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"Late Pass - The Wire, Season 5."


          

Oh no.

I kind of felt like they only kept certain characters around because they were fan favorites. And when they just couldn't justify keeping them around anymore, they gave them death scenes with the least glory. In fact the deaths have so little glory that each time part of me was like "Naw he can't be dead..." even though whoever it was just got shot in the head.



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I was hoping that Omar's gay Latino lover would show up all of a sudden to get revenge on Marlow. Or that they would bring back Avon for the last ep. Or something would happen to Chris. In terms of a 'show' that would have all been cool or at least made for a proper ending. But for the reality that the show was trying to bring, I guess not.

Honestly the best part to me was Michael becoming the next Omar.

  

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I thought that was one of the worst parts
Feb 15th 2009
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after watching all the seasons through again
Feb 15th 2009
2
season 5 is the worst
Feb 15th 2009
3
they fucked up by bringing back Omar in S5
Feb 15th 2009
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I read somewhere that they wanted to kill him off in season 1
Feb 17th 2009
32
the fact they made the deaths lack so much "glory" was DOPE
Feb 15th 2009
5
from a story-telling standpoint, I'm not sure what Omar's return added
Feb 15th 2009
6
      well yeah
Feb 15th 2009
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      unlike other storylines, it seemed less thought out
Feb 16th 2009
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           Bodie
Feb 16th 2009
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                I thought Bodie served a geniune purpose in S4
Feb 16th 2009
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      in what way could omar's story end that WOULDN'T be considered cliche?
Feb 16th 2009
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           tons of ways.
Feb 16th 2009
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                you named more cliches....
Feb 16th 2009
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                     lol, simply getting killed is not a cliche.
Feb 16th 2009
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                          c'mon doggie, we all knew he was gonna die, you pissy bout the "how"
Feb 16th 2009
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                               I love how a point of contention becomes some personal problem
Feb 16th 2009
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                                    what personal problem??
Feb 17th 2009
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                                         nah, you got it backwards.
Feb 17th 2009
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I liked it.
Feb 16th 2009
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4, 2, 1, 3, 5
Feb 16th 2009
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4, 1, 3, 5, 2
Feb 16th 2009
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      7, 9, 1, 5, 8
Feb 16th 2009
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2, 3, 4, 1, 5
Feb 16th 2009
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9, 0, 2, 1, 0
Feb 16th 2009
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4, 3, 2, 1, 5
Feb 16th 2009
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4, 9, 3, 11
Feb 16th 2009
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4, 3, 1, 2, 5
Feb 16th 2009
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8, 6, 7, 5, 3, 0, 9
Feb 16th 2009
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seriously...it wasn't funny the first three times
Feb 16th 2009
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      semit eerht tsrif eht ynnuf t'nsaw ti...ylsuoires
Feb 17th 2009
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cosign.
Feb 17th 2009
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4,2,3,1,5
Feb 17th 2009
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4, 3, 2, 1, 5
Feb 17th 2009
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Really the only problems I had with Season 5
Feb 17th 2009
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It was a bit far-fetched, although not necesarrily impossible to believe
Feb 17th 2009
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I don't think too many cops would go that extra mile,
Feb 17th 2009
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that whole subplot made me dislike McNulty, actually...
Feb 17th 2009
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looking back on it, they really botched it
Feb 17th 2009
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it's not like they would've let McNulty head up a terrorism case
Feb 17th 2009
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      yep. and it would've been MUCH harder to fake.
Feb 18th 2009
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i dunno. the whole premise of season 5 was
Feb 17th 2009
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I liked that part
Feb 17th 2009
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      I think the underlying them was "Bureaucracy sucks"...
Feb 18th 2009
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Wait - niggas missed the point, I guess.
Mar 03rd 2009
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and to add insult, they were telling Omar stories when he got there
Mar 03rd 2009
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1. "I thought that was one of the worst parts"
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>Honestly the best part to me was Michael becoming the next
>Omar.

  

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2. "after watching all the seasons through again"
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I've decided I really don't like season 5 (relative to the others).

That said, the 9th ep is up there for the best Wire episode overall.


