Just saw that Bill Maher joint.. its cool.. leave your bibles at home though.. many highlights.. including an appearance by Jesus Christ himself two times.. and a member of Melvin and the Blue Notes who is now an ordained pimp... people walked out offended and others laughed.. i liked it as a middle eastern studies major.. but thought he was harsher on islam.. less joke more of really fearful

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i dont think its that bad hes more attacking the followers.. and its the ish that youve known forever thats forefront..

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Wasn't expecting much, because I'm really not a fan of Bill Maher, but I liked it a lot.

I think the film was at it's strongest when it dealt with the general thesis he stated in the beginning: self-fulfilling prophecy is stupid. A lot of people think we're living in the End of Days, and because of that they fuck up the planet and each other and don't take responsibility for their actions, 'cause hey, the world is going to end anyway. I also think he did a good job of pointing out how the idea that "Believing in God is good, because what if you're wrong?" is pretty damn silly. I was a little surprised that the religious figures that seemed to be the most level-headed were two of the Catholics: the Catholic Astronomy expert and that one weird priest he met outside the Vatican. Okay, so that second guy wasn't all that level-headed, but I appreciated his world view.

I have no problem with Maher trying to make some of the people look stupid, such as the Arkansas Senator, the guy from Harold Melvin and hte Blue Notes, the British rapper, the anit-Israel Rabbi who went to Iran to take part in the Holocaust Denial "forum," the guy from PR who's telling his followers that he's Jesus Christ reincarnated, and even the guy who runs the Creationist Museum. These are all guys who are seeking publicity, power, and most often money, so they know what they're getting into and can face the tough questions.

But I felt like he was going out of his way to belittle some people, who, for all intnets and purposes, were just minding their own business until his cameras showed up. I'm thinking of some of the people at the Holy Land theme park or even that poor Ex-Jew for Jesus schlub. A lot of these guys aren't as media saavy as say, Bill Maher, so him making a point ot make them look stupid seemed petty. Some of the "ordinary" folks seemed able to deal with it, particularly the Jesus Truckers or the guy at the Dome of the Rock (who seemed to be really sticking his neck for the crew, and Bill still made it a point to make him look dumb).

So while I liked the overall point of the film, and thought it was entertaining as whole, some of the execution bugged me.

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Whats weird to me is I had the biggest issue with the Jew for Jesus.. I felt like hes just as bad as the rest of the money grubbers out there selling Christ Like Memorabilia for high cost at profit.. but i agree with you when it came to the nobodies.. like the trucker church and whatnot..

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I might pick this up on a rent.

I spent a good chunk of my life reviewing religions, reading conspiracy books focused on the subject, and trying to get a better understanding of everything.

With that said, religion is always "easy" to make fun of. I mean, it's all basically the way you word things, etc...

It's a subject that interests me, but this movie strikes me as Bill Maher putting little effort in soft-shoeing into the picture and just making easy snarks against basic religious beliefs. It's easy prey to snark against religion, let's be honest. It can all be made to sound silly.

I saw him talking to "Jesus", and he just had his trademark smirk on, "So do people recognize you when you go out?"....ha (not really).

Bill could adlib something like this with his eyes closed. It might have funny parts, but is it really fulfilling?

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>silly. I was a little surprised that the religious figures
>that seemed to be the most level-headed were two of the
>Catholics: the Catholic Astronomy expert and that one weird
>priest he met outside the Vatican. Okay, so that second guy
>wasn't all that level-headed, but I appreciated his world
>view.


but yeah poking fun at people who are just minding their own business seems kinda mean spirited. I'll have to wait until I've seen it to say though.

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I realize he can be a great writer, and certainly religion's hazards are a terrific topic for a documentary... but Maher smugly poking fun at people isn't my idea of a good film. Props to him for the subject matter, and trying to do it mainstream... but the trailer made me cringe.

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>I realize he can be a great writer, and certainly religion's
>hazards are a terrific topic for a documentary... but Maher
>smugly poking fun at people isn't my idea of a good film.
>Props to him for the subject matter, and trying to do it
>mainstream... but the trailer made me cringe.

to me bill's always at his worst when he goes in on religion. andrew sullivan was right a couple weeks ago when he accused him of being straight up bigoted at times.

smh

don't be fkn evil.

I know bigot is a pretty nasty word, but it's definition is pretty broadly applicable IMO:

One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

Seems like that definition could include people with viewpoints that are entirely justifiable, no?

