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Frank Longo
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"How to get acquainted with Fellini, Bergman, Godard, Truffaut, etc."


  

          

I'm wildly unfamiliar with most European directors. It's embarrassing, but growing up in the South, and having constantly been studying/reviewing contemporary American film, I just always have assumed I'd get around to it some other time.

Well, after reading about these directors' films in the Roger Ebert's 4-Star Reviews book, I have come to the conclusion I must wait no longer.

Sooooo how should I get started? Should I simply go through alphabetically (talking about these films on my website would be easier alphabetically, but I realize it's less than ideal)? Should I do one director at a time, shoot straight through their films? Is there a particular order in which I should get acquainted with these greats? Is there an order in which I should watch each director's films?

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This would be a great post for King Friday, probably.
Jan 02nd 2009
1
I actually do know 8 1/2, and love it.
Jan 03rd 2009
2
      You should check out Day For Night
Jan 03rd 2009
8
      you can't go wrong with Fellini's "Amarcord"
Jan 03rd 2009
13
           YES WE CAN! *zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz*
Jan 03rd 2009
34
                I really thought we had something
Jan 03rd 2009
38
                     Awww, we DO, dude! :0)
Jan 03rd 2009
42
Bergmans that you must see
Jan 03rd 2009
3
Also, 'Escargo of Time' was riveting
Jan 03rd 2009
27
      go to Starbucks and get a latte
Jan 03rd 2009
36
Tati films you MUST see
Jan 03rd 2009
4
Bresson
Jan 03rd 2009
5
Melville
Jan 03rd 2009
6
I would prolly flip the order of those
Jan 03rd 2009
14
IMO, Melville's crime movies in order of best to 'worst'
Jan 03rd 2009
24
I'd agree, with one correction
Jan 03rd 2009
29
Haven't seen it, but I'll check for it.
Jan 03rd 2009
30
You sure that's the right title? Not finding any info on the net.
Jan 03rd 2009
39
you haven't figured this out yet?
Jan 03rd 2009
40
      Nah. I give up.
Jan 03rd 2009
41
           it was so bad that Melville had his name removed from it
Jan 03rd 2009
45
Dude, En Vino de Arrogante is SO pedestrian
Jan 03rd 2009
44
Agreed. HIGHLY.
Jan 03rd 2009
33
i didn't realize that was where Ghost Dog came from
Jan 03rd 2009
46
IMHO, any Melville fan who hasn't seen Army of Shadows should
Jan 03rd 2009
47
in my opinion
Jan 03rd 2009
7
you got a rapidshare account?
Jan 03rd 2009
9
No, but I have a badass Netflix account.
Jan 03rd 2009
10
my lone recommendation is godard's "vivre sa vie"
Jan 03rd 2009
11
why don't you just call me once in awhile?
Jan 03rd 2009
12
...
Jan 03rd 2009
16
...
Jan 03rd 2009
17
      lol
Jan 03rd 2009
18
           one inbox sent, another to come
Jan 03rd 2009
19
                Glorious. I shot one your way too.
Jan 03rd 2009
21
                     aaaaand the last one is in your box
Jan 03rd 2009
23
*people's eyebrow*
Jan 03rd 2009
28
      LOL
Jan 03rd 2009
31
You MUST see "The Man With A Movie Camera" by Vertov
Jan 03rd 2009
15
start out with Godard's Breathless
Jan 03rd 2009
20
I think Truffaut in general is more straight-forward
Jan 03rd 2009
22
I would actually recommend Le Petit Soldat
Jan 03rd 2009
32
The Sauce of Love by Umberto Paninininininininininini
Jan 03rd 2009
25
My way? Netflix and Wikipedia... I swear.
Jan 03rd 2009
26
Fellini = I vitelloni, Satyricon
Jan 03rd 2009
35
I can't begin to tell you how much I hated Satyricon
Jan 03rd 2009
37
      Satyricon, like I said, you REALLY have to be in the mood to watch..
Jan 03rd 2009
43
No interest in Brunel?
Jan 03rd 2009
48
i think Longo's a Jags fan, so i'm sure he liked him at some point
Jan 03rd 2009
49
LMAO!
Jan 04th 2009
55
No, I meant Bruno...So you may be right after all.
Jan 04th 2009
56
      Who's Bruno?
Jan 04th 2009
57
I'm a big Bunuel fan, but he is a bit of an acquired taste
Jan 04th 2009
53
RE: How to get acquainted with Fellini, Bergman, Godard, Truffaut, etc.
Jan 04th 2009
50
RE: How to get acquainted with Fellini, Bergman, Godard, Truffaut, etc.
Jan 04th 2009
51
Intro films
Jan 04th 2009
52
RE: How to get acquainted with Fellini, Bergman, Godard, Truffaut, etc.
Jan 04th 2009
54
There's no thread for this in archives?
Jan 04th 2009
58
Breathless was good
Jan 19th 2009
59