I think it really suffered being only 10 eps long, and there were too many strands to tie up by the end of it (I mean, opening up a whole new institution to focus on? too much)

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3. "season 5 is the worst"
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but still good

  

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4. "they fucked up by bringing back Omar in S5"
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I was down with him getting murked in prison during S4 or fading into Bolivian

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32. "I read somewhere that they wanted to kill him off in season 1"
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but he became such a fan favorite that they kept him on ...

I agree though...he should have gotten got at the end of season 4...

the whole coming back to get vengeance for Butchie was contrived...not to mention cheesy

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5. "the fact they made the deaths lack so much "glory" was DOPE"
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...it was pretty realistic...

the problem wit s5 was it was the final season, and that meant the "wrap it up b" music never stopped playin and there was already SO much going on previously, to intro new characters made for overkill in some places...i liked parts of the journalism angle, but it would have been better in smaller dises cause in the end, nobody really gave fuck about that story in the midst of so much more interesting stuff...

...i had no trouble wit how folks ended up, and folks complainin bout O comin back are forgettin that Marlo was a dude that never let a grudge go...he had to get at duke somehow and after killin butchie we all know O wasn't lettin shit go either...

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6. "from a story-telling standpoint, I'm not sure what Omar's return added"
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to S5 other than him re-hashing everything he did in S1-S4. And the whole "legend slayed by the smallest child" ending for him was WAY too cliched.

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7. "well yeah"
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I know why they did it.

First Omar was a favorite. They had to bring him back.

Second cause they wanted to get across the idea that no one gets away. Just like Marlo couldn't get it out of his mindset, Omar had it all but he just couldn't break free of that life.

Having said that, I don't think it really worked. As with Bodie, it just made me think that something big was going to happen with the characters. But...nope, they just die.

  

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8. "unlike other storylines, it seemed less thought out"
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>Second cause they wanted to get across the idea that no one
>gets away. Just like Marlo couldn't get it out of his mindset,
>Omar had it all but he just couldn't break free of that life.

and the jail-time or right thereafter would have been a perfect opportunity to make that point. but they sent him off to the islands (which was probably going to be the way he "retired", because there would be no reason to have done that if they were going to bring him back in S5 from the start).

S5 was the only time I really felt they had tacked on the Omar stuff and were really searching for a way to make things work.

>Having said that, I don't think it really worked. As with
>Bodie, it just made me think that something big was going to
>happen with the characters. But...nope, they just die.

Actually, I disagree with this point. Bodie's death was pretty perfect, and while I thought the symbolism behind Omar's killing was hokey, him getting gunned down anonymously in the street makes sense.

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16. "Bodie"
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Him getting gunned down after trying in vain to 'keep his corner' was fitting...I guess I just thought that he was around for one season too long.

They keep him around for most of the season, mostly just for that one ep.

  

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21. "I thought Bodie served a geniune purpose in S4"
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he showed what Michael can expect to become down the line, being as Bodie was around that same age in S1. Bodie did right by the street ("never came up short on a count, never snitched...") and still ended up being swallowed by the drug game.

plus, while Avon/Stringer/Wee-Bey showed what happened to the top of drug empires when they fall, Bodie and Poot were more everyman examples of the guys left behind.

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12. "in what way could omar's story end that WOULDN'T be considered cliche?"
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..seriously?

..bringing omar back like that made perfect sense to me, cause while he wasn't needed, we all knew Marlo wasn't gonna let the antics in S4 go...

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20. "tons of ways."
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him getting killed in jail or out on the streets wouldn't be a storytelling "cliche" -- but the way they had a boy kill him has been done countless times before (City of God, for example)

and I still don't buy that the plan was always for Omar to come back after S4. sending him to Costa Rica or whatever was pointless in that case. Marlo's retribution seemed more like an *excuse* to write Omar back into S5 rather than a necessity.

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24. "you named more cliches...."
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...and he did get kilt in the streets, just not the way you wanted...just cause you seen it happen in a movie or two doesn't make it less realistic...he got caught slippin...or does it upset you more that it went down so simply?

