(I almost didn't include 'Boyz' in this until I realized
I'd piss off all the Cali niggas)

'Menace' probably received the most pure critical acclaim,
but that's because white people thought they were watching
a crime story(more on this later).

All are good, but 'Menace 2 Society' had some really, really,
really, shitty acting. Again -- white people didn't notice
it because most don't actually know any black people and have
no basis for comparison.

'Menace' was BEAUTIFULLY shot, and was an enchanting, dark,
great fucking story.

But goddamn Kane couldn't act for shit.

Jada was excellent, though.

But the rest of them?

*thumbs down*

And Larenz? Meh.

Pac as Bishop >>>> Tate as O-Dogg


Pac > Cube >>>>> Tate


Pac and Cube had DEPTH. Tate was basically a cold-blooded
villain. I mean, sure, people are like that but it was still
corny. I knew niggas personally with bodies on them who hugged
and kissed they mama.

Boyz N the Hood's acting >>>>>>>>> Menace 2 Society's acting.

Juice's acting >>>>> Menace 2 Society's acting


The acting in Menace was so bad that i've begun seeing some
of the original criticisms as valid: 'Menace' was lauded by
white America as a crime story(when it really wasn't supposed
to be one) largely because the characters seemed too fucking
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(C)Keith Murray, "Cosmic Slop"

Menace had better plot, was funnier, and had a more powerful ending (even though it was damn near identical to Boyz.)

Boyz had better acting, but like most of J. Singleton's movies, was wild preachy. And however wack Kaine was, O-Dog made up for it. Larenz was way better than Cube to me.

I saw thugs in Marlowe heights maryland coming out of the theater choked up after Menace.

If I had seen Menace first, I prolly would'na even seen Boyz, honestly.

As for Juice, I don't even remember what it was about.

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>I saw thugs in Marlowe heights maryland coming out of the
>theater choked up after Menace.

Don't know what kind of thugs you got in Marlow Heights, but
wasn't no thugs I know choked up after that shit.

But niggas was WEEPING in Boyz N the Hood.

The death was set up way better. Way, way, better.

And LOL @ the endings being the same. The endings
were nothing alike, at all.

As to the preachiness, nigga, 'Menace' was WORSE and
even MORE preachy. Full of bland cliches.

'Boyz' had actual characters, not caricatures.



>If I had seen Menace first, I prolly would'na even seen Boyz,
>honestly.

Your loss.

>As for Juice, I don't even remember what it was about.

Your loss. Pac obliterates everyone in all three
movies with his performance.

Bishop from Juice is one of the most menacing
characters I've ever seen on film.

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "Cosmic Slop"

aka the HIP HOP JASON VORHEES, unstoppable and unavoidable.

The scene when he just suddenly APPEARED and jumped on the elevator was retardedly, horror movie hilarious. Some Nightmare on Elm Street shit to me. I was done. Dude didn't scare me at all, he was just so over the top crazy that I didn't take him seriously. He was more like a thug Michael Myers than an actual person.

O-Dog scared me more.

And ok cool...your thugs are harder than mine.

Oh, and women came off as one-note and bitter in Boyz - another Singleton staple.

Menace was also unquestionably funnier than either of those movies.

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Wow.

I came within a hair of making the O-Dogg = Joker in the
TDK argument in my FIRST post, but didn't because I actually
wasn't trying to be antagonistic.

Damn - I really can see shit coming. I'm good at life.


So yeah, you're actually wrong. Bishop is nothing like
Joker in TDK.

O Dogg = Joker in TDK.

No depth, all shock value. The "brilliance" is purely
contained in the outrageous-ness of the character. The
character is the same at the beginning of the film as
he is in the end, and again, his fame and cult status
is contained in wild shit they do from beginning to end.

Nothing like Bishop in 'Juice'.

Bishop, on the other hand had:

*range*

*depth*

*rhyme and reason*

We SAW the character change.

Even better: We saw the character before he snapped,
but saw the SEEDS for the "evil" character later in
the film.

Tupac was BRILLIANT and Bishop's character was actually
SCARIER because he was MORE BELIEVABLE. We saw how he
crashed.

O-Dogg? We ain't see shit, just like Joker in TDK

dude above seent it - Pac in Juice:

"aka the HIP HOP JASON VORHEES, unstoppable and unavoidable. The scene when he just suddenly APPEARED and jumped on the elevator was retardedly, horror movie hilarious."

