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"Lost: 01/28/09"


  

          

You know you'll be watching, speak on it.

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In before the hate!
Jan 28th 2009
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a glowing review:
Jan 28th 2009
2
Well, my expectations have been raised
Jan 28th 2009
3
SPOILER ALERT: It still blows dick
Jan 28th 2009
5
You used to frustrate me, now you amuse me
Jan 28th 2009
6
whats the blondie theory?
Jan 28th 2009
10
      i'm guessing
Jan 28th 2009
12
           ah sheet, i meant to post up here what i swiped down there
Jan 28th 2009
13
           yeah that's what I think too
Jan 30th 2009
67
it will be watched
Jan 28th 2009
4
wtf... was that walt?
Jan 28th 2009
7
yep. I saw that too.
Jan 28th 2009
15
THAT'S why that kid's face was bothering me!
Jan 29th 2009
35
Wait what??? where was that i missed it!
Jan 29th 2009
41
      It was a Tysons commercial...
Jan 29th 2009
46
           is this the importance of walt previously alluded?
Jan 29th 2009
48
Batmanuel
Jan 28th 2009
8
RE: Batmanuel
Jan 28th 2009
9
RE: Lost: 01/28/09
Jan 28th 2009
11
see? all this kinda shit is why I HATE Time Travel in movies...
Jan 28th 2009
14
this may sound dumb but
Jan 28th 2009
16
The enhanced version of Ep. 2 calls Mrs. Hawking "Eloise Hawking"
Jan 29th 2009
23
buried bomb --------> hatch? n/m
Jan 28th 2009
17
Are H bombs magnetic?
Jan 28th 2009
18
nice connection
Jan 28th 2009
19
i think the bomb...
Jan 29th 2009
32
Wasnt locke tied up to that same tower
Jan 29th 2009
40
that was a dope episode
Jan 29th 2009
20
you fuckin lost-tards need to give it up
Jan 29th 2009
21
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2188/2315965184_481c3c195d.jpg?v=0
Jan 29th 2009
28
      ah shit
Jan 29th 2009
59
This was a solid episode and I'll tell you why
Jan 29th 2009
22
Good episode!
Jan 29th 2009
24
Miles and Marvin
Jan 29th 2009
25
hmmmmm... interesting.
Jan 29th 2009
26
you def might be on to something with this....
Jan 29th 2009
27
Possibly raised as his son
Jan 29th 2009
42
Daniel and Mrs. Hawking
Jan 29th 2009
29
Thoughts/Observations/Questions
Jan 29th 2009
30
you keep a notepad by you while you watch?
Jan 29th 2009
33
LOL @ the last question
Jan 29th 2009
34
Good questions
Jan 29th 2009
39
again...Time Travel is some bullshit...
Jan 29th 2009
43
      RE: again...Time Travel is some bullshit...
Jan 29th 2009
64
RE: Thoughts/Observations/Questions
Jan 29th 2009
44
lemme geek out for a minute while I wait for the orange line:
Jan 29th 2009
45
      Lt Daniels?
Jan 29th 2009
52
           Yeah.. He's been moonlighting on Fringe
Jan 29th 2009
54
           I mean who is he? I don't remember.
Jan 29th 2009
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           matthew abbaddon
Jan 29th 2009
56
My thoughts...
Jan 29th 2009
31
I too wondered if Charlie is actually charles widmore but...
Jan 29th 2009
36
Good Stuff. Miles...
Jan 29th 2009
37
Ah, right I forgot about that...
Jan 29th 2009
38
it;'s apparent that sun is behind this
Jan 29th 2009
49
      i'm betting on ben, why do you think it's sun? n/m
Jan 29th 2009
57
      i figured this was ben's doing
Jan 29th 2009
62
...
Jan 29th 2009
47
Theory on why Charlotte is experience Sickness
Jan 29th 2009
50
this makes a lot of sense...
Jan 29th 2009
51
i don't remember miles saying she was born there
Jan 29th 2009
65
Jughead and the Hatch
Jan 29th 2009
53
RE: Jughead and the Hatch
Jan 29th 2009
58
So was that Eloise Hawking talking to Ben about going back to
Jan 29th 2009
60
Jan 29th 2009
61
We now know the reason why Richard went back to see young Locke.RE: Expo...
Jan 29th 2009
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      We now know the reason why Richard went back to see young Locke.RE: Expo...
Jan 30th 2009
68
They're trying hard to make Daniel Farady that guy, huh?
Jan 30th 2009
66
i find duke more tolerable than Jack or Kate
Jan 31st 2009
69
Episode 7 will run 1 hour and 4 minutes
Jan 31st 2009
70
Alotta shows have been doin this for awhile
Jan 31st 2009
72
RE: Lost: 01/28/09
Jan 31st 2009
71
it was good. but i need more Sun and
Jan 31st 2009
73
they way the producers talk about it, i'm pretty sure jin's alive n/m
Jan 31st 2009
74
daniel dae kim's name's been in the credits every episode
Jan 31st 2009
75
      thats true but all the dead characters resurface
Jan 31st 2009
77
i'd like them to do some of the same
Jan 31st 2009
76
fuck Sun and her exaggerated "T"s
Jan 31st 2009
78

