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"LOST 3/25: He's Our You"
Wed Mar-25-09 01:53 PM by ZooTown74

  

          

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I feel like George Harrison....
Mar 25th 2009
1
Jimmy Barrett is still bitter about Draper snaking his wife
Mar 25th 2009
2
Good time to read up on this little beauty
Mar 25th 2009
3
YO!!!!!!!! n/m
Mar 25th 2009
4
Whatever happened happened
Mar 25th 2009
5
he must be but still.
Mar 25th 2009
6
Who performs the surgery, Juliet or Jack?
Mar 25th 2009
7
      Jack?
Mar 26th 2009
9
           ok
Mar 27th 2009
55
if ben is alive, i call bs
Mar 26th 2009
12
      i don't know, I mean, yeah it's Ben.......
Mar 26th 2009
16
      O_o Really?
Mar 26th 2009
22
           my issue isn't so much with the mythology of it
Mar 26th 2009
26
                I took that as a example of his inner struggle
Mar 26th 2009
27
                     so you think he shot him once and was like
Mar 26th 2009
36
                          he also saw Ben getting beat by his dad
Mar 27th 2009
47
LOL, shot the fuck out of the little bastard
Mar 25th 2009
8
when we cam back from the commercial break
Mar 26th 2009
10
kate didn't know that sawyer and juiliet were together
Mar 26th 2009
11
Thoughts/Observations/Questions
Mar 26th 2009
13
You'd hate Damages, then
Mar 26th 2009
18
I love Damages and it always bugs me
Mar 26th 2009
20
      I hear you. I think it's great, especially on Damages, because the
Mar 26th 2009
21
RE: Thoughts/Observations/Questions
Mar 26th 2009
41
ben is probably not dead...
Mar 26th 2009
14
Dope episode
Mar 26th 2009
15
Great ep!
Mar 26th 2009
17
RE: Great ep!
Mar 26th 2009
19
The biggest problem I had with this episode...
Mar 26th 2009
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That is a common way to take LSD
Mar 26th 2009
24
      Interesting
Mar 26th 2009
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           You were expecting torture, huh?
Mar 26th 2009
28
           I was, but what happened makes more sense
Mar 26th 2009
33
           I thought dude would have a hunting knife for a hand.
Mar 26th 2009
29
                I was half expecting a bucket of dirty water, a car battery, and
Mar 26th 2009
30
                     I was half expecting slumdog assassin millionaire
Mar 27th 2009
45
well, i didn't think it would actually happen.
Mar 26th 2009
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...
Mar 26th 2009
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I been waiting for this all day!
Mar 26th 2009
34
I could not agree more w/doc on Kate and Sawyer
Mar 26th 2009
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maybe....
Mar 26th 2009
37
great connection. forgot about that.
Mar 26th 2009
38
Cancer 30 years later in a different spot? I don't think so.
Mar 26th 2009
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lol
Mar 27th 2009
54
Prolly not connected
Mar 26th 2009
40
Wow, this season is almost over.
Mar 26th 2009
42
Not true. Seven episode and only a one week break in April
Mar 26th 2009
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      Star Wars tie ins?
Mar 27th 2009
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      Ah, you're right. My mistake.
Mar 27th 2009
48
Ben's hat -- Great hat, or the greatest hat?
Mar 26th 2009
43
RE: Ben's hat -- Great hat, or the greatest hat?
Mar 27th 2009
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For your own benefit
Mar 27th 2009
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They do.
Mar 27th 2009
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So both Ben and Locke have "died" and had "daddy issues"...
Mar 27th 2009
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i like that, in a roundabout way, sayid avenged locke n/m
Mar 27th 2009
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smh @ kate looking all heartbroken over sawyer in front of jack
Mar 27th 2009
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I'm going to call it:
Mar 27th 2009
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You guys remember you're watching L O S T right?
Mar 27th 2009
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excellent rule.
Mar 27th 2009
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Let me add something
Mar 27th 2009
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      Oh no doubt. Good point.
Mar 28th 2009
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1. "I feel like George Harrison...."
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..."It's all too much"

theories, etc.

  

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2. "Jimmy Barrett is still bitter about Draper snaking his wife"
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3. "Good time to read up on this little beauty"
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4. "YO!!!!!!!! n/m"
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5. "Whatever happened happened"
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So Ben is . . . ALIVE. Maybe?

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6. "he must be but still."
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damn. i wanna see how they write ben surviving this.

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7. "Who performs the surgery, Juliet or Jack?"
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That's probably the only question.

