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SoulHonky
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"Changeling"
Thu Oct-30-08 09:42 PM by ZooTown74

          

Clint shows Spike how to make an Oscar trailer

http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/changeling/trailer

- Mother against the machine
- True story of someone fighting against corruption
- Some showy emotional scenes
- A little insane asylum thrown in (worked for Angie last time)
- Very, very white.

I have to say, this Oscar season wasn't very interesting at first glance but some of the recent trailers (Soloist, Milk, and this) have piqued my interest.

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Hmm . . . didn't like the trailer that much.
Sep 11th 2008
1
I guarentee she gets props for being "understated"
Sep 11th 2008
5
i was hoping it'd say "A Clint Eastwood Joint"
Sep 11th 2008
2
LOL @ Clint 'taking Spike's shit'
Nov 03rd 2008
30
Meh trailer. Awful title. Changeling sounds like a B horror flick.
Sep 11th 2008
3
Yeah, the title and original synopsis were why I had such low expectatio...
Sep 11th 2008
4
actually IT IS
Oct 31st 2008
22
LMAO!!! that shit looked stupid...she can still feel her missing son, eh...
Sep 12th 2008
6
141 minutes? Nevermind.
Oct 23rd 2008
7
It's getting bad reviews.
Oct 23rd 2008
8
*meryl streep as "miranda priestley" catastrophe face*
Oct 23rd 2008
9
Warner Brothers is moving up Clint's other movie to a December release
Oct 23rd 2008
10
Nevermind again
Oct 24th 2008
12
Nope. The "GOAT" gave it 3 and half. THAT'S BETTER THAN ST. ANNA!
Oct 24th 2008
15
      The GOAT loves Jolie flicks. *shrug*
Oct 24th 2008
16
      Maybe he just gives her a "fair shot" like he does with Spike
Oct 25th 2008
17
           It is reasonable, and she strikes a chord with him. I understand.
Oct 25th 2008
18
      I hold FIRM that he is the GOAT but he missed 2 in 2 weeks
Nov 03rd 2008
31
this sounds like a TAL story except it happened in Louisiana
Oct 23rd 2008
11
the movie isn't even getting that good reviews
Oct 24th 2008
13
fuck clint eastwood.
Oct 24th 2008
14
(Expletive) Clint Eastwood!
Oct 25th 2008
19
HUH????
Oct 25th 2008
20
Overwrought and overlong
Oct 30th 2008
21
i was saw the running time was 144 mins i passed
Oct 31st 2008
23
"Not Without My Daughter" '08
Oct 31st 2008
24
I think Clint's trying to inspire suicide
Oct 31st 2008
25
      for real...bring Clyde back
Nov 02nd 2008
27
After seeing it, I'm not surprised its getting so-so reviews..
Nov 01st 2008
26
what?
Nov 04th 2008
32
      that is exactly my point, man!!
Nov 04th 2008
33
They didnt have to show her crying so much
Nov 03rd 2008
28
wrong lead actress
Nov 03rd 2008
29
RE: A good film but
Dec 02nd 2008
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1. "Hmm . . . didn't like the trailer that much."
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Thu Sep-11-08 05:55 PM by ricky_BUTLER

          

In particular, with everything from the plate throwing to the kind of half-hearted tone in the reading of her lines, Jolie seems like she may have dropped the ball here. However, I will happily eat my words at a later date if necessary, and I would also take a not-so-good-performance-good-movie over a good-performance-not-so-good movie (A Mighty Heart) any day.

The score appears to have issues, too.

Anyway, I'm hoping the film's more a character study than anything, so maybe that's why the trailer, being as condensed and contrived as it as to be for commercial purposes, doesn't seem up to task.

Still, if it's critically received well, I can't imagine any other Best Original Screenplay winner than J. Michael Straczynski.

>I have to say, this Oscar season wasn't very interesting at
>first glance but some of the recent trailers (Soloist, Milk,
>and this) have piqued my interest.

Off-topic kinda, but, yeah, the Milk trailer was good. Gave me more hope for the movie than I ever thought I would have.

  

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5. "I guarentee she gets props for being "understated""
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And I agree with not really knowing where else the film can go besides being more of a character study.