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1. "In before the hate!"
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2. "a glowing review:"
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http://www.televisionaryblog.com/2009/01/taunting-jughead-advance-look-at.html

I wasn't going to post anything about the third episode of Lost's fifth season, but after watching it on Friday in a packed room filled with television journalists at the Television Critics Association Winter Press Tour, I figured I at least had to allude to it.

After all, it's not everyday that you get to watch a brand-new episode of Lost on the big screen, much less one as completely overflowing with neck-snapping plot twists as this one.

Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse asked us to respectfully not reveal spoilers about this episode of Lost, entitled "Jughead," especially as the season doesn't kick off until Wednesday evening. So while I won't be spelling anything out for you Lost junkies out there, I will be teasing some details about the shape of things to come.

Let's discuss what you can expect to find in "Jughead."

As much as I thoroughly enjoyed the first two episodes of this season, "Jughead," the third episode completely wiped the floor with me. I was alternately stunned, teary, shocked, and dismayed over the course of the forty-odd minutes that this episode ran. To say that this is a game-changing episode is a bit of an understatement, though not in the way that the flash-forwards or the rescue were. It's more the fact that this single installment answers so many of the underlying mini-mysteries that have kept us wondering for quite a while.

And none of them are spelled out for the audience, either. It's really only after viewing the episode that you'll begin to pull together the puzzle pieces splayed out here to assemble a view on the how's and why's. These mysteries are smaller but crucial elements to understanding some of the characters' motivations and go a long way to seeing where they are right now... and why.

Specifically, the episode deals not with the Oceanic Six (don't expect to see Jack, Kate, Ben, or the others for the duration) but with the characters left behind on the island and the power couple of Penny and Desmond, who makes some interesting discoveries on a life-and-death mission he's been tasked with performing. And we gain a surprising (and poignant) realization about a life-altering event in Desmond's own past.

What else can I hint at about this installment?

* Whatever Jughead may be (I'm not telling), it's absolutely terrifying in its significance and could point at a major plot point yet to come on the series.
* You should pay especially close attention to headaches and nosebleeds.
* Some rather familiar faces turn up but in some unfamiliar contexts.
* Fumigation isn't always really about fumigation.
* Benefactors are an interesting lot.
* Names can be both poignant and reverent.
* Ipsa scientia potestas est.
* A compass is the key to understanding.

And, oh, I have a theory that I am just itching to explain to you all but can't until "Jughead" airs next week but suffice it say that it's eating me up inside not to be able to spill my theory, which deals with a new character on the series whom we'll call Blondie for now, though her name is given in the episode. As for what that theory is, you'll have to come back next week but I'm 99 percent certain that I've figured it out.

Ultimately, "Jughead" will answer some long-standing questions while--in true Lost fashion--pose a host of new ones but it's also an episode that testifies to the fact that Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse won't be pacing themselves to a crawl to the finale but actually sprinting at full blast. Trust me, you do not want to miss this episode.

  

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3. "Well, my expectations have been raised"
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5. "SPOILER ALERT: It still blows dick"
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6. "You used to frustrate me, now you amuse me"
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The way you just love to hate the antagonist in a good story.

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10. "whats the blondie theory?"
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12. "i'm guessing"
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The blonde Other (Elsie?) = the woman Ben met with at the end of last week/told Desmond he can't propose to Penny and has to push the button and = Faraday's mother.