I think the real question is whether Bill's approach is counterproductive to what he's trying to accomplish.

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We were extremely surprised to see the stadium theater packed. There were even people standing in the aisles to watch. We thought we'd be the only ones there.

We were pretty happy with the movie. I did completely cringe when the movie opened with a scene from the city I was born in (Raleigh)....and then later had a scene in the city I currently live in (Miami).

The crowd clapped and cheered for the movie when it was over. From what I saw of the crowd, it exceeded expectations.

don't be fkn evil.

First thing Bill Maher you are funny
Second thing Mill Maher you are a fucking prick

I was amused with the overall context of the film, although i saw it as a comedy not a documentary. I have the same problem with this that i have with Michael Moore movies they are cut and paste jobs to make people who don't agree with them look stupid and have you believe there is no other option but to accept that point or be labelled stupid. The last 5 minutes of this movie are ridiculous. Bill Maher's god-like imagery during his five minute diatride of how until we get rid of religion we can't be complete was absolutely retarded. I am an agnostic so could care less about it, but to spend an hour and a half belittling people and then add that piece of shit at the end to make yourself seem all knowing, just shows how big of an ass you are. As for the cut and paste work it was hillarious and made me laugh a lot. Overall though i was kind of disappointed that is was such a serious attempt and he came off looking like the biggest ass, except may the guy from the Creation Museum (anyone else think it was funny he looked like the missing link, someone gorilla faced that man) Good to see for a laugh, if you are going to reaffirm your religous hatred i'd pass, Maher came off as more of a jackass then most.

I might have meant to say Bill Maher you are a fucking prick

he did go hard on the middle east, which was completely out of context with the rest of the movie.

but you gotta admit the whole ice,steam,and water jesus hit him with was amazing.

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I just watched a torrent of this, so late pass me if you must, but I just had to speak out against this film. My first hint that this was going to be a bad movie was the title. I don't know how a so-called comedian, and a 53 year old one at that, still hasn't figured out that puns are lazy writing and not funny. You know how you can tell this was a bad movie? Because this would've been a 1 minute documentary if someone had just said, "Congratulations on being an atheist, Bill. You're a better person than me" That's all he wanted to hear. He didn't make this film to spur debate. He's not challenging the perceptions of religous people or atheists, he's just pandering to people who share his view. This was a vanity project for him. Every religous person he talked to was nice to this guy, with the exception of that one trucker who left the chapel. Meanwhile, he's talking to them like, "You believe in God!?!? Wow, you're so stupid!?!?" And he's supposed to be the morally superior one? I think the most moral person in the entire film was the trucker who left the chapel. He had the right idea. He didn't like what Bill had to say so he stopped listening. Bill could learn a thing or two from that guy. If he doesn't like religion, than don't worship. This isn't a theocracy. No one is forcing him to be religous. He poses all these existential questions about life, but does he speak with religous scholars or intellectuals. No, he talks to truckers, some coon-ass southern minister, a Jesus impersonator, and some fat Colombian who thinks he's the descendent of Jesus. You don't think he could've gotten Cornell West or Minister Farakhan to show up? Somehow he has no problem finding intellectuals on the atheist side. Then he goes after Islam in the most bigoted and racist way and completely gets a pass somehow. He says that most of the time when people die because of a religion it's Islam. Has this guy never heard of the Spanish Inquisition? Funny I mentioned Cornell West because he was actually on Maher's show discussing the same thing and countered Maher's assertion on people dying because of religion by pointing out the millions of people who died at the hands of a fellow atheist, Joseph Stalin. Maher's response: "No, when you get to the level of control Stalin had over people, that basically is a religion" This dumb motherfucker sonned himself by saying atheism is a religion and didn't even realize it. Anyway, this is a horrible movie that shouldn't be bought by anyone and only illegally downloaded from torrents such as the one below.

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agreed with alot of your points. Hitler should be included with Stalin in the analysis of aethiest evil-doings. Religion is not the enemy.

But noone needs this 'pass' you speak of to critisize Islam or the practises of. These racial politics are counter-productive....not to mention inapplicable, to the problems of religious conflict. All genuine viewpoints are fair to express. No 'passes' needed.

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"spiritual but not religious."

Kept what he wanted of his Catholicism, but added in layers of German and Scandinavian pagan mysticism to make it all more exciting.

