23. "actually, superboy came about 3 years earlier than captain marvel jr." In response to Reply # 11
at least the idea did. superboy was 1st published in '44, captain marvel jr. in '41, BUT superboy was around as an idea jerry seigel had since '38. dc just never liked the idea until robin came out.
you can say supergirl is a knock off of mary marvel, although honestly, it would have happened without mary marvel anyways. just a matter of time before the popularity of "superMAN" would bring about superdog, superboy, supergirl, superwoman, etc.
78. "And Taskmaster is balls-deep in awesomeness..." In response to Reply # 17
At least, that's my opinion of him after reading Agent X. So...if Deadpool is a copy of a copy of Taskmaster, I find it pretty impressive that he also manages to be just as awesome.
Fuck it, Deathstroke is the ish too. That fight in Identity Crisis?
Baller.
- B
I know, I know. I use curse words like commas. Fucking deal with it.
14. "Youngblood was originally supposed to be the Teen Titans" In response to Reply # 0
Liefeld oroignally devleoped the costumes, concepts, and storylines for the Teen Titans, and when he formed Image Comics, he just created new characters to fill the roles.
49. "RE: look at the black guy on the left of the bottom 3 pics" In response to Reply # 46
That caught my eye too.
Liefield was a damn renaissance man when it came to stealing. He swiped stories, concepts, whole pages of art. People call Greg Land the modern version, but he's going to have to step his swiping game up if you wants to be on Big Rob's level.
47. "LOL. I was trying to remember dude's name for this post" In response to Reply # 38
That wan't Image though. I believe Liefeld did that after he was put on Captain America as part those misbegotten "reboots" that came around post Onslaught. Marvel ended the experienment, but Liefeld decideded to keep the series going on his own line. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
48. "Yup, AWESOME Comics. Great name." In response to Reply # 47 Thu Dec-04-08 01:56 PM by Brother_Afron
The best part about the whole Fighting American disaster was how the Liefield fans would fight milk tooth and press-on nail to defend it. "It's not a rip-of, he was a previously existing character!"
explain yourself here, 'cause i know you're not trying to say marvel was biting dc when they came up with iron man. completely different characters, origins, etc. only thing they share is they're both geniuses.
A genius, wealthy, playboy with no real superpowers...right? He is not a direct rip-off, but I bet you Batman crossed Lee's mind when creating Iron Man
30. "i don't see anything remotely resembling "rip-off"" In response to Reply # 29
similarity is even pushing it. they're also both white males with strong chins, but that's just nit picking. hell, even if stan DID think of batman when coming up with iron man, it wouldn't be ripping batman off. EVERY single thing about them is different other than both being smart and good looking. bruce isn't even CLOSE to being the playboy that tony stark is. stark enjoys both lives 50/50. bruce is batman 95% of the time. it's his whole life.
Tiger Woods Member since Feb 15th 2004 18386 posts
Thu Dec-04-08 11:53 AM
36. "bruce wouldn't have built a suit in that cave....." In response to Reply # 30
....he would have just chilled in a dark corner for as long as it took for them taliban dudes to come back, then broke all their necks in about 11 seconds
Marvel Exec(ME): Alright dicknoses! Those dumbtards over at DC are killing us! They think they can just take God and slap a cape and a lame S on his chest and turn him into a character! And now they've got that Batman character who's just a normal human being with lots of money and gadgets. I want solutions. NOW!
Lackey #1: How about a billionaire playboy with no real superpowers turned superhero !
ME: That's Batman, you idiot.
Lackey #2: How about if he had a bulletproof suit?
ME: I'm not hating it.
Lackey #2: And he could fly.
ME: I love it. Get a team of writers. I want the first draft of it by Friday.
And that's how I imagine the creation of Iron Man went down. I'm probably wrong, but I've gotten used to that.
While I understand everything you said about Starks enjoying the playboy life and Bruce being Batman 95% of time...I still feel like Lee was thinking about Bruce when he came up Tony Starks
59. "again, bruce wayne IS NOT a playboy" In response to Reply # 53 Thu Dec-04-08 11:53 PM by justin_scott
only similarity between him and tony stark/iron man is that they are both rich geniuses. that's not enough. i'm not trying to be an asshole, but NO.
P.S.---i just saw the last line in your post. i will say this. i can say that it is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE that stan was thinking of batman in someway. iron man WAS NOT a rip off, BUT maybe it's possible that he was at least somewhat inspired by batman. but there's a HUGE difference in being inspired by, and being ripped off of.
62. "Look" In response to Reply # 59 Fri Dec-05-08 12:00 AM by Gemini_Two_One
I may not discuss comics on the daily like some of you, but my collection and knowledge is just as extensive as many of the COTW regulars. I have hundreds of Batman comics, so I know Bruce is not a playboy and I know that the similarities between Batman and Iron Man are subtle at best....but I also know that I am stubborn and when I was young lad the first time I saw Iron Man I thought he was a poor man's Batman and I will hold on to that thought (right or wrong) as long as I live because I have always found DC to be superior over Marvel and will take any jab at them that I can...even if I have to stretch the truth!
50. "RE: i had to laugh when they called her the next big character" In response to Reply # 45
I would have loved to sit in on that marketing meeting.
Joey Q - Hey have you guys seen the great new female Wolverine that they put on the X-Men Evolution cartoon? I know how we can milk this thing. We don't want to miss this chance like DC did with Static. Millions of kids are watching her every Saturday, so I say we introduce her into the comics as a prostitute!
67. "More like a spin off" In response to Reply # 64
the x23s, War Machines, Scarlet Spiders, Thunderstrikes, etc are all spin-off status in my eyes.
Besides if we count x-23 as a rip-off then we have to include Supergirl, Mary Marvel, She-Hulk, Spider Woman, Lady Bullseye and all the other female counterparts of male characters.
75. "she's not a ripoff tho...." In response to Reply # 31
she's just a female wolverine...the idea is along the same lines as Supergirl/boy, Aqualad, ravager, etc...folks just not used to seeing it at Marvel...is Spidergirl a rip off of Spidey?? they clearly show her and Wolvy are alike, she basically his daughter, but he treats her like his sis...
plus, she dope in X force
"yes, sometimes my rhymes are sexist, but you lovely bitches and hos should know i'm tryin to correct it"- hiphopopotamus
61. "and captain marvel bit superman" In response to Reply # 51
but of the 3, miracleman (to me) was by far the better character. yes, i just said miracleman is better than superman (personal opinion). obviously, i wouldn't say this if alan moore hadn't written the first 15 issues (15,16...whatever it was).
54. "RE: Doom Patrol - X-Men" In response to Reply # 52
I always heard that they debuted too close to each other to have been a bite, then again Stan and Jack were known for how fast they could crank out a comic.
60. "this one is interesting" In response to Reply # 52
because they both debuted the same year, but the similarities are so close (doom patrol even had a character in a wheelchair). it's impossible to tell if either one is a rip off without speaking to the creators (and getting honest answers).
Orfeo_Negro Member since Oct 24th 2004 20923 posts
Fri Dec-05-08 09:07 AM
68. "Arnold Drake maintains that Stan ripped him off." In response to Reply # 60
Roy Thomas says that Stan didn't read DC comics and the (established) people at DC didn't read Marvel stuff either.
but there were enough creators flitting back and forth between the two companies and hanging out together at bars for ideas to somehow get exchanged nonetheless...
70. "Radioactive Man vs. Radiation Dude" In response to Reply # 0
"Instead of using Radioactive Man's clever catchphrase "up and atom!" he just says 'up and let's go.'"
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