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ricky_BUTLER
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"Trailer for Charlie Kaufman's latest mindfuck: Synecdoche, New York."


          

And it's his directorial debut.

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809873025/trailer

Hmm . . . at some of these line-readings (Lynchian?).

Alternate reality (c) A.O. Scott

That seems accurate.

  

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he hired every weirdly attractive white women in film for that
Sep 18th 2008
1
I didn't see Tilda Swinton in the trailer
Sep 18th 2008
2
      JJL is more attractive and weird than weirdly attractive
Sep 18th 2008
3
Hmmmmm. Yeah, we'll see.
Sep 18th 2008
4
That trailer made me feel ways about stuff.
Sep 18th 2008
5
lol
Sep 18th 2008
7
Wasnt he makin that movie that Cage was makin in Adaptaion??
Sep 18th 2008
6
nick cage played Charlie Kaufman in that movie
Oct 03rd 2008
23
      fair enought, my question still stands
Oct 24th 2008
29
dope.
Sep 18th 2008
8
Charlie Kaufman's Ikiru
Sep 18th 2008
9
Interesting comparison. I think if you get deep into S.N.Y...
Oct 28th 2008
42
I'll be seeing this
Sep 18th 2008
10
I dont mess with him like that....
Sep 18th 2008
11
I've never been so amazed by a trailer.
Sep 19th 2008
12
of course you haven't....it's prolly the coolest thing you ever saw
Sep 19th 2008
14
This is at the top of the list
Sep 19th 2008
13
Saw it... whoa, nellie... (ABSOLUTELY NO SPOILERS WHATSOEVER)
Oct 03rd 2008
15
Dude, you know I'm jealous as shit right now.
Oct 03rd 2008
16
hmm, I love all the things you mentioned EXCEPT for Lynch
Oct 03rd 2008
17
Yes.
Oct 03rd 2008
18
      I also like dark
Oct 03rd 2008
22
      thanks
Dec 03rd 2008
68
i had a feeling like that
Oct 03rd 2008
24
looks dope
Oct 03rd 2008
19
Seeing it today in Rio...
Oct 03rd 2008
20
No.
Oct 03rd 2008
21
RIO???? *jealous den a muhphugg*
Nov 14th 2008
54
whoa!
Oct 04th 2008
25
Saw this last nite w/ a Charlie *cough* man Q&A afterwards
Oct 24th 2008
26
That's odd, because I wanted to slit my wrists afterward
Oct 24th 2008
27
      And that's how I felt about Eternal Sunshine even tho I liked it
Oct 24th 2008
28
      i felt the same way
Oct 26th 2008
32
SIH-NECK-DOH-KEY
Oct 24th 2008
30
i'm there.
Oct 24th 2008
31
i was mindfucked with no vaseline.
Oct 27th 2008
33
      As far as when to laugh & when not to laugh
Oct 27th 2008
34
           I laughed HARD when they said they had to...*spoilers*
Oct 27th 2008
38
                I laughed HARD when apparently he forgot how to eat & swallow
Oct 28th 2008
44
Dark, difficult, depressing....
Oct 27th 2008
35
Wow. Really liked it.
Oct 27th 2008
36
Okay, here goes: (*spoilers aplenty*)
Oct 27th 2008
37
one more question... (*spoilers*)
Oct 28th 2008
39
RE: one more question... (*spoilers*)
Oct 28th 2008
46
about the burning house
Oct 28th 2008
40
okay, now I gotta figure out how those lines relate to Caden.
Oct 28th 2008
41
re: burning house
Oct 28th 2008
43
comments
Oct 28th 2008
45
RE: comments
Oct 28th 2008
47
When PSH is sitting in the car outside Hazel's house . . .
Nov 16th 2008
58
Charlie Kaufman on The Bat Segundo Show (link)
Oct 29th 2008
48
LOL, Charlie sonning Bat.
Oct 29th 2008
49
*ahem*
Nov 11th 2008
50
yay for all the cleavage shots
Nov 14th 2008
51
Yeah I had no idea Samantha Morton had a shelf like that
Nov 14th 2008
52
The Pastor @ the end
Nov 14th 2008
53
Was that after the female voiceover or before?
Nov 14th 2008
55
      before
Nov 15th 2008
57
Twas right after the birth of her child, so she was carrying the baby
May 11th 2009
77
indeed
May 31st 2009
79
im still mad that this movie isn't showing anywhere in my area.
Nov 15th 2008
56
There are enough ideas in this movie for ten movies.
Nov 23rd 2008
59
I agree on the life-affirming thing
Mar 19th 2009
75
the music was reley good
Nov 23rd 2008
60
Let's talk about Dianne Wiest's character.
Nov 23rd 2008
61
This is my main issue with Kaufman
Nov 23rd 2008
62
I see what you're saying.
Nov 23rd 2008
63
      Not really.
Nov 23rd 2008
64
She seemed God-like, or at least an Angel of Death
Nov 23rd 2008
65
Interesting.
Nov 23rd 2008
66
No.
Dec 03rd 2008
73
aw man so do i
Dec 03rd 2008
69
      RE: aw man so do i
Dec 03rd 2008
71
I never thought about her being a mental invention for Caden
Dec 03rd 2008
70
      Word, lol, I've been meaning to see it again too.
Dec 03rd 2008
72
Just saw this
Dec 03rd 2008
67
I watched this today and my head still hurts.
Mar 11th 2009
74
My thoughts on Sammy and the Burning House...
Mar 20th 2009
76
well, pretty dope
May 19th 2009
78
interesting, but I wouldn't want to see it again
May 31st 2009
80
i was looking for this thread a few weeks back....
Jun 01st 2009
81
caught this not too long ago...VERY good movie...
Jun 01st 2009
82
I hated it
Jul 28th 2009
83
my head hurts.
Aug 04th 2009
84
Just saw it on OnDemand...
Oct 12th 2009
85
*hires an actor to play me watching this movie*
Oct 13th 2009
86

