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""LOST" Spinoff: was Harrold Perrineau right? *SPOILERS*"


  

          

if you haven't seen this season please exit now. ( I know some folks are still catching up)



*Spoliers and general bad vibes below*



anyway, here's my topic. After last seasons' unceremonious exit for his character, Michael aka "Kevin Johnson", Harrold Perrineau made comments that the writers of the show were inadvertently using that good 'Cism in the handling of Black characters on the show. Now, I'm not one to cry foul unless absolutely neccessary ( and to be honest, I thought he was just upset because of diminished screen time on a hit show), but i'onno ya'll.

He implied that they reinforced negative stereotypes by making him a bad father, and ultimately abandoning his kid. He also alluded to the fact that Walt wound up 'another fatherless Black Child' or something like that...

Also, I hadn't really noticed it until I started reading some of the other posts, but DAYUM...


The Brown don't get to stick around.

Let's examine the evidence:

-Mr. Eko: Dead as he wanna be ( the most Docile character on the show died a HORRIBLE death)
-Michael: assumed to be Dead as he wanna be
-Matthew Abadon: Dead as he wanna be ( in ultra violent fashion, no less)
-Walt: not dead, but basically left out of the cast/plot, after being a central character in S1 and S2

and I'm not sure but, didn't Sgt. Keamy have a Black soldier that bought the farm?

all we have left is Rose.



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More dead Black characters
Feb 26th 2009
1
I forgot about them...
Feb 26th 2009
3
yeah the one that took Walt n/m
Feb 26th 2009
4
i gotta feeling she'll be back....
Feb 26th 2009
9
AND NOAMI WAS THE FINEST CHICK EVER ON THAT ISLAND!!
Feb 26th 2009
16
      ^^^
Feb 27th 2009
29
Walt's mom deserved to die
Feb 26th 2009
6
*RED CARD*
Feb 26th 2009
7
      RE: *RED CARD*
Feb 26th 2009
8
      I gives not a fuck what she died from
Feb 27th 2009
27
           you cats are coldhearted, man...
Feb 27th 2009
28
but yeah, ain't no blacks on the t.v. screen...
Feb 26th 2009
10
RE: &quot;LOST&quot; Spinoff: was Harrold Perrineau right? *SPOILERS*
Feb 26th 2009
2
I said "Docile". I should've said "Peaceful". Bad word choice.
Feb 26th 2009
5
i said at the time that he was right. 'CISM EXISTS, PEOPLE!
Feb 26th 2009
11
Adewale asked to be written off the show
Feb 26th 2009
12
THis is Lost we're talking about...
Feb 26th 2009
13
not the main characters - see: Locke not being dead.
Feb 26th 2009
14
      I agree with you about Walt...
Feb 26th 2009
15
           michael waspretty 1 dimensional but he had his moments
Feb 26th 2009
17
                yep. and that's another thing...
Feb 26th 2009
18
                     even charlie makes cameos as hugo's imaginary friend
Feb 26th 2009
19
                          cosign on Claire.
Feb 26th 2009
20
^^Things you can't post @ the fuselage
Feb 26th 2009
21
what's the fuselage?
Feb 26th 2009
24
Ya'll...are fucking...retarded... I've been saying this SINCE Mr. Eko..
Feb 26th 2009
22
umm. that's what were' talking about here...
Feb 26th 2009
23
haha @ eko being docile.
Feb 27th 2009
25
see post # 5
Feb 27th 2009
26
Yes
Feb 27th 2009
30
mr ecko was *allegedly going to be a regular character
Feb 27th 2009
31
No, it was going to happen. But he hated being there
Feb 27th 2009
32
The killing of Naomi was the most pointless death on the show
Feb 27th 2009
33

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1. "More dead Black characters"
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Walt's mom
Eko's Brother
Bea Klugh
Naomi Dorrit

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3. "I forgot about them..."
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>Walt's mom
>Eko's Brother
>Bea Klugh
>Naomi Dorrit
>


who is Bea Klugh? The Headwrap Black lady from The Others?


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4. "yeah the one that took Walt n/m"
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9. "i gotta feeling she'll be back...."
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16. "AND NOAMI WAS THE FINEST CHICK EVER ON THAT ISLAND!!"
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29. "^^^"
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6. "Walt's mom deserved to die"
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Shaun G.

  

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7. "*RED CARD*"
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wow, son...

she died of Cancer.


She played Michael out, but nobody deserves to die from Cancer, do they?




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8. "RE: *RED CARD*"
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She was shady and I had no sympathy for her.

The fact she was a fictional character on a tv show factors into the hate, but in real life I'm not going to shed a tear for some mass murderer or racist clown who gets cancer.

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27. "I gives not a fuck what she died from"
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She was a str8 up and down bitch with Michael. She deserved all she got.

