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"Denzel Washington is the greatest living (film) actor"


          

yeah, yeah, I said it. And I totally believe it. And as proof I wont even mention his most notable roles (Glory, Malcolm X, Training Day, American Gangster)

I'll mention two of his most run of the mill flicks.

Have yall seen the movie "Deja Vu"? its a pretty pedestrian, run of the mill sci fi thriller, about time travel, with ANYBODY else in the lead role it would have been totally mediocre.... Denzel single handedly elevates some mediocre material and gives a gotdamn tour de force performance, with so much damn charisma and personality that he and HE ALONE compells you to care about that damn movie!

"Out of Time" is EXACTLY the same, mediocre material that is elevated just because Denzel is in it. Nobody has as much on screen charisma, NOBODY.

  

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Who got the popcorn
Jan 13th 2009
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RE: Denzel Washington is the greatest living (film) actor
Jan 13th 2009
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who you got that aint fell off? Deniro? Pacino?
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      RE: who you got that aint fell off? Deniro? Pacino?
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           nah... anybody is eligible
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Hmmm...
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Phillip Semore Hoffman? how many times has he played the SAME
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      >how many times has he played the SAME
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      apparently you've never seen CARBON COPY!!
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           LOL!
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      RE: Phillip Semore Hoffman? how many times has he played the SAME
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      See? Now when *I* said this, I was being a bitch! Oh, wait..........
Jan 14th 2009
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I'll tell you what, you show me when Denzel plays a role
Jan 13th 2009
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i feel you...
Jan 13th 2009
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He was a loser in Courage Under Fire
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Malcolm X.... Mo Better Blues..... complex characters
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Uh. How about the one he won his first oscar for?
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Gimme one more from the last 20 years.
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      Haha. Tom Hanks is *more* guilty of that than Denzel is.
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      RE: Gimme one more from the last 20 years.
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Here's five:
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      You're right. My fault.
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Cmon. Cheadle better.
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Earl the Goat Manigult? nope
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HELL and NO
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what about Jack?
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Jack is definitely at least equal to Denzel imo
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      RE: Jack is definitely at least equal to Denzel imo
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Wayne Brady better.
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RE: Denzel Washington is the greatest living (film) actor
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No, but he's given one of the best performances of someone living.
Jan 14th 2009
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I mean, I shouldn't be shocked that he was snubbed
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      I think X was just more controversy than the Academy wanted
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           At the same time, The Academy knew what they were doing
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           true. Folks associate the story of Malcolm with
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wait -- did Robert De Niro die?
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Bobby fallin' off, and he don't care...
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His performance as Lamotta >> his performance as Bickle.
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you say that b/c of the weight thing or b/c of the performance?
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      RE: you say that b/c of the weight thing or b/c of the performance?
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his career did
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seriously
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He's helping keeping Black Hollywood on the top of the mountain.
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I love his characters, but I gotta air something out about Denzel......
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1. "Who got the popcorn"
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2. "RE: Denzel Washington is the greatest living (film) actor"
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interesting.. I think hes definitely up there but GREATEST? iono.

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3. "who you got that aint fell off? Deniro? Pacino?"
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mere parodies of their former selves.

  

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4. "RE: who you got that aint fell off? Deniro? Pacino?"
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nah those two definitely fell off. umm.. Is the criteria on this that they need to have been in the game for at least 20+ years? Theres a TON of cats that I like a lot but I cant seemed to put one on top for some reason.

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5. "nah... anybody is eligible"
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but body of work does count

  

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6. "Hmmm..."
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Tue Jan-13-09 05:14 PM by inpulse

          

I'd put Tony Leung Chiu-Wai, Don Cheadle, PSH, and Juliette Binoche over Denzel.


edit: Benecio, too.

  

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7. "Phillip Semore Hoffman? how many times has he played the SAME"
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fuckin role? the emotionally "slightly disturbed douchebag" foh... he's Jack Black with more credibility.

and Don Cheadle? dude got that chiwetel "lack of good material for a black man problem" doing shit like Traitor.

Juliette Binoche... can't speak on it really, she was great in Breaking and Entering but I aint familair with French movies

  

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8. ">how many times has he played the SAME"
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>fuckin role?


*shrug*

I could say the same about Denzel really.

One thing I'd like to also point out is that I think PSH or Cheadle could do comedic (or lighthearted) roles easily. I really can't see Denzel doing that quite as well as those two.

  

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9. "apparently you've never seen CARBON COPY!!"
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082138/

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foh.... Denzel coulda been Tom Hanks if he wanted too.