  

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13. "ah sheet, i meant to post up here what i swiped down there"
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my bad yo.

  

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67. "yeah that's what I think too"
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4. "it will be watched"
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7. "wtf... was that walt?"
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eatin Tyson Wings...lol

old as shit!

  

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15. "yep. I saw that too."
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35. "THAT'S why that kid's face was bothering me!"
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I glanced at it but didn't think anything of it initially.

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41. "Wait what??? where was that i missed it!"
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www.howobamagotelected.com

  

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46. "It was a Tysons commercial..."
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...for some "any-tizers". A bunch of teenagers were ransacking the kitchen looking for something to eat. Walt was sitting at the table, I think.

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48. "is this the importance of walt previously alluded?"
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is this walt's great task???

  

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8. "Batmanuel"
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Still awesome.

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9. "RE: Batmanuel"
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I had a feeling that's why Whidmore and Ben are battling for the island




Sometimes I think I'd be better off dead. No not me, you

  

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worms
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11. "RE: Lost: 01/28/09"
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theres a lot more before he goes theory fishing

http://www.televisionaryblog.com/2009/01/golden-compass-theories-revelations-and.html

JACE'S THEORY TIME!

I've thought for a while now that Faraday's mother was Ms. Hawking since I saw "The Lie" in December. Given that Widmore tells Desmond that she's in LA, it's now all but confirmed that she is his mother. But that's not the interesting bit that has me practically foaming at the mouth.

In the 1950s, Faraday encounters a young blonde woman named Ellie on the island, who is headstrong, good with a gun, and clearly a rising star in the Others' camp. Staring at her, he's instantly reminded of someone he knows; when Ellie questions whether it was a woman other than Charlotte (whom he's just declared his love for), Faraday smirks. The woman she reminds him of his none other than his mother: Ms. Hawking.

But there's more. Ellie and 1950s Charles Widmore are about the same age. In the present day, they're still about the same age. Widmore knew Ellie on the island; he knows Ms. Hawking in the outside world in the present. They're not just mere acquaintances, either; Widmore knows Hawking so well that her location is right within his reach: in his address book in a box on his desk.

We never learn Ellie's last name and we still don't know Ms. Hawking's first name. Both are of British extraction and have similar coloring and facial features.

Therefore, I rest my case: Ellie and Ms. Hawking are one and the same.

Which might not seem like a major revelation but it does raise some interesting questions about just what happened all of those years ago between Richard Alpert and Widmore's faction. And it makes me wonder just how close Hawking and Widmore really are. Is Widmore just Faraday's benefactor? Or is there a closer relationship there? Something like father and son? Hmmm...

It also explains why Hawking had to interfere with Desmond proposing to Penny because she needed to course-correct the time stream in order to ensure that he would eventually end up on the island... and then come looking for her in LA.

  

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14. "see? all this kinda shit is why I HATE Time Travel in movies..."
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>
>Which might not seem like a major revelation but it does raise
>some interesting questions about just what happened all of
>those years ago between Richard Alpert and Widmore's faction.
>And it makes me wonder just how close Hawking and Widmore
>really are. Is Widmore just Faraday's benefactor? Or is there
>a closer relationship there? Something like father and son?
>Hmmm...
>
>It also explains why Hawking had to interfere with Desmond
>proposing to Penny because she needed to course-correct the
>time stream in order to ensure that he would eventually end up
>on the island... and then come looking for her in LA.


too much "this has to happen in order to keep THAT from happening, or else something ELSE won't happen" shit for me.

I liked it better when they took turns entering the code in the computer, lol...


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16. "this may sound dumb but"
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I am not looking at it as time travel, to me its just a way to let the story really unfold, leaving us guessing instead of feeding it to us. I happen to like it and feel that as it unravels it will be even better.

BTW I think that Penny and Daniel are brother and sister which is why she seemed concerned when Desmond was lying to her.

And seeing Widmores characther back then makes sense why he didnt inherit the kingdom and why he has problems with Ben.


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23. "The enhanced version of Ep. 2 calls Mrs. Hawking "Eloise Hawking""
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So yeah, Ellie = Mrs. Hawking = Faraday's mom

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17. "buried bomb --------> hatch? n/m"
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18. "Are H bombs magnetic?"
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19. "nice connection"
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32. "i think the bomb..."
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is in the statue of the foot that we see from time to time on the island.