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25. "lol, simply getting killed is not a cliche."
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Omar was a fantasy character, so they tried to paint some sort of poignancy to his death by making it irregular -- ie the most dangerous man in Baltimore, the one who stole from drug lords in broad daylight for a decade, being finally gunned down by none other than a child.

that whole "mythical legend beaten by the unlikeliest of foes" is a STANDARD cliche in story-telling. seriously, David Simon pulled that one straight from Lord of the Rings.

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26. "c'mon doggie, we all knew he was gonna die, you pissy bout the "how""
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all i'm sayin is no matter the "how", someone could pop up and say "that was cliche", so you should prolly let that sore point go....but, agree to disagree...

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27. "I love how a point of contention becomes some personal problem"
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anyway

The Wire is great because it was operating on a much higher level than centuries-old fairy tales. unfortunately, Omar's ending was a third-and-goal interception by Joe Montana in the playoffs.

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28. "what personal problem??"
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if you disagree with something, you in action are in fact speaking a point of contention...which is an individual or personal, thing...but it's late, and you seem like you wanna argue...sooo...you right.(congrats)

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29. "nah, you got it backwards."
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I was hoping to get some more elaboration on what Omar's purpose in S5 was...but instead I got mostly invented affects and pointless sarcasm.

that's the problem with speaking negative on any part of The Wire tho. understood.

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9. "I liked it."
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But in order of Seasons:
2,4,1,3,5

From Great to Good.

I had no problem of how they wrapped and intertwined the stories and characters. I guess because I wasn't getting high expectations. I just wanted a good entertaining finale, which I got. The last 10 minutes when started playing the theme song and showing how each character is doing give it justice. I love how the kids were actually a retelling of the past from Omar to Bubbles, which is why Michael is the next Omar and Dukie is the next Bubbles, it's a never ending circle of lost hope. I wasn't disappointed at all.

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10. "4, 2, 1, 3, 5"
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but those middle three could easily change places for me

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11. "4, 1, 3, 5, 2"
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That is how it is

  

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13. "7, 9, 1, 5, 8"
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14. " 2, 3, 4, 1, 5"
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this more how i figure it, and the ONLY reason 2 beats 3 for me is cause 2 is the season i started with

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18. "9, 0, 2, 1, 0"
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15. "4, 3, 2, 1, 5"
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4 and 3 are interchangeable

  

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17. "4, 9, 3, 11"
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19. "4, 3, 1, 2, 5"
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22. "8, 6, 7, 5, 3, 0, 9"
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23. "seriously...it wasn't funny the first three times"
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now it's annoying

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42. "semit eerht tsrif eht ynnuf t'nsaw ti...ylsuoires"
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gniyonna s'ti won


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30. "cosign."
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33. "4,2,3,1,5"
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3 and 1 are both kinda interchangable as far as rankings go and very close to 2. 4 Is solidly in the top spot. 5, while better than 99% of any other TV I'll ever watch, is clearly the weakest link.

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35. "4, 3, 2, 1, 5"
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Although S2 gives me new appreciation every time I watch it. If I watch it again I might put it over S3. I have the feeling that I'll gain more respect for 5 as time goes on.

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31. "Really the only problems I had with Season 5"
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Was all the fake serial killer stuff

That whole scenario was kind of farfetched... And had one too many convenient coincidences to have the plot fall into place. It wasn't bad per se, it just felt like the kind of thing that might happen on some other tv show. Not The Wire.

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34. "It was a bit far-fetched, although not necesarrily impossible to believe"
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Simon pointed out that we had a president take a country to war based on evidence that wasn't any more solid than McNulty's killer.

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in *hopes* that it'd get them more funding.


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36. "that whole subplot made me dislike McNulty, actually..."
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even through all the other despicable shit he'd done throughout the series, I liked him.


But when he kidnapped the homeless guy and took him down to DC, it made me realize what an asshole he was.

He made it right at the end, but I never felt the same about him...



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38. "looking back on it, they really botched it"
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If they wanted a crime to "capture the city", they shoulda went the terrorist route. Much more believable than the red ribbon killer.

  

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39. "it's not like they would've let McNulty head up a terrorism case"
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it would've just caused federal intervention.

  

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43. "yep. and it would've been MUCH harder to fake."
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it's not like he could go around planting bombs and whatnot..


