, there is a double standard. Any time a movie has full-frontal nudity it's gross, but any time an actress gets buck nekkid then she wins an Oscar.

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5. "Because you live in a country founded by puritans"
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and as a result have a society with completely fucked up views on sexuality.

So don't try and find logic in it, because there isn't any.

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6. "In all honesty, I know you're right"
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>and as a result have a society with completely fucked up
>views on sexuality.
>
>So don't try and find logic in it, because there isn't any.

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7. "i've seen 2 penii in 2 big films this year already"
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Watchmen
and Observe and Report

but a naked man isn't as elegant as a woman

  

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17. "that naked man in watchmen was SO damn elegant"
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boy oh BOY was he elegant
elegance personified
i'm mad i didn't see it in imax
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8. "men and women are not equal, n/m"
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10. "Because the female body is a work of art"
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and the male body is like a Jeep © Elaine

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11. "Because nobody wants to see that shit"
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Not even women.

  

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12. "RE: Because nobody wants to see that shit"
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>Not even women.

actually I don't think it's so much about not liking it as it is about double standards and sexism.

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13. "Between the legs vagina shots are just as rare as penises in film"
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26. "I'd say rarer"
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I mean although cock is rare I can think of 5 films right off the top of my head (Brown Bunny, Bad Lieutenant, Forgetting Sarah Marshell, The Watchmen, Boogie Nights) no problem and I know I could think of some more. Where as with vag Basic Instinct is the only one for sure, don't remember if Species had vag in it. But breasts are almost the only thing shown most times b/c vag is kinda offensive to a lot of ppl as is cock. Plus in our society we worship the female body much like Greek and Roman society worshiped the male body.

  

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14. "two reasons"
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well there is the idea that when a woman is naked you don't "see" actually genitalia between their legs, and for men you do.

the second reason is that women do not really want to see a "flaccid" penis, it don't do nothing for them really. If films have trouble showing a flaccid penis, they for damn sure won't show an erect one, which women would prefer to see.

  

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16. "this might be the best explanation I've heard thus far...great post"
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>well there is the idea that when a woman is naked you don't
>"see" actually genitalia between their legs, and for men you
>do.
>
>the second reason is that women do not really want to see a
>"flaccid" penis, it don't do nothing for them really. If films
>have trouble showing a flaccid penis, they for damn sure won't
>show an erect one, which women would prefer to see.

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19. "RE: two reasons"
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Do you think that's it?

Yes actually 99% of movies outside of porn will not show the vagina apart from public hairs, but...

Idunno if that's it.

It's not like 'well no one's interested in seeing a penis if it isn't erect, so why bother...'

If not now, then I know there at least used to be laws/rules that you absolutely CAN NOT show an erect penis in films, not in U.S. movies anyway.

Apart from non-porn, and this includes softcore--I can only think of two cases of this: Lie With Me--a Canadian film--and Catherine Breiullet's Anatomy of Hell.

I don't know, I'd imagine that sometimes the censors balk at showing erect nipples too.

I mean I won't suggest that I know exactly what kind of movie nudity turns on the average woman. But I also think most of the people making movies largely don't give a damn.

  

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28. "lmao"
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>Yes actually 99% of movies outside of porn will not show the
>vagina apart from public hairs, but...

he said public...lol

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15. "Women full frontal naked are sexy. Men full frontal naked are funny."
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There's a great story about how Kevin Costner was supposed to have a full frontal scene during a sexy part of For Love Of The Game, and people in the test audiences kept laughing.

You'll see dicks waaaaay more often in comedies (Forgetting Sarah Marshall, Walk Hard, Sideways, etc) for that reason.

11/13: Hot Frosty (on Netflix)
11/23: Three Wiser Men & A Boy (on Hallmark)
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29. "definitely"
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Shit, isn't that basically what Apatow said? He said it's ridiculous that people are offended, and basically, he just finds it funny. Add to that the other stuff (the dick being utilitarian and not all that great to look at, sexism by the people controlling this shit, American attitudes on the depiction of sexuality) and I think you have all the reasons.

But shit, even in something like Any Given Sunday, you know they had that locker room scene with the idea of using that as comic relief.

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32. "I thought of Walk Hard the second i saw this post."
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>There's a great story about how Kevin Costner was supposed to
>have a full frontal scene during a sexy part of For Love Of
>The Game, and people in the test audiences kept laughing.
>
>You'll see dicks waaaaay more often in comedies (Forgetting
>Sarah Marshall, Walk Hard, Sideways, etc) for that reason.


so hilarious, moreso because it's unnecessary.

  

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34. "that's cause it's kevin costner"
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no one would laugh at duane johnson
no on elaughed at 300
and not a titter during watchmen
so yep
i call bullshit
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37. "cmon."
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>and not a titter during watchmen

it got goofy, cause there was a reason, it just wasn't mentioned in the movie.

  

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49. "no a single titter nor giggle"
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>
>>and not a titter during watchmen
>
>it got goofy, cause there was a reason, it just wasn't
>mentioned in the movie.

guffaw
nada
so what is your point?
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38. "In 300, there weren't a bunch of bare penises flopping about."
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In Watchmen, folks WERE laughing.