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1. "he hired every weirdly attractive white women in film for that"
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2. "I didn't see Tilda Swinton in the trailer"
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The text on the side lists her as "starring" but she's not on the IMDB page for it either. Is it possible that the casting... theme you've identified was so prevalent that she was just assumed to be in it? Because as soon as you said "weirdly attractive women" (and the Charlie Kaufman-ness was already known) the first names that popped into my head were Catherine Keener and Tilda Swinton. Am I missing her somewhere?

I think that Jennifer Jason Leigh is less weird than actually attractive, but that might just be the exception that proves the rule here.

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3. "JJL is more attractive and weird than weirdly attractive"
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4. "Hmmmmm. Yeah, we'll see."
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6. "Wasnt he makin that movie that Cage was makin in Adaptaion??"
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23. "nick cage played Charlie Kaufman in that movie"
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9. "Charlie Kaufman's Ikiru"
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I'm watching.

  

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42. "Interesting comparison. I think if you get deep into S.N.Y..."
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...it's way different than Ikiru. A couple of similar themes/elements, though.

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Even if it's only because of my Samantha Morton mandate

  

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I put him in the same basket as Fincher.....


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12. "I've never been so amazed by a trailer."
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Crazy Charlie Kaufman plot + Phillip Seymour Hoffman + Jon Brion music= Must See


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Will see in the theaters 100%. Blindness is probably the only movie I'm as excited for.

  

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15. "Saw it... whoa, nellie... (ABSOLUTELY NO SPOILERS WHATSOEVER)"
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Now, I will say this: if you're the type who can't wrap their heads around a non-linear, almost dreamlike narrative, then I suggest you STAY THE FUCK AWAY... and I MEAN that shit, yo... don't roll up in the theater on some "I'ma show Zoo" steeze, then come back here doing backflips to show how above this "pretentious bullshit" you are... YOU WILL NOT BE HAPPY WITH THIS FILM, there's just no way around it, and no one's going to waste their time (I hope) arguing with you about it...

But if you appreciate the "plot structures" of films like 8 1/2, All That Jazz, almost all of the films of David Lynch, and even the "dark" third act of Kaufman's own Adaptation., then do some mind calisthenics and check it out... but again, be warned: it is one odd and dark duck of a film, and that's saying something, considering the source...

Longo, my dude, I REALLY want to get your reaction to this... my feelings as of now are EXTREMELY mixed...
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17. "hmm, I love all the things you mentioned EXCEPT for Lynch"
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whom I pretty wholly despise.

is this movie still for me?

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18. "Yes."
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But I cannot stress it enough... it's not as funny as Adaptation. or Being John Malkovich... it's "weird," but not endearingly weird as Eternal Sunshine... it's prit-tay, prit-tay dark...
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so I'm stickin.

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68. "thanks"
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>But I cannot stress it enough... it's not as funny as
>Adaptation. or Being John Malkovich... it's "weird," but not
>endearingly weird as Eternal Sunshine... it's prit-tay,
>prit-tay dark...



without the endearing aspect
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24. "i had a feeling like that"
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esp. toward the end of the trailer when i could tell that the movie looks like it can be very dark and sad. I can't wait to see this film.