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40. "i dunno. the whole premise of season 5 was"
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the bigger the lie, the more they'll believe. whether it was the kids with the copier/lie-detector, mcnulty with his serial killer, templeton with his fake news, omar coming back and being super-omar, season 5 was all about embellishment. i think it was purposefully over the top in a lot of ways, which i think is what some people had a problem with, because the previous 4 seasons were all so "real".

but you look at the iraq war, that lady who drowned her kids and said a black car-jacker stole her car, the jayson blairs, all the fucking wall street investment banks trading on bullshit mortgage-backed-securities and the ponzi schemes and investment banker suicides and the guy who ditched his airplane in the swamp and had a motorcycle stashed, etc, etc. it doesn't take much for a lie to gain a life of it's own, and even when it's so big as to be unbelievable, you STILL have so few people willing to question its veracity. whoa. tuesday afternoon rant over.

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41. "I liked that part"
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The only things I didn't really like about season 5 was:

-What they did with Omar
-How they dove into the journalism subplot all of a sudden at the end of the show, and expect you to care

The serial killer thing just showed how desperate the 'good guys' were becoming, a total 180 from the hope for change that season 4 showed.

  

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44. "I think the underlying them was "Bureaucracy sucks"..."
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the whole Red Ribbon Killer shit started because the dept was underfunded.

the shit Templeton did was allowed to fester because it was selling newspapers.


Bottom line, all the foul shit that went on behind the scenes went down because a lot of money was tied into it.


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45. "Wait - niggas missed the point, I guess."
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>I kind of felt like they only kept certain characters around
>because they were fan favorites. And when they just couldn't
>justify keeping them around anymore, they gave them death
>scenes with the least glory.

Uh. That actually made it much hotter, because that death
actually ADDED to his mystique -- no one in any drug camp could
ever lay claim to killing Omar, hence all the street tales about
him being surrounded by AK-47s. No one got the satisfaction of
killing him, which is why Chris wasn't even happy when Omar
was killed. Not to mention Omar destroyed Marlow's street cred
to the point where people on his old corners don't even know
who he is after he got out(at the end of episode 10).

>In fact the deaths have so little
>glory that each time part of me was like "Naw he can't be
>dead..." even though whoever it was just got shot in the
>head.

Who else are you referring to?

>I was hoping that Omar's gay Latino lover would show up all of
>a sudden to get revenge on Marlow.

Why? The Latino nigga is chillin back home. He don't know
happened to Omar or why. He wasn't even into murkin cats like
Omar was. Lots of people get killed. Not everyone seeks revenge
like Omar does.

> Or that they would bring
>back Avon for the last ep.

Avon doing serious time. And he's already gotten out once.

>Or something would happen to Chris.

Something other than taking the 22 bodies off of the books
on Carcetti's watch and propelling him to the statehouse?

Not to mention Chris's doing time freed Marlow.

>In terms of a 'show' that would have all been cool or at least
>made for a proper ending. But for the reality that the show
>was trying to bring, I guess not.

The way it ended was perfectly appropriate.

>Honestly the best part to me was Michael becoming the next
>Omar.

It wasn't just that:

Michael is the next Omar

Dukie is the next Bubbles(dealt a bad hand, headed
for a hard life despite being a smart, good guy).

Carver is the next Daniels(Carver ends a Lieutenant, same
way as Daniels was, and Daniels is the one who gives him
the promotion at his last function as commissioner. Also,
Carver is principled and has integrity because he was raised
by Colvin. Daniels, of course, has integrity to a fault, just
like Colvin)






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46. "and to add insult, they were telling Omar stories when he got there"
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>to the point where people on his old corners don't even know
>who he is after he got out(at the end of episode 10).

not sure that was his corner. seemed like he just went at the first corner he saw just to do it... then again i guess every corner was marlo's at a point.

>Dukie is the next Bubbles(dealt a bad hand, headed
>for a hard life despite being a smart, good guy).
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>Carver is the next Daniels(Carver ends a Lieutenant, same
>way as Daniels was, and Daniels is the one who gives him
>the promotion at his last function as commissioner. Also,
>Carver is principled and has integrity because he was raised
>by Colvin. Daniels, of course, has integrity to a fault, just
>like Colvin)

also, Sydnor is the next McNulty.

  

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