^^^ NOPE! Bishop was on that Freddy Kruger, bound by no laws of reason, evil, physics, time or space.


>So yeah, you're actually wrong. Bishop is nothing like
>Joker in TDK.
>
>O Dogg = Joker in TDK.

did O-Dogg appear out of thin air like Scotty beamed him down from the Enterprise? Nope, that was Bishop. O-Dogg was just a wild-ass cold-blooded nigga, he wasn't warping the space-time continuum jaunting through wormholes and shit like your boy Pac.


>Nothing like Bishop in 'Juice'.
>
>Bishop, on the other hand had:
>
>*range*
>
>*depth*
>
>*rhyme and reason*

Bishop had rhyme and reason? the fuck? what rhyme or reason was there for him to cap dude in the bodega? or shooting Khalil over nothing? nigga just went off the deep end, wasn't any rhyme or reason to it.
wasn't too much range or depth to the character either.

>O-Dogg? We ain't see shit, just like Joker in TDK

http://www.kodak.com/US/images/en/corp/kodakHistory/academyAward.jpg


O-Dogg's overrated. It's all about A-Wax.

and Bishop went out like a fucking punk. What a way to go out, out like a sucka © E.Sermon

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I mean, at least you went and youtubed the movie
since your last post, so it appears that you saw
it at some point(which you didn't).

LOL.





And my O-Dogg = Joker comparison holds, and all
other comparisons are doo doo crumbs.


>"aka the HIP HOP JASON VORHEES, unstoppable and unavoidable.
>The scene when he just suddenly APPEARED and jumped on the
>elevator was retardedly, horror movie hilarious."

Or how about O-Dogg shouting every single line. And him
lookin like Da Brat with them Harriet Tubman braids.


>^^^ NOPE! Bishop was on that Freddy Kruger, bound by no laws
>of reason, evil, physics, time or space.

Odd how you use a guy who compares Bishop to Jason Vorhees
to make a point about Freddy Krueger.

*people's eyebrow*

I mean, goddamn.

You just did that one to yourself.


>did O-Dogg appear out of thin air like Scotty beamed him down
>from the Enterprise? Nope, that was Bishop. O-Dogg was just a
>wild-ass cold-blooded nigga, he wasn't warping the space-time
>continuum jaunting through wormholes and shit like your boy
>Pac.

LOL.

So, this all boils down to one scene with Bishop. If you want
to ignore everything else, the de-evolution of his psyche,
his growing megalomania, and his downfall, that's fine. I can
be an idiot too.

Remember who you're talking too here.

LOL.


>Bishop had rhyme and reason? the fuck? what rhyme or reason
>was there for him to cap dude in the bodega? or shooting
>Khalil over nothing? nigga just went off the deep end, wasn't
>any rhyme or reason to it.

Uh. He was disrespected and kicked around his whole fucking
life. It doesn't make me empathize with him. It does make his
anger have rhyme and reason though.


>http://www.kodak.com/US/images/en/corp/kodakHistory/academyAward.jpg

http://saysomethingfunny.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/rest-in-peace.jpg

And Tupac's real life death >>>> Heath Ledger's real life death

Talk about going out like a bitch. Wow. That was Ledger.


>and Bishop went out like a fucking punk. What a way to go out,
>out like a sucka © E.Sermon

LOL.

Further reason why Bishop was a great character. He wasn't
supposed to be "badass." He was a broken kid. Him going out
like a punk was just fine, and was perfectly realistic. He
snapped and was scared and timid on the inside. He wasn't some
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>And my O-Dogg = Joker comparison holds, and all
>other comparisons are doo doo crumbs.

there is no comparison. you conjured that out of thin air just like Bishop at the elevator.


>Or how about O-Dogg shouting every single line. And him
>lookin like Da Brat with them Harriet Tubman braids.

like I said, O-Dogg is overrated. A-Wax was the coldest nigga in that piece.


>Odd how you use a guy who compares Bishop to Jason Vorhees
>to make a point about Freddy Krueger.
>
>*people's eyebrow*
>
>I mean, goddamn.
>
>You just did that one to yourself.

yeah, I forgot to add the part when he said that scene with Bishop was "Some Nightmare on Elm Street shit"... you know you done fucked up, don't you? You know it, don't you?


>So, this all boils down to one scene with Bishop. If you want
>
>to ignore everything else, the de-evolution of his psyche,
>his growing megalomania, and his downfall, that's fine. I can
>be an idiot too.

I didn't realize de-evolution of one's psyche + growing megalomania gives you teleportation powers.