  

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i will be peeping

  

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part of the Rio Film festival....has it opened in the US yet?

  

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> has it opened in the US yet?
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25. "whoa!"
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saw it earlier this afternoon...been thinking about it since.
I think I will need a few days to marinate on it to tell how I really feel about it.

it's def not for everybody.
but for the people who like these kind of films, it will def stay on your mind long after you leave the theater, which to me, automatically gives it some degree of classic status.

I can def see why Charlie Kaufman directed this film...no other director could have actualized this story the way he wrote it....this had to be made by him on all levels.

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26. "Saw this last nite w/ a Charlie *cough* man Q&A afterwards"
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And I thought Spike Lee's Miracle @ St. Anna was ambitious.

Whoa.

This was obviously of course on a whole 'notha level & I'm still takin it in as I type this. I didn't know much about this movie goin in & didn't even view the trailer for it. I remember the 1st time I saw Being John Malkovich it instantly became my favorite movie. Over the years it lost a lot of its luster but I still check out CK's works no matter what. Immediately after seeing this I felt a need to watch Adaptation again. There's a certain similarity between the two films that I think might help me understand both of them better.

This is the most emotional film I've seen in I dont know how long. It's dark & morbid but it never felt depressing. It deals with death but that's a reality of life & this film shows how 1 man (PSH as Caden Cotard in another great performance) handles facing the inevitable. In the same way Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind forced you to think about current & past relationships, Synecdoche forces you to think about both these & your family, & regrets, & loneliness, & I'm sure a whole lot of other things specific to each individual. Kaufman stated that he does not see himself as Caden Cotard per se. But that he does see a lot of himself in Caden. And I did as well. And it really had an alarming affect on me.

I'm fascinated by the fact that Charlie Kaufman & Spike Jonze were approached by Sony to make a horror flick & that this is the idea they came up with. There are some scary notions here but they're handled in such a way that is ultimately comforting & concludes with 1 of the best endings ever.

For his enormous talents, Charlie Kaufman comes across as an extremely humble guy. It'll be interesting to see whether or not he continues to direct his own works from now. Chalk up an L for Clooney not including him in the creative process behind Confessions of a Dangerous Mind.

  

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27. "That's odd, because I wanted to slit my wrists afterward"
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It really is a heavy and thoughtful (and imo, depressing) meditation on life, death, and how each can be related to creativity

Like, it seriously made me question why I'm doing what the hell it is I'm doing

I enjoyed Hoffman's performance but I just thought the movie as a whole just... droned... on... and on... (like life?)

My feelings are still mixed on it... I think there's a lot to chew on, stuff that takes multiple viewings to understand... but I'm not so sure I want to go back and put myself through it again...

And did Kaufman apologize in advance for what you were about to see, like he did for our screening?
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28. "And that's how I felt about Eternal Sunshine even tho I liked it"
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I think ultimately it depends on your state of mind at the time & other surrounding factors going on in your life. I know I was going through a bad break up at the time Eternal Sunshine came out & I could barely even get through it. I wasn't in the greatest mood before I went to see Synecdoche but I left feeling a lot better about the way things are in my life right now even though I wish things could be much better.

>It really is a heavy and thoughtful (and imo, depressing)
>meditation on life, death, and how each can be related to
>creativity
>
>Like, it seriously made me question why I'm doing what the
>hell it is I'm doing

It made me content with the fact that I'm not able to make a living being able to express myself in a creative manner. Which could be depressing if I decided to look on that way but it almost forced me to take the glass half full approach instead.

>I enjoyed Hoffman's performance but I just thought the movie
>as a whole just... droned... on... and on... (like life?)

It did & at times I felt the urge to glance at my watch, but for such an epic story, I felt he handled the pacing pretty well with it being his 1st time directing. As soon as it started to drag, it quickly started back up with a new idea to mull over.

>My feelings are still mixed on it... I think there's a lot to
>chew on, stuff that takes multiple viewings to understand...
>but I'm not so sure I want to go back and put myself through
>it again...

Yeah that's how I felt about Eternal Sunshine & I was able to appreciate it more on subsequent viewings.

>And did Kaufman apologize in advance for what you were about
>to see, like he did for our screening?

Naw. The only time I've attended a screening where that happened was when Darren Aronofsky did it for The Fountain. Kaufman didn't speak til after it was over & was very bashful about receiving a moderator-instructed applause from the audience. He was really uncomfortable about it & only wanted "props" if we felt the movie truly moved us. I assured him afterwards that it certainly did in my case.

  

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32. "i felt the same way"
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though i think i liked it more and felt less depressed about it all. i found it to be more about the creative process than about life, per se, but yeah, still trying to digest it all...