>"spiritual but not religious."

religion = superstition + tradition

If either of those two components has any value whatsoever, it's tradition. But that's precisely the component that's being rejected by "spiritual but not religious" people.

i grew up in a jewish household
i consider my beliefs "spiritual but not religious"
because i believe in an interconnectedness of everything and the idea of something unexplainable that is higher, and maybe the idea of having a soul, but not any type of biblical god or anything biblical at all

But I do enjoy the traditions of Judaism, the holidays, I just don't actually believe any of it

"spiritual but not religious"

Look this is really all you need to do. Get a dictionary. Go to the "R" section. Look up "redundant"

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And redundant isn't the word you're looking for. Saying something like "I'm currently unavailable at the moment" is an example of redundancy. "Spiritual but not religious" is not only grammatically correct, but a valid, logical statement. Spirituality doesn't have to have anything to do with religion.

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>And redundant isn't the word you're looking for. Saying
>something like "I'm currently unavailable at the moment" is an
>example of redundancy. "Spiritual but not religious" is not
>only grammatically correct, but a valid, logical statement.
>Spirituality doesn't have to have anything to do with
>religion.

Oh, jeepers. Well it looks like I have an opinion and YOU have an opinion

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Which is your opinion? This isn't subjective. The incorrect use of the word redundant, or the fact that, by definition, one does not have to be religious to be spiritual. Neither of those are factually disputable. Therefore my opinion is fact, and yours is not.

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>Which is your opinion? This isn't subjective. The incorrect
>use of the word redundant, or the fact that, by definition,
>one does not have to be religious to be spiritual.

Hello! Then why are religious songs called SPIRITUALS?

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Not all spirtuality has organized religion to it.

Don't let the tail wag the dog.

And that's about all I care to touch in this post.

when I say i'm "spiritual but not religious" all it means to me is I don't subscribe to the beliefs of any organized religion but I believe in the ideas of things being inexplicably interconnected, possibilty of a higher power, mind/body/soul, etc.

If that makes me an asshole, sorry for offending you

>when I say i'm "spiritual but not religious" all it means to
>me is I don't subscribe to the beliefs of any organized
>religion but I believe in the ideas of things being
>inexplicably interconnected, possibilty of a higher power,
>mind/body/soul, etc.
>
>If that makes me an asshole, sorry for offending you

i don't know you, so I ain't tryna knock you or your beliefs personally, but that phrase sounds like sumthin a dumb california white bitch would say

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>If that makes me an asshole, sorry for offending you

He's the clown who should be apologizing to you for A) his fucking horrendous attempt at snark that worked neither as snark nor as a grammar lesson, and B) having the gal to tell you your non-conformity to organized religion conflicts with your spiritual beliefs.

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I don't know what will.

If I had to guess I'd say that you're religious in some sense, and that's why you were offended by the movie. You'll probably tell me that that's not the case, just to say I'm wrong, but for rational non-believers like myself whose heads come near to exploding every time I think about the hypocrisy of organized religion, this movie was finally a point in the right column.

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>If I had to guess I'd say that you're religious in some
>sense, and that's why you were offended by the movie. You'll
>probably tell me that that's not the case, just to say I'm
>wrong, but for rational non-believers like myself whose heads
>come near to exploding every time I think about the hypocrisy
>of organized religion, this movie was finally a point in the
>right column.

Yes, I am religous "in some sense" and wouldn't lie about it just to spite you. Do you seriously think that making a movie in which you're a condescending and pretentious douche bag to ordinary people is a "point in the right column"? You speak of hypocrisy in religion, but you seriously don't see any hypocrisy in atheism? You and I both know that Stalin is just one of many examples of atheism gone wrong. Look, I don't have a problem with atheists. Religion isn't for you, I get it. But it seems to me like most atheists believe that if religion were abolished the world would suddenly become a utopia. You really don't think mankind would find something else to fight over? There are tons of conflicts in the world right now that have nothing to do with religion.

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>Yes, I am religous "in some sense" and wouldn't lie about it
>just to spite you. Do you seriously think that making a movie
>in which you're a condescending and pretentious douche bag to
>ordinary people is a "point in the right column"? You speak of
>hypocrisy in religion, but you seriously don't see any
>hypocrisy in atheism? You and I both know that Stalin is just
>one of many examples of atheism gone wrong. Look, I don't have
>a problem with atheists. Religion isn't for you, I get it. But
>it seems to me like most atheists believe that if religion
>were abolished the world would suddenly become a utopia. You
>really don't think mankind would find something else to fight
>over? There are tons of conflicts in the world right now that
>have nothing to do with religion.