  

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11. "LOL!"
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12. "RE: Phillip Semore Hoffman? how many times has he played the SAME"
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well, when cheadle was in 'devil in a blue dress' with denzel, he did steal some scenes from D.

watch it again, i think it will impress you.

cheadle is one of the most gifted actors today. even 'traitor' was tolerable because of him.

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31. "See? Now when *I* said this, I was being a bitch! Oh, wait.........."
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>fuckin role? the emotionally "slightly disturbed douchebag"
> foh... he's Jack Black with more credibility.



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10. "I'll tell you what, you show me when Denzel plays a role"
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that isn't uber-masculine, or a hero, and we can go back and forth on this one.

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14. "i feel you..."
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i was thinking the other day that denzel never really played a vulnerable role.

like, the stereotype to win an oscar is do the gay role or the mentally challenged role. and i've never seen him do either. not to say 'hey he needs to do one' but i've never seen him do a role where he was pretty much a loser. he's always an asskicker even in jon q (with no money etc.) he still found a way to be kick ass.

it would be cool to find him in a depressing role where he just struggles with who/how he is. you can argue that malcolm or even mo' betta blues had moments of that, but i don't think i've seen emotionally challenging roles like that by him since.
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35. "He was a loser in Courage Under Fire"
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15. "Malcolm X.... Mo Better Blues..... complex characters"
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right there

  

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19. "Uh. How about the one he won his first oscar for?"
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An insecure, weak-minded former slave.

he completely smashed that role.



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21. "Gimme one more from the last 20 years."
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One. LAST 20 YEARS. I'm not taking away from Denzel's greatness. Dude's filmography is damn near invincible. But versatility hasn't been his thing for a while now. Sure, Training Day was a switch, and one that impressed the shit outta me, but he was still a badass. He's either the hero or a badass. Gimme something more to win that Best Actor Alive title. Otherwise, Hanks Better.

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22. "Haha. Tom Hanks is *more* guilty of that than Denzel is."
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>Gimme something more to win that Best Actor Alive
>title. Otherwise, Hanks Better.

Hanks always plays a troubled, meek, emasculated
male character. Almost always.

Hell, he was even emasculated as a MAJOR in Saving
Private Ryan....in the goddamn military. He's even
meek, troubled, and thoughtful when he plays supposed
toughguys.

Tom Hanks is just as guilty, if not FAR MORE for imposing
himself on roles than Denzel is.

He just does it on the opposite pole.

And you're missing the real reason why Denzel takes
all these commanding roles:

Women LOVE him and it makes fucking money.

Women don't want to see Denzel acting meek and bitchlike.

They want him commanding some shit, which is why he makes
20 milly plus.

But the real reason you're wrong about Denzel is this;

Just because he's commanding in his roles doesn't mean he
doesn't exhibit GREAT range.

Hell, go from the 'The Hurricane' to 'Training Day'. You don't
get much different. The fact that both were "badass" is not
enough so please, STFU.

He's seriously great, as great as there is.

  

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27. "RE: Gimme one more from the last 20 years."
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>One. LAST 20 YEARS. I'm not taking away from Denzel's
>greatness. Dude's filmography is damn near invincible. But
>versatility hasn't been his thing for a while now. Sure,
>Training Day was a switch, and one that impressed the shit
>outta me, but he was still a badass. He's either the hero or a
>badass. Gimme something more to win that Best Actor Alive
>title. Otherwise, Hanks Better.
Bone Collector. dude was a quadriplegic. does that count or are we now calling severely handicapped folks badasses now?

  

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24. "Here's five:"
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Bleek Gilliam.

Jake Shuttlesworth.

Philadelphia.

That shit with the indian chick.

That shit with Angelina Jolie where he's a quadriplegic.

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34. "You're right. My fault."
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I still don't put him as the goat for some reason, though. Top three.

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13. "Cmon. Cheadle better."
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16. "Earl the Goat Manigult? nope"
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37. "HELL and NO"
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17. "what about Jack?"
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still doing good movies, been in the game since forever?

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26. "Jack is definitely at least equal to Denzel imo"
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and I'ma huge Denzel fan...


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36. "RE: Jack is definitely at least equal to Denzel imo"
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>and I'ma huge Denzel fan...
>
>
i am a huge denzel fan too, but equal? Nah he is above that nest, shining, departed, batman and too many to name but he is almost never the same character and plays the hell out of the roll

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18. "Wayne Brady better."
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20. "RE: Denzel Washington is the greatest living (film) actor"
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denzel plays the same character in every movie. i was discussing this with someone. exact same person - mannerisms, "alright alright", the walk, etc.