  

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30. "SIH-NECK-DOH-KEY"
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just to let ya'll know how to pronounce it when you buy the ticket

  

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31. "i'm there."
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33. "i was mindfucked with no vaseline."
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man fears death. man's fear of death keeps him from living. man makes art about living for a living, but man can't make art about life because he's not living. art becomes man's life. man lives life as art as his art becomes his life until his death completes the art that he lived his life trying to make while trying to live.

and that wasn't even the most confusing part. no, what was truly confusing was that this movie was hilariously ironic all the time and yet emotionally earnest all the time. i had absolutely no idea whether i wanted to, or was meant to laugh or...not laugh.

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34. "As far as when to laugh & when not to laugh"
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That was a tough balance for me as well. I mean there's certainly some intentionally humorous moments that are meant to be laughed at. But there were several others where half the theater would be laughing & the other half is looking at all those people disgusted at them for doing so.


The best examples I can think of where this happened was...*POSSIBLE SPOILERS*...





...during his sezuire & the montage of his daughter dying at the age of 4. The latter scene is still trippin me out right now. I think I get what he was trying to convey with that but it was still disturbing as hell. Strangely enough I was less disturbed when the daughter in the hospital bed dies & the dead rose petal falls off her arm. For me, the way that death & his was handled at the end was very well done & helped take the sadness factor out of it.

  

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38. "I laughed HARD when they said they had to...*spoilers*"
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...fill the casket with cotton balls because the body was too small and would move around if they didn't. I think I was the only one in the theatre that saw a very darkly comedic side to this film.

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44. "I laughed HARD when apparently he forgot how to eat & swallow"
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>...fill the casket with cotton balls because the body was too
>small and would move around if they didn't. I think I was the
>only one in the theatre that saw a very darkly comedic side to
>this film.

The way the casket wobbled on the way down was kinda funny as well

  

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35. "Dark, difficult, depressing...."
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I mean all the hallmarks of quality were there; writing, acting, soundtrack, etc. I was engaged and interested the whole time but this movie was just relentlessly, almost brutally sad. In that sense it reminded me more of "Magnolia" than "Eternal Sunshine" or other Kaufman stuff. I thought there was alot of depth to the film and he did have poignant moments but it seemed to lack the unifying concept that could have made this a great film. It left me with the same feeling as "Magnolia" = I already knew life was hard/miserable. I think Kaufman is very talented but this one didn't resonate with me and like another poster said I may be able to pick up more on a repeat viewing but I can't imagine putting myself through it for at least 2 years.

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36. "Wow. Really liked it."
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I have a bunch of different theories. I'm gonna read some interpretations and come back.

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37. "Okay, here goes: (*spoilers aplenty*)"
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My somewhat final interpretation of everything as a whole is that Caden Cotard was a narcissist and the bulk of his probems were self-induced. The sickness, especially. Here you have a 30-40-something year-old who is already bracing himself for death. He was extremely disconnected with almost every individual he came in contact with, until the very end, the day Sammy committed suicide and Hazel died.

BTW, can anyone make heads or tails of what the deal with the burning house was all about? I assumed fire meant danger, but by the end of the film, Hazel seemed to be the only person who Caden was ever happy with. What was the significance of the death being caused by smoke inhalation? Since the house was burning when she bought it, could that mean that she sort of identified with Caden's fear of death from an early age?

Speaking of Hazel, the character Sammy was a very interesting one. I felt that he represented Caden's conscience. Once Sammy killed himself, there goes Caden's self-depreciation and over analyzation and he is able to enjoy simple pleasures like sex, without crying and finally feeling connected to another human being. Keep in mind, Sammy was in the bedroom with Caden's second daughter on his lap when Caden got the call that his father died, also on the cover of a magazine and told Caden that he's been following him for some time.

Now, let's talk about Adele, the maid and Caden. Why would Caden assume the identity of a female maid and enter a fake universe of sorts? I think he wrote those letters to himself. He assumed the identity of a female perhaps because Adele was a lesbian and he felt the only way he could win her affection back was to "become" a female.

Other interpretations I had for the film was that everyone, every actor in that soundstage was absolutely nuts. I mean, who would spent that many years working on this thing? It could just be another case of misery loves company, but the struck me odd they held on for so long. I loved the surreal aspects of the film, reminded me a little of Luis Bunuel. There are so many little details that if you blink, you miss 'em -- but you can tell there's a lot of work put into the film and there's definitely going to be a whole bunch of stuff I didn't catch the first time. The way the film flowed was perfect, I was not bored at any point...but I did begin to feel restless in the last 20 minutes (that's the point, though)...like Zootown said, it begins to plod on and on, like life, indeed.