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40. "Wasnt locke tied up to that same tower"
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that the bomb is held when ben tells him he has to kill his father?

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20. "that was a dope episode"
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especially after the very mediocre last two

  

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21. "you fuckin lost-tards need to give it up"
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this was a decent episode, but you're missing one key thing: THERE'S NO TENSION.

we know exactly who is going to live and who won't, all the time. the DONGGGGGG



STRINGSSSSSSSS



shit is just annoying.

there is no stress

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28. "http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2188/2315965184_481c3c195d.jpg?v=0"
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59. "ah shit"
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22. "This was a solid episode and I'll tell you why"
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NO JACK.
NO KATE.
MINIMAL SAWYER.

See what happens when you don't beat us over the head with the same annoying characters every second?

Time travel still sucks though. I can only see it getting worse as the weeks go by.



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24. "Good episode!"
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25. "Miles and Marvin"
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with all of this mother/father stuff going on...

has ayone here discussd the idea that Miles could be the son of Marvin Candle (dude from all of the Dharma videos). In the season opener, he was holding a baby (i think it was a boy), and if you look at Miles age (mid-30's) that would have him being born in the early 1970s.

just a thought...

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26. "hmmmmm... interesting."
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27. "you def might be on to something with this...."
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...especially considering how everybody seems to be connected in one way or another.


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42. "Possibly raised as his son"
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Not biological, right? Not entirely sure. During last week's premier, the baby didn't look Asian, but I just went to see it again on abc.com and the baby kinda looks Asian.

  

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29. "Daniel and Mrs. Hawking"
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This could very well be his mother. She's called Eloise Hawking and the mouse in his maze he had called Eloise.

She's always seemed to know about the future/time travel, as he does. He said to look for his mother in Oxford, turns out his mother is in Los Angeles (Eloise Hawking is in LA with Ben at this point in time).

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30. "Thoughts/Observations/Questions"
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http://blog.melanism.com/2009/01/29/lost-season-five-jughead/

What I Liked:

* From an IM conversation I had with Erwin right after “The Lie” aired last Wednesday: “11:04:52 PM Sean Campbell: think that solider might be Widmore?” I love being right!
* There was no Oceanic Six. Not that I don’t like that part of the story, it’s that the island story is much more interesting and compelling
* This episode was a great showcase for Daniel Faraday. He really came into his own as a leader of the Freighties yet we found out he has a past that doesn’t make him so noble (but who doesn’t on this island?)
* Like I’ve said before, I like the time flashes on the island because it will allow us to learn so much about the island’s history

What I Didn’t Like

* There’s this ominous feeling I have about the fate of Desmond and Penny. i just want them to get away and live happily ever after but now that they are headed to L.A. where a revenge-seeking Ben is, it’s only going to get worse.
* I’m afraid I’ll be disappointed by what parts of the island history doesn’t get covered in the time flashes.

Lines of the Night:

* “I certainly hate to contradict myself.” - Richard ‘Batmanuel” Alpert response to Locke telling him that Alpert told Locke he’s the leader of the Others 50 years into the future
* “Hate to bust up the ‘I’m an Other, you’re an Other reunion…” - Sawyer to Juliet and the two captured Others
* “Your name is Widmore?” Charles Widmore?” “What’s it to you?” “Nothing. Nice to meet you.” - Locke and a young Charles Widmore
* ““Fantastic idea, really inspired” - Daniel Faraday regarding Ellie’s threat to shoot him in front of a leaking hydrogen bomb

What We Learned:

Desmond & The Hunt For Daniel’s Mom

* Penny & Desmond had a son
* When Desmond gets to Oxford, there is no record of Daniel Faraday ever having worked there
* Desmond finds Daniel’s lab and it’s locked with a fumingation sticker on it. Desmond breaks in
* Desmond finds some of Daniel’s lab materials, a huge rat maze and a picture of Daniel with a blonde woman
* The janitor finds him and tell him that he’s not the first person to come looking for Daniel
* The janitor says that there’s no record of Daniel because of what he did to some woman
* Desmond apparently gets the woman’s information from him and goes to see her
* The woman’s name is Teresa Spencer and Daniel apparently experimented on her. Her consciousness is traveling along the time stream. She’s bedridden
* Daniel abandoned her and went to America
* The woman Teresa’s sister tells Desmond that Charles Widmore funded Daniel’s work and is also taking care of cost of taking care of Teresa
* Desmond goes to see Charles Widmore and demands the location of Daniel’s mother
* Charles gives him her address and says that she’s in Los Angeles (one more point in the “Ms. Hawkings is Daniel’s Mother” tally)
* Widmore tells him to take Penny and go back to wherever they have been hiding and not to get involved in the business with the island
* Desmond gets back to the boat and tells Penny that Daniel’s mother died but she’s knows he’s lying.
* They named their son, Charlie (insert “Awww”)
* Penny knows Desmond will never be able to let all this go (although Desmond said he’d give all this up for her and Charlie) so she agrees that they will all go to Los Angeles (gulp!)

The Island (1954)

* Daniel, Charlotte, Miles and two redshirts go to the creek which was the meeting spot
* Charlotte is experiencing double vision and dizziness
* One of the redshirts set off a mine hooked up to some mines killing himself and another redshirt
* A bunch of people in army fatigues with arrows and gun and led by a young blonde take the freighties hostage
* Meanwhile, the people that Locke, Sawyer and Juliet have captured start speaking Latin to one another which Juliet knows and identifies them as Others
* Apparently, learning Latin is Others 101: It’s the “language of the enlightened”
* While being led to the Others camp, Miles senses the ghosts of four dead U.S. soldiers, three shot, one dying from radiation poisoning
* They bring them to Richard Alpert who’s as young and eyeliney as ever.
* Alpert asks them is they are back for their bomb
* Juliet starts to convince one of the Others to bring them to Alpert
* Once he starts talking, the other Other quickly snaps his neck and runs off
* Locke had a chance to shoot him but he wouldn’t shoot “one of his people”
* Alpert tells the frieghties that 18 U.S. soldiers set up camp and forced the Others to wipe them out. Alpert was just following orders
* They think the freighties are more of those soldiers
* Daniel offers to disarm the leftover h-bomb
* When Alpert asks him why he won’t get detonate it, Daniel says that he is in love with Charlotte and would never let anything happen to her
* Charlotte says he didn’t have to say that but Daniel tells her it’s the truth
* The young blonde named Ellie escorts Daniel to the bomb
* Ellie notcies Daniel staring at her. He says she looks like someone
* The Other who escape Locke shows up in camp and is confident that he was not followed but obviously he doesn’t know Locke
* Locke is going to walk into the camp but he gives Juliet and Sawyer a ten minute headstart to save Daniel
* They get to the bomb and Daniel examines it and notices that the h-bomb has a leak
* Daniel tells her that they should just bury it and everything will be fine. When she asks why, he slips and tells her because the island is still here 50 years later
* Sawyer and Juliet show up and disarm Ellie
* Locke walks into the camp asking for Alpert. The Other who he followed has a gun to Locke’s back
* When Alpert confronts him, Locke tells him that Jacob sent him. Alpert tells the Other to stand down
* That Other’s name is Widmore. CHARLES WIDMORE
* Locke tries to convince Alpert that he’s the leader of the Others because Alpert told him so.
* The year they are in is 1954.
* Locke tells Alpert that he was born on May 30, 1956 and Richard should go see him if he doesn’t believe him (explaining his appearances in Locke’s flashback during “Cabin Fever”)
* They flash away before Alpert tells Locke how to get off the island
* We don’t know what time period they are in now
* Charlotte collapses with a full nosebleed like Minkowki in “The Constant”

Questions:

* How long was Widmore an Other?
* How did Widmore get to the island?
* How did he get off the island?
* Who did Ellie remind Daniel of?
* Is Ellie Ms.Hawking (Ms. Hawking’s first name is Eloise)? (If yes, the same question I asked about Charles Widmore)
* How long has Richard Alpert been on the island?
* Why isn’t Richard the official leader of The Others?
* How come they stayed in 1954 so long?
* Why is Charlotte the only one succumbing to the time sickness?
* Why didn’t Teresa Spencer die from the time sickness?
* Why did Daniel abandon Teresa?
* Why does Widmore want Desmond and Penny to go back into hiding?
* Does the fact that Locke appeared in their camp claiming to be their leader 50 years before the plane crash the reason The Others worship him so much?
* Does Nestor Carbonell (Richard Alpert) have eyeliner tattooed on?