>Uh. He was disrespected and kicked around his whole fucking
>life. It doesn't make me empathize with him. It does make his
>anger have rhyme and reason though.

eh, that's fair.


>>http://www.kodak.com/US/images/en/corp/kodakHistory/academyAward.jpg
>
>http://saysomethingfunny.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/rest-in-peace.jpg

that's fucked up dude. seriously.

>
>And Tupac's real life death >>>> Heath Ledger's real life
>death
>
>Talk about going out like a bitch. Wow. That was Ledger.

dead is dead man. this is some real fucking dumb shit.


>Further reason why Bishop was a great character. He wasn't
>supposed to be "badass." He was a broken kid. Him going out
>like a punk was just fine, and was perfectly realistic. He
>snapped and was scared and timid on the inside. He wasn't
>some
>invincible juggernaut.

nah, once he snapped he was played as some kind of peerless, psycho, fucked-up butcher. there was no turning back after that, so to have him go out like a bitch like that was wack.

the ending sucked, admit it.

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Funny thing about that story is that its a universal
black and latina women story: MAD urban women within a 5
year age range talk about how they HATED Tupac for YEARS
AFTER the film for killing Raheem. I went to see that
with half my class(I forget what grade). ALL THE GIRLS
was ballin' they ass off talking about:

"Why didn't he just kill the fat one" <--foul lil girls

Haha


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>with half my class(I forget what grade). ALL THE GIRLS
>was ballin' they ass off talking about:
>
>"Why didn't he just kill the fat one" <--foul lil girls
>
>Haha

damn, Steel got no respect.

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that was the fucking turning of the tide, man. shit set our movement back years, son. YEARS!

that 1-2 combo was what ushered in the bullshit-ass "chestnut/diggs/fisheye epps" era of the 90's that had lite brothers questioning they self-worth + shit. fuck them doods. i can't even watch juice or new jack w/o being overcome by a profound sense of self-loathing.

*murks out of the post in a white '88 jetta, rocking a howard hewitt/prince/el debarge mixtape*

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>that was the fucking turning of the tide, man. shit set our
>movement back years, son. YEARS!
>
>that 1-2 combo was what ushered in the bullshit-ass
>"chestnut/diggs/fisheye epps" era of the 90's that had lite
>brothers questioning they self-worth + shit. fuck them doods.
>i can't even watch juice or new jack w/o being overcome by a
>profound sense of self-loathing.
>
>*murks out of the post in a white '88 jetta, rocking a howard
>hewitt/prince/el debarge mixtape*

Excellent

>that was the fucking turning of the tide, man. shit set our
>movement back years, son. YEARS!
>
>that 1-2 combo was what ushered in the bullshit-ass
>"chestnut/diggs/fisheye epps" era of the 90's that had lite
>brothers questioning they self-worth + shit. fuck them doods.
>i can't even watch juice or new jack w/o being overcome by a
>profound sense of self-loathing.
>
>*murks out of the post in a white '88 jetta, rocking a howard
>hewitt/prince/el debarge mixtape*

LMFAO @ alla dis shit



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in the Dark Knight threads he was shitting on Ledger's Joker saying he was Freddy Kruger, so I thought it was funny you said the same shit about Bishop to O_E.

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>
>I saw thugs in Marlowe heights maryland coming out of the
>theater choked up after Menace.

I saw Menace at that same theater, LOL!

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Menace appealed to the young nihilist in all of us, but it's not that great a movie... the soundtrack, however, still bangs... and yeah, "but Boyz had all that preachy shit," but it was better acted (yes, it was) and had a better script... as has been stated above, the death in Boyz was FAR more affecting than Caine and company getting shot up at the end of Menace...

And without Pac, Juice would have been garbage, but his performance alone elevates the movie...

And for the record, I believe Boyz had more critical acclaim... in fact, Singleton got Oscar nominations for Original Screenplay AND Best Director that year...
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As weird as that sounds.

I think MENACE is the best film there. But I like movies from a director's perspective first. Writer second. Actor last.

So I would say MENACE > BOYZ > JUICE.

And I say that saying that MENACE is the best directed piece. BOYZ the best written, and like you said, Pac owns shit in JUICE.

So like, I agree with your points about each film, but I disagree when ranking them myself.

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I loved each of them when they came out and I could probably still get caught up in any of the above on a rainy Sunday cable-movie-watchin' day but I wouldn't put any of them on my all-time list at this point.