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28. "you cats are coldhearted, man..."
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10. "but yeah, ain't no blacks on the t.v. screen..."
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2. "RE: &quot;LOST&quot; Spinoff: was Harrold Perrineau right? *SPOILERS*"
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>-Mr. Eko: Dead as he wanna be ( the most Docile character on
>the show died a HORRIBLE death)

I wouldn't call him docile, but if you believe what the producers said he only signed on for a certain number of episodes and he wanted to leave before they had initially planned to off him.

>-Michael: assumed to be Dead as he wanna be

IMO his character was written poorly (the whole killing Libby and Ana Lucia plot was messed up), but again if you believe the producers the writers strike affected his storyline and he would have gone out better than he did. Plus, I read somewhere that he and Sun were supposed to get together but the writers decided to make Jin a good/better person so that storyline got dropped (there was a webisode where they almost kissed at one point).

>-Matthew Abadon: Dead as he wanna be ( in ultra violent
>fashion, no less)

Yeah he went out pretty bad.

>-Walt: not dead, but basically left out of the cast/plot,
>after being a central character in S1 and S2
>

I still say they could have made him older than 10-11 when it started and it might have worked so he could stay on the show.

>and I'm not sure but, didn't Sgt. Keamy have a Black soldier
>that bought the farm?
>

Everybody in that group was a read shirt besides Keamy so I don't really count that.

>all we have left is Rose.
>
My theory is that Rose and Bernard are the "Adam and Eve" in the cave from one of the early seasons.

You forgot the person who IMO was the finest female on the show, the chick who Locke stabbed from the freighter.

Shaun G.

  

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5. "I said "Docile". I should've said "Peaceful". Bad word choice."
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>You forgot the person who IMO was the finest female on the
>show, the chick who Locke stabbed from the freighter.
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Naomi.


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11. "i said at the time that he was right. 'CISM EXISTS, PEOPLE!"
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12. "Adewale asked to be written off the show"
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I think he had a parent pass away and wanted to move back to England? His death advanced the notion that the Monster "judged" people, but his Season 3 appearances were rather gruesome.

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13. "THis is Lost we're talking about..."
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People die, a lot.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Deceased_Characters

  

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14. "not the main characters - see: Locke not being dead."
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season 1 michael & walt were as important if not more than anyone else.

and killing off fine ass naomi and leaving ugly redhead girl is unforgiveable, especially after selling kate as sexy for all these years.

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15. "I agree with you about Walt..."
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If that was the last we see of him, I'll be disappointed. But the only thing I remember Michael ever doing was killing those two women and running around the jungle screaming about Walt.

  

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17. "michael waspretty 1 dimensional but he had his moments"
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building the boat, twice
the locke/michael standoff over walt was a big deal at the time

but I think the real problem is that almost nothing that happened in the first season has ever been explained, or even matters, so everything that went on with his character early on seems diminished looking back.

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18. "yep. and that's another thing..."
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not to mention, his character was one of the first who truly found out about the power of the island ( when Tom explained to Michael that the island wouldn't let him die).

So for him to become so defeated and lame was a cop-out.

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19. "even charlie makes cameos as hugo's imaginary friend"
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and claire was a a boring dumb bitch anyway I'm glad not to see her anymore.

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20. "cosign on Claire."
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> I'm glad not to
>see her anymore.
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21. "^^Things you can't post @ the fuselage"
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But I'm not surprised at all. Post Racial, Obama, change...whatever.

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24. "what's the fuselage?"
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I'm assuming it's a "Lost" message board or whatever?



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22. "Ya'll...are fucking...retarded... I've been saying this SINCE Mr. Eko.."
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appeared in the first damn place. Mr. Eko was a WALKING STEREOTYPE!!!


If ya'll can't see the 'cism in LOST then you're just fucking RETARDED. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.


Plus everyone already knows J.J. Abrams is a racist.

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23. "umm. that's what were' talking about here..."
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>If ya'll can't see the 'cism in LOST then you're just fucking
>RETARDED. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
>

you're preaching to the choir.

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25. "haha @ eko being docile."
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can't say that's the first word that popped into my head when that nigga was chopping ike dubaku + his mans into patty meat, lol.

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26. "see post # 5"
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30. "Yes"
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31. "mr ecko was *allegedly going to be a regular character"
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but the actor had issues with the crew and producers so he was killed off.

he was *allegedly* going to become another locke/destiny devotee, but more in tune with the island....

but yeah i figured walt being written out was more about rhe actor going through puberty and hitting way too many growth sperts between seasons. its only been 10 days and this kid had aged 5 years and grown a foot taller. sorry man.

maybe they should have gotten an older actor that STOPPED growing.
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32. "No, it was going to happen. But he hated being there"
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and had no problem making his feelings be known about it, up to and including acting the ass.
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33. "The killing of Naomi was the most pointless death on the show"
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I was like Damn John, couldn't you have just walked over and turn her phone off?

I was also a bit displeased with one of my favorite characters from the wire being reduced to driving miss daisy in the last episode. They built alot of intrigue around Abanddon to reduce his role and have him killed like that.

Love the show but they have a hard time with Black characters.


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