People had made it out to be the weakest of them all, which might be true...but it's waaaaay better than most said it was. I hadn't seen it since I rented them a long time ago (maybe a year before Season 6 premiered). I just rewatched and a lot of shit happened, and it was good.

Side note: I seriously dislike all the dream episodes. There was only one in Season 5, but goddamn...they're awful. I "get" them; they're just boring.

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I thought Season 5 was amazing; definitely the best episode closings of the entire series

I remember people being most critical of Season 4 and 6

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Maybe it was just me avoiding posts because I hadn't seen the show till Season 5 wrapped. But I thought people were critical of 4 and 5. Season 6; sure...but Season 6B was almost completely lauded I thought.

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How would you rank them? Cause I guess after having seen all the seasons twice...it'd go...

2
3
1
6B
5
4
6A

Something like that...maybe a few switched up.

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Honestly, 4 and 5 felt pretty fucking aimless to me up until the Adriana shit which was, of course, fucking great.

main reason (but not the only one) being "irregular around the margins"

that whole episode seemed out of place and by the next episode things back to being 'kinda ok'? foh...

i liked the dream episode, btw.

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of that season
good acting, good drama, good foreshadowing
hell even the title was mad appropriate
why'd you think it was out of place?

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the whole scene with Adriana and tony meeting eyes after darts and some coke, felt forced and it came out of no where, so much so i had trouble believing it.


BUT what really irks me, is from the whole scene with Crissy shooting up tonys car (even tho the tires were taken out, they managed to drive it off to the field) and to the scene where he then later accepts that the doctor is correct and kinda shrugs it off (even after all the shit he just did?)

i did really like how Carm reacted when she saw tony tho.

by the next episode, everything seemed to be back to normal with tony. i felt they could have played that anger/distrust even more right after.

this ep. just seemed weird


EDIT: i do agree with you tho, the title did make sense.

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with all the couples going to dinner and pretending everything is fine. it really highlighted the whole fakeness of their lives.

i didn't like that episode much the first time i saw it either but it grew on me. the whole thing how adriana was looking at tony as a father figure came off forced.

>...it really highlighted the whole fakeness
>of their lives.

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Did 5 have Christopher's intervention and Ralphie's death or was that 4? I remember loving those episodes but not liking the season much up til that point.

I wouldn't say any of the seasons are bad, just some are obviously quite a bit weaker than others because the others are so good.

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It was Season 6A that's the red-headed step child that should be flogged unmercifully.

And Season 4, while having major deficiancies in the story line department, is bouyed by the stellar acting of the lead performers at the very top of their game.

Are we comparing them just to each other, or to other shows?

Even the worst Sopranos episodes shit on most other shows.

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at least the second half.
i thought the only weak eps were "in camelot" and "unidentified black males"
and even those weren't that bad.

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>"unidentified black males"

that's top ten material right there

tony's breakthrough w/ melfi
carmella crying at the end watching him in the pool while meadow tells her she's getting married
i guess the vito sucking dick thing was what soured it for me

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as already mentioned above, the first half of six is easily the weakest.

season four is un-even. i didn't really like the whole carm/furio thing, and that Christopher ep was out of place, but there's some great stuff in there as well. Everybody Hurts is one of the best Sopranos eps ever.

>as already mentioned above, the first half of six is easily
>the weakest.
>
>season four is un-even. i didn't really like the whole
>carm/furio thing, and that Christopher ep was out of place,
>but there's some great stuff in there as well. Everybody Hurts
>is one of the best Sopranos eps ever.

Buscemi alone made season 5 great.
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>as already mentioned above, the first half of six is easily
>the weakest.

I liked the first eiposde of the season, the Kevin Finnerty stuff (which is odd, because I HATE "Test Dream"), the episode with Johnny Sach's daughter's wedding, and the Artie episode. I admit the Johnny Cakes stuff was fucking awful though.

>season four is un-even. i didn't really like the whole
>carm/furio thing, and that Christopher ep was out of place,
>but there's some great stuff in there as well. Everybody Hurts
>is one of the best Sopranos eps ever.

Which on is "Everybody Hurts" again?

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>and the Artie episode.

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it's enjoyable as kind of a stand alone thing (kinda like the Christopher episode), and kinda interesting seeing them try and branch out, but they really could've done without the whole thing. Chris tried the hollywood thing in season two, and failed. they should've just left it at that.

moment of the series for me.

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still, i think they could've done without the whole thing.