You call it pretentious and condescending. I don't. I would actually argue that most of the people Maher interviewed were pretentious and condescending (religions by definition imply moral superiority over non-believers). They hold their beliefs as certitudes, whereas Maher's position is that its impossible to know, and thereby irrational to impose those beliefs on others.

And I've never ever in my life heard an atheist say any of the shit you just said about atheism. Most atheists I know are intelligent and progressive, see through the obvious farce of ORGANIZATIONAL religion, and believe FIRMLY in being a good person (which is ultimately what life is all about) does not require the bells a whistles of belonging to a cult.

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>And I've never ever in my life heard an atheist say any of the
>shit you just said about atheism. Most atheists I know are
>intelligent and progressive, see through the obvious farce of
>ORGANIZATIONAL religion, and believe FIRMLY in being a good
>person (which is ultimately what life is all about) does not
>require the bells a whistles of belonging to a cult.

WTF are you talking about? That's exactly what Bill Maher said during the last five minutes of the movie! I believe the quote is, "If mankind is to survive, religion must end"

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Do you really think that's what his point was? But wouldn't the world be a better place if everybody's main spiritual focus was trying to live right and be a good person, as opposed to fighting over which religion is superior? That's what you should take away from what he meant by that.

But I'm not really interested in debating sociology and religion with somebody who writes "you lost" as a response.

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>Do you really think that's what his point was? But wouldn't
>the world be a better place if everybody's main spiritual
>focus was trying to live right and be a good person, as
>opposed to fighting over which religion is superior? That's
>what you should take away from what he meant by that.
>
>But I'm not really interested in debating sociology and
>religion with somebody who writes "you lost" as a response.

Who the fuck is you? The Duke of Warwickshire? Nigga, you did LOSE and you just mad cuz kid sonned you. Bill Maher literally does think the world should abolish religion and he's been very adament about that. That was the entire point of the movie. As further proof of what a complete turkey Maher is, I read an interview with him and he actually used the phrase, "honkey, please". Ewwww. Well I'm sorry for disturbing you. Now you can go back to reading Atlas Shrugged by your fireplace in your ascot while smoking a pipe.

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>movie. As further proof of what a complete turkey Maher is, I
>read an interview with him and he actually used the phrase,
>"honkey, please".

Ahhahhhhaahahahahah. Thanks for this.

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>Nigga, you did
>LOSE and you just mad cuz kid sonned you. Bill Maher literally
>does think the world should abolish religion and he's been
>very adament about that. That was the entire point of the
>movie.

Obviously.

What that dude derived from the Maher's point was that the world would become a utopia if religion was abolished, which wasn't the entire point of the movie. It wasn't said or implied...except for when he made a broad statement like "for the survival of mankind" which was what I said wasn't exactly a literal statement (although truthfully it could be)...He doesn't even necessarily hold religion in contempt...he only holds the people that blindly adhere to some bullshit nonsensical hypocritcal views in contempt.

Where he's right, though, is that religion is the prime basis for so much hate and bigotry in this country, that if people could divorce themselves for their hypnosis then alot of the basis for that shit would be gone.

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>He poses all
>these existential questions about life, but does he speak with
>religous scholars or intellectuals. No, he talks to truckers,
>some coon-ass southern minister, a Jesus impersonator, and
>some fat Colombian who thinks he's the descendent of Jesus.

I agree with alot of your points, but he DID talk to a U.S. Senator who wouldnt say he didn't believe there was a talking snake in the garden of eden, and said "You don't have to pass an IQ test to be a senator"
He also talked to that dude from the Human Genome Project who was a world renowned scientist. And I'm not even halfway through the movie yet

>>He poses all
>>these existential questions about life, but does he speak
>with
>>religous scholars or intellectuals. No, he talks to
>truckers,
>>some coon-ass southern minister, a Jesus impersonator, and
>>some fat Colombian who thinks he's the descendent of Jesus.
>
>I agree with alot of your points, but he DID talk to a U.S.
>Senator who wouldnt say he didn't believe there was a talking
>snake in the garden of eden, and said "You don't have to pass
>an IQ test to be a senator"
>He also talked to that dude from the Human Genome Project who
>was a world renowned scientist. And I'm not even halfway
>through the movie yet

Okay, I'll spot you the scientist, but there's no way that hillbilly senator is a scholar or intellectual. So now you brought the count up to 1 smart person he talked to on the religous side.