Phillip Seymour Hoffman, who I like, but in general I feel is highly overrated, easily gave his best preformance ever. This was was a little bit of Mulholland Drive meets a little bit of Citizen Kane, in my honest estimation. I could go on more, but I'm gonna stop now and check back in again later. I think Ike Moses got it right, that's the most simple and concrete "explanation" or synopsis I've read so far.

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39. "one more question... (*spoilers*)"
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...at some point, a character, maybe the therapist, slips up and tells Caden he killed himself, then "corrects" herself and says something different. Is it possible Caden is dead through the majority of the film? I don't think so, but what was the significance of the scene?

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46. "RE: one more question... (*spoilers*)"
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>...at some point, a character, maybe the therapist, slips up
>and tells Caden he killed himself, then "corrects" herself and
>says something different.

Do you remember what she said afterwards?

Is it possible Caden is dead through
>the majority of the film? I don't think so, but what was the
>significance of the scene?

I think it is possible. I got the feeling that 1 of his "sicknesess" might've gotten the best of him at some point or put him in a coma or something. Many moments of the film seem to be him reflecting back on the way things could've gone but apparently it was too late. It sort of reminded me of when Tony Soprano got shoot & started having all those dreams. Like he was stuck in between life & death in purgatory.

  

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40. "about the burning house"
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when Hazel is buying she mentions being interested in the house, but has her concerns about dying in the fire. haha.

the real estate agent says something to the matter of, buying a house is scary for everybody and choosing how to die is one of the most important things we can do.

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41. "okay, now I gotta figure out how those lines relate to Caden."
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I'm telling ya'll, this is a deep-ass movie/puzzle. Yay for brain food.

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43. "re: burning house"
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i thought it portended the ultimate inexorable failure of hazel and caden, that even before it started it was bound to not work out. kind of like being on a sinking ship. she buys the house, knowing full well it's on fire, but goes ahead and does it anyway.

maybe life in general is a burning house, where in the end, it's going to burn down anyway? our mortality is no different than a house thats just waiting to burn down

  

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45. "comments"
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>BTW, can anyone make heads or tails of what the deal with the
>burning house was all about? I assumed fire meant danger, but
>by the end of the film, Hazel seemed to be the only person who
>Caden was ever happy with. What was the significance of the
>death being caused by smoke inhalation? Since the house was
>burning when she bought it, could that mean that she sort of
>identified with Caden's fear of death from an early age?

I got the feeling that the house represented purgatory in a way. There was a weird dream like way the scene was shot while she was driving to the house. And then once she got inside she knew she was facing death there but decided to move into it anyway. I dont know if it was suppose to show her coming to grips with the inevitable but that's what I got out of it.

>Speaking of Hazel, the character Sammy was a very interesting
>one. I felt that he represented Caden's conscience. Once Sammy
>killed himself, there goes Caden's self-depreciation and over
>analyzation and he is able to enjoy simple pleasures like sex,
>without crying and finally feeling connected to another human
>being. Keep in mind, Sammy was in the bedroom with Caden's
>second daughter on his lap when Caden got the call that his
>father died, also on the cover of a magazine and told Caden
>that he's been following him for some time.

They also showed him at the very begining as soon as Caden walks out of his house. He's the guy across the street but I think maybe they only showed the back of his head. I thought he was just a nosey neighbor or som'n

>Now, let's talk about Adele, the maid and Caden. Why would
>Caden assume the identity of a female maid and enter a fake
>universe of sorts? I think he wrote those letters to himself.
>He assumed the identity of a female perhaps because Adele was
>a lesbian and he felt the only way he could win her affection
>back was to "become" a female.

Either that or it was just showing his feminine side. There was also the rumors about his homosexuality that his daughter made him admit to before she died.

>Other interpretations I had for the film was that everyone,
>every actor in that soundstage was absolutely nuts. I mean,
>who would spent that many years working on this thing? It
>could just be another case of misery loves company, but the
>struck me odd they held on for so long.

It was like they were in the same boat as Caden where they're so passoinate about a project that they end up missin out on other things in life. The dude that kept changing his walk & talk cracked me up.

I loved the surreal
>aspects of the film, reminded me a little of Luis Bunuel.
>There are so many little details that if you blink, you miss
>'em -- but you can tell there's a lot of work put into the
>film and there's definitely going to be a whole bunch of stuff
>I didn't catch the first time. The way the film flowed was
>perfect, I was not bored at any point...but I did begin to
>feel restless in the last 20 minutes (that's the point,
>though)...like Zootown said, it begins to plod on and on, like
>life, indeed.