Ryan M
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1. "This would be a great post for King Friday, probably."
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Where's he gone, anyway?

Anyway...your best bet is to probably hit the famous films from each of them. That is to say their best known work. At least, that's how I usually do it. I'd guess that'd look something like:

Fellini: 8 1/2
Bergman: Wild Strawberries
Truffaut: The 400 Blows
Godard: Breathless

I didn't care much for Breathless, but The 400 Blows is amazing...and after some meditation on it, 8 1/2 was awesome as well. I watched 8 1/2 while I was in the midst of making a film and feeling completley and totally lost - so it held a hell of a lot of meaning for me.

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2. "I actually do know 8 1/2, and love it."
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Sat Jan-03-09 02:12 AM by Frank Longo

  

          

It's the only film I've seen by those four filmmakers tho. :-\

Any recommendations for order after the famous ones?

Part of me wonders if seeing their films in order would be useful. I recently did that for David Mamet's films, and it was actually a fairly thrilling experience.

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8. "You should check out Day For Night"
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It's one of those The Art of Creating Art films that I'm partial towards, though I must add that I have not sat down to watch this film in a number of years, so it may not have aged well, but I remember digging it immensely...

And you also should not only check out The 400 Blows, but also the entire Antoine Doinel series... Criterion released an excellent box set which collected all 5 Doinel films... and also peep Jules et Jim and Shoot the Piano Player if you can... all of those flicks are Truffaut's best, imo...

As far as Godard, I'd also check out Alphaville and Masculin-Feminin...
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13. "you can't go wrong with Fellini's "Amarcord""
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- Dub

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34. "YES WE CAN! *zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz*"
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"I don't think muthafuckas went to the moon either, but that's just me."-Mos

  

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38. "I really thought we had something"
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- Dub

I give rappers the biz for being m-izza-a-archaic.

  

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42. "Awww, we DO, dude! :0)"
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Just my petty little way of disagreeing.

I just wasn't a fan of Armacord.

Please don't take me seriously. :0)
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3. "Bergmans that you must see"
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-Wild Strawberries
-Smiles of a Summer Night
-The Virgin Spring
-Faith Trilogy
-Persona
-Cries and Whispers

you could watch those in that order and get a pretty good sense of what Bergman was like early in his career and then see how he changed

  

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27. "Also, 'Escargo of Time' was riveting"
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36. "go to Starbucks and get a latte"
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and a muffin.

  

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4. "Tati films you MUST see"
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-M Hulot's Holiday
-Mon Oncle
-Playtime

in that order. a few of the best movies ever made, easily

  

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5. "Bresson"
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1) Diary of a Country Priest
2) A Man Escaped
3) Pickpocket
4) Mouchette

  

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6. "Melville"
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1) Bob le Flambeur
2) Army of Shadows
3) Le Samurai
4) Le Cercle Rouge

  

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14. "I would prolly flip the order of those"
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Cercle Rouge is the most entertaining of those, and I think prolly the easiest to get into.

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24. "IMO, Melville's crime movies in order of best to 'worst'"
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'worst' in quotes b/c none are bad...