It's really been too long since I've seen any of them beginning to end to really comment on you're saying Boyz is better, if I recall correctly last time I checked I prefered Menace to both but I haven't really seen any of the three in a few years outside of that clip of Caine beating Patna's ass in that AI bodyguard post yesterday.

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>I loved each of them when they came out and I could probably
>still get caught up in any of the above on a rainy Sunday
>cable-movie-watchin' day but I wouldn't put any of them on my
>all-time list at this point.
>
>It's really been too long since I've seen any of them
>beginning to end to really comment on you're saying Boyz is
>better, if I recall correctly last time I checked I prefered
>Menace to both but I haven't really seen any of the three in a
>few years outside of that clip of Caine beating Patna's ass in
>that AI bodyguard post yesterday.


I watched it not long ago and thoroughly enjoyed
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and Cindy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jada > Nia


>'Menace' probably received the most pure critical acclaim,
>but that's because white people thought they were watching
>a crime story(more on this later).

wat


Boyz recieved the most critical acclaim by far.


>Pac and Cube had DEPTH. Tate was basically a cold-blooded
>villain. I mean, sure, people are like that but it was still
>corny. I knew niggas personally with bodies on them who
>hugged
>and kissed they mama.

Cube had depth. Pac was just acting like a crazy off the wall psycho. I mean Bishop had more depth than O-Dogg, but that's not saying much.


Juice got the best soundtrack though.

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>Cube had depth. Pac was just acting like a crazy off the wall
>psycho. I mean Bishop had more depth than O-Dogg, but that's
>not saying much.

LOL.

There is no way you saw 'Juice' and can say that about
Bishop.

Even if you didn't like Bishop, everyone who saw the movie
must admit that he changed and descended from frustrated
kid to maniacal killer.

I mean, wow.

At least see the movie. Or just admit you ain't see
it. Cmon.



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I liked Bishop. Doughboy had more depth though.

and A-Wax better than both them niggas.

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although I hate them dookie braids Jada had in Menace, god them shits look dumb.

don't really matter either way though cuz Cindy knocks both them bidges out the box.

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But anyway back to furry Kangols, Jamaican wallabies.

Juice passes the test of time (despite the high-top fades...lol)

Boyz seems cheezy and corny now when watching it, especially with Furious Styles' n*gga infomericals every 20 secs with his dialogue. And how was Cuba casted for that sh*t?

Juice's characters seemed more relatable as opposed to Boyz' characters or should is say stick-figures.

Boyz' movie fit just nice and snug in terms of it storyline.

Juice's story didn't.

Boyz' was telling you a heavyhanded message.

Juice was telling you a story about dudes who grew up together and what they encountered.

big difference.

Juice, the better movie.

oh, menace better too.

Boyz was good for its time and place. But hasn't aged well at all.

<--- we've got bush!

Even though I don't entirely agree, you're a damn
good PTP poster

LOL


>Boyz seems cheezy and corny now when watching it, especially
>with Furious Styles' n*gga infomericals every 20 secs with his
>dialogue. And how was Cuba casted for that sh*t?

Cmon. Furious was on some conscious black shit, man.

Niggas be like that in the hood.

>Juice's characters seemed more relatable as opposed to Boyz'
>characters or should is say stick-figures.

Eh. Harsh.




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Plus, it was more in context because he was dude's
DAD.

I dunno. I just know so many cats like Furious Styles
that its par for the course for OE. Nothing seemed
forced at all like that.



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Without the drinking problem, that is.

>I dunno. I just know so many cats like Furious Styles
>that its par for the course for OE. Nothing seemed
>forced at all like that.


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Menace was one of my favorites but acting wise it WAS pretty wack

Roc and Jada were the only +'s in acting

Boyz had a huge acting advantage though being that most of the cast were veterans while Menace was a lot of new faces far as the lead roles went at least more than Boyz

They were alot younger too

I loved both films though

Boyz gets the edge cause the focus wasnt so much on the violence
like menace was

and growing up I think a lot of people missed the messege as a result
but thats a whole nother post

*checks the "I'm white" option*

But I like Menace less and less eah time I see it.

What bugs me most isn't even the performances (which aren't good) but the narration. I don't like narration anyways, but some of the narration dialogue in Menace is AWFUL.

Still would probably give it the nod over Boyz.

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you feel sorry for WHO?!

Sam Jack shot dude at the beginning 8 times with a 6 shot revolver. Can't stress that enough. 8 TIMES WITH A 6 SHOT REVOLVER!!!