Yeah I got that feeling as well.

>Phillip Seymour Hoffman, who I like, but in general I feel is
>highly overrated, easily gave his best preformance ever. This
>was was a little bit of Mulholland Drive meets a little bit of
>Citizen Kane, in my honest estimation. I could go on more, but
>I'm gonna stop now and check back in again later. I think Ike
>Moses got it right, that's the most simple and concrete
>"explanation" or synopsis I've read so far.

Ike Moses?

  

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47. "RE: comments"
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>It was like they were in the same boat as Caden where they're
>so passoinate about a project that they end up missin out on
>other things in life. The dude that kept changing his walk &
>talk cracked me up.

LOL, yeah. I wish he had more screen time.

>Ike Moses?

he's another poster in the thread.

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58. "When PSH is sitting in the car outside Hazel's house . . ."
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There is a guy on the radio relaying a couple pieces of news. The first one is about a fire in Schenectady and how police are suspecting it's arson.

The second story is about some drug company that produced arthirits medicine that was found to fuck with your chromosomes in some manner (don't remember the exact explanation).

Of course Kaufman is still dealing in the world of metaphors with the fire and Caden as Ellen, but it was interesting that he also tried to throw in these logical explanations for why things could become how they did. Some premediatated act of violence eventually leads to Hazel's death, and Caden's physical and mental deteoriation is brought on by his constant need to self-medicate.

  

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48. "Charlie Kaufman on The Bat Segundo Show (link)"
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http://www.edrants.com/segundo/charlie-kaufman-bss-243/
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49. "LOL, Charlie sonning Bat."
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50. "*ahem*"
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51. "yay for all the cleavage shots"
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The film was hard to watch in some places, but I liked it.

Not being up on all of that cinema stuff, I can say that the whole experience reminded me of Andy Kaufman - in that Chuck was playing with my whole concept of what a movie is.

Messing with conventions, very meta.

That said, as much as I liked the final speech, it almost seems like a copout to spell out/tie up the entire movie like that.

  

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52. "Yeah I had no idea Samantha Morton had a shelf like that"
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Emily Watson was a nice surprise as well

>The film was hard to watch in some places, but I liked it.
>
>Not being up on all of that cinema stuff, I can say that the
>whole experience reminded me of Andy Kaufman - in that Chuck
>was playing with my whole concept of what a movie is.
>
>Messing with conventions, very meta.
>
>That said, as much as I liked the final speech, it almost
>seems like a copout to spell out/tie up the entire movie like
>that.

How was it spelled out? It's been awhile since I saw it so I don't remember. Are you talking about the the female voice that ends her speech saying, "Die"? Or was there something after that?

  

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53. "The Pastor @ the end"
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55. "Was that after the female voiceover or before?"
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weight, and it was lookin good.

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79. "indeed"
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English breasts were well represented. and the preacher's speech was too much.

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56. "im still mad that this movie isn't showing anywhere in my area."
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or near it for that matter

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59. "There are enough ideas in this movie for ten movies."
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I'll be asking loads of questions and putting them up for discussion later. But I'd LOVE to see this movie again. It was outrageously funny, emotionally complex, insanely ambitious, and I actually found it to be far more life-affirming than depressing when it all comes down to it.

But yeah, I loved this movie. One of my favorite of the year.

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75. "I agree on the life-affirming thing"
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It is, like some said above, Kaufman's Ikiru--a call to live now.

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60. "the music was reley good"
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jon brion is da man

i can appreciate the ingenuity, the creativity and the ideas in this film, but i really was not as enthusiastic as a lot of u in here. I saw a lot of parallel themes that were in his other films. adaptation is still my favorite. i think it did a great job dealing with a lot of the themes from this movie in a much better, infinitely more watchable way.

i must say that the set of the play was amazing tho. and i love the idea of a character like Sammy.

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61. "Let's talk about Dianne Wiest's character."
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Scratch that-- let's start with Ellen. Is this subplot real? Or at least, real in the sense that it happened and was not a creation of Caden's mind or direction? While watching the film, I wondered if, through examining his wife's painting, he inadvertently created this part of his life, so in the end, when he becomes Ellen, he's not even portraying a real-life person within his art, he's portraying his art within his art. If that makes sense.