  

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34. "LOL @ the last question"
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Do you think Richard is actually a roman sailor?

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39. "Good questions"
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I think ellie reminds daniel of his mother hence the name and widmore wants des and penny to go into hiding because ben wants to kill penny

My question and this may have already been answered I do not know, The time travel only effects the island? If so, are the people who are on the island that are being effected, are they also living a life they were living off the island at the time period? I understand at some points the time period is before they were born but what about when it wasnt....

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43. "again...Time Travel is some bullshit..."
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>My question and this may have already been answered I do not
>know, The time travel only effects the island? If so, are the
>people who are on the island that are being effected, are they
>also living a life they were living off the island at the time
>period? I understand at some points the time period is before
>they were born but what about when it wasnt....

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64. "RE: again...Time Travel is some bullshit..."
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I really wouldnt worry about that. I dont think it will come into play.

My opionion is that you should not get to worked up about the time travel. Just try to roll with it. There will always be problems when you have time travel.


The part that is neat about it is how it is fitting into the story and answering some long time questions.

  

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44. "RE: Thoughts/Observations/Questions"
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> * Why is Charlotte the only one succumbing to the time
>sickness?
> * Why didn’t Teresa Spencer die from the time sickness?

I think there might be a correlation between these 2 broads


> * Why does Widmore want Desmond and Penny to go back into
>hiding?

because Ben wants revenge & Penny is his daughter? Ben could take them to the island and she'll be gone. He probably knows Ben is in Los Angeles.

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45. "lemme geek out for a minute while I wait for the orange line:"
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* Why didn’t Teresa Spencer die from the time sickness?
1. Maybe it's only fatal if you're in proximity to the Island.
2. I believe her sister said Teresa thinks she's 3 years old. Maybe her bond with her family is strong enough that they work as her "constant", but the differences in their age/personality/et cetera from when she was a toddler make the effect weak, leaving her in limbo.

* Why does Widmore want Desmond and Penny to go back into hiding?
To keep Penny safe from Ben's eye-for-an-eye shenanigans. Too bad she talked Desmond into taking the whole family to LA.

I noticed that Jacob and veneration of him definitely precedes DHARMA, and access to him is very limited even in the past.

What's up with:
* In 1954, Richard seemed nonplussed by the idea of time traveling. In the future, he's okay with it. How'd the Others get from A>B?

Q. Assuming Ellie = Hawking = Daniel's mother: Hawking, Widmore, and Ben were all once Others living on the island, doing island thangs. Ben's working with Hawking right now and Widmore keeps her in his rolodex. Ben and Richard's flock were/are at war with Widmore. Whose side is Hawking on? Tangentially related - why can't Ben kill Widmore?

Maybe A.: I read a chapter or two of the latest terrible sequel to Ender's Game, where all the countries in the world put aside their grievances and unite to protect the world from the aliens. After they're done killing all the aliens and making sure there is a world worth fighting over, they start killing each other again. Whatever might happen in 70 hours is more important than Ben/Widmore's war. (Where does Lt Daniels fit into all of this?)

  

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52. "Lt Daniels?"
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54. "Yeah.. He's been moonlighting on Fringe"
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He need to get back on Lost and answer some questions!

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55. "I mean who is he? I don't remember."
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56. "matthew abbaddon"
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He visited Hurley in the mental hospital and asked him if there were any crash survivors alive on the island, was involved with putting Naomi, Daniel, Miles, and Charlotte on the freighter (implying he works for Widmore), and gave Locke the idea to go on a walkabout while posing as a hospital orderly.

  

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31. "My thoughts..."
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So when Miles mentioned to Daniel that they passed over the fresh grave of military men, I thought I heard Daniel asks Miles, "Did any of them SAY what year it was?" Implying that Miles can actually communicate with the dead, not just sense them. It seems his abilities are being more defined. And if he can communicate with the dead, will he play a key factor in "resurrecting" Locke once his body makes it back to the island? I'm also curious how Miles' power would work in the presence of Jacob.