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George Coyne, from the Vatican Observatory? A thoroughly level-headed man, and presented as such.

Or how about the Vatican priest, Reginald Foster, considered by everyone I know who saw the movie to be the coolest person in it?

>Okay, I'll spot you the scientist, but there's no way that
>hillbilly senator is a scholar or intellectual.

No, but he is a US Senator. Letting the people of Arkansas know what kind of a dullard is representing them is a public service.

>George Coyne, from the Vatican Observatory? A thoroughly
>level-headed man, and presented as such.
>
>Or how about the Vatican priest, Reginald Foster, considered
>by everyone I know who saw the movie to be the coolest person
>in it?

They were both decidely against religion, though. Which brings up another question: how has the Catholic church not fired these guys? I'm not sure how Catholicism works, but it seems like what those guys said is heresy

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how can you dismiss a U.S. Senator as "Just A Hilbily"? That man, who thinks there was a talking snake, represents the entire state of Arkansas politcally (along with another Senator)

>how can you dismiss a U.S. Senator as "Just A Hilbily"? That
>man, who thinks there was a talking snake, represents the
>entire state of Arkansas politcally (along with another
>Senator)

Wait. Hold on. You mean to tell me that the residents of a state in the south ain't that smart? LOL. So an elected official can't be a hillbilly? What about Bill Clinton? Who knows, maybe it's just Arkansas

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Thought it was well-done and entertaining without being overtly obnoxious. He seemed more toned down (hard to believe) than he is on his show.

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B/c I'm a huge fan of Bill Mahar and think his show is one of the best political shows on tv. He actually discusses real topics a lot of the time and doesn't feel a need to always make it funny when things are going serious for a moment (One of the things the biggest faults of the Daily Show imo).

Having said that I think this film was a waste of time. Like a previous poster said he doesn't really get into debates he merely gets each representative to state their beliefs and kinda pokes fun at them. There are some interesting and productive moments in the movies such as when Bill discusses he experiences with spirituality in his adult life.

I think Bill and the filmmaker were trying to Michael Moore religion but it never had much direction or real conflict so it kinda fell flat.

like, he had a lighter in his hand, and he was all red-eyed and shit.

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>at home though.. many highlights.. including an appearance by
>Jesus Christ himself two times.. and a member of Melvin and
>the Blue Notes who is now an ordained pimp... people walked
>out offended and others laughed.. i liked it as a middle
>eastern studies major.. but thought he was harsher on islam..
>less joke more of really fearful



He seems like the type of yt that was from a bible belt state, moved out to the big city, and now hates everything about Christianity.

He did go in on Islam a bit, but the whole movie was basically about his hate for the Christian church

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>He seems like the type of yt that was from a bible belt state,
>moved out to the big city, and now hates everything about
>Christianity.
>
>He did go in on Islam a bit, but the whole movie was basically
>about his hate for the Christian church


haven't seen it yet, but he's talked about how he mostly focuses on christianity because that's the source of the religious nuts in THIS country. he finds it pointless to make fun of scientologists and others cause he doesn't see them as any more ridiculous than the extreme christians and they have a lot less say in how things run in this country.

I laughed throughout. Religulous is not really a thinking man's movie but it is effective in pointing out the hypocrisy of organized religion. Despite what others have said he does not paint with a broad brush. The beliefs presented in the film really cannot be viewed as fringe, examples,
J. Cummings the preacher pimp
Creflo Dollar, Rev. Ike (preached the gospel of get mo')there are many other and they have millions of followers. Y'all know about Sweet Daddy Grace, lol.

Jews for Jesus, Kathy Lee Gifford. The guy who started the Holy Land theme park is a jew who converted to christianity. There is a whole list on wikipedia.

Mormons and Scientologist are in almost every country now. They both have followers in the milliions

jews against Isreal
Jews againstzionism.com

You get my point. I also disagree with the statements about Bill making people look stupid.

My only beef with the film is that i wished he would have tackled Christianity via using actual text of the bible.
For instance He could have spoken on the fact that Megiddo is not even mentioned in revelation. Even though the film was nowhere as through as it should have been folk should still watch and research the subjecy matter for themselves.
Grade B

I loved this movie
It made me laugh and hopefully people will not take themselves so seriously that they cannot have intelligent conversations about the points that he made
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