Then, let's talk about the final voiceover, and her ability to seemingly tie the play together (in the beautifully written funeral scene) in a way that neither Caden nor Sammy were able to. Is this because she had her eyes focused outward, whereas Caden and Sammy both had their eyes focused on Caden? What exactly happened in this stage at the end? Did everyone die because, well, everyone dies? Did Caden kill them all? Does an artist in way prevent the human instruments of their art from truly living their own lives anyhow? What is the revelance of meeting Ellen's mom at the end? Why does Olive insist on making her father admit to homosexuality? What is the relevance to all of the characters' own mixed-up sexual preferences, both within gender and across genders?

There are so many interesting ideas in this film. Any one of these ideas could really have their own movie. It's so refreshing to see a movie where the writer clearly wishes he could find a way to fit every single idea bubbling inside of him into 2 hours, as opposed to taking a simple concept ("man makes play about his life, it spins out of control") into a simple Adam Sandler-esque comedy. Can you imagine if Charlie Kaufman had written the film Click?


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62. "This is my main issue with Kaufman"
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>It's so
>refreshing to see a movie where the writer clearly wishes he
>could find a way to fit every single idea bubbling inside of
>him into 2 hours, as opposed to taking a simple concept ("man
>makes play about his life, it spins out of control") into a
>simple Adam Sandler-esque comedy.

To me that isn't great screenwriting. I don't want someone clearly wishing he could find a way to do something (and ultimately failing IMO). I'd rather see them tackle a portion and finish the job. I think Jones and Gondry make him a better writer because they take his work and focus it.

I enjoyed Synecdoche but, to me, the comment "There are so many interesting ideas in this film. Any one of these ideas could really have their own movie" is more criticism than praise.

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63. "I see what you're saying."
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But I've loved messes of movies before, I'll prolly do it again, and this one qualifies.

Care to tackle any of my questions?

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64. "Not really."
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>Care to tackle any of my questions?

When the movie ended, I was done with it. I didn't want to examine it any further. I know there are questions, I'm sure there are answers (unlike Richard Kelly's work), but I don't really have any interest in either.

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65. "She seemed God-like, or at least an Angel of Death"
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I don't remember much about the flick, except for details such as that one

But I do remember thinking that she reminded me of the Jessica Lange character in All That Jazz, but Diane had more dialogue

Also, I just love Diane Wiest in general
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So does that mean Caden is the Angel of Death? Or perhaps, the Angel of Not-Life?

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69. "aw man so do i"
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>I don't remember much about the flick, except for details
>such as that one
>
>But I do remember thinking that she reminded me of the Jessica
>Lange character in All That Jazz, but Diane had more dialogue
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>Also, I just love Diane Wiest in general




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71. "RE: aw man so do i"
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>>I don't remember much about the flick, except for details
>>such as that one
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>>But I do remember thinking that she reminded me of the
>Jessica
>>Lange character in All That Jazz, but Diane had more
>dialogue
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>>Also, I just love Diane Wiest in general
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>
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>is it worth it to see it for her?

Not really. She doesn't appear til the very end & doesn't have a ton of screen time even then.

  

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70. "I never thought about her being a mental invention for Caden"
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My take on that ... it's hard to say, obviously ... I think he was just coming to realize that he was still chasing after his first wife (Kathryn Keener -- can't remember the character name right now), and that he was trying to clean up after her, and he felt a bit like the jilted house wife in the relationship because he was living his life abandoned, lonely, and obsessed and she had run out like the rockstar husband to fame and fortune, so he invented this maid persona for himself.

Plus there was some bit about switching genders somewhere in there, I forget where exactly, and I think Ellen in part was an imagining of himself as a woman. Obviously that became heavy-handed at the end, but it wasn't just that she was replacing him as the play director, she was the female version of himself, and I think he decided that the female version of himself would know better how to do things, would know how to take care of him and what he needed, like every man needs a maid, like Neil Young said, but in this instance he WAS the made to Kathryn Keener, so he was working through that ... if that makes any sense.

I dunno -- I watched it over a week ago now, and obviously it's already a little hazy. I walked out fully intending to let it sink in, then going to see it again to try and pull more from it.

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72. "Word, lol, I've been meaning to see it again too."
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Hopefully next week, before the rush of Milk/Slumdog/other Oscar bait hits my hometown.

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67. "Just saw this"
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I love Kaufman but this was just a mess of ideas and thoughts that never lined up for me. Like the set and acting but the story was disjointed with no clear theme. Some may like that ubt not me

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74. "I watched this today and my head still hurts."
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I'm surprised that I enjoyed it.

My favorite part of it was the burning house. It's a big commitment choosing how you die.

  

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76. "My thoughts on Sammy and the Burning House..."
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If you pay close attention, Sammy is in the film long before he makes himself known to Caden. I didn't see him until the second viewing though. When Caden goes to the mailbox, Sammy is standing across the street. And Sammy is also standing in an alleyway (or corner) in the scene where Caden is walking with his first daughter.