:0)

  

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23. "No, but he's given one of the best performances of someone living."
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I'm referring of course to his performance in Malcolm X.

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25. "I mean, I shouldn't be shocked that he was snubbed"
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Black actor, snubbed in favor of Al Pacino in a showy role...it all makes sense.

But every time I watch that movie, I'm stunned again that he got snubbed. He was unbelievable.

Then I get all angry again that Pacino got fucked over for Godfather II and won with a performance that paled and didn't deserve it.

(I agree too, by the way, that Denzel isn't the best actor working. I don't think his range is all that impressive. However, that doesn't make him any less riveting a performer to me. Some guys you wanna see disappear into roles, and some guys you just wanna see be a variation of themselves and take over the screen.)

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29. "I think X was just more controversy than the Academy wanted"
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I don't even know what it is about Malcolm, but just his name, his legacy, evokes more strong and inexplicable reaction from people than most recent historical figures. Shit -- I've met Mexican dudes that hate his ass more than Nixon or Kissinger or any of them, you know?

I just think the Academy didn't want to invite debate or controversy, so they just gave the cupcake, lollipop, sweet little award to Pacino for giving a memorable speech, then waited 10+ to give Denzel the make-up award. At least he finally got it, is all I really think about that.

Plus it gives Spike another totally appropriate thing to be salty about being overlooked for, which probably helps his art in the end.

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38. "At the same time, The Academy knew what they were doing"
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Because Pacino's gone down fucking hill since then. They knew Denzel's run was just starting so they gave Pacino the lifetime achievement Oscar when they had the chance.

Is that a good reason? Does it need to be, we're talking about the Oscars.

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43. "true. Folks associate the story of Malcolm with"
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"too black, too strong, and fuck the rest of y'all", which means they completely miss the point.

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28. "wait -- did Robert De Niro die?"
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I know his recent stuff has been embarrassing, and while I definitely consider Denzel's performance in Malcolm X to be one of the greatest individual performances I've seen, I would probably *still* say De Niro as Travis Bickle trumps it.

I mean, does Meet the Parents dumb its audience down so much they can't even remember the '70s?

and while De Niro sorta turned away from the "serious drama" lately, by acting in comedies and other cheesy flicks (wait, shit, wasn't he in fucking Bullwinkle?) he's at least shown a versatility. I hate Meet the Parents, but I'd be lying if I didn't say Bobby was kinda funny as the dad.

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30. "Bobby fallin' off, and he don't care..."
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...just as long as the check's in the mail...

I can't fault him though, his resume speaks for itself (even with the aforementioned stinkers he's done lately.)
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32. "His performance as Lamotta >> his performance as Bickle."
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33. "you say that b/c of the weight thing or b/c of the performance?"
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because obviously Lamotta is powerful even without the physical conditioning aspect thrown into it, but Travis Bickle powerful?

I mean one of the MOST FAMOUS SCENES IN ALL OF CINEMA is just Robert De Niro talking to the camera. Travis Bickle is BEYOND iconic, and the character goes between the over-eager charmer on the date, to the bizarre racist trying to fit in with the cabbies, to the full on psycho about to assassinate a political candidate.

Looking back at Raging Bull, I'd say it's more about the camera work and the thematic content. Lamotta is obviously intriguing, but that character doesn't quite carry the narrative the way Travis Bickle IS the Taxi Driver.

but

you're right, I didn't even think of Raging Bull when I typed my post. Denzel -- I LOVE Denzel -- he doesn't have anything touching either of those De Niro roles.

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41. "RE: you say that b/c of the weight thing or b/c of the performance?"
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I'm with you, Taxi Driver is the best performance of Deniro's career. Bickle's character is way more nuanced than LaMotta, who is a....raging bull.

  

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39. "his career did"
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hiiiiooooooooooooooooo

  

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40. "seriously"
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i'll take daniel day-lewis and forrest whitaker over him

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42. "He's helping keeping Black Hollywood on the top of the mountain."
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<==Hawtastic.

  

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44. "I love his characters, but I gotta air something out about Denzel......"
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Denzel, minus maybe a couple roles....(like Deniro), doesn't "act" in the sense where your acting like someone else. He basically plays Denzel acting like this person.

The same stares, the same looks, same physical nuances, same attitude. He doesn't play characters, he makes characters act like Denzel. I love him to death, but...

With that said, I really think Sean Penn has it. He can actually convince you that he's different people that just happen to look like Sean Penn.

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