>Sam Jack shot dude at the beginning 8 times with a 6 shot
>revolver. Can't stress that enough. 8 TIMES WITH A 6 SHOT
>REVOLVER!!!

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My problem with Juice as a whole has always been that it was TOO SHORT... it went from this fun slice-of-life with these four cats to a psychological thriller within the span of 2 minutes... and as much as I love(d) Cindy Herron, she was badly miscast...
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And the ending kinda sucked.

Otherwise, it worked well enough.

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Or hell - even stayed as good as they were the FIRST time. But I'll watch any of them to this day. I'll agree with you on Caine though - WOW was he bad. I liked Boyz more at first, then I liked Menace more, and then I saw a screening of Menace at school with the Hughes Bros and I was like, "Damn that Caine dude can't act to save his LIFE."

I only saw Juice for the first time like 5 or 6 years ago (I know, it's criminal). It was very good...but the thing that stands out is how much better the acting is than in Boyz and Menace.

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>I done almost had fist fights with Cali niggas
>over this issue, doggie

I was 14 when I first saw it. I had no idea what it was gonna be about so the whole seduction of a gun storyline was like a crazy twist to me. Plus the music was tremendous. Damn, I need to watch this again!



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Gin & Juice in the Hood is better than all 3 of em

I've always felt that BOYZ IN THE HOOD was better than Menace. Boyz in da hood is an American movie classic....what other film in recent memory has given us such an upclose and objective look at black life ranging from a mother with two kids by two different fathers and how she treated each one according to her relationship with the fathers....the hardships that accompany teen parents....single father raising his son. A lot of these issues were always somewhat taboo in the black community and he managed to put them on screen w/o it coming across blaming or pointing fingers at anyone or being too exploitive or making black people victims. It also illustrated that we aren't a homogenous group...there were diverse examples of black people in the film.

I had friends, however, that thought otherwise...and when I tried to delve into their reasons why they would always say because there was "more action or more intense."....(what this really spoke to is our insatiable bloodlust in films nowadays)

It was always so obvious to me that Menace borrowed from several themes from Boyz in da hood e.g. Charles Dutton's character was a spinoff of Fishburn's character Furious Styles (what a dope name)....Kane and Jada's character getting out of Cali and relocating to Atl. similar to Tre and Nia Long's character (Brandy) going to college in Atlanta.

I do agree O_E that Bishop's character portrayal is a study in great character acting and his performance *DOES* trump O-Dogg's performance.

The first time I saw Menace I wondered why we never saw O-Dogg's home life; we never got any real insight into the person. We just saw someone that engaged in wanton killing w/o rhyme or reason. He personified the stereotypical perception that larger society has towards black males in general, that most of us are criminal by nature.

Bishop character provided a lens into why he was the he was from the opening scene where his father is sitting listless staring at the tv, oblivious to everything around him. Without saying a word, you got the sense that there was something missing in his home life and that Bishop was a misfit and that acting out violently made him feel empowered.

*But* I do have to disagree with you about Pac's portrayal being better than Cube's portrayal as dougboy. I think Cube provided the template on how to portray the 1990's thug by humanizing him. His character was more believable and easier to understand why he was the person he was. That movie addressed so many issues that had never been touched prior to this film. Cube's character was the only 3-dimensional character of the three. We got the sense that there was more layers to Cube's character than the other three. His character had it all: emotion, rage, confusion, sympathy, and he wasn't a total idiot either...toward the end after he got revenge for his brother's murder, we even saw him being contemplative about what he had just done.

Doughboy>>>>>>>>Bishop>>>>>>>>>O-Dogg

grassrootsphilosopher

boyz n the hood is our ghetto version of american graffiti. it impacted and influenced the hood flick genre to include the other filmed mentioned above. all the main characters from that movie (to include angela bassett) gain a huge launch off of their acting careers because of this film.

for all of those that claim juice is superior either have some sort of east coast biased or on coke or dust! the movie was sloppy storytelling to the ultimate degree! the acting was half-ass with the exception of 'pac (obviously). there was so many plot holes, opened issues that needed to be closed, underdeveloped character developement (for example, the movie did a horrible job into fully explaining WHY 'pac went from a frustrated teen to physco killer in a blink of an eye) the entire movie was a pure mess. the ONLY savior of this movie was 2pac

menace II society straight bit off boyz n the hood and put a scorsese-type twist to it. that's all they did. the acting was half-ass as well, but the story itself was decent. at least you had a prelude, a start middle and complete ending. the biggest problem with this movie though, aside from them biting off of boyz n the hood, is the over-exaggerations of the hood. it's like the hughs brothers used everything hood stereotype and utilized it for this movie. it makes you not want to take this film seriously.