1. Le Samourai
2. Un Flic
3. Le Cercle Rouge
4. Bob Le Flambeur
5. Le Deuxieme Souffle
6. Les Doulos

  

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29. "I'd agree, with one correction"
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>'worst' in quotes b/c none are bad...
>
>1. Le Samourai
>2. Un Flic
>3. Le Cercle Rouge
>4. Bob Le Flambeur
>5. Le Deuxieme Souffle
>6. Les Doulos

En Vino de arrogante is definitely in this
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30. "Haven't seen it, but I'll check for it."
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39. "You sure that's the right title? Not finding any info on the net."
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40. "you haven't figured this out yet?"
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- Dub

I give rappers the biz for being m-izza-a-archaic.

  

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41. "Nah. I give up."
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45. "it was so bad that Melville had his name removed from it"
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he just wants you to watch a bad movie

  

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44. "Dude, En Vino de Arrogante is SO pedestrian"
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what a terrible choice

  

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33. "Agreed. HIGHLY."
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46. "i didn't realize that was where Ghost Dog came from"
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until saw it recently (re: le samourai).

Bob Le Flambeur is still my favorite though.

  

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47. "IMHO, any Melville fan who hasn't seen Army of Shadows should"
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watch it ASAP. Anyone looking for a great movie to see should watch it ASAP.

(This isn't directed at you Deebot, you watched it. It's just the best placement for this post.)

  

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7. "in my opinion"
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wouldn't be a bad idea to watch each directors' big films in a row before moving on to a different director. That way you won't get scatterbrained. But I don't think it matters what order you see each director. They're all pretty different.

  

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9. "you got a rapidshare account?"
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10. "No, but I have a badass Netflix account."
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Recommendations?

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My beer TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thebeertravelguide

  

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11. "my lone recommendation is godard's "vivre sa vie""
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12. "why don't you just call me once in awhile?"
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you know I could easily help you with this.

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16. "..."
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*title edited to spare myself a no homo*

Thank yoooooou very much.

I'm just tryin to make progress with the blog, and clearly I can not go any longer without seeing these films.

I have so many movies to see in the next month. Sigh.

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17. "..."
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- Dub

I give rappers the biz for being m-izza-a-archaic.

  

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18. "lol"
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19. "one inbox sent, another to come"
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- Dub

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21. "Glorious. I shot one your way too."
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Muchas gracias, senor.

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23. "aaaaand the last one is in your box"
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28. "*people's eyebrow*"
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Hmmm.


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31. "LOL"
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15. "You MUST see "The Man With A Movie Camera" by Vertov"
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I'm gonna inbox you a list of things I loved that I think/hope you would also enjoy.

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20. "start out with Godard's Breathless"
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Only because it the most straight forward out of all the French New Wave flicks.

As a matter of fact, start with Godard.

Then watch A Band Apart and then A Woman is a Woman.

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22. "I think Truffaut in general is more straight-forward"
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And Godard is more famous cause he is the "look what I can/will do in a movie" guy.

But again... I am not really a Godard fan.
Bande A Parte is pretty good though.

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32. "I would actually recommend Le Petit Soldat"
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Not as an introduction to anything, but just to not dissuade you in case Breathless or Une Femme est Une Femme completely piss you off.

And also because it's an absolutely incredible movie.

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25. "The Sauce of Love by Umberto Paninininininininininini"
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26. "My way? Netflix and Wikipedia... I swear."
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One recommendation will lead to dozens of others.

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35. "Fellini = I vitelloni, Satyricon"
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It's a great introduction to Fellini

Great look @ small-town life and the young people who try to cope with it while looking for bigger and better things.

Very reflective of Fellini's own early life.

Satyricon = is like watching an acid trip before your eyes. One movie you have to be in the mood to watch.

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37. "I can't begin to tell you how much I hated Satyricon"
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I punished myself by forcing myself to finish it but.... ugh. Not for me.
Yet somehow I still want to see Salo.

How does I Vitteloni compare to Amarcord? Cause I really liked Amarcord.

- Dub

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43. "Satyricon, like I said, you REALLY have to be in the mood to watch.."
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I'm not a particular fan of it myself. But it is one of those flicks I think is required to watch if you want to learn about Fellini..

I preferred I Vitelloni over Amarcord b/c of the simplicity. It's one of Fellni's earliest films where there isn't the embellishment of Amarcord or Satyricon.