Penny and Desmond have a baby and name him "Charlie". Nice, right? The funny thing is the first thought that came to my mind wasn't "Charlie (Driveshaft)", it was "They named a baby after Penny's dad?"

And to top it off, I read a theory earlier today where someone suggested the following (apparently taken from the TelevisionWithoutPity.com site):
1) Desmond and Penny have a child, whom they name Charlie.
2) At some point, the entire Hume family return to the island, in the process time traveling back to the 1930's.
3) Desmond and Penny die, and their bodies and the surviving child are found by Richard's group. (Alternatively, the "Others" have a hand in Des and Pen's deaths, allowing little Charlie to live.)
4) Des and Pen become the "Adam and Eve" found in "House of the Rising Sun", whom Jack surmised had died 40 to 50 years ago.
5) The "Others" raise young Charlie, who for some reason is identified as Charles Widmore instead of Charles Hume. (Perhaps some ID papers indicating he is Charles Widmore Hume are damaged, and so only "Charles Widmore" can be made out.)
Widmore is raised by the "Others" and is about 20 years old at the time of the encounters with Faraday's group.
5) Eventually he leaves the island, and fathers a daughter, whom he names after his mother.
6) He lives to be a robust man in his mid-60's, at which point we meet him in "Live Together, Die Alone".
7) He is his own grandfather.

Speaking of one baby ("Charlie"), let's talk about Aaron. Didn't Claire's psychic tell her that only she could raise Aaron? Are these consequences coming to light with the lawyer/mystery client wanting a paternity test?

Also, Kate's pregnancy story does have enough holes that she'd be pretty easy to expose - there has to be footage (Oceanic airport security camera, at other points while she was in the marshall's custody) and witnesses (the farmer in Australia, Sawyer's daughter's mother) that would all prove she was NOT pregnant before boarding Flight 815. And they were only on the island about 180 days or so. Is Claire's mom behind the paternity test? Or is it...

Kate's ex-husband (the cop she sedated before running again? I'm curious if has contacted her since she's been back? Her rescue and subsequent trial were pretty public - he had to have seen her on television at some point. And as part of her settlement, she agreed to stay put in LA, so she can't run this time.

I'm hoping the time-hopping will introduce us to the real Henry Gale, Adam and Eve, the Black Rock crew, Rousseau's crew, the four-toed statue builders.

Rewatching the first two eps of the season made me think it was a mistake to show them back to back like that - I think they should have been shown separately as there was too much groundowrk being laid
especially in the first one.

  

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36. "I too wondered if Charlie is actually charles widmore but..."
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That was a pretty pronounced English accent. He clearly grew up in England. He wouldn't have that if he spent year 3-20 on the island.

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37. "Good Stuff. Miles..."
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If you remember when we saw some of his back story last season, he was talking to the dead boy who hid the money in the house. so i think we can easily assume that he can talk to the dead becuz we have evidence.

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38. "Ah, right I forgot about that..."
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It's amazing how some past events in the show will be crystal clear, some fuzzy, and some I don't remember at all.

  

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49. "it;'s apparent that sun is behind this"
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Is Claire's mom behind the
>paternity test? Or is it...
>

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57. "i'm betting on ben, why do you think it's sun? n/m"
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62. "i figured this was ben's doing"
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To help motivate kate to get on board with his plan and that the lawyers were the two dudes he asks the female butcher about

  

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47. "..."
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50. "Theory on why Charlotte is experience Sickness"
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I believe it was the season finale last year when Miles said something to the extent of "She is trying to find where she was Born". If the case is she was actually born on the island than travelling back pre her existence on the island effects her because it is her birthplace and the island and her body are rejecting the past.

  

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51. "this makes a lot of sense..."
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65. "i don't remember miles saying she was born there"
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i thought he said something like "i'm surprised you want to leave the island when you just got back."

but yeah, whatever it was is definitely related to what's happening to her.

>I believe it was the season finale last year when Miles said
>something to the extent of "She is trying to find where she
>was Born". If the case is she was actually born on the island
>than travelling back pre her existence on the island effects
>her because it is her birthplace and the island and her body
>are rejecting the past.

  

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53. "Jughead and the Hatch"
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Ok check my theory here...