Sammy is two things to this movie: he's physically Caden's stalker and he's also a representation of Caden's over-analytical side. Like someone else said earlier, notice how Caden doesn't analyze things nearly as much once Sammy dies.

And now for the burning house....keep in mind I'm still wrapping my head around this one. The burning house is more or less a metaphor for Hazel's relationship with Caden. The same time she buys the house is the same time she first becomes interested in Caden, knowing the risks involved (married, too committed to his work). I don't think it really relates to Caden but I could be wrong.

  

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78. "well, pretty dope"
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first and foremost, it was much more enjoyable than any other 'mind fuck' film i've seen before with multiple realities etc.

anyway, on a basic level the film is a character with a dysfunctional family life, whose wive leaves him, triggering an emotional journey expressed through surreal scenes rather than normal drama (like... all the physical maladies he has in response to emotional problems. he has a fit because of the hurt of his wife hanging up the phone on him. he doesn't know what she's up to, partying in europe, then reads about her in some glamour magazine, while in a surreal nightmarish hospital that reflects how uncared for he feels, etc.)

on a 'explain this film in one sentence' level: it's a theatre director who makes a play about his own life, the play takes over his life, and eventually he becomes an extra in his own play, meaning he's an extra in his own life.'

the overall theme being the passivity of people in these modern times. he's supposed to 'direct' ie. control, but ends up powerless and directed by outside forces, having failed to achieve anything he wanted.

notice how utterly grounded in reality/normality the first few scenes are: a family home, parents doing unpleasant parenting duties, lacking in any movie-star charisma, listening to the news and reading headlines over breakfast. then he has an accident, and crucially,

- his pupils stop dilating

what does this mean? his eyes still perceive the world, they just don't REACT to it. he's becoming passive, and from there, everything slips away from him, including reality itself as the daughter & wife leave and the scenes become increasingly surreal.

the play had to go on for 30 years or whatever cause it's not just him wasting his time/life, it's all the actors too. they are extras in the play but essentially extras in reality, having decided to abandon their careers for this directionless project. Synecdoche, New York, single part represents the whole. on a broader level i'd say it talks to the modern American anxiety that y'all are no longer the engine room of the globe, but a bunch of narcissistic, insecure, decadent, faithless consumers at the mercy of whatever dysfunction has permeated your economy
(no offense)

that's how i see it

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80. "interesting, but I wouldn't want to see it again"
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the surrealism was "nod your head" clever throughout, but there was some kind of attachment with the characters that was missing. I preferred Adaptation and Eternal Sunshine (maybe because they were more linear...and focused).

overall, the tone about death was just mostly depressing. not that it evoked an emotion from me, but rather depressed the movie to the point watching certain scenes became an exercise in endurance.

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... now i forgot what i was going to say.



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82. "caught this not too long ago...VERY good movie..."
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and damnyo philip seymour hoffman never ceases to amaze me...dude is great.


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83. "I hated it"
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I generally go for films with non-linear plots, and increasing detachments from reality, but this was just a steaming turd as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps I'm not sophisticated enough to "get it", but to me it's just one long piece of intellectual masturbation (I should say pseudo-intellectual masturbation) gone horribly wrong. I really tried hard to get into it, and bits made me chuckle, but I've never watched a 2hr film that feels like 5. I really could not find any of the depth in it people have raved about, just moronic madness.

The only thing that really made me smile was he ultimate irony that inside the film there was a director whose total lack of budget restraints led him into a psychotic over-the-top production with no purpose, and that is exactly what the film is itself. $20,000,000 for this? It almost makes me mad enough to go on a pointless and irritating spiel about water in Africa or something.

I really should have taken the hint when I saw the most pretentious name for a film I've ever heard.

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84. "my head hurts."
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never thought i'd like a movie that feels like it's 8 hours.

a little too non-linear and all over the place for me, but it's good. i don't think i'd watch it more than once a twice more. EVER.

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85. "Just saw it on OnDemand..."
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WTF?!

Really though, WTF? I like it though, I don't know why, but I like it.

  

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86. "*hires an actor to play me watching this movie*"
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*walks into the theatre and shoots the actor before he sits down.*

seriously there were a lot of good things about this movie but it didn't payoff at the end. this is one of those movies so complex in detail, it creates a barrier from hate because no one has enough time to shoot it down the way it really needs to be. but i was pretty much done when the actors are dating and there's two actors and blah blah blah. motherfucker i see what you're doing and i don't buy it.
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