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48. "No interest in Brunel?"
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49. "i think Longo's a Jags fan, so i'm sure he liked him at some point"
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(but i guess you mean bunuel)


  

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55. "LMAO!"
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56. "No, I meant Bruno...So you may be right after all."
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57. "Who's Bruno?"
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This Bruno?
http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00033/Bruce_Willis__The_Re_33934a.jpg

This Bruno?
http://www.thebrunomovie.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/bruno.jpg


POST JACK: speaking of Bruno, I found this hilarious:

>Bruno Takes on Madonna (again)
From Reelzchannel.com | See recent ReelzChannel news

Imitation is not always flattery, especially when Sacha Baron Cohen is involved. The British press is reporting that in his upcoming movie Bruno, the comic actor will mock the music diva's adoption of Malawian child David Banda. One storyline in Bruno has Cohen's alter ego, a flaming Austrian fashion presenter, and his boyfriend "Diesel" adopting an African baby named David and parading him around the fashion capitals of the world. Although Cohen and Madonna have worked together in the past -- he was featured in her video Music -- it is not his first joke at her expense. At the 2005 MTV Europe Music Awards he followed her performance up with the comment "The singer before me -- who was he? It was very courageous of MTV to start the show with a genuine transvestite."
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53. "I'm a big Bunuel fan, but he is a bit of an acquired taste"
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I think my favorite as of this moment is "That Obscure Object Of Desire," but "Viridiana" gives it a serious run for its money.

- Dub

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50. "RE: How to get acquainted with Fellini, Bergman, Godard, Truffaut, etc."
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>Should I simply go through
>alphabetically (talking about these films on my website would
>be easier alphabetically, but I realize it's less than ideal)?

I'm slow today. How would it make it easier? You mean, like, saving time and not wondering what to watch next?

>Should I do one director at a time, shoot straight through
>their films?

I used to do that, doing my own retrospective, but it's not necessary. It's kind of taxing especially if it was a director I wasn't really into.

Nowadays, I rarely dedicate my watching to just one director at a time. I'm more into variety especially mixing in old and contemporary stuff.

>Is there an order in which I
>should watch each director's films?

The only case in which it's necessary is Truffaut's Doinel films. Those you watch in order. This'll help:
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0027246/

Other than that, no, IMHO, unless there's another series by any of the filmmakers you mentioned (e.g. loose trilogies or whatever) that's escaping my mind at the moment. You can watch the films of Bergman's trilogies in any order.

The benefit of watching their flicks in order is to see their development/trajectory for better or worse, but you can still notice that kind of stuff going non-chronologically.

A note on Godard. Just keep in mind that his work can be very different depending on which period it was made. Roughly, one can divide his stuff into pre-/post-Week End or his stuff up to and including Week End as the end of his first period. Then you got his political filmmaking and film essays. Then his stuff changed again in the 80s. I'm not up on 90s Godard. Then his 2000 and beyond work gets even more ambiguous on a denotative level.

Notes on Bergman. I'm not a fan of probably his most famous film The Seventh Seal. It's iconic, though, that's for sure. But it's not the first Bergman I'd recommend. Bergman is more than a cold intellectual. For your first Bergman, I'd recommend Smiles of a Summer Night because it's a fun film and critics cite The Marriage of Figaro and The Magic Flute as influences on the film. I read that one of the characters also hums the same melody a character in one of Mozart's operas hums or something like that.

Back to Truffaut, the 2nd Doinel film is a short "Antoine and Collette" that's part of the film "Love at Twenty." So look for "Antoine and Collette." It's on The 400 Blows disc that's part of the Criterion Doinel boxset not the stand-alone Criterion The 400 Blows disc. Don't know which one Netflix sends out and if it differs from shipping center to shipping center. Otherwise, it's also available on another Truffaut short film DVD that includes Les Mistons & Antoine and Collette. The former is one of the best narrative short films I've seen so far and the latter is great, too. Les Mistons is also available on the Criterion boxset supplement disc.




Just to throw in my suggestions:

In short, for starters, The 400 Blows, Breathless, La Dolce Vita, and Smiles of a Summer Night.