The only scene in recent memory that had full frontal nudity effectively used in a way that didn't provoke laughter was Eastern Promises... and even then, teenagers were all giggly.

11/13: Hot Frosty (on Netflix)
11/23: Three Wiser Men & A Boy (on Hallmark)
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50. "not in my movie"
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and not in any of the movie my friends saw
as a matter of fact the women LOVED it
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52. "AND it was in imax frank"
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so there!
bigger projection should bring bigger laughter no?
no
ha!
long live male gratuitous nudity
(of equal body type value that is i'm not tryna see mr farley nekkid)
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53. "So most people find dicks funny except lfresh and her friends."
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Their panties get wet and their ears tune out the laughs of everyone else.

I'm learning a lot in this post.

11/13: Hot Frosty (on Netflix)
11/23: Three Wiser Men & A Boy (on Hallmark)
11/27: Christmas Under the Lights (on Hallmark Mysteries)
12/14: The Santa Class (on Hallmark)

  

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56. "correction"
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people find funny dicks funny
kevin costner = funny dick (funny body not the most attractive dude)

duane johnson = not funny dick
blue man from watchmen = not funny dick
the mostly nude bodies of the 300 men...
um...who laughed again?
not i
but i guess most of the world is my friend in this case sir
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43. "oh really? lol"
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>and not a titter during watchmen

ew, his dick is blue! (c) grown woman two rows behind me

Jeff, it's your favorite part (c) fratboys

what the fuck (c) old man in front of me

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51. "yes really"
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got damn (c) me
woah(c)woman behind me
ooh keep showing that (c) woman far back row the titters were at her comment
not at the penis


& asking friends who saw it
not with me
nope
no one laughed
it was the exact opposite
major appreciation for male gratuitous nudity
need more of it in fact
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54. "you said no one laughed during Watchmen"
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but you didn't collectively sit in on every viewing in America, and my experience was the exact opposite.

SOOOOOO

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57. "why do i need to qualify?"
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>but you didn't collectively sit in on every viewing in


sweeping statements are being made up and down this post
i didn't tell you to assume i sat in all theatres
and it is definitely proof you guys didn't as well
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18. "cause its wrong."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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21. "^^^^"
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20. "straight men (like my self) are mostly the writers producers and directo..."
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there you go

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22. "it has absolutely nothing to do with being straight"
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The average straight man can go his whole life without seeing one swinging penis in a movie.

Women? If you want to see no female nudity at all, you have to avoid a great deal of R-rated movies, and that includes several of the Oscar Nominated ones.

Unless of course you're implying that if a woman can easily sit through female full frontal nudity, it's because she's secretly a lesbian...

My point: being a straight man has nothing to do with being repulsed by seeing male genitalia on a big screen. Maybe you'd have a point if you tried to say that they only show tiny dills on screen, and in general that gives men all round a bad rep...

  

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24. "what about all those straight men that saw FSM and Borat"
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>The average straight man can go his whole life without seeing
>one swinging penis in a movie.
>

So much for that right?

Theres 3 that i saw that i CANT UN-SEE!

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25. "Hence my reply, which I think (humbly) is the best in the post."
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11/13: Hot Frosty (on Netflix)
11/23: Three Wiser Men & A Boy (on Hallmark)
11/27: Christmas Under the Lights (on Hallmark Mysteries)
12/14: The Santa Class (on Hallmark)

  

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27. "I was generalizing"
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There are exceptions.

But you probably know at least one guy out there who's never seen a film with male nudity.

If you know a girl that hasn't seen female nudity in some film, it probably means she doesn't watch R movies at all and almost never watches movies made in Europe.

  

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23. "^Didnt see Watchmen^"
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nm

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33. "mkayin"
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and it was fantastic
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55. "Or forgettting sarah marshall"
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30. "Because the feminine body is a work of art."
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*sips latte*

*stunts some more*

*exits post*
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35. ""It's called the double standard. Don't knock it..."
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...we got the long end of the stick on that one." - Hank Hill.

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36. "is it just me..."
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or are both become more and more popular/acceptable?

I mean, just talking about sarah marshal, watchmen, observe and report and the other few that were mentioned, it seems like the trend is changing...

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39. "What movies show vadge other than Basic Instinct?"
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Cuz I can't think of any.


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46. "are you kidding? PLENTY"
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40. "say thank you gilbert, say thank you"
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and stop looking gift horses in the penis

pretend to be cats don't seem to know they limitations
exact replication and false representation

  

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41. "RE: why is it ok to show a woman in full nudity in films but not men?"
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I am new to this site, but this forum caught my eye. I remember this question being asked on a TV show a long time ago and the response was that the male anatomy is considered pornographic because of it's pronounced nature. I hope that makes sense... With women you really don't see much unless she literally opens her legs for the camera to show you all her glory.

Refusing to blend in...

  

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44. "dicks are one of the ugliest things on planet earth"
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shits look like the baby that hatched in Aliens

now, the actual pussy is pretty nasty to behold as well -- ain't nobody want to see a magnified clit on a big-ass movie screen neither

but women's breasts and ass are beautiful

even girls are mesmerized by those two features ("you have great tits! I love your butt in those jeans")

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48. "welcome to 1988"
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