now back to boyz n the hood. i don't know why people get upset for furious styles being preachy, that was his character, even doughboy joked about it as him being some malcolm/farakkhan type dude, but it was neccessary to make a point that the reason why tre didn't fall into the same pitfalls as his friends was due to him having a father figure in his life. they made that message very clear along with several OTHER messages that still hold true today. it's mind-boggling to see some of y'all say this movie doesn't age well when everything, and i mean EVERYTHING that popped off from that movie happens in every hood in america DAILY. with no exaggeration about it. you have those you thought could make it in the pros get shot and killed for no reason, you have those that struggle to get out the hood the best way they can without falling into the pit, you have those that has no ambitions in life but live and die in the hood. it showed whut life is truely like in the hood, in any hood....you have your block, house parties, you have your friends, you deal with the dangers, you deal with police harrassment, and know many with single mothers and babies having babies....boyz in the hood explored ALL of that...and it still remains relevent to this day! you cannot SAY that about the other films

boyz is overall the better movie, considering all aspects of movie making. (though I will always feel like cuba never really fit the role of tre). Cube was solid, and fishburn put this movie over the top IMO.
btw, i highly recommend watching boyz on network TV with all the edits. the scene where tre goes on his air boxing trade after the cop harasses him is absolutely epic.


juice is probably the most entertaining of the three, and probably has the best performances. khalil was great, especially the scene where he blows smoke in bishop's face. pac killed the bishop role, anyone who disagrees obviously hasn't watched very recently. omar was good enough, better than cuba. I also thought juice exemplified early 90's NY to a tee.

menace is probably the worst of the three. i agree with all your sentiments.



PS: can we get an honorable mention in here for Paid in Full?
Both Wood and Mekhi did their thing, and cam killed the rico part, not to mention all the quotables. oh and lets not forget the Dame Dash cameo LOL!

>PS: can we get an honorable mention in here for Paid in Full?
>Both Wood and Mekhi did their thing, and cam killed the rico
>part, not to mention all the quotables. oh and lets not forget
>the Dame Dash cameo LOL!

It may not rank as an all time great film, particularly amongst the black urban genre, but it was a very good film nonetheless. The acting by the three main characters was very good...and Cam was surprisingly good.

I think one of the reasons why this movie is good because it's based on a true story and true events and that provides you with something to go on, whereas the other aforementioned movies are based on "true to life" stories but they weren't true stories in and of themselves.

grassrootsphilosopher

Tre crying and swinging at the air in anger over at Brandi's house = hand over your face level shit. And she gave him the ass afterwards? Almost as unrealistic and Sam Jack firing eight times with a six-shooter.

Tyrin Turner was ass awful in "Menace" though. Painfully so. There's a reason he's only been in like two movies since that one.

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>Tre crying and swinging at the air in anger over at Brandi's
>house = hand over your face level shit. And she gave him the
>ass afterwards? Almost as unrealistic and Sam Jack firing
>eight times with a six-shooter.

Dog, being undermined and disrespected by cops is one of the
most humiliating things that can happen to a 17 year old kid.

Plus, Tre was a good kid, and the cop that did it threatened
his life with a gun to the face. That's no lightweight shit.

I take it you've never been the victim of police brutality...
...I have...it'll make a weak-minded kid want to jump off a
bridge...real talk

That actually is enough to make a grown man cry, let alone
a 17 year old kid.

I mean, goddamn. Now y'all just being stupid.

remember when dudes rolled up on him and cousin herald? "break yo self!"

then wax and o-dog carry him to the emergency room. "bitch, fuck the forms we need a doctor. he's bleeding to death over there!"

that was the realest depiction of someone getting shot i've ever seen and i don't know any other movie (i'm talking about "white" movies, too) that has come close. so don't say menace had bad acting.

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I haven't seen it in 18 years, and I don't really have the inclination to watch it again. Talk about a movie that was often needlessly nihillistic.

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White people liked it far more than black people.

Don't get me wrong -- it was a touching story, but it
wasn't very good and most black people I know found it
sorta silly. Especially hood niggas like me.

White people exoticized it and made it a masterpiece,
again, mostly because they don't know any black people.

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