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I felt vindicated in my abject dismissal of Season 6A when I read that David Chase interview that posted here in which he touched on the ending of the season and addressed crictisms of the whole last season. I felt vinbdicated in that he basically admitted that extending the season over that many episodes was an error, or at least they erred by not having enough story to cover that many episodes. That's why you had the whole Johnny Cakes storyline lasting as long as it did and why THE FUCK was Hal Holbrook anywhere near the set? But what I don't get is why focus so much time on Vito's story which was played as a (wink, wink) nod during the Kevin Finnerty stuff and then seemingly dominated the show for a few episodes, when you had great stuff to deal with in Pontecorvo, Ray Curto, and Carlo all being snitches but all that was delat with in one episode, maybe two. (one for EP & RC, and perHAPS 2 for CG). There was great set-up, and one episode of fantastic exploration, of the Soprano kids growing up and joining in the self-delusion but before that you had episode after episode of AJ being unwatchable.

My biggest problem with Season 6, on the whole, is just how much David Chase & CO. turned on the fans, and the characters, and just made everyone unfathomably loathesome. They wrote like they now detested the idea of the show being popular. It left the realm of probability. The storylines got dark for no other reason than being dark. I said, dark...not deep. I absolutely HATED what they did with Vito Jr. There was nothing interesting or relevant at all. Silvio's run at the #1 spot made ZERO sense both in the real mafia world and in the Soprano's world where Sil was T's ace numero uno. And Bobby Bacala cried and pled for his life from kids!! This is a couple episodes after he willfully and eagerly beats up his boss, a man he knows would murder him with a smile onhis face.

I got so much shit for saying this it felt watered down, especially the Johnny Cakes stuff.

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it's the only season i don't have on dvd

> and why THE FUCK was
>Hal Holbrook anywhere near the set?

i didn't mind Hal as much as the whole rapper story with Bobby, and Treach. Sopranos always stumbled when they wrote for black thug types. it's like they were on some Hollywood Shuffle shit

is the episode where Tony finds out about Gloria Trillo's suicide. It's also the episode where Artie gets ganked by that French guy (Artie practicing in the mirror was beyond classic), then tries to kill himself. Also where AJ has the rich girlfriend and didn't realize just how rich she was. Ends on the line "Howcome your dad doesn't have all that Corleone money"

i didn't mind the Kevin Finnerty stuff either. it was mostly the Johnny Cakes disaster, the filmmaking stuff, vito's kid (though the "puerto rican whore" line was hilarious), paulie and the carnival. just way too all over the place.

Edit: and i agree on the Johnny Sack's daughter's wedding ep. probably my favorite of the season.

>as already mentioned above, the first half of six is easily
>the weakest.
>
>season four is un-even. i didn't really like the whole
>carm/furio thing, and that Christopher ep was out of place,
>but there's some great stuff in there as well. Everybody Hurts
>is one of the best Sopranos eps ever.

I think the Christopher episode was great especially Tony's rant at the end.

It took me several viewings to really enjoy Season 4.

THe furio/carmela storyline was the worst thing they've done. The shit was corny.

and one of the only episodes (maybe the only one) that felt preachy.

>THe furio/carmela storyline was the worst thing they've done.
>The shit was corny.

don't think it was as bad as the johnnycakes thing but i absolutely hated how they cut furio's balls off. plus i didn't buy why carm would want furio (outside of physical reasons), and how it came out of nowhere. the wallpaper guy made more sense.

>and one of the only episodes (maybe the only one) that felt
>preachy.
>
>>THe furio/carmela storyline was the worst thing they've
>done.
>>The shit was corny.
>
>don't think it was as bad as the johnnycakes thing but i
>absolutely hated how they cut furio's balls off. plus i didn't
>buy why carm would want furio (outside of physical reasons),
>and how it came out of nowhere. the wallpaper guy made more
>sense.

I didn't mind the johnny cakes storyline. I thought that it was further evidence of how small minded those guys are. However, I was fully expecting Vito to jump in to river while he was watching the waterfall. That would've felt right. The show had become more overtly storyline driven by season 5.

>I didn't mind the johnny cakes storyline. I thought that it
>was further evidence of how small minded those guys are.
>However, I was fully expecting Vito to jump in to river while
>he was watching the waterfall. That would've felt right. The
>show had become more overtly storyline driven by season 5.

the whole biker picnic thing is probably the corniest thing the show has ever done.

even phil popping out of the closet to kill vito came off a little too obvious in terms of symbolism.

but lol @ vito's explanation to tony: "i'm not a fag, it's the medication i'm taking."

>even phil popping out of the closet to kill vito came off a
>little too obvious in terms of symbolism.

rat in The Departed moment by Chase

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As of season 4 there was a lot less variety with the writers. I've described it as a lot more claustrophobic in other post about the Sopranos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Sopranos_episodes#Season_1:_1999

I also remember reading that the first half of season 4 had to be rewritten b/c of 9/11 and b/c Tony Sirico had some health issues.

Been rewatching the season over the past week and a half.

Gandolfini's acting in his therapy session in which he admits to having a panic attack on the night of the heist is one of his finest moments of the series. Fuckin' amazing.