We all know that it is possible that Jughead the H-bomb is what is buried in the hatch (Faraday saying it needs to be buried in cement... Sayid in season 2 saying that the only time he heard of something being buried in cement was Chernobyl)

So follow me... i need to watch again, but didn’t someone say that if the H-bomb goes off then it would destroy existence (something like that)

Well what if that means that if the bomb would have went off back in 1954, then the island and it's inhabitants would've been destroyed. Therefore whatever event that happens in the future that caused the Dharma initiative (or others) to build the computer that had to have a button pressed every 108 seconds in order to save the world would not have been built. that means that the world would have been destroyed.

That’s why it was important for Faraday (the physicist) to be back in 1954 in order to give proper instruction as to how to handle Jughead. Make sense? hmmmm?

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58. "RE: Jughead and the Hatch"
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The hatch was electromagnetic energy though, as seen when they failed to push the button and everything metal was drawn to the walls. The theory over on lostpedia and i agree is that the bomb is burried in the cement pilar where Locke's dad was tied up. I think personally think the hatch was something completely different. Also the hatch was built by Dharma seemingly after 1954, i don't think the others just left it for 20 some years.

  

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60. "So was that Eloise Hawking talking to Ben about going back to"
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the island in the second episode I believe, man I love and hate this damn show you can sit around and just wonder and think all kinds of storylines..lol
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61. ""
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remember that episode? I think that was a taste of how Season 5 would be like. That was a well played but at the time filler episode, until now. It seem like they're filling in the blanks. We now know the reason why Richard went back to see young Locke. I just hope they fill in the blanks right.

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63. "We now know the reason why Richard went back to see young Locke.RE: Expo..."
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We sure fucking do. I had forgotten about that. Although it appearred that Locke failed the test that Alplert gave him.

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josephmurf2384
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68. "We now know the reason why Richard went back to see young Locke.RE: Expo..."
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Well according to Farraday they can't change anything so i think him picking the knife over the compass points to what kind of leader Locke will be, not that he isn't chosen. Richard seems to exist outside the spectrum of rules so Locke was able to set events in motion but not change the way they happened by picking the Compass. Just a thought.

  

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Mageddon
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66. "They're trying hard to make Daniel Farady that guy, huh?"
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Yeah, geeks are in style, but I find him annoying as fuck.

This episode was better than the first two. I think mostly because we didn't see most of those fools off the island (the 6).

I really hope Sawyer dies. He's beyond wack at this point.

  

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69. "i find duke more tolerable than Jack or Kate"
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he was pretty cool tho this past ep

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70. "Episode 7 will run 1 hour and 4 minutes"
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Very strange. They must be trying to fuck over some competitor's show in the 10:00 spot like Fox did with them last week when they overran Idol by 5 minutes.

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72. "Alotta shows have been doin this for awhile"
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its screwed me a few times

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71. "RE: Lost: 01/28/09"
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Another great episode. I am glad they are using the flashbacks to show more of the island history.

So the atomic bomb is still on the island.. I guess? Buried?

  

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73. "it was good. but i need more Sun and"
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a conclusion to whether Jin is dead or alive...

cause it sure seems like, at the end of last season, they're setting Sun up to side with Charles Widmore and take Ben out...

though, how will she REALLY feel when she learns Widmore sent the Freighter to kill everyone on the island?

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74. "they way the producers talk about it, i'm pretty sure jin's alive n/m"
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75. "daniel dae kim's name's been in the credits every episode"
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i wonder if he moved with the island or if he's floating around on some flotsam.

  

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HighVoltage
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77. "thats true but all the dead characters resurface"
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as ghosts or whatever.

i also think jin actually did survive the freighter explosion, but im juust saying his name in credits isnt enough. i mean michelle rodriquez was in the season opener and shes long dead.


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76. "i'd like them to do some of the same"
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....i'm mpre interested in where Jin and Claire are than almost all this other stuff...the time stuff is cool, but creates more questions to a show that should be workin on more answers at this point...

..and if the Oceanic 6 have to go back to the island, do Walt, frank and des have to go back too? i'm wit the other poster on the fact that i want Des to not go back most of all and have a happy ending...

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78. "fuck Sun and her exaggerated "T"s"
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kaTTe, are you alrigTTT?

ugh that shit kills me lol

i do miss Jin tho

  

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