The 2nd long-winded part of my response:

major Fellini I'm a fan of: La Dolce Vita
minor (major?) Fellini I'm a fan of: I Vitelloni, La Strada, The White Sheik
a Fellini everyone should give a chance sometime: Juliet of the Spirits (a companion piece to 8 1/2)


major Bergman I'm a fan of: Scenes From a Marriage, Persona, Wild Strawberries
major Bergman I really like: Smiles of a Summer Night, Through a Glass Darkly
major Bergman everyone should try: Smiles of a Summer Night, Fanny and Alexander, Shame

If anything, the actresses in Bergman films from 61-73 could comprise a Top 5 female performances of all-time list. Bibi Andersson's monologue in Persona is one of the all-time monologues, IMHO. And Sven Nykvist is arguably the greatest cinematographer of all-time.


major Godard I'm a fan of: Breathless, My Life To Live
major Godard I like: A Woman is a Woman, Contempt
overlooked Godard I kind of like: 80s Godard for visual reasons

Don't get me wrong. I do think Godard is more than worth exploring. Lots of people love lots of his work. I personally coldly admire rather than love his work as a whole.


major Truffaut I'm a fan of: The 400 Blows, Shoot the Piano Player, Jules and Jim
other Truffaut I'm a fan of: Les Mistons, Antoine and Collette, Day For Night
other Truffaut that I like and are comparatively overlooked: Small Changes, The Wild Child
overlooked Truffaut worth watching: The Last Metro, The Green Room


>I'm wildly unfamiliar with most European directors. It's
>embarrassing, but growing up in the South, and having
>constantly been studying/reviewing contemporary American film,
>I just always have assumed I'd get around to it some other
>time.

Don't sleep on contemporary stuff. My advice: mix immediate and distant contemporary stuff in and don't just focus on Europe. But that's another post.

Have you seen In the Mood For Love and Chungking Express? If not, go watch them in that order ASAP.

  

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51. "RE: How to get acquainted with Fellini, Bergman, Godard, Truffaut, etc."
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>Notes on Bergman. I'm not a fan of probably his most famous
>film The Seventh Seal.

same here. I chose not to include it in my list.

>Bergman is more
>than a cold intellectual.

It's funny...Wild Strawberries and Smiles of a Summer Night are a couple of the WARMEST films I've ever seen.

  

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52. "Intro films"
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These are the best places to start. Usually they are the most accessible/entertaining/American. Sometimes they are just one of their shortest (if you're going to end up not liking a director, better to only waste 90 minutes rather than 200).

Enjoy your quest...

FELLINI: I Vitelloni

BERGMAN: Wild Strawberries

GODARD: Breathless

TRUFFAUT: 400 Blows

DREYER: Passion of Joan of Arc

RENOIR: The Grand Illusion

ROSSELLINI: Flowers of St. Francis

OZU: Late Spring

KUROSAWA: Seven Samurai

BUNUEL: Los Olvidados

VISCONTI: Notti Bianche

MIZOGUCHI: Ugetsu

ANTONIONI: The Passenger

OLMI: Il Posto

TARKOVSKY: Andrei Rublev

BERTOLUCCI: The Conformist

PASOLINI: Gospel According to St. Matthew

HERZOG: Aguirre, the Wrath of God

KIAROSTAMI: Taste of Cherry

YIMOU: Raise the Red Lantern

HOU: Three Times





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54. "RE: How to get acquainted with Fellini, Bergman, Godard, Truffaut, etc."
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Just favorites, maybe not best:

Fellini:
Toby Dammit (from Spirits Of The Dead)
8 1/2
La Strada

Bergman:
Persona (most depressing film I have ever seen)
Wild Strawberries
The Seventh Seal
The Magician

Godard:
Masculine, Feminine
Alphaville
Breathless
Contempt

Truffaut:
Jules & Jim
Shoot The Piano Player

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58. "There's no thread for this in archives?"
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I'm surprised. I've only seen 8 1/2 too from these directors . I'll be checking this thread later for recommendations.

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59. "Breathless was good"
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beautifully shot.

next up for me is Antonioni's The Passenger. instant viewing is great.

  

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