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2. "i was hoping it'd say "A Clint Eastwood Joint""
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30. "LOL @ Clint 'taking Spike's shit'"
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3. "Meh trailer. Awful title. Changeling sounds like a B horror flick."
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4. "Yeah, the title and original synopsis were why I had such low expectatio..."
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Thu Sep-11-08 08:51 PM by SoulHonky

          

"A mother's prayer for her kidnapped son to return home is answered, though it doesn't take long for her to suspect the boy who comes back is not hers."

I really wondered if it was a horror film.

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22. "actually IT IS"
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George C. Scott was in a surprisingly well done, but SO B
movie level horror film called THE CHANGELING

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080516/

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6. "LMAO!!! that shit looked stupid...she can still feel her missing son, eh..."
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never heard that bit of dialouge before

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7. "141 minutes? Nevermind."
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I can't handle these two and a half hour epics about non-epic material.

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8. "It's getting bad reviews."
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9. "*meryl streep as "miranda priestley" catastrophe face*"
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10. "Warner Brothers is moving up Clint's other movie to a December release"
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Gran Torino is now coming out the 17th. Looks like they are hoping it's the Iwo Jima to Changeling's Flags of our Fathers.

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12. "Nevermind again"
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This movie looks worse than Changeling.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/grantorino/

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15. "Nope. The "GOAT" gave it 3 and half. THAT'S BETTER THAN ST. ANNA!"
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Clint's going to go over to Spike's house and wave that half star in his face.

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16. "The GOAT loves Jolie flicks. *shrug*"
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17. "Maybe he just gives her a "fair shot" like he does with Spike"
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Is his Changeling review not "reasonable"? Does Angelina Jolie not "simply strike a chord" which makes her film more relatable?

The GOAT has spoken. I see your shrug and raise you a Cmon, Changeling Better.

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18. "It is reasonable, and she strikes a chord with him. I understand."
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And that's cool by me. But I know I'm not the biggest Jolie fan (or a fan of Eastwood's recent flicks, for that matter), so I know his opinion and mine are likely to differ.

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31. "I hold FIRM that he is the GOAT but he missed 2 in 2 weeks"
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W. shouldn't have come anywhere close to getting 4 stars. For Ebert that seemed like a classic 2.5 - 3 star movie. As for the changeling, I don't think it deserved 3.5 either. Its wierd because the filming was great and the acting was good, but the story itself is what I had a problem with. The plot was so crazy that the simple "based on a true story" disclaimer could not make up for the lack of plausability.

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11. "this sounds like a TAL story except it happened in Louisiana"
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13. "the movie isn't even getting that good reviews"
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it does look that good and im not a jolie or eastwood hater. im fans of both but this doesn't look like it'll be that good of a movie imo. i cant put my finger on why.

plus the 141 minute running time seems a bit much for a "missing child" movie.

  

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14. "fuck clint eastwood."
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yeah i said it.

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19. "(Expletive) Clint Eastwood!"
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20. "HUH????"
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Yo, that new Clint flick dont even look as good as Miracle did. This is like one of Spike's best movies ever. And Clint is defently not fucking with it. Sorry Dirty Harry.

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21. "Overwrought and overlong"
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Thu Oct-30-08 10:17 PM by ZooTown74

  

          

Take a drink every time Angie says "my son"

The score was irritating, and the film could have used a good 20-25 minute trim (after turning in the first draft, J. Michael Straczynski asked Clint if he had any notes or suggestions for the next draft, and Clint said, naw, let's go shoot it as is... er...)

And the entire enterprise is RELENTLESSLY bleak... there's some rays of hope and a little bit of humor, but overall it's a depressing exercise... I kept thinking of the old Costa-Gavras movie Missing, with Jack Lemmon and Sissy Spacek... I'd say that movie was just as bleak but better acted...

However, there *is* something to be said about the way the film was shot (beautifully), and while Angie overdid the "GIMME BACK MY SON!" bit I wasn't irritated by her performance... wouldn't surprise me if she gets a nomination...