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9. "Jack?"
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thats probably how they blow their cover

  

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55. "ok"
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so they save him from a bullet wound, and the little fucker still offs them all?

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12. "if ben is alive, i call bs"
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They spent the whole episode emphasizing that Sayid was a born-killer, how it was the only thing he was ever good at. So he takes one shot at Ben and runs away? If he wasn't 100% sure that one shot would kill him, wouldn't he have just emptied the clip?

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16. "i don't know, I mean, yeah it's Ben......."
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BUT, he's is still just a Kid, I could see Sayid having a misgivings about shooting a kid, even kid Ben.

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22. "O_o Really?"
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Locke was a parapalegic who can walk, Christian and his daughter are both dead and yet are often seen. Everybody is afraid of a monster that roar's like a lion can appear to be anything and is completely comprised of smoke,

Oh anf everybody is 30 years in the past.

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26. "my issue isn't so much with the mythology of it"
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Its with the logic of having a Sayid-centric episode focused on his killer insticts, only to take a single body shot at the one murder that he defines as his "purpose."

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27. "I took that as a example of his inner struggle"
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Said didn't want to kill Ben, he felt he had to, and at a time when he was struggling to change.

I think you could see by the way he ran off that he was under emotional duress.

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36. "so you think he shot him once and was like"
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aah what the hell, maybe he'll die maybe he won't.

I'm not sure what examples of Sayid's demeanor can be given to back up that sort of thinking.

He believed that killing Ben was his purpose for being on the island. Also, his illustration of Ben to Ilana on the plane did not leave any room for misinterpretation of his feelings for Ben. Not sure why you think he was conflicted about this.

Of course he ran, what else was he going to do?

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47. "he also saw Ben getting beat by his dad"
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We've seen enough humanity to know that Sayid is going to be affected by seeing a kid getting worked over by his dad. To see that and to see why Ben feels so alienated and know that this is all shaping him into the asshole will become can't be easy for Sayid.

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8. "LOL, shot the fuck out of the little bastard"
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10. "when we cam back from the commercial break"
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and Jack, Kate, and Hurley were sitting eating breakfast, what were they talking about........my area was under a Tornado Watch, so they were doing an emergency weather update thingy, with Lost in the corner of the screen.

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11. "kate didn't know that sawyer and juiliet were together"
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13. "Thoughts/Observations/Questions"
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http://blog.melanism.com/2009/03/26/lost-season-five-hes-our-you/

What I Liked:

* There’s no such thing as a bad Sayid episode. It’s one of those things you can just count on.
* Have I ever mentioned how much I love have loved Zuleikha Robinson (since Rome)? So any extra bit of her helps.
* This was the closest thing we’ve had to a traditional Lost episode in awhile (present day - relatively speaking - flashbacks to fill in gaps about circumstance and motivation and a shock ending). It’s been awhile since my phone started ringing at 10:02 PM.
* William Sanderson was Oldham. They really loved Deadwood, I guess. Nothing wrong with that.
* Great shock ending (despite the fact that they provided themselves an out two episodes ago)

What I Didn’t Like:

* Ok. It’s a personal pet peeve but I hate when the name of an episode or a movie comes from a line from said episode or movie. “This Place Is Death” was the worst one.

Lines of the Night:

* “Three years with no burning buses. Y’all are back for one day…” - Sawyer
* “A 12 year old Ben Linus bought me a chicken salad sandwich. How do you think I’m doing?” - Sayid to Sawyer
* “How did you find me?” “I looked.” - Sayid and Ben (How does Michael Emerson take things that seem innocuous and make them seem so creepy and/or menacing? How does this man not have an Emmy?)
* “Can you do me a favor? Can we get the next plane?” - Sayid to Ilana before boarding Aijra Flight 316
* “Because, Sayid, to put it simply: you’re capable of things that most other men aren’t. Every choice you’ve made in your life — whether it was to murder or to torture — it hasn’t really been a choice at all, has it? It’s in your nature. It’s what you are. You’re a killer, Sayid.” - Ben to Sayid

Questions:

* Was the other boy Sayid’s brother? Will we ever see him again?
* Where is Daniel Faraday?
* Why does Oldham live in a tent?
* Who would the DHARMA folks have contacted in Ann Arbor?
* How did Ilana find Sayid?
* Is Ilana really working for the family of Peter Avellino (he’s the guy Sayid killed on the golf course at the beginning of “The Economist”) or is she another unwitting pawn of Ben’s?
* How did young Ben light a bus on fire and send it into DHARMAville by himself?
* Is Daniel Faraday right in his “Whatever happened, happened” assessment of their affect on the 70’s meaning that whatever the castaways do, that’s what was supposed to happen and the future as we know it isn’t affected (including Sayid shooting Ben)?
* If Daniel is wrong, what are the consequences of Sayid’s actions temporally speaking? Does future Ben disappear? Has a new timeline opened up?
* If Daniel is correct, does Ben remember Sayid? Has he known this whole time that Sayid was going to go back in time and shoot him?
* Seriously, what kind of hair product was Sayid using in his assassin days? He should be in shampoo commercials?
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18. "You'd hate Damages, then"
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>What I Didn’t Like:
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> * Ok. It’s a personal pet peeve but I hate when the name
>of an episode or a movie comes from a line from said episode
>or movie. “This Place Is Death” was the worst one.
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20. "I love Damages and it always bugs me"
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21. "I hear you. I think it's great, especially on Damages, because the"
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titles are so off-the-wall that they're funny...
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41. "RE: Thoughts/Observations/Questions"
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> * How did Ilana find Sayid?
> * Is Ilana really working for the family of Peter Avellino
>(he’s the guy Sayid killed on the golf course at the beginning
>of “The Economist”) or is she another unwitting pawn of
>Ben’s?

yeah, ben probably contracted her through a third party, seeing as how they wound up on the same flight. unless it was some type of whidmore move (given the result). i thought at first ben wasn't surprised to see sayid on the plane, but watching the scene again ben looks slightly confused/disturbed.

  

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14. "ben is probably not dead..."
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they will save him... and popular theory is that this incident is how Ben knew that Sayid was a killer and why he used him in the future as an assasin. also may explain why Ben likely killed Sayid's wife in the future... as payback for shootin him as a youngin'

great episode to me. next week's ep is called 'whatever happened, happened' so maybe that will explain some things. maybe Faraday will be back?

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15. "Dope episode"
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I thought the scenes with older Ben and Sayid were well written

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17. "Great ep!"
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I was screaming inside, "Shoot him in the head, Sayid!!!!!!"

Ben survives the same way that Locke survived and that is how he becomes leader of the others.

Jack is gonna do something stupid soon...

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19. "RE: Great ep!"
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>I was screaming inside, "Shoot him in the head, Sayid!!!!!!"
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>Ben survives the same way that Locke survived and that is how
>he becomes leader of the others.

this is the best working theory so far. Explains alot including why Ben originally shot Locke.



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23. "The biggest problem I had with this episode..."
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Was the confession Sayid gave. Some guy who lives in a tent in the woods gave him some sort of truth serum? Especially after he's built up to be a psycho torturer and the only thing he does is make him eat a magic sugar cube. I've been okay with a lot of impossible shit on this show but that just seemed really lazy.

  

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24. "That is a common way to take LSD"
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Which the U.S. military was experimenting with as a truth serum during that time period.

It makes sense.

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25. "Interesting"
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Still a little disappointing after what the guy was built up to be though.

  

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28. "You were expecting torture, huh?"
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They did kinda lead us down that path, didn't they?

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33. "I was, but what happened makes more sense"
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The more I think about it, it drives home what Ben said to Sayid. When Sayid needed information from people, he tortured then, but when the Dharma guy needed information from Sayid, he found a nonviolent way to get it.

  

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29. "I thought dude would have a hunting knife for a hand."
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rusty allegator clips

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45. "I was half expecting slumdog assassin millionaire"
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the way the ep started

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31. "well, i didn't think it would actually happen."
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yeah, he'll probably still be alive.

maybe it's on some sixth sense s***, and i'll end up jizzing in my pants.

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32. "..."
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http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1550612_20245769_20267907,00.html
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34. "I been waiting for this all day!"
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35. "I could not agree more w/doc on Kate and Sawyer"
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God, I hope the writers aren't gonna try to bring us back down into the Kate-Jack-Sawyer BS!

I'm done with it, I want Sawyer to continue to be the guy we've seen for the last 3 years.

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budz4zo
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37. "maybe...."
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what was Ben's surgery for early on in Season 3?

does it have anything to do with a previous gunshot wound?

  

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38. "great connection. forgot about that."
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39. "Cancer 30 years later in a different spot? I don't think so."
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http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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54. "lol"
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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40. "Prolly not connected"
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A brain tumor from a thorasic gunshot wound doesn't sound very likely

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42. "Wow, this season is almost over."
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There are only four episodes left, but the finale counts as two of those. But for whatever reason, after the next two eps, there is a month long break until the finale.