There were other strong performances as well... Malkovich was aight, but nothing special to write home about... I also liked Amy Ryan, even though she was in the movie for about 15 minutes total... I also thought Jason Butler Harner was quite effective as Northcott... as the police captain/main antagonist, Jeffrey Donovan was so hissable I was halfway expecting him to tell Angie to call him "Snidely Whiplash" and twirl his fake moustache...

Now, there's certainly an interesting story in here (Straczynski said that 95% of the plot you see on the screen is true); it's just that the whole enterprise is just so damn dour and depressing that I'm not sure that the end justifies the means...
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23. "i was saw the running time was 144 mins i passed"
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Fri Oct-31-08 12:31 PM by dunk

  

          

ill wait for the dvd or until my friend gets the screener

edit: amy ryan is an amazing actress that always has small ass parts. you'd think she'd have bigger parts after "Gone Baby Gone"

  

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24. ""Not Without My Daughter" '08"
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25. "I think Clint's trying to inspire suicide"
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Mystic River, Million Dollar Baby and now this movie. I don't think I could take another Clint Eastwood downer. I'll probably end up seeing it though.

  

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27. "for real...bring Clyde back"
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"Hi"-(c)Joker

  

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26. "After seeing it, I'm not surprised its getting so-so reviews.."
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I didn't even know that going in either..

Jolie turned in a very strong performance. A little overboard at times, but generally it was pretty raw. I wouldn't be surprised if she gets a nod. In truth, there wasn't really any bad acting by any of the cast (that I can remember). (Did anybody else think the Judge looked a hell of a lot like John McCain?)

Lets talk about Eastwood the director for a minute. Say what you will about him, but there is no doubt that he knows how to create a powerful scene. I had some problems with this movie, but I think they stemmed more from me having a hard time buying into the plot at the beginning (even if its a true story) then with any issue with the directing. I was honestly taken by surprise with the potent flashes of graphic violence, and I was struck by the image when, during the boy's first confession, there was a quick pan to the cigarette in the cops hand with a 3 inch ash, which showed you that the he was reacting to the story exactly how the viewer was.

It was certainly a movie that made me frustrated while I was watching it. My girlfriend said she was frustrated by what Jolie's character was going through, but I wasn't sure if I was frustrated by that or the fact that I kind of felt my intelligence was insulted by expecting me to buy into the plot that I found to kind of unbelievable. I'd give it a something in the "B"/"B-" range.

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32. "what?"
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> but I wasn't sure if I
>was frustrated by that or the fact that I kind of felt my
>intelligence was insulted by expecting me to buy into the plot
>that I found to kind of unbelievable.
>

you do know this was based on a true story right?


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33. "that is exactly my point, man!!"
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The simple "based on a true story" disclaimer at the start of the film is supposed to make me suspend my disbelieve to crazy levels? And "based" on a true story means just that. "based". Its not a documentary. In real life, the fake child came out and admitted he was lying after a week, and THAT is what released the mother from the psycho ward. In real life, the killer's mother testified to killing Walter Collins, was herself convicted, and later tried to recant.

In real life, the OJ Simpson-sized story was the murder of the 20 kids, not the story of Ms Collins. Eastwood chose to make that the subject of the film, so he had to fictionalize her story. I thought choices, actions, and reactions of Jolie's character to be totally unbelievable, and borderline absurd. Jolie and Eastwood did the best they could with a whack script.

And since when does putting "based on a true story" at the beginning of a movie change the rules? The plot doesn't have to make sense as long as there is a 5 word phrase on the screen at the beginning of the movie? And sometimes that technique is used as creative device. Think Fargo and Blair Witch Project, two movies that used that claim falsely on purpose to elicit a different response from the audience than they would have gotten otherwise.

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28. "They didnt have to show her crying so much"
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29. "wrong lead actress"
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she was terrible

the movie had potential, it was killed mainly by the lead actress.

didn't help that the story was all over the place towards the end.

had potential, they failed to execute it.

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34. "RE: A good film but"
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not really Oscar worthy. This film IMO is more about the manipulation done by the media and criminals than a mother's grief over her missing child. Jolie does a fine job and to be honest this film might not have been as watchable without her in the lead.
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