They need to get the ball rolling if next season is the final season.

  

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44. "Not true. Seven episode and only a one week break in April"
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Six if you count the finale as one.

5.11 - Whatever Happened, Happened - Air Date: 1st April 2009
5.12 - Dead is Dead - Air Date: 8th April 2009
5.13 - Some Like it Hoth - Air Date: 15th April 2009
5.14 - The Variable - Air Date: 29th April 2009
5.15 - Follow the Leader - Air Date: 6th May 2009
5.16/5.17 - The Incident - Air Date: 13th May 2009

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46. "Star Wars tie ins?"
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>5.13 - Some Like it Hoth - Air Date: 15th April 2009

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48. "Ah, you're right. My mistake."
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43. "Ben's hat -- Great hat, or the greatest hat?"
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49. "RE: Ben's hat -- Great hat, or the greatest hat?"
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Quite literally a pimp. The greatest hat in television history.

  

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50. "For your own benefit"
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do not read the future episode descriptions. Some have spoilers I am told.


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51. "They do."
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I almost didn't post the titles to the episodes because of the same thing though.

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52. "So both Ben and Locke have "died" and had "daddy issues"..."
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Watching this episode made me think about the connection now drawn between Ben and Locke as "anointed" leaders of the Others.

1. Daddy Issues. They both (like many others on the show) had/have "daddy issues," but John and Ben, specifically, both struggled with rejection from their fathers. They were never able to please their respective fathers no matter what - Ben because his mother died during childbirth and John constantly trying to make his absentee father see him as more than an organ donor. Ironically, when it came time for both of them to officially join the Others, they, seemingly, had to kill their fathers in order for the Others to accept them. Perhaps that's a rite of passage for the Others' chosen leader.

Ben killed his dad, Roger, who was already on the island as part of the Dharma Initiative during "The Purge" followed by the Others convening in the Barracks right afterward. And Locke's father, Anthony Cooper, "conveniently" appeared on the island and was even more "conveniently" killed by Locke (via Sawyer by way of Richard Alpert's intel). Both events seemed to be initiated by Alpert and the Others.

2. Deaths. As of the reveal in this last ep, it appears both Locke and Ben have apparently at one point "died" to be saved and/or resurrected. Perhaps that's another rite of passage for the Others' chosen leader.

We haven't seen what the extent of Ben's 1977 gunshot wound is, but it appeared to be through his chest cavity and enough to make him drop immediately. Whether the island's properties, the Others, or the Dharma medical staff (Jack, Juliet, the other doctor) save him, we already know he lives. Methinks, it will be some combination of the three with the island's properties being the last hurrah adding to the Others' lore - their leader must die and resurrect. Richard did tell young Ben to "be patient" when they first met in the jungle. Perhaps this was preparation for all the rites he'd have to endure.

With Locke, we know that he actually died by strangulation at the hands of Ben and was resurrected once back on the island. Now Richard told Locke he had to die when Locke asked how to bring the Oceanic 6 back. But what if that dialogue was purposely unconnected to throw viewers off? Richard never told Locke about the frozen wheel, Locke figures that's his way off the island on his own. Also, Jack was the only one eventually convinced by Locke('s death) to come back - all the others had other reasons. Perhaps Richard meant, "(At some point) You have to die, John (to become our leader...and if you want to get the Oceanic 6 back, that's up to you)."

3. Charles Widmore. I wonder if we'll find out about Widmore's ascension to leadership in the ranks of the Others. And if what he told Locke is true, that means he's the current leader during the 1977 Dharma period we're seeing now. Did he have "daddy" issues? Did he have to kill his father? Did he have to die and resurrect?

  

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53. "i like that, in a roundabout way, sayid avenged locke n/m"
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56. "smh @ kate looking all heartbroken over sawyer in front of jack"
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bitch doesn't respect shit.

  

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57. "I'm going to call it:"
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They're in a separate dimension. After watching Back To The Future, I am certain that they already created an alternative dimension. I just see how they can explain everything and actually makes sense. You guys remember the LOST video game awhile back? The last scenes are key to what they going for, and it seem like, anything can happen.

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58. "You guys remember you're watching L O S T right?"
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Acting like someone's dead because they got shot at the end of an episode. Whatever happened... happened. *smh*

Rule of thumb... if it ain't a hot chick, chances are, they are not dead.

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59. "excellent rule."
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60. "Let me add something"
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>Rule of thumb... if it ain't a hot chick, chances are, they
>are not dead.

Or a black person. Because they stay dead.

  

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61. "Oh no doubt. Good point."
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